Grappling hook is OP af in pvp and sub doesn't have that
#pvp
quaint cedar
All I guess
sick wasp
ye not all
quaint cedar
But in arena being able to hook 40 yds and cc a healer is crazy good
Sub and sin are limited to step range
Also helps survivability because you can hook to a pillar without a target
sick wasp
sub can basicly step twice as well and have 2 more steps after the go
and sub ofc has more dmg in general
quaint cedar
Idk I don't get it. Outlaw can be S tier every expansion and somehow you all still say it sucks
Makes no sense at all
sick wasp
because outlaw is a brawler that cant brawl into real brawlers
its crazy good with grapples stuns/gouges and ccs
but thats about to change
No dance
no party
quaint cedar
We had our damage absolutely gutted because of dance though. I wish we kept dance too but I'd rather be able to do damage again
sick wasp
so what was the whole idea with having two grapples anyway
if u cant rly tap into your stealth bar on demand
quaint cedar
Fatebound adds a ton of consistent damage back to the spec which is a good thing
quaint cedar
You know that kidney and gouge can be used outside of stealth right?
sick wasp
trickster gives u the unpredictability
a rogue needs
that combined with sub just makes sub the perfect candidate
quaint cedar
Also we still have stealth just slightly less often
Vanish is a 2 min CD so with uptime we can farm that back in about 45-60 seconds
That's a stealth bar every other go
Essentially
That is still good
Only way it's not good is if outlaw is super undertuned. Then I agree it will be shit. But we can't know that yet
Again still way more stealth than assa has with a hard 2 min CD on vanish that can't be reduced. By that logic assa is going to be super shit
sick wasp
sin will most likely be one of the most deadly specs in shuffles with IC and bleeds all over the place
but it will have survivability issues and cc capacity isnt ideal
quaint cedar
Ye sin does the most damage in shuffle but it's the squishiest
sick wasp
but i can see it working in 2s
quaint cedar
So depends on the meta. Right now it's best rogue spec for shuffle. Sometimes it's not though
sick wasp
sin will most likely have the most dmg overall across all rogue specs
sick wasp
sub will be the most deadly coz it has higher burst capability
and its unpredictable
the distract cheese gonna be real
quaint cedar
Until you get nerfed week 2 anyways lol
sick wasp
even nerfed the synergy sub w trickster is too good to overlook in pvp
idk,we will see
for now,everything screams sub
might change
quaint cedar
Btw does the smoke cloud from trickster distract cause los like smoke bomb does?
Tooltip doesn't say it does. Visual looks similar though
quaint cedar
Yeah it would be
sick wasp
distract into box into duel
quaint cedar
I think most likely not
sick wasp
u literally soloing a person w/o heals
quaint cedar
Sub would have 3 ways to force los then lol
quaint cedar
Yeah no way they do that
halcyon timber
It doesn’t count as “real smoke bomb”
It is just for cloud cover application of fazed and yes it works in combat.
narrow tangle
can i have WA to track assa dots etc
jolly sierra
REEEEEEEEE
waxen siren
any builds up to try for sub or outlaw on the beta?
twin burrow
stop playing SS and queue ladder 😜
stoic spruce
stop playing SS and queue ladder 😜
Based
grave basin
all that time waiting; just to develop bad habits 😦
no i SHALL max pve m+ build all my arena matches
btw can any1 on the beta confirm what our tier set tints are for pvp?
what color
is the elite set
wintry dew
Thanks!
Yeah it looks pretty cool
grave basin
HOLD
we get the purple tint as elite is pretty dope
usually that's the mythic tint
wintry dew
I would expect red to be elite actually
wintry dew
I'm not mentaly ready to reach 1800 next expansion s1
jolly sierra
so purple would be the most appropiate
like in WOD with green as mythic and elite
cuz fel
jolly sierra
I'm not mentaly ready to reach 1800 next expansion s1
the moment will arrive
wintry dew
And i know myself pretty well, i'll rush it day1
jolly sierra
XD
jolly sierra
dude you should push forward lol
what if we get something similar to shadowflame again?
however i think dreadflame will be bis as cosmetic illusion here lol
wintry dew
what if we get something similar to shadowflame again?
