pvp

[steel scarab]

In m+? How is outlaw any harder, there's no forethought required whatsoever

You literally just push the buttons when they're ready

[gilded gulch]

Outlaw most people fuck up in damage

its a ton of microdecisions in a short time

[pastel burrow]

outlaws harder cause carpal tunnel is a spec passive

[fresh jacinth]

Isnt that why pros use auto hotkey 🤣

[orchid temple]

does anyone here disable nameplate tracking of poisons?

i'm wondering if i'll ever need to see my poisons for any reason, or even debuffs like Internal Bleeding - should i just have garrote/rupture/kingsblade/deathmark?

[fallen scaffold]

i dont disable them, i just make them smaller than my prio buffs like garrote/rupture/shiv/deathmark etc, and i put those prio buffs on a seperate row above regular debuffs

i like to know if i need to psn knife off target or healer or something to keep em slowed etc

[orchid temple]

ok interesting, so maybe just track crippling poison or are there times you'd want to know about multiple poisons? @fallen scaffold

and do you use plater to do all of this or something else?

atm i'm using plater and have found 'buff special' which is placed in a different area e.g. on top

am thinking of just tracking shiv separately up there, what do you think?

[fallen scaffold]

i use plater and that buff special option

[orchid temple]

ah it's so messy with multiple targs though

[orchid temple]

can i poss see yours and settings?

ty

can i see what yours looks like in action?

[fallen scaffold]

ye sec

might be messy in your opinion

worrks for me doe

[orchid temple]

nice ty

would you say crippling is the main one you'd still want to track to see if slowed?

i'm trying to only keep 1

and want to know if you'd choose crippling over wound

[fallen scaffold]

uhh yeah i guess? unless your more concerned with how much ms somebody has? but i mean im sure you havea good idea of that in your head already, idk i dont ever check that

[raven schooner]

What is the rotation for sub opener this season? Haven’t played since S2 :x

Didn’t really see anything on YT

Was still kinda learning rogue when I stopped playing a few months ago want to get back into retail

[tacit crane]

I think there's a video on pika doing a vod review of venruki's solo shuffle, he pretty much says what's the usual opener

[raven schooner]

nice ty ill look for it

[sharp sierra]

lol some guy just pissed rage whispered me so i decided since i multi box i'd report him for language on 5 accounts of mine and i got a notification his account was actioned lol

guess you can abuse that automated system easily haha

[jolly sierra]

what the heck

lol

ye you can

that is how profession mafias works in DF

[stoic spruce]

I love my computer

all my friends are on dere :)

[summer breach]

at latest u face pet classes those nameplates seem unplayable

[wanton breach]

i don't know about plater but some nameplate addons can hide pet/guardian nameplates

[surreal barn]

To add onto @wanton breach - nameplatebuffs works well with plater

Gives you a blacklist to work with

[summer breach]

The plates are scaled just to big

u can’t see the game

I can only suggest to reduce the interface to avoid overload. especially Weakauras and plates

I use better Blizz plates and only recommend that

[surreal barn]

https://wago.io/tyrvN6gAl

This is pretty cool too - I also pref blizzard style

I was getting that Hunter bug where their nameplate disappeared and this fixed it at the time

~ a year ago

[surreal barn]

I’m gonna try better blizzard plates on beta later since I have today off

[summer breach]

this is how it looks for me in cleave

[surreal barn]

mine is the same yeah

[summer breach]

u have also colours on totems (grounding, poison cleanse etc

[surreal barn]

Does it show on the plate who they are casting at

Without targeting

[summer breach]

I think SArena gives that option

but im A Gladius Man xD

[surreal barn]

I been spoiled with it being on the actual nameplates since I swapped last year

I still can’t believe a lot of this shit isn’t in the standard ui yet 😂

[summer breach]

Yeah blizzard doesnt really care haha

idm as long as they balance the game. Really curious to see all the hero talents in arena

[surreal barn]

@summer breach

[summer breach]

should be an absolute mess at .0 patch

[surreal barn]

This is what I had on my phone, doesn’t show multi dot but it’s small

[summer breach]

as it has been the case for 15 years

yyeah looks pretty clean

clean UI is the first big step to get better

[surreal barn]

Game changer

Hard to know what to clean up if you’re new though

Like I’ve been playing rogue for years and when I tried Hunter last month my UI is fucking abysmal

[summer breach]

Yeah its just so different to PvE

whenever I play keys im like "what is goin on" 😄

my UI is very simple and before I knew the bosses and mechanics I was like wtf haha

[surreal barn]

lol true I don’t even have dbm installed it’s been so long

I nabbed the name Salvo on tich last night

Hopefully doesn’t take too long to level in remix

Was hoping to do it all on my day off

[summer breach]

Today Ill have to climb back on my 4th rogue

but tbh #1 shuffle with only 3 spots seems impossible

[surreal barn]

I mean it’s all about the last day lol

[summer breach]

alot good rogues competing and u dont know who might even wintrade

[surreal barn]

Fluctuates so fast

[summer breach]

well if u have high MMR now it helps a lot

[surreal barn]

Yeah mine is sitting at 2720ish

[summer breach]

on two rogues im very high and on 2 im hardstuck 2.8

[surreal barn]

I’m down at 2550 though I haven’t queued in a long time

Looong lol

[summer breach]

Yeah I shouldnt play 4 rogues

3 is better

[surreal barn]

3 characters

[summer breach]

but with 2.9 mmr u literally can never q

[surreal barn]

Whatever they may be for myself

I did 3 rogues last season and I feel like if I sucked it up with two NE instead of 1 I’d have gone so much farther than NE/human/tauren

[surreal barn]

Probably will never be that high

Not something I have to worry about

[summer breach]

yeah I might just go for 3k and skip r1

not even worth the struggle haha

[surreal barn]

Need better rewards for me to suffer

Legend pennant is a joke

[summer breach]

agreed the title isn’t so nice

and for glad it’s only the mount

I like it 1 day then it’s just one more 😂

glad had actually value in the past, lost it in BFA completely though

[surreal barn]

My favorite mount is the ohnaran plains mount where you transform into the bird

Looks cool af on beta and you can do some things without dismounting as a bonus

[summer breach]

my alltime Favorites are the legion drakes

mainly for nostalgia I think

[surreal barn]

Those are nice yeah

[summer breach]

the Season 1 and 4 DF are nice

and for non PvP I have the Jaina elemental

dunno if u know that haha

[surreal barn]

I’d like to see them make a gladiator horse

[summer breach]

please not haha

any glad mount is sick

untill The masses get it

when I first saw the current one live in a shuffle I was like wtf

and now it’s „Okay“

[surreal barn]

haha

[summer breach]

im 42min in q

on my lowest char

really cba this

got pop brb & gl xd

[surreal barn]

Just go use the restroom

That’s when it pops

[fallen scaffold]

I don't have pet nameplate enabled

[steel scarab]

I'm trying to get motivated to queue for more

I've been doing M+ though and it's kinda fun, gives me something to spend my Aspect crests on

Just hate that queue time

[untold remnant]

Can anyone tell me the gameplan of Unholy Assa and what heal is good with it?

