pvp

[wintry dew]

it has been hours since pre patch launched

[warped gate]

I hear warriors are insane right now.

[muted abyss]

so many things are broken right now, even after that 12 hour patch lol

[jolly sierra]

fucking rets

[spring bough]

solo rated BG is fun

horde actually winning something for once

2-0 baby

[muted abyss]

I do wish it was more of a traditional solo queue, but blizz seems to be allergic to just doing what people want lol

[spring bough]

oh wow this new rated blitz is going to give us the rated BG rewards for the old vanilla pvp gear

LETS GO

and the titles

inc grand marshall / high warlords all over

[muted abyss]

Oh for real?

Bet the OG folks are gonna be salty

[idle root]

you mean the sets?

[spring bough]

yeah so we can get the vanilla pvp set and weps for mogs

[idle root]

thats cool af

[muted abyss]

man, what are they gonna do about the leaver problem with bg shuffle? we had a guy leave right at the start

that should end the game imo

[spring bough]

finally might be able to get some legion class mounts thanks to warbands lol

[muted abyss]

man, subterfuge being 6 seconds is dope af

[silent charm]

welcome to outlaw's life since the rework lol

its so nice

[muted abyss]

also tanks in bg bitz is oof

[silent charm]

outlaw rogues, how are we feeling about nerfed underhanded upper hand? still necessary just for the AR/BF duration pausing? personally im leaning more towards picking up talents that i couldnt fit before like count the odds/killing spree/greenskins instead

doesnt feel like the AR pausing alone is enough to warrant that slot over bonus RTB buff procs or even just the higher roll chance

[jolly sierra]

OOOOOOOOHHHH

u horde fellas have got already garrosh heirlooms?

those are HD pvp weps

[sharp sierra]

Anyone know who sells the Trophy of Strife gear now? Malicia doesn't seem to have the option to buy from anymore/

[muted abyss]

Seems like an oopsie woopsie by the devs

[jolly sierra]

the other guy which sells blues

[sharp sierra]

I think he just sells them os cosmetics

[spring bough]

not yet but going to lol

[jolly sierra]

hurry up u have like 20 days remaining

[spring bough]

can get like 80k bronze on 1 char in 2 hours then run SOO get some mogs in a couple days lol

ive got 7 70s off remix so far lol

every single ones max played is like 2-3 hours

[muted abyss]

Fieldmaster Emberath is selling all the gear for like 5 marks now btw

[muted abyss]

saame, wish there was a way to unlock them early

[spring bough]

yeah i had to make a new acct so i can only pvp rated with a hunter or DH lol

gotta wait for my rogue, sham, and others lol

[muted abyss]

It's even quicker now btw, like 1-2 hours

I may make one of each class on horde too

[spring bough]

finally got lucky and got a timereaver the other day and now i can dragon ride it

lifes never been better lmao

[outer sky]

Ok I'm actually getting really annoyed with how little damage melee are doing (besides DKs) relative to casters

How long is this supposed to go on for

[waxen meteor]

1 month

just play remix

[outer sky]

They're not going to do any tuning until the xpac drops?

Why

[idle root]

can someone explain to me wtf happened to ele shamans? wtf is this shit

[muted abyss]

it's pre-patch shit is gonna be unbalanced and broken

just play assassination cause armor is bugged right now and physical damage is poop

Oof, actually seems like the armor change is intentional, they made the change for pve in mind and never considered pvp lol

https://www.wowhead.com/news/secondary-stats-armor-and-stamina-increased-in-the-war-within-pre-patch-345405

I think it's scaled for level 80 and we are just stuck with this for a month

[plucky escarp]

I was top dam somehow in a 2400 Ele, Destro, Demonology lobby as assa. But I think Assa is still pumping relatively speaking

[muted abyss]

Yeah, sin is doing well cause most of our damage is bleeds

[plucky escarp]

Yeah big true

[outer sky]

This isn't a flex but I'm playing 2700 lobbies and I'm getting shit on by ele shamans

[plucky escarp]

But still normally that lobby huffs my nuts

Oh I normally do

[outer sky]

I never did until this patch

[muted abyss]

Yeah, still not as broken as prepatch wotlk ret pallies

[plucky escarp]

I hate static and root totem so much it drives me wild

[hard garnet]

Can anyone link recommend pvp build please?

[potent pivot]

check murlok.io

not much has changed

[hard garnet]

Ty

[tawdry imp]

Did Blizz give any reasoning for the vanish duration nerf?

[stoic spruce]

Funni

[silent charm]

and the displacement talent too

so they place static and immediately rip you across the map

[potent pivot]

they might do some tuning next reset, it just depends on how much time they have i think

pre patch tuning matters very little even in pve, there's no rating on the line in pvp/m+ so it's usually pretty wild

if you really want to play rn and have fun it's time to jump on ret/dk/ele

[outer sky]

Is beta down for good? The only server I see available is offline

[potent pivot]

afaik it shouldn't be done

live is 11.0.0 and beta is 11.0.2, there's still a lot of differences and some changes to come

[steel scarab]

Did they take Subterfuge away?

Oh I see, the put it where Find Weakness used to be

[muted abyss]

no, it's 6 secs now

[stoic spruce]

My beloved

[waxen meteor]

well prepatch doesn't get any tuning or very little tuning

it's mostly a temp version

before tuning actually goes live, people are already at level 80

it's basically time to play alt level up

[steel scarab]

Am I imagining this? Something feels better about my rotation

It's like they fixed something they broke previously

Is it something with subterfuge? Something with actionbar swapping I feel

On the other hand -- it seems they broke dragonflying somehow. Numerous times either it hasn't allowed me to use my dragonflying abilities or I'll use the speed ahead one and I'll stop midair

[potent pivot]

i've heard others say the opposite about the actionbar swapping

saying it's worse now

[steel scarab]

Maybe I haven't been in a long enough fight to see it; maybe since Subterfuge is 6 seconds I'm not in long enough fights to see the problem that existed

I forget when they broke it, and what broke it exactly, but sometime in mid-dragonflight they definitely did something that messed up the swapping from Ambush to Mutilate

[potent pivot]

idk the action bar swapping has always been slow

on sub if you dance and try to strike too fast you'll backstab if you don't have strike/stab on separate binds

[steel scarab]

When I played sub I did have them on separate binds specifically for uh

Dance Macabre

I almost forgot the name lol

Which btw, was really annoying design, I hope they made it so you don't have to have both those abilities bound during dance, that's such awful keybind bloat

[potent pivot]

rdru doing more dps than half the melee classes

3m of that is just wrath

[potent pivot]

really if you want to play optimally it's best to have them on separate keybinds anyway

even without DM

[idle coyote]

someone have sub pvp talents?

[stoic spruce]

Any outlaw gamers pvp yet?

