pvp

[wintry dew]

Max I ever got was duelist during s1

[crystal flame]

i am max... 1.2-2k i think

1.9*

[wintry dew]

I just told you how

[potent pivot]

you can shadowstep to get behind them

to stun them

[crystal flame]

you did ye sry

but

if i stun from the front

its gonna be avded

evaded*

[wintry dew]

Yes

[crystal flame]

seems kinda hard to do

with everything happening so fast

[wintry dew]

SStep places you behind him

[crystal flame]

ye but

what if he knows im gonna do that

he will turn

[potent pivot]

it's not that hard

[wintry dew]

And it's off gcd

[crystal flame]

ah i see

[surreal barn]

As far as evasion goes beware of pet classes

[crystal flame]

so it is doable

[surreal barn]

They usually go from the back

[potent pivot]

you can also macro step->kidney

[crystal flame]

really

[potent pivot]

to make it happen even faster

[wintry dew]

Hi @surreal barn

[crystal flame]

so whenever i shadowstep it will auto kitney

kidney

if i can do it

[surreal barn]

👋

[potent pivot]

ye, sometimes you have to press the button twice but it's still fast

[crystal flame]

i just need a macro for shadowstep atm for mouseover cus i made one but it didnt work

so im having to actually target people i wanna shadowstep to

and in arena thats gonna be too slow for me

i seen pikaboo on his stream

he just insta teleports to people xd

[wintry dew]

Are you enjoying hunter changes on tww beta?

[potent pivot]

yeah but he uses arena target macros i'm pretty sure

not mouseover

[crystal flame]

ahhh

he will ye

so thats like

even faster

thats too pro for me tbh

[surreal barn]

Kinda. I wish I was as good a hunter as I am rogue

Weird learning your first ranged class

[wintry dew]

I wish I could learn and enjoy frost mage

[crystal flame]

this is my WA setup for sub btw

stealth icon has a glow if i need to use it and the abilities will not show if i cant use them so as they "pop up" i know to press that button

idk why i made shadowstrike so big i felt it was rly important when i was new xD

but symbols and SB will make a noise ingame when theyre available so i know to use on CD

[surreal barn]

Yeah mage is gonna be wild in tww

[crystal flame]

should i be using shadow dance with shadow blades on my opener?

then evis >shadowstrike>evis>shadowstrike (with stuns)

ik ive got sepsis and secret technique and rupture too

[potent pivot]

yeah

sometimes in arena you don't want to throw everything into your first opener

but pretty much yeah

[crystal flame]

also how do i know how many more times i can stun someone which is the best add on for this?

[potent pivot]

gladius should have DR trackers, but that's only for arena iirc

you'll have to get Diminish or something like that for wpvp

[gilded ginkgo]

hey guys, looking to get back into rogue/pvp, does anyone know a website with good macros? I havent played since cata (the original) and had tons of macros like sap, stealth, vanish, garrote /no attack, gouge/noattack, etc, i googled it and looked at method, icy veins and wowhead but its awful, most of its just for pve and there's barely anything, or do rogues dont need this kind of stuff any more?

[potent pivot]

you have to check the pvp sections of those sites

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pvp-useful-macros

example^

[gilded ginkgo]

thanks, i will try that 🙂

[crystal flame]

which classes do you guys think i should be able to beat in 1v1

as sub

[surreal barn]

All of them

[crystal flame]

so far i have done warrior and warlock xD

[steel scarab]

Agree, literally every class

[jolly sierra]

cheapshot bypasses everything but bubble and turtle

[crystal flame]

what do you bind on 1-4?

[potent pivot]

that can be quite different depending on who you ask

[crystal flame]

yeah i just feel like my choices aren't good

cus 1-4 and shift +1-4 are my most pressed buttons

for example

[potent pivot]

that's mostly how i do it as well

[crystal flame]

trying to move and press ctrl 1 as kick is kinda harder than other options

[potent pivot]

yeah for stuff you want to have a fast response time for i prefer not using modifiers

[crystal flame]

i only did it cus ctrl 1 is chastise for me on priest but

[potent pivot]

like my kick, cloak, evasion, blind are all on mousebuttons

[crystal flame]

it doesnt work as well on rogue

not as reactive

[potent pivot]

i'd try to use modifiers on stuff you press less/don't need fast reaction timing for

like rupture

[crystal flame]

well i asked 1-4 cus

1-4 are buttons i press naturally when i feel like overwhelmed in a fight

so they should be the buttons i press the most as rogue

or mostly

[potent pivot]

yeah so like strike/evis/cheap shot

[crystal flame]

2, 3, 4 and shift +3 are my main buttons as a player

thats pretty much what i have except

im able to put strike on x

cus im used to spamming it to dps

[potent pivot]

oh that's way different

i'm really used to being able to move my character while pressing my binds

so i use z,x,c,v less

like i usually keep vial on C

i used to keep cloak on Z

but now i have an mmo mouse

so i've got a lot of binds on my mouse

[idle root]

do those tinker modules (engi helm socket) work inside rated pvp?

they dont, right

[jolly sierra]

nope

[idle root]

ty

[sick wasp]

season 4 ending soon first notice boys

make ur final push and gl for the rank 1 range boys in here

[wind star]

Which PVP game mode would you guys recommend for someone whos entirely new to pvp?

[potent pivot]

first i'd grind some regular BGs and arena skirmishes

get a feel for the game mode

[wind star]

sweet! will do!

[potent pivot]

once you're more comfortable, try out Shuffle

[hexed pollen]

https://youtube.com/shorts/LmvDAZm7QOA?si=X9sgT-4HGqzJKfW8

Dis how im going into first arena of TWW

healer is the helicopter

[potent pivot]

[drifting rover]

How many targets do I have to affected in the arena to be worth using FoK instead of Mutilate?

