#pvp
candid condor
candid condor
Are you trolling, or
worthy crag
Because if they are not an idiot, then there must be something Im missing right
and I give everyone the benefit of the doubt by assuming that they are capable of reason and logic
so i must be missing something
candid condor
I mean, if you cant make a point without insulting everyones intelligence, maybe its about time you stop talking.
worthy crag
Hey man i'm the one that's been called an assortment of things
I think I might as well be a transformer at this point
Funnily enough
I've also been called a hunter main
or something
Or they could be spending the time spelling out how longer subterfuge is "more" access to stealth
in the way I described in the example
cuz for the life of me Im not seeing it
silent sleet
What you describe isn't less access to stealth you describe how you have less flexibilty in how you use stealth
candid condor
I cant 
worthy crag
You know what, thats actually the most valid point anyone has brought up so far
But
It may not be less access, but it's fewer access
you see the difference here
wintry dew
(cat feral main confirmed)
sick wasp
(cat feral main confirmed)
ferocious bite discord edition 😅
worthy crag
if there's a door and I have a key thats only usable once per day and once I enter I'm there for the workday
wintry dew
((Koffing is really a feral main))
worthy crag
then I have fewer access, right
but if someone has a master key that's good for multiple uses and uses it to gain entry to spend the workday with me
you would say they have more access, no?
I wouldn't have any less of an access than them, but definitely fewer
candid condor
This is dumb.
worthy crag
less usually translates to duration or length, fewer is usually numerical
Yeah Im pretty used to dissecting things to small details
candid condor
Its time you stop.
worthy crag
So like
Im assuming that just didn't register
like you fail to see the difference in the two
candid condor
Typing more is not stopping.
worthy crag
Im just spelling things out waiting to see if anyone can teach me how they are the same and not different
I mean people would flip their shit out if vanish is reduced to 1 charge and subterfuge is increased to 12 seconds to compensate
Either that or you'd have to be so dumb to actually think they are "the same"
candid condor
You are playing a semantics game where even if everyone tells you you are wrong, you arent listening, changing up details or making further examples, while also riling up those that dont see it your way. If you cant make others see it "your way" without insulting them, Ill be timing you out. Have a nice day.
worthy crag
You are playing a semantics game where even if everyone tells you you are wrong,...
Telling me I'm wrong on the basis that I've been playing hunter on prepatch(???), on the basis of getting more globals to press garrote (on a sub), yeah. Excuse me if I don't take those opinions to convince me I'm wrong.
candid condor
Royal, stop 
wintry dew
worthy crag
I was almost expecting you to say you can press garrote during subterfuge
Im disappointed
and the idiot who called me a hunter is still ghosting, cute
candid condor
Caught one.
jolly sierra
ppl this month is way too aggresive than usual
wintry dew
Yeah, idk, maybe a bad month
surreal barn
🤷♂️
wintry dew
What matter is that we chilling and enjoying summer
jolly sierra
*winter here
surreal barn
What matter is that we chilling and enjoying summer
potent pivot
What matter is that we chilling and enjoying summer
wintry dew
*winter here
Actually I wish it was winter too
jolly sierra
Actually I wish it was winter too
winter here is colder than usual
but feels fine overall
potent pivot
i envy you rn
jolly sierra
i can walk with leather jackets on the street without feeling im sweating
potent pivot
how cold is it atm
jolly sierra
rn is the afternoon and is very tempered with 16 celsius
night turns into like 8-4 celsius
starting from like 10 PM
and they announced weater with negative amounts
even for like -4 as min
jolly sierra
fuck u are burning alive
yeah summer was like that here
when i need to go to the capital felt that shit
went to a friend house to sleep and needed to hide in fkn shadows to try to avoid the excessive heat
potent pivot
sick wasp
fuck u are burning alive
its 36 here
well now its lower coz its getting dark but until august the 15nth its gonna be 36-37 constantly
spring bough
since we got a kidney nerf how much for us to buy a cyclone nerf for those boomies lol
spring bough
holy shit. never had this happen in a solo match
gripped this holy pal to the ret and we aoe killed both at the same time
2 KBs off one round LMAO
indigo hill
Outlaw really could use a massive buff.
potent pivot
why?
outlaw is looking good on beta
the only reason it's not doing well on live is because prepatch and armor values
indigo hill
Which is what i am currently playing.
Beta doesn't do much for me.
They can do a massive buff for 2 weeks. I'm sure they can put an intern on it.
potent pivot
they don't really tune around prepatch
indigo hill
I know but a man can dream.
potent pivot
i feel like they've got more pressing matters to attend to
like fixing bugs for tww launch
just a couple weeks homie
once we hit lvl 80 things will be better
yeah i don't have beta and have just been leveling alts n shit
jolly sierra
its 36 here
god dammit tbh i wish to have some nice cold for a long time but this world is fucked up
potent pivot
this is like the biggest reason i quit raiding man
i don't mind the raid time commitment at all if i don't have to grind fucking keys
yep
and grinding for trinkets n shit is so ass
i get some people enjoy grinding a dungeon 50+ times
i am not those people
for literally .5% dps increase
cba
sick wasp
god dammit tbh i wish to have some nice cold for a long time but this world is f...
totally with u fam
yup tomorrow 37
jolly sierra
if would depend of me
i would rather live in a snowy country
so i can feel fresh almost all time
do it feel nice?
jolly sierra
welp
steel scarab
@gusty hedge what is this horror
wintry dew
<@293244833521336321> what is this horror
part of a machinima
lethal roostBOT
Rogue WA's:
https://wago.io/weakauras/classes/rogue (Wago Rogue)
wintry dew
<@293244833521336321> what is this horror
not related but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qw-ckqchB4
potent pivot
what wa group do you guys like to use? the one i'm using a bit too clunky
most pvpers don't really use wa groups at all
signal raven
most pvpers don't really use wa groups at all
how do you know when your cds are off? stare at your bars?
potent pivot
how do you know when your cds are off? stare at your bars?
