against a chicken and a sp
#pvp
sick wasp
ive healed a rogue from this discord yday,dude was so proud of his ''2.1''
ended up on losing 4 games
ive ended in a draw
was a rough matchup though
double shaman double hunter
jolly sierra
from this discord?
oof
damn
was someone known here?
by far ive met from here royal, calestrian, edaniel, blackguard and merek
idk if ive met someone without knowing from here
untold remnant
I have not been proud of 2.1 since BFA š«£
Getting Elite for the first time was real nice. And currently 10/50 progress towards my first ever gladiator
sick wasp
idk if ive met someone without knowing from here
he doesnt lurk in pvp channel but ik him very well
sick wasp
From skillcapped free addon
Only using my own WAs,idk
although i am subbed there,like watching vids for strats n stuff
sometimes we rly missing obvious counters
grave basin
It's pretty nifty, condenses all my procs and defensives into tiny icons next to my toon
I used to make these custom ones as well like how long I have left on alter time
Or turtle
But their WA pack has all of that so I deleted most of my own
Actually a big one that you can get not even from skill capped is the one that shows when you have externals on you
Like ironbark
I can't believe I didn't know about that one till s3
maiden siren
Hello everyone, I find myself struggling a lot with ret palas in 3s (~2.2/2.3ish mmr), mostly when paired up with DHs, but any comp with a ret really is a pain. One minute wall + 1 minute shield + bop + bubble, and getting a cc on the healer seems near impossible w/o voice considering that if you leave a GCD to the ret he can sanct him, so hard to swap.
I have als oheard peeling wise that garrote has more effect than disarm on em right ?
waxen meteor
lol i have the first reaction like everyone else, i am generally stunned by the UI a bit
not sure if i captured the details i should have during first watch
I felt you never used feint?
CT position/timing can improve a bit, I feel there are multiple chances you can actually hit CT all targets at once but you didn't use it even you had max cp
waxen meteor
Hello everyone, I find myself struggling a lot with ret palas in 3s (~2.2/2.3ish...
disarm cannot stop ret dmg, they can still do a bunch of dmg, but it can greatly reduce its burst (no finisher during disarm)
disarm does same for DH
the wall is not a big issue, iirc it's only 10% reduction now, the shield indeed big
i guess normally you would keep ret as main target 247, must send another go during 30 seconds Forbearance
not a lot of time we can waste for that 30 seconds
maiden siren
disarm does same for DH
well I've stopped taking disarm against dhs since they just press vengeful retreat
waxen meteor
yeah no need to take disarm against dh
untold remnant
hopefully we actually get a single line of changes
Yes: the single line was ārecuperate now heals every 3 (was 2) secondsā
calm heath
Yes: the single line was ārecuperate now heals every 3 (was 2) secondsā
Sweet so now Recuperate is slightly trashier trash š
plucky escarp
Seems like the general consensus is pretty doom and gloom for rogue in the TWW?
potent pivot
Seems like the general consensus is pretty doom and gloom for rogue in the TWW?
nah, people just doom for the sake of dooming
we are chilling
plucky escarp
Iām a newly declared rogue main (previously SV ride or die), so the outside perception was also ārogues always think their class is trashā
So, Iām happy to adopt the mentality for appearances
potent pivot
Iām a newly declared rogue main (previously SV ride or die), so the outside perc...
well while current state of rogue on beta is somewhat behind the pack PvE wise, so people doom. we should still have tuning to come even a few weeks into the season so i find the dooming mostly unfounded.
a lot of people are upset about losing certain abilties and other things, etc
potent pivot
So, Iām happy to adopt the mentality for appearances
yeah you'd be better off not 
plucky escarp
I think no dance on assa is going to be awkward, but idk. Maybe it will be fine
potent pivot
rogue especially in pvp has no reason to be super upset rn imo
pve tuning will come, the rest of the community will be fine once it does
plucky escarp
Nice. I feel like synergy wise Sub and deathstalker look nice together
Idk about assa and deathstalker without a dance but Iāve never played assa without dance either
cedar imp
any tips for a new pvp player to whos looking to pick up sub?
potent pivot
Idk about assa and deathstalker without a dance but Iāve never played assa witho...
well the class tree now has subterfuge and an extra vanish charge at the bottom
so sin/outlaw will have 2 charges of vanish and 6 sec subterfuge
that's somewhat similar to having dance
potent pivot
any tips for a new pvp player to whos looking to pick up sub?
practice, practice, practice
watch some rogue pvp streamers, study what every class does
cedar imp
cedar imp
Will definitely come back with questions after i've gotten my ass kicked in a hndful of times
potent pivot
yeah idk how familiar you are with the game in general, but
hit target dummies a lot, start with battlegrounds for a little while etc
once you're more on the comfortable side with your kit, start trying solo shuffle
cedar imp
yeah idk how familiar you are with the game in general, but
Not very, started playing wow in January. 4/9 mythic Demolock, 2900 raider io for m+
potent pivot
Not very, started playing wow in January. 4/9 mythic Demolock, 2900 raider io fo...
well you've got a decent understanding of the game at least
like spells, some mechanical play etc
cedar imp
somewhat :)
potent pivot
i'm sure you'll get the hang of it fairly quickly, pvp is quite different from pve but a lot of the fundamentals still apply
wintry dew
Not very, started playing wow in January. 4/9 mythic Demolock, 2900 raider io fo...