[narrow tangle]

i feel bad when i play assa

just bad

like completely different class

[potent pivot]

2 or more

pressing it on 1 target won't be the end of the world or anything

but 2 or more is preferred, just be careful you don't break CC either

[drifting rover]

tnx 🙂

[potent pivot]

takes getting used to

it is quite different from the other rogue specs

[narrow tangle]

assa should have cdr or some fun abilities

[wintry dew]

It is fun for most of us that play it

[outer sky]

wtf is this shit lol

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=44457/living-bomb

a pumped up living bomb

[waxen meteor]

oh i mean retail 🙂

Went vacation for 3 weeks, completely out in wow and discord. any homie so kind to let me know what’s going on lately in retail?
Any major changes

[potent pivot]

those changes he was talking about were for retail, but for TWW beta

there's been basically nothing new on live

[surreal barn]

🥱 We are all ready for prepatch

[waxen meteor]

so three weeks no update on pvp and pve

s4 same as when i left

[surreal barn]

Go back on vacation

[waxen meteor]

too much of vacation

[jolly sierra]

guys should i keep my glad pvp vers mastery shoulders and replace my malicia gloves or keep the gloves and craft versa mastery shoulders to gain stamina?

is basically stamina vs mastery

[grave basin]

Mastery always

[jolly sierra]

got it

[wintry dew]

Yeah retail is pretty much finished,

[sacred quiver]

"You don't need stamina if you don't take damage in the first place." - Mahatma Gandhi

[wintry dew]

That guy didn't play pvp

[jolly sierra]

who

[wintry dew]

Ghandi xD

[sacred quiver]

Rumour has it that he was the only one to hold rank 15 at the time!

[wintry dew]

That was a really good one, xD

[nova viper]

@jolly sierra seeeeeeexo

Sup choche

[karmic summit]

doesnt sub rogue use thiefs bargain anymore

[sick wasp]

thats fire mage

there is a wicked LB tech where they press combust and spam living bomb

most effective vs melee cleave

stupid storng

u can die only by breathing

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO, tsup fizz

ppl here gave me lambertz chocolate cookies, those are delicious af

[gilded ginkgo]

can anyone recommend good pvp rogue streamers or youtubers to watch ?

[potent pivot]

pikaboo, kalvish, palumor, trill, shadenox(YT)

[gilded ginkgo]

thanks

[outer sky]

@surreal barn leave me alone im tryna carry this disc priest lol

[surreal barn]

Looool

Sorry man

Was that you

I haven’t played this guy since week one I’m trying to get some gear for last week

[outer sky]

We were the dragon/disc

I just made that dragon 2 days ago though I'm pretty shit on him

[surreal barn]

Oh dang, that was brutal

[glass bear]

hello does anyone have any tips for fighting uhdk and resto druid as rm in 2s?

[inland wyvern]

i'm coming back to my rogue after a lot of time off. Assa seems really favored on the leaderboard compared to Sub/Outlaw. i love playing Sub, what does Assa have that Sub lacks that puts it ahead in 3s?

[potent pivot]

Good damage in general, good cleave damage

Having good damage and cleave damage is pretty big in the current meta

After a lot of CC was nerfed and more CC spells were added to more classes, we have what people are calling a lot of “micro CC”

This kinda shifted the meta away from big burst damage and CC set ups, and more towards somewhat PvE style gameplay

[inland wyvern]

so its not necessarily that sub is worse, but in a low comms scenario like solo shuffle assa just performs better because youre hardly coordinating at the level needed to pull off sub?

i guess sub dmg is pretty low outside of big cds so its not what you would consider good

[outer sky]

what addon or WA are yall using to track DRs on nameplates?

[potent pivot]

You can still play sub in shuffle, but yeah I wouldn’t disagree with that thought

[potent pivot]

Iirc it’s called Diminish

I can check in a bit

[outer sky]

Thats been discontinued

[potent pivot]

I’ll check when I get on

[inland wyvern]

the current version is barely outdated so it still works perfectly, but yeah its discontinued

[potent pivot]

Sub can do decent even with just Dance, but outside of Dance it’s pretty meh

[surreal barn]

Definitely agree with the no comms scenario. Rogue still punished more for a having dumbass partner imo

[glass bear]

https://wago.io/7Dx6xkd4k

[surreal barn]

The one minute dance lines up so perfectly with all your other cds and trinket as well. I am not having fun on beta as assa without it

[inland wyvern]

yeah i may just play sub anyways

[outer sky]

for some reason this one doesnt work for me

like it just doesnt do anything

[potent pivot]

you have gladius right

[outer sky]

yes

[potent pivot]

like you specifically want it on nameplates

[outer sky]

yes

[potent pivot]

have you checked Plater

[outer sky]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

to see if you can set it to track

[outer sky]

Yeah but I dont want to replace my nameplates addon. I like it too much and I'm really used to it

[glass bear]

Did you uninstall diminish before trying

[outer sky]

I dont have diminish

[potent pivot]

this would drive me insane

diminish should still work btw

at least until TWW

https://wago.io/R93MbZOoD

this is the only other thing i can find

[outer sky]

yeah and that one is inaccurate

[potent pivot]

which one, the WA?

personally i'd just stick with Diminish until it breaks

[outer sky]

yeah the WA

[potent pivot]

doesn't seem like anyone else has made one

[outer sky]

I'm using something called Nameplateccntrinket

but it doesnt change the icon to the one for your class

[potent pivot]

i know a lot of players are complaining for blizzard to add DR trackers to the game atm

[potent pivot]

wdym? like it shows the icon of whatever spell they were CC'd by?

might just have to deal with it if you're that against using Diminish as options seem quite limited unfortunately

[outer sky]

yeah so if they're on fear DR it will show the fear icon

I'd like it to show blind

but I pretty much know what DRs with what so its not a huge deal

but every once in a while it fucks me

[jolly sierra]

i have 2k3 rating atm

but tbh

idk if i get the 2k4 cut

[potent pivot]

Grind

[jolly sierra]

tomorrow

[junior ice]

Can someone explain why rogues get Crimson Tempest talent in pvp?

