pvp

[spring bough]

it wasnt showing the countdown timer for me until i reloaded

[outer sky]

nope still not working. Zones enabled, CCs enabled, its only doing it for stuns

[spring bough]

idk then. i have the new one installed, ran the skill capped, then enabled all the nameplates under diminish and everything is working

[outer sky]

guess ill stick to my WA then

[spring bough]

went over to my rogue and it is showing blind on it. maybe just reinstall?

[outer sky]

tried that 😦

Its fine this WA is just as good

[spring bough]

what weak aura have you been using? i remember trying one but it was missing stuff

[outer sky]

https://wago.io/R93MbZOoD

[nova jay]

how does one deal with aff locks?

[outer sky]

type /afk after the gates open so they can't do a go on you

[nova jay]

but then my teammates report me for afk

[outer sky]

its a joke, you leave the game if they do that

You have to play like a bitch. You run in to stun and bleed and then run away until behind a pillar until you have a stun DR back

You only win in dampening so youre just trying to play to make the game last as long as possible

do as much damage while taking as little damage

burn enemy healer mana

problem with affi lock is they can do 1/3rd the healing their healer can do and they can maintain uptime on you from a distance while you need to be in melee. So you lose that damage+healing race

So you need to get to a point in the game where healing is a lot less of an advantage

then you can win with your MS

It's still really hard and you'll probably lose a lot but when you do win that's usually how you'll do it

and if they get aggressive and come after you behind your pillar you can punish them as they range their port and gate

and bleed them while kiting them around the pillar

trying to get them to line their healer and whatnot

but a good warlock wont let you put them in that position because they know that's a win condition for you

Ofc I'm assuming you're playing assass since its the only viable rogue spec on retail right now. If you're playing sub or outlaw into an affi lock on retail you probably just lose no matter what you do because of the bullshit armor scaling

You also want to be getting out as fast as possible because if you stay relatively high hp it's less stress on your healer which will allow him to dispell UA without needing to blow a major CD to top himself afterwards

and tbh in a 3v3 against an affi lock you're more likely to lose because of one of your teammates dying than to yourself dying. And that's super frustrating cuz there aint much you can do

[potent pivot]

maybe it's conflicting with your plate addon?

that's the only thing i can think of

[nova jay]

also is mmr really inflated

[outer sky]

Tried disabling that, didnt work

[potent pivot]

im gonna get on and try

[outer sky]

Like last season I mostly played assa/fire and into shadowplay it just seemed impossible for my mage to survive long enough having 15% less hp due to glass cannon and the shadow priest spam purging him

[outer sky]

I'd say its about average

[potent pivot]

the season is over and we're in prepatch

so mmr gets weird i think

[outer sky]

@potent pivot look at these markers man

[potent pivot]

yeah i know, they're sick aren't they lol

when you installed, it didn't mess with your action bar at all did it?

i just did a ton of work to my UI and don't want to fuck it up lmao

oh you use a pve WA

[outer sky]

no it didnt do anything to them

[potent pivot]

dope

idk how you can play with that WA in pvp

that shit always fucks me up

[outer sky]

I couldnt play without it

[potent pivot]

really? i always found myself paying way too much attention to it

i used to pve a lot so it was like my main focus, trying to pvp with it was way too distracting lmao

[steel scarab]

@outer sky @potent pivot
I agree with both of you

I used the PvE weakaura to hit Elite this season but I tried to train myself not to pay too much attention to it

In pve it's like literally all you look at to succeed, it's crazy how dumb pve is lol

(Compared to the complexity of pvp I mean)

[outer sky]

the action is in the middle of my screen so I want everything I pay attention to to also be in the middle of my screen since that's where I'm always looking. My omnibar is right below it. I can also block it out mentally when I don't need to pay any attention to it

[outer sky]

As a multi rank 1 M+ player I don't really agree with this at all but maybe

[potent pivot]

why are all my addons so fucked up

[steel scarab]

Put it this way, I easily, easily got KSM and KSH with just Weakauras and DBM. Always queueing with total strangers.

Hitting that same 2400 milestone in solo queue arena was like.... 1000000x harder

[potent pivot]

like i just logged in and WAs aren't enabled

and a bunch of other shit

[outer sky]

yeah but those arent comparable achievements. KSM is a joke

in DF S4 I had all +28s timed

S3*

[steel scarab]

Okay but that's more a product of you being with good players than your own personal contribution. It's just, "do your rotation, have gear, and don't stand in the bad shit you didn't stand in the keystone prior to this one"

[potent pivot]

diminish is working

[outer sky]

try it with blind or gouge. its working for me with stuns too

[steel scarab]

That's literally pve for this entire game

[potent pivot]

yeah it didn't work with blind or gouge hmm

[outer sky]

Thats not true at all lmfao when every tick of damage can potentially one shot you and the timers are dowmn to sub 10 seconds on completion you gotta do a lot more

[potent pivot]

yeah in high level pve it does take a lot

using your abilities to counter mechanics etc

[steel scarab]

I'm not saying there isn't a knife edge margin to be able to hit r1 in M+ but it's certainly more about networking and having a consistent group of dedicated people than your own personal skill, because as you said, 1 person standing in the bad stuff ruins the run

Unless you're telling me you hit R1 with all random people in the queue

[outer sky]

yes I pugged it every season

as well as every season I got close

[steel scarab]

That is shocking (and unhinged)

[potent pivot]

the only thing you can't really do is pug cutting edge

dungeons are a different story

[outer sky]

I think the networking is a lot more important in pvp

[potent pivot]

anyone know a good chat filter

or should i just disable trade chat lmao

shits annoying

[steel scarab]

@potent pivot the irony is that I'd say cutting edge is even easier than a M +28 from a personal contribution standpoint, provided you know the fights (same as M+), it's just, as you said, impossible to get that large a group of random people to achieve that

[potent pivot]

in a sense i agree

but

when i told that to my guild they were all in disagreement

[steel scarab]

In M+ the LFG feature sorting out good/bad people is much better than it is for Mythic raiding, where it's practically non existent

[potent pivot]

it depends on what you play and how much your guild leans on you

if you're expected to do certain mechanics it's a lot more difficult

for example, bombs on halondrus

[steel scarab]

Sure

[potent pivot]

raid as a whole is more difficult in a number of different aspects

dungeons only get that difficult at the highest level

@outer sky was that happening with the SCui's Diminish as well?

like did you try SCui's Diminish AND the other updated Diminish?

[steel scarab]

Wait is diminish going to stop working soon?

[outer sky]

there's a lot more flexibility in fight mechanics in dungeons than in the raid. Like yes there's a way to do it on paper but timing high keys has a lot to do with learning ways to cheese mechanics. Like back in BFA there was a dungeon called Tol Dagor and the hardest boss was The Sand Queen first boss. She would do this ability called upheaval where it would target a random player, burrow underground and leap up from under them doing a ton of damage. At a certain key level even with a healer CD like pain sup or iron bark it was a one shot. So what I eventually had to learn to do was time it perfectly and shadowstep someone on my team at the same second she would come up from underground on me so she would miss and I'd avoid the mechanic. But if I miss timed it she would one shot me and whoever I stepped to

[potent pivot]

cause we could go into SC's discord and report it as a bug

[outer sky]

just 1 example

[outer sky]

yes

[potent pivot]

maybe they will fix it

[steel scarab]

@outer sky getting randomly 1 shotted at a certain key level unless you cheese a mechanic doesn't sound like great design lol

[outer sky]

Its always going to be that way though because the nature of M+ dungeons is to scale infinitely

[wintry dew]

Thats when augvokers come in

and increase the level ceiling by like 4 or 5 key levels

[outer sky]

so to keep from dying and push higher you have to learn shit like that

[steel scarab]

I think that makes sense, but what about classes that just don't have a Shadowstep and it targets them, they just die?

So the solution is just redo the run until you're the one targeted by RNG?

