- cc on enemies
#pvp
chrome schooner
steep loom
i put pressure on my healers and just blow em both back to back if it seems like a good opportunity
lol
steep loom
you put out so many finishers if you can get a full subt window in, that by the time ur second vanish subt window is closing, its only a few seconds till that first charge comes back
chrome schooner
overexaggerating much but well
potent pivot
from what i've been seeing dispatch is doing more dam than bte on beta
chrome schooner
it would be good tbh
potent pivot
like your consistent dam is so much better than lately in DF
chrome schooner
this outlaw gameplay, even though some people may like it, isn't what I think outlaw should be
potent pivot
wdym, crackshot?
vivid pond
i think outlaw relying on stealth windows is goofy
chrome schooner
going for a more "combat" gameplay makes more sense to me
vivid pond
^
chrome schooner
ye when it was super ultra busted :p
potent pivot
but just brawling the entire time was so fun
chrome schooner
tbh they should kinda remove cdr from some spells
like vanish, sprint & hook
leave it on offensive spells
potent pivot
CDR kinda makes assa feel left behind
chrome schooner
then the spec is balanceable
potent pivot
at a core level
vivid pond
you know what else would be nice
chrome schooner
'cause with cdr on vanish + mobility outlaw is either broken because it deals good dmg or bad 'cause it kills nothing
vivid pond
if assass was supposed to be pressing envenom as much as it did in sl
chrome schooner
- yes as you said it actually impacts assa a lot
outer sky
who's "everyone"?
I mean I'm on beta and WW is doing trash damage. Not just me. The ones I queue into, too
potent pivot
who's "everyone"?
just people i've watched today, snupy, aeghis
outer sky
vivid pond
if assass was supposed to be pressing envenom as much as it did in sl
and if fan of knives didnt have to be spammed as much as it does
potent pivot
maybe they're coping on something they experienced idk
surreal barn
What I hate most about all of these changes is not being able to kidney the healer before my go lol
vivid pond
What I hate most about all of these changes is not being able to kidney the heal...
wdym?
surreal barn
I find myself having to use it on the KT
outer sky
What I hate most about all of these changes is not being able to kidney the heal...
Testing on beta and the kidney nerf is noticible but not as bad as I thought. Given that it lasts 5 seconds and the DR is 18s, it was always a 23 second CD in practice. And that's if you used it religiously right on CD which isn't a practical example. So realistically the CD may as well have been increased by about 5 seconds
vivid pond
Testing on beta and the kidney nerf is noticible but not as bad as I thought. Gi...
also shiv is 30 sec cd
i think outlaw takes the biggest L with the kidney change
surreal barn
Testing on beta and the kidney nerf is noticible but not as bad as I thought. Gi...
I agree with all of that
outer sky
also shiv is 30 sec cd
That's fine tbh, with 2 charges I don't find myself starved for a shiv when I need one
potent pivot
the coin one looks annoying to play
the coin is basically fully passive
deathstalker tree nodes do less dmg but buff your bleeds/envenom
but coin does pretty big dam from what i've seen
outer sky
deathstalker tree nodes do less dmg but buff your bleeds/envenom
tested the coin as assa. It's not nearly as good as it is for outlaw because you're using finishers way less frequently
potent pivot
ah really
vivid pond
tested the coin as assa. It's not nearly as good as it is for outlaw because you...
i really hope deathstalker becomes the best out of the 2
because then envenom might actually be a button that gets pressed more often
outer sky
because then envenom might actually be a button that gets pressed more often
keep dreaming
vivid pond
😦
vivid pond
does it hit hard?
outer sky
thats all that will change about envenom
vivid pond
or eh
outer sky
no lmfao
potent pivot
it hits hard if you fully lean into it
outer sky
it hits hard enough to make it worth pressing in that situation
but its not gunna be game winning
just the best button in the rotation at that time
potent pivot
but then you end up with a janky build and your big envenom is pretty easy to counter
potent pivot
good
outer sky
so whats the point of deathstalker then
Increased rupture damage and duration, plus shadowstep CDR
vivid pond
ah
potent pivot
it can yeah
outer sky
good enough
vivid pond
i heard you can get a 4,000,000 eviscerate
outer sky
the hp nerf helped
vivid pond
not sure about that tho
potent pivot
i've seen 1.8m
vivid pond
so out of the 3 which one looks the best
potent pivot
non-dfa as well
potent pivot
so out of the 3 which one looks the best
i mean we can't really know this until season starts to be real
speculating that right now is kinda pointless
outer sky
so out of the 3 which one looks the best
assass is doing the most overall dps
potent pivot
i've seen outlaw do similar dps to assa
outer sky
also is this worth playing now
debatable. I've been playing it just because I need to in order to get to bone spike
potent pivot
sub overall dps as always looks less considerable
outer sky
I think the jury is still out on whether or not we want to play Kingsbane
vivid pond
I think the jury is still out on whether or not we want to play Kingsbane
is kingsbane bad now!?