[jolly sierra]

to cleave

[outer sky]

2400 2s acquired

Legend Acquired

[potent pivot]

gzgz

[jolly sierra]

gratz dude

that is huge

[outer sky]

Drop CT and indiscriminate carnage for bonespike and doomblade into matchups where you dont think you'll get much value out of indisc carnage

[jolly sierra]

got flamed in a BG by holding flag

and guys didnt had mid safe

we ended winning

but after capping one we effectively got trolled with a flag and was capped by allies

[outer sky]

wholesome whispers in a solo lobby what

[jolly sierra]

for a moment thought was a death threat

[outer sky]

I know I may look okay on the outside, but deep down I really miss 7s kidney shot from Shadowlands

God imagine that with Opp Roar

[jolly sierra]

ohhhhh boy

[outer sky]

10s+ kidney

[jolly sierra]

how much is lizard buffing the ccs?

[outer sky]

50%

[jolly sierra]

OOF

10.5s stun

[outer sky]

yep

get kidney'd, go make a cup of coffee

[jolly sierra]

once in a stream ive saw a guy doing a blind

a sap

then a kidney

in a row

[outer sky]

You cant sap off of blind anymore

so there mustve been another CC involved

[jolly sierra]

was in shadowlands i think

[outer sky]

ah ok

yeah that was common

[jolly sierra]

was funny af to watch

hope that happens in SL

[outer sky]

blind>sap>kidney>garrote>DR stun>DR fear

[jolly sierra]

at 2k3 MMR i had a dumbass dh fucking up all my DRs

so we lose a lot those matches

[outer sky]

they cant help it. They stun passively when they meta

oh wait that got fixed

its a daze now

[jolly sierra]

then?

lol

[outer sky]

yeah

[jolly sierra]

fucking 2 button fucks

[outer sky]

I mean thats just the game, man. We play the whole match around our stun DR and nobody else respects it

other classes CC because they want to

rogues CC because we need to

In lost a SS match because my rsham decided to cap totem and 3x DR my stun 2 secs before the stun DR was going to fall off

i had kidney, bomb, and every CD

[jolly sierra]

bruh

[outer sky]

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, if brains were dynamite most WoW players wouldn't have enough to blow their noses

[jolly sierra]

true

[thick dagger]

I’ve had alot of shams do that to me as well especially there channel stun they literally always do it when no one is bursting as well

I hate when our Evis hits like a wet noodle sometimes with all our bursts some games I can hit 250+ others it’s like 120 it’s unreal

[wintry dew]

What a fucking Legend

[still abyss]

rogues

vs assa rogues

how can I mess you up as priest healer

(when playing against you)

[untold remnant]

Next xpac deathstalker envenom with pre shiv will do 1.3 mil damage

😂

[glass bear]

I was scared

just because the name was red

[waxen meteor]

how's the MMR now? did it inflate lately?

been out for 4 weeks

[summer breach]

just had a double marksman lobby lol

[noble plinth]

is it worth?

[summer breach]

pvp it scaled to 528 anw or?

or lets say it like this what items are we talking about 😄

[steel scarab]

@noble plinth absolutely not worth

[jolly sierra]

for me after months inflated by almost 200

[waxen meteor]

[long shore]

Guys does veil of midnight make you immune to physical damage for 5seconds?

[surreal barn]

not any longer

[waxen meteor]

Not anymore since last main patch

[jolly sierra]

nuh uh

[long shore]

Oh damn is there a scenario where we play that talent now?

If I cloak I’m still gonna get pounded by the warrior

[jolly sierra]

warrior effectively, assa and ferals

all 3 have huge bleed dmg

[long oxide]

Does anyone here have a good plater profile for assa in bgs and arena. Or one that you can recommend ?

[surreal barn]

Use to remove monks karma and any disarms

[surreal barn]

So much Warcraft shit on clearance

Time to get the young ones addicted early

[jolly sierra]

lol its cheap af

[steel scarab]

What is it?

[wintry dew]

Yo thats sick

whats that

[surreal barn]

They have nearly every blizzard book on sale at ollies

My first time in this crazy store

[jolly sierra]

a disney like book for wow lore

[surreal barn]

I have $300 of Blizzard books in my hand for $40 so far

[wintry dew]

Bro i'd buy them all just because i love it

Nvm im too poor

[surreal barn]

Yep

[wintry dew]

wait, all of those for 40?

BRO MY NERD ASS WOULD BUY THEM ALL

[jolly sierra]

those are on sale

tbh my favorite lore books are the chronicles ones

those explains a lot about past azeroth

and the drawings, the fkn drawings

[surreal barn]

Sorry about this not being pvp related

You all are the only nerds I know

[jolly sierra]

dw u have the green check from royal it seems lol

mr class president

HAHAHA

[waxen meteor]

so how does war within look like for us

[surreal barn]

So like, good thing I don’t like starcraft

[waxen meteor]

is sin/sub doing any good?

or what's the hot one for us now

what's the sin/sub one called? deathstalker?

[surreal barn]

Yas

[jolly sierra]

back when i was a child ive seen starcraft models for build

they looked epic af

sadly the store closed to bring cellphone shops everywhere

i think was this one

[wintry dew]

the only green check we want here is from @potent pivot
But, as far as i can say, if this conversation is not disrupting any PvP conversation, i'd say you guys are more than free to talk about whatever you want

[waxen meteor]

starcraft was a hard game for me

too many units to control

[wintry dew]

Especially me, who offtopics here so often

[waxen meteor]

this part is related to pvp 🙂

[surreal barn]

It’s ok

[wintry dew]

If you mean current pvp, yes, Assa is being played a lot

[surreal barn]

Tww

I don’t think it’s op in tww so far

[wintry dew]

Tww is questionable tho, we don't have real numbers nor the hero trees seem to be finalized

[wintry dew]

yes

Btw if ANYONE is interested in the PvE counterpart of the game, whispyr is streaming the raid right now

https://www.twitch.tv/whispyrttv

[surreal barn]

F. All the Warcraft novels are here too - any recommendations?

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/every-single-one-of-them-steve-kornacki-msnbc-all-of-them-everyone-gif-19744458

[surreal barn]

fine it is done I’m going to checkout

[jolly sierra]

how tf koreans dealt to top every starcraft world cup?

[jolly sierra]

emmmmm

warcraft legends is a very safe book to get

rise of the horde, tides of war and illidan one are safe too

if the mangas are there

u can buy them too, rlly liked how they were spin off to lore

[outer sky]

CC on shadow dance is really our only big cuck. Also if you're playing disc, save your dome for our bomb

[still abyss]

thank you. how long is the range on step for assa?