[outer sky]

Warriors could leap it, DHs would vengeful retreat, druids could wild charge

[steel scarab]

While your key degrades with each failure? That sounds like the opposite of fun, no thanks lol

[outer sky]

just rattling a few off the top of my head

and sometimes if you got bad RNG, yes, you'd have to be willing to commit your battle rez to someone

and just know the dungeon doesn't have any other mechanics where you should need one

[steel scarab]

If the key didn't degrade with a failure I think I'd more okay with a single piece of RNG ruining the run, but

[potent pivot]

i feel like that's a big part of why they squished the dungeon levels

like isn't doing a 15 insanely hard now

[wintry dew]

its "just" an old 25

[steel scarab]

@potent pivot yeah, I think that was a spectacular change

[outer sky]

difficult but not "insanely hard"

I'm retired from PvE until I get gladiator though

I'm sick of not having a glad mount

[potent pivot]

oh i thought 15 was like an old 30 nvm

[wintry dew]

a +0 is basically a +10

[potent pivot]

holy shit

that's a crazy change is it not

[steel scarab]

For perspective, I could never do a 25 before, the highest I did before was a 21, but because of how the dungeon levels are squished, people are more likely to take a chance on you than they were when the hunters were more stratified

It's much better this way

[potent pivot]

didn't most of the playerbase struggle to even do a 10

[wintry dew]

yeah there was a LOT of trouble in the start of S4 because most non hardcore players didnt know of that change

[potent pivot]

yeah that's a crazy change for them to make

my god

[outer sky]

yeah in the same way most of the player base struggles to get 1800 pvp rating. Doesn't mean its hard though its just that most players are worse at the game than decent players could ever imagine

[potent pivot]

i thought each level just scaled up double

like a +1 was an old +2, a +5 was an old +10

[steel scarab]

Yeah they absolutely should've had a disclaimer for everyone when they tried to queue, but as usual, Blizzard ingame communication is absolutely dogshit and they expect you to read it on a third party source

[potent pivot]

but nah they just deleted 10 levels

[outer sky]

its exponential. The gap in difficulty between a 14 and a 15 is greater than between a 13 and a 14

[potent pivot]

jesus

did they compensate the great vault at all

[wintry dew]

Yesn't

[potent pivot]

because before people doing +10s could get halfway decent gear

[wintry dew]

M0 = normal raid loot now

[outer sky]

THE POINT IS...high end PvE, not KSM, not top 500 region, but genuinely high end pve is a hell of a lot more than looking at weakauras and following adventure guide mechanics

[wintry dew]

aka champion gear

[outer sky]

thats what started this conversation

[potent pivot]

yeah i agree with that

i just haven't pve'd since SL

so had no idea what was doing on lmao

[wintry dew]

You didnt miss much, m+ wise,

Raidwise they were all really good

[potent pivot]

this was basically me with raiding

i literally just wanted to push myself to getting 1 cutting edge

and i did

got the sylvanas mount too

[outer sky]

Can we talk about how next season's glad mount is an uglier version of the one everyone got for free in the BFA prepatch?

like come on blizzard

[potent pivot]

lmao

[tawdry imp]

man sometimes it is impossible to tell what unstealthed you in a bg

being within 90 miles of a druid or something

[potent pivot]

Remember to do your daily bug reports

if enough of us report the worst bugs enough times, they can't keep ignoring it, right?

[spring bough]

really liking the betterblizzplates for solo bgs and solo shuff. its pretty nice over the mes plater i was using

having everything as class colors but with indicators for whose on my team is awesome

[outer sky]

I always have friendly nameplates turned off

I really like how this skillcapped UI shows totems

[potent pivot]

it should be making the ones you want to kill very apparent right?

[outer sky]

yes, very

[atomic adder]

I certainly think there is some bug right now because I’m getting randomly pulled from stealth a decent bit

[outer sky]

you talking about blitz?

[atomic adder]

yeah

[outer sky]

Its def bugged

I get unstealthed and then spam unstealthed for the first 30s or so after the gates open

[jolly sierra]

[potent pivot]

it's gotta be because we're the least represented class so their rogue bug report bin has the least amount of reports, right?

right...?!

[jolly sierra]

emmmmmmmmmm

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/cowboy-bebop-bebop-edward-the-madness-is-consuming-me-madness-gif-6135416434214412358

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/edgerunners-cyberpsychosis-sandevistan-cyberpunk-gif-27165868

[outer sky]

Do you guys consider cheap shot "spammable CC"?

[jolly sierra]

in a stunlock window, ye

or in CC bot mode

[outer sky]

I mean just in general

if someone said "make a list of all spammable CC in WoW"

would you add cheap shot

[jolly sierra]

yes

[potent pivot]

i mean it requires stealth

so idk if i'd include it in a list of spammable CC

like technically it is, but only during windows

[jolly sierra]

yeah but ppl thinks rog = sub

ignorant ppl i say

so i think could be the case

in common player pov

[potent pivot]

it's not like poly

[jolly sierra]

ye it isnt

but is still very frequent

[potent pivot]

not as frequent for assa/outlaw

if you're going off of sub alone then you'd also have to include Sap yeh?

[jolly sierra]

sap is a spamable cc too

in assa case could be a garrote

a stealth window doesnt changes the fact is spamable

[potent pivot]

imo it does idk

ooo

poison knife isn't resetting wound poison anymore

and it's actually stacking it properly too

niceee

[jolly sierra]

well

[potent pivot]

i can delete that old pin

[jolly sierra]

time to change the pin

ye lol

[potent pivot]

i added a list of beta bugs earlier

just need to see if there's a list for sub bugs

[halcyon timber]

still conditional requring stealth and stuff like sap only exists if

1. no one stops the rogue (they will if they have common sense)
2. individual falls out of combat as well

no one stop the rogue : Surprised pikachu face
whaddafuggg blizzurdddd not fairrrrr

Our abilities still require a single or double resource to perform. other classes have low cost or no cost. People don't care when a druid does stuff similar to us, they only care that a rogue does it.A rogue's DRs are a precious resource, others just do it because they want to.
TLDR: Other classes can get bent regardless of what they think or feel about us rogues.

[lunar zinc]

the fun part about that is that when ppl complain abt rogues its just the top 10-20% who are insane at the game, yet its the reverse percentage for dhs so i guess nerf rogues

[halcyon timber]

People ceased to do anything about the rogue, have gained more tools to create holes and refuse to use them. Plenty of AOE stuns and other toys these days to do so. The rogue also isn't alone and depends on those other X amount of team mates to follow the visual queues. Not the rogues fault someone on a team sat their start struck like watching Vince Carter dunk on someone back in the Olympics. Yeah it's dumb when we get CC taxed and others get buffed that were already hitting harder but yeah always strange.

[swift smelt]

so i just had a dh dunk on me multiple times in a bgb

every time i went to kidney he was immune, i mean the fights dont last long, but through cloak vial i take so much damage, vanish to reset and he spectral sights, any tips?

[outer sky]

What spec are you playing

[swift smelt]

assa

[outer sky]

You both had every button?

[swift smelt]

yeah fresh each time

[outer sky]

Last question, did he pull you out of stealth?

[swift smelt]

first time yes second no

[outer sky]

So the biggest thing is knowing what makes a DH immune to your CC

He can glimpse it, blur it (stuns) and meta it

Blur is a 50% dodge chance so not worth kidneying into it

But

Cheap shot cannot be dodged

So if he has blur up you can vanish and stun him

After he metas you can blind his damage

Just make sure you're not wasting cooldowns into his immunities

If he stuns you trinket cloak

He will usually stun you twice

Trinket the first one and cloak

It will immune the 2nd one

And you'll be on stun DR

If you're trying to kill him and he netherwalks you can also blind that if you're healthy

You can also evasion early and then when you get stunned trinket it so you still have evasion up and then you can hold your cloak a little longer

And don't send your offensive CDs unless he's stunned or you know he has no blur, darkness, glimpse, or nether

DH is squish in a stun

[spring bough]

gotta say i am really enjoying getting rid of a bunch of addons for the skill capped. addon feels so minimal now. cant say enough good about the betterblizzplates

[outer sky]

That's weird because I have more add-ons now because of it lol

[swift smelt]

tyvm

[outer sky]

Before the SC addon all I had was weakauras, gladius, omnibar, omnicc, omnicd, big debuffs, and nameplateccntrinket

Now got rid of big debuffs and nameplateccntrinket

So I have the SC addon, weakauras, omnibar, omnicc, omni auras, betterblizzframes, betterblizzplates, Healthbar color, frame sort, gladius, omniCD and frame color

[spring bough]

i had elvui, toxi ui and a bunch of other stuff lol

[outer sky]

Oh I also have details, battleground enemies, and capping

I do like whatever the SC addon is doing to make my UI a bit darker

And these teammember markers are a godsend

[potent pivot]

what is it making darker?

