pvp

[jolly sierra]

done to a DH in a shuffle

speed buffed w a funny trinket i have which procs per min

stars alignned and both sprint and buff up

this is the trinket just for curiosity @potent pivot

[potent pivot]

lmao

[jolly sierra]

lvl 70 gang rise up

[nova viper]

@jolly sierra seeeeeeeeeeeexo

[grave basin]

Apparently beta shuffles are popping off

Cause retail is too fucked ATM

But also apparently someone has been vanishing 41 times in an arena and being unlosable

@outer sky

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[nova viper]

Sup spanish hotel boss

[lucid citrus]

what? lol i need to see this gameplay

[grave basin]

Yea someones been naughty

[lucid citrus]

how do you know?

[grave basin]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/rogues-bugged-on-beta-please-do-not-fix/1903189

😂

[jolly sierra]

sup polish super soldier, how is all going lol

im farming gold for TWW here, looks very viable

[nova viper]

War on east, border bad situation and 1800 on my mage

[jolly sierra]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFF

god ur situation overall is direr than i expected for a reply

u ok dude?

[nova viper]

Yes yes

[jolly sierra]

nice nice

hope ur situation turn better and reach 2k1 w the mage KEK

[nova viper]

[jolly sierra]

[potent pivot]

he posted a screenshot yesterday of like 18 vanish casts in 1 arena

[potent pivot]

hotel boss? discounts for the homies?

[jolly sierra]

hope so lol now i got replaced in my position to bring a newcomer bruh

[lucid citrus]

ohh thank youou lol

[wanton breach]

@potent pivotdid you find out wether it's possible to acquire df elite sets in the off season?

[vale basalt]

calling it the best bug is a bit much by whoever wrote that thread. personally I think the shadowstep bug that let us shadowstep anywhere in the world was the best one

what's wrong with retail shuffle btw?

[stoic spruce]

Elite or conquest set? Those are 2 very different things.

[wanton breach]

the transmog sets, not the weapons

[stoic spruce]

Yeah the conquest that you buy and elite that you earn.

[grave basin]

Have you played it?

It's just ele sham and uh Dks farming everyone

[stoic spruce]

Teehee

May or may not be me (it's not, prepatch boring atm)

[outer sky]

Problem is you don't get the bug every time. But when you do it's great!

[grave basin]

Think I'm gonna be a beta gamer till release

Really tried to enjoy retail but people fotm reroll so quick it's disgusting

I haven't had a single lobby without an ele or DK or both

[outer sky]

Yeah ele is popping off

[grave basin]

Ele doing everyone's damage combined

[outer sky]

They're really good on beta too

[grave basin]

Gonna try warrior, heard collosus is fun

[outer sky]

Lost double bladestorm though

[grave basin]

Eh, maybe even feral

[potent pivot]

nop not yet

need someone to post here if they hit 1800 for the first time in "S4" and get the set

[indigo hill]

I'll give it a go. Haven't done that one yet. Just need to turn of all my chats so I dint have to see people yell at me for sucking at rogue. 🤣

[gusty hedge]

combat log ftw

[stoic spruce]

This is what the purpose of combat log truly is

[gusty hedge]

[stoic spruce]

All those years of the combat log all lead to this one particular game mode.

[grave basin]

the absolute state of retail

[indigo hill]

Gonna be ele and dk all month

[wintry axle]

2x gladiator weapons or 2 tier for the remainder of the prepatch?

[grave basin]

it's a beta for 1month angle

how do i get my macros to stick man

it's so annoying

everytime i log out my macros dissapear

[potent pivot]

do what?

[grave basin]

@potent pivot are you bneta

beta

am i bugged to shit or what, when im in subterfuge it says im not in stealth

and it swaps to my non stealth bar

[potent pivot]

i don't have it but yes subterfuge is pretty buggy on beta

[surreal barn]

I been having fun with monk 👀

I think it will be a solid choice as well next season

[outer sky]

Cheap shot can't be used during subterfuge on beta. Also our pvp talents aren't working half the time. Like I'll take smoke bomb and/or disarm and they'll still be greyed out during the fight

[potent pivot]

is it during subterfuge after regularly stealthed or after vanish or both?

[outer sky]

Both

[potent pivot]

and that's the first i've heard of the pvp talent thing

trying to think of what could be causing that

i think they're working on stance bars for stealth or something along those lines and that's why subterfuge is broken

apparently you can't ambush during it either sometimes

[grave basin]

i cant use any stealth ability

it just says not in stealth

i mean thats kinda gamebreaking lol

just made a gnome warrior , pretty fun to line up all your demolish stacks into a cs window

[jolly sierra]

lava burst goes brrrr

[outer sky]

You can't garrote silence?

[grave basin]

i can

i mean like sap or shadow strike

i mean not being able to cheap itself is pretty big

nbut yea sub is completely bricked

and i cant cs as assa

[wintry axle]

how is kingsbane on beta? I can imagine its pretty damp?

[outer sky]

it hits as hard as it hits on retail

which is really bad considering people have 6x the health

[wintry axle]

haha yiiikes

[jolly sierra]

how tf can scales that shitty lol

[outer sky]

I dont really get it to be honest

the tooltip is showing a number 2.5x what it shows on retail

yet in a game its doing the same damage as on retail

and vers is lower on beta than retail

so really i dont understand

if someone wants to explain that to me I'm all ears

[jolly sierra]

i think formula was not fully done yet

cuz ye, yesterday argued w trickz about that and if a player has like 2.5m HP or so in TWW

then the KB should do like 800k dmg to be considered "decent"

like in retail with our 370-450k KBs

considered around 1.5m average HP from PvP

[surreal barn]

What is mastery on beta sitting at

% wise

[outer sky]

Look out boys and girls, there's a new rival in town

[outer sky]

I have max possible mastery and I'm at 55%

[surreal barn]

That’s the reason tbh

[outer sky]

i dont see why that would matter if the tooltip is still showing much bigger numbers

if the tooltip shows 2.5x dam it should do 2.5x dam

[surreal barn]

Even with the extra agi the multiplier has to be higher on retail I guess

Unless big

Bug

Do we still have to run kingsbane on beta though?

[outer sky]

yes

[surreal barn]

Lame.

