pvp

[jolly sierra]

if u catch a rdrood in a switch with full health maybe he wont have hots over him so he can be killed in a go without trinket

that was a common tact to play as ret

[sick wasp]

also true

[steel scarab]

Maybe I need a macro I can mash that's like, /yell KILL THE HEALER

[surreal barn]

It’s pretty easy to see that a healer has used all their CDs too though

Or at the start you can be like, go monk after cocoon

[mellow pecan]

Upgrading pvp gear gives me no gains right? (for pvp obv.)

just buy conquest gear and let it sit?

[tribal badger]

ye only for pve

[gusty hedge]

you randomly getting thrown out of stealth too ?

[gleaming pawn]

I haven’t actually tried it, but do pings not work in SS? You could just ping the attack ping, mention it before the match starts to watch for the ping for swap

[steel scarab]

Pings definitely work, I've had teammates do it

Also the "warning" sound

But I don't know how they're doing it

Probably found in keybinds

[gleaming pawn]

There’s a hot button to bring up the radial, “G” by default

And it pings the last used if you just quick hit G

Also you can macro specific pings into abilities

[steel scarab]

@surreal barn I can tell when a paladin used divine shield and BOP, but honestly I have no idea what cooldowns the other healers have

[halcyon timber]

Breaks to lots of stuff due to how those attacks are. Malific rapture as an example will tap anything within that proximity. Same goes for paladin divine toll. It will find you and break stealth (just 2 examples of many)

[steel scarab]

To be honest it's actually a miracle I got above 2300, I feel like I know absolutely nothing about this game lol

@gleaming pawn Ah, I have G bound to Cloak of Shadows

[halcyon timber]

Emerald communion is a big one for evokers (doesn’t put them in combat so they can be sapped if not tapped) when it ends as it shifts them to another plane pretty much

Reversion / rewind charges etc

Just watching them a lot trying to create opportunities

[steel scarab]

Since I don't use Gladius and have no way of knowing which defensives they have left unless I very obviously saw them use one, I pretty much play by feel

[halcyon timber]

“Fistweaving” is tricky as if you use evasion and the monk has his keyboard plugged in, they will jsut hit the other target to heal instead

[steel scarab]

Which is obviously incredibly suboptimal

[halcyon timber]

I don’t use any of that, i just make custom nameplates to see when something is up vs down

And memorize timings kinda and i read a lot

[steel scarab]

I do have something that tells me if an important ability was used, I think it's BigDebuffs

[halcyon timber]

Right on that’s solid

[steel scarab]

Like if a rogue uses Cloak, it puts a big icon of Cloak next to them

[halcyon timber]

Monk is really just revival / restoral / cocoon / fist or mist weave changes other stuff

Priests aren’t hard , its just looking for times to swap as well

Yeah that’s slick i just made elv do what i want with a giant list of crap

White listed vs blacklisted

[steel scarab]

Holy has the angel mode, but they seem to usually use that at the beginning of the match (which seems incredibly dumb to me)

[halcyon timber]

Drop a smokebomb on holy

And they have to cancel their shit or someone dies

[steel scarab]

That has won me a couple games, though yeah they usually just cancel it then toss a heal

[halcyon timber]

Then get rdy to sap depending on timing

Same on warlock gates

[surreal barn]

you can actually make a WA that tells you when a healer has exhausted everything lol

[outer sky]

its a 2m CD. using it early ofen gives them a 2nd one

[halcyon timber]

Fuck all that dependency

[steel scarab]

@surreal barn that sounds both amazing and like cheating, lol

@outer sky you could say the same thing about Cloak of Shadows though, and using that early is a death sentence

[outer sky]

not really. It's often better to just send cloak on big CDs early

[halcyon timber]

Yeah lots of it depends

[steel scarab]

Oh, one thing I noticed that gained me about 100 overall rating

I was consistently Cloaking when low, then vanishing safely. This is a mistake

Now I Cloak when low and let my healer save me

I don't need to use both

[outer sky]

Dont cloak low

you want to react to the situation not to the damage. If your healer is CCd or doesnt have a CD and the other team is using CDs just cloak high

[surreal barn]

I have developed an “I’m fucked” sense

[halcyon timber]

Dunno there are a lot of healers that think using shit like rapture when you are low is enough

[surreal barn]

And instinctively cloak

[steel scarab]

It would be super helpful if I had a way to see if my healer is cc'ed

[halcyon timber]

Yeahhhh

Fuckin definitely xD

[steel scarab]

Without visually seeing them on my screen

[halcyon timber]

X or die

[outer sky]

see if you cloak high then when cloak ends your healer can keep you up without having to use a major cooldown. If you cloak low the other team is likely to get your cloak and a healer CD

or at least a lot of mana

[surreal barn]

I actually do use a WA for that

[halcyon timber]

“Ope, healer is an R word, gotta vanish instead”

[surreal barn]

https://wago.io/Dl9GhMDxH

[halcyon timber]

That’s like fishing with crank bait vs live worms

Good link though

Prefer to just trust instincts and watch people

[steel scarab]

That seems like cheating, but fuck it, I will try this

[halcyon timber]

Ill follow warlocks around and shit to see what abilities break us out from 100 yards (no joke)

And recognize that shit then remember it in arena

But yeh smokebombing warlock gates so they cant use them is another good trick since the beginning of time

[steel scarab]

@outer sky cloaking high is useful but in a lot of cases I don't know with certainty when incoming damage will be huge. Like. Here's an example. When I'm against a fury warrior and I hear that horrible thumping sound as they're beating on me, I know to disarm them

Because that has killed me enough times that I've learned from it

[halcyon timber]

Their frenzy and avatar etc?

Or you mean rampage?

[steel scarab]

When ret has wings, disarm or disable them. I've seen enough people say it's not worth using disarm vs. ret but I used to use it

[halcyon timber]

Ill do it to prevent them from spending

[steel scarab]

I genuinely have no idea what it is, Eridian. Just a frenzied attack that does a lot of damage

[halcyon timber]

Holy strike is on a lot of their shit now which requires a wep finally

Yeah sounds like rampage and their tier set harmonizing

Ape doing ape stuff per usual

[steel scarab]

Maybe, it does crazy output and definitely kills me if I don't cc them or disarm

[halcyon timber]

Usually try least expensive to most no matter what in regards of cds

Kiting and making them blow charges

While stepping to team mates

[steel scarab]

Aye, I generally use the disarm so I can offensively stun

[wanton breach]

disarming rets has higher value once they've built up stacks, so maybe not during the first 5-6s of wings but rather later

[halcyon timber]

Yeah solid approach

[steel scarab]

Stepping to teammates or a far away opponent helps

[halcyon timber]

If no dots, def gouge a ret first

[steel scarab]

I always have dots though 😦 sometimes I don't put them on the healer

[halcyon timber]

Usually some broccoli head breaks stuff though so have to adapt quickly

[steel scarab]

I generally only gouge healers

I think it's a little dif as assassination, dots everywhere

@wanton breach Huh, I didn't realize rets built stacks to do damage

[halcyon timber]

Yeah agreed, rupture is important for both of us but obv more ao you guys yeah

Yeah rets divine arbiter and stuff

[wanton breach]

if they are playing 2 minute wings, they build up to 10 stacks to gain 3% haste and 3% damage on top of the other stuff

[steel scarab]

That's a crazy talent

I think I do the absolute worst against Frost Mages

I hate them on my team and I hate fighting them

I was so good at fighting them in vanilla and classic, and I'm pretty decent at fighting fire and Arcane in Dragonflight, but frost I just have no idea how to fight them