Any streamers who play that comp? I wanna try it but am uninformed

[spring bough]

4 times yesterday. Joined Que. went to fill water or bio break. Came back Que popped and gone. Re qued and was a minimum 25 minutes each time 🤦‍♂️

[sick wasp]

typically priest coz PI makes both classes double dip on their bleeds/dots

if assa goes into deathmark tech it quad dips into PI.Not many things to plan,maybe bait a major def cd and pi the rogue on the swap

[surreal barn]

Yeah sometimes I fake piss and peek around the corner to see the monitor

[spring bough]

When I was chasing elite I would keep my phone next to my computer. Hook up my headphones to my phone and do the active listen so I could hear the Que pop if I was doing stuff around the house 😂

[wanton breach]

like a baby phone but for your solo shuffle queue?

[sick wasp]

3 tokens today from cata classic

think im gonna farm an entire year

since s4 is

[surreal barn]

Or you could just buy em

I bet you’re spending longer 😂

Unless it’s really that insane in cata

[sick wasp]

the inflation is real

u get gold only by breathing

2k gold per day only by playing like 30-45min and the token costs 12k

if u wanna hardcore farm u can do like 8-10k in 4-5hours

[jolly sierra]

rog is at lvl 68 rn

im even considering getting pvp elites

but idk about the rating

[sick wasp]

its fun but u gonna get gapped,alot of bigboys on firemaw

im playing my dk doing dailies but today ive cleared the map from quests

ive made 24k gold,had another 12k from auction selling n stuff

boom 3 tokens

[jolly sierra]

oof

u will be playing a lifetime dude

[sick wasp]

ive played like 5-6hours

quests are hilariously easy

1 howling blast and DK kills 10 mobs

[jolly sierra]

but

what is than you specifically do for that in dailies?

[sick wasp]

idk what u imply but u get rep to exalted,once u get up to 333+ilvl u do heroics

u get valor from heroics and sell boe

5k each piece

ive went full goblinism today

ild rather spend those 100Euros on some food for me and my gf

never fails

think its the ''perfect storm'' situation where u can just make many tokens almost effortlessly

[jolly sierra]

wait what

lol

[sick wasp]

the money u would have bought gametime with

u will spend elsewhere

[jolly sierra]

i know

[sick wasp]

because u wont need to buy it,coz u wont be needing it

[jolly sierra]

tbh

i need to learn fast flying

feels like shit

flying at 150%

[sick wasp]

true,ive had that from wrath

[jolly sierra]

hope i can level up to 85 asap doing NM then HC in dungeons and start farming

[sick wasp]

u can easily buy it before u hit 85

[jolly sierra]

w gold from quests?

[sick wasp]

with everything u do

if u play the game u should have like 6-7k once u hit 85k

u will be forced to do the quests anyway for the rep gains and the easy 346ilvl gear and enchants n stuff

so ye,u will do the quests either way

[jolly sierra]

yeye

i recall back in the day never had shit from therazane

cuz never started the chain

[sick wasp]

ill be working on my hunter now,ill prolly make 4-5 tokens out of her

lul ye

we also got tabards

[jolly sierra]

yep

[sick wasp]

so it will be much easier

[jolly sierra]

my 1st cata exalted was dragonmaw i recall

[sick wasp]

there is no dragonmaw reputation in cata

u mean wildhammer

[jolly sierra]

nah tatooed dwarves are a myth

same as bearded dwarven women

[sick wasp]

idl smash

(for a token or two)

[surreal barn]

I have a few WoW movie xmog codes

You think I can sell these?

[sick wasp]

maybe

[surreal barn]

Probably too old and worthless

[sick wasp]

like wasnt there a reddit thing for those

[surreal barn]

Just found going through my old box of shit

[jolly sierra]

perhaps

because that shit was given only w movie or ingame event

and one isnt available anymore

but check the expiration date

[surreal barn]

I think it’s expired from a google search lol

[jolly sierra]

lol F

[surreal barn]

I was gonna give one to @wintry dew for a transmog competition or something

Oh wellll

[jolly sierra]

sure, lets see if it works kek

[wintry dew]

I was summoned. What are y'all talking about?

[surreal barn]

Find out if the old Warcraft movie codes still work

If they do I have one for your next xmog competition

However - @jolly sierra has to be a judge too

Those is the rules

[wintry dew]

Can you remind me which codes those are?

nice detail on the middle finger LOL

oh game time one?

[surreal barn]

Whatever this is

[wintry dew]

thats a oldie, from when the movie released

[surreal barn]

Yeah

[wintry dew]

that probably has the 4 transmog weapons we got

[gleaming pawn]

weren't those mogs free for everyone?

I never saw the movie, and have the swords and shields

[wintry dew]

It was free for those that played during X and Y time in WoD

[gleaming pawn]

ah that makes sense

[surreal barn]

Ah

Then this code is worthless

[gleaming pawn]

nah I'm sure there is people that would be interested that don't have the mogs

[wintry dew]

it SEEMS thats what that code is for, if not for the 30 days free time

In case it also has game time

Yeah it seems thats just the 4 transmogs

You could probably sell that

Oh it seems it also awards the player using the code the base game wow

[surreal barn]

Idk looks like the code is expired looking at these old Reddit posts

[wintry dew]

I couldn't find anything on the expiration date :c

[jolly sierra]

bout what lol

[wanton breach]

that's a bit of mastery

[jolly sierra]

glad rousing ire sells well

im farming 200 daily to get some gold too alongside cata

[jolly sierra]

oof

[gleaming pawn]

the gift that keeps on giving

[wintry dew]

At least he keeps us entertained

I'm one of those dumb guys that thinks that you don't need to be a self to be a good player

[gleaming pawn]

us blood elf gamers are just dumb though

[wintry dew]

I went from belf to human

This expac. Which means I'm dumber

At least he's where he belongs. Below average mmr/cr

@jolly sierra you're dumb too

And @sick wasp now that we mention it

Bunch of dumb people is this channel

#pvp message

(before they ask what's up)

"at least you can choose a race"

him when he joined paladin's discord

"yo what's the best op GG race for hpala?"