You tried out sub trickster yet

It’s pretty fun lol

[outer sky]

ive tried sub not trickster though

[surreal barn]

That distract smoke bomb is gonna be so fun in bgs

[outer sky]

oh

nvm

I did try it

I'm using it to juke trinkets

theyll for sure change the animation

right now its too similar to smoke bomb

[surreal barn]

They won’t,l

BUT

Bigdebuffs will be looked at more

Seeing the distract cd on your head for 90 seconds

[potent pivot]

people will have like ~7m hp

KB was also nerfed

either way i think it's kinda irrelevant rn

hope for more tunning

[outer sky]

We love to see it folks

[potent pivot]

the tooltip in actual arena ye?

[outer sky]

yes

[potent pivot]

yeah that's odd

did you report that as a bug by chance

[jolly sierra]

lemme calculate again then

[jolly sierra]

tell him "yes"

this sound reasonable compared to a fucker doing 5m chaos bolts, right?

[potent pivot]

i mean

there's zero chance 5m chaos bolts make it to live

considering they already nerfed KB's instant dmg

i'd say 900k-1m is understandable

[surreal barn]

Idk man, Retpocolypse happened

As I say the word a shiver runs down my neck

[potent pivot]

yeah i mean you never know, some shit slips through the cracks

[jolly sierra]

nothing was worse than ret from DF s1 dude

[potent pivot]

sometimes they do tuning every week, sometimes it takes months

[jolly sierra]

guy could flip on u on any moment and then u are dead

for just a moment

i felt i reached heaven

[potent pivot]

i just think they noticed KB was damn near a death sentence at -35% hp and changed it for that reason

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-gojo-satoru-jujutsu-kaisen-ascending-gif-5657713710307592216

[jolly sierra]

ofc

[jolly sierra]

we also deserve some love u know lolol

[potent pivot]

yeah ofc i agree

i also think there's more pressing things they prolly have to worry about first, thinking realistically

[jolly sierra]

did they nerfed the insta dmg but improved the dot?

[potent pivot]

there's still A LOT of bugs

[potent pivot]

ye

[jolly sierra]

so, DF wise and across all nerfs, what would u consider a decent dmg for a KB?

still keep my position about hitting like 1/5 hp in one hit

for a min cd

[potent pivot]

i think that's just a bad POV

how many abilities were there that hit 500k consistently even in s4

[jolly sierra]

the difference is we used it as an execute or burst window

most of assa dmg is garrote

[potent pivot]

ye but it doesn't really matter how you use it right

[jolly sierra]

those fuckers maybe hit like 500k in very infrequent windows and just distributed their dmg around that

[potent pivot]

how many other abilities did that much dmg in the game

[jolly sierra]

chaos bolt comes to my head

[potent pivot]

i think if healthpools in s1 are going to be 7m, then KB doing ~1m is perfectly fine

if you get one off when someones that low it's almost like a ToD, then we also have sudden demise behind it

[jolly sierra]

five millions chaos bolt sounds funny af anyways

[jolly sierra]

ye

[potent pivot]

could be that we just drop KB altogether

but DB+SBS would need to out damage you pressing KB on CD

KB dot does good dam too

[jolly sierra]

personally im thinking in considering binding cold blood to a DFA

with timed deathstalker stacks

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm kinda hoping something like that is actually viable personally

[jolly sierra]

lemme check the tree

[potent pivot]

that kind of build would likely require DTB and Amp

unless we actually have good shiv goes, maybe running hemo w/o wound could work

[jolly sierra]

how to u think it interacts w cold blood? like crit with chaos bolts?

we need some testing tho

[potent pivot]

nah it won't do more dmg the more crit you have

[jolly sierra]

i see

[potent pivot]

you don't need CB for it

[jolly sierra]

ye, then is just better to bind it to KB anyways

[potent pivot]

you'd take Alacrity+Deeper Strat

it's already guaranteed crit

more combo points=more dmg

[jolly sierra]

i thought we were still on lethality + CB plan

[potent pivot]

i don't think CB is worth the way things stand rn

[jolly sierra]

hmm

[untold remnant]

Don’t need, the stack makes max cp envenom guaranteed crit

[jolly sierra]

nono that just talked w trickz

thought worked like w chaos bolt

[potent pivot]

envenom modifiers:
Rapid Injection +10%
Deeper Stat +5%
Sanguine Strat +5%
Amp poison +35%
Deathstalker +60%
Shiv +30%
DfA +40%?
Symbolic Victory +10%

what am i missing

[untold remnant]

They need to fix Fatal Intent. Currently does no damage..

I mean design wise. Add death stalker mark to either ambush, cheap shot or garrote from stealth. That way you can use it in all types of content.

Then the fatal intent loop into zoldyck, into sudden demise is nice

[potent pivot]

there's like +185% dmg total on top of envenom when you line everything up

[jolly sierra]

death from above
mastery
symbolic victory/lingering darkness

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm not bothering adding mastery atm just talents

[jolly sierra]

add DFA then

[potent pivot]

^^

i did a minute ago

[jolly sierra]

got it then

[potent pivot]

so +195%

[jolly sierra]

doesnt sounds like something so hard to reach i think

u already set up w shiv and need to wait till darkest night is up

its all i think

maybe u need to time up with some on-use trinket?

[potent pivot]

main thing i want to know is the duration of darkest night

and whether it's a target debuff or personal buff

[jolly sierra]

we need a guy in beta

for that

[potent pivot]

if it's a personal buff and long enough duration and you can bank it, would be pretty good

i have a feeling that's not the case

[jolly sierra]

hmmmmmmmm

we can know that right now

but need the right guy for that

XD

BTW this shit still sells well

just in case

50g per 3 marks of honor

[outer sky]

https://www.twitch.tv/raztvx/clip/PrettyConsiderateKangarooTooSpicy-1rTCd8A_o2kmJrW7

lmfao good 'ol shadowlands

[blissful osprey]

looks like on murlok io a lot of rogue are running crimson tempest build in 2's (assassination)

can anyone confirm if this is the meta for 2s even?

I'm new to assassination rogue pvp

[outer sky]

yes

confirmed

[jolly sierra]

what did he said? it sounds way too low

lol

[outer sky]

he's reading a comment. "How do you counter assa in general? I find it hard to deal with the pressure once the dots start to roll. I'm playing a warrior"

Raz just says "I'm not going to tell you. Sorry"

[outer sky]

don't feel like you have to though. The only times CT is mandatory in 2s is vs evokers, hunters, demo locks, and UDKs

[blissful osprey]

thank you!