[outer sky]

My bars and my open tabs

[potent pivot]

i'm hoping it won't fuck up my action bar profile

i've already got it darker

[outer sky]

It didn't mess up mine at all

[potent pivot]

what do your open tabs look like

but you weren't using an actionbar addon before ye?

[outer sky]

No I wasnt

[potent pivot]

Ooo

looks nice

[outer sky]

Only thing I'm worried about is not being able to play on patch release days because I'm using a UI addon. Every time there's a new patch all my friends are like "sorry cant play, ElvUI hasn't updated for the patch yet"

[potent pivot]

well you can just disable whichever ones aren't updated yet

i'm sure that especially since it's a paid UI they're going to have it all updated very quickly

they've probably already done a lot of work to it using the beta

[outer sky]

LMFAO I'm waiting for a buddy to log on to queue bgb so I queued a skirm to kill time. These guys were fully geared

[potent pivot]

[plush umbra]

Is there a list of common WAs people use for rogue? Looking to get back into it and have fun but not get annoyed. Gonna watch some PvP videos and hope that’s good enough boys

[outer sky]

I dont think there are any common ones used specifically for rogue but there are some good pvp ones in general

like for when your healer is CCd

or when someones drinking

[plush umbra]

Gotcha

Ok cool

[potent pivot]

i think most people use Mes' WA pack

https://wago.io/pjH2s0KV3 @plush umbra

[outer sky]

thats the loadout code for an assass specific weakaura i really like

It adds a tracker to your kingsbane so you can maximize your dps during it

looks like this

at the 3rd line you shiv, 2nd line tea, and if I had a vanish charge there would be anotehr line to the left where yo'd vanish in pve but obv thats optional in pvp

[plush umbra]

I love that tracker for KB

Oh third line like the line at the left

[halcyon timber]

Monks can too with their new talent if they haven’t taken contact in 10s or so (side note) good to throw a kitchen knife at them once in a while so they don’t immune your stun.

When a DH netherwalks, they cannot attack so you can get a stealth off sometimes during that time if you’re fast enough, or just blind him if he didn’t fall out and sap him (and continue a slick chain if you’re being. Mindful of him falling out of combat) and steal a base in that time or boogy on out and recover if needed.

Same can go with a teleporting mistweaver when stunned, can blind him when he snaps back and sap off that if he falls out of combat.

Treants from resto druid also don’t keep them in combat in case you didn’t know and they get confused healing each other if you dot them .

[swift smelt]

appreciate the feedback, i was wasting cds on immunities, just lack of understanding and patience.

[halcyon timber]

No big deal, just lots of patience and sitting tight and looking for opportunities my man

Just like gouging the hunt before it makes contact

[swift smelt]

for sure, lots to learn

[outer sky]

What can monks do?

[halcyon timber]

Let me look it up rq

[sick wasp]

true and real,nice to cleave and control

[outer sky]

WW monk is absolute trash on beta rn

I may even say the worst dps spec in the game

[halcyon timber]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=432181/dance-of-the-wind

I “guess” it is this. I could swear it was reworked in the notes for tww. Studying atm but prob have to look more into stuff later.

[sick wasp]

officially fallen in love with hpally

a banger of a spec in beta

[nova jay]

why is everyone flopping over from lava burst dmg

is it dispellable or is there anything to do about it besides interrupts?

[sick wasp]

both

u dispell flame shocks to avoid giving procs away

and stop them

ele sham is basicly a training dummy

does alot of dmg but thats it,good healers should endure the pressure

[nova jay]

but flame shock is spammable right

[sick wasp]

its on a 6sec cd iirc

or 4 something like that

[nova jay]

well a lot of classes don't have a spammable dispell

[sick wasp]

its a healer thing

mainly a healer thing

[nova jay]

so if the healer doesn't know to dispell there's not much I can do about it?

[sick wasp]

u can clos it and track the surge procs

and stun them

and kick

gouge as well

press ur phial

thats all pretty much

and ofc feint if elu speced

[halcyon timber]

Primordial wave spreads flame shocks too and the fire elementals

No?

[sick wasp]

PW flame shocks ye

[halcyon timber]

But yeah, stay on their butts man

[nova jay]

sounds like ele is pretty op

[outer sky]

Oh yeah, WW monks dont play that though. Its kind of inconvenient to get to on the tree and its not really that good. Most of the time it procs off an auto attack. The kind of RNG you need for that talent to actually be useful is unrealistic

[halcyon timber]

Makes sense, it works for MW hanging out in the back spreading sierra mist

[outer sky]

yeah cuz theyre always building stacks to 90%

[halcyon timber]

throwing home depot spare parts at them helps

Yeah for sure

Lord knows the unga bunga classes don’t kill totems either

From shaman

[outer sky]

ele got nerfed hard recently. Its like a 40% nerf. Shaman and DK are blizzard's 2 favorite classes to nerf. I swear DK gets nerfed even when nobody is playing it. Ele shaman was good for like 2 weeks when there wasn't even a live season and blizzard slammed the nerf hammer harder on them than they have on anyone in quite a while. It's actually kind of funny from a sadistic humor perspective lol

[halcyon timber]

Lava burst spam is a war crime

[sick wasp]

[halcyon timber]

Accidentally smoking people

[sick wasp]

blizzard tried to make them ''viable''

the entire ele sham since vanilla

in pvp is completely busted

the way the spec functions to proc from procs and throw instant stuff

a complete meme

[outer sky]

yeah they just kinda sit there and waddle around not doing anything and then all of a sudden someone on your team gets randomly one shot

[sick wasp]

just dont let them breathe,idk any other way

[outer sky]

theyre pretty tanky

[sick wasp]

if they kill u from surge procs then they will suffer as well

ye they kinda are

the barrow thing is busted

[outer sky]

burrow

yeah

I mean its their only active defensive besides their wall

[halcyon timber]

Reminds me of dark moon faire whack a gnoll game

[sick wasp]

they got smol stuff that act as defensive mechanisms

like root EB

grounding

frost shock roots

the leap thing

capacitor

[halcyon timber]

Clever static field totem recall

Unleash shield too

Nothing to sleep on

[sick wasp]

i rly dont have 0 empathy for shamans

ild murder them

on the spot

no questions asked

[halcyon timber]

Take 100% less damage if you can’t be touched pretty much

[sick wasp]

yup those are stuff that create distance

distance is all a caster needs

[halcyon timber]

Earthbind roots not breaking on damage is pretty nuts too

[sick wasp]

its actually disgusting

ye

[halcyon timber]

The shock being amped with a talent when we don’t have a step is filthy too

Knocks you further than happy Gilmore crushing golf balls

[sick wasp]

lmao

lasso

the cringe is real

cc for days

hax lasso,displace totem

yeah F shamans

[halcyon timber]

If they had unleash water shield, they would be really ridiculous

Ghost wolf dr is slick too when they kite well

[outer sky]

Lasso is arguably the worst stun in the game

I dont even mind getting lassod because I know they cant burst me while I'm stunned by it

its the only stun that can be interrupted and the only stun that CCs the caster for its duration

[sick wasp]

lasso is a cross cc though

in the sense that it trades into momentum with hex,EB

the ability to cc in that way is very strong

its not like it matters if u cant die,cc isnt always about killing

[outer sky]

yeah but the fact remains that the shaman is still CCd himself while he's using it. So even if they use it to CC the healer and do a go on you, at least the shaman isnt helping to pump damage into you