[jolly sierra]

im the dumbest here

yeah, but im the most attactive here overall

[wintry dew]

Panda is cute confirmed

[wintry dew]

He does realize that nelf can't be paladin right?

[jolly sierra]

wait till some xps later

[wintry dew]

This is so weird man, being called dumb by a player that runs faster than knowledge is able to

[gleaming pawn]

at this point, who knows

[wintry dew]

He just keeps outrunning it

[gilded gulch]

the fact this guy doesnt see the value in ruining a cc setup potentially

[wintry dew]

That's just too much for his head

[gilded gulch]

i can’t believe he mentioned 5% movespeed in stealth

as a reason meld is broken

[wintry dew]

I'll honestly say that I did my best in providing him whatever knowledge I have in this game to aid him grow as a pvper to at least a mediocre level

[gilded gulch]

i think nelf had a bigger impact when non sub rogues didnt have dance

[wintry dew]

Yet I'm dumb for telling him to play whatever race he wanted, because it wouldn't matter in the end, if he didn't know the basics

[jolly sierra]

he was ahead of us all the time

dont u recall when he disarmed a mage?

[wintry dew]

I do

[gilded gulch]

Wait that was real?

wasnt that an eu guild name

[wintry dew]

Yes xD

It was real

[jolly sierra]

was real

[gilded gulch]

was it not a mis press

[wintry dew]

Coming from him, who knows

[gilded gulch]

I could have sworn there was an eu guild

named disarming mage

in all caps

[wintry dew]

Mage disarmer made legend

[gilded gulch]

Wait a minute he was trying for over a year?

[jolly sierra]

ye

[wintry dew]

More

[gleaming pawn]

he held the record of solo shuffle rounds played until Wildsoul

[wintry dew]

I have that screenshot somewhere

[gleaming pawn]

but at least Wildsoul got out of the 1200s

[wintry dew]

3000 played at 1000cr

Let me find it

[gilded gulch]

Why would you play healer

if strugglebussing that hard as a dps

[gleaming pawn]

no idea

maybe he just has a kink for getting digitally kicked in the dick over and over again

[wintry dew]

Can't fucking find the SS

This should suffice

Old SS

@gilded gulch

[gleaming pawn]

ancient screenshot with someone talking about hemotoxin being 100% taken 🙂

[gilded gulch]

the fact he has apparently a "sub rogue pvp guide" posted on his youtube

concerns me

[jolly sierra]

wait what

really

[gilded gulch]

yes

[jolly sierra]

dude we literally are the living pvp guide

[gilded gulch]

his youtube is linked to his discord

[jolly sierra]

how

lemme see

[gilded gulch]

its a year old but still

[wintry dew]

Being 1 year old means

It's the same time as that screenshot probably

[jolly sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpbvIc0Rw7E

idk how to fill bout this

BECAUSE WE FUCKING TOLD HIM IN PVP WE DONT DO ROTATIONS FOR FUCK SAKE

[wintry dew]

The best part:

[gleaming pawn]

how much of his guide was taken from him asking questions and he included the answer

[wintry dew]

[gilded gulch]

Ask for a cut of the ad revenue.

jk

[jolly sierra]

gatekeeping is justified in some contexts

maybe this is one of these

[jolly sierra]

now guys, what is the difference with merek saying this?

[wintry dew]

Merek did reach 1.8(?) pretty fast

Or was it 1.6

[jolly sierra]

i think he didnt

were 1k6 tho

[wintry dew]

So atleast he was pressing the right keys

Probably from hyper video guide

[jolly sierra]

lol

[wintry dew]

[jolly sierra]

but we are dumb af for reaching above average rating without NE it seems

[steel scarab]

Hey I did it without NE!

Can I be dumb too?

[jolly sierra]

ye

u are the dumbest here with the highest CR record this season for non NE

[steel scarab]

Lol

[jolly sierra]

anyways

[jolly sierra]

guys who played cata, if is in ur memories, can you tell me how u played sub in that day?

(im just doing sub for being the most viable dont think wrong of me lol)

[surreal barn]

Cata and slands were the only two expansions I skipped

[jolly sierra]

cata was shit indeed

but i need to do something else besides getting gold as rog

XD

[surreal barn]

Just so happens I graduated when I quit cata and got married during shadowlands

I should probably quit again to move up in life

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

nah dude u can play part time lol

just reach 2k4 every season and leave

[gleaming pawn]

Just do damage 🙂

Sadly I don’t remember specifically how I played, just that it was the best time to be Sub and I miss Cata Sub. The last time I truly played it

[jolly sierra]

god dammit

[vocal surge]

Cata was rad for twinking characters

Had a lvl 70 DK 1 tap people with Death Strike

A lvl 55 priest that was immortal to all but heirloom users in full greens and blues

Full int build

[jolly sierra]

yeah i recall some fuckers in full TBC gear with 2 warglaives in cata doing arena as twink

[sick wasp]

Technically got all races outside cows

i just like humans more

[potent pivot]

o.O that wouldn't be considered twinking though would it?
thought twinking was specific to keeping your char at like level 19/20 etc

[vocal surge]

Level 19/20 was the most common bracket for twinking

But there were other brackets as well

[potent pivot]

yeah i've heard of people doing some around level 40 and whatnot, but far less popular iirc

the lv20 twinking community is still pretty big even these days if i'm not mistaken

[vocal surge]

Yup

Too bad the strongest 19/20 Twinks were from Legion

[potent pivot]

can make some serious gold from them by farming rare low level BoE's

[vocal surge]

It was unproportionately bad how big the gap is

[potent pivot]

i've seen some of them pay millions of gold for good BoE gear

[vocal surge]