I never know when I'm in danger and then I'm just suddenly fucking dead

Probably doesn't help that I'm a human and don't wear a real trinket

The one thing I've learned after losing to frost a bunch is, don't stand in that frost ring, that seems like guaranteed death

[outer sky]

thats an experience thing though

[steel scarab]

True

[outer sky]

problem with rogue is you can easily die outside of enemy CDs if you stay in the fight. Thats by far the biggest gripe I have about the class. Our defensives are actually kind of shit. One of them does nothing against melee the other does nothing against casters and both on 2m CDs outside of which we die to air

[steel scarab]

Elusiveness should absolutely be baseline

That would help tremendously

I stopped using Elusiveness and started using Cheat Death to help cover me in cases where I legit didn't know I was in danger

But Elusiveness feels much better than Cheat Death

[outer sky]

tbh even with feint + elusiveness I still feel like I die to air on my rogue. I cant make sense out of it. I also play WW monk which is another leather class and also pretty squishy but for some reason my monk takes less damage than my rogue even without a defensive up and I have no idea why theyre both 528 ilvl

[steel scarab]

Especially in the cases where I die through Cheat Death lol

[outer sky]

if anything rogue should be tankier because rogues take 5% reduced phys dam

[outer sky]

cheat death only ever works for the rogue on the enemy team. Never for you.

[steel scarab]

Dude, I have played in arena with 50% resilience

Just to test it

It did nothing

You still die in any stun

The game is balanced in such a weird way atm

[outer sky]

well the leaderboards certainly suggest that rogues do not need any buffs

assass is like the #1 highest rated spec right now in the game

I stand corrected, theres a DK and DH slightly higher than the highest rogue

but theyre all over the top leaderboards

[steel scarab]

I'm not really advocating buffs, just, people need to understand that the geniuses playing assassination at the top echelon of play who do everything perfectly and make no mistakes does not translate well to average players, who may have a much shittier experience with the spec

[halcyon timber]

Also playing with other solid team mates

[steel scarab]

I've had a lot of people in SS say things to me like "wow assassination is so OP" and I'm like "dude, try then spec and get back to me on that" lol

[outer sky]

lol the top 3 rogues in NA are all Nessper's toons

[steel scarab]

Like yes Kingsbane just crit for 400k, that seems awesome. However. It only did that because my ten spinning plates lined up correctly

And the opponent was at 10% so it doesn't matter that it did that much

[outer sky]

the real strength of assass is being able to rot the whole team while spamming CC so the healer gets behind

[steel scarab]

And it only did that much because they were below 35%

Right. Where I find this doesn't work though is if you have two ranged opponents.

[outer sky]

yeah I struggle with that too

[steel scarab]

Like Affliction + marksman

What the fuck do you do against affliction marksman? Basically you just hope to kill the marksman in one go

[surreal barn]

I’d never be able to drop elusiveness

[steel scarab]

Because you won't get a second chance

Or destruction marksman

[surreal barn]

Either can die, personally I’d kill MM

[steel scarab]

I would absolutely go MM

Just

[outer sky]

the issue is them dying before you do

[steel scarab]

You only get one shot and then if it fails you die

[surreal barn]

But if like I had a Paladin on my team

I’d go on whoever he could hit

Or he’s just gonna get murdered by both

[steel scarab]

Well that's the other deficiency of SS, I start most matches with, "hi I think we should kill x, sound good?"

Healer: sounds good

Dps:

[halcyon timber]

Wait till hunters aint gotta kite in TWW. 2 walls and roar is going to be a pain and pair that with any hunter who was good at kiting before.

[surreal barn]

It ain’t like that tbh

[halcyon timber]

Yeah lots of meat wads running around especially in preparation for blitz becoming ranked. They just ape it in the middle.

[surreal barn]

They still die it’s just going to be harder

I mean it will now be worth it for them to just turret you if you are outta cds

[halcyon timber]

Much more difficult when some hunter is also good at kiting and keeping distance

Yeah they will plant and whoop on a mf

At least it isn’t deterrence coming back

[surreal barn]

I fully expect MM to get RoS without a pet before launch

[halcyon timber]

Oh for sure now that aoe intim is a thing

Belly aching mfs

[twin burrow]

SS is not even fun anymore tbh.. its just a shit show.. i honestly think blitz is a better representation of skill because you can actually have a strategy and impact the outcome.. shuffle just feels like an entropy simulation

[halcyon timber]

Its ape classes not being responsible or responsive

It favors them being careless

I was in a blitz last night, blind a healer to bomb into a sap while whooping fc

[surreal barn]

Blitz is gonna be so rigged

[twin burrow]

not enough people play rogue or play with rogue and the amount of micro stuns that literally ruin my entire strat is just not fun.. like 4 secodns left on DR, i just set up CC on healer, i just poped blades, oh, lock shadowfuries the KT for literally 1.5 seconds and now i lose my blades and dance and mind

[surreal barn]

lol

[halcyon timber]

Ret just runs in like stallone in demolition man and yells and ape hits everything breaking the blind and losing the match

Peel for multiple healers

Healers not using anything: No oNE iS hElPinG uS

[surreal barn]

They need to make it so if someone afks in blitz the whole thing just gets shut down

[twin burrow]

easy fix: premier pvp servers

10 dollar additional sub fee

access to these servers

[halcyon timber]

F that people will do the same

[surreal barn]

[halcyon timber]

Don’t want to flap around the same city

People want to piss around , they will do it anyway

[twin burrow]

people want to pve

in pvp

[halcyon timber]

That’s like attaching an HOA to a neighborhood and because someone got a hall monitor badge they think they are cool

That’s a problem problem

People have to be better

[surreal barn]

That’s exactly how an hoa is formed

[halcyon timber]

The forum terrorist propaganda posts have to stop as well

Fire mage : im dOinG thE moSt dmG anD im In gREEns . Well team is still losing because they aren’t fighting as a team. Get outta here w that loser energy

[surreal barn]

Hilarious thing happened a couple days ago - fire mage was pumping killing our entire team perfect polys PERFECTLY silencing everything. I was to scared to even cast had to blow turtle early didn’t even get off a rapid fire

My warrior gets the mage to 50% I use rapid fire once and we win

[jolly sierra]

he never expected a reply it seems

[halcyon timber]

New bm hunter stuff looks wild

Hunters seem pretty dang happy

[spring bough]

Definitely going to main BM in TWW

Pet dots are amazing

[surreal barn]

Arcane seems the most busted

That I’ve seen out of everything

[halcyon timber]

Looked pretty sick honestly.

Arcane / warlocks def slam

Warrior self healing is pretty dang filthy too

[surreal barn]

Everything has self healing now 😂

[spring bough]

Hunters with double survival of the fittest

That would save me so many times right now 😆

That’s definitely going to get the nerf stick after launch lol

[surreal barn]

Doubt it

It’s technically already nerfed

By 10%

[halcyon timber]

Dunno honestly why other than return it to 40% in pvp no?

On live it was improved to 50% like 2 patches ago right?

I dunno if trap DR stacks “technically” either concerning them.

[spring bough]

Yeah but now it’s a minute cooldown with two charges and right now it’s a 3 minute cooldown?

Sounds like we gonna be tanky all the time lol

[halcyon timber]

Like 10% trap + SOTF for 50% = 60%?