Any other*

[worthy crag]

survival feels like where sub rogue is conceptually supposed to be

decent setup good burst and alot of tools for disruption

instead of just gouge cheap cheap cheap blind

[potent pivot]

i have a feeling outlaw is in the dumpstar rn with the armor changes

i haven't tested it, but outlaw is mostly phys dmg like ww which is also doing dumpster dmg

[stoic spruce]

I did big dam last night so idk

[potent pivot]

it'll even out a bit once we hit lv 80

define big dam

[stoic spruce]

Soloing hoes

Like that ret

[potent pivot]

at what mmr

[stoic spruce]

The ret was in an ebg but the rest was at the 2k-2.3k

[potent pivot]

hmm idk

prepatch tings

[stoic spruce]

We shall sea

Still fun though for me so that's good

[grave basin]

Ooo new beta stuff

Have we all seen it

DH just got buffed to the sky

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-war-within-beta-development-notes-for-july-24th-class-changes-345436

[potent pivot]

rogue buffs as well

[jolly sierra]

didnt noticed any buff tbh

[potent pivot]

?

[jolly sierra]

nvm

checked the wrong page

[jolly sierra]

nice coordination

[potent pivot]

the other page is raw spell data

idk what azliey posted i just went to the site myself

[jolly sierra]

that was the one i checked

xdd

[potent pivot]

yeah it had all the same buffs on it

it's just harder to read if you're not familiar with data mined spell data like that

[jolly sierra]

oh now i can see why i said that to you

[stoic spruce]

Since no one posted the outlaw blue post

Smh

[jolly sierra]

xd

we left that right for a true outlaw player

[potent pivot]

umm

i think you may be going blind sir

[stoic spruce]

Yall singled out yalls specs

But not outlaws

Smh

[potent pivot]

i don't have a spec

[stoic spruce]

Thank you friend

[potent pivot]

i have a class

[stoic spruce]

You have assa/sub

[potent pivot]

i posted all 3 but the last few lines didn't fit in my original ss

[stoic spruce]

Smh

[potent pivot]

look at my first pic

[stoic spruce]

ExCUSES

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

I singled out outlaw for all you lurking outlaw gamers.

I see you

(Your stealth sucks)

Also lol vanish nerf

[potent pivot]

they're too busy gambling

[stoic spruce]

True and real

[potent pivot]

ignoring your post

[stoic spruce]

They usually do anyway

[potent pivot]

hanging out in the absolute doom fiesta that is #outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Real

[atomic loom]

Are casters just super strong right now because I feel like I can’t get any good pressure out but casters are pumping

[stoic spruce]

They are

Rdruid is invincible

[thick slate]

its also the fact that physical damage is way lower than intended due to the armor buffs no?

like, armor have been more buffed than it should

ive had a ww monk do healer dmg in my lobby yesterday

[grave basin]

@thick slate my ww did lass dam than a warlock who dced for 40 seconds mid shuffle

Total scoreboard damage

I was wondering wtf was happening

Also they probably changed a lot of baseline spells to have haste modifiers

Like fists

[potent pivot]

i don't think that's the case

it won't feel as bad once we hit lv 80

but they may have undercompensated the dmg overall

[thick slate]

No the thing is, the armor values are broken. The calculation is off

get a physical class to duel a plate class

it will do literally 85% reduced damage

[potent pivot]

i don't think it's broken

they practically buffed armor by 50% across the board

[thick slate]

Yeah maybe could be the combination of not being max level and a few bad stat scales

But it definitely feels very bad playing a physical dmg class rn

[potent pivot]

yeah it happens every expansion iirc

just feels a little worse this time around maybe

[safe pelican]

When does S1 start gang & what should I spend my time doing before the new season ??

Grind bloody tokens gear or something have logged yet or should we just push 80 and wait for conq gear

[stoic spruce]

You still got over a month

[wintry dew]

We are still in DF

This is the pre patch

[safe pelican]

10/4

[outer sky]

Anyone else having trouble updating the beta? it's been doing this for like half an hour

[potent pivot]

do you have the game open? sometimes that fucks with it for me

[blissful osprey]

anyone have an assass prepatch pvp build I can copy

or link to one

most sources dont have one

[potent pivot]

it's basically the same as before prepatch

sec

[potent pivot]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAwMjZmxMDAAAAAAY2mxsNDAAAAAAtsNMYmxYmZWGDmZMzYmZGzMW22GzwAAAQAIAWGA

@outer sky

talked to nahj a bit last night n he thinks this is the play atm

it's either that or Lethal->CB

[spring bough]

solo bg que last night was about 5 min max. loving it. wish solo shuffles was like that

[potent pivot]

shuffle queues weren't as bad when they were first implemented either

everybody gravitates towards the shiny new toy

[spring bough]

that is true. i hope the hype stays. they are nice and quick games too

[outer sky]

Kingsbane doing the same damage on beta at level 80 that its doing now on retail

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

whats the best spec on beta rn?

[potent pivot]

sec

you mean assa talents

or actual spec

[outer sky]

actual spec

[potent pivot]

pretty sure it's gonna be sin

beta has all the latest buffs that were done, so i'm not sure

[outer sky]

this def needs tuning

[potent pivot]

can't really test it either because dummies don't have the armor value of players i'm pretty sure

[outer sky]

Im queueing skirms/SS

[potent pivot]

ah kk

[outer sky]

Garrote is ticking for 250k though

[potent pivot]

they nerfed KB and we don't have NS anymore

but at lvl 80 and fully geared it should be doing more than that i feel

[potent pivot]

try testing out some haste gear

or a mix of haste/mast

if i had beta i would

[outer sky]

you pretty much have to

the vendor doesnt sell heavy mastery gear

I have 4100 haste and 6400 mast

[potent pivot]

oo

[outer sky]

outside of pvp

[potent pivot]

and it's still hitting that hard, nice

what are health pools at

at 80

7-8m?

[outer sky]

nah

around 5m

well hold on

thats not in pvp

sec

ok yeah around 7m

i have 6979k

[potent pivot]

kk figured as much

you should test SBS

[rotund saffron]

How is subtlety rogue after the update?

[potent pivot]

ruptures spread through IC auto apply 3 stacks of SBS btw

its bugged

[wanton breach]

isn't that intended?

[potent pivot]

you mean prepatch? or beta?
the buffs from yesterday are beta only

[wintry dew]

I thought it was intended

[potent pivot]

i saw it on a bug list idk

[rotund saffron]

pre patch bro

[potent pivot]

pre patch it's kind of meh, not terrible, not good

[wintry dew]

You're probably right, I don't know for sure

[dark kernel]

This is actually exactly what I'm running. Plays pretty much like last season.