look at bars yeh
you can also use specific WAs for like certain abilities
like dance charges etc
i can't think of a single competitive pvper that uses a WA hud
signal raven
interdasting
potent pivot
interdasting
yeh, in pvp your situational awareness is really important. i think that's why most don't use them.
it's not as telegraphed as pve, good visability goes a long way
and nowadays you already need so many other addons in pvp that show more improtant things than your CDs
if you're too focused on a big central WA hud you're not paying enough attention to the things going on in the match
CC DRs, enemy CDs, etc
proven field
outer sky
if you're too focused on a big central WA hud you're not paying enough attention...
idk hasn't been a hinderance for me.
potent pivot
idk hasn't been a hinderance for me.
i think for most people it is, i'm just going off what all the r1s/majority of people do ya know what i mean
spring bough
do it feel nice?
can finally call myself Champion in game XD
jolly sierra
can finally call myself Champion in game XD
GOSH I WANNA THAT TITLE
spring bough
10-2 on solo BGs today
ripping it lol
i played against Venruki about 3 times today and those are all Ws
spring bough
he was popping off on his mage deleting people lol
steel scarab
not related but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qw-ckqchB4
That was incredible. Also, as a pvp player, I legit loled at the bubble + wings
jolly sierra
he was popping off on his mage deleting people lol
he is main mage, makes sense
but w evoker he went trolled hard i recall
spring bough
think ima keep pushing for more titles tonight lol
LT general is next and that ones a good one
outer sky
i think for most people it is, i'm just going off what all the r1s/majority of p...
I mostly use mine as assass as a bleed tracker
spring bough
GOSH I WANNA THAT TITLE
2032 already, this is quick lol. you should chase the General title before season starts XD
jolly sierra
2032 already, this is quick lol. you should chase the General title before seaso...
XDDD
maybe ill rest for now
jolly sierra
Farmin' em
u should link ur build for day 0, before xp starts
jolly sierra
maybe ill rest for now
played fkn yugioh for like 3 days in a row in steam to get a season prize
outer sky
Right now im actually playing this
Sanguine strat may be trolling idk yet
heres my breakdown
lucid citrus
SBS does so little
outer sky
it was 6% of my damage total
tawdry imp
I fucking hate this vanish change
outer sky
thats not bad for a passive
plus it buffs all your other bleads by 2% with lethal dose
and gives you a lot of combo points
jolly sierra
Right now im actually playing this
looks very consistent
outer sky
looks very consistent
oh it is. Problem with it is that since we have basically 0 burst damage, once you run out of ways to get into stealth your pressure lets up substantially
jolly sierra
oh it is. Problem with it is that since we have basically 0 burst damage, once y...
sounds like aff gameplay
outer sky
ironically aff is actually better than assa for finishing a kill
they have a haunt combo that can do like 2.5m damage all at once
outer sky
As you can see, your damage with this build doesn't discriminate
jolly sierra
BTW changing topic, ended selling my snake-eyes cards now cuz a regional is close and arent vital for fire king deck (im running them w tri-brigade) ppl went crazy trying to buy them
pretty spreaded
tawdry imp
how in the fuck am I meant to fight an unholy DK
outer sky
The reason why that one evoker is way lower than everyone else is because he was 0-5 and rage quit in the last game so I killed him while he was offline
jolly sierra
how in the fuck am I meant to fight an unholy DK
disarm at burst and 40% HP
jolly sierra
The reason why that one evoker is way lower than everyone else is because he was...
xd
outer sky
disarm at burst and 40% HP
disarm doesnt really stop UDK damage
they just coil through it
jolly sierra
disarm doesnt really stop UDK damage
it does w healing
tawdry imp
I just get gripped in, that thing where you're stuck there, taking mad damage, can't cloak vanish because the dots instantly pull you back out
outer sky
yeah it stops their death strike heal
jolly sierra
I just get gripped in, that thing where you're stuck there, taking mad damage, c...
the arms?
tawdry imp
yeah I think that's the one
jolly sierra
if u wanna fight them try using evasion in empower runeblade
and disarm it, they will coil ye but is better than having a very obnoxious burst over u
if u are going assa u have an easier time against them cuz ur pressure will be bigger
is just burst on them and use crimson tempest
when they apocalypse
dks has a very bad time against assa rogues
tawdry imp
are you not dying with evasion up anyway given all the dots?
jolly sierra
depends in the healer lol
jolly sierra
how was MMR?
outer sky
yeah
jolly sierra
that is the reason i rlly hate how rating works in shuffle
it punishes more than reward
outer sky
its worse on beta than retail
on retail I never once won 4 or more games and got 0 points
its happened many times on beta
jolly sierra
damn
vestal cape
how in the fuck am I meant to fight an unholy DK
So unholy dks actually still need to melee quite a bit to get their damage out in their cds; they have to use festering strike to build festering wounds which they pop with dead coil and that’s when you see the big chunky death coil hits since it pops 3 of them; then they have to use scourge strike to get a buff that makes their dots tick 100% faster;
so if you see a dk go into their unholy frenzy and apocalypse burst without already having those prepped; you can evasion/disarm to relieve a massive amount of pressure. The only thing in their kit that still applies festering wounds outside of their festering strike is abomination but not as fast a FSing someone
spring bough
So unholy dks actually still need to melee quite a bit to get their damage out i...
if you're also like sub 30% with 4+ festering wound stacks and they have apocalypse up, i would probably cloak because if the DK presses apoc it is most likely a KB
vestal cape
Yeah 100%
They have a pretty high execute threshold if they have festering on you; some dks will stack 6 festering and have 2 procs built up of sudden doom death coil and just murder you in 2 globals
It’s mainly just a prepatch overtuned issue but it helps to know where their damage comes from
potent pivot
I mostly use mine as assass as a bleed tracker
yeah ik, i think plates are bis for that personally. with the right addon ofc 
outer sky
yeah ik, i think plates are bis for that personally. with the right addon ofc <:...
do they show pandemic windows?
potent pivot
do they show pandemic windows?
you can make them highlight on pandemic with most addons yeh
i'm not sure about betterblizzplates because i haven't tried it just yet
but i know plater has the function and i'm pretty sure kui nameplates does too?
level boosts are only 80k gold man
i might just get a bunch of shit leveled afk
outer sky
what talents are we playing as sub on beta rn?
potent pivot
what talents are we playing as sub on beta rn?