i value my mental health way more than the illusions
jolly sierra
i value my mental health way more than the illusions
damn
stoic spruce
I'd cuddle tf out of a female pandaren
wintry dew
I'd cuddle tf out of a female pandaren
tell me more
stoic spruce
not with sharp armor
I bet itd be like hugging a big heavy teddy bear
I guess its exactly like that
wintry dew
@jolly sierra his panda is cute
jolly sierra
I bet itd be like hugging a big heavy teddy bear
heh furry
jolly sierra
<@239851547935113216> his panda is cute
pigtails are the big deal there
and some decent eye color
jolly sierra
Bros never hugged a large animal
nah else would shred me
jolly sierra
the closest thing i did something similar was a lion from a safari, touched its fur and was like straw
the lion jumped to the cab
lol
wise breach
PURPLE IS ELITE?
Mythic is purple too, just a lighter shade mixed with blue
jolly sierra
Mythic is purple too, just a lighter shade mixed with blue
they chose the best colors for highest dificulty
something worthy to get XD
stoic spruce
Nopeee
jolly sierra
potent pivot
what spec is currently good for pvp resp. any of them dead?
nah they're all ok atm
assa is the most popular, but none of the specs are "bad"
reef jetty
ty
snow wyvern
anyone know some good PVP nameplates? or just nameplates in general?
paper cedar
anyone know some good PVP nameplates? or just nameplates in general?
i just use plater
snow wyvern
i just use plater
I do too, But is there a good clean profile?
surreal barn
I haven’t been able to get psyfiend to show up on my plater profile since S2 lol
Probably because I’m using a blizzard looking plate skin that interferes with it
potent pivot
i think bicmex made a decent one
naive fable
jolly sierra
devokers? run when he uses dragonrage and triple sap or cheapshot the shroud
sleek bluff
Hey all, any good general guides for getting into assa pvp? Mainly trying to understand burst goes, and general playstyle. I'm losing against wars/Dk's that just mongo me down. Trying to cross-bleed but after a bit I run out of energy and I'm a sitting duck
fallen scaffold
after the cloak nerf, what specs do i take veil of midnight aginst as assa?
surreal barn
Dk disarm when they get low on health or to help your partner
surreal barn
DH you can but other options are better
fallen scaffold
u know im not talking about disarm right
im talking about the cloak of shadows pvp talent
surreal barn
Yeah back to cloak 👀
surreal barn
I’m take it vs surv hunters
surreal barn
I take it vs warr
Sometimes
If I’m the target and they have disarm then I’m taking it
surreal barn
Enemy
high gulch
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/RPfuZtlI1I
I understand now the difference vault makes
jolly sierra
that sounds weird af dude
jolly sierra
https://tenor.com/view/really-what-squint-chicken-gif-15168180
caldo de pollo
there are any info about precog in TWW?
gleaming pawn
it's going to be one of those special gems in TWW
gleaming pawn
jolly sierra
lemme see something
i see, u can just use one of those, all are Algari Gems
thought u could combine both in gear
jolly sierra
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/226403529894526987/1248728898263...
lets see
looks like an edgy reaper dude
XD
but looks crazy af
wintry dew
check the wowhead link, you can see the fullmog there
jolly sierra
this one?
hexed pollen
jolly sierra
looks sinister af
high gulch
is there an ingame community to join? i tried the bg community but i guess it's broken and it won't let me in
jolly sierra
no, we are from different regions mostly each other
so we hang out ocasionally between peers from our regions, but individually
jolly sierra
Elite goes perfectly with tabard
TBH blake, dont think so
found actually the perfect one
jolly sierra
hmmmmmmm
wintry dew
maybe no belt
wintry dew
im pretty sure we can find a fitting belt so it doesnt look "empty" there
surreal barn
No tabard looks best imo haha
jolly sierra
imo the arathi tabard is the best match there
wintry dew
I tried cooking but boy i hate the dressing room, hard to find stuff
feel free to give me feedback
2 diff daggers because i couldnt choose
jolly sierra
OOOOOOOOOF u mixed well
would lean more to court dagger but idk
what bout this one?
or this one?