outer sky
yeah its shit
potent pivot
i think that's the only meaningful choice we're going to have
drop CT or KB for SBS
vivid pond
yeah its shit
bummer
potent pivot
lmao
vivid pond
so can i drop ct and kingsbane for bonespike?
vivid pond
for DB->SBS
huh
outer sky
had the best luck with
vivid pond
man do i hate ct
potent pivot
you don't drop both CT and KB
vivid pond
😦
potent pivot
MA is worthless now
potent pivot
yeah and i don't think it works proper with subt
vivid pond
how often do i have to press ct
outer sky
no shadowdance
it was mostly for dance+a chance to crit with KB but since the changes, if you're playing KB you macro Cold Blood to it so it will always crit anyway
potent pivot
anytime you already have garrote and rupture up on people
outer sky
how often do i have to press ct
you maintain it like your other bleeds
vivid pond
you maintain it like your other bleeds
even if its on 1 person/
potent pivot
ye
outer sky
even if its on 1 person/
yep
vivid pond
oh
potent pivot
your bleeds buff each other
vivid pond
your bleeds buff each other
oh really
potent pivot
when you're trying to kill someone
vivid pond
oh
potent pivot
vivid pond
do i kidney on cd btw
potent pivot
that is up for debate now with the increased CD
vivid pond
that is up for debate now with the increased CD
were you not supposed to before?
outer sky
vivid pond
so how does assass burst without kingsbane then
outer sky
so how does assass burst without kingsbane then
non existant. You play purely to rot
vivid pond
😦
potent pivot
they've been moving further and further away from burst
outer sky
its non existant
potent pivot
since the end of SL
outer sky
you legit dont even have to CC the healer until the game gets damp or the enemy team starts getting low
vivid pond
they've been moving further and further away from burst
its been annoying
so do i just deathmark as much as i can now
bc last season i was just saving it for some guy with no trinket
outer sky
bc last season i was just saving it for some guy with no trinket
deathmark is a trash CD you can send it whenever
potent pivot
i wonder if outlaw is even going to care about needing haste for ADR
pretty sure if you run enough haste to get back the .8s gcd, you get 1 extra global during a kidney
that feels kinda worth no?
vivid pond
deathmark is a trash CD you can send it whenever
dang
assass seems depressing all of a sudden
fading blade
welcome to rogue
outer sky
or WW
winged sentinel
so which plate class are you guys rolling
stoic spruce
i wonder if outlaw is even going to care about needing haste for ADR
Regardless it feels really bad without the haste so I imagine we get to like 20ish percent
vivid pond
i left that discord also
stoic spruce
My trolling knows no bounds
vivid pond
very trashy
stoic spruce
Very
potent pivot
so which plate class are you guys rolling
why would we roll plate
quaint cedar
pretty sure if you run enough haste to get back the .8s gcd, you get 1 extra glo...
It's more important for the extra global during crackshot imo. Even though crackshot damage is nerfed it's still amazing for CDR
potent pivot
Regardless it feels really bad without the haste so I imagine we get to like 20i...
i think the breakpoint for the ADR gcd is 25%
potent pivot
but i'm not sure
stoic spruce
Yeah 25
potent pivot
are we even going to play alac tho
stoic spruce
It'll also depend on what tree we're using
quaint cedar
So you don't have to gear to 25% haste. I think mine just has 10% and that feels fine
Why wouldn't we play alac? We need deeper strat
vivid pond
oh also
quaint cedar
I don't either. It's a terrible change
potent pivot
which of these 2 talents do i pick
fan talent for rn
quaint cedar
But stats are squished so low you really can't do 25% haste
vivid pond
fan talent for rn
is it changing in tww?
potent pivot
is it changing in tww?
don't think so
vivid pond
7 combo point assass would be weird
potent pivot
they're playing 7cp in pve iirc
potent pivot
I don't either. It's a terrible change
i almost don't hate the change ngl
i like stats having more to do with your class
it's just a weird way to implement it
outer sky
7 combo point assass would be weird
before the CC nerfs we used to get 7s kidney shots
potent pivot
haste is so dogshit they could give rogue hasted GCD
sharp sierra
damn I hate rogues as much as the next person but nerfing kidney shot to 30 seconds is just dumb.