CUQA27SZpS4XnmFfcXRqkppuwDAMDAAAAAAY2mZmlpB2MGGjxMzMzMzMmtZZGjlthZYmxYMzyYAAAAYGGsYWmxsNDjFGWmZbajWmFGD
that's what kalvs been playing
outer sky
that's what kalvs been playing
Interesting. No CB for sectec
@potent pivot do we press sepsis during our burst or wait until after our CDs/Stun Lock is over?
potent pivot
sec gaming
potent pivot
<@629463378250956810> do we press sepsis during our burst or wait until after ou...
situational
"if you can press sepsis without losing anything u should, its more dmg than strike"
outer sky
It's more damage but not in a burst window
Seems like something to press outside of dance or at least outside of a stun lock
potent pivot
im just tellin ya what kalv said
outer sky
Yeah but what he said is common sense
That's the problem
I'm trying to figure out what he considers "losing something"
potent pivot
most likely just if you don't have better globals? not sure
outer sky
I wonder if its worth it to play DFA
after procing lingering darkness
just feels so clunky as sub because DFA takes like a million years to actually go off
and as sub you're playing inside small burst windows and stuns
potent pivot
nahj was trying it out a little
outer sky
did he give any input?
outer sky
holy shit priests having 2 charges of fear is so aids
potent pivot
ur using the 4p ya
outer sky
because it does so little damage compared to eviscerate that pressing it during your stun lock is probably still less damage than pressing another eviscerate
yes Im using 4 set
evisc damage
outer sky
it is good
but idk how I feel about using sectec in a stun lock
but if you kidney the healer you kinda have to
dammit
there's gotta be a way to mix-max this
potent pivot
because it does so little damage compared to eviscerate that pressing it during ...
most of what i saw was honestly looking really pve
like obviously goes still matter
i just didn't see a lot of min maxing as much as i saw pve
halcyon timber
Eviscerate is solid as God intended
Secret still slams with the 2 set but its not doing silly main hero crap like it did in s1 and 2 of df. Killing spree is also solid.
outer sky
im just not sure if sec tec is more damage in a stun lock than just another evisc
halcyon timber
Depends. I really prefer hemo style trickster though always did through alpha too
outer sky
well no it doesn't depend
the % buffs are static
so is 16% extra eviscerate damage+sectec in a stun lock more damage than the difference between sectec and an unbuffed evisc
outer sky
most of what i saw was honestly looking really pve
PvE to the point where I actually have to bind Black Powder?
potent pivot
PvE to the point where I actually have to bind Black Powder?
no lolol
it's not THAT far gone
hahaha
i mean i keep powder bound
but idr why
we got all the wing thingies
think it's time to open my mail and slam 70
outer sky
Hmmmm
If you don't run tier you get 8% more mastery and 1% more vers
thats like half the set bonus
and then you never have to press sectec
I wonder if flag is worth it
yeah guys idk about this
by not pressing sectec and eviscerating instead you get a guarnteed finality proc on evisc
potent pivot
hmm
idk
all i did was throw you what kalv was playing
but he's kind of a mage main now
he was doing well with it tho tbh
i think this means i have more than enough xp to loot from mail?
yeah i had WAY too much lmfao
outer sky
ok flag damage is trash but it gives you like 60% mastery
outer sky
but you get the mastery after your go lol
potent pivot
you can press it before the actual go, but eh
i really think sectech is worth running
even if you're not pressing it in your go
have you tested any diff rotations on dummies
outer sky
yeah thats what Im doing now
potent pivot
there's a lot of combinations you can do with DM
what if you flag->go->sectech with DM stacks
outer sky
you have to do damage with flag to get the mastery though
sick wasp
lookin' good
potent pivot
lookin' good
second DH for s1 
prolly gonna level another rogue and at least 1 dk
dunno about warr/hunter yet
did the dh myself but 10-70 boosts are only 80k rn which is insane
outer sky
sub is trash wtf is this
outer sky
also wait was the build i linked you even running flag?
no I just tried it for a sec
potent pivot
sub is trash wtf is this
LOL
outer sky
idk maybe my teammates are just bad
ive been over 2400 as sub before
so i know how to play it
it tickles everyone
this is like
potent pivot
yeah sub in shuffle feels a little bit ehh no matter what
outer sky
insanely undertuned
potent pivot
not what i've been seeing idk
outer sky
I just played with the worst lock in the history of WoW
outer sky
DK was at 3% hp and I didn't have a dance so I blinded, dueled, gouged, kidneyd, and bombed the healer
and this lock couldnt kill the DK
at 3%
potent pivot
l0l
outer sky
like just log off and delete your account if youre that bad
halcyon timber
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=438600/excess-frost?spellModifier=137020
Btw this is why mages are doing ice nova frequently in tww
Dunno how “easy” it is for them to stack that but yeah that’s why melee get rooted very frequently.
Edit: says 6 attacks, so every 6 attacks granting mastery they perform a ice nova to non dr root you. Sick.
halcyon timber
like just log off and delete your account if youre that bad
I blinded a ret that I tricked into using bop on a sap as I reset and was .02s away from stealing gold mines and a hunter had 2 decisions:
A) trap and we get a 3rd base and pull ahead to win.
B) Be an absolute deedeedee and go rambo with his dinosaurs and lose the match.