Aye

But it was nowhere near as bad as Legion

Prelaunch event gave gear whenever you did the Legion Invasion things

and the thing that made it so wanted for twinks

was the fact it can get Warforged

[potent pivot]

lmao

sounds bad already

[vocal surge]

so instead of having an HP pool of like ~1.5k, with full Warforged Legion gear

they'd have 3k - 4k hp

at lvl 19/20

Leagues better over what the base game had before prelaunch

If you had what could be considered Twink gear before Invasion gear, you'd get 1 tapped

[jolly sierra]

it is i think

[wintry dew]

Redoing twinks was a PITA

Blizzard increased ilvl across the board, so my lvl30 rogue with full epic raid gear and gems after the ilvl redo had 30ilvl. The same raids I got the gear from now award 100+ ilvl

[jolly sierra]

lvl 71 and got the farming for today

gotta go later again

hope can reach 85 soon

[wintry dew]

Good gold up until now?

[wanton breach]

is this a joke?

like a prank

[potent pivot]

don't think so

[wanton breach]

[lone goblet]

I watched it, seems pretty good. He goes over the opener in detail and talks about using stuns.

[wanton breach]

can't wait for his hpal guide

[wintry dew]

You do know the "story" behind him right?

[harsh kiln]

you still on about hyper?

[wintry dew]

Yeah new funny stuff came out and we chilling

[harsh kiln]

just read a pm back and forth we had last year and it's basically word for word his opening to the guide lol

[wintry dew]

Go ask for royalties

[harsh kiln]

nah i'm good i would't trust my own advice at any time lol

[wintry dew]

Funny thing this time is that we are dumb for telling him to not care about race at his skill level

[wanton breach]

next time it should be added that he probably shouldn't make guides for something he isn't actually good at

[wintry dew]

1000 Cr isn't bad

[harsh kiln]

i could probably get 1000cr, if i tried really hard

maybe that's the next challenge

[wintry dew]

Most players here didn't know you could lose rating to go back from like 1200 to 1000 again

[harsh kiln]

you'd have to try really really hard lol

[wintry dew]

I proudly said we did our best to help him (and anyone who comes here), most of us, me included are not r1s but there's always some help we can provide.
So I'm okay with whatever he says about the dumb rogues from RH, in the end he's the one with 3000+ solo shuffle rounds, stuck at 1000 cr

Amen

We got a extremely good community overall

[nova viper]

@jolly sierra seeeeeeeeexo

[potent pivot]

wait he shit talked RH?

no shot

[nova viper]

True

Im the best part

of this community

[wintry dew]

"talked shit"

[potent pivot]

?

[wintry dew]

#pvp message

Aka when we told him that being a nelf would actually make his gameplay harder

Now we are dumb for telling him not to reroll nelf at that point in time

I almost feel like we are the reason he couldn't climb up from 1000cr

[potent pivot]

[wintry dew]

[sick wasp]

[radiant glen]

wait i remember that guy and ill be honest

i didnt bother answering many of his questions bc i thought he was intentionally trolling

[wintry dew]

Yeah... It's time for paladins to feel his wrath now

[radiant glen]

i kinda feel bad if he was being serious bc i got super dismissive when he said 1kcr 3000 games or w/e

but then he wrote a guide and i dont feel bad anymore its just funny x)

[wintry dew]

It's hilarious xD

[karmic summit]

whats the highest non NE rating rn?

for sub

[wintry dew]

Check murlok.io

[vital socket]

At least 3 rating

Maybe 4

[grave basin]

What a wild ride reading all of that

Anyone knows how long the maintenance is today ?

[wintry dew]

I'm either sorry for you, in case it was a shit read, or happy for you, in case you enjoyed it

[surreal barn]

I’m scared to watch the video

[wintry dew]

Don't be, embrace it

[grave basin]

It was entertaining

He DID call the pala discord the most kind and helpful class discord

I guess we're on our villain arc

[outer sky]

getting flamed by this hunter for doing low dps in a SS lobby where the enemy team had an hpal and devoker

[wintry dew]

[surreal barn]

I’m glad he found god

And the light

[grave basin]

Stay in his containment board

I wonder what happens when the new ugly dwarf race becomes bis for hpal

Will be reroll

[surreal barn]

he will not lol

[wintry dew]

Reroll as in race change? Yes

Absolutely he will

[surreal barn]

Idk man he liked that elf/velf vibe

Maybe if a new race fucks a subset of elves to make elf hybrids

Maybe that’s what is gonna happen. I heard we are getting Delves

[grave basin]

He specifically said hes playing hpal cause he can be belf

[surreal barn]

Dwarf elves

[wintry dew]

I wonder if he understands that any race that can be rogue can be good enough if you're not going for 2.4/r1

[wintry dew]

(aka all of them but dracthyr for now)

[untold remnant]

Dracthyr rogue with Fangs of the Father

[narrow tangle]

lost connection during solo shuffle, do you lose matchmaking rating aswell?

[radiant glen]

u keep a fair bit of ur mmr and just lose flat rating

so ur next game even if u go 3-3 should be a decent CR gain, provided t hey havent changed it specifically in s4

i havent queued shuffle yet this ssn at all

[steel scarab]

You know what they say, rogues

The old proverb. "If you can, do. If you can't, teach."

Or in this case, "If you can't, make monetized YouTube videos from the information people fed you that you've proven incapable of personally emulating"

RIP Hyper

[wintry dew]

I laughed a lil too hard

Thanks James

[radiant glen]

i question if he can reheat food in the microwave with his inability to press buttons

[grave basin]

man another long maintenance WTF

that's twice i cant play

[wintry dew]

EU players:

[grave basin]

GD forums

[stoic spruce]

The amount of buttons a spec has shouldn't correlate to the amount of dmg it does lol

Like

What?

The only way it should is if it's self containing in its own spec

"But I'm working harder than X spec"

And?

Go play X spec if you want it easier

Idk why it's even a topic of discussion

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

[wintry dew]

👍

[stoic spruce]

Fight me

Your thumbs up means nothing

[grave basin]

i think it's more of if

if i play X spec, lets say mage

fire mage

and i choose all the "passive" options then should i do less theoretical damage than someone who chose all the active buttons

[stoic spruce]

Should you?