wintry dew
can't seem to find them in the dressing room
thats why i didnt try those 😒
I'm still cooking btw
but i do hate dressing rooms
jolly sierra
damn
wintry dew
jolly sierra
nvm we will check in PTR tho
wintry dew
Boots aren't PERFECT because for them to be PERFECT they need to be PvP elite for monk
during WoD
jolly sierra
that is impossible tho
armors there were exclusive to their classes in that xp i recall
jolly sierra
lemme check
jolly sierra
Not at my cpu to check
looks like a fox
surreal barn
I like it
jolly sierra
nice
jolly sierra
oof
chrome spear
Just got back to the game is sub or assa better
jolly sierra
<@239851547935113216> can we solo mythic castle nathria?
emmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
dont think so
we can barely solo BFA raids in MM
grave basin
Dayum
grave basin
Just got back to the game is sub or assa better
Assa
steel scarab
5-1, 4-2, then 1-5. The last match I was against 2 shadowpriests, a destro warlock, and a WW monk
Why do I lose the same amount of MMR in one match that I gained from the previous two matches?
Like the game should give some fucking leeway, if you are just playing into a terrible comp for your spec you shouldn't be horrendously punished for that
Meanwhile the disc priest who went 2-4 gained 50 points? Like
What is this garbage MMR system lol
grave basin
Meanwhile the disc priest who went 2-4 gained 50 points? Like
The disc had lower cr than mmr
Probably grandfathered mmr from last season
steel scarab
I see!
sick wasp
i can smell it
lets go my guy,almost there
sick wasp
Like the game should give some fucking leeway, if you are just playing into a te...
try playing mage into double MM in ruins bro
😉
auto 0-6
like my mage becomes an elevator after those lobbies
actually frustrating coz u need to climb again
dapper chasm
This all sounds like some pretty classic issues that could be resolved easily by simply getting good
upper crag
anyone knows what addon this is by any chance?
pale storm
afk and soak HKs
sub is so fun in epcis, run thiefs, duel and bomb and pick people off
idle coyote
Hi
stoic spruce
Hiii ^.^
winter isle
Hi anyone has a good tree of talents for pvp in tww or continue testing?
stoic spruce
What spec
winter isle
sub
winter isle
Okey ty ❤️
stoic spruce
You're welcome 
tribal whale
It’s over
surreal barn
that's insane pacing
halcyon timber
It was pretty dang sick
potent pivot
looks like … wow2
i pray wow2 is in the pipeline
for after the next 3 expansions that were already announced
brand new foundation could solve all the games issues if done right
surreal barn
brand new foundation *could* solve all the games issues if done right
Agreed.
untold remnant
I bet prepatch hits in 3-4 weeks lol
Fck. Time to find people to queue 3s with then
steel scarab
@potent pivot redoing the game engine will kill the game. None of the technological geniuses who built wow work there anymore.
The developers who built wow also built wc2 and wc3. The current Blizzard dev team couldn't even REMAKE wc3 properly.
wintry dew
Not with that attitude
steel scarab
I am a realist
wintry dew
You're old
steel scarab
Optimism is cool and all but
wintry dew
Thinking old
potent pivot
<@629463378250956810> redoing the game engine will kill the game. None of the te...
do... what
wintry dew
That's old man thinking
potent pivot
they can literally copy half of the mechanical workings
steel scarab
They did that with the wc3 remake though and the game plays worse than the original
potent pivot
i don't think anyone wants the mechanics of the game to change very much
just better graphics, story, and gameplay systems
wintry dew
A totally different story would be awesome
New maps, new cities, new baddies
And please stop calling me champion
potent pivot
the story of this game since wrath/legion has been downhill af
but the combat of wow is still unmatched
no game has the snappy, fluid combat wow has
that wouldn't be too difficult to put into a new game
jolly sierra
i was thinking in a timeskip
100 years maybe?
and perhaps those guys are already experimenting a new engine
potent pivot
i get the feeling they are
jolly sierra
pls blizz lemme keep my collections
potent pivot
why else would they announce the next 3 expansions
wintry dew
100 years maybe?