He chose B. The simple chimp had neurons activate and he chose B.
outer sky
Well I just played with the worst lock in the game and now the worst mage in the game
goes 0-6 playing the ele shaman of beta
also look at my damage jfc
i pumped that lobby
Crimson Tempest ticking over over 270k
sick wasp
did the dh myself but 10-70 boosts are only 80k rn which is insane
im gonna boost a rdrood later on in pandaland tonight
ezclap
gonna test my healing kungfu
hpally experiment was successful
potent pivot
im gonna boost a rdrood later on in pandaland tonight
damn i didn't even think about healers
i actually wanna try one in tww too
either rdru or hpal most likely
rdru actually looks so easy
sick wasp
rdru actually looks so easy
its quite powerful,idk
qued some shuffles it did dmg as well
trees are overtuned
potent pivot
its quite powerful,idk
Yeah I’m pretty sure the nerf bat is on the way
It does dps levels of dmg and refunds mana with wrath or w/e shit is broken af
safe turret
How is fatebound outlaw doing? haven't payed attention to or played much beta but it seems ok
potent pivot
Yeah it’s fine
safe turret
am I just misremembering or is the current beta version of ace up your sleeve not as nerfed as it was near the end of dragonflight when they started nerfing it? honestly dont remember
thought the proc chance was lower than 5% per combo point at one point
sick wasp
can ask on the pirate channel but pretty sure they must have reverted something there
potent pivot
Not sure if there’s any pvp tuning on it either I’d have to look
I’m not super familiar with the nuance stuff of outlaw atm I haven’t played it very seriously for a couple seasons
stoic spruce
Reverted the nerf in pve only
Also fatebound is good
I can see an HO/KIR/ER build being a thing. The Ace nerf makes crackshot feel so bad imo.
outer sky
Fatebound for outlaw is really good
sick wasp
I can see an HO/KIR/ER build being a thing. The Ace nerf makes crackshot feel so...
HO makes sense
it also makes sense to find a way out to some content
coz outlaw has seen better days
outer sky
This game is actually so bad when you think about it. The evoker healer rage quit because he can't win a game even though he's healing way more than the priest just because the priest can go into angel form and be immune to everything lol
sick wasp
here https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-tuning-on-war-within-beta-for-august-7th...
hpally healing and crusader dmg nerfed but i think thats reasonable
but dont think thats hard
a nerf
gonna ask on pally discord
they did nerf HS and aura nerfed the dmg mods there
buffed hammer and judgement
gonna investigate thx
outer sky
I used to see an hpal maybe 1/4 or 1/5 lobbies
over the last 4 days I havent seen even 1
its all priests, druids, shamans, and the occational dragon
but tbh I'm glad
I hate hpally lol
all I play is melee dps
going against an hpally totally changes the game
I think sac should be a 1.5m CD and the ult sac talent should just be removed
or ult sac doubles the CD of sac
giving your teammate a bubble every minute is disgusting
I'm still holding out hope that fatal intent makes 20% an insta kill
sick wasp
apparently everyone is sleeping on pally discord
yeah paladin can cancel melee goes pretty much
heavy counter
stoic spruce
coz outlaw has seen better days
I can see it dropping crackshot and it playing with bm or unholy and just go completely rot tbh
outer sky
I think its worst as assass to face hpal than any other dps because not only do they shut down your go, but they leave you energy starved after they do it
stoic spruce
Fatebound capstone uptime will be very high
sick wasp
I think its worst as assass to face hpal than any other dps because not only do ...
ive actually had rogues completely going berserk raging into me for bop every DM they pressed
stopped on 1.8k-ish but my mmr was like 2.2-ish
outer sky
DM is kinda a trash CD i probably wouldn't recommend BoPing it off in a scripted way
sick wasp
for me healing for the first time it felt the most pressure-alleviating thing to do
i would aura swap and aura mastery and free cast holylight
healing like a king,while the rogue loses his cd
i would also AM for a rep cast just to force the trinket
or the clos
only way ik to f@k the rogue up
another thing i do is hoj his ks go
and BL the trinket
give my dps space
sick wasp
kidney shot
outer sky
ah
sick wasp
bl as in blinding light
this combo pretty much has my dps free of getting hit by the rogue
and the probability im getting an ooga booga rogue trinket is considerable
halcyon timber
Paladins are weird, they like saying they haven’t “been good since X expansion” a lot.
Those nerfs just shifted the healing profile a bit no? There’s no way they are dookie after that round.
sick wasp
honestly i think Hpally will always be strong in arena
stoic spruce
Hpal is easy to shut down at times. Hopefully it's better next expac.
"Kick hpal, win the game"
outer sky
Took care of em this round
sick wasp
"Kick hpal, win the game"
hpally doesnt rly cast though
stoic spruce
Not a lot no
sick wasp
the only way an hpally cast is when there is AM
stoic spruce
But it just takes one
sick wasp
so he's immune anyway
outer sky
lmfao that was a fun lobby
outer sky
sick wasp
conc aura reduces interrupt lockdowns by 35%
stoic spruce
Evidently it doesn't help because they're the easiest healer to lock down atm
sick wasp
its not all heals but there is alot of burst heal that comes from ''combo points''
the holy power
and WG
sick wasp
it compensates with having all shorts of active and passive dmg mitigation
dusk is 8% 10% from glimmer,12% from aura
shields/denounce/concentration
merciful auras
its alot of stuff going on
most paladins dont even understand how dusk works
not to mention the armor boost
which is ridiculously high
sick wasp
i think if anything holypower boosts it for real
imagine not having instant wog
and cast flash
now it can just run around throwing heals
out of nowhere
it shocks/casts a flash in half a second/prism into wog
thats a 3mil burst
no mana needed
halcyon timber
They have a good bit of hots in the herald tree no?
sick wasp
ye a bit but not that storng
stoic spruce
Storng
sick wasp
herald dmg is kinky
halcyon timber
Better than nothing
sick wasp
yeah true
sick wasp
come at me baby
halcyon timber
Unlike broccoli druid form smoking tf out of people with instant wrath and healing
sick wasp
rdrood is quite overtuned ye
trees heal and dmg and stuff
but in all i think rdrood is hard to heal
alot harder than hpally
halcyon timber
Druids “what do you mean?”
stoic spruce
Photo realistic dh
sick wasp
😂
halcyon timber
they afk heal a lot while popping a landshark behind a pillar
sick wasp
my mfkin priest is brain afking
sick wasp
ye its irritating
spell
no cd swaps it everywhere
a kinky tip vs surv hunters
(clone the pet)
outer sky
I mean tbf stopping clones isn't as easy as healers make it out to be
stoic spruce
I love watching healers play below the rating they should be because they're juking a cast on somebody that doesn't even have kick bound.