[grave basin]

then the answer is obviously yes

[wintry dew]

I'M AGREEING WITH YOU MORON

[stoic spruce]

Why

[stoic spruce]

I'll see you in the arena

[grave basin]

because then why would anyone chose the active version?

you have more room for error

so you should be rewarded for more dps

[wintry dew]

I can see your point

but

[grave basin]

that's called meaningful choice

[wintry dew]

BUT

BUUUT

[stoic spruce]

But

[grave basin]

it's like why would anyone play ring of power

if incanters flow did as much dps

??

like self owning yourself

[stoic spruce]

Okay so we both agree

[wintry dew]

it all depends on what the active ability does / how it interacts with the rest of the tree

[grave basin]

im talking in general

if someone literally picked zero actives

vs someone who picked every active

in the same spec/class

then no shit the latter HAS to do more damage

[wintry dew]

hmmm

[grave basin]

i mean design wise that has to be the case

[wintry dew]

not really but i can see what you mean in a general matter

[stoic spruce]

He's saying what I'm saying but with more words

[grave basin]

it's actually a design fail to create a cd that has so low impact it basically does as much as a spec passive

[wintry dew]

Unfortunately in the end its all about SIMS

And what works/ not works

example: i LOVE SBS

yet i can't play it

in PvE

[grave basin]

yea ofc, im just talking in generalities

[wintry dew]

i mean i can

But it isnt ideal

[stoic spruce]

Because outlaw can't play it

[wintry dew]

no spec plays it i believe

[stoic spruce]

Not playing outlaw isn't ideal, correct.

[wintry dew]

I'm a red boy before im a pink boy

[grave basin]

what does that even mean

[stoic spruce]

Something something ussy

[wintry dew]

"not playing outlaw isn't ideal, correct"

i'm an assassination player

assa = red

[stoic spruce]

Hell yeah

[stoic spruce]

Hell no

[wintry dew]

outlaw = yellow

[grave basin]

ah

ok you said pink boy

[wintry dew]

thats the tmog rank

i get to be pink

[stoic spruce]

He's actually a little baby boy

A tiny

Baby boy

[wintry dew]

with a beard

but you bet i am

[stoic spruce]

And milk

[grave basin]

and T3

[stoic spruce]

And a binky

[wintry dew]

altought not currently using it again

There's one set i end up using every now and then

an oldschool

[stoic spruce]

5 cookies, 3 sweet potatoes, and 1 melatonin gummy in and I'm still not eepy

[grave basin]

have you tried to do some deep breathing

[wintry dew]

my 2 rogues btw

[stoic spruce]

I'm heavily debating on what to say rn

[grave basin]

isn't that full set

not that i care

[wintry dew]

ulduar one? yes

[stoic spruce]

Full Set Franky

[wintry dew]

its my "guilty pleasure" kind of set

like t3

[stoic spruce]

Wood btw

[grave basin]

where's your remix rogue

[grave basin]

thicc

[wintry dew]

Panda is still way more cute than me

^ for alliance lovers

[stoic spruce]

Yuck

Kill them all

[grave basin]

mine is super basic i guess

[stoic spruce]

I'm still picking ass out of my boot from the last alliance player

[grave basin]

s3 red shoulder with s1 elite boots/glove/pants

[wintry dew]

elite s1 + heroic s2 is pretty alright

[grave basin]

oo NA up

[wintry dew]

Btw, this is what peak warrior looks like:

[stoic spruce]

No

[grave basin]

is that asmongold

[stoic spruce]

He looks like the type

Where

[wintry dew]

its my warr :c

in heroic warfront gear arathi

[stoic spruce]

I shove my foot so far up his ass, his last thought was "damn, that motherfucker actually did it."

[wintry dew]

Just like hyper

[stoic spruce]

I should farm Hyper

Does he play 3s

Or 2s

[wintry dew]

there was new funny content, no idea if you saw it early today

[stoic spruce]

I didnt

[grave basin]

is it worth using the offhand dagger for mastery

if i cant upgrade it fully yet

[wintry dew]

i'll link you there and put a TLDR:

• he complained in paladins discord that rogues (us) that told him that race changing to nelf wouldnt matter much / was minor are dumb and nelf is the only way to go

#pvp message

[grave basin]

@wintry dew what do you think

[wintry dew]

not that one

the other one, from igira

versa + mastery probably

amidrassil raid

[grave basin]

this is heavy verse though

wtf is that onuse effect?

[wintry dew]

a big 0 for pvp

[grave basin]

@surreal barn which one do i get you think

[wintry dew]

I know it gets to a point you dont want vers anymore and mastery > versa

so probably the dagger you pointed out might be a good choice

[surreal barn]

For offhand or mh

[grave basin]

offhand

[surreal barn]

For OH I like fang of the sundered flame

[grave basin]

ok

im gonna get so JUICED this week

replacing conquest ring for signet and conquest offhand for that fang

[stoic spruce]

Lmaooo

Is he still here?

Guess not

Lucky ass

[wanton breach]

that dagger is a solid choice

[surreal barn]

Apparently going balls to the wall mastery isn’t the play but getting mastery until it’s lowered you to around 32 vers is what I see most people doing

[wanton breach]

I'm at 98% mastery and 38% vers - halp

[surreal barn]

@summer breach has a decent amount of haste too

[wintry dew]

yeah....

[stoic spruce]

I wish he was here

He needs to know that I think he's a dumbass

[wintry dew]

xDDD

[surreal barn]

Honestly that should be enough lol

One of my rogues is at 100 without BSL but that’s cause he has both engineering crafteds

[potent pivot]

[steel scarab]

I'm at 105% mastery with 2x BSL and 30% versatility

[wintry dew]

I'm at the gym

[steel scarab]

I'm at work 😩

[wintry dew]

Skill issue

[wanton breach]

that's a bit overkill xD

[surreal barn]

But so fun lol

[grave basin]

i equiped my offhand

my rupture lost 2k topend from the tooltip

kek

BUT my kingsbane went up

feelsweirdman

beta is going down btw, new build?