[tawdry imp]

maybe I've just screwed up my talent tree since prepatch but I feel like I get away with vanish successfully a lot less than I used to

[potent pivot]

vanish stealth drops after 1.5 seconds now instead of 3 seconds if you press it mid active combat/with dots on you etc

[jolly sierra]

XD

i recall when ppl come from other discords asking how to deal w rogues here

[tawdry imp]

yeah, I think I'm feeling that a lot now

swore I popped cloak before but still somehow ended slowed and eventually hit with aoe again

[outer sky]

I've actually come to find that nerf to be pretty unimpactful

[tawdry imp]

to be fair I've only played a little bit and immediately complained about it

but mostly because it was literally never an issue then I had a problem with it several times in one game

probably just need to adapt

[jolly sierra]

starlink can you test something in beta again?

[outer sky]

sure watcha need?

[jolly sierra]

maybe we can theorize w trickz knowing this but

we need to know about darkest night buff for envenom

as aura (if is a buff, debuff, has duration and stuff like that)

[potent pivot]

it should be a self buff

but i'm curious of the duration

[outer sky]

It has a 30s duration

and it is indeed a self buff

[potent pivot]

mmm

[jolly sierra]

got it

that can be very approachable i think

[potent pivot]

that means your big envenom can be used on any target

[jolly sierra]

ye

and can be timed in a kill window

without issues

[potent pivot]

only thing that sucks is, if envenom does end up doing big dam, people will start tracking it

so when you have the buff they try to counterplay etc

also dunno if it can be purged

[outer sky]

I just tested on a training dummy. Darkest night+Shiv+tea+cold blood for crit hit for 1.9m

[potent pivot]

you don't need CB

[outer sky]

oh youre right

sorry

regardless

[potent pivot]

no worries

[outer sky]

1.9m

[potent pivot]

try 7 combo point

[outer sky]

ok sec

[potent pivot]

with 10 stacks of amp poison too

[jolly sierra]

we both forgot the tea

lol

[potent pivot]

nah i didn't want to add any secondary stats to the %dmg

was just adding up all the raw %dmg

[jolly sierra]

hm

[potent pivot]

we don't know for sure how much %mast we will have

[jolly sierra]

is still a raw dmg increase on envenom imo for % buff

[potent pivot]

so we can just theorize 30-50% or something, it's whatever really

yeah but it's an uncertain variable

[jolly sierra]

just adding that i say

[potent pivot]

i was adding up the dmg we'd have no matter what

stats come last

[outer sky]

ok

I went all in poison build

played this

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

got 10 stacks of amp poison

tea>shiv>darkest night

2.7m envenom on a training dummy

[potent pivot]

[wild mango]

for arena or bg blitz?

[jolly sierra]

did u used DFA w that?

[potent pivot]

what

[jolly sierra]

remember dmg does raise w that

[outer sky]

no lol

let me try dfa

thatll be funny

[jolly sierra]

k

lol

[potent pivot]

that's a random piss build for testing on beta

[wild mango]

gotchya

[outer sky]

YO

@jolly sierra You might be onto something bro

I just hit a 5.5m envenom on the training dummy

using DFA

[potent pivot]

leave me out

i see how it is

[outer sky]

DFA was the kicker sorry

[jolly sierra]

HAHAHAHAHHAHA

i knew it

[potent pivot]

we've been at this for a while lmao

also

oops

we'd prolly play this

[outer sky]

I'm still skeptical of it though tbh

[potent pivot]

dropping CT for something maybe

[jolly sierra]

i think that is the new KB, the timed envenom

maybe we can bind the on use trinket there

[potent pivot]

those modifiers stack up nice

[outer sky]

it wont hid as hard on a player in a game

hit*

say it hits 4m

you need everything to line up

if you dont kill

your dam is kinda fucked

its super all in

[potent pivot]

really @untold remnant came up with the idea

he was testing it a few days ago

[outer sky]

I just queued for a SS

I'll try it out

[potent pivot]

i mean even without the Darkest Night and Dfa on every envenom

envenom should still do somewhat decent dam

[jolly sierra]

gl

[outer sky]

with no buffs non crits are like 375k

[jolly sierra]

still feels could be a good option atm cuz dont need u to vanish

[outer sky]

with tea and shiv its like 600k

1.3m crits on a dummy

so 1m crits on a player

[potent pivot]

yeah it's easily countered as well

[surreal barn]

Searing glare had a new meaning

[jolly sierra]

XD

[outer sky]

hmmmm

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

2.9m

hmmm

vs 7m average

[outer sky]

did it again got 3m

[jolly sierra]

it hits double than retail KB proportional-wise

[outer sky]

more than that

[jolly sierra]

so

[outer sky]

my KBs are critting for 450-650k

[jolly sierra]

can we conclude

this is the new KB?

[outer sky]

No

Because to do this you sacrifice a lot of spread pressure

[jolly sierra]

well, yeah

i think we need to research more

for the ideal scenario

[potent pivot]

how so

the only major aoe you're dropping is IC

[jolly sierra]

maybe lack of massive garrotes

[potent pivot]

you're not really dropping any bleed damage

[outer sky]

I think TTK is good with this build

to make sure the big envenom is empowered

[jolly sierra]

i was talking about the mass silence

[potent pivot]

for rapid injection?

[outer sky]

ye

[potent pivot]

that's only 10%, but possible

if this reliably lands kills i could see it

[outer sky]

This is the tree ive come up with

[outer sky]

we could drop KB for IC or CT

[potent pivot]

dropping execute dam just sounds terrible

dropping KB maybe yeah

[outer sky]

well yours is unplayable

we lose our MS

[potent pivot]

5% poison application is a horrible talent

[potent pivot]

lol?

dropping wound isn't unplayable

[outer sky]

hmmmm

That sounds like it could be troll

but maybe with hemo it could work

[potent pivot]

i can guarantee that it's workable

we played with only hemo for a long ass time

i know it got nerfed a bit

but if we're focusing a more ST build it can work

depending on how fast you can cycle through these deathstalker buffs in matches

that's going to be the biggest factor for pressure i think

might only be good into certain shit, etc

[outer sky]

without CB and MA KB is probably not worth

I just wish there was something else we could drop so we could get to both IC and CT

Is AP really necessary?

yeah 30% bleed damage during big env window probably is

fuck

Could drop TTK

but idk it feels good

[potent pivot]

Yeah it kinda sucks but you gotta make trades somewhere

Zoldycks, AP, SD are like our most important talents imo

Ever since DTB got nerfed it’s been pretty trash

If no wound is bad enough you’d still take it, it just feels like wasting 2 points on PB to get there is such a waste in comparison

[outer sky]

now im actually getting pissed off

this is untestable

[potent pivot]

can't get it off during a match?