4/9 mythic and 2900 Io is WAY ABOVE AVERAGE
If you did that and you "just" started playing, I bet you can achieve high ceilings
jolly sierra
4/9 mythic and 2900 Io is WAY ABOVE AVERAGE
can disagree a little w that, a friend which constantly does cutting edge hates pvp and when he goes barely reach 1k7 xd
guy is crazy good, but in pvp can stress and colapse a lot
cedar imp
Im sure pvp is a completely different game type
cedar imp
If you did that and you "just" started playing, I bet you can achieve high ceili...
haha thanks for the compliment
I hope I can live up to your expectations
wanton breach
can disagree a little w that, a friend which constantly does cutting edge hates ...
why do you disagree? that is above average
pve doesn't directly translate to pvp
wintry dew
I believe he meant in a way that being good at PvE does not translate being good at pvp
jolly sierra
why do you disagree? that is above average
depends of player
wintry dew
Which is true
jolly sierra
a player can be very good in a bracket
and very bad in the other one
and vice versa
wintry dew
Yeah you're right, but I meant in the PvE bracket
jolly sierra
I believe he meant in a way that being good at PvE does not translate being good...
basically
jolly sierra
Yeah you're right, but I meant in the PvE bracket
oh yeah, sure
wait im showing his achivs
wintry dew
Some people just hate pvp
wintry dew
haha thanks for the compliment
No worries brother, you got this
wintry dew
Pvp and PvE are really different scenarios as we both know. Maybe he just does not care enough to play pvp therefore not going higher than 1700
He also only tried 1 season during bfa
So it doesn't really prove he's bad
jolly sierra
pvp =/= pve basically
wintry dew
Yeah
jolly sierra
depends of player
wintry dew
I mean, that's a wild take
jolly sierra
I mean, that's a wild take
very wild
cuz u are reaching the highest difficulty of pve
wintry dew
Wild as in you are wrong
jolly sierra
in the time
wintry dew
It is
potent pivot
cutting edge is considered difficult by a vast majority of the wow community, just because it might not be difficult to you doesn't mean it isn't difficult
jolly sierra
speak for urself dude
wintry dew
Are you talking ahead of the curve?
jolly sierra
yeah, sound a little entiltled
potent pivot
a very small percentage of guilds get cutting edge
compared to the wow community as a whole
wintry dew
You being good and having a good group to play with is a thing. The casual Andy does not do it
Big time investment is one thing that makes it hard
potent pivot
there are players who just can't do it because it's difficult
if you've raided you'd know that some people just don't have it
so saying it's easy is just a bad take
wintry dew
Cutting edge is the top PvE achievment
Respectable is having aotc
You're talking about 100 players, I'm talking about the rest of them
potent pivot
i've raided at a CE level and i agree with royal 100%
wintry dew
I mean, you can take that take to the spec channels and most people will agree that it is wild
jolly sierra
wanton breach
saying something is objectively wrong is in itself "objectively wrong"
wintry dew
Thanks for your input gene.
potent pivot
same
wintry dew
I mean same
wintry dew
I'm not triggered whatsoever
potent pivot
!mute @empty brook yeah i'm good on reading anymore of this
wanton breach
wintry dew
Nah he was just having a bad day clearly
I'm happy for him if he's a cutting edge player
jolly sierra
even me with a bad day wont look down at u
max cursing all of u without reason to quickly apologize later
but switching topic, im mad af in cata classic pvp
dude, ppl at lvl 85 with pvp gear still backpedals
and later says "gO tO rETaiL lUL"
cedar imp
jolly sierra
bruh u dont know wtf are u doing and thing for doing stuff slowly is griefing lol
jolly sierra
a guy said i was trolling just i kept the flag for like 5m in eye of the storm
jolly sierra
then when i forcefully put it, an ally later took and cap it
told him was fucking dumb
and better know some tactics before saying BS
jolly sierra
https://tenor.com/view/backpedal-dog-backpedaling-sick-gif-10720462
when is the enemy, is good af, but when is an ally, bruh u are giving it lol
cedar skiff
hitting masters in leauge is a good test of skill
Pve in wow is a test of listening to mouth breathers, not having a job
and a bunch of other things
way too much of a time sink for little back in return + the mouth breathers , cringe lords and arguing yappers
wanton breach
way too much of a time sink for little back in return + the mouth breathers , cr...
good thing pvp and league of legends is only being played by the mightiest and smartest people to ever exist
jolly sierra
Pve in wow is a test of listening to mouth breathers, not having a job
oh boy i breath for the mouth because my inner nose bone structure
is awful
wanton breach
oh boy i breath for the mouth because my inner nose bone structure
so you're born to play pve?
jolly sierra
so you're born to play pve?
i was always a rebel lol
wanton breach
the muted guy can still react to stuff and apparently doesn't get sarcasm
potent pivot
<:KEK:562445754157891589> the muted guy can still react to stuff and apparently ...
he was unmuted
you're good, i guess i should've just done a warning, that's my bad 
jolly sierra
wanton breach
he was unmuted
ah, I don't know the differences 
steel scarab
I actually agree with Gene
cedar skiff
league u can log on, queue very quick, get rating, go back to life
steel scarab
Cutting edge = you're 1/25 people in a group, it's more about working together, it's all scripted, it's about finding a raid schedule that you can adhere to. It's still not easy, but it seems objectively easier than pvp
cedar skiff
wow , 4 hours to play one game
steel scarab
There's less individual contribution
cedar skiff
and the test of skill is halfed
not to mention the content creators actually make money
cause the game is popular
surreal barn
I make more money playing wow
cedar skiff
u dont make jack playing wow
cedar skiff
you could take the biggest wow pvp streamer, they are barley breaking 3k a month
shit gotten twice as expensive too
wintry dew
Cutting edge = you're 1/25 people in a group, it's more about working together, ...