[outer sky]

cheap shot is bugged on beta

[wintry dew]

Ohhh I know why I didn't notice, because I tested in the dummies and always started the fight with 3 ready

Thanks @potent pivot

[potent pivot]

[wintry dew]

You're the 🐐

[wanton breach]

so it's more powerful than it should be atm

[potent pivot]

that was my thought process yeah

[outer sky]

I did just top damage in my lobby

[potent pivot]

how is the buffed conquest feeling

or have you been looking at all

[outer sky]

havent been looking

[potent pivot]

@wintry dew

there was also this

btw

[wintry dew]

So we are bugged but a good bugged

[potent pivot]

i'm not sure of the validity of these

they weren't on whispyr's bug sheet

but this was published yesterday

[spring bough]

Servers back up

[outer sky]

Right now on beta cheap shot can only be used from real stealth and not during subterfuge

[potent pivot]

that's not the first subterfuge bug i've heard about iirc

i'd suggest reporting it if you feel like it

[outer sky]

I just did

2nd time topping dam

maybe we'll be ok

[wanton breach]

we aren't even on launch patch, things are gonna change

[outer sky]

did he explain why? Shadowrunning is useless, haste is a meh stat, and Deeper just amounts to 5% extra rupture dam

Also does anyone know if this applies to all ticks of garrote?

[potent pivot]

we didn't talk specifics on the utility point you have to spend lower in the tree

shadowrunner seems more useful than -10 energy on vial/feint

extra speed during subterfuge can help lessen the blow of losing acro for CCing off targets or something

[outer sky]

I just had the best SS lobby ever

I got a bug where vanish wasn't going on CD no matter how many times I pressed it

Not reporting that one

I vanished 18 times in one round

[potent pivot]

lmfao

can you imagine if vanish was just a gcd or something

[outer sky]

yeah I just experienced that lol

would be broken af

you cant lose

[outer sky]

I'm on beta and I'm trying to craft gear. Do I actually have to wait for a player to take the order? Why would they when gold is meaningless on beta?

[rare crypt]

if you really want crafted gear, you can max any profession in like 5 minutes

[lapis escarp]

anyone felt that vanish stealth duration nerf from 3 to 1.5 sec? in heated situations when i need to escape it's so terrible

[outer sky]

how? i'm at 25 and cant find any recipes for sale below 35

[rare crypt]

just speak to the trainer again

I think you can get to around 70 with just trainer-learned recipes, then you can buy the purp recipes that take you to 100

[rare crypt]

the actual trainer, "teach me leatherworking" or whatever

[outer sky]

yeah thats him

[rare crypt]

yeah, choose "train me in leatherworking", not the show me goods option

[outer sky]

this guy

i already did

Im 25 in LW

OH

[rare crypt]

you learn new recipes at 15-25-35

[outer sky]

thank

you

Ok now I need to learn "luxurious leathers"

any idea what that means

[rare crypt]

isn't that one of the specializations?

buy the item from the vendor that gives you 1000 knowledge then learn all the professions specializations

[outer sky]

I have this but it doesnt do anything

[rare crypt]

open your leatherworking profession thingy, go to "specializations" tab at the bottom

[outer sky]

nvm

got it

lol

[spring bough]

yall notice this self highlight feature they added?

add a circle or highlight to yourself can see your char better in aoe muckfests lol

[waxen meteor]

what is this? tww?

or current retail

[potent pivot]

beta

[muted abyss]

it's especially bad when you are slowed

[waxen meteor]

oh nice

thought people been saying we are super bad

[potent pivot]

we're not exactly good is the current concensus

[night tulip]

so..for sin pvp...is deathstalker just DOA? It requires ambush from stealth so we'd lose cheap shot entirely. That's just awful.

[outer sky]

No subterfuge counts

Just ambush at some point during those 6 seconds

[night tulip]

oh I thought that had been removed for sin but it was just moved, ty

[outer sky]

Ok Ive optimized my beta toon to have as much mastery as possible right now

while still running 4 set

utilizing crafted gear

time to try it out

thats 52% btw

garrote ticking for 300k

kingsbane hitting for 700k

Ummmmm

I think destro lock is bugged

or it's REALLY good

[idle root]

how much hp does a full conq geared person have

in tww

[potent pivot]

~7m

[idle root]

so that bolt one shot someone? wtf

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

yeah

its a 1 shot

[idle root]

surely it was done in world pvp with modifiers right, :clueless:

bro every blitz bg has 2-3 ele per team lmao

[outer sky]

No

Solo Shuffle

[waxen meteor]

Pre-patch day 1

lol

pve dmg can reflect in pvp in a way

[outer sky]

sort of but you gotta remember pve mobs dont have armor modifiers

[potent pivot]

i believe they do actually

[wintry axle]

did we get saved with the new beta patch notes? Looks great

[outer sky]

Did we?

[wintry axle]

might not be enough, haha

[outer sky]

Outlaw needed like 25%

Assass needed maybe 10%

[idle root]

numbers aside, how do they play?

[wintry axle]

big nerfs on other classes though

they've gutted DK, lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZnEKqowHpg&ab_channel=Supatease

[outer sky]

Is the envenom and CT damage increase in addition to the flat 4% damage buff?

[wintry axle]

Yep

https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/12483-The-War-Within-Beta-Development-Notes-July-24-2024 here are the notes btw.

[outer sky]

Oh

It's beta

[wintry axle]

Yeah.

[outer sky]

Not pre patch

No we did not get saved

[wintry axle]

Ah nah, they wont do shit in prepatch I bet

[outer sky]

I've been on beta all morning

[surreal barn]

PvP feels incredibly slow on beta

[outer sky]

Face a destro lock

[surreal barn]

I will not.

😂

[waxen meteor]

it's funny, this player's name is actually two shitty bolt

[wintry axle]

tried my frost dk alt today, woohaaa they're good now, haha

[outer sky]

On beta?

[wintry axle]

ya

got a nerf today tho, so not sure how we're after

[outer sky]

hopefully garbage

anyway, there's 2 ways blizzard can balance the game

the first option is to make every class so OP that no class actually is OP

the second option, which it looks like theyre going for, is to make every class so underwhelming that theyre all balanced

[idle root]

does anyone know if playing during offseason affect our mmr going into tww?

[outer sky]

and I hate when the gameplay is the 2nd way

[idle root]

wait, bg blitz wins doesnt count towards vicious mount?? wtf I just won a game at 1300 rating and I was at 82% and it's still 82%

no shot

[wanton breach]

It's not rated (yet)

[plucky escarp]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/war-within-beta-class-tuning-hotfixes-july-25th-mage-nerf-rogue-buff-345451?utm_source=discord-webhook

[spring bough]

so im getting the rated bg achieves doing the rated solo bg right now, looks like we could get the titles / mogs if we grind rating in it now lol

[potent pivot]

lmk if you get the elite achieve from it

i want the elite mog for dk if thats the case lmao

something similar happened with shuffle on DF release

[spring bough]

going to keep queing up and see how far i can get. at 1482 and im 8-4 so 12 games so far

[potent pivot]

if you played shuffle during DF prepatch you auto got the DF s1 elite mog

if you hit 1.8 obv

[spring bough]

that would be wicked if we could unlock it early lol

ques are about 5 min right now too

[muted abyss]

god damn is bg blitz full of absolute idiots

nobody wants to sit bases or rotate when you call incomings

[potent pivot]

well

it's rgb solo shuffle

what more can you expect lol

[muted abyss]