[outer sky]

25 yards

[still abyss]

is trying to max range the assa a thing?

[outer sky]

Yes

You don't want to be easily accessible to us

[still abyss]

why is dance the big thing?

I have no idea how assa works lmao

[outer sky]

Because that's the window we can spam stuns and silences without needing to restealth or vanish

It's also a 10% damage buff and gives us an additional 30% chance to crit

[still abyss]

I see

I'm also trying to think about how to "outplay" the rogue when he's sitting on me trying to CC and what not

sometimes I get a lucky KS fade

[outer sky]

Also as a healer don't overreact to deathmark it's a trash cooldown

Dance>kingsbane is whats scary

[still abyss]

what does the setup for kingsbane look like

[outer sky]

We always pair it with dance

[still abyss]

what does it do exactly?

[outer sky]

It's a DoT that hits really hard when it's first applied

And then does increased damage each time we get a poison proc

[still abyss]

so it's a DoT that increases in dmg?

I should probably track that

[outer sky]

Yeah but that first hit can truck someone

I did this to a DK earlier

[still abyss]

kek

[outer sky]

Also try and death or fade blind

That can be tricky because we rogues have discovered that enemy healers are simple minded creatures that only look at health bars and nameplates

So often we'll run at the enemy healer to juke them

Get them to waste their fade

Then send blind

[still abyss]

I'm playing at 2200 on disc

it's a complete fiesta

never seen a rogue juke a blind at this rating

[outer sky]

I'm at 2400 and I still juke healers all the time

[still abyss]

I think 2400 is a step up in quality

but that's good to know

[outer sky]

Oh yeah it is for sure

[still abyss]

I see stuff like that on holy priest

where I'm around 2500

but 2.1-2.2 is COMPLETE clown world

druid rakes me in opener then starts to clone

my MM hunter standing 5 yards behind the druid in full sight

just does nothing lmao

[outer sky]

That's just what druids do this season

Run around spamming clones all game

[still abyss]

really appreciate the tips chief

[outer sky]

Yeah any time

[waxen meteor]

wow

This soon

[wintry dew]

Yep yep

Literally 1 month before early access

[jolly sierra]

oh god no

nonononononono

i wont reach 2k4 for that day

[wintry dew]

You have 2 weeks

Maybe less

[jolly sierra]

for 100 rating

do u think is reachable?

[wintry dew]

I believe you can do it yes, let's go

[halcyon timber]

You will. Show them the conviction of a fully resolved Assassin. Your time is now.

[jolly sierra]

go in then

[waxen meteor]

just 60 and 51 you got it

[jolly sierra]

lets see

[steel scarab]

Man, if I did it, you can do it

Just do your best

[jolly sierra]

just went one

ended 3-3

[jolly sierra]

leaving for today

now i got a healer w 0 CR and in full greens

[twin burrow]

Eminem album masterpiece

[wanton breach]

https://tenor.com/view/caos-bob-esponja-crisis-patricio-gif-23199341

[summer breach]

#1 cutoff should be 4 spots for EU (right now it’s almost 4) and a required rating of 3150-3200

[surreal barn]

Good luck

[summer breach]

tyty - will see

I will for sure try it but don’t expect too much hehe

[surreal barn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/AiS2KyMFGN

I hope our gladiators don’t starve to death

[outer sky]

Any chance this will mean the 3s bracket wont be full of multi glads all the way up the latter?

[outer sky]

go 6-0 in one lobby and thats 70+ rating right there

[jolly sierra]

got 4-2 in one and won 4 rating

xd

[normal tendon]

do you guys use crimson tempest for 2v2 or just 3v3s

[wintry dew]

I haven't done pvp in a while but I don't see a reason to use it in 2v2

Since you mostly want to keep 1 target cced

[outer sky]

It depends entirely on whether or not you think you can get value out of Indiscriminate Carnage

Even in 3v3 into some match ups you can drop CT and IC for Doomblade and Bone Spike

Likewise into some 2s match ups you can play CT and IC

[maiden siren]

when you want to swap to a rdru, how do you apply dots beforehand ? Or do you burst only with kingsbane and then restun ?

[outer sky]

Multi dot healers when it feels natural to do so. When you swap you can use a kidney shot to apply your dots. Or if you have dance, which you need to do a real go, you can start with a garrite silence into a rupture into a cheap shot

[maiden siren]

yea usually i'll swap with dance, I'm talking in a scenario when the healers really is 50 yrds away in a large map.

Isn't it better to keep the garote for the silence after kidney ?

[outer sky]

Are you talking 2s or 3s?

[maiden siren]

3s mostly

[outer sky]

I don't think I've ever chased a healer across a large map just for a swap. If I have it was probably a hail mary. But when you do, build 5 combo points on someone else then kidney him and then apply your dots

Another thing you can do is kidney someone else and drop smoke bomb if you have it. 100% chance the healer comes in closer

I'd only send kingsbane on an undotted target if they're already low hp

Your bleeds or poisons will probably fall off the other targets during the go and you'll be energy starved af

[potent pivot]

nah, this isn't even the main way that boosters boost
@outer sky

[outer sky]

😦

Does anyone know at what %s vers>mastery?

I'm sitting on 100% mastery and 32% vers and I'm considering crafting another piece to have more mastery and less vers

[potent pivot]

you already have more mastery than most people

if you're talking about for sin

[outer sky]

yeah sin

[potent pivot]

don't think you need anymore tbh

[outer sky]

but I could probably squeeze out another 3% or so

[potent pivot]

not worth

[outer sky]

thats 100% with BSL though

[potent pivot]

and without?

[outer sky]

92%

As sub I have 138% lol

[potent pivot]

then yeah 95% is ok

[outer sky]

problem is right now my kingsbanes are only critting for like 400-450k

I rarely get one over 500k

a little more mastery may do the trick

[nova viper]

yoo

i hear rogue is piece of shit in TWW

thats true?

[potent pivot]

has TWW launched yet?

[nova viper]

no

[potent pivot]

then no

[nova viper]

but people say that

[potent pivot]

ignore people

[nova viper]

oke

thanks!