Then tack on CC DR gem for 15% (unsure how that is fitting in and hopefully tooltip clarification or something is addressed) or just good ol fashioned test it a lot.

BM got some super chomper functions for their pets now right?

Read something like basilisk collar and other cool toys

[vague latch]

hey any resources on getting into pvp for season 4? like class matchups and stuff??

[potent pivot]

you can check out iceyveins pvp guide, i believe he listed some comps that are good for each spec

murlok.io for gear/talents as well

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pvp-best-arena-compositions yeah he has some comps listed that should be ok

don't feel like those are your only options though, you can do decently playing a lot of different comps

[spring bough]

Yeah more dots means more per dmg and then that stacks

[vague latch]

also uh, manic grieftorch or pvp burst trinekt?

just gonna farm honor and stuff :y

i know the season's about to end, but yeah https://raider.io/characters/us/akama/Dealosed

[potent pivot]

you can buy green pvp gear off the AH

[jolly sierra]

never use pve trinkets

cuz u will get a very big bonus in both damage and endurace if u are using only pvp

[vague latch]

it's better gear than the honor vendors, there's set bonuses or something?

[potent pivot]

no the honor gear is better

you can farm honor in your pve gear or buy the green pvp gear

won't matter very much if you're just doing bg's for honor etc

[vague latch]

i have hero and myth stuff mostly but the green gear is gonna scale better? i know it's just battlegrounds but just wondering

or it's just the trinkets with the two bonus?

[potent pivot]

i'm not sure you'd have to look at the pvp ilvl on the green gear on the AH and compare it to your gear

but yes 2 pvp trinkets have a set bonus

[vague latch]

thanks

[boreal briar]

I was going to point that out. The top three rogues are all Nesspers alts. There is a pretty decent representation of classes at the top, though it should change a bit when people start pushing towards the end of the season.

[twin burrow]

im trying to see if im reading misinformation. does the current 4 set for sub boost your shadow evis and rupture from the 2 set bonus right? im seeing someone say it affects the shadow clone summoned from secret technique also..

[chrome schooner]

Comps that can actually keep up with his mobility (like DH Boomy or Hunter DK) should kill him. Otherwise try to play close-ish so he can't freecast 55y away, but focus in killing the Rogue because if your comp can't really reach the Mage consistently, chasing him will cause you to slowly die

[halcyon timber]

It affects the shadow aspects (shadow damage by 10%) and grants 1 cb pt (pvp). So yes you're correct, it is a small bump as the set bonus accounts for trading out for mastery. More of a “trade” . Still adds a decent chunk just nothing crazy as it was appropriately tuned.

[neat dove]

i might be schizo but i get the feeling its everytime i go into a 30y radius of druids

[neat dove]

funniest is the shaman ladder, like 23 out of top 25 are the same person

[tough spruce]

Much appreciated advice thanks

[steel scarab]

@chrome schooner Shade, am I right in SS to chase Arcane and Fire, but to not chase the frost? I've found I've had a tad more success not focusing frost in SS

(But I never do particularly well against frost so I really don't know)

[surreal barn]

Someone is about to up their internet speed from 20 down this Wednesday

[chrome schooner]

Idk it always depends on the map & on your team, with a WW or DK I run at the Mage for instance, with a SP I'd just triple cleave and not run Mage much if he keeps running away, trusting the SP to kill him if he chokes

Frost id really good into Rogue right now though

[steel scarab]

That makes me feel a little better, every SS with a frost mage feels like an auto-loss

I'm thrilled if I manage to go 3-3

They're not a good sin teammate due to FOK breaking poly, so we basically can't fan effectively half the time, and they are so strong against us

[potent pivot]

pog. i think i'm about to upgrade from 600mbps to 1gbps

i recently upgraded from 50mbps to 600mbps by switching providers but this new provider's internet has been very spotty so i'm going to switch to another one

[sick wasp]

U r doing well fam.its very hard outside hunters to do dmg to frost mages,especially if there is a druid to clone n stuff.Class so strong it makes it rly difficult to reach for most melees

remember denying casts is better sometimes than actually killing the mage sometimes.Translates to more time for u to sniff out opportunities n stuff

having played mage this season ive found it alot harder to kill stuff when i couldnt rly cast

the only casts the mage has as frost outside the frostbolt build is orb into blizzard into lances

and SP

which u can also deny coz its channeling

[steel scarab]

What's that one channel I always see frost mages do? Like some kind of power up?

[sick wasp]

frost?

[steel scarab]

I usually try to kick it bc it looks scary but idk what it even does lol

[sick wasp]

shifting power

its cdr spell

[steel scarab]

That's it

[sick wasp]

thats the ''SP'' ive mentioned earlier

[steel scarab]

Oh!

So am I right to interrupt that one?

[sick wasp]

yes

especially if he doesnt have shields to press and u run him down

u render him defenseless

coz what it does while channeling is effectively ''gaining'' 10 sec of cdr

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=314791/shifting-power

its slightly changed in df

but its the same functionality

[steel scarab]

Wow yeah, that's scary

[sick wasp]

i usually stun them in shifting power

and keep my kicks for casts

but depends

[steel scarab]

Makes sense

[sick wasp]

if he is speced into 1 blink and not shimmer i kick to break the class

its much scarier

[steel scarab]

Here's a weird question: the other day a resto druid started channeling Tranquility and even though the bar was greyed out (unkickable, and I thought gray bar also meant not STUNNABLE) but I reflex kidney shotted him. And it WORKED. And we easily won. I went nuts about now I was so confused, and my healer said they need to talent for it to be not stunnable

Is that true?

[sick wasp]

if u press it the exact same moment stun can land and cancel the cast before he gains the immunity combat state

but once he gains the immunity nothing works

[steel scarab]

So it was just remarkably lucky timing, nothing to do with a talent

[sick wasp]

yup

its not that uncommon btw

many rogues try to cheese it

ive seen many times whaazz and nahj doing it

[steel scarab]

So is there a rule of thumb where if you can interrupt it within the first, what, half second?

[sick wasp]

its pretyt much a prediction like prekick

u just presuppose he's gonna cast it and press kidney

[steel scarab]

Oh, kind of like being stunned the second you hit evasion

[sick wasp]

ye

[steel scarab]

Makes sense. I thought I reacted to the cast but maybe it was just lucky timing

[sick wasp]

unless there was something else involved which i cant know ye,u just did it the exact same time and ur stun canceled it

happens

[steel scarab]

Fascinating

You mentioned shimmer, what's that

I've gotta get some sleep but thank you and I will read more tomorrow

[sick wasp]

makes mage able to blink twice(this makes mage practically hyper mobile,u cant catch him with alter time combo and displacement)

the alternative is mage blinking out of stuns

thats why if the mage is speced into 1 blink u kick shifting power,its the same school,he cant blink and u run him down

same applies for polymorph

[surreal barn]

Mine has surprisingly been stable but it might just have been me being use to playing with shit internet.

Interested to see how the new one works out!

[stoic spruce]

I'm a starlink gamer and it's been swell

[surreal barn]

Is that some kind of sub rogue only connection

[steel scarab]

@sick wasp great to know!

[sick wasp]

another thing u might wanna do is IF the mage is specced into 1 blink u stun him,he blinks out,u step on him and dance.He either has to DB or Nova u and run or block.In that scenario u can ask from your healer to JUST dispell DB or Nova on u nothing else

so u can force him into block and kill him on ur next go the extact same way,mage has no answer to that without trading srs cds(him or his healer)

[steel scarab]

Man. I thought mages could ALWAYS blink out of stuns

That is so incredibly useful to know

[sick wasp]

no they cant

they need to specc into it

[wintry dew]

Into or out of?