I would expect people who like to win lol

like just play normal bgs if you want to brawl on the road all game long

[potent pivot]

there's likely A LOT of regular bg andy's q'ing it rn

now that they aren't being gatekept from rated bg's

[muted abyss]

people completely ignore raid warnings too, just absolute tunnel visioning

[spring bough]

i was able to get the senior sergeant title and veteran of the horde one so far. hoping titles after keep unlocking. want that high warlord lol

[jolly sierra]

ive seen a guy once

which had all those HKs achivs and tried to flex on me cuz i called his shit out

but NO rated achivs, so just insulted him hard for being cocky

[jolly sierra]

tbh rlly love champion title

im aiming for that in next season tho

[spring bough]

im tryna go retro HWL title with the HWL mogs lol

with my argent dawn tabard too

[jolly sierra]

try getting horde pvp garrosh heirlooms

those are hi res weps

[spring bough]

just gotta farm some bronze on my one DH, got all the garrosh drops for them

[muted abyss]

I just gaslight everyone in this rated bg blitz to not go mid lol

I just said that everyone is just gonna go mid and we are gonna lose and literally nobody went mid and we capped both bases lol

[spring bough]

oh wow the classic pvp mogs are the legionnaire achieve not the HWL achieve. thats even better

[jolly sierra]

ye u just need 1k8 to get them

[wanton breach]

can you not get the mog via normal rated pvp now?

sometimes off seasons are scuffed

haven't tried any pvp yet tbf

[potent pivot]

no idea, that's what i'm wanting to know

[spring bough]

im 1800 in solo shuffle and no TWW mog unlock. working on solo bg now will find out later for that lol

[potent pivot]

if you hit 1.8k in DF prepatch you got the s1 mog when DF launched

[wanton breach]

i'd want DF transmogs anyways

[potent pivot]

so i'm kinda hoping the backwards happens this prepatch

if i can get the s4 dk mog rq ima snatch that

[wanton breach]

didn't have time/energy/motivation to get 1800 on hunter/mage/monk

[potent pivot]

i barely played other classes all of DF and played nothing in s4

[steel scarab]

Wait is there a reward based reason to start queueing arena again?

Or am I misunderstanding

[potent pivot]

ah you wouldn't know if you unlocked the TWW mog until season starts

[potent pivot]

no, we're hoping it's bugged

[wanton breach]

i got every 1800 mog in df s3/s4 on all classes except the aforementioned 3 + evoker

[potent pivot]

what a f*cking grinder

[wanton breach]

too much time

[potent pivot]

with my work i didn't get to play as much during DF

[wanton breach]

and on some classes it was very easy

[potent pivot]

and was just pretty unmotivated to play

yeah 1.8k is like

[muted abyss]

1.8k in shuffle is easly doable in like 30* matches or so

[potent pivot]

maybe equivalent to heroic raid or somethin

it's a bad comparison

[wanton breach]

did mostly 2s, that's just sweaty af, solo shuffle is pure brain rot

[potent pivot]

but 1.8 is pretty easy if you have a decent understanding of the game

shuffle q's just take too long

[wanton breach]

even as healer

[muted abyss]

Yup, the biggest issues I see are people just not waiting for DR to cc and using defensives at too low of health

[potent pivot]

if you're only getting 1.8 rq then 2s is def the play

shuffle is basically just pve

[muted abyss]

yup, if you can get a mage that can get on comms and will DB when you sap, it's pretty ez

[potent pivot]

you can't expect people to respect DRs until higher mmr

otherwise it's just a micro cc+pve damage fiesta

[worthy crag]

So solo bg can have 2 healers

anyone know what the best classes would be for those 2 spots?

[potent pivot]

i would imagine rdru is 100% pick rn

other than that prolly pres/priest

i think you can also duo q

not sure if only healers can duo q or if dps can too

[narrow brook]

healer + dps or healer +tank in duo q

rog / disc is pretty nice

[outer sky]

holy shit outlaw actually pumps on beta now

dispatch hitting as hard as kingsbane LOL

[potent pivot]

yeah i heard earlier that outlaw was looking surprisingly good

which is wild to me considering the armor buffs

and ww doing zdps

[outer sky]

Fatebound

[potent pivot]

what was your dps looking like

[outer sky]

idk it was a scuffed game

[potent pivot]

mmm

[outer sky]

queueing another now ill report back shortly

[potent pivot]

ww discord pinned this message about armor buffs

apparently they think it's bugged

[outer sky]

yeah they do

[potent pivot]

wait check your armor on beta

supposedly armor is way lower on beta than it is on live

just want to know your rating and phys dmg reduc % in conq gear

[outer sky]

sure sec

Also for outlaw I know we want crit/vers but if you have to choose between haste and mastery what do you choose?

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste=/=Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 25% Haste on Outlaw for 0.8s GCD during ADR.

[outer sky]

i dont think thats possible for s1

[potent pivot]

haste gained a lot of value with the ADR changes

i think it will be when it launches

i'm assuming the gear on beta has placeholder stats

[outer sky]

nah no chance

I have haste on 5 pieces and I'm at 6%

thats including the haste pvp trinket

ok queueing a skirm

ill screenshot my armor when I load in

[muted abyss]

I'm running some of the bloody token gear to optimize my mastery as well

[potent pivot]

do all the gear pieces on beta have stupid high vers and low secondaries otherwise? like low haste/mast/crit

[muted abyss]

bloody token cloak,waist, pve converted wrist

[outer sky]

yeah high vers low everything else

but you want the vers as outlaw

[potent pivot]

yeah idk if thats what the gear will look like in s1

[outer sky]

on beta?

[muted abyss]

oh no, just retail

mb if y'all are talking about beta

[outer sky]

yeah we are

dont screw yourself out of 3 ilvls of agi bro

if you want vers/mast gear

craft it

[potent pivot]

for what spec?

[muted abyss]

sin and sub, but mostly sin cause of the armor issue on retail rn

[potent pivot]

sub isn't terrible on live

it has FW

[outer sky]

on beta its the lowest damage ive ever seen

I genuinely felt like I wasnt even level 80

[potent pivot]

weird

have you tried since the buffs?

[outer sky]

your entire burst with full CDs wont get someone to 70%

yes

[potent pivot]

yeah that's weird af

if outlaw is doing well sub should be as well

[outer sky]

its just a tuning issue

[potent pivot]

compared to where they were before prepatch+changes+buffs etc

[outer sky]

the numbers aren't where they need to be for sub

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm just saying, something might be bugged or something

rogue across the board has had nothing but buffs so far iirc

so just seems odd

[outer sky]

Ok here's my armor on beta

in a game

[potent pivot]

yeah that would be like 40-60% on live

maybe it is bugged

let's hope that's the case

if so, we're big chillin

no wonder outlaws good on beta and bad on live

[outer sky]

40-60% more?