[potent pivot]

the expac isn't in a release state yet

people doom for no reason

[nova viper]

people cry for cry

understand

🫡

[potent pivot]

o7

[outer sky]

being shit at the beginning of an xpac usually isnt a bad thing anyway

being broken at the beginning of an xpac is fucked

you get nerfed into the ground

before anyone even has gear

and they love to nerf rogues

rogues, DKs, and Shamans are their favorite classes to nerf

and we dont get any of those minor 3% nerfs

when a rogue spec gets nerfed they hit that shit hard af right away

[untold remnant]

Rogue gets nerfed because people get kidney shot and killed

"UwUwUweuewe NEEERF" is what people call out then, meanwhile Ret always hit with the buffs

I just hate rets

[outer sky]

I hate all pallys

I really think forbearance should be a 45s debuff in pvp

Their range on their casts needs to be reduced

Freedom should work like a monks Tigers lust

Where it frees them from roots but doesn't provide immunity after that

Divine steed reduced to one charge or have its CD increased 50%

[waxen meteor]

Ret mobility is alright

Not really an issue

[outer sky]

And probably just remove vengeance shield from the game

[waxen meteor]

Hunter has same freedom skill

I guess if it needs to be chagned, all freedom will be changed

I feel ret just does too much dmg and too little heal

if dmg is greatly reduced -> the bigger range is no longer an issue

the support utility becomes a signature thing

[outer sky]

Hunters freedom is tied to their pet so they have to give up something for it and it doesn't last as long

Plus hunters don't have multiple immunities, off heals, sac, and a ret can do as much damage from a distance as a hunter can outside of MM trueshot

Like, rets can almost 1 shot you without even connecting

And if they do connect you're dead in a half DRd HoJ

So either they need to make it so they're EASY to kite (not possible to kite but easy to do so) or they have to tune their damage down a lot

Rets complain about their mobility but spend half the game on that damn horse

And the other half with freedom up

They could just make divine steed unusable in pvp and that would balance the spec IMO

But I def think forbearance being only 30s in pvp is crazy

[waxen meteor]

yeah all you said can be resolved by nerfing dmg haha

[outer sky]

But I wouldn't buff their healing

[waxen meteor]

tbh, lower dmg fits current ret role so well

[outer sky]

We do not need a repeat of Shadowlands WoG

[waxen meteor]

you have low mobility, great utility, super long range, good survival -> so your dmg is low

if they want some lore, make current ret dmg only when ret is being targeted badly

so it's more 'retribute'

when nobody hits ret -> long range, low mobility, good utility, some healing but no dmg support role
when they killing you -> dmg boooooost

[outer sky]

Could be like a reverse of devastation evokers mastery

[waxen meteor]

I played dragon s2 but didn't even read what dev mastery does

was an aug season

[outer sky]

Instead of doing more damage to a target when their hp is high, do more damage to a target when your hp is low

12% is the baseline, it increases with more mastery obviously

[waxen meteor]

totally, sounds very nice tbh

current ret isn't really fun to me in pvp

ret has way more utilitay in pve scenario though that actually is fun

you actually can heal, support that makes a difference

(but also does too much dmg...)

[wanton breach]

got killed by 3 sudden demise procs, LUL

[waxen meteor]

how can it proc twice?

[wanton breach]

idk, playing against lagging russians - everything is possible

[waxen meteor]

[outer sky]

That's 2 sudden demises

We're there 2 rogues?

[wanton breach]

it was one russian rogue, already dead on the ground - procced sudden demise 3 times within 1.7s

[waxen meteor]

I feel I came back from vacation in very bad timing

season bascailly ends next week rigth?

[potent pivot]

2 weeks but yeah

[jolly sierra]

im pissed af dudes after a trip to the city i had today

is not advisable in should pvp rated now, right?

[potent pivot]

prolly do something relaxing first

[jolly sierra]

better to, is the case

[wintry dew]

what happened?

[jolly sierra]

a friend of mine come back from to the city, wanted to go to the beach since yesterday, i told him i fucking hate beaches because fkn sand and sun and shit, also he wanted to go to the one where my hotel was settled

then told him i fkn hate that and bring me bad memories and dont wanna be recognized by ppl there (both for introvert nature and bad memories from clients)

he just said "grow up" and we kept going, he was stoned af cuz ate a baked shit with that

he stayed in the sand for a lot of time while i was paranoid af about someone recognizing me from my former job, then appeared another friend which had a crush on him and was just focused on him, so he told me to go out to the card shop and he said wont happens anything

waited him for like a hour and stayed outside cuz both i dont wanted to play alone and watch binders, so when he come back and asked what will we do told him im leaving cuz the day already died

we both went to the subway, he wanted to go to like 45m away from there and told him i was going home, so we took my line and i ended leaving

fkn day

[wintry dew]

You deserve a bath and a cold towel on your head

[jolly sierra]

oh boy, we are in winter

dont worry

[wintry dew]

Also, splashing cold water on your face will help cooldown

[jolly sierra]

for now i need to warm up

we are in a cold wave rn

[wintry dew]

I'm sorry you went thru that shit man

your friends should have known better

[jolly sierra]

was just one

the trip was with we both cuz we were homies

[surreal barn]

Hopefully he left with a nice sunburn and sand in his asshole

[jolly sierra]

hope so too

[long shore]

how do u guys kill healing stream / healing tide totems as assas?

it takes forever !!

and you get energy starved cause you cant bleed them anyway

[stoic spruce]

How else are you suppose to vent?

I guess ganking lowbies

The classic rogue passtime

[potent pivot]

you should being aiming to keep bleeds up on as many targets as you can anyway, so you shouldn't be getting energy starved when trying to kill a totem

[long shore]

sure. do we bleed healers too in shuffle?

[potent pivot]

yeah you can bleed whoever, depending on the healer it's usually good to dot them up from time to time

doesn't mean you focus/go way out of your way but ye

[fallen scaffold]

bestt heaelr for aff/assa/x?

prevoker?