Post everything we know, a totally new world that needs rebuilding
potent pivot
unless there was the possibility that they'd be the last 3
dapper chasm
The thing about WoW is that the engine is so damn tight
It's almost fighting game level
Just the sheer responsiveness and latency
wintry dew
World soul saga
jolly sierra
but no way this is finished
wintry dew
I wonder what will come next
wintry dew
I've been wishing a wow2 since legion
jolly sierra
World soul saga
casino saga
ppl got depressed after saving the world and now they have a frenzy betting shit
so it ignites the 5th war just to get the spot to keep betting
wintry dew
That's next level
jolly sierra
ye
sharp sierra
This is it boyz. Less then 4 weeks left in season. Time to grind out your ratings
potent pivot
This is it boyz. Less then 4 weeks left in season. Time to grind out your ratin...
where are you getting this 4 weeks from?
sharp sierra
August 26 release minus typical 6 week prepatch
Id say 4 to 5 tops in season
Outside the typical beta bugs, the game is pretty much ready almost
potent pivot
have they even started raid testing
sharp sierra
Dont think so but those are like 2 weeks at most
potent pivot
idk, until they announce prepatch i wouldn't be too sure
sharp sierra
Prepatch should be about 5 or 6 weeks long. Usually is
potent pivot
don't think it'll matter for most of us anyway though seeing how this season's rewards are the same as last season :p
sharp sierra
Lol
potent pivot
i haven't really touched this season personally
stoic spruce
I've been wishing a wow2 since legion
Would fix nothing. Same devs are working on it.
wintry dew
Negative sir
Let them legit create new stuff not related to this reality
New everything
stoic spruce
New IP
wintry dew
Could be
wintry dew
If you're talking about TWW numbers, they aren't a thing
Beta is for people to try and report bugs
stoic spruce
Crazy how often you hear about people wanted a M+ build to run in beta
Like my guy lol
haughty meteor
If you're talking about TWW numbers, they aren't a thing
idc about numbers
im running arenas
and i feel like im doing negative dmg
is there a consistent pvp build out rn
stoic spruce
For dragonflight?
haughty meteor
no WWW
stoic spruce
No
haughty meteor
sub just feels horrible
stoic spruce
Yeah that'll happen in beta
haughty meteor
locks look insane
wintry dew
I still dont understand
surreal barn
New game - new graphics card?
wintry dew
if hes talking about Tww or DF
stoic spruce
Find a build that works with itself. Don't worry about dmg.
stoic spruce
if hes talking about Tww or DF
Tww
surreal barn
Or is my 1070Ti gonna keep chugging like a CHAMP
stoic spruce
New game - new graphics card?
Upgrade time :)
haughty meteor
yes im talking about tww
haughty meteor
practice arenas in beta rn
surreal barn
Upgrade time :)
I run it all on ultra as it is lol
haughty meteor
but in comparison to others
stoic spruce
There's no build. You have beta to find a build
haughty meteor
there is no dmg
wintry dew
its BETA
stoic spruce
Then use a different build lol
wintry dew
its not supposed to check numbers
but gameplay
bugs
people treat beta like pre release
stoic spruce
Yeah thats at the bottom of blizzards list of priorities
surreal barn
Have you seen how frost mage can proc multiple frost orbs
stoic spruce
Its toxxy
surreal barn
And have like 3 going simultaneously lol
potent pivot
is there a consistent pvp build out rn
even after TWW releases the meta builds will change multiple times
beta is for fucking around and testing different things, not necessarily for running 1 build
minor relic
bois what addon is that ? showing breatihng and some buffs like that
wintry dew
bois what addon is that ? showing breatihng and some buffs like that
quartz probably
an og addon
potent pivot
Would fix nothing. Same devs are working on it.
same devs that work on the #1 mmo in the world - i don't see the problem
minor relic
quartz probably
yes! thank you
jolly sierra
im the one winning the RBG
oh boy dude is still typing
wait wait i have more
stoic spruce
I'll take WoW players with no life for 500 Alex
I'll admit
Him not insta /ignore is huge
jolly sierra
guy was absolutely obliterated in everything
im sure he setthed hard
remember kids
dont mock emote if it backfires later
did the mistake of laughing at me after killing me in a 2v1 with a DH
surreal barn
Just tried out Sentinel MM on beta
The owl that attacks literally looks like it’s pooping on the enemy it’s so funny
grave basin
The don't look back shield is pretty big too
stoic spruce
Once Bo6 releases, I'll be gone.
surreal barn
I'm a sucker for super secret spy stuff
Sounds like something a sub rogue would say
vernal abyss
hey, i'm a french guy who want to learn how to be a good PvP rogue for Arena and RBG, could someone be my teacher ?