Same with pvp if you play rmp or god comp xD
surreal barn
you could take the biggest wow pvp streamer, they are barley breaking 3k a month
I am so bad at streaming I could never
steel scarab
You're 1 of 3 people on an arena team, so your individual contribution is clearly much higher
vocal surge
I still consider Cutting Edge far easier to get than Gladiator lol
cedar skiff
league is the only test
completely random every game
200+ champs
never the same match
no friends to help you
its just you and what youve learnt+ know how to use
so many different angles and views you need to see from in any given match
1000000000000000000000000000+ scenarios
vocal surge
The main thing I consider holding a lot of people back from achieving Cutting Edge is guild member variance, Blizzard's smooth brain idea thinking making very important mechanics the same color as the floor, and availability of raid via schedules.
cedar skiff
meata always changing to, so you need to relearn matchups
steel scarab
Let me put it another way. Do you seriously think any r1 gladiator couldn't get dropped into a mythic raid and follow the raid leaders instructions and get through it?
Now, I ask the same question about a Cutting Edge raider dropped into arena with 2 glads. Is that person hitting rank 1 listening to the glad instructions?
vocal surge
Also Raid being far less rewarding for the amount of effort you put in compare to M+
cedar skiff
Let me put it another way. Do you seriously think any r1 gladiator couldn't get ...
r1 glad? r1 or glad which is it
wintry dew
Let me put it another way. Do you seriously think any r1 gladiator couldn't get ...
I mean u can pay for it
vocal surge
^^^
wintry dew
P2w
surreal barn
Ez
steel scarab
You could pay for both lol
surreal barn
Insert that always has been meme here
cedar skiff
now homies making good money can have the last laugh
vocal surge
PSA: If you buy Gladiator, you committed Stolen Valor in the PvP community.
cedar skiff
u thought u were grinding away on ur acc na
steel scarab
But I'm saying if you were doing it yourself, one is very clearly objectively more difficult than the other and that's pvp
cedar skiff
PSA: If you buy Gladiator, you committed Stolen Valor in the PvP community.
i think its a good move if ur actually a good player and just want to find people
if ur plan is to find a group to play
vocal surge
But I'm saying if you were doing it yourself, one is very clearly objectively mo...
The only case where I'd say this would be the opposite is in EU
EU Gladiator free af
steel scarab
Is it really? People are bad there?
vocal surge
Yes
cedar skiff
the average intelligence of a american is so low itd blow ur mind
cedar skiff
Eu is better at everything
wanton breach
Cutting edge = you're 1/25 people in a group, it's more about working together, ...
1/25 means you haven't looked at wow raiding in quite some time
cedar skiff
except for basketballl and football , cause eu doesnt have black poeple
but other than sports like those, EU is king for all
vocal surge
But after seeing it with my eyes, NA > EU for Gladiator
In terms of difficulty and nothing will change my mind kek
wintry dew
Yeah it doesn't
What matters is seeing our rogue brothers being able to climb and achieve their goals
That's the thing we should aim to be happy about
cedar imp
wintry dew
I could hear that gif
cedar imp
lmao my friends were rewatching it yesterday
I was just screaming "booOOOgiE WOOoogie" all day
wintry dew
I love him so much
wanton breach
best character in JJK
wintry dew
His priorities are so... Straight
wanton breach
jolly sierra
EU players are better than NA players in pvp average
in NA u can still watch ppl backpedal at 1k6
in pikaboo stream reviews
cedar skiff
EU players are better than NA players in pvp average
its flat accross the board in a ll games too
even more noticable in league
jolly sierra
also in NA u have ragnaros server
jolly sierra
that is the worst one overall worldwide
cedar skiff
the average eu player low gold
steel scarab
@wanton breach I have not, very true
hardy prairie
Anyone here playing sub in arenas currently?
I kinda have a question about something
wintry dew
Just shoot it out
hardy prairie
Okay so, there's a flagellation build that uses echoing reprimand, but I think it feels worse to go for it than tea for the big burst since tea gives mastery instead of a random blue combo point
potent pivot
Okay so, there's a flagellation build that uses echoing reprimand, but I think i...
pretty sure they're using Reverberation for the ER damage, less focus on the combo point
jolly sierra
in the end is mastery embelishment afected by DR?
saw something weird in the stat weights when i picked the ring
potent pivot
in the end is mastery embelishment afected by DR?
i think so
the rule is generally if it gives points "300 rating" it's affected by DR, if it gives % then it's not
wintry dew
Food shouldnt work inside arenas tho
jolly sierra
but i think need to check when i come back home
wintry dew
might work in bgs
jolly sierra
Food shouldnt work inside arenas tho
my food is special
radiant glen
Food shouldnt work inside arenas tho
panda racial
wintry dew
OOOKAY tell me more
jolly sierra
OOOKAY tell me more
pandaren food is enriched in versa and works in all content
wintry dew
But do you literaly get special food or anyfood you eat will give you a buff?
how does it work
radiant glen
So just another dmg spell so you dont leave the target at 1 health
that build typically uses the rotten and reverb as tricks mentioned
tldr: ur first go is OK, then on ur 2nd go u have the rotten dmg, 100% crit, lethality bonus, and perf veins all on the ER and it hits reasonably hard
jolly sierra
go to ashran main city
radiant glen
like another sec tech
wintry dew
Don't have sub for a few days š
jolly sierra
glad cata token works with retail
jolly sierra
its NOODLES
yep
potent pivot
jolly sierra
lolol
jolly sierra
so
numbers = penalty
percentages = free?
potent pivot
think so
jolly sierra
got it, lets see what happens
im switching to infurious and equipping diurna
after i sell this shit
panda food always gives me 1,20~ versa or so
plucky escarp
What are the benefits of rupture on Sub? The dmg seems good. Is it to spend points get cdr on dance? Or is there a modifier or something Iām missing?