Hopefully you guys get these reverted
stoic spruce
Honestly the least of my worries as an outlaw main
outer sky
Hopefully you guys get these reverted
revert rogue nerfs lmfao what do we look like, druids?
sharp sierra
lol
vivid pond
i just want assass to have more burst
and no ct
could care less bout the kidney shot cd
outer sky
See pikaboo's post
link?
vivid pond
See pikaboo's post
on what
potent pivot
sharp sierra
Twitter
potent pivot
i linked it yesterday
stoic spruce
Oh yeah that
sharp sierra
hopefully they listen either way
i never trust their dev team
i guarantee half dont even play the game
outer sky
Pikaboo is half the reason we keep getting nerfed to begin with
vivid pond
im telling you its an operation to make wow die
sharp sierra
lmao
quaint cedar
i like stats having more to do with your class
Yeah, I think the intention was good but the implementation was poor. I wish they came up with some other ways to make haste valuable
stoic spruce
Make outlaw fun for me and then I'll care about it
outer sky
if only there was a version of the game they could base tuning on before the season goes live
idk like
a beta or something
would be nice
vivid pond
imagine if they listened to feedback
potent pivot
#MaimNerfWhen?
sharp sierra
WORLD OF BETACRAFT! Paid beta testing, the last 20 years!
vivid pond
idk why they are increasing the cd on cc
INSTEAD OF JUST REMOVING CC CDS
like dh doesnt need 2 stuns and incap or cyclone then a fear
outer sky
INSTEAD OF JUST REMOVING CC CDS
pve
vivid pond
priest doesnt need a root
stoic spruce
If they wanted to reduce rogue control, they'd put a cooldown on cheapshot
vivid pond
dont give them ideas
stoic spruce
They'd have something much worse cooking
outer sky
they cant really put a CD on cheap shot since it's only usable during a small window
quaint cedar
Too late, blizz already taking notes
vivid pond
they cant really put a CD on cheap shot since it's only usable during a small wi...
they will make it usable once per that window
outer sky
would gut the ability
quaint cedar
Cheap shot already has a CD, it's whatever the CD of your next vanish/dance is
stoic spruce
they cant really put a CD on cheap shot since it's only usable during a small wi...
A 1 second cooldown isn't outside the realm of possibilities when subt lasts longer now
sharp sierra
snupy gonna have a wild season with those buffs to feral
vivid pond
and what i cant understand is why blizzard doesnt just remove more buttons instead of adding more
new players arent joining at all
stoic spruce
And 2 vanish charges
quaint cedar
I think it's a lost cause trying to worry about bringing in new players
MMOs just aren't as popular as they used to be
Better off trying to retain what they have
vivid pond
just wait till league of legends mmo comes out
thats the 1 game that might derail wow
vivid pond
MMOs just aren't as popular as they used to be
whats elden ring
potent pivot
just wait till league of legends mmo comes out
You’re gonna be waiting a long time lol
vivid pond
You’re gonna be waiting a long time lol
they fr pushed back the release date
by a whole year
quaint cedar
Isn't elden ring not really much of an mmo? idk never played it
vivid pond
They like completely scrapped the project
outer sky
6 second subterfuge is living on borrowed time
that will be nerfed to 4s before the end of season 1
potent pivot
It just has online co op or pvp or whateverthefuck
winged sentinel
ghostcrawler is making an mmo guys don’t worry
winged sentinel
damn I’m old
potent pivot
A big past wow dev
quaint cedar
lol
winged sentinel
he’s an OG wow dev
vivid pond
was he good
potent pivot
A lot of ppl liked him ye
vivid pond
thats cool
idk
i think the only mmo that might give wow a run for its money would be the league of legends one
winged sentinel
yeah having a big existing IP would prob help a lot
quaint cedar
everyone always thinks the next mmo will "kill wow" and yet we're all still here
vivid pond
everyone always thinks the next mmo will "kill wow" and yet we're all still here
tbh ive never thought any of the other ones would
but league of legends is HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE
winged sentinel
will league players enjoy an MMO tho
It’s so different from what league currently is
vivid pond
will league players enjoy an MMO tho
i mean
all i know
is riot hasnt had 1 failed game
besides like
runeterra
😂
that game was awful
vivid pond
It’s so different from what league currently is
i myself dont like league
so ide assume they dont like wow
idk
we'll see when the time comes
hopefully wow just gets its shit together
warped gate
what the heck is ghostcrawler
Wow, now I feel old.
warped gate
i think the only mmo that might give wow a run for its money would be the league...
Ghostcrawler actually was helping Riot on their MMO, but left for unknown reasons.
!wa
lethal roostBOT
Rogue WA's:
https://wago.io/weakauras/classes/rogue (Wago Rogue)
potent pivot
it's not the end of the world
potent pivot
there's no shot lmaoo
outer sky
yeah thats what fire mage does on live if there's a lot of pets
jolly sierra
disable rogue
shy nebula
wdym
nova viper
disable rogue
seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeexo
proud folio
Is the 30 sec kidney CD change on beta already?
shy nebula
wasn't it a datamine and not an actual blue post?
proud folio
wasn't it a datamine and not an actual blue post?
Yes but they made a real blue post today with it
proud folio
Is the 30 sec kidney CD change on beta already?