For shimmer

[sick wasp]

u spec into shimmer

so technically the 1 blink is default

but they take icefloes if not shimmer

its just the mage tree thats weird

so if u want a Ph.D lvl analysis icefloes is picked mostly to cast instant ring or polymorph

coz the spell just makes ur next spell unaffected by gcd and castable while moving

(yes its that broken)

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/the-studio-taking-notes-paying-attention-interested-gif-17315574

[sick wasp]

so the bottom lvl analysis considering the mage choice is either gain insane mobility which cant be predicted(its just impossible) or u gain that insanely gamebreaking mechanic to cast instant mass or singular cc

[surreal barn]

Have you seen how long shimmer lasts for on beta — you’ve gotta try it out lol

[sick wasp]

havent rly tested mage pvp yet,only sunfury fire in a couple of keys and 3 raid bosses

will do!

but couple of homies say the same thing

mage goes nuts in tww

[surreal barn]

I’ve been just messing around on all the classes to see what the new skills are

[sick wasp]

ive been deep into sin and sub tech

but w/o tuning idk man

might play more once its done

[surreal barn]

Been taking adv of maxed out classes I haven’t played 😆

Any idea when tuning usually gets implemented?

[sick wasp]

ive got no idea but from the little im getting we should expect some kind of bug fixing n stuff next reset

rogue basicly looks undertuned

alot

deathstalker is so cringe

trickster is bugged

coin flippin' kinda functions

[sturdy mountain]

Geting back into PvP, will do random BG and skirmishes to start. I'm 528ilvl PvE gear.
At first, would you recommend swapping gear for honor gear even though it's 515 ilvl, or wait for the conquest gear ?

[wanton breach]

that depends entirely on the stats wanted by your pvp spec - also pvp trinkets are a must have, even at 515

[sturdy mountain]

Murlok.io says Mastery Versa, I'm at 5k Mast, 3k7 Versa.
Noted for the trinket, will buy both.

[spring bough]

Had to make a new rogue. Surprisingly the name Combat was available on tichnodrious 😂

[tawdry imp]

is there anywhere I can read about what the state of the rogue specs are right now, or what people think? i've been enjoying getting into rogue but I basically only see assassination rogues, sometimes outlaw, never subtlety

[surreal barn]

They are all pretty good

Everyone is assa cause it’s busted atm

Overwhelming damage

[grave basin]

i saw in pve all 3 rogue specs are bottom 7

so that's kinda good actually

blizzard always does heavy pve tuning

[raven solar]

Do any PvP guilds exist anymore?

[gleaming pawn]

None worth joining, no

[raven solar]

Rip

[karmic summit]

For raiding sub is close to best the logs are bugged

And m+ assa is really good

[surreal barn]

I mean I always see it advertised in trade or general

Usually it’s a bunch of random BG neckbeards who all roll DH or MM hunter

[potent pivot]

i feel like lower mbps/2.4ghz connections are easier to keep more reliable, but i have no idea tbh.
when i switch to the 1gbps provider i'm going to ask them to install the lines up to the second floor so i can have the router in my room.

[surreal barn]

That would be ideal

My router is amazing and I’m even thinking of picking up a second for when I buy a larger house

[potent pivot]

yeah i'd rather have my pc lined in with an ethernet cable instead of using my wifi adapter

then i can just use my mesh extender for downstairs or something

[surreal barn]

ASUS RTAX86U has absolutely ridiculous range and you can mesh it

If your card has AC you are good to go

[potent pivot]

yeah those asus products are expensive tho

[surreal barn]

Yeah it has been picking up the slack though!

[potent pivot]

i've got a ~$100 netgear mesh extender

idk if i can use it as a router or not

[surreal barn]

The netgear I had worked great but crapped out after I lost power one day, it was a $30 econo router though

I know the nighthawk can be boosted I was actually thinking of going with it

[potent pivot]

i know fuck all when it comes to the intricacies of wifi signals n all that

i just want hella fast & reliable signal

[surreal barn]

Just make sure you’re taking adv of wireless ac

An easy google

[potent pivot]

ac?

[surreal barn]

Some old cards only have wireless n, ac and ax actually signal to the router where they are in the house so feeds a better signal to them

@potent pivot

That’s an old image, but it shows you the difference in how the antennas work

[potent pivot]

so that would be dependent on my computer's wifi card/motherboard?
or my router/mesh extender etc

[surreal barn]

Wifi card + router

It will say on the bottom of your router and you can find the card on your pc information

[potent pivot]

my pc's motherboard has it built in

so i just have an antenna that hooks up to wifi ports on the mobo

mmk i'll check that out

if i can just get a router put in upstairs + hardline it to my pc i guess it won't matter

[surreal barn]

You must have a fancy board

[potent pivot]

not really

[surreal barn]

I had to buy my card

[potent pivot]

well i guess it might be considered fancy

it was like $180-200 or something

[surreal barn]

More expensive than mine

[potent pivot]

an AORUS board

[surreal barn]

I only splurged on processor, card, and monitor

[surreal barn]

Okay maybe keyboard and speakers too. Seems like my mobo got shafted

[potent pivot]

i'm going to have to replace this board when i upgrade my pc too

probably going to build an all new pc tbh and sell this one

idk why they sold me this mobo, i didn't know as much about pc's back then

[surreal barn]

Is it bottlenecking?

[potent pivot]

Wdym

[surreal barn]

Is the board the reason your other components aren’t able to work faster

[potent pivot]

oh no definitely not, the issue is the board has an AM4 socket (last gen AMD cpu socket)

i wanna get a 7800x3d which requires an AM5 cpu socket

[high gulch]

is there an addon to track DR

[surreal barn]

diminish still works

[potent pivot]

gladius

[high gulch]

ty

[high gulch]

is that only in arena?

[potent pivot]

think so

i think there's a different addon that does bgs

[gleaming pawn]

BattlegroundEnemies is gladius for BGs 🙂 and has DRs for everyone

You can even display your team with the same setup if you don’t want to use the default frames, see your team DRs, etc

[spring bough]

Diminish can put the DRs on nameplates. It’s great for rated

[surreal barn]

Great for battlegrounds too lol

Prob won’t be updated for TWW based on what the author said though

[gleaming pawn]

There’s that Tea something DR weak aura. I haven’t bothered to set it up at all but it’s recommended by the Diminish author

[high gulch]

thanks all

[halcyon timber]

Tell me when also works. Ive been using that for a while (works in all content)

[surreal barn]

For DRs??

[halcyon timber]

Yes sir

[surreal barn]

I use TMW for a lot of things, didn’t know it could do that

[halcyon timber]

I experiment with a lot of stuff and found it very useful

[surreal barn]

I use the hell out of it on hunter

My whole screen does a quick blue blink when frost trap is off cd

Etc

104% mastery now 👀

Hitting like a truck

150% on sub

[grave basin]

Late reply but I'm talking about tww

Also have you all seen the new patch notes

Conquest weapon by week 3 for free pog

[halcyon timber]

Yep that will be pretty friggin sick

[gleaming pawn]

pvp is going to be weird in tww. This is kingsbane right now on the beta in pve

[potent pivot]

this is the total dot's damage in pve is it not

[spring bough]

Anyone know if they commented on doing a mount reward for solo rated games in TWW?