jolly sierra
dmg is good af, even better than assa one
potent pivot
What are the benefits of rupture on Sub? The dmg seems good. Is it to spend poin...
that and prevent healer from drinking/others dropping combat/restealths etc
jolly sierra
i think they will drop combat anyways
potent pivot
dmg is good af, even better than assa one
you sure that's still the case?
jolly sierra
you sure that's still the case?
yes
sub mastery + shadow dmg bonuses are huge
remember is affected like evis w shadow
jolly sierra
we have seen here dmg recaps from subs
radiant glen
What are the benefits of rupture on Sub? The dmg seems good. Is it to spend poin...
rupture recently got buffed, and with things like finality, brew, tea, rep shadows, etc. its actually quite a bit of dmg to have on the kill target also, ticks high in cds
jolly sierra
and dmg ticks were insane
potent pivot
icic
jolly sierra
compared to assa
radiant glen
not "omg spam rupture 30 times in dance" but def dont forget to have it ready
hardy prairie
that build typically uses the rotten and reverb as tricks mentioned
tldr: ur fir...
i mean it is good, but idk in shuffle it feels to hard to pull off with no coordination with teammates
For rupture I usually just use it after the burst, so after my secret tech is gone, strike into rupture then strike evis till I get secret back
and refresh rupture
also stun according to situation
plucky escarp
Thanks for the replies re: rupture on sub.
Is this the target opener on sub?
Cheap > Shadow Strike > All in > secret tech > shadow strike > evis > cheap > shadow strike > cheap > evis?
My all in macro has Tea, Symbols, Blades, Dance, Sepsis, on use badge, orc racial.
white gazelle
What classes are looking juiced for tww?
potent pivot
Thereās really no way to know til the season starts
I know a couple classes are doing big damage but that could also be likely to change with tuning etc
white gazelle
Iām just stuck on what to play I want to dedicate to one character for the entire first season and Iām stuck between mage rogue hunter and enhance
potent pivot
Well, rogue and mage almost always have at least one spec thatās really good
But tbh just play whatever you find the most fun
You can reach basically every goal with any class/spec
white gazelle
I think my issue with rogue is Iām bad at playing control with spreading my cheap shots and kidneys
So despite my fun itās not worth
surreal barn
With the health pool increase Iām gonna go with arms warrior
As being a super safe pick
I think some of their new heals are % based too right?
proper heath
Hey guys when does the season end?
potent pivot
23rd iirc
jolly sierra
alright i checked the weights in stats
those are
filial + pvp boots (azure disabled for less than 90% hp) = 125% between versa and mastery
filial + azure boots (without buff cuz less than 90% hp) = 128% between versa and mastery
pvp ring w huge versa + azure (current one, azure disables) = 128% between versa and mastery
filial + pvp boots (azure enabled) = 132% between versa and mastery
filial + azure boots (azure enabled) = 141% between versa and mastery
pvp ring w huge versa + azure (enabled) = 142% between versa and mastery
potent pivot
brother what
potent pivot
but why are you doing vers+mast
jolly sierra
cuz both increases poison and bleed dmg
potent pivot
ok i thought you were trying to see which version had less mastery DR
jolly sierra
tbh if the distribution for stats will be evenly
would rather prefer to spread more vers
over mastery
potent pivot
why
jolly sierra
both are for the same end
if numbers combines into the same
was checking a lot
losing a lot of vers to add mastery, but in the end the versa was doing the same stat increase for poisons and bleeds
potent pivot
losing a lot of vers to add mastery, but in the end the versa was doing the same...
pretty sure you want some crit
jolly sierra
look double azure + filial
potent pivot
there's a reason everyone is sticking to 30-32% vers
jolly sierra
double azure + versa ring
jolly sierra
there's a reason everyone is sticking to 30-32% vers
how much crit?
potent pivot
how much crit?
around 20%
jolly sierra
potent pivot
pretty sure shadenox even runs less vers than everyone else
think he runs like 30+ crit 27% vers
potent pivot
ye
jolly sierra
i can switch gems tho
potent pivot
crit became more important because of the fok build
jolly sierra
lemme see
potent pivot
i don't think it's worth losing the mast for vers
potent pivot
ye a little haste is fine
surreal barn
I think once your mastery is high enough the little changes arenāt going to make or break anything
Weāre still top dam tbh
fallen scaffold
i feel like the haste u get from set items is enough
i wouldnt gem haste
though i do feel energy starved at times during long games, but i dont think adding even 400ish more haste would effect me too much
potent pivot
though i do feel energy starved at times during long games, but i dont think add...
haste for energy regen is pretty useless
potent pivot
as what spec
potent pivot
you need to have dots rolling to regain energy
fallen scaffold
idk how
they be rolling 24/7 on 2/3 targets iusually
should i try harder to get them rolling on healer?
as well
every time
potent pivot
you can go to #bot-spam and type !assa or !assassination (idr) to add assa role !outlaw to remove the outlaw role
fallen scaffold
word ty
potent pivot
they be rolling 24/7 on 2/3 targets iusually
having dots on 2 targets should keep you from getting too starved honestly
potent pivot
maybe
the main benefit of haste for assa is that it speeds up dot ticks
like in SL we were mostly stacking haste vers
we got all these stronger energy talents in DF and everyone acts like haste is useless now
mastery is really good don't get me wrong, especially for big KB hits etc
but a lot of the time you can win just from rotting everyone
fallen scaffold
yee the 580k kingbane crits make me straight up the opposite of flacid
potent pivot
can be really nice especially if you try to use KB's first hit in execute range
get someone under 35% then shiv/SD/KB and hope you get em low enough for sudden demise to proc
sick wasp
though i do feel energy starved at times during long games, but i dont think add...