And if it is, can someone check if kidney is off GCD?
blissful osprey
4 rogue representing
outer sky
And if it is, can someone check if kidney is off GCD?
yes and its not off GCD
blissful osprey
easy win too at 2.2k mmr
proud folio
yes and its not off GCD
rip
outer sky
1.5m aint that hard
considering what you have to do to get it
so my testing in SS is going okay. Winning more than losing. But, we also have to remember dampening ramps up faster in SS than in regular 3v3. So my rot becomes unhealable much earlier in the game
Idk how well this will translate to real 3s
surreal barn
Just will take longer
With how op lock and mage are though you’ll have way more win conditions in normal 3s
outer sky
Devokers having a 2m smoke bomb is actually kind of toxic
surreal barn
And spriest lol
halcyon timber
It's darkest night giving an amp to eviscerate. Literally the same with all the trees but in a diff way with perks. It isn't nuts or anything. DFA doesn't stack with any of these effects to avoid some silly cheese. Other classes hit harder as well.
surreal barn
AoE disint and AoE grip are going to be sooo fun 🤦♂️
surreal barn
It's darkest night giving an amp to eviscerate. Literally the same with all the ...
I’m like 90% sure it effects your shadow damage addition
halcyon timber
Them tokyo drifting with taco bell breath is pretty fun too.
halcyon timber
I’m like 90% sure it effects your shadow damage addition
yes, it's just an amped cold blood. It's nothing crazy dumb before people may blow things out of the water. Envenom hits hard too.
surreal barn
Yeah. After testing sub and assa today I gotta say assa seems more fun 😔
halcyon timber
Forever subtlety no matter what. I'm no turn coat.
surreal barn
I am def turn coat
surreal barn
If I don’t like the playstyle i don’t care how op it is
outer sky
and if not then make WW S tier
rogue and WW are the only 2 specs in the game that are fun
halcyon timber
Not a fan of encouraging fotm rolling
If we are all doing well then that is all a rogue should hope for
outer sky
Not a fan of encouraging fotm rolling
I agree with this for classes but not necessarily specs
halcyon timber
Exhausting repeating the same nonsense of nerfing to stun bot land
outer sky
Exhausting repeating the same nonsense of nerfing to stun bot land
they just need to revert the sub design changes they made in legion
halcyon timber
They aren't going to
We were specifically told we aren't repeating anything, especially legion nonsense.
What we have is a past meets present and that is fine. Making silly "one shots" and hoping to be ridiculous isn't healthy and as someone who advocates for all rogues but only messes with Subtlety since I started in TBC I don't want any of that crap.
Play what people want and do whatt they want but the muddying our name and being a meme has to stop once and for all.
outer sky
the way sub is in its current configuration, it either does too much damage and kills through defensives, or too little damage that it's reduced to being a stun bot for a mage
I still have wet dreams about S1 SL sub rogue with pre-nerfed reprimand
if anyone wants to have some fun on pre patch as assa, next week is the week to do it
we're getting all of our damage buffs that are on beta
stam being nerfed in pvp
but no level 80 gear
so we'll just be 1 shotting everyone
"Storm, Earth, and Fire clones are now immune to all crowd control and their movement speed has been increased by 20%."
YESSSS
finally
the plague has been lifted
wild wigeon
Anyone have a cookie cutter sin build I can steal?
outer sky
Anyone have a cookie cutter sin build I can steal?
for retail or beta?
outer sky
sure one sec
wild wigeon
Currently running this
outer sky
Play this instead
wild wigeon
CB for Env?
wild wigeon
We only casting muti? or is ambush ok?
potent pivot
We only casting muti? or is ambush ok?
wdym
if you were going to press mut in a stealth window you'd ambush instead, that's fine
but you rarely want to do either in a stealth window
wild wigeon
gotcha
potent pivot
outer sky
Not a fan of how my death is in his chatbox
Hes saying the gouge nerf is more impactful than the kidney nerf
potent pivot
idk how much i agree with some of nahj's takes man
he really hates assa
like
really hates it
stoic spruce
Me with sub
halcyon timber
Everyone’s grandparents knows
stoic spruce
That's not enough
halcyon timber
Just all 3 specs do well and shake hands and call it a day
CC tax has to stop too
stoic spruce
Low-key want a CD on cheapshot just to see the reaction
potent pivot
spec hatred is just weird to me idk
stoic spruce
Hes saying the gouge nerf is more impactful than the kidney nerf
I can see it. You're not really sending a kidney every 20-30 seconds.
potent pivot
we all play the same triple dps class
stoic spruce
spec hatred is just weird to me idk
I also don't get how one could say this
Like
"Oh its the same that's ALWAYS an issue. It's fine tho"
stoic spruce
Boomie for example
Right
You queue in as a warrior and it just deletes you every game
I'd say hating a spec after experiences like that are warrented
potent pivot
i mean
hating boomkins is one thing
but a rogue main hating on other rogue specs idk
-# (Everyone hates boomkins, even boomkin players)
stoic spruce
Sub annoys tf out of me no matter what I play
Sub is my boomie
It's unfortunate outlaw is my favorite
Peak irony
potent pivot
i like all 3 specs
stoic spruce
Man
There are people that wake up and go "I think I'll play guardian druid in pvp today"
But you know what? I guarantee you they're having the most fun.