[sick wasp]

ye true

[halcyon timber]

Cross is still the lethal part of it and the brainless don’t bother interrupting it and go on flaming a healer while they roid rage leaped after a shaman behind maldraxxus pillars and got space jam dunked on by a shadow priest while they LOSd their healer

[outer sky]

but you have to compare it to other stuns

it lasts as long as a kidney shot

imagine if you couldnt do anything while your target was kidneyd

and it could be interrupted

[halcyon timber]

It at least deals some damage and yeah agreed however different classes with different scopes and intents behind stuns

[outer sky]

Kidney does damage too

internal bleeding

[halcyon timber]

A rogue stuns because we need to control. A shaman does it to create space/ breathe / and film a tony hawk proskater 12 lava burst track

Yes for assassins, i dont venture into that though

[outer sky]

I'm just saying that stunning yourself while you're stunning someone else generally isnt as powerful as what other classes have access to

I do remember though when they first introduced lightning lasso in BFA

it was a pvp talent

and if you sat the whole thing without getting healed

it would kill you

shit absolutely chunked

[halcyon timber]

Yeah the tased tf out of you

They

[outer sky]

shit they should give rogues a talent called pepper spray that extends the duration of blind lol

[halcyon timber]

Still does 700% sp as well

[halcyon timber]

People would have diarrhea and still break blind anyway

[outer sky]

LMFAO how do you lose??? Look at how much HP this mage on my team had

Skirms are kinda fun sometimes lol

good time killer while SS queue is taking forever

[steel scarab]

@halcyon timber the Aerox 9 is absolutely unusable

[jolly sierra]

what a bot

[halcyon timber]

Well poop. Are You going to return it tomorrow?

[steel scarab]

Don't get me wrong, it feels amazing and the sensor is great. Just, the side buttons are placed so incredibly idiotically from an ergonomic standpoint, it's like they were 100% an afterthought

[halcyon timber]

Warlock psyop

[steel scarab]

Yeah, definitely returning

[halcyon timber]

That sucks man :/ , is it unresponsive as frick?

[steel scarab]

The buttons are nearly 2x as large as the Naga ones. Which isn't the worst thing, except they're ALSO placed super far forward on the mouse. So reaching 123 while having your hand in a neutral position is ridiculously and unnecessarily difficult

$150

[halcyon timber]

Aint got no gas in it - slingblade

[steel scarab]

No, the sensor in the mouse is actually beautiful

It tracks better than the Naga

That's why it's such a tragedy

[halcyon timber]

Ah sheet man , that’s a drag

What are you eying instead?

Eyeing*

[steel scarab]

It gets worse! The Naga sidebuttons are clicky tactile switches, while the Aerox are membrane (trash)

[halcyon timber]

I need to go to best buy soon too

[steel scarab]

And worst of all, 3,6,9,12 are unnecessarily difficult to press due to the way they positioned them on an angle so it's like you're going to a hill to get to them

[halcyon timber]

Man that sucks fr

Ill stick with my little grenade

[steel scarab]

It is insane that anyone wrote a positive review of this mouse. Clearly every positive review either never used the Corsair MMO mouse / the Naga, or they got paid off

[halcyon timber]

I dig the tight buttons as my thumb doesn’t move much other than for fishing haha

Paid actor review written by a dh

[outer sky]

I strongly recommend the Logitech G600

[halcyon timber]

Is it sleek?

[outer sky]

idk what that means

[halcyon timber]

Like slimish

[outer sky]

I guess? idk mouse sizes

[steel scarab]

The Aerox would be great for a DH as they wouldn't need the side buttons, because they only have 7 abilities

[halcyon timber]

Dh use children sized bowling balls

[outer sky]

Ive tried otehr MMO mouses and they all caused me to press additional buttons than the one I want to press sometimes

this one the buttons are shaped so well its not possible

and tehres a 3rd clicker

so extra bind

[halcyon timber]

Might have to take a looky at that

[outer sky]

its a tank too. My wife also plays WoW but she's dogshit at it. She's also a sore loser so she's thrown it across the room multiple times and it hasn't broken yet

[halcyon timber]

So its a missile when needed

Good for home intruders

[outer sky]

oh yeah

[halcyon timber]

Need a new mini fridge at some point too

Gotta keep ye ol energy drink storage prime

[potent pivot]

i don't think you can buy the logitech g600 anymore bro

afaik it's discontinued

that's the mouse i use mostly

the razer naga is okay, once you get used to it you don't mash extra buttons

but the g600 is definitely my fav as well

[outer sky]

Did they replace it with something?

[potent pivot]

dont think so

[indigo hill]

Only the disappointment of not being able to get it anymore.

[jolly sierra]

im checking in this country i am rn and they have g600 as brand new

maybe is because even if we receive new generation stuff in a very ahead way most ppl doesnt have big setups so stock is higher

example: i got a motorola g54 when i was upgrading my phone like 3 months later after launch, but most ppl doesnt upgrade their phone that often and u can even have stuff from like 5 years back in time because those stores still have them in online store

(ngl that phone was one of my best investments overall)

[surreal barn]

G600 best mouse

[nova viper]

Logitech Pro Wireless

[stoic spruce]

I cant with another season of crackshot

I would take lashings to not play that talent

[steel scarab]

Agree, g600 was incredible when I had one years ago

[indigo hill]

They need to rework that spec. Can't so a proper rotation when you're solo cause shadowdance is gone. The whole spec feels to stealth based for what my idea of an outlaw is.

Also the machine gun bte is a bit silly.

Other than that it's a fun spec.

[stoic spruce]

I dont like the damage in windows gameplay

its at way too much of an extreme

[static pawn]

I just really hate how obtuse the timing can be and it can get fucked by latency changes bad

[karmic summit]

any1 have a sub talent tree for trickster

[pliant marsh]

anyone know any good rogues specifically assassin rogues on YouTube I can follow to learn some more?

[plucky escarp]

Shadenox

[potent pivot]

not many people have been actively testing sub, i'll see if i can find anything, but i'd recommend just running what people are running on live

[outer sky]

BtE is at best semi-auto if you get a ton of procs. A talent that actually makes it a machine gun would be awesome though now that you mention it. "Between the Eyes has an X% chance per combo point spent to hit an additional time per combo point spent"

[stoic spruce]

That should be crackshot tbh

[tired crypt]

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

[worthy crag]

[wintry dew]

[surreal barn]

[spring bough]

bout to play my first games with the spellqueuevalue being adjusted by the skill capped

it took it from 400 to 170

[potent pivot]

that is one thing i don't think is very impactful for rogue, personally

[spring bough]

yeah seems more healer oriented

cant play a rogue till mine comes out of remix so testing it out on the DK

[potent pivot]

i think it's a little more noticable on hasted melee?

but definitely useful for casters afaik

[spring bough]

my Dk def over 20% haste lol

[potent pivot]

on a side note - nahj is testing sub atm

not looking too hot

[spring bough]

he used to play a lot of outlaw. did he test that yet? i bet hes gonna have a blast lol

[potent pivot]

he only really plays sub/outlaw afaik

i don't think he's tested outlaw but i have no idea

[spring bough]

that fatebound tuning was so OD its probably going to get halved and still be top damage

[potent pivot]

maybe

but outlaw is looking all that crazy either honestly

[stoic spruce]

pretty mid

[potent pivot]

it's looking decent in pvp, just not OP by any means

[stoic spruce]

its def a spec of all time

and the ace nerf wasnt reverted

so

GGs ig

[signal raven]

does a sin rogue ever ambush?

[potent pivot]

your stealth windows are usually comprised of putting bleeds up or using CC, so very very rarely

if you were for some reason going to mutilate during a stealth window, you'd just ambush instead as it replaces your mutilate button anyway

[spring bough]

its funny how ambush started as daggers only and now outlaw uses it the most LOL

[potent pivot]

though in TWW if sin uses Deathstalker hero talents it will have to ambush every now and then

just to apply Deathstalker's Marks at the beginning of a match etc

[jolly sierra]

and remember can be used into evasions or blurs

in case you dont have alternatives

[potent pivot]

if only it did any damage that'd make that matter

would be dope

[jolly sierra]

can if talented tho but is too much energy to spent xd

[potent pivot]

think i'm going to fully gear 2 rogues in tww

don't want to level another n elf though

[surreal barn]

Just spend the hour on remix

While you can lol

[plucky escarp]

How does death mark work exactly?