untold remnant
Is Assa/Fire now played with Disc or with Holy?
dapper chasm
Assa/Fire is just Italian for spicy diarrhea
surreal barn
A Gandalf melee mage hero class would have made Mage Disarming relevant
jolly sierra
A Gandalf melee mage hero class would have made Mage Disarming relevant
huh
is that even possible?
surreal barn
Blizz could have done it, would have been pretty cool imo
dapper chasm
We should have Gandalf the Grey, AND Gandalf the White and "Monty Python and the Holy Grail's" Black Knight
jolly sierra
that is a battlemage lorewise i recall
and i recall them dual wielding swords and shit
surreal barn
We should have Gandalf the Grey, AND Gandalf the White and "Monty Python and the...
I got a desk toy black knight
All his arms and legs are magnetic lol
surreal barn
Badass
Just read up on them, that’s not really what I am talking about
Battlemage does though. I think it would have been easy for the bottom capstone of a tree to make all ranged spells now melee and instant cast
tough spruce
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Battle_mage
I love this concept. I believe that's what they tried to do with enhancement shaman
jolly sierra
I love this concept. I believe that's what they tried to do with enhancement sha...
yeah would be funny af to add melee casters imo
winter isle
what talents are u using for sub in tww guys? idk what build use
pearl warren
Is Assa/Fire now played with Disc or with Holy?
both are fine
stoic spruce
A Gandalf melee mage hero class would have made Mage Disarming relevant
DK could have that if blizz didn't hate dk
steel scarab
Oh interesting, so a battlemage is more a caster that also uses melee attacks. Could be fun
stoic spruce
A battlemage is fdk
halcyon timber
Gotta keep church and state separated
stoic spruce
huh? lol
oh I see
yeah like a ranged tank
thats so dumb
forumers need to be castrated
halcyon timber
People flip out about 10%
Forums would shoot homing missile turds out of their ass in response
stoic spruce
dude
honestly im glad blizz doesnt listen to a lot of feedback
because wow
forum mains canNOT cook
halcyon timber
Forums and the the pve side of this discord are bat shit crazy
Glad realz and the others think about what is actual balance instead of the crazy shit taking over. Thank god they are reasonable .
cedar skiff
Glad realz and the others think about what is actual balance instead of the craz...
lets be real 95% of wow player base has the iq of a spoon lol
its probably better they dont take feed back, infact do the opposite half the time. But it would be nice if they actually played the game
wintry dew
its probably better they dont take feed back, infact do the opposite half the ti...
Yes and yes
wintry dew
If they read 10% of the posts in wowpvp redit, rogues wouldnt exist
stoic spruce
lets be real 95% of wow player base has the iq of a spoon lol
I stg it feels like im the only smart wow player
like
for example
Sub doesnt deserve nice things and thats objectively correct
assa and outlaw?
big pp
untold remnant
What heal would you recommend with Affli/Assa?
jolly sierra
priest is the staple there tho
gleaming pawn
Have fun murdering https://www.wowhead.com/news/pvp-with-the-blues-in-rated-battleground-blitz-and-deephaul-ravine-on-june-14th-342804
quaint cedar
forum mains canNOT cook
I swear half the feedback on the forums for outlaw is just
wher combat rog
I don't get it. Combat was lame
wintry dew
Don't get me wrong, i'd enjoy outlaw more if it didn't have a pistol shot
stoic spruce
It's very unique
quaint cedar
Ye pistol is a big part of the flavor for me
stoic spruce
Wish it sounded meatier though
quaint cedar
I wish MM wasn't such a bland spec. We need more guns
wintry dew
To me, it kinda breaks it,
once i start shooting im not a rogue anymore
i still play outlaw, but i still hate P.shot
quaint cedar
I mean sub literally drops black powder bombs on the ground so idk. Seems fine to me 🤷♀️
wintry dew
Thats why i said "to me it kinda breaks it"
quaint cedar
But fair enough, outlaw is not for everyone
wintry dew
Instead of a pistol ability, if it was a bow ability of some kind, i'd probably like it
stoic spruce
Like a witch hunter
quaint cedar
They should probably have glyphs for it
But I would legit be really upset if they took away the pistol entirely
It's the only spec in the game that uses a pistol
And I really enjoy the sword + pistol combo
wintry dew
If they gave me a glyph where, instead of pulling a gun out of my pocket, i used a wrist crossbow or even a bow, i'd LOVE IT
quaint cedar
That's why I can't play the other rogues specs. It's just not the same
Yeah I don't see why they couldn't do that. Lots of people would like it I'm sure
Blizzard really needs to up their cosmetic game
wintry dew
like literally same ability, no changes whatsoever but the visual
Also, instead of removing your offhand weapon and "pocketing" it, you'd still have it equipped, if used with a wrist crossbow
like this
quaint cedar
I always thought it was dumb how needlessly restrictive weapons are in this game, for an rpg.