I was going to do that with brm but it had way too many binds
jolly sierra
**really** hates it
potent pivot
What am I looking at
jolly sierra
What am I looking at
najh being bombarded
ruby sentinel
kidney on a 30s cd is a lowkey buff to rogue tho 💀
potent pivot
i don't think that's nahj
jolly sierra
i don't think that's nahj
he is
outer sky
kidney on a 30s cd is a lowkey buff to rogue tho 💀
why? Because we cant DR our own kidney shots anymore?
ruby sentinel
of course 😭
potent pivot
why? Because we cant DR our own kidney shots anymore?
nahj just said ww got way overbuffed
ruby sentinel
nahj has this weird hatred for wind walker
When rogues been the natural predator to ww since the dawn of time
potent pivot
idk this is not the first time i'm hearing ww is good
like the 3rd time lmao
snupy, aeghis, and now nahj
ruby sentinel
images not being ccable is kinda huge no cap
potent pivot
maybe it's a conspiracy
outer sky
Ok I full sent it
Level yet another profession
so engineering
on beta
and made the bracers and goggles
so now I have 57% mastery baseline
and 20% vers lol
so ive level leatherworking, jewelcrafting, blacksmithing, tailoring, and engineering on beta
to get the optimum gear
jolly sierra
nahj is working with the CIA and wanna do internal conflict to set a new era for subs
outer sky
idk this is not the first time i'm hearing ww is good
ill swap to my monk on beta and see how it is
potent pivot
ill swap to my monk on beta and see how it is
maybe they're talking out of their asses, idk
just weird to hear multiple people say the same thing
halcyon timber
They did buff a lot and ww is ignoring a good bit of armor now
outer sky
how’s dh on beta
Idk haven't seen one yet
potent pivot
how’s dh on beta
no bueno
outer sky
Changed around my build and stats
outer sky
you reading my mind?
potent pivot
thewy been pumping
potent pivot
you reading my mind?
watcha mean
outer sky
I just posted my WW game and you insta post that lol
Do you have his damage breakdown available by any chance?
potent pivot
i went to check some of thewy's clips when i got back and saw your first WW game
just got back on a few minutes ago
i don't have any breakdowns naw
his vods are sub only so i only checked a couple clips
i don't really know any other monks that stream either, that i can think of anyway
don't think trill is really allowed to show any beta testing
mvq is streaming beta dh games
outer sky
this was my most recent game
potent pivot
tellin ya man
ppl saying it's good
everyone's been saying dh is bad
mvq just said he thinks it's good
stoic spruce
We need a larger sample size
grave basin
Is that through shadow pan ?
Cause it just got buffed
What even changed for it to pump so hard ?
Also, where tf is glyph of jab
grave basin
Do you have his damage breakdown available by any chance?
Btw I saw venruki on ww yesterday
jolly sierra
Also, where tf is glyph of jab
welcome back jab
grave basin
And he's using some weapon enchant
jolly sierra
is a very old ability which was baked into tiger palm
grave basin
That's super overtuned
Idk what it was but it's top of his damage by a bit
So thewy might be using that as well
Gimme jab man I wanna use my wep
grave basin
Yea but it's not implemented
jolly sierra
so the damage is technically from palm
jolly sierra
finally
grave basin
But it's no where to be found
jolly sierra
they have 20 days to introduce it into the spaghet code
grave basin
It's in the code
But they goofed cause it says requires: priest
😂
On wowhead you can see it
jolly sierra
XD
outer sky
lol
okay
guys
so
if you can get the most amount of mastery possible
assa is like
insane
I'm running around with 19% vers
400k garrote ticks
you bleed everyone on your opener and the whole team just starts falling over
just had a 5-1 and 6-0 back to back
shiv 2 different people at the same time
death mark one
you get every CD
and I didnt even have shaman buff
which is another 2% mastery lol
Got dat big 2.2
jolly sierra
wtf gratz
for that isnt better to rather run arterial precision?
so u save shivs?
outer sky
I dont play kingsbane so I m literally only pressing shiv for the bleed damage
potent pivot
Weren’t we just dooming yesterday
outer sky
well you see
This is like
end of season gear I have
I'm in full crafted gear besides tier
engi goggles and bracers
potent pivot
Isn’t that everyone on beta
indigo hill
I'm also crafting but still need a few more pieces.
outer sky
whats so annoying is that our 2 set is completely useless. It literally does nothing for us
but 4 set is really good
potent pivot
But leveling LW/eng/JC etc must be annoying
outer sky
But leveling LW/eng/JC etc must be annoying
dont forget blacksmithing and tailoring
potent pivot
Dunno why they don’t just put every crafted item on a vendor as well
outer sky
Dunno why they don’t just put every crafted item on a vendor as well
because the crafting mechanic is something theyre also beta testing
potent pivot
dont forget blacksmithing and tailoring
You don’t need those for a leather class tho right?
potent pivot
because the crafting mechanic is something theyre also beta testing
Sure but like, let crafters test that shit lmao
outer sky
You don’t need those for a leather class tho right?