[sick wasp]

interesting

that must be a very lucky proc rate

[summer plinth]

is there an assa rotation guide out there somewhere for pvp? I havent played since S1 but was thinking about trying for the 1800 set before season end

[wintry dew]

Do you know how to M+ assa? xD

[summer plinth]

Nope xD

[wintry dew]

Well honestly right now, in solo shuffle, m+ is the way of PvP. Even crimson tempest is being picked

Which means you just want to have dots up on as many targets as you can and keep refreshing them, envenom is just a filler if nothing needs refreshing

[summer plinth]

sounds good

[wintry dew]

Then the pvp basics apply, like stunning once DR's finish, stun-blind healers, the "basics"

[lucid citrus]

I would say either Rdruid or Hpal

[wintry dew]

RN starting mmr is high as hell, you can mostly squeeze your way easily to 1800

Unless you legit don't understand rogue, which i would believe since we had a big class rework in 10.2

[outer sky]

You can drop CT and IC for Bonespike and Doomblade if you dont think youll get value out of IC

[wintry dew]

Thanks for your insight Starlink, much appreciate it

[grave basin]

@wintry dew

i can quit wow now

[wintry dew]

LETS FUCKING GO CHAMP

https://tenor.com/view/pog-gif-18640695

FUCKING LEGEND LETS GO

[potent pivot]

check iceyveins pvp guide

[pale storm]

On mage, you traitor! You were our brother

[wintry dew]

Tell him blake!

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/traitor-gif-21942304

[pale storm]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-obi-wan-kenobi-you-were-my-brother-i-loved-you-star-wars-gif-16635149

[plucky escarp]

2300 in SS. I am like 3-3 in the last 4 lobbies and the waits have been so long. In still like 57% winrate. I’m hoping I find a spare 10 hours to sit enough Qs to get elite

[outer sky]

10 hours lol

thats like 2 lobbies

[outer sky]

lmfao

i just got reported for win trading

because I 1 shot someone in the 1st 3 rounds of SS

then in the 4th I got one shot

dumbass warrior thought I was win trading

[jolly sierra]

ME WARRIOR

ME NO CLUE

[summer breach]

just faced this guy

https://check-pvp.fr/eu/Hyjal/Kryptozx

another premium bot

🙂 🙂

challanger last season now at 3k mmr

former warrior main with 40% win on 1.6 xd

[sick wasp]

welcome to the club brotherman

off to the 500k

[jolly sierra]

premium wintrader

[pale storm]

The name though lol literally pays for his bot in crypto most likely

[jolly sierra]

did he paid w NFTs?

bruh

no merit in getting that rating without any effort

for a small community with more skill than average players

[potent pivot]

maybe he's just a cracked new player?

[summer breach]

Well so used to it

that when u face a normal ele

[potent pivot]

there would be zero reason for him to have an alt at high CR

[summer breach]

u question if hes afk or why he dont do any dmg

[potent pivot]

if he bought his prog

or used a bot etc

[summer breach]

he was accused and exposed many times

its a full premium bot

[potent pivot]

mmm

[summer breach]

doin everything

[potent pivot]

where

[summer breach]

in streams

Joefernandes for example when the bot was arround 2.7

and now hes 3k xd

[sick wasp]

dont think joe needs a bot

[sick wasp]

btw do u,by any chance,have a mage and que'd tonight around 1.7-1.8 rating?

maybe like an hour ago

[potent pivot]

nop

[potent pivot]

i think he meant joe faced the alleged bot

[sick wasp]

had my nephew play on my paladin,there was this mage ''trickzmage''

[sick wasp]

that would make sense then 😅

had to ask,coz he started yappin,the game ended up on a draw

[potent pivot]

yeah most of my toons don't even use trickz in their name :d

[vale basalt]

what embellishments do we run in pvp?

[potent pivot]

depends on spec, but you can check any spec's gear on murlok.io

it'll show you everything that the top 50 run, in every bracket

[vale basalt]

I saw on Murk it's suggesting the vault fire absorb ring, but I don't see anything that's proccing it

[jolly sierra]

ended 0-6 in a match today

DH/devoker/sub and wintraders healers

by far my worst match overall

[vale basalt]

gross

[jolly sierra]

DUDE THE FKN RSHAM NEVER THROW A HEX

FUCKING DISGUSTING I HATE THIS

[potent pivot]

You run it for the stats not the proc

[outer sky]

This resto druid in the last SS lobby I was in was such a chad

He was cloning the demo locks tyrant

absolutely elite

[outer sky]

I dont want to come off as elitist but just looking at this makes me depressed

[wintry dew]

We've had worse amongst us

[radiant glen]

need to crop a speech bubble above it

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-imposter-imposter-among-us-sus-among-us-sus-gif-158167910449982651

[lone goblet]

yer so close to that elite set, just a couple lucky matches.

Don't give up now.

[wintry dew]

isnt him

he's 2400 already xD

[outer sky]

2600

[wintry dew]

SORRY

[potent pivot]

still above average :d

[nova viper]

git gud

dont cry my spanish boy

seeeeeeeeeeeeexo

[vital socket]

What is even a good rating anymore

[outer sky]

I think 2400 is good rating idk

[wintry dew]

thats way above average obviously

[outer sky]

whats average? Like 2.1?

[potent pivot]

"average" is like 1500

there's like 40k players above 1.8 in NA alone, over 100k below
just going off checkpvp

[outer sky]

is that including the people who dont pvp at all?

I mean like among people that actually try and get rating

[potent pivot]

they have to have a bare minimum of 1 game this season

[outer sky]

Also wtf is this

[potent pivot]

even at 1.1k there are plenty of people

[outer sky]

I wouldnt even consider the people below 1600 because you cant even lose rating until you hit 1600

[potent pivot]

some people just don't gain any

[outer sky]

thats just weird to me

[potent pivot]

we had someone in here not long ago that was 1.2k with thousands of matches iirc

[outer sky]

how can someone be hard stuck 1.1k

[potent pivot]

you are in the like

top 2-5%

so it's easy for you to think that way

i've had similar thoughts in the past

but this is the reality lol

[wintry dew]

Yes, we had someone here with around 2k played games

stuck at 1000 rating

thanks to him we found out it was possible to lose rating below 1200/1300

[outer sky]

really? Ive spam lost games below 1600 on undergeared alts and have never lost a point of rating

[sick wasp]

until they play against u,suddenly they are fukin Flubbah ccing entire teams as a rsham

its the pug curse

[wintry dew]

It is true ._.