haste does very little in pvp even if stack it,ive tried haste/vers as sin,its garbo
thats how sin is with starvation,haste does very little to controbute to nrg regen
even if u had 40%+
surreal barn
i feel like the haste u get from set items is enough
I donāt actually get it from anything else
I went ahead and converted a crafted from mastery/versa to mastery/haste as well since my versa was high
I honestly canāt tell a difference in battle though š¤·āāļø
steel scarab
I used the haste trinket
And the crit trinket
With no pvp trinket
So I had a bit more haste than the average person
It was fine
outer sky
sometimes you find a gem in LFG. Shout out to this absolutely insane prevoker pulling 200k hps over a 5 minute game
jade bough
Running elvui for pvp is troll?
plucky escarp
Running elvui for pvp is troll?
I do this. The arena frames in ElvUI are fine, and work with framesort, and very clean looking.
jade bough
I do this. The arena frames in ElvUI are fine, and work with framesort, and very...
Would you mind sending screenshot of ur UI?
grave basin
I think some of their new heals are % based too right?
these just got nerfed today
surreal barn
these just got nerfed today
š
plucky escarp
Would you mind sending screenshot of ur UI?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad7SKQ-hNjg this is my UI. Itās all weakaura, Omni bar, big debuffs or ElvUI. Arena frames are the ElvUI use ones.
plucky escarp
Idk what that means!
But yeah this is just a vod for my buddy when he got 2.1k and it shows my ui. Def not a testament to rogue gameplay
outer sky
Man these queue times are really getting out of hand
wintry dew
You think you can make enough gold for more tokens before tww?
jolly sierra
You think you can make enough gold for more tokens before tww?
will be hard i think
but if i can buy 2 i think would save tons of money
(in retail)
wintry dew
Lets go bro
waxen meteor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad7SKQ-hNjg this is my UI. Itās all weakaura, Om...
I really want some one to teach me how to pull camera angle that high
Pls!
potent pivot
I really want some one to teach me how to pull camera angle that high
addon
potent pivot
I really want some one to teach me how to pull camera angle that high
there's a couple addons and there's also a chat command
you can use either method
plucky escarp
I use the chat command but yeah. Game is unplayable to me if it isnāt zoomed to the max
plucky escarp
I do love that WoW lets you do ultra wide. Some games hit you with the black bars on the side, so I ended up switching back to normal wide
waxen meteor
https://www.reddit.com/r/WowUI/comments/tywi90/how_to_zoom_out_even_more_help/
I tried those didn't work
i feel it might be linked the pixals?
like i am running only 1920*1080 on laptop, it can never go that far?
potent pivot
I tried those didn't work
if you install Leatrix you have to go into the settings to turn on the extra zoom
fallen scaffold
^
waxen meteor
if you install Leatrix you have to go into the settings to turn on the extra zoo...
hmmm where
potent pivot
the same with the advance interface options add on, but slightly more complicated
potent pivot
hmmm where
open Leatrix up
and find it in settings
either from the add on button on your mini map
or with whatever chat command opens it like /leatrix idk what it is exactly
but it should have a button on the side of your map
waxen meteor
there's a checkbox for max camera distance
i did that
but it's still nowhere cloes to that video
potent pivot
/reload
waxen meteor
... no i mean i did that long ago, been checked
potent pivot
it doesn't look like he's using any special monitor in the vid, that looks like normal zoom
potent pivot
... no i mean i did that long ago, been checked
idk, i use leatrix and mine is the same so that's weird
i don't think being on laptop should affect it afaik
have you tried the chat command too?
/run SetCVar("cameraDistanceMaxZoomFactor", 2.6)
this
potent pivot
o.O
waxen meteor
but it's just no as good as that
potent pivot
Leatrix does the same thing as the chat command
waxen meteor
maybe you could try change your game to 1920*1080 with max distance
see if it's same
potent pivot
maybe you could try change your game to 1920*1080 with max distance
i use 1920/1080
can you take a ss or something
of what your max zoom looks like atm
waxen meteor
Like this far
It's not bad here..
but in arena it seems always shorter and keep changing
potent pivot
yeah pretty sure you have it on
waxen meteor
is there something we need to do to have the camera not moving then
potent pivot
what do you mean
waxen meteor
Like this is like top down
potent pivot
the camera will always be pushed closer if there's something in the way of it
waxen meteor
what do you mean
Like you see from that video here, camera seems always from top, long distance, you can see whole arena all the time
mine, is swapping to close look every now and then
like gate open
also near pillar
constantly changing angle
potent pivot
that's because he has nothing blocking his camera angle on that map
big pillars or arenas with a roof or other objects will always push your camera closer
there's nothing to change that
potent pivot
Like you see from that video here, camera seems always from top, long distance, ...
check like 0:38 on the video
his camera gets pushed closer because of a pillar, same as usual
fallen scaffold
sounds like u need to go into ur options
under controls
and make sure camera follwoing style is on nmever adjust
waxen meteor
and make sure camera follwoing style is on nmever adjust
have that as never adjust too -.-
potent pivot
yeh if i'm understanding correctly, you're talking about the camera changing zoom position when there's something that would otherwise obstruct it
like this is normal
this is obstructed
because the building would've been in the way of you seeing your character
i don't think this is something we can change
waxen meteor
I am doing skirmish now trying to get into the same arena map
jolly sierra
guys
descended from 2190 and reached 2320 today
should i stop for now?
to get energy back?
waxen meteor
Nothing to lose anyway at this point
waxen meteor
well if you are tired... then just take a break...