yeah, you do. Tailoring for your cape and blacksmithing for your weapons
outer sky
on beta all gear scales to 632 in arena no matter what it is or how you get it
potent pivot
Ah true
If crafted is lower than conq on live
It’s not gonna be worth running on every slot
outer sky
our 4 set is basically 10% increased bleed damage
potent pivot
I think sub is going to be good in general
From what I’ve seen anyway
Might not be great in shuffle
But 3s
wintry dew
Assa S1 tier set tww = assa S1 tier set DF, but inverted
outer sky
God what I wouldn't give for this to only need 2 ruptures up
outer sky
what do you guys think about using this cloak enchant
As opposed to this one
you lose 2% speed
and gain 1% leech
but I'm thinking
we drop combat a lot
with double vanish and meld
it could do some good healing
outer sky
yeah...
wintry dew
The idea is good, but the 5 seconds rule not so much
potent pivot
what do you guys think about using this cloak enchant
those the only 2 options on beta?
outer sky
no there's a 3rd but it's avoidance
outer sky
theres a bracer one too lol
potent pivot
they really like to repeat the most odd things
i'd prolly just take the speed honestly
depends on if the healing enchant procs like
the first second you're OOC
if it does it might be worth but 250k is small compared to new health pools
outer sky
the avoidance is BiS for PvE
outer sky
the gap in healer quality in this game is crazy
I just lost a round where I was doing 750k dps and my devoker was doing 1.2m dps
other team was half that
their healer could keep up
ours couldnt
outer sky
so if anyone is wondering
our 4 set as assa has bettween 50 and 60% uptime
give or take
I also found an embellishment that's not trash
playing 2 of these
38% uptime last lobby
potent pivot
our 4 set as assa has bettween 50 and 60% uptime
you know it's nerfed in pvp right
so it's only +5% bleed dmg
outer sky
yeah that's pretty much all tier sets though
outer sky
what's subs do again
potent pivot
sectech dmg
outer sky
I find it hilarious that WW monk's tier set is nerfed 50% in pvp
outer sky
it makes tiger palm cause your next damaging ability to do 5% more damage
thats pre nerf
potent pivot
and other finishers w/e
outer sky
in pvp its 2.5% more damage
so tier in pvp amounts to a whopping 0.25% dps increase for WW
potent pivot
lmao
that's fucked
i'm honestly surprised sub's isn't nerfed
maybe they realized it wasn't doing well
potent pivot
outer sky
19.52
18.31
4.7
1.2
ok yeah that's good enough for me
fuck tier as assa
if you run crafted gear instead you get 4.7% more mastery and 1.2% more vers
instead of 5% increased bleed damage half the game
you get more than that the whole game
plus the defensive benefit of vers
poorly designed tier set
Am I missing something?
Why would we ever run tier if this is the case
I am running the tier leggings though because that's a ton of mastery AND we need some crit for cursed mastery to be usable
potent pivot
2set might buff kingsbane
potent pivot
ye
outer sky
which is eclipsed by the vers and mastery bonus of not running tier
potent pivot
eh
depends how KB does
you could run 2set only and still get some more mastery than if you were running 4set
ya get me
outer sky
you'd run shoulders and legs then
outer sky
yeah so for sure fuck 4 set
and fuck 2 set unless you're playing KB
if you ruin 2 set you lose 0.5% mastery and gain 0.7% vers
so def worth if running KB
potent pivot
idk if i'd get to caught up on stats rn anyway
some stats could definitely change when it goes live
outer sky
yeah but beta is our best guess
potent pivot
yeah i'm just saying that it may end up being wasted time
like discussing the actual dmg from the tier set is good
that won't change
and likely the same stuff will hold true for the most part
but the actual math you're doing may end up not being right
when comparing individual pieces of gear to running tier or not etc
grave basin
S1 tier set is hilariously undertuned
Even for pve
For most specs, and that's before the 50% PvP tax
outer sky
well if beta went live right now we wouldnt be running 4 set in pvp
its a dps loss
2 set only if playing kingsbane
which I'm not sold on at all
guys
how crazy is it to run sanguine strat
is 2 extra yards of FoK really worth losing a combo point and 5% bleed damage?
@potent pivot thoughts?
This game is so bad
5-1 and 0 rating
indigo hill
Playing ass?
outer sky
yeah
vivid pond
you guys see the huge rogue buffs?
outer sky
you guys see the huge rogue buffs?
are you trying to troll us by telling us the Kidney Shot nerf was a buff?
vivid pond
are you trying to troll us by telling us the Kidney Shot nerf was a buff?
no no no
supatease posted a video
massive damage buffs
for every spec
outer sky
link?
vivid pond
outer sky
I mean if I do any more damage I'll win in the opener every game
vivid pond
check
outer sky
oh this
I thought you meant beta
yeah they're updating the damage modifiers on retail to be the same as the ones on beta
vivid pond
outer sky
yeah those chages already went live on beta
vivid pond
oh
vivid pond
😦
outer sky
its part of their transition to TWW
vivid pond
i got excited lol
outer sky
here I'm on beta right now. You can see venomous wounds is already buffed
vivid pond
does it make a big diff?