Not even with vod reviews he could learn

Until he finally quit rogue and went to paladin discord

[sick wasp]

welcome to season's end,where mmr doesnt apply

jk

it never does

[grave basin]

no one show him the amount of games of BIGDAM

of even rendlol

[thick dagger]

To bad tyrant is used to buff the other demons which happens the second it’s summond it hasn’t done dmg by itself in a long time

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[jolly sierra]

dude maybe i was dooming hard cuz i had a tummy pain from like 2 days

but in the end won 4-2

sadly worth just 12 CR

[grave basin]

how did your ss queue go

overall

[jolly sierra]

in which sense?

[grave basin]

gain cr?

[jolly sierra]

very slowly, or 0

or -

[sick wasp]

my nephew played my paladin yday it sunk but idc,its ok

i did what have to do on my mage

que is dead anyway

[jolly sierra]

seems like, tbh if i just earn 12

then idk

[sick wasp]

like yday my boy qued into merce's gnome war

in shuffle

man had 2.680 cr

my paladin had like 1850

[outer sky]

@jolly sierra how close are you to 2.4 now?

[sick wasp]

[jolly sierra]

like 150 rating away

[sick wasp]

achievable

just need to 6-0 a 2.3 lobby

[jolly sierra]

impossible

[sick wasp]

believe in urself

[jolly sierra]

im not the kind of guy for 6-0 in a high rated bracket

[sick wasp]

no one is

until u are

[jolly sierra]

xd

[sick wasp]

u can do it

i believe

[wintry dew]

I second that

Lets go mister Panda

[outer sky]

Can I give you some advice? Maybe good maybe bad idk

[jolly sierra]

everything works

[outer sky]

Play to one shot someone

I'm at 2600 and I still do this

[jolly sierra]

detail it more

[sick wasp]

lock the target as if u where to murder him,no remorse,no holding back

go in for the kill

bomb his ass

apply max pressure

thats always the play

if u are a rogue

[outer sky]

Option 1: get a trinket from a class that can die in a stun without blowing your CDs. Zuggers will often trinket offensively early on or your teammates CDs can force a trinket. Then maintain full bleeds on the target. When they dip below 80% or so, kidney>bomb>deathmark>shiv>dance/badge/tea>kingsbane

Option 2: wait until someone is sub 50%. Don't even stun. Just shiv>dance>kingsbane

And obviously tea and badge

I win probably half of all my games doing one of those 2 things

[jolly sierra]

interesting

lets see what happens, i recall following a tip here and got like 200 CR by applying it

[sick wasp]

i mean its shuffle man

just do dmg

pve works

dont overthink

😉

i cant imagine waiting for a trinket though

thats pretty L for me

[outer sky]

When if you bomb, make sure you're positioned between your kill target and their healer so when the healer inevitably tries to run into the bomb you garrote silence them before they make it in

Even if you don't get the kill you'll force a ton of CDs

I was just in a 2600 lobby and I did this and I got darkness, BoP, and life swap

[sick wasp]

2.6 lobby no ult sac?

[outer sky]

You don't have to wait long most of the time.

[jolly sierra]

huh

[sick wasp]

im not rly a 2.6 gamer now but i never wait 😉

applying pressure fast results to mistakes

thats what u emant above

ofc im 100% in agreement

thats what rogues do

cheese the mfkers

[outer sky]

I played a lobby yesterday with 2 hunters in it

I went 5-1

3 of those 5 games I won by just pressing dance>kingsbane completely off script

Keep in mind I have 100% mastery

My shit hits hard af

[sick wasp]

yup its supposed to

thats the way

[outer sky]

I'm not a good rogue though like I've been trying to push glad all season and haven't gotten close. But I'm 2.4 in 2s and 2.6 is SS and this works for me at least

[sick wasp]

if u get up to 2.4 in 2s u are there,just need to get lucky but highly doubt any glad is achievable now

its very hard coz rank 1s push to secure

high chance u get outplayed in 8 out of 10

[outer sky]

I think I could get it if I had a team. Queuing 3s randomly in lfg isn't ideal

[sick wasp]

lfg 3s no thx

ild rather play something else

im done with lfg 3s

no thx

but u can do it man

definitely

u do 2s 2,4

u are there

it will come

[outer sky]

Those are the only 3s I'm able to play. What's really weird is I actually found a consistent RBG team. That's 9 other people I've been playing with all season

But I can't find 2 consistent people to do 3z

[sick wasp]

Like idk how u can push to glad and camp it for a while coz u need the wins

maybe RPS

[outer sky]

RLS is probably best rn

[sick wasp]

yeah

RLS sounds better

[surreal barn]

Shadowplay really does feel dumb to play against

[outer sky]

In 2s I can carry though. So I can play with pretty much anyone and I'll at least break even on rating since all I need to win most of the time is a healer to pve heal me

[surreal barn]

Doesn’t matter who your KT is lol

[outer sky]

In 3s I can't carry

I need people to make plays

[sick wasp]

its definitely much harder to carry in 3s

very few rogue could and thats not consistent

3s are carried by mages or healers

[outer sky]

I asked nessper how to play into shadow play this season and he said you don't. You just go next because they have to lose on purpose. But that's pretty shitty when that comp is half the latter lol

[surreal barn]

Yeah I can see that

They best chance I’ve had against it so far was bombing the lock first go right on his port

[outer sky]

Affi lock heals 1/3rd of what his healer does

[surreal barn]

If you do your go before the lock has any momentum it is nice

[outer sky]

So I actually do know how to beat them it's just not fun.