[gleaming pawn]

yeah it's full damage

still doing 3.1m at max stacks

just crazy amounts of HP players will have

[potent pivot]

i'm a lot more interested in having envenom do real damage

[gleaming pawn]

yeah that's why I'm thinking/hopeful Sin is back to ST pumping envenoms for kills instead of trying to rot a team down. Bleeds are so boring imo

[potent pivot]

i mean i like bleeds doing good damage don't get me wrong

i'm just kinda bored of the overall cleave and pve damage winning in pvp

but even if we can manage to cc the entire team and land kills with envenom people will complain until it's nerfed

[gleaming pawn]

sad and too true

ok this makes no sense to me. I was curious what the pvp modifier was on envenom since it does nothing damage right now. It's currently nerfed by 4% 😑

like why even bother nerfing it at that point

[potent pivot]

because it was doing far too much damage to be left alone !

[gleaming pawn]

[grave basin]

Envenom is being propped up by 4set currently no?

In pve atleast

[gleaming pawn]

it's ok to good in pve because of the 4-set yes, as long as you chain correctly

[outer sky]

anyone got any tips on how to play into casters cleave comps? Multi dotting feels impossible

[surreal barn]

You gotta dip for the restealth

[grave basin]

So uh.. prepatch looking to be around 30th July

Looking grim

[sick wasp]

we gonna beta test season 1

np

[grave basin]

I really hope Gamba spec isn't bis

[summer breach]

it depends what comp you play and what exact caster cleave u face

[outer sky]

is it true that we legit just dont press envenom because the energy it costs would do more damage going to sanguine blades than to the envenom?

[summer breach]

is absolutely situational, but in many cases you spend the CPs better to reapply rupture

in a Stun window or before / while kinsbane is used u can surely press Envenom still

Overall the impact is quite low in PvP though

[neat dove]

ok switched to assa in solo shuffle and how the fuck do you play with

your dots never stay up for a sec

some highly intelligent monk or paladin just does aoe blind/sleep

in the opener

your mage partner just randomly cycles polymorph on the enemy team to keep them all on dr

and keep your dots off

wtf

[wintry dew]

Idk name a target

Probably your best bet

[surreal barn]

He’s probably talking to his buddies pissed that rogues keep popping his sheeps 😂

[neat dove]

i mean i just had a ss where mage and I were facing DH and ele, i was on ele and he then polymorphed ele

obviously its gonna instabreak

[summer breach]

Well the higher u get the better people will play

at least theoretical hahaha

but assa is insanely good in shuffle with a few counters though

[surreal barn]

You lay every kidney on the DH if mage is struggling at low/mid mmr

[narrow tangle]

do i have to m+ to grind filial duty

[surreal barn]

Depends

What rating are you

You get like 5 crests per shuffle

[sick wasp]

im sniffin' massive amounts of copium for deathstalker

[narrow tangle]

1900

[jolly sierra]

that is for wyrm crests

aspects needs 2k1+

[twin burrow]

sub looks so good on paper for TWW, but i see you guys looking at assa. whats your thoughts?

[gleaming pawn]

I don’t know about Sub on paper, but active testing per the pve channels is showing Sub having a ton of problems

Assa will depend a lot on if Deathstalker gets fixed or not. Fatebound might work for it, but while Fatebound is doing well in pve it’s another high uptime required spec and doesn’t have as good of utility nodes like Deathstalker

[twin burrow]

well said, thanks

do you have a tldr 1 or 2 sentances whats broken about deathstalker?

[gleaming pawn]

Oh yeah, I got you

“The entire tree”

🙂

Between bugs and shit design, nothing about current Deathstalker works

[twin burrow]

haha got ya

yeah it seems weird that it required stealth moves for the deathstaker mark, when they removed dance from the rogue tree hah

[surreal barn]

So who is planning on pvp with the blues

[sick wasp]

i definitely am

praise our lord and savior godzilla

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExcndtN3g0cWxkeTc1ajBnaXFmazVkMmkweHJhODdmdGlyNHZhcHA4OCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/oagcrAZu2IvV0ijkiX/giphy.gif

[surreal barn]

Use the hearthstone table on them

Maybe they will fix it

[pale storm]

🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[fallen scaffold]

stun and then smokebomb and dr stun again or smoekbomb first and then stun

?

[gleaming pawn]

Use smoke after the stun, but do it to extend the CC on their healer. Ie don’t overlap it with the healer sitting in a blind or whatever. Use it at the end of that CC

[fallen scaffold]

I see, so not good to smoke bomb and then run out for a quick blind on healer real quicjk?

if not cc'd

[potent pivot]

then you'd be wasting stun time on the main target

the best scenario is to use it whenever it'll have the most time causing the healer to be "LoS" from their team mate

[fallen scaffold]

well like sometimes ill stun, get a few globals of dmg in and notice the healer running into smoke, ill stop the dmg for a glboal to run out and blind him before he gets in

[potent pivot]

that's not horrible, but the best option is to be able to stick to the kill target as long as possible

[fallen scaffold]

word

[jolly sierra]

the most common situation i recall is healer running to the smoke

if u are assa u can poison knife and delay his arrival or cc him when he is about to reach

[potent pivot]

if the healer is already CC'd by something else i can see what you're saying being ok

like if they're already stunned by your mate, you stun the kill target, bomb before healer is out of said stun

then you blind before they run in

[jolly sierra]

dont expect in shuffle someone will follow ur cc

[fallen scaffold]

yeee

[jolly sierra]

that is a miracle tbh lol

[potent pivot]

no one needs to follow his cc for that to happen

he would be following up his team mate's cc

[fallen scaffold]

usually ya

[jolly sierra]

or maybe will just tunnel vision the target

then say

"WHY U DIE"

[potent pivot]

[halcyon timber]

As the others DR’d everything with their unga bunga goggles on.

[jolly sierra]

basically

[terse fjord]

guys, im looking for an active rbg community. do u know any ?

[jolly sierra]

nuh uh

[high gulch]

Let me know if u find one

[wintry dew]

@jolly sierra yo panda

https://tenor.com/view/attack-on-titan-aot-aot-memes-shingeki-no-kyojin-snk-gif-24497041

Just finished watching mashle S2, fucking awesome

[jolly sierra]

yoyo

i finished dungeon meshi w a friend in last week

waiting for s2

[wintry dew]

I've recently caught eye on a recent anime

Kaiju n8

Thinking about starting it tomorrow

@potent pivot sorry for turning this into offtopic again

[gleaming pawn]

[potent pivot]

i don't mind and tbh i don't think the shadows do either you're good

[potent pivot]

i think i'm going to start this one soon as well

[wintry dew]

Me in bed, no lights in the room : thanks shadows

[wintry dew]

I've been seeing some random clips when I scroll Instagram and it seems cool

[gleaming pawn]

The Shadows don’t come here without someone melting down, they prefer to pretend our hive of scum and villainy does not exist 🙂

[potent pivot]

same, it looks pretty good

the only show i've been keeping up with every week has been mushoku tensei atm

it looks like it's quite popular as well

[wintry dew]

It's on my to see list actually

Oh and demon slayer has a new season rolling too

[gleaming pawn]

It’s very good

[wintry dew]