[outer sky]

yeah

because its fucking greyed out

all of my active pvp talents

are unusable

in the game

[potent pivot]

Had a feeling it was a bug

It’s wild how much random shit can break for no reason

Might have something to do with the new spell book or the hero talents being added to the talent window

[outer sky]

deathstalkers mark is also bugged

its not applying like it should

I have to vanish for it sometimes

[potent pivot]

I think that’s just caused by the subterfuge bug but who knows at this point

[outer sky]

I got it off once

2m envenom

[potent pivot]

I’m curious how much damage fok does on ST

Apparently in pve it’s equal overall dps to cast fok in ST when you have the fok buff from hero talents

[outer sky]

Yeah idk about this build

It feels like I have to play the whole game around trying to get one envenom off

[blissful osprey]

can anyone link a ghood pvp build for prepatch on live right now for ass rogue?

[outer sky]

Play what you've always played but drop acrobatic strikes for cold blood and macro it to kingsbane

[blissful osprey]

ohh ty i'll try that

i'd need to drop 3 talent point to pick up CB

wouldn't you have to drop thistle tea or double vanish to gt CB?

[outer sky]

Nooo

Drop strategem

Alacrity

Grab lethality and CB

Double vanish is OP

And tea is basically a 15% damage buff every time you press it

Way too good

[blissful osprey]

okay ty

[potent pivot]

I think after getting used to it that it wouldn’t be so bad, but there’s definitely some iffy points either way

[potent pivot]

Everyone also seems pretty split on this in prepatch

Lethal+CB vs Alac+DS

[outer sky]

I need to hear the argument for alac+DS

I must be missing something because those talents seem so bad

[steel scarab]

Are we supposed to lose to tank demon hunters 1v1 in world pvp

Because

idk what the fuck just happened

[surreal barn]

yes

[steel scarab]

I got him to 25% but I used everything

It did not feel uh

favorable for us

[outer sky]

Even if you got him to 0% his cheat death would have procd and he'd just be in meta

[steel scarab]

😦

I usually consider myself to be a pretty above average duelist, in 1v1 situations

And I sincerely felt like I had basically no chance lol

[outer sky]

You're not solo killing a tank without dampening or flag/orb stacks

[river pollen]

is draconic gladiator's claw a better OH for sub since it has mastery compared to the draconic dagger

im not even sure if rogues can use use claws tbh

[jolly sierra]

doesnt matter rn

we are in prepatch

[stoic spruce]

Do people forget every 2 years that prepatch is an unbalanced shit show

[steel scarab]

I don't think it's wholly unreasonable to expect that a game with both an expansion price and a monthly subscription fee would hire enough developers that the game would have some semblance of balance before going live

Saying "it's always unbalanced every two years," as true as it may be historically, doesn't mean we should accept it or be happy with the product

[stoic spruce]

It is quite unreasonable wdym

So you're saying

That

[steel scarab]

I'm saying this shit should be ironed out before it goes live, yes.

Like how when I mount and I can't fly, and have to dismount and remount

That's aggravating and should have been hotfixed by now

No excuse

[stoic spruce]

20+ year old engine with code that no one understands is a pretty good excuse

You'd have an argument if the game was made in the last 6 or 7 years

The only way they could do what you say they should do is if they completely remake it. There's no greater stress test than pushing it to live. You think we get just over a month of prepatch for the luls?

I'm sure they want to release things in an unbuggy state too

[steel scarab]

I think what they actually want

And they being the people at the top

Is do the absolute least amount of work using the least amount of manpower and thus, the least amount of payroll possible to keep people like us just satisfied enough that we don't quit.

Point blank

If you think they couldn't possibly do a better, faster job than they're doing, you are actually crazy

Current frustration:

There is supposed to be a questgiver here. This is a BFA quest. Repeat: a BFA quest

Looked it up online, everyone has the same issue

He's occasionally phased, nobody knows why specifically. Suggestions include, fly back and forth until maybe he becomes unphased? Or log off and log in? Or just try it another day

It's not acceptable, dude. This is a daily repeatable quest from BFA and it's still not fixed

Just stop typing lol

[stoic spruce]

Buggy game is buggy, more at 11

I doubt a daily from 2 expansions ago is on their priority list

[steel scarab]

Do you think maybe it should have been on their priority list 2 expansions ago?

It seems like your answer would be no, as you're an apologist for all degrees of garbage workflow and shortmanning their workloads

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[stoic spruce]

Yes

"Do you think this daily from 2 expansions ago would be on their priority list if it were current content?"

[steel scarab]

Great, then by that logic it should have been fixed by now

And we're in agreement

It's crazy that it's still broken

[stoic spruce]

They fix a bug and two more show up

Its just a fact

It's not being apologetic, it's being truthful.

Not an exaggeration

They do nothing and more bugs show up

And you expect everything to be sunshine and rainbows?

Lol

There was recently a bug with outlaws Blade Flurry even though absolutely no changes were made.

It just showed up

[steel scarab]

How long did it take for them to fix that

[stoic spruce]

How long did it take to fix a game breaking level of bug in a spec vs a daily from 2 expansions? Is that what you really wanted to ask?

Like that was going to prove a point?

[steel scarab]

No, I'm curious. Do you remember the Seal Fate bug from Vanilla?

[stoic spruce]

Sounds familiar

[steel scarab]

There are some bugs, I feel, that they add intentionally to test how things work. I think the OG Seal Fate bug was intentional

It became Mutilate

Seal Fate was erroneously adding an additional combo point more than it should have

Obviously this daily quest is not an example of that, BUT

[river pollen]

true but still id like to know which is optimal

we still got a month

[dense pumice]

sub rogue right now is making me wanna take a break from my rogue til tww

43k evis lol

[jolly sierra]

does it even matter for rating which wont give u achivs?

in that case i think in a dagger

cuz shadow techniques

[steel scarab]

I think it's a willful example of not respecting the time of the playerbase. By essentially removing 1 of the 3 daily experience quests for the Ankoan allies, it not only wasted the time of people trying to figure out where the questgiver is and why he isn't appearing, but it also made the daily quest grind take 1/3 longer than it should have to max

[river pollen]

ohh ill look into that ty

[dense pumice]

HUUUUUUUGE

[steel scarab]

89k lol

oof

[outer sky]

I got DESTROYED by a sub rogue in 2s last night. I mean I couldn't do shit.

And I'm at 2400cr in 2s

[atomic adder]

anyone know what is randomly taking me out of stealth in pre patch?

[waxen meteor]

guys, it looks pre-patch is super boring and have almost absolutely nothing to do?

did i miss anything？

there is one new quest that takes about 5 mins to finish that's it?