jolly sierra
im ok tbh
outer sky
Fuck yeah!
potent pivot
Fuck yeah!
i'm surprised this guy is still allowed to stream let alone log into the game 
jolly sierra
played till i lose
and lose 72 CR
xd
a druid expected me to kill a 200k hp pally running behind a pillar in like 2 seconds
when i got a cc landed
checked the replay and tbh didnt know what he expected XD
(guy died when the other one ran away)
jolly sierra
wintry dew
Good
potent pivot
think people can still just afk the rest of the game but at least they're trying
last jasper
think people can still just afk the rest of the game but at least they're trying
isn't u are getting kicked from arena if u went afk?
potent pivot
isn't u are getting kicked from arena if u went afk?
i mean like throwing matches, not actual /afk
last jasper
oh. lets hope report system will take care of them in this case
wintry dew
Hopefully
grave basin
If someone's gonna throw id rather they afk than leave and waste everyone's time
Atleast the game plays on and you can potentially 3-3
wintry dew
You were missed
stoic spruce
<3
harsh steppe
gm ā¤ļø
so i want to make sure i have this right: in order to nelf stealth properly, a) i can't have any dots at all, & b) not be in aoe
opal bone
harsh steppe
yep
ty
ok cool. so that means pretty much, most of the time to get it off correctly, i'll probably have to run around a pillar & then pop it off
potent pivot
not necessarily no
surreal barn
I didnāt know nelfs could be hpals š¤
potent pivot
you only really need to run behind a pillar for regular restealths
you can meld -> stealth quite quickly
harsh steppe
ok just want to make sure, ty
i am still worst rogue out there so i'll be running behind pillars and melding until i get good enough to identify all dots
harsh steppe
as long as i'm not in aoe or dots
surreal barn
Even AoE and dots should be fine
Itās if you can press a button twice fast enough
harsh steppe
huh?
potent pivot
those will only be an issue if you want to full restealth
surreal barn
If you were running no subterfuge Iād agree
surreal barn
those will only be an issue if you want to full restealth
Yeah that
potent pivot
if you're just melding to avoid a cast or CC, or to garrote, you can do it pretty much whenever
harsh steppe
i have a ton of clips of me attempting to nelf in the middle of aoes or dots and i can't do it properly
potent pivot
because you only need to enter actual stealth for a second to use subterfuge for example
sec
wintry dew
Hyper, how's paladins
harsh steppe
good! i'm having a blast
wintry dew
harsh steppe
Even AoE and dots should be fine
https://youtu.be/wFouT-7upuI
what am i doing wrong then?
potent pivot
https://youtu.be/wFouT-7upuI
what am i doing wrong then?
you pressed meld and then moved no?
harsh steppe
not in the first one
potent pivot
the 2nd one
harsh steppe
well none of them worked
potent pivot
moving breaks meld
harsh steppe
i didn't move at 0:02
https://youtu.be/wFouT-7upuI?si=f9ncDoiSpM2t72A5&t=2
surreal barn
Can I see your macro
wintry dew
It did not seem it was pressing stealth no
potent pivot
doesn't look like it
surreal barn
Yeah I can compare his macro to mine after I finish this meeting
We are all looking for that subterfuge sign in your buffs
harsh steppe
yes i did
potent pivot
also in the 2nd one you were pressing abilities as far as i can tell
which is going to break it too
harsh steppe
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
i have to have subterfuge?
potent pivot
for what
wintry dew
No
harsh steppe
for smeld to work
potent pivot
no
wintry dew
No
surreal barn
You donāt
potent pivot
if you want to benefit from Subterfuge you need to meld->stealth to proc Subterfuge
you can meld->stealth without subt
harsh steppe
ok i just looked at it again, look at 0:02
i'm not pressing any abilities for a few seconds, or moving, and smeld doesn't work
wintry dew
Aren't you in any AoE?
potent pivot
yeah idk if that's because of the DK's grippy hands or not
harsh steppe
trickz you said i can be in aoe or dots and it would still work so im confused
wintry dew
For it to work you need to be 5 head
harsh steppe
zeiss* sorry
potent pivot
you should have meld macro'd to also !stealth after it
copper torrent
Quick question about assa, I feel like I am running out of energy fairly quickly. Is it fairly common for rogues to be sitting near empty for energy? Or should I try to conserve my energy. By not spamming mutilate or whatever when my opponents are all dotted up?
harsh steppe
it is
wintry dew
And literally be aware of the dot ticking rate
surreal barn
I assumed you had subterfuge also itās my fault
potent pivot
trickz you said i can be in aoe or dots and it would still work so im confused
that's not exactly what i said no
harsh steppe
so you do need subterfuge?
wintry dew
No
harsh steppe
zeiss just said i did?
potent pivot
i said if you want to use subterfuge or just avoid CC or a cast then it won't matter if you're in combat/dots/aoe
if you want to use it like a vanish or something it's different
harsh steppe
yes i meant zeiss, sorry trickz
potent pivot
you're trying to use it like vanish
surreal barn
You donāt need subterfuge for the macro to work, but subterfuge lets you still use stealth abilities even if you get popped out after the macro completes
potent pivot
but that's not how it works exactly
harsh steppe
can i or can i not use smeld in the middle of aoe or dotted
potent pivot
if you're trying to use it as a vanish then you can't have dots or be in aoe
smeld has multiple uses
harsh steppe
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
zeiss you meant i can use it if im trying to do the subterfuge thing?
potent pivot
if you see a Mage casting Polymorph on you, you can press meld to negate their poly
if you time it correctly
then dots/aoe don't matter
that is why smeld is so strong
harsh steppe
if you see a Mage casting Polymorph on you, you can press meld to negate their p...