Now sleep time. Cheers my friend have a good night

[potent pivot]

the story telling is wild

[jolly sierra]

tbh i really disliked mushoku tensei

got recommended by a weeb friend and guy told me i would like it when i told him i rlly hate isekais

watched it and was like a pain in the balls, awful

prot was crappy af and rlly hated him in all senses

[potent pivot]

well the point is to see the main character grow as a person over time

it's supposedly the original isekai, like the first story ever written in that format

but the story gets really good if you can get past the somewhat annoying bits in the beginning

[jolly sierra]

thought the OG was digimon

the problem is the prot is a fkn perv and a greedy fuck which is able to fuck even his own offspring

cant deal w that

[grave basin]

Seeing a lot of PvP on beta seems like every class is immortal

And damage hasn't caught up to hp

[grave basin]

You will Gamba and you will like it

[potent pivot]

the...what

[jolly sierra]

was with a half sister and a cousin, my bad

[potent pivot]

i assume when you say prot you're talking about the main character? but i haven't seen anything about that last part you said, that's just weird af

[jolly sierra]

yeah

he

sorry trickz and royal, cant deal w that guy

[potent pivot]

i don't remember this at all lol

it's no problem lol, you like what you like :d

[jolly sierra]

its in the light novels and mangas

not yet in anime

[potent pivot]

ohhh

_>

[jolly sierra]

cya

https://tenor.com/view/hasta-la-proxima-float-fly-gif-14857954

[steel scarab]

Guys

I am so close

I can smell it

[surreal barn]

Good luck

[grave basin]

1700 games

Sir have you touched grass

May you be blessed with a 3x melee lobby for free 6 0

[surreal barn]

Eh it looks like it’s all he does tho

[sick wasp]

😅

[sick wasp]

bro,gamba's my mid name

[steel scarab]

@jolly sierra don't you play like 4 toons lol

This is my only character

[grave basin]

I can relate though S1 I had 3500 games played

Until Ret patch then I quit

[steel scarab]

I also am trying to learn 12 years of WoW abilities in 2 seasons

[grave basin]

I lost 400 cr in two days post .07 patch and got my first ever account wide silence

[steel scarab]

Was that in Shadowlands?

[grave basin]

For calling every Ret brain dead monkeys

In every lobby

No 10.0.7

This expac

[steel scarab]

Oh, I remember ret being crazy strong in SL too

Probably just because I didn't know wtf I was doing

[grave basin]

I hit 2380 then tanked to 1900

I got so pissed I just cursed every Ret I saw lel

[grave basin]

Divine toll one shots were fun

Also every wog = Loh

[jolly sierra]

yeah but not that hard w 1700 matches lol

i just play dailies and leave

[grave basin]

Man looking back at S1 memes

Was a wild ride

The retpocalyps was dark days

@steel scarab there was enough crying on social media to re-salt the dead sea for another 100 years

[steel scarab]

What rating do I need to reach to get people to stop running in before I can sap?

[grave basin]

Deservingly so

[steel scarab]

What rating do I need to reach for Druid teammates to not cyclone the target I have Deathmark on?

What rating do I need to reach for my healer to not die to Dev Evoker burst in the first 10 seconds of the match?

I just ran into all these issues in the past 2 lobbies lol

[grave basin]

The press queue 3v3 and not shuffle rating

[steel scarab]

😦

[grave basin]

For every death mark that gets cloned

You will get cloned on their offensive CDs

And you're like thank fuck I'm cloned or I woulda died here

So it all averages out

[steel scarab]

probably

[grave basin]

Top players are still at the top for a reason

[steel scarab]

Aye, they are the best at doing the right thing when teammates do the wrong things

[grave basin]

I've definitely been cloned at 1% and came back to win the round

[steel scarab]

I love that lol

[summer breach]

What I recognize is that mostly the op classes (for example ret) have no clue how to play with assa.
At really high rating other classes that are less fotm, let’s say arms. Do sometimes really impressive plays to assist ur gameplay.

Arround currently 2700 people are just playing average and sabotage you constantly.
compared to 2.8+ it is day and night

[summer breach]

depends on the classes. For example DH or DK will always do it even on top 50 rating :)))

[summer breach]

https://tenor.com/view/smug-funny-as-hell-gif-24661655

[surreal barn]

What was just another Stratholme farm for them were the darkest of days for us 😂

Shit is going to happen again TWW s1

[grave basin]

Oh I don't doubt it

Apparently Dks are immune to death on beta ATM

[lone goblet]

I'm curious, why do the pvpers all use sophic devotion rather than wafting (for assassination)?

Wafting seems to boost bleed damage more on a proc than sophic does. By quite a bit.

Only thing I could see you missing would be some generator damage (which is so low with this spec now anyways), and the kingsbane initial hit.

But like bleeds are 70% of the damage from sin right now, so wafting just seems better?

[lone goblet]

OK well, its about +11% bleed damage on a sophic proc, and about +14% on a wafting proc. Maybe they figure the less bleed damage is worth a slightly bigger Kingsbane if it gets used during sophic.

[steel scarab]

@lone goblet interesting idea

@summer breach that is just so cursed. And I'm only in the 2300s so everyone totally has no idea how to play with assassination

[jolly sierra]

well, agi > all

its better that a mastery buff

cuz it increases ALL the dmg, not just bleeds and poisons

and scales harder

[steel scarab]

I had one game where the resto druid just criticized the hell out of me all 3 games he was my teammate (probably because I am not good with Smoke Bomb) and then the 4th round, I caught the DH in a bomb super early and he died and the 2400 resto immediately ragequits, leaving me with -30 points

[lone goblet]

That's funny. The guy helped you improve, then ragequit when you did.

[steel scarab]

I had another game where I asked the balance druid who he'd like to mainly focus, and he says "don't speak. Assassination rogue, ew"

We lost that round

The game I hit 2380, I went 4-1. Should've been 5-1, but the final round, me and the marksman hunter killed each other at the same exact time, all because I forgot to swap to Dismantle before the match started

I am pretty sure I would've hit 2400 if I had dismantle that round. Entirely my fault

Sometimes I feel it would be a bit better if they gave us like 10 more seconds between rounds to swap talents and think about the matchup

[surreal barn]

When you proc sophic and have both then the buff is actually double the value

Much better than anything else

[lone goblet]

I was comparing double sophic to double wafting

[surreal barn]

Ah

[lone goblet]

Thinking about going with 1 of each

[surreal barn]

Yeah that’s why you wouldn’t go with one of each

Now double wafting I’ve never tried

I have done one though, and the sophic proc rate just wasn’t as reliable

[jolly sierra]

agi is superior

always

[surreal barn]

You also don’t really need haste if you keep bleeds up

[jolly sierra]

even 2h classes uses sophic as melee

you dont need any haste btw

[surreal barn]

Does make you wonder how fast those bleeds would tick with double waft

[jolly sierra]

like in shadowlands?

[surreal barn]

I didn’t play slands

lol

[jolly sierra]

in SL u used haste, but a little

and was most for energy regen

rather than tick frequency

[surreal barn]

James are you elite

Did you do it

[steel scarab]

No, I have failed you all

I started at 2349 and ended at 2340 lol

I think I did 5 matches

Queue time was awful and I called it

[surreal barn]

You got like 40 days

[steel scarab]

I actually think I'm gonna try Wafting because secondary stats have 2% more weight for humans than primary

[surreal barn]

Nah

[steel scarab]

I haven't given up! Just a bit demoralized lol

[surreal barn]

Don’t fuck w your agi

[jolly sierra]

nah

dont tryhard

[steel scarab]

Okay I will leave it alone

[jolly sierra]

that is the reason u are dropping a lot

[surreal barn]

Are you still high vers

[steel scarab]

No

[surreal barn]

…

Good

[jolly sierra]

because u are forcing urself

instead taking breaks

[steel scarab]

I am 105% mastery

With Elusiveness

[jolly sierra]

GL in whatever u do, im into a trip to the capital to celebrate my bday lol

its tomorrow but family will wanna keep me in home that day

[surreal barn]

Happy bday

[jolly sierra]

ty ty

(didnt slept, so ill need thistle tea)

[steel scarab]

Happy birthday!