Idk how auto correct swapped above and below
halcyon timber
Almost got me - druid
sick wasp
I mean tbf stopping clones isn't as easy as healers make it out to be
im gonna spec into unbound freedom and big sac and big dispell if u garrote that mfker to treat u like a king
stoic spruce
Brother all my CCs are on CD
Teammate gotta pitch in just a little
God please just one
sick wasp
was this warrior on voice the other day he was saying ''im one win away from duelist'' plz spec big dispell and hof me
i did
the man did twice the dmg everyone else did
u know when someome is going kingkong mode and follow that as a simp healer
outer sky
And then he realized it's off season and he can't get duelist
stoic spruce
u know when someome is going kingkong mode and follow that as a simp healer
Me
Except I funnel
Sometimes
Maybe I should play warr
sick wasp
Maybe I should play warr
im gonna try glad next season on my paladin,the 1st healing experience ive ever had was a success
ive invested a considerable amount of time to learn the spec,im not fooling around
stoic spruce
Well
I am
Gonna play Black Ops 6 until the end of season 1 to let all that inflation set in and then get my name in the top 10 outlaws because no one is playing B)
The spec I mean
Unless the multi-player in Bo6 is really good
Top 50 is good
outer sky
saw that guy go 6-0 earlier <:kekw:610125925413289985>
I went 5-1
Don't remember what the DK went
I think 3-3
spring bough
playing against a mistweaver. every single time i hit interrupt this dude would stop casting a nano second before it went off.... tried atleast 20 or so in this WSG. is there a bot out there that can stop some1 casting? it was so ridiculous. he was doing it on everyones interrupts this guy was FC lol
potent pivot
i'm honestly not sure, i don't want to rule it out as impossible but something like that would be really hard to make like
by the time they can register kick being pressed it should go off even before a script can do anything?
surreal barn
playing against a mistweaver. every single time i hit interrupt this dude would ...
Might be press and hold channel casting
A friend told me he dodges so many interruptions playing with that on
blissful osprey
Maybe he is baiting with mana tea or something
atomic adder
Anyone playing another race other than NE? Feel like I’m just not competent without meld, but also really interested in the knock from kultiran for BG blitz (even though they look horrid)
narrow brook
Spells (1)
Kidney Shot Finishing move that stuns the target.
Cooldown changed from 20 sec cooldown to 30 sec cooldown
Duration changed from 1 sec to 0 ms
WTF?
gusty hedge
Anyone playing another race other than NE? Feel like I’m just not competent with...
nelf feels good with speed/meld overall
spring bough
Might be press and hold channel casting
he was doing it with soothing mist every single time. could be the press and hold would make sense with that. so wild how he anticipated 99.9% of interrupts lol
spring bough
Anyone playing another race other than NE? Feel like I’m just not competent with...
used to do blood elf. never hit elite. swapped to night elf. hit elite. never going back to another race for rogue lol
surreal barn
Meld essentially giving you access to stealth and empowered garrotes every 1 minute is kinda big
Assuming you time your vanishes right
atomic adder
Ugh yeah I guess stuck with Nelf
inland thorn
Anyone got a plater profile for pvp
I lose to demo simply because I can't see shit
same for shaman how many fucking totems do they have
spring bough
Anyone got a plater profile for pvp
try betterblizzplates. i replaced platter with it. like it a whole hell of a lot better and you can filter out pets from nameplates
i was using MES for plater that is a pretty good one too
indigo hill
So many blitz loses lost about 100 rating.
plucky escarp
he was doing it with soothing mist every single time. could be the press and hol...
I was playing against this DH that would glimpse my kidney constantly. I played him a few games in a row and I was convinced he was cheating. Then my mate linked me his stream (mvqdh - i didn’t know who he was) and he was just really, really good. Some people are really good and sometimes normal people have good games
alpine patio
guys how is rogue looking in pvp for World War I ?
wintry dew
No one knows until further tuning
and there's a lot of tuning left to do until TWW launches
alpine patio
i see. Is gameplay changed a lot for Assa since the change on dance>?
lime oar
What’s an avg health pool on beta?
wintry dew
i see. Is gameplay changed a lot for Assa since the change on dance>?
We lost dance, but we gained a 2nd vanish charge, it isnt exactly the same, but its probably better overall
wanton sorrel
Evening guys. What spec we think gonna blast in PvP in TWW?
pale storm
lost a dance but also gained longer subterfuge and 2nd vanish, so pretty solid as nelf imo
alpine patio
i hope not much will change on Sub rotation. havent read much yet on changes but a man can hope
wintry dew
back to legion numbers
atomic adder
i hope not much will change on Sub rotation. havent read much yet on changes but...
Sub still has a lot of control and now even “more” by proxy since other specs lost dance. At least sub will be impacted the least by the kidney cooldown increase because it will be easier for them to use cheaps. Sun damage feels a bit low to me in beta but it’s not unmanageable
outer sky
kidney syncing with symbols is actualluy kinda nice ngl lol
halcyon timber
i hope not much will change on Sub rotation. havent read much yet on changes but...
Its solid, customizable and such. No big deal. All 3 rogues can pop stuff pretty good.
outer sky
Meld essentially giving you access to stealth and empowered garrotes every 1 min...
meld is 2m 😦
surreal barn
Yeah - but by alternating vanishes one is available every minute
halcyon timber
Yeh so they nerfed vanish instead of shadowmeld. Makes sense . Joking aside, who knows why but it’s whatever now. We adapt and move on.
sinful ingot
Does the 2500 conq quest award all weapons?
or just one set?
or just one mainhand?