Does it duplicate bleeds / poisons that already exist on the target?

Does it duplicate bleeds applied during the duration of the spell?

If I put a garrote on a target with 1 second of death mark left, will it duplicate the full duration of the garrote or just duplicate it for that one second of death mark?

[jolly sierra]

duplicate both currents and appilied

and will just stands for the DM duration

and track its own duration alongside it

[potent pivot]

it's dynamic

[potent pivot]

it usually ends up taking me closer to 3hr lol

[surreal barn]

You gotta do the mailbox trick!

[potent pivot]

if i spent the time to make a twink alt and had homies to q with it'd prolly be faster

[potent pivot]

i do

[surreal barn]

🤔

I just queued heroics 🤷‍♂️

[potent pivot]

and half the time i end up q'ing into someone that's twinking and one shotting everything, that'll requeue a few times

but sometimes that doesn't happen

[surreal barn]

Always nice

[potent pivot]

ah i was wondering

when you hit 25 and want to do the first raid

can you solo that shit? or do you have to LFG?

[surreal barn]

Not sure, I used LFG though

Ngl I get lost in moshu vaults

[potent pivot]

i saw a couple people breeze through all the raids with like 3 people but they had a level 70 with em as well

from what i've read it's best to do MSG at 25, then heart of fear at 35 and then SoO

[surreal barn]

Sounds legit, maybe Royal can run you I think he’s beefed up in
Remix land

[potent pivot]

maybe, don't like to ask folks to go outta their way :d

i do still need to do a dk

[surreal barn]

Wednesday I might do a DH if hurricane doesn’t kill me

TBD

[potent pivot]

I’ve got a DH I haven’t quite finished as well

[surreal barn]

I imagine they are fun in bgs

For soloq

[potent pivot]

I think the first things I’ll ding 80 on are rogue -> rogue -> DH

I bet DKs are as well

[surreal barn]

Similar here but I will rog- hunt- dh

[potent pivot]

Slappy hands in a team fight must feel nice

[surreal barn]

AoE grip is a little over the top

[potent pivot]

I was thinking about leveling my hunter

But if surv isn’t good I usually don’t

I very rarely touch ranged

[surreal barn]

MM is pretty great in beta

I have the hang of it to at least 2.2

[potent pivot]

I also hate dealing with pets

[surreal barn]

It is weird tho ngl

[potent pivot]

[surreal barn]

Yeah same, I made a macro to call pet for roar of sac

And always just start without one and lone wolf it

[potent pivot]

The amount of macros Bicmex has just for surv

It’s insane

I really enjoyed surv in SL

[surreal barn]

Yeah the macros are basically needed

[potent pivot]

Especially in s3 when it was broken in pve

[surreal barn]

I wasn’t around that whole expansion

But sinnen says surv slaps right now

[plucky escarp]

SV is doing a ton of dmg rn but it’s way less fun than it was. Your entire kit is just spamming explosive shot rng aoe dmg.

[potent pivot]

Sounds somewhat similar to SL surv

I like

[spring bough]

shit you not. in a 1900 rated game. and this guy at DR goes "IT WONT CAP. SOMEONE COME" like bro..... that base isnt active

[halcyon timber]

too much home depot paint thinner in the boy's noggin

I'm unsure if a lot of people don't read / cannot read. The same individuals do not look up how things work in different modes or use common sense or anything.

[swift smelt]

ele?

[spring bough]

nah it was definitely a healing monk sitting at DR lmao

[outer sky]

havent checked in in a while. Any new tunings?

[solemn frigate]

Is sub tuned super low on pre patch? Feels like i cant kill anything.

[outer sky]

yes

Its because of armor

every class dealing heavy physical damage is suffering on pre patch

@potent pivot can we pin this info?

we get several people asking every day

May be worth pinning for the next few weeks

[solemn frigate]

@outer sky oh my bad. Then it is probably not all me 😂

Have you tried the beta? If so, how does sub feel on there?

[outer sky]

its definitely not all you. Sub, outlaw, arms, fury, windwalker, beast mastery, and marksmanship are all in the gutter right now. Survival and feral are a bit better but not great

[outer sky]

Yes sub is the weakest of the rogue specs on beta right now and rogues in general are mid tier

[solemn frigate]

Well damn. Just gotta play really solid then!

[outer sky]

we suspect it will get buffed before it goes live, or if not then within a few weeks of going live

[solemn frigate]

One can hope. Thanks for answering! 🙌

[sharp sierra]

Exactly....I thouhgt Outlaw to be more of an out of stealth fighter and be more hand to hand combat based shit....I can't 1v1 shit anymore. They buff Main Gouche damage for no reasen when we play into Vers/Crit not mast...thye supposedly buffed all ability damage by 20% I don't feel that either.

Also it feels like all the other classes have so much self-healing power...I give it my all and then they just heal through it...

[indigo hill]

I hope they at least tune some numbers for us at 80. A badly played mage I can kill now. The rest...not gonna happen.

[winter seal]

is stealth breaking like crazy in bgs or is it just me

[gusty hedge]

i been getting thrown out randomly and im no where close to anyone in combat

[winter seal]

same

constantly standing off to the side tryna figure out who im trying to kill and i just am suddenly standing there in the open

[indigo hill]

Solo bg is always tossing me out of stealth right at the start.

[gusty hedge]

outlaw still feels good rn. pvp wise even with low numbers. hoping we catch up in damage once at max lvl tww. Without acro it feels clunky but im starting to change play style from hopping in and out of range to being on they ass cc/stunning them and going for reatealth repeat all that with little to no damage tho

[gusty hedge]

they do that in the lobby and right after the 2 min count down for about 3-5 secs then you should be able to stealth

[tight vector]

I'm looking into getting in pvp for rated blitz, but I've been seeing a lot of rant on reddit from potential sync premade queuing (apparently if your premade queues at the same time, you are more likely to get put in the same team; and then you can just decline if not everyone got the proc). Is that a thing ? Or is there actually some prevention to that that reddit is overlooking (16 ppl get the proc and they are randomly put in the 2 teams, taking only into account healer and duos; put a deserter buff buff like no-show)?

[copper pivot]

That has been a thing in the past for regular bg's. However I do think, especially now early on, that Blitz will be too popular to be able consistently pull that off in a timely manner.

[tight vector]

That's good news !

[waxen meteor]

i am not sure how real it is... but it's kinda fun to watch.
you really able to kill a mage?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGB3MLtp1O4

[indigo hill]

That's against a war. Rogue have more finesse. Also is said badly played mage. 😂

[snow mesa]

does anyone know an addon that brings back the classic cast bar?

[wintry dew]

I have used quartz since forever

[tawdry imp]

what immediate second opener 30 seconds after the first with sub rogue would force a healer to trinket? I'm v. bad at sub rogue so can't tell if he's overreacting or if I should somehow be forcing a trinket with symbols and dance alone

decent players seem to sit in my stun if they see it's just symbols/tea/dance because they think they can tank it

[wintry dew]

It's reddit, people will say a lot of stuff, and half of the stuff said has no real value

[jolly sierra]

for 14? wtf did he smoked

[waxen meteor]

then we must win arena tourament every year

wait we didn't

ask him why

probably because he is just sore losers like some olympic players this year

[steel scarab]

@tawdry imp I think he's thinking of Shadowlands season 1 lmao

Because uh

It hasn't been like this for Subtlety in a while

Healers are so strong now that if the healer isn't CC'ed or your target isn't in a bomb, the target is absolutely not dying

[wintry dew]

not if he's playing at 1000 MMR

[steel scarab]

Well that's fair... but at 1000 MMR you can get away with almost anything and win lol

I remember thinking I was a pvp savant at 1000 MMR, I was basically undefeated in SS with 6-0 every game until I hit 1500 and got a massive reality check

Then I was like, "oh, I am actually not great."