[stiff mesa]

does it matter what quality tier thing you actually use for enchants, gems etc

[wintry dew]

gems yes

enchants yes

embelishments "no"

rank3 is the max rank for those

[jolly sierra]

1 step away from leaving remix

just need the toys now, ive bought EVERYTHING

[wintry dew]

Fucking chad

[jolly sierra]

4 toys

just 4

[potent pivot]

give plz

[outer sky]

2400 acquired

[steel scarab]

Outstanding work

[jolly sierra]

hope so

[wintry dew]

We love to see our brothers winning. Let's go my dood, extremely proud

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-yes-boss-military-salute-giving-honor-rip-gif-23161689

[potent pivot]

gratz

[wintry dew]

How have you been doing trickz

[potent pivot]

all good i suppose

lil sleep deprived

hbu

[wanton breach]

gz!

[wintry dew]

Work messing with your schedules?

I'm doing great really, can't complain

[potent pivot]

nah my sleep schedule has been non existent since i was a kid

insomnia etc

[wintry dew]

How can you actually deal with that??
Once I hit the bed I

[potent pivot]

there's no real way to combat it

[wintry dew]

Rip my friend :/

[potent pivot]

a lot of the time i'm 36hrs awake -> 14hrs asleep -> 12hrs awake -> 8hrs asleep -> 30hrs awake -> 12hrs asleep

it's always a wild ride

[jolly sierra]

got them all already

now time to wait till they decide to bring wep arsenals

[wintry dew]

Can you at least make your time worth it while you're awake for so long or you're just so tired it fucks up your day?

[wintry dew]

Hopefully soon

[potent pivot]

usually yeah, i can typically work fine after getting 0 sleep

but i'll crash out after work

[wintry dew]

What do you do btw?

[potent pivot]

mechanic type stuff

[wintry dew]

Isn't that far off from what I do (kinda)

[potent pivot]

mechanic/welding/operating machinery etcetc

[wintry dew]

Bro almost same

[potent pivot]

[wintry dew]

I'm a machine operator and I'm supposed to get welding "classes" somewhere this/next year

[potent pivot]

it's a good skill to have

[wintry dew]

My job builds heavy machinery related to wood work

I'm a oxicut/plasma machine operator

[potent pivot]

noice we were talking about getting a plasma cutter to manufacture our own small parts

well not a plasma cutter

plasma table?

[wintry dew]

Yeah a small one?

Mine is 6000/2500

[potent pivot]

that or a water jet cutting table

[wintry dew]

Water 1000x better

Less dirty

Cleaner cuts

[potent pivot]

gotta cut tank grade steel

[wintry dew]

Max ive cut is 150mm

[potent pivot]

sheesh

most of our stuff is like 1/2" thick max

[wintry dew]

That's like... 30mm max? Idk what 1/2" stands for. Is that American measurements?

[gleaming pawn]

Freedom Units you heathen!

12.7mm

The “ means inches

[wintry dew]

Idk what a inch is, or how much it represents

I can only talk in mm,cm,m,km

[gleaming pawn]

Damnit Royal

1 inch = 25.4mm

[wintry dew]

Oooooh

Thank you sensei

You're the best

140mm = 5.5 inches then?

[gleaming pawn]

Yep

Little bit of rounding, but close enough

[wintry dew]

Hero talents changes

[gleaming pawn]

Beeeeeg Rogue changes, haven’t read them all yet but big Hype

[wintry dew]

#tww-assassination

We on the same page

[gleaming pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/arms-crossed-flex-muscles-gif-14905270

[wintry dew]

@jolly sierra

[jolly sierra]

lets see

so, what is the change?

lol

[gleaming pawn]

They ironed out some of the non-functionality of the entire tree

Gave us huge execute

God damn the execute is going to be soooo good

[wintry dew]

Execute = arms execute

Apply stacks above 20%, stacks proc once target goes below 20%

Here you go bros

[gleaming pawn]

Depending on the plague damage per stack, once you hit 35% it’s going to be a quick death

Zold > Fatal Intent > Sudden Demise

[wintry dew]

Assassination finally assassinating

[gleaming pawn]

You love to see it

[wintry dew]

I love assassination man, I hope deathstalker is good enough for me to just play it all expansion

[jolly sierra]

holy shit

assa will be a killing machine now

an auto killing machine

[wintry dew]

Let's hope they keep cooking good changes my friends

[gleaming pawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/pvp-honor-and-crafted-gearing-updates-in-the-war-within-343540

[wintry dew]

You were 10 secs faster than me

Hehehe

[gleaming pawn]

lol

[wintry dew]

Okay changes

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah nothing offensive there

[jolly sierra]

looks mild

[south leaf]

I was pinged...what did I miss

Also hi @wintry dew, been a while. Hope you're doing well

[potent pivot]

let's leave the guy be

[jolly sierra]

xd

[wintry dew]

Hi friend, I'm doing well, hoping you're doing amazing as well

[south leaf]

[steel scarab]

Not really PvP related, but hit KSM tonight!

[jolly sierra]

congratz dude

we dont do talk fully about pvp here anyways lol

[fresh jacinth]

Is 250k kb crit about par the course

[steel scarab]

Not horrible. Was your target below 35%?

[fresh jacinth]

No

Oh ya, theres bonus execute damage on those targets

[harsh kiln]

hard to talk about something that haven't seen changes in a while;)

[jolly sierra]

anyways

[wintry dew]

Then that Royal guy also comes here and talks about everything but pvp that fucker

[wanton breach]

classic royal guy

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-god-funny-the-office-trying-not-to-laugh-jim-the-office-gif-26533338

[grave basin]

Any1 on the beta tested the improved deathstalker

How does it feel ?

[stoic spruce]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/transmog-ui-updates-for-the-war-within-ability-to-filter-for-any-class-343549?webhook dude TWW will be so good

no crackshot, huge account wide stuff, Trnasmog updates

im feasting

[wanton breach]

i like shooting crack 😦

[stoic spruce]

also

shoutout to sepsis dawg

cool ability that just didnt fit into outlaw

such a shame

[wanton breach]

[sick wasp]

jsut a lil bit its very very good

its another tree compared to the previous abomination

much better

now rogue needs some tuning and deathstalker looks prime

fatebound also cool btw

[twin burrow]

honestly ill take shadow dance over fatal intent.. we already drop people that are low 😦

still wondering how we arent with torches and pitchforks about getting shadowdance for 1 expansion then it being stripped..