outer sky
I notice it yeah
vivid pond
so assass is still best of the 3?
outer sky
IMO yes
it does the most overall dps, i'm 100% certain of that
and by a decent margin
vivid pond
which spec is #2 in your opinion
vivid pond
and by a decent margin
pikaboo was cranking in his video
outer sky
Sub is more set up dependant than any other rogue spec but we all want set ups
although assass is pretty pve right now
we have 0 burst
its all rot
vivid pond
although assass is pretty pve right now
😦
oh i had a question about outlaw
is killing spree my biggest burst ability
or when am i supposed to use it
outer sky
pretty much
vivid pond
ok
outer sky
don't quote me on this but
I wouldn't be surprised if you want to macro ghostly strike to killing spree
outer sky
situational
vivid pond
when do i what
outer sky
sec queue popped
outer sky
basically
stoic spruce
Your CDs are always up so don't think about that part too deeply
vivid pond
is crit or mastery better
stoic spruce
If I don't say "What are you doing step-kidney?" When I step into kidney, I lose.
Crit
vivid pond
oof
stoic spruce
Ngmi?
Some people say not to bte outside crackshot windows but me personally I don't really mind bte being on CD when vanish comes back.
But the dmg loss from not using bte outside crackshot is negligible at best.
vivid pond
ngmi is what
stoic spruce
Not gonna make it
sick wasp
Meanwhile on the pinnacle of power.. (Yes im talking about mage)https://www.youtube.com/shorts/erLDL3wHml0
sick wasp
mage is gonna be disgusting
sick wasp
more like MLP
stoic spruce
Oh yeah that too
sick wasp
rogue doesnt stand a chance unless sub makes it happen
stoic spruce
Usually how it goes
stoic spruce
Now we are
sick wasp
so dead u need a drilling company to bury u out
stoic spruce
I'm gonna hit glad with outlaw next season for sure
But I'll be complaining the whole time
sick wasp
im gonna hit glad with hpally and my mage
stoic spruce
"THIS SPEC SUCKS!"
Enter Arena
stoic spruce
sick wasp
stoic spruce
Ngl
sick wasp
i wanna pad hard in rbgs and arenas and all
stoic spruce
Seeing unholy get more pets would make a fire main bust
sick wasp
frost is always a game
very good still
but ye whatever u choose to play as a mage its always good
stupid god class
stoic spruce
Arcane pops off too
Wild
Man all the casters got cool hero trees too
Not many melee.
Dk did
Blue blood boil is cool. Can't play blood in pvp tho
vivid pond
assass vs assass is a fun lobby
outer sky
Some people say not to bte outside crackshot windows but me personally I don't r...
you can BTE outside of stealth if vanish has at least 45s left on its CD
outer sky
the reason you dont want to do that is because you want it off CD for your vanish so you can use your vanish asap and get it on CD so it starts getting the CDR from restless blades. Also because if you get Ace procs it rappidly speeds up your CDR
more vanishes used = more vanishes overall = more crackshots = more dps
so holding vanish for BTE is a major dps loss
outer sky
if you send BTE on CD when vanish has less than 45s left on its CD you'll end up doing that
outer sky
thing thats actually really pissing me off on beta rn is how they still havent put numbers to fatal intent
stoic spruce
Wdym?
vivid pond
back to back
stoic spruce
Is that beta
stoic spruce
Do outlaw now :)
outer sky
Wdym?
They can't figure out how to tune this hero talent so right now it's just doing nothing.
stoic spruce
It's fun I swear :]
stoic spruce
They can't figure out how to tune this hero talent so right now it's just doing ...
That looks stupid
outer sky
That looks stupid
it has the potential to be really good. Remember we have an execute phase below 35% and an insta kill below 10%
stoic spruce
Amazing
outer sky
if they do this right then 20% = dead
stoic spruce
Surely that tree is good for assa right
outer sky
this is the best assa tree
stoic spruce
Inflicts 0 plague damage lol
outer sky
Inflicts 0 plague damage lol
yeah because they cant figure out how to tune it
Trickster is garbage
stoic spruce
Was looking toward that one the most too when hero trees were announced
outer sky
theyre trying to make it impactful but also not an insta kill at 20% lol
stoic spruce
Imagine
You go into the group finder to pug a raid for vault or w/e
And it's a huge list of "LF Assa Deathstalker"
outer sky
yeah only deathstalker assa dps. boss just dies at 20%
stoic spruce
Is it weird to think that assa being an execute spec makes sense?
outer sky
makes sense to me
vivid pond
Trickster is garbage
is it bad for outlaw too?
ocean silo
hi, i switched from gladius to gladiusex (because framesort didn't work for me on gladius), and I setup everything fine, but inside arena it doesn't show. Anyone has a similar issue?
sArena also works fine, but i don't like that it doesn't highlight my target/focus
outer sky
Never had that problem sorry 😦
vivid pond
plus fatebound is just super good for outlaw
isnt it hard to flip the same face 7x in a row?
ocean silo
Do you use GladiusEx? And does it work fine for you today?
outer sky
is it bad for outlaw too?