[potent pivot]

like the phys dam reduc would be 40-60% in total

plate classes have like 80% reduc rn

even cloth have 40%

[outer sky]

ah ya

this is my rogue on retail rn LOL

[potent pivot]

yep

shit is way off

[muted abyss]

are evokers supposed to be able to glide halway across the map in bg blitz?

I thought they nerfed a lot of these movement abilities in rated, guess not in blitz

[potent pivot]

it should be the same as rgb

not sure if that was a thing in rgb or not

[muted abyss]

hmm, doesn't seem to be, huge advantage on horde side then

[kind parcel]

Both sides get evokers how is it a horde adv?

[muted abyss]

alliance base is higher up so you can actually glide

[spring bough]

was getting like 130 rating a win from solo bgs.... then hit 1600 and its like 20 a win if that lol

[outer sky]

It feels like theres more CC on beta

I'm just CCd through all my CS windows

Is there an addon like or similar to bigdebuffs for beta?

I just know I'm hitting into walls

[potent pivot]

flyplatebuffs maybe?

might not work either acually

[lavish idol]

I hope they sort this bs armor reduction soonish, I have 40% more mount to grind out. I dropped from 1950 to 1650 and still losing

[potent pivot]

i have a feeling the soonest it'll be fixed is next week

[lavish idol]

That I could handle, I just play Elden ring for a week

We have probably till week before launch to grind it out right?

[potent pivot]

could always level alts or other stuff

launch isn't for a few weeks

[lavish idol]

Just want this mount sorted then wait for exp

[potent pivot]

oh week before

not sure

[lavish idol]

But foolish me to assume I could actually play my main in pvp

[potent pivot]

sin/sub aren't doing terrible

[lavish idol]

Doesn’t sub do even less dmg then before? I always struggled. And sin, well to be honest I hardly ever played it - always went outlaw or sub

I did try it tonight but I need some weeks to learn to play it

[potent pivot]

yes sub is doing less dmg than before prepatch but it isn't unplayable

[lavish idol]

Might give it a go then, I guess it’s more in the good cc/duel etc to make the chances, and hope your opponent is a dk or ele

Sorry hope you’re other dps is

Hope your opponent is ww monk and outlaw rogue

[sharp sierra]

Why do I feel so weak as an Outlaw rogue? Wasn't rogue buffed?

Everyone has so many self heals

[potent pivot]

because it's believed that when they buffed armor across the board, they bugged it

[potent pivot]

rogue was buffed on beta not live

[sharp sierra]

nice...I feel like I don't hit as hard

oh

Like Im almost full gear in live and feel weaker

[potent pivot]

outlaw is mostly physical dmg so it's aggected the most from the armor bug

yep

[sharp sierra]

than I did a few weeks agho

[potent pivot]

yep

[lavish idol]

on beta I saw screenshot of like 15% reduction, on live people have like 50%

[potent pivot]

yep

was posted not long ago if you scroll up

[lavish idol]

I mean just fix the decimal point that’s clearly broken

Why does it take a week

[potent pivot]

pretty sure it's not that simple

[lavish idol]

Did they even test it?!

Probably not 😛 but that’s why as a game company they are meant to do like testing or something

[potent pivot]

outlaw and ww are probably the only 2 specs in the game atm that are almost unplayable

if you don't play sub or sin it'd be a good time to play some alts or something

[lavish idol]

Anyway I try sin or sub tomorrow maybe. Too salty right now. Good night!

Can you do pvp mount on alt? It’s shared?

Might be easier to just l2p my ele shaman and honor gear

[muted abyss]

remember fotm builds usually get nerfed

I wouldn't choose a main based on balance rn

[outer sky]

Based on my testing i think assa's hero talents are simply undertuned

as outlaw fatebound coin is doing 10% of my damage

and thats just the one talent

Ok its less than that across all games but its still a lot

here's my damage breakdown after 6 rounds

[wintry dew]

They are still tuning up numbers let's keep that in mind

[outer sky]

You clearly have much more faith in blizzard than I do

[wintry dew]

I mean

They are literally doing it

They did yesterday and today

https://youtu.be/yusK9Nw7fNc?si=x2FMIu43GP3OKoop

[outer sky]

I know I'm not worried about them doing it I'm worried about them doing it right

[wintry dew]

I mean that's valid

We can just hope

[worthy crag]

This new premeditation talent is pretty interesting

[outer sky]

Ya know whats absolutely insane

[surreal barn]

Sub goremaw build kinda fun atm in blitz

[outer sky]

that there's no built in DR tracker to the default wow UI

its been a mechanic since day 1

and a very important one

[worthy crag]

Sadly in TWW I think the meta build will shift even more towards thistle tea + dark brew with no goremaw

I remember when DR timer was random with a variance of 5 sec

[surreal barn]

Not my meta lol

But yeah you’re probably right

[outer sky]

were you the sub rogue I just beat in that skirm?

[worthy crag]

thistle tea empowered eviscerate is gonna hit pretty hard

[surreal barn]

Nah you’d have lost

[outer sky]

lmfao

[surreal barn]

Was goremaw always 45 seconds?

[worthy crag]

Yes

[outer sky]

yeppers

[worthy crag]

by always if you mean DF, it may have been a minute in legion

[surreal barn]

Perforated veins into dance goremaw ~> sectec ensures all crit, seems like I can just drop cold blood 🤔

[outer sky]

I feel like if sub is ever more than just a stun bot it gets nerfed hard

[worthy crag]

What ensures sectec to crit?

[outer sky]

back to being a stun bot

[outer sky]

cold blood

[surreal barn]

The new premed

[outer sky]

ohhh

[surreal barn]

Nah no cold blood

[outer sky]

maybe I should try sub

[worthy crag]

Isn't new premed just full combo points?

[surreal barn]

The new premed is a game changer

Go down and pick up the rotten with it

[worthy crag]

ironically because shadowy duel is in the game

they cant allow sub to do damage when duel is a thing

so I always advocate the hot take that duel needs to be removed, so that sub can actually have meaningful dmg

I have no idea what you mean by "new premed"

Am I missing something

[surreal barn]

Or make a talent that converts smoke bomb to fuel

Duel*

[lucid citrus]

Premed got reworked

[outer sky]

what hero tree does sub use?

[worthy crag]

im leaning towards deathstalker because it just seems easier to use

the other one is kinda convoluted but being immune to parry is pretty nice vs warriors

Yeah I can't find this reworked premed

[surreal barn]

Left side of sub tree midway down

[worthy crag]

Trickster will most certainly have higher potential damage if you can shove Coup de Grace empowred evis along with 5 flawless form stacked sec tech but

ehh

[outer sky]

Are these the talents we play?

[worthy crag]

I mean, I know what premed is doing now

but where does it say anything about critting?