[waxen meteor]

rogue can kill noob easily for sure

and there are plenty of people don't even have trinket at pvp

what can you say

it's more like dude, buy a racket before going to tenis game

and you don't get the racket and cry a rogue bully you

[jolly sierra]

i tend to inspect ppl in skirmishes and some of them are full in pve gear or just dinged out

at least get a trinket dude, just 1

[waxen meteor]

yeah it's horrible

and i remember i was talking to one, asked him to have trinket he said not needed

after winning, he PMed me, and said, see? not needed...

(i was like, yeah of course, i did all the work...)

[jolly sierra]

u should just let urself lose

in that case

i checked one guy, said to him "bruh" he thought was telling him "bro"

then i just said "ur gear" he said "what is wrong?"
told him "is shit"

he was with some wq trinkets and very crappy gear from lfr

guy was lucky was a 2v1

[waxen meteor]

and pve sometimes kills me, forget to swap gear is worst

[steel scarab]

I think that's part of why rogue is so hated, we absolutely dismantle people who don't know how to play at all

[jolly sierra]

oh at least that is an accident

lol

those guys has that gear and seems just go ahead without thinking in consequences

[outer sky]

there's 2 reasons. 1. people like to play super aggressive which means trinketing offensively, giving little thought to positioning, etc. Rogue's severely punish that kind of gameplay so they have to play more tactfully which is less "fun". and 2. We kill people in stuns. Not to say other classes won't kill you in a stun but a rogue damn near always kills you in a stun. In fact we play the whole game around the stun DR. and dying in a stun feels super oppressive because most of the time you can't even try and do anything about it.

[steel scarab]

Agree on all counts. Plus, I'll add one more

Rogues, outside of our extremely oppressive nature in the first few vanilla patches, have been historically difficult to play relative to other classes. Even in vanilla, it took a lot of finesse to beat a Naxx+ geared arms warrior in a duel, employing the bleed kiting tactic by staying outside of the 5 yard but inside the ~20 yard intercept range. Just as an example. And rogues have endured a lot of nerfs over the years, which, in my opinion, has driven a lot of the more casual "bro" players away from the rogue class. So the people who have stuck with the class all these years are... how do I put this

Insanely dedicated individuals

(Don't get me wrong, I'm sure rogues have been overtuned at many other points in WoW history, but my generalization is probably relatively true. Give a brand new player a rogue and another brand new player any other class in any content -- world questing, pvp, dungeons, or questing and there's a decent chance the "other class" is going to have a much easier time at first)

[lunar wigeon]

hey guys Im very new to rogue and I do alot of pvp does anyone mind helping me and teaching me some things on rogue I wanna become better just to learn so I dont waste ur time

[outer sky]

Remove the part about paying please

[lunar wigeon]

ok I apologize

[outer sky]

And yes we're happy to help for free. That's what this discord is for

[lunar wigeon]

But I mean like join a call and like hands on teach me

not thru texting

[outer sky]

I can do vod reviews for you

[lunar wigeon]

Ik it sounds like alot but thats why Im willing to make it worth anyones time

[lunar wigeon]

ok where do we start ?

[outer sky]

Just queue some games, record them, and post them here

or if you have any specific questions first, ask

[lunar wigeon]

O lord um everything I dont know what to do I tried looking at vids but its just hard for me to learn that why I dont use marcos but I wanna learn how to

[outer sky]

The only macros you need as a rogue are focus macros

[lunar wigeon]

I dont know what to do at all

[outer sky]

you can use arena 123 if you want to but you only need focus. Personally I used to use arena 123 and switched to focus so I can use them in RBGs

What spec are you playing?

[lunar wigeon]

whats the best for pvp ?

[outer sky]

right now on retail its assass

[potent pivot]

Yeah, I can maybe make a command for it as well. A lot of people don’t read pins.

[lunar wigeon]

then thats what I wanna do

[potent pivot]

I think you kinda want a sap macro and a dps macro

[outer sky]

oh yeah, a sap macro is good

also a step>sap macro for DHs is good

[lunar wigeon]

I dont know how to do any of that

[potent pivot]

I can link you all of them in a sec

[outer sky]

here's the sap macro he's talking about

#showtooltip sap
/cleartarget
/targetenemyplayer
/cast sap

[lunar wigeon]

I was hoping to hop in a discord and I stream is anyone down for that ?

hopefully Im not asking for to much

[outer sky]

do you know the basic mechanics of the class/spec? Like how to play it in PvE?

[lunar wigeon]

I apologize

[outer sky]

chill dude you're good

[potent pivot]

Vod review is a lot easier

Cause people can get to it when they have time

[lunar wigeon]

yes I do just not rogue I play dh dk frost and unholy and ret pally

this is my rogue time ever touching rogue

[outer sky]

well you need to learn the basics for rogue, like how to damage a training dummy

before you can do anything in pvp

[lunar wigeon]

Im at valdrakken at the dummy

[outer sky]

for assass its all about keeping your bleeds up

you want garrote, rupture, and crimson tempest on as many targets as possible and also to have slice and dice up

then you spend combo points on reapplying rupture when you need to>reapplying crimson tempest when you need to>reapplying slice and dice when you need to>envenom

And Kidney Shot if you want to stun something

you build combo points with mutilate if you can only hit 1 target and fan of knives if you can hit 2+

you can also fan of knives to build combo points on 1 target if you're energy starved or only need 1 combo point

[potent pivot]

I feel like he should really check out iceyveins

[lunar wigeon]

I usally use Iceyveins

[potent pivot]

He can learn all that basic rotation stuff there

[lunar wigeon]

but I feel like rogue is the hardest class to playto me

[potent pivot]

All the basics you need to know are in the guide

[lunar wigeon]

I learn easier by someone showing me thats why I was wondering if Im not asking to much by having someone please join a call with me and teach me

[outer sky]

yeah notrickz is right, once you get the very basics down, like how to do max dps to a target dummy, then we can help

[potent pivot]

You gotta learn what all your buttons do first and foremost

[lunar wigeon]

Ive look at alot of vids

[outer sky]

because right now all we're going to say is whats in the icey veins guide

but feel free to record a game and post it

[lunar wigeon]

Im trying to do pvp but not rn I want to figure out what I need to be pressing and how to set up marcos

[potent pivot]

Yeah if you read the guide while hitting a dummy you should be able to get the hang of it

Macros can come later, but there’s also all the macros in the guide

It has all the same ones

[outer sky]

yeah if you dont know what the buttons do then the macros wont help you much

[potent pivot]

[lunar wigeon]

Lol. man my brain is melting rn lol

[outer sky]

rogue is mostly a priority based class, we don't have much of a "rotation"

[lunar wigeon]

ok Ill just try to look at a guide or vid again

[potent pivot]

read all your tool tips really well

that's something you'll prolly be doing 10 times over the next couple weeks

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/it-send-full-now-nofud-gif-12490865456663138481

[surreal barn]

Pretty big API update for xmog guys

Kinda want to make a website

But do I have the time 🤔

[potent pivot]

wdym

[gusty hedge]

first macro i started out with was burst macro, which for me was just trinket and shadowdance/killingspree. saves me time pressing 1 button then to press 2.
This is basic tho. usually abilities you would use back to back that can be macrod together (can be used and not go on cd when one is used) / not locked to same GCD

[surreal barn]

Thinking data for azeroth - but xmog

[lunar wigeon]

ok

[gusty hedge]

there are cast sequence macros, not sure if people still use them or if they go against tos. 1 button to spam your rotation etc

[lunar wigeon]

I wanna do that

wait what Im confused about is what skills should I have on my bar when I go stealth

[potent pivot]

no

no no no

[gusty hedge]

def your main skills that are only usable in stealth forsure, aside from that you can have some cc like stun sap sprint shadowstep

[potent pivot]

you do not want to do that i promise

cast sequence macros are dogwater and break more often than work

[lunar wigeon]

so Garrote Rupture Shiv Envenom Mutilate ?