[sick wasp]

shadow dance was a stupendous amount of power for any rogue specc

it enabled outlaw in arena

cc teams alone

that shouldnt be allowed

dance should only be a sub thing

its the iconic spell that makes sub what it is

deadly at any given time

also sub deathstalker

[twin burrow]

i agree. they just shouldnt have given it to other specs to begin with.. its annoying because its such a core spell that allows us to actually set up for our go's and make the most out of our garrote modifiers

also dont like enjoying something just to think "man this is fun, really hope they dont completely gut the spec and playstyle"

peeps were playing law in slands too tho iirc.. idk.. i do think dance is extremely strong but i just dont think you can give and take in one expansion.. pretty drastic

i prefer sub but it seems they rather have law/assa strong because people dont like burst.. people dont like dying in a dance they rather be at 50% the entire game from assa or death from a thousand cuts via ~~fury warr ~~AHEM *outlaw rogue

[broken otter]

RIP Spectral Guise (Priest) WoD - WoD

[surreal barn]

You get rid of dance altogether and all of a sudden you’re going to see shadowstrike hitting like a truck again

I am certainly for removing it lol

[twin burrow]

make cheap shot not require stealth, problem solved

reduce its duration, idk

also i dont agree 'without a trace' is worth it to be a capstone talent..

i predict that capstone will change before any other capstone on the tree. I also think we will see the garrote changes before release since the stealth modifiers are clunky now

[surreal barn]

You thought meld was valuable before lol

The free 6 second subterfuge will make it even better

[gleaming pawn]

Double vanish is going to be so toxic. I can’t see it actually being good for overall PvP . Like it will obviously enable us and be good for us, but the wider scope of PvP in general is going to suffer from every Rogue having double vanish and at best it’s going to lead to more Rogue nerfs

[chrome schooner]

well it's kind of like now with dance, only it has 2min cd

(not for outlaw though)

[surreal barn]

But with meld…

Boom baby

Friday I might make another NE since you can legit level one in 2 hrs now

[twin burrow]

yeah its best to look at it as a psuedo dance.. and i guess since we get sanguine stratagem in the assa tree. we can afford to not run deeper stratagem

ah and with law cdr i see

well i think you guys cured my dooming. lets go

[chilly haven]

How is Rogue PvP in TWW actually performing?

[wintry dew]

numbers arent final

deathstalker fixes from yesterday did a good job

[steel scarab]

What is plague damage? Nature damage? Oh, nature shadow

I think I asked this already, and remembered the answer halfway through typing

[gleaming pawn]

Nature and shadow

[steel scarab]

Pretty neat

[gleaming pawn]

The execute hero talent doesn’t interact with anything currently unfortunately, so the plague damage it will do during Fatal Intent is static around 29k per stack right now

Which is practically nothing with the health pools in TWW so we’ll have to see if it gets buffed during tuning

[wintry dew]

especially for sub, it is shit

since sub plays around burst - desingage - burst

no way it applies enough stacks to matter

[gleaming pawn]

@wintry dew do you recall if it’s all plague damage that is whitelisted and not amped by anything like shiv/mastery/etc. or is it just the Fatal Intent damage

[steel scarab]

Seems not great

[wintry dew]

AFAIK just fatal intent

the rest SHOULD be amped by mastery

but let me ask the boys in TWW real quick

[stoic spruce]

And girls

Royal

Jeez

[steel scarab]

Girls don't play wow

Except my fiance

Who is a unicorn

[wintry dew]

my GF is also a unicorn

but she plays hunter

[steel scarab]

Nice

[narrow tangle]

thank you

[wintry dew]

#tww-assassination message

[gleaming pawn]

Thank you, that’s what I thought I remembered but discord mobile searching was letting me down

[surreal barn]

They got rid of chakram for hunt

Aimed and rapid about to get buffed again lol

It’s funny cause they said it was telegraphed setup and promoted button bloat

Nothing like assa having to apply blackjack, ruptures, shiv, tea, dance

I guess we won’t have to dance

[jolly sierra]

weird

plague damage should be considered for mastery as assa

it still has nature xddd

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah who knows at this point, I can see it not getting amped at all so that it does the same damage for both Sin and Sub

Which would suck ass, but I can easily see Blizzard balancing that way

[jolly sierra]

well rupture is already unfair damage wise between both specs

lol

[wintry dew]

and it is

[wintry dew]

sub rupture is almost better than assa

[tiny ore]

which poisons you guys use as assassin and do you run 4 or 2 set? 😄

#sendhelppls

[stoic spruce]

2 set

[tiny ore]

thanks, why are guides suggesting engi helm over life-bound?

engi has only 1 stat when life bound has 2

also what about poisons? 😄

[broken otter]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-war-within-beta-development-notes-for-june-26th-rogue-and-shaman-hotfixes-343636?webhook

Pretty big number buffs

[gleaming pawn]

Just lmao

If you have to re-add some massive aura buffs to specs the day after resetting said specs, maybe just possibly there’s core problems with those specs and the base damage calculations

[jolly sierra]

is better imo

the fkn shadow dmg

[wintry dew]

Exactly

[steel scarab]

@gleaming pawn Lol

Flat buffs are definitely the laziest way to balance a class

If the hero trees are so unimpactful that we need these kind of buffs, Jesus Christ

[jolly sierra]

flat buffs are the laziest bust also the most effective

[steel scarab]

At least they're addressing it with buffs though instead of ignoring us

[jolly sierra]

so u dont whine saying "dEAd spEC lUl"

[wintry dew]

They removed all of the aura buffs we had from DF

That's why we got more rebalancing back

[jolly sierra]

so they are removing the patches

[wintry dew]

Pretty much

[jolly sierra]

not bad

[wintry dew]

I believe it was on whispyr video yesterday

[gleaming pawn]

They tend to reset class aura buffs before the start of every expansion

[wintry dew]

He went thru that

Oh right watch his video boys

He chugged a monster

LOL

[gleaming pawn]

But reapplying such large buffs is just kicking the can down the road instead of fixing the fucking problems. It’s annoying and shotty work

[jolly sierra]

i will pass for now after reading his review bout deathstalker in wowhead

xd

[wintry dew]

From when?