Cuz I thought you were saying you can now drop cold blood

[surreal barn]

Ah

I have rotten too

[worthy crag]

Rotten is for generators only, it wont guarantee sec tech crit

thats why ppl pick CB

[surreal barn]

But that doesn’t work on sectec so I guess still need the cb

[worthy crag]

Looks like you didnt click the 2nd vanish node

[outer sky]

oops

What do I drop for it

[worthy crag]

You also shouldnt pick shrouded in darkness unless ur committing to 25 sec SoD

ur also missing deeper strat on spec tree

prob acrobatic strikes

wait

[worthy crag]

You should either do thistle tea + dark brew OR no-thistle and goremaw

thistle and goremaw make no sense

[outer sky]

Why? Doesnt tea increase finisher damage?

[worthy crag]

If ur speccing thistle tea the idea is to buff ur mastery and your playstyle will revolve around eviscerates

Goremaw is not a finisher though

[outer sky]

ok so drop goremaw?

[worthy crag]

If ur speccing goremaw, the idea is generally to favore versatility over mastery (since mast wont do anything) and pick up rotten/cold blood

like zeiss said above

[outer sky]

Which build is better?

[worthy crag]

If ur aiming for finisher oriented gameplay, which will most certainly be meta, then yea

99.9% thistle tea and dark brew

and danse macabre

[outer sky]

Can you show me the talents

[muted abyss]

How's armor values on beta? scuffed like retail?

[worthy crag]

how do I take a screenshot like that

from wowhead

[outer sky]

No its way better. I'm max geared with at level 80 on beta and my armor is reducing damage by 16%. On retail its 50%

[outer sky]

Print screen button

then ctrl-v

[muted abyss]

okay, sweet I can still play my hunter alt lol

[worthy crag]

So this is my current take on what meta build would look like

If you have premed, you probably won't need First Dance, which would make that a flex point

get weaponmaster instead etc.

I personally like 25 sec SoD so I'll divert 2 points to spec into Shrouded in Darkness & Swift Death

[surreal barn]

Might get flag too

Dropping a vanish

Depends on how slow the gameplay is

[worthy crag]

yeah there's still some wiggle room for personal preference

I like playing shadowcraft

[surreal barn]

Which I feel will be sloooow

[worthy crag]

so i take 1 point into shadowdust and take it

[outer sky]

Does this also function as a smoke bomb?

[worthy crag]

I wouldnt count on it lol

[outer sky]

the animation is identical

I bet you could juke a trinket with it

[worthy crag]

That would be hilarious

Trickster is gonna be nice cuz it'd let you hit through warrior die by the sword or gouge a fist of fury

cuz fazed enemies cant parry your shit

[surreal barn]

Good thinking

[jolly sierra]

sounds like a gaslight

[muted abyss]

reminds me of when you would bind hearthstone as a druid to make people think you were casting a heal lol

[worthy crag]

So there's no way for us to buy conquest gears rn right?

cuz conquest isnt obtainable

[surreal barn]

Is the new subterfuge gonna just not let us cheap shot anymore or is it a bug

[lucid citrus]

I think its bugged in beta right now

[surreal barn]

Live too

Well, sometimes

It was in my last blitz

[lucid citrus]

its not bugged for me on live?

[worthy crag]

u sure you werent disarmed

[shy nebula]

is honor trasnfering bugged?

i cannot buy the thing to trasnfer honor to my alts nor i can trasnfer them directly with the update

[surreal barn]

yep

[long shore]

Rogue talent tree feels exactly the same before and after pre patch

Did the devs not put any effort at all?!

Was looking forward to some changes :/ the rogue life looking quite rough for the expansion

[potent pivot]

there were some changes made

we could be dh with literally 0 changes, but we're not

[waxen meteor]

Hey guys, what does it mean some of the weekly quest (like 1500 honor from arena this week)

the quest can be clicked and changed from blue to yellow

like this

[potent pivot]

pretty sure that just means you're tracking it/focusing it?

[long shore]

Ah I was comparing to monk which felt like it had so many changes

[potent pivot]

like when you click a campaign quest icon it updates the arrow that points to your objective

[long shore]

Monks go so fast now and fort brew is such a good cool-down now

[waxen meteor]

ha? what's the difference between them

[potent pivot]

don't think it matters for pvp quests, not sure

[waxen meteor]

ok!

[potent pivot]

not every class is going to get reworked every expansion

that's expecting too much

[waxen meteor]

i guess some classes get new skills at hero talent

i see some skills get removed from pre-patch

like sp no longer has mindgame

[potent pivot]

they do still have it

[waxen meteor]

hunter loses some skills

as pvp talent yeah

[potent pivot]

mind games is a pvp talent now

we lost SBS as an active spell

now it's passive

[long shore]

But honest opinion. How are rogues looking for the expansion?

[potent pivot]

i'm sure we'll be fine

as per usual

[waxen meteor]

everybody says it's not good now.

but anyway at this stage too early to say

[potent pivot]

rogue is looking fine on beta

whoever says it's not good is tripping

[long shore]

Yes thankfully it’s just beta for testing

[waxen meteor]

it's like talking about nba draft when you are at middle school

[long shore]

I hope sub rogue is great again

[potent pivot]

we're not doing well in prepatch because of armor

[waxen meteor]

so you can tell a bit but really not that much

[potent pivot]

but it's prepatch

[long shore]

Miss the good old days of combat rogue

[potent pivot]

doesn't matter that much

[waxen meteor]

i really can't find spot for mind game

that skill most likely will be gone for sp i guess

[steel scarab]

It's not that I think we're bad per se

It's that I don't think our hero trees are fun or satisfying

[steel scarab]

Initial impressions in prepatch. Please note that I haven't tried out the hero trees yet, so my talent tree impressions are solely based upon the current game, which doesn't have hero tree implementation yet.

Cut to the Chase becoming baseline was a massive QOL improvement that's been overdue for several expansions.

Acrobatic Strikes nerf feels bad, but whatever

Losing Shadow Dance feels awful, and a lot of talents tied to Stealth are now much worse due to Vanish having twice the CD Dance had. Example: Master Assassin, which was not buffed at all in compensation.

Now that Nightstalker is gone, Subterfuge feels practically worthless for assassination. Since we no longer get the damage buff from stealth, what is Subterfuge even doing besides allowing us to Cheap Shot for 6 seconds?

Double Vanish is really nice, but since every spec has access to this, AND Subtlety will have 2 Vanishes AND two Dances, I am very concerned for assassination's viability in pvp unless our sustained damage is massive compared to subtlety.

Echoing Reprimand still requires 2 talent points to become good, and it's gated behind worthless Recuperator (and the newly nerfed but still OK Acro Strikes)

Blindside still seems like it needs a buff. Our builders, Mutilate and Ambush, still seem to do poor damage. They should probably revert this talent to 20%/40% chance, or else add some utility to it so it feels impactful. Maybe like, a 2% armor debuff that stacks with other abilities to give us something nice for raid, since that's the only content Blindside has been good in lately.

Arterial Precision is still a cool talent but feeling compelled to dump 3 prior talent points buffing Shiv in order to make it more worthwhile feels awful when Shiv has such a sizable cooldown.