[potent pivot]

take the time to learn what your abilities do

[lunar wigeon]

wait I dont know whats usable in stealtth

[potent pivot]

everything is usable in stealth, some abilities are ONLY usable in stealth. ambush, sap, cheapshot

[gusty hedge]

def test out, get to a training dummy and open skillbook and start setting up action bars imo,

[lunar wigeon]

ok

[gusty hedge]

thats true! i just started to test them out from a video i seen for outlaw but i dont like it very niche and doesnt always work cuz too much rng

[potent pivot]

i helped some people set up one shot macros in SL

like whenever sub had a one shot, whenever assa had big envenom mfd one shot, also when it had vendetta legendary one shot

and even doing a few basic GCD's just doesn't work half of the time

they're so bad for pvp, they work against you learning what you should actually do

[jolly sierra]

i still recall something like that like 10 years ago

u had pally t2 and illidan blindfold and the most common xmogs according to metrics

[lunar wigeon]

ok i got the hang of it

how to do use this marco

Opener Cast Sequence Macro - /castsequence reset=15 cheap shot, Deathmark, Garrote, Shiv, Rupture, Thistle Tea, Cold Blood, Kingsbane

can someone help me use that marco or how to do it

[jolly sierra]

DONT USE CAST SEQUENCE MACROS AND LEARN UR STUFF

that shit is predictable af, just dont

[lunar wigeon]

SORRY

[jolly sierra]

if u are asking for stuff to use in stealth

put ambush in the same slot where is mutilate

garrote too
cheap shot should be in the bar
sap
kidney shot
kingsbane (for now)
rupture

shroud of concealment and pick pocket are most for pve

distract is fine, but not game breaker

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

also dont deathmark at start

[potent pivot]

after everything i said

[jolly sierra]

[potent pivot]

nothing

the sequence macro shit

[lunar wigeon]

lol

[potent pivot]

if you truly want to learn rogue and play pvp it's going to require time and effort

if you already know how to play dh and dk, then all you really need to do is read up, practice on a dummy and in BG's

[lunar wigeon]

yea

[jolly sierra]

nice now trickz is broken

[outer sky]

I keep my stealth bar the same as my non stealth bar except I replace mutilate with ambush

[plucky escarp]

^ same

[waxen meteor]

I have a bad habit my 1 is mutilate and 1 in stealth is sap macro

it's a bad habit from like 10 years ago.....

so if i hit 1 when i accidentally enter stealth bar, it stops attack :((((

did too much duel in tbc/wlk, sap macro just too much needed in rogue internal duel

[outer sky]

@lunar wigeon Shiv is mostly for the increased bleed damage so you can press it whenever you have pressure. the only time it's scripted is before you press Kingsbane you want to shiv

[lunar wigeon]

ok

[plucky escarp]

I'vve had things like that too. I ended up just using it as an opportunity to learn like, sap arena123. So I completely changed the bind of one

[waxen meteor]

oh my sap macro is try to sap whatever appears

so when two rogues reaching out to each other, you don't need to select him and sap

[indigo hill]

This solo blitz as a rogue is a pain to do...

[potent pivot]

TWW Prepatch Issue

Armor values are either bugged or scaled for level 80, so physical damage is much weaker than it was before 11.0.0, this is causing Outlaw and somewhat Subtlety to feel unplayable currently.

TWW Beta Bug Lists

Moved into Threads:

Assassination

Subtlety

Outlaw

[gusty hedge]

i feel you, atleast for outlaw lol, i got up to 1789 then went on a losing streak. ended up calling it quits when i climbed back to 1700. 6 -10 points on win but 16-20 on loss. then blizz puts me in low mmr lobbies where the 2nd highest rating is 700 while im 1700+😭

[indigo hill]

Probably have to switch to ass. Not my favorite spec but at least it can do some damage.

Think rogues and monks are pretty much useless atm.

Which happen to be my 2 favorite classes...

[gusty hedge]

thats what everyone keeps saying too, havent played sin since mop

[potent pivot]

!nodamage

[lethal roost]

Armor values are either bugged or scaled for level 80, so physical damage is much weaker than it was before 11.0.0, this is causing Outlaw and somewhat Subtlety to feel unplayable currently.

[gusty hedge]

oh man

[potent pivot]

@outer sky

[outer sky]

awesome thanks

[potent pivot]

now it's in the pins and under the command !nodamage

if anyone asks

[indigo hill]

I knew about the problem. I'm just gonna be annoyed at it till it's fixed. 😂

[potent pivot]

we are likely stuck with it until level 80

[gusty hedge]

early access is gonna be nice to lvl up before global , i cant wait

[gusty hedge]

im down to bg sometime if you gettin into pvp

[lunar wigeon]

yes pls

[gusty hedge]

all i really do is log in to pvp /bg/wpvp and bs in cities outside capitols

[lunar wigeon]

gotchu

[warped gate]

Damn, you got me hyped for no reason, I thought you was announcing a fix.

[potent pivot]

nah just posting up the info because there's been quite a few people that have come in asking why they're doing no damage etc

i think whaazz is testing outlaw rn

[potent pivot]

@outer sky subt is mostly fixed

Current outlaw bug list: credit: @open thunder
-# - The Ambush casted by Sinister Strike during Audacity is different than regular Ambush -- it has a chance strike 3 times and grant 6 Opportunity stacks.
-# - Casting Adrenaline Rush with it already active will lower your energy by 50, then fill that energy because of Improved Adrenaline Rush, and then increase your max energy by 50 without filling it (effectively cheating you out of 50 energy).
-# - Keep it Rolling's buff extensions are capped at 60 seconds.
-# - After the removal of acro and the increase to 8 yard of Blade Flurry's cleaving range, the cast range is now shorter than its active range.
-# - Grappling Hook will fire but fail to move the player if some part of the environment is obstructing its path, and then go on cooldown.
-# - Roll the Bones buffs will sometimes stay behind after rerolling for no apparent reason, not related to our container buff theory.
-# - Ghostly Strike uptime is not recorded in combat logs.
-# - The Dispatch from Crackshot can consume an Animacharged combo point if you use Ghostly Strike to quickly get to one after a BtE.
-# - Breaking Stealth or Vanish with a trinket will not grant Subterfuge.
-# - Recasting Stealth while Subterfuge is already active will not grant you UHUH or Crackshot bonuses until Subterfuge expires.
-# - Casting Vanish at nearly the same millisecond that a previous Subterfuge ends will cause Crackshot to not activate.
-# - On rare occasions Crackshot BtEs will not fire a Dispatch for the remainder of a particular stealth window.

-# Blizzard seems to also be trying to work on stealth on beta, a number of new bugs have since appeared:
-# - Casting/Channeling while in Stealth will now break it
-# - The first Subterfuge window that given by exiting Stealth is bugged in a multitude of ways:
-# - Stance bar dont activate, nor [stealth] macros and you cannot use spells that require stealth (seems fixed as of 8/6)
-# - The dispatch from BtEs Crackshot won't go off
-# - ~~ If your first gcd to break stealth is bte it goes on cooldown~~ (seems fixed as of 8/6)
-# - And finally this new bug, if BtE is on cd, you are in stealth, use a finisher (other than bte), it will visually "reset" bte cd, you will then be able to press the spell, but it wont go off, this should last until your bte cooldown is actually back.

-# - Entering Stealth right as Subterfuge expire will break Stealth
-# - Mounting a dragonriding mount while Stealthedsometimes won't activate dragonriding

-# The positive is that you can now cast trinkets from stealth which will no longer just break stealth, but will also give subterfuge (to note, breaking vanish with a trinket wont grant subterfuge nor crackshot)

[halcyon timber]

A little over 2 weeks and everything is cool.