[swift smelt]

things come out tuesday

[solid wharf]

how does sepsis work? it feels so awkward but im p sure im using it wrong

[river pollen]

i just pop it to get full combo to then pop rupture along with it, im probably doing it wrong tho

[steel scarab]

Lord I hate this game

Killed a guardian druid 1v1 as we fought over a war supply crate. I guess this particular Horde Graveyard is closer than Alliance, because he ran back in time to interrupt me from opening the Crate, and the alliance GY was so far away I couldn't even come close to interrupting him the same way

Splendidly balanced gameplay

[strange holly]

So if im readig everyoe correctly sub rogujes got a buff i the expasionn? does that mea they are viable i pvp agia>?

[gusty hedge]

sub always been viable for pvp

[wintry dew]

Guys, most of you probably know if this but I'll share it anyway:

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/gFZ4Hmeatd

[inner tartan]

so i tried outlaw in pvp and umm help do i just mega suck or did they gut my fav spec

[wintry axle]

Anyone got some amazing tracking weak auras for assa pvp?

[indigo hill]

Because of the current armor we don't do damage. Other than that they're fun to play.

[inner tartan]

it is very very fun to play but will it be viable ( basicly will i be able to do my own thingy and get 2100 with pressing stuns or will i have to stop eating crayons and use those rare skills xd

[indigo hill]

Hard to say. If they dont gut the numbers, sure. I think the abilities should be good enough for 2100. Outlaw has had a few seasons where it was doing very well. I noticed that that is a bit of the Outlaw problem. Its never middle of the pack. Always seen it at the bottom or the top. Let hope for the top.

[wintry dew]

Let's remember that it seems that rn, in pre patch, armor values are extremely high, which makes every melee weaker.

Or something along those lines that Notrickz talked about

[inner tartan]

they nerfed crack shot alot in pvp

i think that was at the beginning of s4 or what not but i havnt realy been playing pvp sinse then

so im compareing outlaw to 1 season ago fresh after rework

[indigo hill]

Yeah its a shitshow. Ret, dk and ele are insane right now. WW, Outlaw and Arms dont much atm.

[wintry dew]

Because physical DMG vs holy dmg

[inner tartan]

ret is stupid rn

but it normaly always is i think so shocker

[potent pivot]

Reply didn’t work

[potent pivot]

They can but double dagger is better

[wintry axle]

Lifebound cap or engi head, what do you think?

[wintry dew]

It's whatever, be sure to have full mastery if eng helmet or vers/mastery in case of lifebound

[potent pivot]

Yeah that one’s kinda preference

[wintry axle]

Ill run engi head since im currently in need of more mastery than vers

[surreal barn]

GM Dirk was my favorite model dagger for a long while

Glad more people will be able to get it

[stoic spruce]

Arms deleting dk idk what yall smokin rn

That's about the only class killing dk rn lol

Spec*

Fury bros are non existent

[river pollen]

Kk thanks

[red atlas]

Does anyone know the right outlaw pvp build in current pre patch?

[potent pivot]

yes it is called go next, for real tho

outlaw is feeling very bad because of the armor bug

https://murlok.io/rogue/outlaw/3v3#talents-class

if you still want to play it i'd check out the most popular talents here^

[indigo hill]

Wouldnt play it now. I've tried and the spec is fun but does 0 damage

[potent pivot]

yeah it feels better on beta

armor bug just has it feeling like a mosquito

[surreal barn]

Sting like a mosquito lolol

Replaces sting like a bee

I’ve actually never been more let down on rogue gameplay going into this - my only saving grace is that xmog for s1 is 🔥 🔥 🔥

I need all the variants

[jolly sierra]

did u really liked etheral xmog?

its cool indeed but that much?

[surreal barn]

I do ya

[worthy crag]

What is this "bullion" that I keep seeing in wowhead?

[wintry dew]

PvE currency that lets you buy weapons / special items from raids

and that can be upgraded to max mythic Ilvl

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/last-hurrah-weekly-quest-offers-2-catch-up-bullions-in-war-within-pre-patch-345475

some pve items are good in pvp

[crisp fossil]

How viable is pvp for gearing up toons for tww? Bg grind/rated bg etc

[wintry dew]

There's a new event coming this next week, with catch up gear

PvP gear is always weaker than PvE gear, ilvl wise

[potent pivot]

like for gearing to do pve content? it's always gonna be weaker than pve gear

[crisp fossil]

The pvp mogs and titles for solo rbgs interested me so was more curious how slow it is

And nah just to get ready for tww

I have a boosted warrior and a monk that's only 377 ilvll lol

[potent pivot]

well when tww launches there's going to be crafted pvp gear again i'm pretty positive

that'll be right below season 1 honor gear

but imo if you want to use your time rn to get ready, farm at least full honor gear

[crisp fossil]

Does it take long to get full honor gear?

[potent pivot]

buy whatever conq gear you can but don't feel required to do so

full honor gear can take like.. a few hours usually

if just spamming random bg's

once the new honor gear comes out after tww launch you'll be able to farm it with whatever gear, so what you get now isn't super important

[crisp fossil]

Bet. Solo rbgs are looking to be a lot of fun, all my other chars are remix so they can't be touched

[potent pivot]

it'll just make it a bit easier if you have honor gear from this season to begin with

[crisp fossil]

And ya it was mainly just to boost ilevel outside of the prepatch event , my monk died at one of the pre patch spots and I can't find out how to get back to the quest spot from where the gy was so I got frustrated and logged off lol

[wintry dew]

Can you remind me if honor sticks from one expansion to the other?

[potent pivot]

i don't think so

i think everything resets on new expac

because they'll send you gold to compensate you for taking your remaining honor

[wintry dew]

We'll probably have to farm the new "world pvp" gear and then go BG's once they open up

[potent pivot]

so i usually send honor boxes bare minimum to any ungeared alts

or i buy honor gear and vendor it for gold

i dislike farming world pvp gear ngl

wq's with full raid groups of people

annoys me

[jolly sierra]

im really curious about getting 1k8 w the rog in rbg out season

just for the xmog lol

[wanton breach]

wouldn't turning honor to herbs/ores be a potentially better gold ratio?