Serrated Bone Spike change is very good and reduces button bloat. Gives us a bit less control but overall a good change.

Doomblade is still stupidly bad.

Lethal Dose is still stupidly good and requiring 2 points to take a talent that's so important is dumb.

Improved Poisons is still a feels bad talent. You only really want this when you take DTB, and yet you're punished for taking this with DTB as its application chance is reduced from +5% per poison to like, +3%.

Shrouded Suffocation, again, is significantly worse now that Dance is gone.

Sanguine Strategem is an awesome and welcome change that will probably feel great with our hero tree buffing Envenom.

Twist the Knife has been considered bad for a long time and I doubt it's going to start being amazing now.

Kingsbane seems not great anymore, after multiple nerfs.

Did Airborne Intent get nerfed further or buffed? Maybe I'm forgetting the values, but was it 60% and now it's 70%? If so, that seems like a slight buff.

Superior Mixture being gated behind Improved Wound Poison is dumb.

Iron Stomach is fine, but it's a pretty feels bad talent in arena when you don't have a warlock teammate to give you healthstones, AND since you can't use healing potions.

Unbreakable Stride, I wish had some sort of animation to notify you that it's actually doing something. Would be nice.

Rushed Setup has been completely worthless in PvE settings and yet the 20% energy value does not generally do enough to feel impactful in PvP, so I'm just not sure what the deal with this talent is.

(doubly so for Sub, which can have a free cheap shot)

Shadowheart is just laughably bad. I cannot even begin to imagine what the purpose of this is. I mean, maybe paired with Dance it could have been slightly impactful, but again, even assuming it's procced with Subterfuge, it's still just such a low number that I can't imagine it being good for assassination

Both Improved Ambush and Tight Spender do not feel like impactful enough talent options to be that far down the tree.

[sharp sierra]

Ya it feels so weak fro some reason lol. Ill prob play beta for a bit to get used to it.

[steel scarab]

Another positive: Envenom seems to be hitting WAY harder than it used to, which gives me hope for the future

The tooltips for our finishers also seem bugged when you have Deeper Stratagem and Sanguine Stratagem, and only show the values for a 6 combo point finisher, not 7

It's also still dumb that Vicious Venoms is a 2 point talent and has massive anti-synergy with Sanguine Blades, which has become absolutely mandatory in all content for the past several patches. I'm hoping they either push us toward build variety that allows people to have competitive damage using builders via Blindside + Systemic Failure + Vicious Venoms OR opt for a more bleed oriented build centered around Sanguine Blades, but the way energy regeneration has been throughout Dragonflight, even trying to stack haste, it has been just totally nonviable to use Vicious Venoms with Sanguine Blades. And considering Sanguine Blades is a 1 point talent AND adds more DPS than 2 points in Vicious Venoms, it's just a no-brainer, which makes me feel like VV is just bad design

Either VV needs to not increase the energy cost of our builders, or it needs to significantly increase the damage of our builders to the point that it's worth taking over Sanguine Blades, because I cannot imagine Blizzard is going to give us enough energy regeneration to ever take both of these talents and actually be able to play the game properly.

Anyway, sorry for the wall of text, hopefully someone found my ramblings mildly insightful

[jolly sierra]

i dont know what will be relevant for next season

maybe w tier we could have an idea

lemme see mmm

god this is awful

doesnt worth a 5% more dmg tho, for that just raise versa mastery in ur items

i'm checking tier items and seems gloves and pants are the better option for chose first

[stoic spruce]

I did some hella work on outlaw when prepatch launched. I'd have to look into how.

Mightve been the pve gear

Idk

[potent pivot]

if sin set isn't nerf in pvp i'm pretty sure 4 set is good

basically perma +10% bleed damage

[jolly sierra]

its already 0.5 trickz

i checked the tier bonus

if is just a 5% then is more worth raising mastery imo

[potent pivot]

we'll see

it's a new expac, secondary stats are going to be very low

[jolly sierra]

if u wanna theorize i can tell u the secondary stats from all those items

[potent pivot]

prolly not going to be able to gain enough mastery off 2 armor pieces

the stats on beta are most likely placeholder

that's why i haven't really bothered

[jolly sierra]

chest-gloves-helm-legs-shoulders

[potent pivot]

yeah, those stats may not stay

[jolly sierra]

idk tbh

what looks so wrong

[potent pivot]

even if they do, running 2 tier pieces with mastery and 2 without isn't that bad

nothing looks wrong, but a lot of the time blizzard just throws placeholder stats on new items in ptr/beta

i like how sub got away with no pvp mod on it's tier

lmao

if that stays true no shot you don't run it on sub

[wanton breach]

Surely haste will be valuable on sub in TWW

[potent pivot]

[wanton breach]

surely that won't happen for over an entire season, let's say like for dh

[grave basin]

Lol do we remember soul rending being top damage by a huge margin

Cause they didn't put the 50% modifier on their 2set the whole season

[stoic spruce]

Despite the many posts

[indigo hill]

You all think Nelf will still be the go to race in Tww?

[wanton breach]

very likely yes, nelf has always been good for rogues

[indigo hill]

Im new to rogue pvp. Will other races be a massive downgrade or is it hardly noticeble?

[wintry dew]

Hardly noticeable if your just learning

Really noticeable if you're playing in high ratings

[indigo hill]

High rating over 2,4k?

[wintry dew]

I'd say, with my lack of experience that 2.1+ you really notice when someone can make plays thanks to meld

[knotty gyro]

would you say that holds true for (solo) RBGs as well?

[untold remnant]

Yes, especially as Assa where you get another way to get into subterfuge to spread mass bleeds or stun everyone

I used to play blood elf rogue due to the theme. Managed to get 2.4 in shuffle in season 1 and 2, got 2.3 in 3s.

Swapped to night elf in S4 and boy.. got legend and gladiator due to the extra playmaking potential that meld offers.

Sometimes it bugs, but if you do macro

/castsequence reset=5 Shadowmeld, Stealth

Spam the button to enter stealth and to prevent the empowered stealth from bugging you just press 1 fok or auto and you can do another round of cheap shot or silence garrote

It really felt like a huge step up from being a blood elf, which is not a great PvP race anyway (although random BoP dispels rock)

I felt really bad for not swapping to night elf earlier, is how strong it feels on rogue

[indigo hill]

Ill just stick to my nelf then. 😄 I plan on getting to at least 2.1 coming season.

For now Outlaw feels very weak in pvp. Is Sub or Ass better till TWW officialy launches?

[stoic spruce]

My favorite part about Outlaw is I get to roleplay what it would be like to take down a sentient being CLEARLY not made in God's image

PoV: You're a weird freaky spider thing completely sentient but not made in God's image

Pew pew pew pew pew

[indigo hill]

Was exactly my reason for picking it. 😂

[stoic spruce]

What the weird little spider baby sees when it begs me for his life

Total Spider Death

Alien Death

Me and the raid boss

[wintry dew]

This is what I mean when I say "race does not matter if you are learning, meld will just over complicate things, but if you already know the basics and know how to play properly, having meld will just increase your playmaking"

Glad to see my preaches aren't without foundation

[stoic spruce]

Royallllll

[wintry dew]

What's up my man popo

[old brook]

belf was lit when their racial was an aoe silence. rip

[spring bough]

How are yall making out with solo bgs? I racked up a few losses last night lol. 12-8 at 1630 and its like 15 rating a win lol

[surreal barn]

3 wins 1 loss so far

On node maps sub is king, you still survival?