[gleaming pawn]

https://youtu.be/h8Dhhb6Sw18?feature=shared

[steel scarab]

Is that Whispyr

[wintry dew]

Yeah

[steel scarab]

@lapis steeple I know you're younger than me but don't chug those things dude, they seriously damage the cardiac tissue of your heart

[wintry dew]

LOL

[steel scarab]

They're OK in light moderation

[wintry dew]

Whispyr tagged in the pvp channel is a new era in this server xD

[gleaming pawn]

Yep this will be fun

[steel scarab]

I am just a concerned citizen

And also he helped fix my Weakauras at one point

Looking out for rogue brethren is what we do

[wintry dew]

He was happy

Really happy

[steel scarab]

Everyone despises us so we have to stick together

[jolly sierra]

the 1st one

[wintry dew]

It is old news

[lapis steeple]

my heart is a muscle, train until failure

but thank you yes

[steel scarab]

I love them, but I stopped drinking them when I began to develop cardiac arrhythmias

[broken otter]

I used to mix them with meth when I was a junkie. I've been sober for years, now, but I get chest pains all the time.

[steel scarab]

Probably in 25-50 years, caffeinated drinks will be regulated and come with age restrictions and warning labels like cigarettes do now

It's absolutely crazy seeing adults in the Starbucks buying their kids espresso Frappuccinos. Like, we wonder about the increased incidence of ADD, ADHD, and other cognitive issues among the young generation and then we do things as idiotic as give developing brains Meth Light

[broken otter]

For real. When I couldn't score meth, I went to the ADHD meds. Was basically the same high.

[steel scarab]

Yup. Methamphetamines are precursors of the active ingredient in ADHD meds

[tiny ore]

can someone explain me the difference inbetween engi head and life-bond head?

[broken otter]

My understanding is, and this is from a junkie perspective, - not a chemist, - that:
Meth dumps your seratonin and dopamine
Adderall just does dopamine

[steel scarab]

Engi head = more mastery
Life bound = half mastery, half versatility. Less damage, more defensive stats, and you can add an embellishment to it, you cant to the engineering helm. That's it

[broken otter]

The adderall "hangover" was much easier to manage for that reason

[fallen scaffold]

Lol no, meth doesn't effect serotonin

They work literally the same way

[steel scarab]

Yeah I thought they were almost the same

[broken otter]

Well, again, I was a junkie, not medically trained.

[steel scarab]

But idk

Glad you've recovered!

[fallen scaffold]

So was i, but I also had an internet connection in my room since i was like 5

[broken otter]

ty <3

[fallen scaffold]

Made damn sure to know what i was putting in my body, not that it helped me not become a junkie or anything lmao

[broken otter]

I did everything under the sun

At one point I was huffing butane

[tiny ore]

so engi is little bit better, I guess I will dump my lw to learn it, I dont use it for anything anyway 😄

[fallen scaffold]

That's just dumb

[broken otter]

Yeah

You tend not to care when you're in a near state of constant suicidality

[steel scarab]

@tiny ore yes and no, either is good, you can definitely succeed with either one

[broken otter]

but again, I've been clean for a long while now

Fixed my shit

[fallen scaffold]

I get that trust me. I just shot dope like an adult though kekw

[broken otter]

haha

[steel scarab]

@tiny ore put it this way

You'll be better off playing more games and learning in the time you're gonna spend rerolling engineering

[twin burrow]

i thought they would increase the damage to make up for no stealth modifier.. but sheesh thats alot lol

[fallen scaffold]

Only need engi lvl 1... I think the head and bracers (atleast 1 of them) is a fat mastery boost and well worth it

[tiny ore]

thanks for all info dude ❤️ for life-bound to go mastery-vers and which embellishment?

[fallen scaffold]

Bsl

[steel scarab]

Mastery vers, and blue silken

Boots should generally be the interrupt +agility proc, I use two BSL but that's a lot more risk/reward

I do think generally agi proc + 1 BSL is superior

[tiny ore]

sorry, got one more 😄 what would you rather make, life bond head or boots, I have only one trophy atm so I can chose only one for now

I mean infurious boots or life bond head

[steel scarab]

Infurious boots first

[fallen scaffold]

Got dayum I love those random fatty Kingsbane 380k+ crits that end the game lmao

[grave basin]

I got a 498k yestd

Almost coomed on my chair

[plucky escarp]

What’s the way to max your kingsbane?

[jolly sierra]

doing it at low HP + tea + shadow dance + shiv

• on use trinket

[gleaming pawn]

100% all-in:

1. make sure your garrote and rupture are up, Slice and Dice, and Envenom
2. Deathmark > Shiv
3. Shadowdance > Badge Trinket > Kingsbane
4. build to 4+ cp and pump envenoms, repeat
5. less than 8sec on Kingsbane > Shiv
6. less than 6sec on Kingsbane > Thisle Tea
7. less than 3sec on Kingsbane > Vanish

It’s not realistic in pvp, but take what you can from that and you’ll juice your Kingsbane as much as possible

[outer sky]

I'm playing my survival hunter that ive only had at level 70 for like a day and I absolutely suck on and I just beat a 2200 assa/hpriest team effortlessly. Mending bandage is way too much of a counter into assa and feral

you just press it on CD and make sure you have trinket for bomb and you literally cant lose

they didnt even get my turtle

[calm heath]

@plucky escarp Shiv + Kingsbane on target sub 35% and during Shadow Dance or Vanish Master Assassin windows if possible. You don't neccesarrily need to kill the target if you have some solid bleeds on it for a sudden demise procs. I have personally done 500K KB crits and seen 550K on the highest end

tea can help but the boost isn't all that much at the end of the day

[jolly sierra]

tea raises mastery by like 13%, its still a big deal

[calm heath]

it helps but I've found it's far more valuable when you actually need energy. If you have some charges to blow then go for it but most rogues at the high end are at like 80%+ mastery in PVP anyway

[jolly sierra]

yeah, i dont like to waste teas too

[calm heath]

Ass is also mostly about just about being a bleed + MS tornado though the KB execute windows are super valuable

[calm heath]

@outer sky Mending Bandage is super powerful against ass and feral but if you are using it on CD on not on their CDs like deathmark, you will get punished for that at higher MMRs

[outer sky]

Oh yeah I always make sure I have it for death mark. But it's only a 25 second CD so it's not really hard to have it up when you need it

[red pebble]

Does anyone use zoom hack(console script for increasing zoom range) in arenas?