[potent pivot]

yeah just depends how much u have ig, don't those packs cost a lot of honor? idr

[wanton breach]

3k honor

[potent pivot]

i was just sayin in the past i've always bought gear to vendor :d

those may be the play tho now ye

[jolly sierra]

buy recipes

to get more gold w marks

[wanton breach]

meh, mabye only at the start of a season

[jolly sierra]

i got like 20k and so selling them to the vendor

[spring bough]

just finished my first solo bg of the day and there is someone out there that is already 2150 LOL

[vital socket]

man does sub just not do dmg rn

[potent pivot]

it does

sub isn't about overall dps

it's somewhat affected by the armor bug atm, but not as bad as some other specs

[mystic anvil]

Yeah as long as sub still has the cc package it could do zero damage and it'll still be usefull

[steel scarab]

Have we figured out what is randomly knocking rogues out of stealth constantly?

And is that something that's getting fixed soon?

I'm getting kicked out of stealth in random BGs even in the starting fucking area

[mystic anvil]

Haven't had it happen in the starting area yet. I know they changed vanish so I've been thinking it was that the whole time

[steel scarab]

Assassination feels absolutely horrendous currently

Stealth bug aside, I'm getting exploded from 41 yards while Mutilate and Fan crit for like 1/10 of a health bar

Combined with the idiotic removal of Acrobatic Strikes, I'm ready to reroll

Or uninstall

Deathmark is the weakest it's ever been and still peculiarly has a 2 minute cooldown (????)

[mystic anvil]

I miss vendetta, rn assass feels like old feral and feral feels like old assass

[steel scarab]

If Acrobatic Strikes was making PvE too easy, they should make it a PvP talent or something, but Jesus Christ this feels awful to play

Not to mention the fact that 5 of our PvP talents are garbage

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/head-smash-head-smash-angry-gif-16595793

god dammit james not again

we played like this for like 15 years

[steel scarab]

LOL

[mystic anvil]

Homie was going thru it In that gif lol

[jolly sierra]

XD

[spring bough]

whats some fun stuff yall do in between ques? just got my legion class mount after working on it over the last week. also went back to unlock garrison stuff to kill the time lol

[steel scarab]

I've been doing BFA quests, they're awesome

[jolly sierra]

farming gold

[steel scarab]

Does Sanguine Stratagem currently work? It doesn't say ability tooltips go up to 7 points if you take it + Deeper Stratagem

[steel scarab]

Just won a rated BG, but not without a little hate mail from a healer lol

...Sorry I was interrupting your heals, bruh?

Who actually leaves a BG and logs into a cross faction character just to whisper someone? Like

Get a life lol

[stoic spruce]

I send mail to someone on another realm when they talk smack and instantly /ignore

I will make a warrior, sell all the items and make just enough money for 1 letter.

They started it. I didn't want to do it.

I did

That was a lie. I'm sorry.

[potent pivot]

it's prepatch man

[potent pivot]

farm gold or transmog. i don't really care for mounts much.

[potent pivot]

tooltips just weren't changed to go up to 7cp, it does work

[steel scarab]

Good to know, thank you!

[inner tartan]

FRRRRRR i was trying so hard last night in 2s and ya nope nope

[jolly sierra]

got 1k1 at rated rbg from 0 w blitz

god this is nice, i think can get the 1k8

[steel scarab]

I am 1300, 8-8 so far

solo blitz is pretty fun

Queues are uh, about 1000x better than arena solo queue

[jolly sierra]

im like 1k3 rn too

from the late afternoon and 0

[tacit crane]

Is that out already?

[jolly sierra]

this is going forward

cmon gimme my 1k8 REEEEEEEEE

[steel scarab]

What score do we need, 1800?

[jolly sierra]

ye

matches were going smooth too

[tacit crane]

What spec are you playing?

[jolly sierra]

assa

[steel scarab]

Got 1600 but must bed

[jolly sierra]

F

[jolly sierra]

goals

ill get it this week

[wintry dew]

Like you should

[jolly sierra]

lets see what happens

[wintry dew]

Bro you just gotta go there and do what you do, which is pumping

[loud ember]

Anyone got a good assa build for solo shuffle? Been trying the cleave build from Icy Veins but it just feels kinda off

The removal of Shadow Dance means I'm using vanish way more offensively which just ultimately makes me run out of energy with Depper Strategem suckin up my combo points

[jolly sierra]

lets go

[potent pivot]

i think iceyveins has something weird on it's builds from it's last update, i'd use murlok.io and not iceyveins

you should also only really be using 1 vanish offensively if you can you wanna try to keep 1 charge banked for defensive use

[loud ember]

Am I reading the vibe wrong or has assa just become a cleave only spec

I've tried some more single target focused stuff but it just feels lackluster compared to other specs

[potent pivot]

has been for a while yes

[loud ember]

god I wish I had the adderall addiction to play sub

my monkey brain cannot comprehend it

[potent pivot]

you just cc everything

ez

[loud ember]

It does feel like rogues are just CC when it comes to rated content

like let everyone else do the damage and you just CC healer on DR

land a cheap shot on kill target when your team mates burst is up

[wintry axle]

on retail or beta? because on retail assa damage is pretty dope if u set it up right.

for u sub players, how is it in the prepatch vs the beta?

is it viable?

[wintry axle]

Does anyone have a decent prepatch sub build?

[tawdry imp]

is sub rogue honestly this pvp dueling god like the world makes it out to be?

genuinely feel like I'm missing something with the spec

[wintry axle]

i've tried sub aswell, but assa is superior in prepatch atleast

[untold remnant]

If stamina changes continue, S1 will be dampen rot meta again. Although too early to say. Then, Assa will be best again probably.

[potent pivot]

would recommend just checking out whats popular on murlok.io

[potent pivot]

not really, it can be good once you get the hang of it, but it's not anything crazy good atm

[loud ember]

How are people playing assa then?

Fan of Knives for builder if you can hit +1 target, Keep rupture and garrote on kill target, indescriminate carnage to spread Mark of Death ruptures, garrote everyone during subterfuge and crimson tempest upkeep?

Thats damage rotation obviously

Am I doing it wrong?

[wintry axle]

crimson and snd aswell

oh u wrote crimson, but snd has to be in there.

[wintry dew]

Not mandatory

But good to have

[wintry axle]

I find myself dealing lots more with it up, but of course drop it over everything else.

[loud ember]

snd is sort of my "I have nothing else to press" button

or if anything else wold be wasted

i.e. they have a bubble or w/e

[wintry axle]

when do you prioritize envenom?

[loud ember]

when bursting, i guess. If rupture is up on the target

[potent pivot]

envenom is last on the priority list

the only time you really press it is to refresh SnD, if you have nothing else to press
and when you're going for a kill, like after pressing KB

[potent pivot]

depending on which bracket you're playing in 2s/3s, you should aim to keep garr/rupt on at least 2 targets as much as possible, even on 3 when you're team isn't actively trying to CC anyone

[loud ember]

This couns for solos too?