The only thing that's kinda cool about trickster is the distract mirage looks identical to smoke bomb so you can get people to waste their trinket with it. People are saying it won't work on very good players but I faked Nahj's trinket with it last week. I mean you have to be explicitly looking at omnibar to know it's not a real smoke bomb and in a stressful game even the best players will panic a bit
outer sky
isnt it hard to flip the same face 7x in a row?
Who cares? Every time you fljp tails you're hitting someone for like 600k. And outlaw is the highest APM spec in the game. You're spamming finishers. It's not uncommon to see the tails flip be your top damage as outlaw.
outer sky
Do you use GladiusEx? And does it work fine for you today?
Used it until a few weeks ago
vivid pond
Who cares? Every time you fljp tails you're hitting someone for like 600k. And o...
outlaw apm is higher than fury's?
or ele's?
outer sky
outlaw apm is higher than fury's?
Yep
outer sky
You should have substantial uptime on AR to avoid that
vivid pond
ah
halcyon timber
Cloud cover has a green poison effect within the smokebomb and it is larger. There is a difference and has been for a while
vivid pond
is it noticable?
outer sky
I mean it's kind of a moot point anyway. Its still a trash hero tree compared to the alternative for every spec
halcyon timber
Just other classes looking to whine as always
potent pivot
is 2 extra yards of FoK really worth losing a combo point and 5% bleed damage?
you're going to end up spending more time and energy getting more combo points, so i'm not sure how realistic it is to run in pvp
potent pivot
its a dps loss
i'm not sold on 4set being a dps loss
btw
even with pvp nerfs i don't think they put stuff in the game that actively lowers your dps very often
otherwise they'd just tell us tier sets aren't meant for pvp
outer sky
you're going to end up spending more time and energy getting more combo points, ...
That's if you use all 7. You get the 5% extra finisher damage even if you use less
potent pivot
still not sure if worth
2 yards is kind of a lot considering we lost 15 yard fan that the old fan talent gave us
for an aoe it's kinda important
outer sky
even with pvp nerfs i don't think they put stuff in the game that actively lower...
Well the numbers are what they are. You get as much or more bleed damage through stats by not running 4 set than you get from the 4 set in pvp. 4.7% mastery and 1.2% extra vers. And that's active the whole game, not just during parts of it like 4 set. So mathematically, on beta right now, 4 set is a dps loss
potent pivot
you'd be trading that for 5% on rupture and CT... they already don't do a whole lot
potent pivot
Well the numbers are what they are. You get as much or more bleed damage through...
yeah but you're just not factoring in other stats at all in this
outer sky
for an aoe it's kinda important
But CT is only 10 yards. So you can't do anything with the CPs until you get within that range
potent pivot
mastery is not the end all be all
potent pivot
But CT is only 10 yards. So you can't do anything with the CPs until you get wit...
i feel like wound spreading is pretty good as well
crippling etc
outer sky
Crit is extremely low. I can't see much value in going from 10% crit, which is what I have, to maybe 13% if I ran 4 set
Haste would have to carry
potent pivot
the lower it is the more value per point compared to other stats
potent pivot
if you look at almost any other class in the game, even in pvp, almost none of them stack as hard as rogues try to push themselves to stack
potent pivot
If only there was a way to find out for sure
i've tried to ask if it'd be possible to do sims for pvp
but they wouldn't make real sense
the only real way we have is to hit dummies and get a large enough sample size
wanton breach
but they wouldn't make real sense
only very limited to burst combinations with a strict APL
outer sky
if you look at almost any other class in the game, even in pvp, almost none of t...
Actually funny you should mention that. With the WW rework haste is actually outscaling main stat lol. You legit can't have enough
potent pivot
only very limited to burst combinations with a strict APL
yeah it just still wouldn't be accurate to real life scenarios
you could sim "a perfect opener" to find the optimal gear for that scenario, but the second you get CC'd, someone presses their defensive, that goes out the window
sin's value from every stat is actually insane how close they are
outer sky
Haste lost a bit of value for assa with the venomous wounds buff.
outer sky
Because haste increases bleed tick rates. But with VW giving more energy, you don't need as many ticks to get the same amount of energy as before
potent pivot
if anything dot ticks from haste giving you more venemous wounds procs it buffed out haste
i guess you could look at it like that
i see it as more energy regardless
outer sky
I mean it could also depend on how someone plays
I play super passive
Almost every game I win is in dampening
potent pivot
i don't think so, it's pretty fundamental isn't it?
crit gives more cp gen and damage
haste gives energy and dot ticks which also give energy
which is also more damage from dots
mastery gives flat damage
vers gives flat damage
in SL pretty much everyone ran haste>vers iirc