ahhh because it drops stealth
potent pivot
no it drops you from being target by them
harsh steppe
combat* sorry
surreal barn
Most use it as a quick access to dodge an attack or cheapshot /garrote because they are melding into stealth just so they can get the subterfuge buff up to do so, they donāt expect their stealth to last
surreal barn
Looks like you are sub too
harsh steppe
ahh
surreal barn
Which meld helps less
harsh steppe
what is the smeld macro in it's simplest form, i want to double check
potent pivot
yeh it's big for assa for empowered garrotes
harsh steppe
tysm yall ā¤ļø
potent pivot
what is the smeld macro in it's simplest form, i want to double check
/stopattack
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth
wintry dew
Still, you're making it harder on yourself to play nelf
potent pivot
yeah stuff like meld should really be focused on later
wintry dew
But you do you
potent pivot
once you're getting really good, then you start using meld to eat enemy cc
surreal barn
You want !stealth instead of stealth for sure
potent pivot
if you were playing assa i'd say go ahead and use it because you just press the macro whenever you want to empowered garrote multiple targets
much easier than trying to meld CC
surreal barn
^
wintry dew
Tricks spitting facts
potent pivot
yeah there's a few
if you check nahj's wago profile i think there's one that was made in 10.1.7 called meld CC which has more
it has stormbolt, disarm, coil and some trap i forget
harsh steppe
/stopattack
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth
did not work š¦
https://youtu.be/1YSccX6Gdso
harsh steppe
oh... i don't want to be annoying
harsh steppe
š
potent pivot
you're asking for help with a topic, not just promoting, that's not an issue
potent pivot
did not work š¦
https://youtu.be/1YSccX6Gdso
you have to press it twice iirc
harsh steppe
oh right ok ill try that
potent pivot
some macros can be a little weird
harsh steppe
tysm ā¤ļø
potent pivot
npnp
harsh steppe
how's rogue looking in tww so far
potent pivot
there's really no telling until the season starts
in pve damage is looking a little lackluster, but i have the feeling we're looking fine
stoic spruce
our control is more important than in pve so we're looking good imo
as long as RMP exists....
neat dove
when you kingsbane into AMS
solid wharf
How many stacks of macabre do you guys go for before secret techniques? I always try to hold up until the last second of dance and sometimes mess it up
neat dove
3
solid wharf
Oooh okayā¦Iāve been trying to stack to 5 š thank you!
wintry dew
Be aware that if you cast it right before your buffs disappear, the damage will also lose the buff modifiers
Or so I was told
solid wharf
Oooh okay didnāt know that I thought if I had like a second of dance left it would hit for full damage the entire time
Thanks!
potent pivot
Oooh okay didnāt know that I thought if I had like a second of dance left it wou...
almost all buffs in wow are dynamic
so if you drop the buff, any ticking damage will as well
solid wharf
Oh wow okay that makes sense
Been playing for so long I donāt know why I never questioned that šš
potent pivot
yeh only very niche stuff snapshots, not even sure if there's a single spell in the game that snapshots anymore but there's definitely no rogue abilities that do currently
wintry dew
Would you consider refreshing garr in shadowdance / subterfuge windows a snapshot?
potent pivot
oh shit, nightstalker might still snapshot actually
but that's pretty insignificant
wintry dew
More into the PvE side of things really
potent pivot
Would you consider refreshing garr in shadowdance / subterfuge windows a snapsho...
nah, snapshotting means that when you cast the ability during the buff it carries the buff even after said buff drops
so like nightstalker might make garr/rupture snapshot a little damage yeah
i'm not sure if that was ever fixed or not
potent pivot
Would you consider refreshing garr in shadowdance / subterfuge windows a snapsho...
so the answer to that might be yes technically, but you'd only be snapshotting the NS buff
god i'm out of touch rn i need sleep
wintry dew
Can you go and have some?
potent pivot
things like macabre and dark shadow, etc, don't snapshot
potent pivot
Can you go and have some?
yeh but don't want to fuck up my sleep schedule
just didn't get much last night
wintry dew
Fair :/
hardy prairie
Got 1.8 as sub, now I just wait till prepatch
jolly sierra
yeh but don't want to fuck up my sleep schedule
today i woke up with the hips in pain wtf
untold remnant
He'll be so mad again
jolly sierra
kasu?
untold remnant
Yep: https://check-pvp.fr/eu/Ravencrest/KĆ¢sĆ¹xĆøxĆø this one. Think he's boosting people, the priest. Both him and feral multiglad/R1's and then the priest with no glads
Huge uphill battle from 2200-2400 tho, only boosters/R1s
grave basin
Got 1.8 as sub, now I just wait till prepatch
grats!
jolly sierra
Huge uphill battle from 2200-2400 tho, only boosters/R1s
:l
hardy prairie
grats!
thanks! last time i got this high was last week of SL season 4 xd
I was 1.9
surreal barn
Kind of need to expect them dr you though
Even past 2400, 2400 rn feels similar to 2k in other seasons
jolly sierra
a side of me thinks i can reach 2k4 before reset
cuz feels easier than s3 2k1
but some lobbies are so crappy god dammit
last one was a 0-6 in mugambala against a demo, a chicken, a warr and a hpal
wintry dew
jolly sierra
before that 5-1 5-1 and 4-2
wintry dew
you've nothing to lose my friend
just push
worst case scenario you can't do it
best case scenario you're a fucking Legend of a rogue
jolly sierra
worst case scenario you can't do it
if i fail, ill tell it here
but also w the highest record
wintry dew
harsh steppe
is this real life
im much better at hpal so iāll prob stick w that
just messing around on my rogue for a bit miss it sometimes
wintry dew
broke the 1.2k cr on hpala?
harsh steppe
aha yes 1.8
wintry dew
harsh steppe
yeah idk it just really clicks w me, probably cuz i have a smol brain
if anybody wants a pocket healer tho hmu
idk how you guys do it, rogue is just so hard
harsh steppe
story of my life
stoic spruce
RAHHH
ITS GONNA TAKE ALL DAY RAHHH
omg
I should push with internet explorer
we're aware of that meme build by now
grave basin
if you can hit 2.4k as outlaw youll prolly be top 5 na
stoic spruce
if you can hit 2.4k as outlaw youll prolly be top 5 na
im on my dk but youre so right
honestly?