[potent pivot]

yes

[loud ember]

I does seem like the winning strat in solos is just do so much damage that the healer cant keep up

[potent pivot]

you're bleed ticks refund you energy on poisoned targets, which is also why you FoK when you won't break CC, you want them poisoned for energy and to keep Wound Poison up

[loud ember]

Ah that makes sense

[potent pivot]

shuffle atm is very much just spread as much damage as possible and spam CC

[wintry axle]

I find doing that and then going in for a KB burst is the way I win my rounds

[wanton breach]

displays of pure skill

[potent pivot]

if you see someone drop below 35% hp then you should shiv/KB them

[wintry axle]

has anyone tried an envenom build as assa?

[spring bough]

just did this for my hunter last night

bro is in full HWL tier with the argent dawn tabard and the 2h axe lol

[spring bough]

only 500 rating to go for that high warlord title lol

[wintry axle]

best arena frames?

[spring bough]

gladiusex, gladius, gladius(bicmex version), or sArena

ive used all three but usually gravitate towards gladiusex

shows the ability the player just used, trinket cd, top defensives and offensive CDs, and you can resize and adjust it for a bunch of different alerts

[wanton breach]

gladiusex is suuuuuper buggy though and the features you described can also be done with other addons

[loud ember]

just use default blizzard arena frames, they just added a new one

im sure it's very informative and tracks all the info you need

[spring bough]

wait blizz actually updated that arena frame lol

[outer sky]

Blizzard needs to add a DR tracker to the base UI

its been a core mechanic since day 1

why 20 years later we need addons and weakauras for that I don't understand

[spring bough]

i love that diminish returns addon shows it on the nameplates

best addon for that and no need to look around

[gusty hedge]

💯

[spring bough]

i have these giant icons over everyones head while playing lol

it does bug sometimes with rogue stealth and will miss a DR but its only on occasion

[outer sky]

except its been disconinued so it wont exist in TWW

[gusty hedge]

ahh say it aint so

[spring bough]

oh boy how am i gonna pvp now

well back to getting yelled at "DR DR DR DR" lol

[outer sky]

none of the WAs work either they're all wrong

[spring bough]

even the one on this guys description?

[outer sky]

yep

[spring bough]

""Try "Teea DR Tracker" or "!SpizyPie - Nameplates CC + DR Tracker" for WeakAuras"

[outer sky]

yeah theyre both wrong

there's an addon I use called "nameplateccntrinket" and it works well but you need to know the spell icons for every CC in the game as well as what DRs with what because it doesn't show class specific icons. It shows the DR for whatever CC was most recently used on them

so if a warlock fears someone it will show the lock fear icon for the DR

and you just have to know that means they're on blind DR

[spring bough]

https://wago.io/xhRKBcKzn

im gonna try this one

[gusty hedge]

good lookin. i will too

[outer sky]

it wont work

a couple weeks ago I tried everything available

they're all wrong

[spring bough]

sick lol

[outer sky]

the only thing that I found that actually shows the corect DR times is the nameplateccntrinket addon

[spring bough]

so use diminish till the day it doesnt load

and hope someone continues it before then

[outer sky]

i mean i hit 2725 rating with the addon I mentioned

you just have to learn the CC icons and what DRs with what

after you do that its extremely usable

[surreal barn]

https://a.co/d/4rOHeXi

Or hear me out

[spring bough]

i love when an entire rated BG teams up on two DKs who refused to pick up WSG flag even once

we wiped the enemy team every time we faced them. could have easily won. yet these two dks wouldnt even pick it up if u dropped it next to them lol

[indigo hill]

Big D dps dks. It's probably their only focus.

[steel scarab]

@outer sky hard agree

[outer sky]

With what?

[steel scarab]

That it is inexcusable that the base UI does not track DR when it's been a core part of pvp since it was implemented in 2007

[jolly sierra]

crazy af, gratz, go in

tbh would wanna champion title, sounds chad af

[lavish idol]

Yo was off most of the week. Is outlaw still broken with armor issue?

[potent pivot]

believe so

[waxen meteor]

seems a lot of issues going on

bm seems to be doing negative dmg

[steel scarab]

Slight breakthrough

I noticed when I was constantly being knocked out of stealth last night I was wearing full pve gear, including trinkets

When I swapped to full pvp gear including pvp trinkets, it was happening far less often

I have no idea why the pve gear would've been causing stealth issues in battlegrounds though, since I never experienced those stealth dropping issues in mythic+

[wintry dew]

Probably due to the sarka cloak

[steel scarab]

Oh god, you're probably right

Does that happen in M+? Somehow I've never noticed it knocking me out there

But it would happen CONSTANTLY in pvp

[spring bough]

i found out the HWL wep mogs transfer over to ally too which is cool and the titles do too even tho the achieve doesnt unlock lol

like if im on my horde character the title achieves for ally are greyed out but if i log on my nightelf i have all the titles lol

[wintry dew]

Yeah it's a known bug season 2

[steel scarab]

Is it pretty normal to have a 50% winrate in rated BGs but still be climbing in rank?

[jolly sierra]

that is because warband

i checked my NE in remix

and she got "Knight" title transfered from horde

as equivalent

[spring bough]

yeah that is sick as hell only downside is cant buy the gear cause you dont have the achieve as ally lol

gonna have to get my horde hunter to 2400 in rated solo bg and my ally rogue too lol

[jolly sierra]

oh boy

F

[outer sky]

yes it os

is*

[jolly sierra]

but can u buy horde gear from other classes if ur big achivs are there?

[spring bough]

yeah

i wonder if the horde mog would be usable on ally? lol

or do they faction restrict it

[wintry dew]

They are supposed to be faction restricted

[wintry dew]

Why

[river pollen]

hey can anyone tell me why infurious footwraps are more popular than life-bound boots for sub rogues?

[wintry dew]

Embellishment

[river pollen]

is the extra vers better than getting mastery?

[wintry dew]

You have it on demand vs mastery emb

Which requires you to be above x% hp

[river pollen]

im a noob haha whats that

[wintry dew]

The power attached to infurious boots

[river pollen]

ohhh I understand now I didn't see that before thank you

but what if

i add the blue silken lining to lifebound boots?