[spring bough]

yeah been playing survival for now since its pretty much my only char i can played rated with lol

the build i figured out is too good with the wildfire bomb and explosive shot spams topping most bgs unless a DK is in them lol

[untold remnant]

True, miss that

[indigo hill]

Not great. Won 1 out 8.

Assassination is doing more damage than outlaw but less fun to play.

[surreal barn]

I hope they let us bring over MoP characters sooner :/

[wintry dew]

around this time until we get them

[spring bough]

yeah RIP cant even play that cause power leveled chars ilvl vs max difference is beyond ridiculous

[wintry dew]

They just nerfed raid bosses and stuff even HARDER

so its even easier to do stuff

[spring bough]

i got 7 70s there and on 2 on live right now lol. hunter or DH and the hunters won that out

[indigo hill]

I levelled a monk of each race on remix. Will never play them.😅

[spring bough]

i just wanna play rogue again but its gotta wait 24 days lol

for rated pvp that is

[indigo hill]

Think it's faster to level one normally and gear it.

[spring bough]

im saying i gotta wait for my 70 rogue to come out of remix before i can play rated with it again lol. wish they let u transfer early

dont want to have two of them lol

[indigo hill]

An early transfer would have been nice. Felt it was a bit to quick to get everything out of it and then your char is kinda just hanging out in pandaland.

They should have given the option with prepatch release.

[muted abyss]

I have 4 rogues lined up

aint never gonna pay for a race change or name change lol

[indigo hill]

I just hope they fix the armor problem soon.

[grave basin]

it's not gonna be fixed

it's not even close to being on their radar now, theyre rushing the new expac

[surreal barn]

What’s wrong with it

Seemed fine to me?

[outer sky]

Got the vanish bug again on beta where vanish isn't going on CD. 41 vanishes in a solo shuffle

[surreal barn]

The chosen one

[wanton breach]

if anyone ever tries to cast -> shs+kick+vanish on repeat

[wintry axle]

what builds u guys running on prepatch for assa atm? CB/KB?

And, do we use Crimson Tempest? The guides on pinned dont say we do, but the bleed is higher than rupture, and over less time?

[outer sky]

I run KB/CB as assa on beta

and right now I'm applying the same logic as on retail for CT

if I can get value out of indiscriminate carnage, I run it and CT

if I cant I run doomblade and bonespike

[wintry axle]

Alright, thanks. What do you swap out for bonespike and doomblade CT and Thrown Protection?

[solar relic]

has it always been that rated pvp is associated with the spec you play? just started with a bit of blitzes as outlaw for fun, but figured out its super crap and its not so encouraging having to restart from 0 as assa/sub -.-

[wintry dew]

yes

(yes, started in DF)

[worthy crag]

for solo stuff yea

not for 2s or 3s

[outer sky]

you swap out CT and indiscriminate carnage

[wintry axle]

oh ofcourse, haha mb

I've got to try that, I dont like the CT playstyle

[outer sky]

Its better in most cases

but there's a few where its not

like for example if youre fighting double caster and one of the casters is a mage, I wouldn't run CT/IC unless the other caster is a demo lock

or unless I'm playing with a DK

[wintry axle]

Yeah, I can see why its good,

[outer sky]

if there's ever a melee on the team or an evoker, always take CT/IC

[wintry axle]

but does IC benefit of CT?

[outer sky]

unless maybe into jungle if the hunter isnt BM

[outer sky]

no they're independant. The reason why you either take them both or drop them both is because of you can't spread dots well enough with IC to make it worth taking you probably also aren't able to keep good enough uptime on CT

so its better to have bonespikes ticking on them

basically forever

doomblade is trash. You only take it because you need to in order to get to bone spike

[wintry axle]

ah alright

petition to swap CT and bonespike slots in the tree

[potent pivot]

Armor in prepatch is like 40-85%, on beta is like 15-25%

[potent pivot]

That’d be terrible

[wintry axle]

then i wouldnt have to adapt to ct

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[jolly sierra]

do u thing that sanguine strategem will be picked?

looks interesting

[outer sky]

assass needs help. I'm 2700 on retail and this is the absolute most damage I could pump out

[wintry axle]

is that beta?

[outer sky]

yeah

[wintry axle]

yikes

[wintry dew]

What if assa was actually doing normal numbers, but the other classes are overbuffed?

[outer sky]

No i dont think so. Everything feels so unimpactful

I smoke bomb and pop all my CDs and their health hardly moves

[wintry dew]

[outer sky]

These are my kingsbanes

and I have the most mastery possible on beta rn

[potent pivot]

kinda doubt it, unless fok build becomes bad

[outer sky]

now granted, I have no addons so its perfectly possible I'm hitting into walls sometimes

I'd give anything for big debuffs on beta

but still

[potent pivot]

weren't you doing top dam in all the other games you posted

[outer sky]

that was pre patch on live

[potent pivot]

#pvp message

[outer sky]

Crimson Tempest on beta does so little damage that it doesnt even feel worth the global to press

[outer sky]

idk that hasnt happened since then and i've been spamming games. Mustve been a fluke. or maybe I just did a really good job shutting down the locks. Regardless that's not the norm on beta rn

CT is ticking for an average of like 45k

when everyone has almost 8m hp

[potent pivot]

have you tried running tier set or a different build

[outer sky]

yeah I have 4 set

Tried the CT and bonespike build

[potent pivot]

try DTB build

[outer sky]

I also maxxed out leatherworking, tailoring, blacksmithing, and jewelcrafting so I could optimize my gear with crafting

[outer sky]

can you show me what it looks like please

[potent pivot]

yeah 1 min

also are you pressing ambush for your hero talents

[outer sky]

yes ofc

[potent pivot]

ok i just didn't see it on the breakdown so had to ask lol

[potent pivot]

there's a couple diff ways you can do it, 1 is dropping some execute while keeping KB. the other is dropping KB+IC for execute, so it's either this:

or this:

just doesn't seem worth it to grab amp poison

[worthy crag]

any changes to sin that guts their aoe dmg is welcome to me

Was so cringe watching them do crimson tempest and fok w.e with afflocks

[potent pivot]

i mean that's part of the spec

sin having good all around bleed dmg is what people have wanted forever

[wintry axle]

i want sub viable, thats all I want

[potent pivot]

rather than being an upkeep X+X and spam envenom

[worthy crag]

But I dont think it was ever as emphasized as it was in the prev season

Yeah im fine with their design with increasing agi with multiple ruptures and multi target garroting