[jolly sierra]

thank you

[surreal barn]

What capital

[jolly sierra]

santiago de chile

XD

[steel scarab]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/sargeras/Wildspice

Here's my loadout if you wanna check and make sure I'm not doing anything obviously wrong lol

[surreal barn]

I have bad news @jolly sierra

You missed it

[jolly sierra]

i wasnt a furry in that age bruh

XDDDDDDDDD

[surreal barn]

Looks like it’s January 11 2024

All is not lost

[jolly sierra]

fuck im feeling dizzy reading shit

brb

back

can you believe this shit can be used to cut tape as a keychain? lol

[untold remnant]

How on earth is assa rogue the best rogue spec right now, when EVERY CLASS can just remove bleeds..??!

[wanton breach]

that looks uncomfortable to have in your pocket

[wanton breach]

all the other specs got nerfed to shit

[jolly sierra]

tbh ill try to hide it as a knife to see i can scare potential thieves

the pocket is huge enough

[jolly sierra]

damage

XD

[untold remnant]

It doesn't do damage when every game has Ret, Evoker, Warrior

[jolly sierra]

ah, ye

but

we are the cc bots by excellence

they need us

XD

[wanton breach]

do they tho?

if it's just pve extravaganza anyways

[jolly sierra]

ah true

i still recall being scolded for a MW monk

just because i was cceing the other healer

[steel scarab]

SS is very difficult because everyone has their own idea of how the match should be played but there's no time for communication so you just try to do the best you can given the ever changing situation

I would love the mode 1000x more if the queues were instant lol

[untold remnant]

SS is so much easier then 3s tho xd ... I'm now 2550 in shuffle, and can't break 2.1 in 3s

I did, but as soon as I do, it's back to losing to R1 alts D:

[civic wigeon]

where did you get this? i want one lol

[summer breach]

@lone goblet Main reason for double Sophic is a) primary > all. b) with low secondary stat mastery proc would be an option. But with current Itemlevel and stats u already have so high Diminish on mastery (especially if u play. 2x blue silken)
c) the best pvpers absolutely suck at theory crafting. So if you convince me I’ll change it 🙂

[summer breach]

yes that’s right, the higher you get the more significant this becomes. In shuffle a lot of people can jump out of their skill scope if they get lucky which isn’t the case really in 3s

[steel scarab]

@untold remnant right but, in 3v3 you are only 33% of the equation. So you could be getting pulled down by your teammates being worse than you, or by having a non-meta team composition, or your rating could be artificially inflated by your teammates being better than you are and carrying you

That simply does not happen in SS

[summer breach]

But the performance in 3s, coordination, teamplay etc, simply skill. Is way more lineary to your rating. I have seen people skyhigh in shuffle but hardstuck 2.2 in 3s for a reason

[steel scarab]

It's a different kind of skill. Allow me to elaborate

My fiance and I did 2v2 and literally could not get above 1400. I like to think I am an above average rogue, and she is a decent holy paladin, in PvE at least. Even being 50% of the equation in 2v2 and playing in the same room, we couldn't break 1400.

Our communication was very poor and she was not receptive to feedback or constructive criticism

We could have played 10,000 games and I don't think we'd ever have hit 1600 lol

[summer breach]

You don’t rely on your team. That makes Shuffle so much easier for the average player and the rating shows that

[surreal barn]

I might be famous

[steel scarab]

3v3 is also a game mode that has a very entrenched playerbase. People who have been doing 3v3 for ten years simply crush people who are just starting, which dissuades new people from trying the mode

[surreal barn]

I’m eating a cherry pie I just bought from the Costco bakery section in my car - the guy that’s parked beside me decided to pull out his iPhone and video me

[steel scarab]

....are you eating the pie in a particularly unusual fashion?

[summer breach]

well that is something I cannot imagine. Anyone who is able to heal a m+ key can get to 1.8 but probably I’m out of touch

[surreal barn]

Just a fork 👀

[steel scarab]

We were both KSM in two seasons

She would regularly get kicked and locked out of holy and die without being able to use defensives

M+ skillset and PvP skillset are two entirely different animals

[summer breach]

and shuffle is so much more accessible. I am surely not the best players as well, but I’d dare to say I can up any healer to at least 1.8 no matter how bad

[steel scarab]

That's part of what's great about SS, you can just jump in with no team

There's a lot of networking and homework involved for 2v2 and 3v3

You might have a skilled friend to PvP with, but your team comp may not mesh well at all

[summer breach]

agreed I hated shuffle at first

[steel scarab]

Or you might have a friend who's the right team comp for you, but a terrible player

SS solves all those issues

The ONLY problem with SS atm is the queue

Which is cancer

[summer breach]

I did not play season 1 and 2 so shuffle was super new for me when I returned and it was tilting

but Assassination is the strongest dps in shuffle

with a few big counters

but depending on the level so many lobby’s were default 6-0 when I climbed on fresh rogues

[steel scarab]

Ret, holy paladin, survival hunter, any Evoker, frost mage, affliction warlock

Yes, starting SS I was astonished at how "good" I was at it

0-1400 going 6-0 basically every single match

Then I hit the brick wall

of people who suddenly had a slight idea what they were doing

Then I realized how not-good I was

[summer breach]

well and where the wall sits depends on individual performance

[steel scarab]

Right, I mean I didn't magically jump another 800 rating by my teammates randomly doing better

I improved

And learned

[summer breach]

ret and frostmage are hard yes but affliction should be 2 free wins and u can win against him

[steel scarab]

I almost never win with Affliction as a teammate, and I don't do well against them

[summer breach]

hmmm can be a healer thing

[steel scarab]

No, it's probably me doing something wrong

I mean realistically speaking, if there are assassins in SS rated 2900, it's obviously me doing something wrong, I am just not good enough to discern what it is

[summer breach]

I have 4 rogues at 2.8+ rn

[steel scarab]

That is amazing

[summer breach]

the last rogue I climbed from 2.6 ish a few days ago and it was relatively easy but super Lobby dependant

[steel scarab]

Have you been pvping for a long time?

[summer breach]

2.9 currently the top is super hard

with breaks I played since TBC and Main rogue since wrath

[steel scarab]

I stopped at wrath and came back during Shadowlands and only started PvP in DF

So I had (have) a lot to learn

[summer breach]

Always wanted to relearn sub but just can’t do it currently 😁

[wanton kernel]

Can someone help me with a Macro?

#showtooltip Sap
/cast [nostealth] Stealth
/cleartarget
/targetenemyplayer
/cast [harm, nodead] sap
/stopattack

With this button i enter stealth and when i spam it i sap someone. But i cant use it to enter stealth when in shadowmeld cause the /cast [nostealth] Stealth gets skipped caused by shadowmeld. Is there a solution?