Only rogue that can equip two swords is outlaw
Assa is 2 daggers only
Warrior basically can't play sword & shield in pvp because only prot can do that and it's a tank
Like none of that makes any sense to me at all
halcyon timber
A lot of it comes down to IDs
it's a pain in the fucking ass to rig and hand to an engineer and someone has to clear it. When us animators make X happen everything has in instanced ID and other shit. The animation, the vfx, the enchants, the ID to race / class / spec everything. Everything reads way different and it is this way for a good reason. The weapons and other items etc carry unique IDs and it is like that in any game / mmo and why things work they way they do.
quaint cedar
A lot of those restrictions were made in legion though which kinda sucks
halcyon timber
yeah comes down to ID's as everything isn't compatable and the old stuff was discarded
armateurs that we use aren't 1:1 and you just do not copy paste or constraints, vfx, animations everything goes to shit
it's a lot of work, like a lot and then it breaks no matter what you do , no matter the engine. Just like their big boat trip they had in the beginning of the expansion. The coding on that alone and to fix that while players are up their ass nonstop "i WunnNa pLay" like a toddler
halcyon timber
They made an exception as races were limited back then
halcyon timber
Now? They made an exception yeah
jolly sierra
there were thirteen races with possible monk classes
halcyon timber
All depends on the team and what they spend time focusing on and have time for
Back then?
jolly sierra
ye
halcyon timber
Dunno, priorities of work /shrug
jolly sierra
pandaren
human
dwarf
gnome
NE
draenei
orc
tauren
undead
troll
BE
oh i count like shit
eleven
its still a high amount
halcyon timber
Convince a team in a constructive manner
jolly sierra
Convince a team in a constructive manner
gimme shadowmoon sash crystals back
halcyon timber
Resources spent and resources lost
jolly sierra
clipping is a shit excuse
halcyon timber
That’s a rigging deal
Clipping is a pain in the ass to fix woth thousands of models
You use constraints to fix that and it takes a lot of fuckin time
jolly sierra
the problem eridian
is they said would be readded soon
in warlords
how much time passed since that? hmmm?
halcyon timber
That was done by a single person likely
jolly sierra
when you still have li li with a 13 yo model when she is currently like 27 years old
jolly sierra
damn, danuser kept her busy
halcyon timber
Some artists do personal projects as passion projects
jolly sierra
seems like
halcyon timber
On their own time
Shes an amazing artist
The people who make assets don’t usually rig or vfx or the other stuff. All separate teams in studios
Hard af stuff
jolly sierra
do u have her artstation? i have a friend which is artist and maybe she can be interested
likes to research a lot
halcyon timber
Not off the top of my head but you can look for blizzard official work that artists put up (when they are allowed)
Dave greco is one of my favorites. Let me look for the lady’s page rq
jolly sierra
k
one guy from here was hired for blizzard for some works too, dont recall if is still there
was called Genzo, draws nice af
halcyon timber
Have to see when i get back to my computer. Phone is freaking out because apparently some nerd keeps trying to steal my shit
Yeah lots of community players / artists do free lance work
I know a couple guys in another discord who do
halcyon timber
No problem, dmd you a few as their privacy is important. I follow a lot of them and I look up to them a lot. Def want to make some cool shit to show them eventually and enter a student art contest blizz does if i can get the time.
jolly sierra
No problem, dmd you a few as their privacy is important. I follow a lot of them...
whoa, im impatient for checking that too
halcyon timber
Yeah there are a lot more too
Behind the scenes stuff the artists do is my fave part of blizzcon and the voice actor panels
jolly sierra
will we have blizzcon this year too?