I so could
thyell be like
"why arent you doing damage"
and I'll be like
its the principle
or smth idk
non-crackshot works mechnically
every other kind of -ally no
waxen meteor
Which of our spec is doing good in 11.0 beta now guys
grave basin
sub >>>>>>>> outlaw >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assa according to acro
and from what ive tested seems about right
grave basin
Big
wintry dew
yo
stoic spruce
sup
jolly sierra
did u met him in shuffle?
jolly sierra
OOF
stoic spruce
someone called me bad
as if I didnt know that already
like
??
well yeah
why do you think im playing the last week of the season?
jolly sierra
cuz u are lazy?
stoic spruce
the gear of a champion
jolly sierra
dks arent champions
stoic spruce
1939 btw
jolly sierra
that sounds like a skirmish
stoic spruce
im queuing with greens and thats everyones problem
theyre just going to have to deal with it
restive hemlock
Blitz is real good for playing while undergeared. You scale up ilvl and get conquest etc
jolly sierra
@wintry dew seems like i have another methods besides DF mats
righteous orbs
ppl are looking for them it seems
wintry dew
they around 200-250/each?
jolly sierra
hope is a big W
surreal barn
Yeah, cr 2600 - I donāt feel like Iāll have any time to keep queuing before tuesday
But really there isnāt a point lol. I wish rewards were better
jolly sierra
Yeah, cr 2600 - I donāt feel like Iāll have any time to keep queuing before tues...
then give me ur fortune and awareness to annhilate them all
so i get the elite now
surreal barn
Man, I play with feint and death from above
Iām sure I have no idea what Iām doing
Apparently everyone runs cheat death now lol
jolly sierra
i was playing w feint but noticed cheat death spared me a lot of rounds
and raised by A LOT the stat distribution
look the recount
surreal barn
Nice.
jolly sierra
surreal barn
Decent lobby for damage too. Mine was frost mage, boomie, MM lol
surreal barn
At 2750 these guys are like immortal gods
jolly sierra
ppl which is humble enough to admit their mistakes and be willing to hear turns into the most decent ones
surreal barn
Hunter got his shit pushed in but I could have probably played with him better
jolly sierra
advice here is like gold for me
jolly sierra
Hunter got his shit pushed in but I could have probably played with him better
hmmm
the surv in my lobby got a little trolled tho
surreal barn
I was hoping he would just destroy the mage but it didnāt happen
jolly sierra
damn
surreal barn
Lost both with him
jolly sierra
and they are lit mage counters
surreal barn
š¤·āāļø
sick wasp
thats some good mastery sauce right there š
outer sky
Yo I also have 100% mastery but with 32% vers.
@jolly sierra why are you only 2290 in SS
Get your ass in gear and get that elite achievement
You have time
Don't give up
jolly sierra
<@239851547935113216> why are you only 2290 in SS
dropped a lot with some huge L after streaks
jolly sierra
a free W
outer sky
not really
that warrior is going to safeguard the hunter on CD
hunter probably kills someone before he dies
jolly sierra
so, how it ended?
grave basin
yea the healers were cock
two rounds of no link
303
3-3
he put on some massive shield which was insane
the prot
jolly sierra
incredible
outer sky
I went 6-0 in a lobby with a brewmaster earlier
nova viper
@jolly sierra seeeeeeeexo
1800 on my mage soon
I tww i wanna 2100/2400
Mayby on rogue too
jolly sierra
<@239851547935113216> seeeeeeeexo
SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOO
nice nice, hope u get that rating
im in my way now
outer sky
Holy fucking shit
I just had a double pally lobby
double searing glare
is so toxic
One game they each had 4 searings
so I was seared for 32 seconds of the game
jolly sierra
Holy fucking shit
what about fucking blinding lights? OOF
outer sky
what about fucking blinding lights? OOF
At least those DR
jolly sierra
At least those DR
the problem is when they are in ur team and dispells all ur dmg
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
outer sky
Yeah that's horrible
outer sky
I had it happen when I was in an RBG team fighting. Was doing almost 700k dps and our ret just blinding lights in the middle of the fight
jolly sierra
bruh
outer sky
Like if details tracked "damage prevented" as healing by a friendly player, I guarantee he would have been the enemy teams top healer for that fight
jolly sierra
even a leg sweep is better
jolly sierra
Like if details tracked "damage prevented" as healing by a friendly player, I gu...
lol
regal tinsel
oh my lord...
outer sky
just 0-6'd a lobby. Something felt off the whole time. When I got out I realized I didnt have any poisons on the whole time
rip
jolly sierra
nooooooooooooooooo i hate this shitty RNG
jolly sierra
<a:Ghost:1042021677858562122>
is indeed topping
potent pivot
wait is that even him
jolly sierra
fuck
potent pivot
whats his rating
potent pivot
could've been an alt that doesn't show up on checkpvp i guess
jolly sierra
had the title
potent pivot
yeah
jolly sierra
"sinful gladiator"
potent pivot
wouldn't be the first time checkpvp was off about alts
jolly sierra
/cry