Anyone know yet?
jolly sierra
2500 conq quest?
vestal cape
It awards one set I believe then the ability to buy additional weapons for different specs; may be wrong though but that’s how I interpreted it in the post regarding it
vestal cape
2500 conq quest?
Yeah in TWW on week 3 of season we’ll get a quest to get our weapons, but we won’t have to spend any conquest for them, just earn a specific amount
jolly sierra
Yeah in TWW on week 3 of season we’ll get a quest to get our weapons, but we won...
whoa
so weps arent sold by npcs anymore?
swift smelt
so weps arent sold by npcs anymore?
theyy are but first is free
jolly sierra
aah i see
spring bough
Yeah in TWW on week 3 of season we’ll get a quest to get our weapons, but we won...
so go tier pieces first cause weps are free sounds LEGIT
im guessing catalyst open week one again too? lol
outer sky
Ideally you're going to want to get full crafted gear besides tier set
Unless you play assa in which case you only want 2 set
4 set is a dps loss
And you only even want 2 set if you play kingsbane
If not just use the tier legs for the stats
This is all assuming the stat values on gear end up being the same on live as on beta right now btw
stoic spruce
kidney syncing with symbols is actualluy kinda nice ngl lol
Yeah kidney syncs with a lot of CDs now. I like it.
jolly sierra
so can we confirm we arent using 4set for s1?
potent pivot
MH wep is the biggest upgrade you can do so getting weps late is weird
potent pivot
so can we confirm we arent using 4set for s1?
not until after season starts
if we get these again
and the stats on conq gear is the same after launch
then prolly a lot of crafted shit ye
now two of my naga buttons aren't working
wtf 
vestal cape
MH wep is the biggest upgrade you can do so getting weps late is weird
Yeah but with everyone getting them same week I’m fine with it; won’t be any BS like someone rolling weapon first vault and just dumping on other players without it like the past 10 seasons
spring bough
who is this Camel guy and why does every single person know him when he is in rated bgs lol
all i keep hearing is "he ran SL rbgs" lol. guy must be a legend. 2k honor level
potent pivot
Yeah but with everyone getting them same week I’m fine with it; won’t be any BS ...
yeah don't get me wrong i'm pretty optimistic with the changes overall
just going to feel weird wanting to buy a wep first week and waiting
potent pivot
all i keep hearing is "he ran SL rbgs" lol. guy must be a legend. 2k honor level
there's a few people that used to run rbg's throughout the past, would create communites etc
they'd just run rgb groups all day everyday for the most part
spring bough
im trying to figure out how long it would take to get 2250 honor level lol
thats gonna be like 10 hours a day for like 2 years lol
surreal barn
It use to be a whole lot faster
When it came out you had people blowing through the levels
spring bough
i love rated BG chat, "whats the strat for EOS" says healer and we go "DR / FR then get flag once we get bases" brother says "got it" then this healer goes straight to mid for flag we lose both bases then he loses flag
GG game lost we got 0 points LMAO
potent pivot
GG game lost we got 0 points LMAO
solo q, gotta take the bad with the good
q times still looking dece?
spring bough
about 5-6 minutes so far still
potent pivot
not bad at all for what it is
spring bough
some games last no more than 6 minutes too
i think i already got the achievements for all maps under 6 minutes lol
potent pivot
spring bough
so 10 minutes for que and game is pretty decent
unlike solo waiting 45 minutes for a 15 minute match
so in a perfect world about 6 solo bgs an hour vs maybe a couple solo shuffles
potent pivot
so in a perfect world about 6 solo bgs an hour vs maybe a couple solo shuffles
i'm curious to see how the CR works after launch
seems like a lot of people have been saying it gives CR really slowly in prepatch
muted abyss
thats gonna be like 10 hours a day for like 2 years lol
most of these dudes got it during WoD when you could grind though them super quick
spring bough
i'm curious to see how the CR works after launch
im 2150 after a week lol
it was slow but it doesnt seem too bad im not going crazy
ive played 38 games since friday
potent pivot
im 2150 after a week lol
yeah i just meant the CR per game, just curious to see if it changes at all
if most games are done faster than shuffle games then i don't think it giving lower CR per game is necessarily bad either way
spring bough
ive got a range of 7-21 points per game or so once i got up past 1400 or so
potent pivot
@outer sky yo
nahj been using dfa with deathstalker now, says it spends 2 stacks of the mark
looks pretty good so far
bomb/duel/dfa and dropping bomb into disarm match ups as far as i can tell
nvm also using thief's bargain>dfa
pretty much the same talents as kalv though, he's just using -5 sec on symbols instead of shadow focus/imp shtech
potent pivot
might not be a bug
it spends 1 stack when you go in the air, then one on the attack itself from what nahj said
so it's treating dfa itself and your evis both as finishers
basically
outer sky
I think that's a bug. DSM says "when yuu spend 5 or more combo points.....consumes a stack"
you only spent the points once
potent pivot
well here's hoping that bug sticks around
outer sky
it seems pretty insignificant. Ideally you'd want to DFA with lingering darkness for the 100% crit and 60% additional damage
so if you use DBA to proc Lingering Darkness
It wouldnt come off CD until the buff expires
potent pivot
it seems pretty insignificant. Ideally you'd want to DFA with lingering darkness...
he's not really using it as an all or nothing like that at all
outer sky
you sure he's not just using it to immune CC?