spring bough
will we have blizzcon this year too?
yeah so they can announce the second xpack of the trilogy releases early next year lol
jolly sierra
huh
surreal barn
Iirc no blizzcon
spring bough
huh
it was a joke because the war within seems like its coming so soon
rushed xpack vibes lol
stoic spruce
I'm not getting those vibes tbh
wintry dew
Tell him popo
stoic spruce
I don't feel like an early release date/no ptr accurately determines the quality of WoW content.
wintry dew
Besides deathstalker
stoic spruce
Wdym
wintry dew
Dead hero tree
stoic spruce
Oh
wintry dew
Unplayable
stoic spruce
Yeah I mean there are flops for sure
wintry dew
Besides that I'm looking at a bright future
gleaming pawn
it's not just a flop
stoic spruce
But as a whole not really
gleaming pawn
it's literally broken
stoic spruce
Right
Sounds like a flop
Lol
Flop
Dead on the floor
Fixing the trees isn't as hard as it's made out to seem design wise. Though under the hood, is a different story.
Which is where I'd assume all the time is going.
wintry dew
All assassination needs is beta 2.0 (aka 11.1)
wintry dew
Okay I'm just dooming for no reason, gotta have faith
(I also managed to create a rogue named Fatebound)
gleaming pawn
the Assassination doom would be non-existent if they'd given us even one sentence saying they are aware is trash and they are working on it. Like they did with the trickster feint backlash
stoic spruce
Yeah I'm just waiting for prepatch to be disappointed that outlaw is still playing crackshot and then playing that until Bo6
wintry dew
the Assassination doom would be non-existent if they'd given us even one sentenc...
70 days to go
We might see changes
stoic spruce
A lot of weeks
gleaming pawn
We might see changes
that's what Rogue says every expansion, and we keep getting burned
restive pebble
what causes the filial duty ring to proc?
stoic spruce
Fire damage
wintry dew
We aren't
restive pebble
so im not sure where we getting it from
outer sky
Can someone give me some advice on 3v3? Im not doing any damage. by the time I have garrote and rupture and CT up on everyone it's time to reapply it to someone it's about to fall off of and so I end up never doing a real "go" on someone because I'm always maintining bleeds
stoic spruce
Any fire damage
gleaming pawn
all they have to do is take the mage dick out of their mouth for 5 seconds and post that they are working on it, there's no excuse for this lack of comms anymore
restive pebble
where does our fire dmg come from tho
stoic spruce
I think it has some of its own no?
wintry dew
so im not sure where we getting it from
The ring goes up to 535, has good mastery, that's why some players get it. Not for the shield proc
gleaming pawn
what causes the filial duty ring to proc?
you aren't running the filial ring for the proc. It's purely for the giga mastery
wintry dew
But you gotta pve
To make the ring worth it
Or at least make it faster to upgrade in case you cant play at 2.1k and above rating regularly
restive pebble
yea
twin burrow
i get it, sub tricktser the gameplay doesnt really change, whereas other specs are completely identifying with their new trees.. is what it is i guess, if its not broken dont fix it maybe..
would be dope if they just had pvp servers tho, with a seperate small team to balance it. but hey, i just enjoy having fun what do i know 
restive pebble
hmm so its better to just use a diff ring till then
steel scarab
Or you could do what I did and just play a billion games at 2100, you get aspect crests
You actually get them WAY faster now, they buffed the arena drop rate of crests
stoic spruce
i get it, sub tricktser the gameplay doesnt really change, whereas other specs a...
I mean really, every class has an almost entirely passive tree for a spec or two.