[potent pivot]

my logitech g600 is fucking up man

left click doesn't want to stay held down

Outlaw TWW bugs

Sub TWW Bugs

Sin TWW Bugs

[lunar wigeon]

yo whats the dps macro

[potent pivot]

it's just putting together on use trinket and shit with your CDs

[lunar wigeon]

not using it yet but send it to me for later

[potent pivot]

what spec are you playing

[lunar wigeon]

ass

[potent pivot]

then it's basically just macroing trinket to your kingsbane

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/use 13 (DEPENDS WHICH SLOT YOU HAVE TRINKET IN)
/cast Thistle Tea
/cast Kingsbane

you can add other stuff to it like Tea for example

[jolly sierra]

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/use Draconic Gladiator's Badge of Ferocity
/cast Kingsbane

dont advice for tea TBH

[lunar wigeon]

ok

[jolly sierra]

sometimes it didnt timed well

so it just consumed a charge and didnt KBed even in target in sight

i would precast it before KB and then use it

[potent pivot]

i've never had that issue idk

could've been some jank because of GCD, SQW and your ping

[jolly sierra]

once i used it and just consumed a tea

then used it and did both

but dunno

for risking a min CD

[potent pivot]

yeah if your ping spiked that could've caused that

[jolly sierra]

i wont use it

maybe is

i have 200ms always

[potent pivot]

i've never had an issue idk

[open thunder]

do you guys use gouge in pvp

[potent pivot]

yes

[jolly sierra]

always

[open thunder]

it was 20s yes ?

[jolly sierra]

wtf

25?

[potent pivot]

20 CD?

ye

[open thunder]

cause its 25s now

cd

[potent pivot]

tww beta talent tree shows 20

on wowhead anyway

[open thunder]

well it was hotfixed like 1 h ago

[jolly sierra]

huh

lemme see

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-hehehe-gift-racoon-hand-gif-775074914789379772

[potent pivot]

yeah wowhead shows it as 20s

[open thunder]

yes but wowhead isnt up to date

[potent pivot]

ik

[open thunder]

since its like 1 h ago or smth

[jolly sierra]

ah meh then

[open thunder]

well

[jolly sierra]

is not big of a deal anyways

[open thunder]

idk bit strange change and unnanounced

i guess its used in pvp so its a pvp nerf maybe

we dont use it at all in pve

[potent pivot]

really

it's a good stop

[jolly sierra]

its used against caster precog bots

[potent pivot]

i'm surprised

[open thunder]

aoe blind is kinda op in m+ lol

[potent pivot]

true

didn't even think of that

[jolly sierra]

cuz fuckers baits the interrupt

[potent pivot]

outlaw is actually looking pretty good

[stoic spruce]

The ace nerf for crackshot tho

Never got reverted :/

[inland thorn]

What talents do people use in prepatch?

trying to get full conq gear before I have to lvl in warmode

(Also I just wanna pvp)

On sin

[potent pivot]

You know you can level with war mode off right?

It usually ends up being faster too

[inland thorn]

I know and I don't want to

[potent pivot]

Check murlok.io for talents

[stoic spruce]

Yeah Trickz he don't wanna

[potent pivot]

I tend to level with war mode off

It’s way too annoying solo leveling when there’s always groups of alliance ganking solos

[jolly sierra]

i hate pve zones leveling

why bothering if i can just vanish restealth and wait

also im the one attacking ppl in outdoor most of time xdd

[inland thorn]

Honor still isn't transferable?

Why do people take the FoK talents & crimson in 2s

[potent pivot]

because they do dam

mut and envenom dmg is pretty bad

you can drop IC+CT for DB+SBS into some match ups

[potent pivot]

you can buy honor boxes

[inland thorn]

I can't find em at the honor vendor

[potent pivot]

ah maybe there's only conq boxes atm

[spring bough]

i thought they did reverse it??

[spring bough]

they removed the honor boxes

[swift smelt]

yeah they got rid of em, and the trophy honor sink

[halcyon timber]

Devs also talked about increasing knockbacks and stuff for other classes and reducing evoker to match previous CDs as they plan on updating evokers to be more classes. (source is a yt short they released about half an hour ago or so.)

[opal bone]

outlaw is saved

[spring bough]

@potent pivot
Since I’m no longer using Elv Ui. Saw this and it goes perfect with the wow ui for details

https://www.reddit.com/r/WowUI/s/5QIjlrouul

[outer sky]

im confused didnt this already happen

[stoic spruce]

Yeah this was from a while ago

I think about a week ago

[outer sky]

damn so no new buffs since

[potent pivot]

i can't stand the objective tracker

looks cool for those who don't hide the objective tracker tho

[spring bough]

objective tracker? im oblivious lol

[outer sky]

the shit on the right of your screen that shows quest objectives and whatnot

[spring bough]

oh i dont use that it crowds up the screen. only pops up for dungeons / raids lol

i was using kaliels tracker for a while but idt that is updated

[outer sky]

Damn

rogues just took a slight nerf on beta

nothing major but still

https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-tuning-hotfixes-august-6th-the-war-within-beta-345699?utm_source=discord-webhook

new tuning post

WW monk got another mobility nerf that they 100% didnt need

[gritty bobcat]

what baout the snare nerfs?

we need nerfs to snares from frost mages

that shit is horrible for melee

[outer sky]

They buffed ray of frost lol

[gritty bobcat]

id rather mages have

3 ray of frost charges

then any roots

[outer sky]

The roots are fine honestly they just need to put displacement and blast wave on a choice node together

That would solve that

[potent pivot]

Insanely small lol

Lock observer nerfed ye?

Also destro nerfs

[outer sky]

I mean, it may make us delay the go for a couple seconds if wanting to gouge the healer since gouge in now desynced from the DR

they still didnt add any numbers to fatal intent

just made it scale with vers

the WW nerf actually pisses me off

They're already doing sub par damage and half less mobility than they did last season

now they have even less

Idk what blizzard is thinking

they cant make a spec do nothing but damage AND make that damage mid tier at best AND make it easy to kite

like

what

its literally the only other spec in the game that's not a rogue that's fun to play and their gutting it

[potent pivot]

doesn't ww have decent defensives/heals?

i've never played one

[outer sky]

no LOL

And they have even less now that they removed dampen harm

which was a shit CD anyway, you had to pair it with fort brew to save yourself

the healing is shit

you get 1 big vivify like evert 45s and by big I mean maybe a 20-25% heal

if that

the only good defensive is karma

and its not even that great, it can be eaten through pretty quickly

Soothing Mist is so garbage for WW we dont even take it anymore

expel harm was alwas bad but at least you could control when you pressed it and maybe save yourself 1/100 times

now its a proc

so

garbage

So roll had its CD increased by 3s, flying serpent kick had its CD increased by 10s, we lost keefers dash entirely, and all we got to supplement it was Clash which had a 45s CD that's now been increased to a minute

top that off with the fact that our damage is 30% lower relatively to what it was in S4

and no additional CC

1 less defensive

absolute trash tier

They reduced the CD on fort brew but also made it a weaker defensive at the same time

[potent pivot]

man

you like monk a lot don't you

you oughta post on the feedback forum fr

long thought out posts like that are good

[outer sky]

It's the class I play when I don't want to think too much. It's toolkit is so limited that you only really think about doing damage and staying alive. Which after playing my rogue a lot is kind of nice. But also frustrating at the same time because of that limited toolkit. But it's nice just to sit back and just do damage. It also plays like a rogue in a way where you're getting in and out because monks are also pretty squishy. And the chi building and spending is different from combo points but still similar enough that it feels intuitive to me.

[waxen meteor]

that's what i think when i log on dh

wwwwwwww!

sometimes just chilling

[outer sky]

And WW mastery is the best mastery effect in the game IMO because it rewards you for not pressing the same button twice which keeps the rotation engaging and also somewhat "rhythmic" if that makes sense

[waxen meteor]

we got same talent on sub tree

[outer sky]

Like once I get into the WW rotation groove I'm doing an IRL Zen Meditation

[potent pivot]

true i've always heard the mastery is dope

[jolly sierra]

WW mastery is crazy af

[potent pivot]

i just dislike monks/brawlers thematically

[jolly sierra]

cuz dmg increase is direct

[potent pivot]

i lke the theme of rogues/reapers n shit