I know he likes to do cheeky stuff like that with DFA
potent pivot
ye
like i said before it looks way more pve than perfect set ups etc
but it's also just shuffle
outer sky
thief's bargain is a talent im super iffy on
It feels incredibly troll not to take bomb and duel
esp as sub
when you get the vanish CDR on them
and 2m bomb
plus you need disarm vs most melee
potent pivot
it's not as troll as you might think
outer sky
and cloak vs assa rogues and ferals
so I just have a hard time fitting it in
except against caster cleaves
potent pivot
you really don't need bomb as much as you think
outer sky
because you can cover your go every time?
potent pivot
he's mid game not running it rn if you can take a peak
potent pivot
i think bargain is only good into certain shit
outer sky
I'm not throwing shade at Nahj at all but he's like one of the most unhelpful streamers out there for as small of an audience as he has. I'll ask him a question in chat and he'll just be like "yeah idk I just kinda like it man"
I get it if you have thousands of viewers and chat is blowing up
but hes got like 140 people
like cmon let me pick your brain man
Palumor is by far the most helpful rogue streamer IMO
outer sky
you ask him a question and he will give you a fucking speech as his answer
potent pivot
i randomly found one of his YT vids in SL
before i ever even watched pvp streams period
outer sky
if there's a one shot possible for rogue Pal will figure it out
potent pivot
when i was like first getting back into pvp SL s1
says he's not playing rogue in tww
outer sky
he says that every xpac
potent pivot
outer sky
and ends up playing it
potent pivot
yeah ik
nahj been doing really well in this lobby
with dfa/duel/cloak i think
but there's no one to disarm it's all casters and a feral
he's using sepsis like first global in dance/blades i think
and then just at some point in dance (no blades)
outer sky
sepsis in dance huh
weird
he seems to play differently than a lot of people
I remember back in SL S1 when sub rogues were all one shotting everyone with the 100% crit leggo
Nahj was playing the vanosh CDR leggo
potent pivot
yeah one thing to always remember
jolly sierra
and w kyrian
potent pivot
when it comes to any of this
jolly sierra
kyrian cold blood
outer sky
he said he liked how he could double kidney
potent pivot
r1 players can get r1 with any build
outer sky
as if that was more value than 100% crit every go
I think sometimes he does stuff just to be different idk
potent pivot
people put too much value into talents and gear
your play will always determine where you end up
potent pivot
Nahj was playing the vanosh CDR leggo
i don't think he likes cheese builds
they just get his spec nerfed
a lot of the times nerfed too much or in the wrong way
outer sky
it wasn't a cheese build
just because you kill someone 100-0 doesnt mean you cheesed them
sometimes thats just the best build
potent pivot
ah you don't mean the cheese build?
outer sky
no
potent pivot
if you can 100-0 someone in a stun, with minimal commits, that's kinda cheese
outer sky
not really it's just game imbalance
potent pivot
like if you can solo someone with all your CDs in 1 kidney
outer sky
if it wins consistently and more often than other builds why would you ever not play it
potent pivot
it should realistically take you and your other dps' CDs to do that, at a minimum
potent pivot
if it wins consistently and more often than other builds why would you ever not ...
for some people it just doesn't matter lol
jolly sierra
dont u remember myk used ER when everyone was using another regular builds in s3?
r1 just pick whatever they want
maybe cuz they know they can make it work
potent pivot
you can probably put kalv/pika/nahj any of the r1 rogues on a s3 SL character with NO leggos and they will still win most games
outer sky
I'm pretty close to 100% certain that every single player I 1 shot that season would have done the same to me without hesitation if the shoe was on the other foot
outer sky
I'm just saying sometimes something is so overtuned that the only reason not to play it is to say you dont
potent pivot
i disagree
halcyon timber
Game 2 shit is dumb
potent pivot
even for me personally, any 1 shot cheese build i would play it a couple games to have a laugh
but never more than that
stoic spruce
i randomly found one of his YT vids in SL
Me with Shadenox. It didn't register he's the same guy in this disc until 10.1 dropped lol
potent pivot
assa SL one shot for example, it was really funny, but super fucking boring
outer sky
but where do you draw the line between it being cheesy and it just being the best build?
potent pivot
there's multiple ways ig
a lot of cheese builds won't actually get you very far once everyone's figured out how to counter it
jolly sierra
Me with Shadenox. It didn't register he's the same guy in this disc until 10.1 d...
XD
halcyon timber
When the devs literally tell you it is tuned within 2% and the game is way tightly tuned than we think
potent pivot
assa sepsis 1 shot for example, you're not getting r1 playing that in SL
people figured out how to counter it so at higher ratings it didn't even work
jolly sierra
XD
when i met raz for the 1st time tbh i had no idea about wtf was him till another guy told me "dude he is a r1 how tf u dont know who is him lol"
outer sky
in SL S1 a team of 3 rogues got gladiator with the crit one shot build
Pretty sure it was def r1 viable
potent pivot
SL was also before they started doing frequent tuning
stoic spruce
assa sepsis 1 shot for example, you're not getting r1 playing that in SL
Played with an hpal that season and all of a sudden my wins against assa trippled
outer sky
its just an example
potent pivot
but like i don't get the point of this discussion exactly
outer sky
I think the insinuation was thet sometimes Nahj does different things that he knows aren't ideal just because he likes to say he plays differently
potent pivot
I'm just saying sometimes something is so overtuned that the only reason not to ...
i just don't think this is true, is all i was trying say
yeh i see your point there
outer sky
and I cited him not playing the crit leggo when it was clearly broken as an example
jolly sierra
cant make an opinion too cuz idk how he acts tbh
stoic spruce
maybe cuz they know they can make it work
One day I will be so good I can just pick what build I want to play
jolly sierra
One day I will be so good I can just pick what build I want to play
u will pick a warrior with a carrot stick and use him to charge
potent pivot
can't tell ya what goes on in someone else's mind
stoic spruce
u will pick a warrior with a carrot stick and use him to charge
Most useful warrior
potent pivot
i just know my pov
outer sky
I wonder if these r1s like Pika, Nahj, Kalvish, etc could get r1 in a season where they had to LFG it and not use their bnet full of other multi-r1s
id watch that youtube series if someone did ti
it*
"multi-r1 pugging his way to r1"
potent pivot
pika just did something like that
jolly sierra
can't tell ya what goes on in someone else's mind <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
u can infer too i think
potent pivot
he pushed shuffle on every class
outer sky
pika just did something like that
I thought he was just grinding the 150 wins to be r1 eligible
potent pivot
brand new chars
potent pivot
I thought he was just grinding the 150 wins to be r1 eligible
i don't mean r1
jolly sierra
like that prick which ninjaed a caster sword in classic and bullied a guy for that
potent pivot
it was like 2.4 on shuffle on every class i think?