[summer breach]

Just meld/stealth in a separate Macro I’d say

[wanton kernel]

well of course, but im looking for a solution in one keybind

[summer breach]

u can just press sap also :p

I always suggest to separate stuff and get used to it

[steel scarab]

My only macro is tea, trinket, Kingsbane

[summer breach]

for example I had Tea packed into Kingsbane

[wanton kernel]

im not talking about cds combined in a macro

[summer breach]

but not always I wanna use a tea when I kingsbane

[wanton kernel]

this is a macro to enter stealth and spam sap any nameplate to find stealth unit in arena

[summer breach]

but before u don’t use tea at all it’s better ofc

[wanton kernel]

but the sap part is not the important part

[summer breach]

yeah but why not just spam normal sap Makro

[wanton kernel]

mate

its about the first line

that prevents me to exit stealth when im in stealth

so when i spam to restealth in dont exit it accidently

ignore the sap part

[summer breach]

yes but when u cleartarget

and target closest enemy

it will be in combat if not the target u want to sap

the condition is so conditional to work, don’t see any benefit

[wanton kernel]

brother

its ok aqo

[summer breach]

in just pressing stealth and sap separately

[wanton kernel]

just let it go

[summer breach]

yeah someone else might be able to help u

[wanton kernel]

you dont understand what the problem is

like i said multiple times, ignore the sap part

that works wonderful

[summer breach]

So u exist stealth

cause the nostealth part doesn’t work

[wanton kernel]

its about not entering stealth while in shadowmeld cause im tagged with [stealth]. but i need to press stealth to move again, else im losing shadowmeld and are out of stealth

[summer breach]

u also lose subterfuge

if u don’t cast real stealth in meld

[wanton kernel]

this guy 😂

[summer breach]

so the condition nostealth counts meld as stealth and makes it not work

[wanton kernel]

correct

but i need the condition so when i spam stealth i dont exit it accidently

thats my issue

[summer breach]

I was figuring it with my meld macro I press 2 times

but if pressed 3rd time u leave stealth and I couldn’t find a condition that applied to meld as nostealth

im interested if u find a solution I couldn’t find one unfortunately

[wanton kernel]

you got meld off cd?

/cast [nostealth]!Shadowmeld; !Stealth try this

i cant currently

yep this works

great

a nvm doesnt work properly

[summer breach]

yeah it’s dump that meld is no stealth

[wanton kernel]

maybe this:
/cast !Stealth

can you try? i have 2 min cd

[summer breach]

im not online currently 😦

u need the meld and stopattack to drop combat

that’s why u have to cast stealth by 2nd button press

[wanton kernel]

it works

[summer breach]

so it’s 2 lines Makro?

[wanton kernel]

no same macro but without the [nostealth] condition which wont work during shadowmeld

the !Stealth just checks if skill Stealth is active i guess

[summer breach]

ok I’ll test that

thanks hehe

[steel scarab]

This game actually wants me to go insane

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

aliexpress

XD

[steel scarab]

Jesus christ lol

I just lost 37 points. With a MM hunter, who had an enormous brain when he wasn't on my team, but as a teammate he never used turtle once

He was rated 500

What the heck is this game lol

[civic wigeon]

which one did you get? there are many options

[wanton breach]

oof gl on your climb

[grave basin]

do damage like this guy

legit ended the game in 20 seconds

[surreal barn]

Weird. They are easily one of the best partners

Need to fix that, a lot affli lately

[steel scarab]

😦

[surreal barn]

Have you tried laying kidneys on melee/hunter while training the healer with an affli teammate yet

[steel scarab]

FINALLY

No, I've never tried focusing the healer with an affliction teammate, maybe I should try that?

I think I need to take a break after all that stress lol

Feels good!!!

(I literally cried tears of relief lmao)

[grave basin]

now do it again on rogue #2

[wintry dew]

Fucking gz my dood, all the complaining worked out

https://tenor.com/view/weekend-party-champagne-gif-18280013

It's really wholesome to see my rogue brothers thrive and conquer their goals

[finite onyx]

yo

[grave basin]

meanwhile my pc bricked and i got deserter and lost 150cr

got it back thought since mmr doesnt drop when you leave arena???

[surreal barn]

Fucking hell

[grave basin]

i thought they fixed that in s1

[surreal barn]

Grats

[finite onyx]

can someone tell me why everyone goes 0 haste on assa while in pve you would take at least a little?

[steel scarab]

Well

You guys gave some great advice

[grave basin]

because haste doesnt do shit

when you have tea

[wintry dew]

PvE Andy here

[steel scarab]

Zeiss convinced me to stop running 48% versatility

[surreal barn]

Welcome to the club

[wintry dew]

In PvE you want your stats balanced (for assassination specifically)

[grave basin]

unironically same

im gonna recraft some stuff

[surreal barn]

I was playing sub last night

[grave basin]

my condolences

[surreal barn]

And my eviscerates were the same as my rupture ticks

on assa

[wintry dew]

In PvP you want to take less DMG and to deal more DMG so mastery/versa are the go to

[grave basin]

i saw palumor testing sub on beta

and .. yikes...

[surreal barn]

Sub is still the play on beta like it or not

[grave basin]

theres just no way

[surreal barn]

I plan on playing with the blues

[grave basin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FtkkEw2oNU

[surreal barn]

And dying 1000 times

[finite onyx]

yeah but you also take crit over vers at some point.. i simmed stat weights for 3 target light movement, i know its not the same, but haste is by far the highest stat

since i have 0 haste ^

[wintry dew]

Simming stat weight is your first mistake

You're not hitting dummies

[grave basin]

sims dont do anything in pvp

you dont have 100% uptime

[wintry dew]

And stat weight is trash

Just don't use it

It's so bad the website even removed it from the main options

[finite onyx]

haste does scale with dots though right?

[wintry dew]

Yes

[grave basin]

mastery scales better

[wintry dew]

Exactly

[grave basin]

and tea gives you mastery and energy

[wintry dew]

Mastery > haste

[grave basin]

tbh i hate tea

but youre forced to use it

[finite onyx]

even when you have 0 haste and lose 20% on extra mastery because it dr's?

[grave basin]

yes

[wintry dew]

Yes

[grave basin]

20% haste does absolutely nothing

when you crit someone with a 500k kingsbane

[wintry dew]

You can't barely feel the energy Regen aswell

[surreal barn]

It’s kinda a joke lol

[grave basin]

it's a running meme that rogues are bandaided with tea

cause our energy economy is trash

without those capstones

[wintry dew]

These are arbitrary numbers but think like this:
1 mastery point = 50 DMG.
1 haste point = 10 DMG.
1 mastery point in DR = 30 DMG.

[surreal barn]

You get a lot of energy back passively in beta too

[grave basin]

have you seen this @surreal barn

[surreal barn]

No, I’m at work should I watch it

[finite onyx]

well okay, ill take your word for it thanks

[grave basin]

man another expac with all my damage coming from cold blood sectec

[wintry dew]

You don't need to take our word on it, just check murlok.io

[grave basin]

0 creativity i swear

[surreal barn]

lol

[grave basin]

honestly

[surreal barn]

watched it

[grave basin]

make a DK and just have all the devs face a 10dk premade

GRIP GRIP GRIP GRIP GRIP

[surreal barn]

Glad I spent the last month learning how to hunter

😂

[grave basin]

AYEE see you in sv discord

[surreal barn]

But I mean

He didn’t go trickster

And that shit is fun

[grave basin]

yea i love getting gcd locked when im pumping

[summer breach]

to me haste is underrated

difference between 0 and 10% is huge

[surreal barn]

If you take haste to 6% you get the extra tick

[summer breach]

Tried it all