[wintry dew]

#pvp message this applies

You need to be above x% HP to gain the mastery value

[river pollen]

Ohh yea true

[wintry dew]

And afaik most use 1 BLS and 1 infurious boots

[river pollen]

Also infurious has a lot more vers too

[jolly sierra]

black luster soldier? lol

[wintry dew]

Oops

XD

Bsl

[jolly sierra]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[wintry dew]

You saw nothing

[jolly sierra]

DW lol

[wintry dew]

Hehehehe

I'm still wondering why so you need 2400 rating for tmog

[outer sky]

ya know in 2009 I was my state's runner up yugioh champion

[river pollen]

whats that again?

[outer sky]

Blue Silk Lining

[wintry dew]

Blue silken lining

[river pollen]

what else could I apply it on? last question haha

[outer sky]

most people put it on their hat

[river pollen]

i see ty kings

[jolly sierra]

i was just the locals champion in a local which closed up for bad financial practises

until they banned my deck in the no meta format

[outer sky]

what deck did you play?

Back in the day I played darkness dragons but then they banned and later erratad future fusion which the deck relied on

[jolly sierra]

harpie with feather storm and barrier statue

[outer sky]

Last year I won locals both with an Eldlich deck and a Dino Stun deck

[jolly sierra]

they hated me

[outer sky]

Lol you havent been hated at locals until you pull up with dyno stun and inspector border

[jolly sierra]

that was in edison format, funny

[jolly sierra]

oh we had that too

[outer sky]

side deck secret village of the spell casters too

[jolly sierra]

ye can recall that, bitch move w endymion decks

[outer sky]

yep lol

[jolly sierra]

currently im w a fire king tri brigade

[outer sky]

and jowgen the spiritualist

[jolly sierra]

but tbh i refuse to play unless i go w friends

[outer sky]

tri brigade is nasty

[jolly sierra]

OOHHH boy selene enables a lot of movesw that

tri-brigade is versatile af, u can counter dark ruler no more w that

[outer sky]

DRNM was just seeing a ton of play into Kash

because if you went second into that deck you couldn't do shit

[jolly sierra]

fkn fenrirs

[outer sky]

yep

[jolly sierra]

i sold them all for money in the end

also i was running short

[outer sky]

oh I still play and I'm turning 30 next month

[jolly sierra]

nah its ok while u have fun

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[river pollen]

is there a way to turn a greater draconic trophy of conquest into a draconic trophy of conquest?

or do you have to wait a week for the 2nd one

[blissful osprey]

Best healer for 2s with assassinations rogue?

[wintry axle]

druid I think

druid rocks

[wintry dew]

theres not no, besides the first quest that awards 2 or 3 of those, you need to buy them with conquest

[wintry dew]

Used to be Disc priest but idk anymore

[blissful osprey]

1even though clone removes bleeds?

[wintry axle]

Not sure, but rdruid beats any other healing in a damp fight

and assa now is damp fight madness

disc is most fun to play with

[spring bough]

so i can get rogues hwl/gm mog set too lol

[wintry dew]

Can you remind me which sets there are with printscreens if you're able? Just to be sure

[spring bough]

im dumb lol. i just made an ally hunter and the pvp set mogs swap over. so if you get the 1800 from rated bg and buy gear on a horde rogue you will auto get the ally rogue mog

[wintry dew]

Yeah that's what I thought

[halcyon timber]

Cyclone doesn’t remove bleeds or any effects. It just makes the targets immune while they are flapping in the wind like a hamburger wrapper.

Attacks such as scatter shot or magic such as dragon’s breath will remove dots.

[shy nebula]

do we know if blizz will implement the item used for honor transfer since the functionality to transfer honor is bugged and disabled?

[blissful osprey]

Probably not coming back before the end of the pre patch @shy nebula
Can still send conq boxes though and the honor gears can be farmed rapid. I got a fresh rogue to 522ilvl on one short session today with around 9 crates

[shy nebula]

How do you farm honor gears quickly? by AFKing in BGs?

[wintry dew]

Easy way to get banned

[shy nebula]

Then how? XD

[jolly sierra]

dude just capped a base and started saying shit

[blissful osprey]

Just from doing arena skirmish and rated 2v2’s. Rated arenas is best as you a farming conquest and honor at the same time. Pick up the weeklies

We won a game a 2k mmr when I had ilvl 365 daggers from last expansion 😄

[shy nebula]

wtf

[outer sky]

Lol

arcane mage on beta rn

[jolly sierra]

WHAT THE HECK

[tawdry imp]

is rogue affected by the physical armour/damage issues right now?

[wintry dew]

Yes

[blissful osprey]

But assassination less so as bleeds are unaffected by armor. Sub and Outlaw are unplayable

[surreal barn]

Back

Discord being funky for me

[lucid citrus]

I was having the same issue too

also did they fix the armor or is it still the same?

[jolly sierra]

discord trolled u

wtf

in a channel i was getting random DCs

[jolly sierra]

ended at 1667

seems like this wont q

+200 CR difference

compared to yesterday in almost the same hour

ye, we are going forward

[grave basin]

the dark arts is tempting

[jolly sierra]

w that fkn armor how not

is probably one of the best of SL

[grave basin]

yea the s1 elite is good too

[jolly sierra]

as a tip, try this sword with winter's grasp or primal storm illusion

i have the set myself and believe me is one of my favourites lol

[grave basin]

whats the name of that

have you seen the new trading post

theres gonna some hyuuge swords

[jolly sierra]

quel'serrars

[jolly sierra]

drakefang butcher

[grave basin]

yea too bad theyre 1h swords

but im for sure getting em

these swords with the unchained fury s2 illusion looks sick too

[jolly sierra]

looks cosmic like

[jolly sierra]

this is how it looks w drakefang/winter

[stoic spruce]

N64 ass sword 💀💀💀

[jolly sierra]

SHOO SHOOOOOOOOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/periodicazo-fifidonia-newspaper-gif-20050186

[gilded gulch]

Looks better with sinful flame

[stoic spruce]

ITS LITERALLY THE BIG GORON SWORD FROM OCARINA OF TIME

[jolly sierra]

bruh

[stoic spruce]

Lmaoo

See

[grave basin]

i quit in s1 when they nerfed echoing repremand by 80% and we were just stunbots

for our fire mages to bust

[stoic spruce]

Unironically higher quality

[jolly sierra]

hi res t3 when

[grave basin]

the real question is

where do you put your main around your campfire

is on top of the list, which is on the left or middle of the campfire , but left or right

[stoic spruce]

You can move them??

[grave basin]

yes where they are on your top 4

will move them around the fire

[stoic spruce]

From left to right, DK(Main), Rogue(other main thats equally played), Warrior, hunter.