jolly sierra
u know he was a douchebag just for that
potent pivot
someone getting r1 with lfg is impossible
imo
you have to make connections with team mates
outer sky
well even something like
outer sky
"multi-r1 tries to get r1 without playing with any r1 friends"
potent pivot
would be cool ig
potent pivot
if a r1 played with 2 glads
jolly sierra
and dont run away w their chars
potent pivot
to get them r1 too
jolly sierra
like they did before with another accs
potent pivot
but really i think that happens a lot
new people that grind glad and want to push further, they make those connections with r1s
outer sky
the gap between glad and r1 is huge, as you know. I sometimes think there should be another achievement in between the 2. Like for top 0.5% or something
potent pivot
personally i think r1 should be a bigger percentage
outer sky
yeah I agree with that
potent pivot
solely to give motivation to new people
outer sky
like top 0.3 or 0.5%
potent pivot
because like almost all r1s know each other
potent pivot
it's hard to get in there as a newer glad
jolly sierra
what did say venruki? than competition should be healthy cuz u can have the next r1 between newcomers?
potent pivot
if r1 was like, 1% or even 2%, i think more people would feel motivated to push for it
outer sky
drawing the line between accessibility and prestigiousness is difficult
outer sky
you dont want to be half afk in Vald and see 10 people with a r1 title run by you
potent pivot
r1 being so exclusive, the entire community knows all the r1s
outer sky
yeah, pretty much
potent pivot
they really are kinda pushed up on a pedestal in most people's eyes
awc as well
i don't think you even have to be r1 to participate in awc?
you just have to have a roster and sign up or something
stoic spruce
Amazing
outer sky
3 rogues
stoic spruce
Dibs
potent pivot
3 rogues 
stoic spruce
Weirder shit has been seen
potent pivot
i don't think they even allow stacking in awc
do they?
i feel like i remember double outlaw but maybe not
outer sky
we just all play sub, stack giga mastery, and take turns alternative duels on the same person until we kill them
stoic spruce
I've never heard of that rule
stoic spruce
i feel like i remember double outlaw but maybe not
There was double outlaw in sl
potent pivot
i thought i heard that was a rule in some sort of wow comp, but maybe not
jolly sierra
ravenholdt bilge rats
outer sky
i thought i heard that was a rule in some sort of wow comp, but maybe not
I saw double shaman in AWC in SL S2
jolly sierra
and we play w no elves
potent pivot
I saw double shaman in AWC in SL S2
of the same spec?
outer sky
of the same spec?
yes
stoic spruce
Undead, Tauren, panda.
potent pivot
i swear i remember double outlaw though
stoic spruce
You do
potent pivot
yeah
outer sky
They both played that obnoxious earth ele legendary
potent pivot
liquid played double outlaw
outer sky
and just tried to overwhelm the other team
stoic spruce
Lol yeah
outer sky
what
potent pivot
yeah lmfao
outer sky
I need to learn that
stoic spruce
I swear brm is the most slept on spec
jolly sierra
feint more
stoic spruce
Relatable
jolly sierra
a friend got 2k4 in SS today he told me
potent pivot
maybe i'll play veng in shuffle next season
jolly sierra
but idk why he did that tbh if there are not reward and is off season
potent pivot
since i'm finally going to be playing a hybrid class for once
potent pivot
a friend got 2k4 in SS today he told me
they'll most likely get s1 rewards
jolly sierra
lit i got 2k1 in SL w ret and stopped cuz was off season and only reason to play till that cuz u can get look alike for other classes w upgrades
jolly sierra
isnt 1k8 enough?
i played a shuffle in off season with gain
above 2k1
idk if that will work
potent pivot
isnt 1k8 enough?
enchant is 2.1 ya?
potent pivot
didn't you get the tmog when DF season started
jolly sierra
for SL i got 2k1 w ret
potent pivot
you played shuff in off season
potent pivot
really
jolly sierra
w rog i just got the xmog at day 1
jolly sierra
and played anyways
can confirm
i got DF s1 xmog at day 1 with rogue
cuz i did an arena before that at 1k8 CR
potent pivot
it might have just been a bug because shuffle was brand new
jolly sierra
ye but isnt safe
potent pivot
idk if it has worked like that in DF s1->s2 and s2->s3 etc
jolly sierra
we would need more evidence to check that
jolly sierra
i rlly wanted that shit since long time ago
nah
can be in regular rbgs too
but u know
potent pivot
i really hope they continue that
jolly sierra
regular ones are very dead
potent pivot
like every coming season they re-introduce the old season tmogs
like TWW s1->classic s1
TWW s2->classic s2
but keep it going forever
potent pivot
the what
jolly sierra
one very heated we had here
with a pvp multi hero
cuz he wanted to keep regular rewards in their respective brackets even w gatekeeping avoiding participation
rather than let new players play solo and let them get stuff too
potent pivot
yeah i don't remember, but that's just weird
potent pivot
i think even glad mount should be open to every bracket
jolly sierra
if u wanna bring ppl
potent pivot
just make it higher rating needed
jolly sierra
let them get stuff too
potent pivot
like 2800 shuffle->glad mount
jolly sierra
that could work
but doing gatekeeping w just a little ppl is lit killing the game
and straight greedy
like that guy in olympic games which doesnt wanted to share the gold medal, challenged the other gold candidate and lose
ending w silver
potent pivot
tabard is 2.4 in any bracket ya?
jolly sierra
nono
stoic spruce
got my own at 2k4 SS
Only 2.4k?
potent pivot
ohhh
stoic spruce
Bro
stoic spruce
fair enough for me tbh if is the last point where u get rewards
Just teasing
potent pivot
for most people there isn't much reason to go further than 2.4
2.4 on one toon, 1.8 on alts etc
potent pivot
I'm still mad that I didn't play a single ss game this season
why? i didn't either 
stoic spruce
Better games were out lol