[surreal barn]

But yeah they literally have to mess up to lose

[outer sky]

Unless they make critical mistakes they'll never die until late dampening

[surreal barn]

Like, 5 times

[outer sky]

Healing carries that comp

[sick wasp]

yup

its just dump

[outer sky]

So if you really want to win, what you do is just wait

[sick wasp]

they can respond to eveyrthing

[outer sky]

Sit behind your pillar and afk

Until dampening ramps up

Then you can kill them

[surreal barn]

Now, when I am on MM

[outer sky]

But you're talking like a 10m game

Of just doing nothing

[surreal barn]

And I have a devastation evoker with me

It is fun as fuck

Good luck healing that lol

[outer sky]

The devoker is pretty squishy though and not that scary outside of dragon rage. If you don't get every CD on your first trueshot/dragon rage go then it could be rough

[surreal barn]

Thing is, they usually focus dev the whole game

Leaving me to just lay down the pain

It forces them to bunker hide and not stand in the middle dotting like usual

[outer sky]

Yeah i can see why. The way I usually play against devoker comps is to only go them during dragon rage unless they have shroud up during rage

Unless it's like, assa dev

[surreal barn]

Right

[outer sky]

Then I'm sitting the dev the whole game unless the rogue wastes trinket

Then I'm plotting a bomb kill

[surreal barn]

I’m just talking vs shadowplay, I still get owned by rogues if they disarm properly

[outer sky]

Kidney into disarm on trueshot

Feelsbad

Although MM still does really good damage outside of trueshot

It never really feels safe to leave them alone

[sick wasp]

MM is very scary

[outer sky]

Like even outside of CDs, if every global they press is a damage global people are just getting destroyed

[sick wasp]

plus they can have procs

and instant aimshots

[outer sky]

I try and save gouge to interrupt aimed shot vs them

[sick wasp]

idk if they play snipershot and the other thingy that clocks trueshot

the final node

but its disgusting and scary

[outer sky]

Nobody plays sniper shot anymore

[sick wasp]

u cant let them hit u

[outer sky]

It's been nerfed too hard

[sick wasp]

yeah ik

[outer sky]

Honestly aimed shot does almost as much lol

[sick wasp]

yeah it basicly now is the same dmg

[outer sky]

Usually during trueshot I try to kidney>disarm>gouge aimed shot>meld aimed shot

[sick wasp]

idk,i rly had hard times into MM hunters

i was queing as either frost mage or fire mage

so what i did is combust trade their trueshot

i do more dmg in my window than the hunter

i can force a sac

so the mfker is forced to turtle

or stop pveing

[outer sky]

He should just pet sac your bust

It's big counter

[sick wasp]

yeah

the biggest coutner vs combust

literaly nulifies it

[outer sky]

If you're playing with a druid you can even blind the hunters trueshot

Since the druid will be using the blind DR for clone anyway

[sick wasp]

ye

or im either going in with barriers and hope my alter time isnt purged

and just displace heal the dmg

else ill proc

so its either me or him

[outer sky]

MM is probably the biggest counter to fire mage in the game

[sick wasp]

yeah its a mfker that much i can say

[outer sky]

All that high bursty damage into a clothy with 15% less hp than everyone else

Plus pet sac

And they have a purge

And a freedom

[sick wasp]

traps+interrupt+scatter

[outer sky]

Well that fucks everyone

[sick wasp]

😉

[outer sky]

They destroy me on devoker too

Dragon defensives are shit

[sick wasp]

everyone pretty much

[outer sky]

They'll kill me through scales

[sick wasp]

they are killing my hpally

with 44% vers

[outer sky]

And they can actually kill me faster than renewing blaze can heal me

[sick wasp]

and 25% less dmg taken

from stuff

the only thing that counters hunters is shields

[outer sky]

Yeah you're basically BoPing on CD if the hunter doesn't get peeled

[sick wasp]

yup

and its kinda stupid coz the hpally shield is purgable

and u lose glimmer

[outer sky]

Classes with a lot of micro CCs from a distance can counter them

Like demo lock

[sick wasp]

demo kinda disgusting as well

they press dogs and u dc

bugged specc

[outer sky]

Priest is the biggest offender of that

The mind control DC bug has been in the game so long now it's basically a feature

[sick wasp]

yeah

its just cringe

or in ruins

u get mc'd and u fall inside the grave

[outer sky]

Yep had that happen

[sick wasp]

tbh im ok with this season

i had fun

i feel complete

ups and downs as well

[surreal barn]

Wish legend felt worth the time

I’m sure it feels worth it to some people but that stupid flag doesn’t do anything for me.

Just sit there in 2700mmr queues asking yourself why 😂

If it doesn’t change at all in TWW I guess I’ll just get better at other classes 🤷‍♂️

[jolly sierra]

when i reached elite for first time felt it didnt worth

the title was temporary too and just awarded a flag

xd

[outer sky]

I wish there were rewards for 2s

[sick wasp]

i think there should be rewards for 2s,just not the same as with 3s

separate titles n stuff

its high end pvp but 3s is on a completely different lvl

[jolly sierra]

i think they should keep pvp titles as permanent

they are already very exclusive for bracket

being temporal and regathering them is boring, even more if u rerolled

[still abyss]

assa rogues! when do I want to press poison cleansing against you guys as rsham

[potent pivot]

no helping the enemy 😈

[surreal barn]

You don’t

[potent pivot]

but in all seriousness: you want to look out for Deathmark, Kingsbane and Shadow Dance

those are our big damage buttons

[surreal barn]

Press it 15 seconds after kingsbane

Make a weakaura

[still abyss]

why 15 sfter

[potent pivot]

he's trolling

[still abyss]

[potent pivot]

kingsbane is 14 seconds long

[still abyss]

heh

[wintry dew]

it almost worked

[hexed pollen]

should probably pre-clense before we open, it messes us up

[outer sky]

Y'all notice that evoker expunge doesn't remove kingsbane?

[outer sky]

Realistically its not worth it and I'm not even trolling you. it removes kingsbane and wound poison. Wound poison gets reapplied instantly and kingsbane is most scary on the first hit. Timmortal who's a 2x r1 rsham even says its not worth it vs assa rogue

[still abyss]

lontar plays it every round from what I've seen but hmm

it might not be worth the global

[outer sky]

I'm sure its viable but I think you have to drop cap totem for it which generally has a lot more value

[outer sky]

I just played a SS lobby with a demo lock running a pet that auto-stuns