Like rider for dk
All the hunter trees
twin burrow
as in gameplay doesnt really change?
wintry dew
I was checking out dark ranger for MM/BM since my gf plays hunter and boy that looks and sounds awesome, unlike death stalker
twin burrow
yeah these seem more like throwing a bone then actually creating a new feature to get excited about
stoic spruce
"An hunter"
wintry dew
Fixed
stoic spruce
Too late
twin burrow
yeah i uploaded to X
twin burrow
yeah its viral
stoic spruce
Honestly I'm glad there are entirely passive trees
wintry dew
Popo go read dark ranger
stoic spruce
That way you could just set your spec to it and forget it without any gameplay changes
wintry dew
And check how cool and passive it is
stoic spruce
They change it at all since it was announced?
stoic spruce
I remember it was cool. I'll look at it again.
wintry dew
It just revolves around dark arrow into more aimedshots/killshots
It's actually pretty dope
twin burrow
then they make trees like fatebound that are kinda cool but also not practical or enjoyable at all.. at least in pvp, setups are dead.. u just need damage and to do it as easy as possible. a la, PVE
wintry dew
It literally reinforces your spec
wintry dew
then they make trees like fatebound that are kinda cool but also not practical o...
Sounds like DF s4
twin burrow
we wanted solo shuffle, we got it 
wintry dew
I remember it was cool. I'll look at it again.
And thematically makes sense
twin burrow
"i only shuffle to get the elite set" there is nothing that hurts more then reading these words
stoic spruce
Looking at it and yeah it's cool
wintry dew
"i only shuffle to get the elite set" there is nothing that hurts more then read...
Don't quote me
gleaming pawn
yeah, calling us out like that
twin burrow
i quote "I only shuffle to get the elite set"
-Royal, sepsis enjoyer. PvP Destroyer.
wintry dew
Before SS I was doing 2s for it
Actually during S1 I reached 1.9(?) in 2s before setting foot in SS
twin burrow
before SS i was addicted to dope, so honestly it helped my ego getting elite
in all seriousness i like SS im just salty that ladder is dyinggg faster then me verses a real rogue
wintry dew
Blame the bad rewards / hours in queu
stoic spruce
RiP survival hunter btw
wintry dew
A normal person doesn't enjoy looking at the screen for 30/40 minutes before a queu pop
quaint cedar
Would help if blizzard stopped making 50 different versions of the game and splitting the playerbase up
steel scarab
While you're absolutely correct that the playerbase is ridiculously fragmented, adding more people to the queue will absolutely not shorten queue times. The only way to fix SS queue times are:
-
somehow increase the number of healers queueing SS. Could be done via either introducing really desirable cosmetic rewards for healing, or by adding really well scripted bot healers.
-
somehow reduce Solo Shuffle's complete and utter reliance on healers. When 90% of the playerbase just wants to dps and only 10% want to heal, building Solo Shuffle mode around the assumption that 33% of the players involved will heal just doesn't add up
jolly sierra
/eye
restive pebble
anyone here play ww as well, need some keybind advice. pm me
opal bone
While you're absolutely correct that the playerbase is ridiculously fragmented, ...
solo shuffle but with 2's double dps
maybe that could work
plucky escarp
Aside from RMP, what are some historical fun comps? Me and the boys play KFC (Hunter, Arms, Hpriest/Prevoker) around 2k rn (which is usually when we stop q’ing lol). It’s not a super fun comp.
We tried RMP last season and it just didn’t work for us.
I would play any rogue spec, the healer friend will play disc/hpriest or prevoker
sick wasp
after i replied his emote
thats crazy 
jolly sierra
thats crazy <:monkaStare:754408631570661547>
ye, guy ate all the bait
stoic spruce
solo shuffle but with 2's double dps
Double rogue would dominate that bracket lol
tardy rock
Hey all, quick question regarding assa, do you usually send deathmark on the opener or do you wait for your second go till kingsbane and shadow dance are up? I mostly play solo shuffle if that matters
tardy rock
I usually send dance and kingsbane in opener
I’ll play around with DM in opener as well
sick wasp
Ok 101 rogue opener(In most situations considering rated pvp) :
1)Sap healer
2)Open hard on dps(with cds ofc)
(yes that applies to shuffle)
dapper chasm
Sub is considered by top rogues to be the best spec
chrome spear
Why everyone playing assa?
dapper chasm
They're not top rogues
dapper chasm
Barely men
chrome spear
Assa easy
surreal barn
I’m surprised sub didn’t get more of a buff lol
dapper chasm
I don't feel it needed one
jolly sierra
cuz assa does more pressure across all specs ATM
sick wasp
Sub is considered by top rogues to be the best spec
sub is the best in general.its when sht gets real
sub doesnt rly work with pressure,more like heavyweight nuking
grave basin
RiP survival hunter btw
sadge
sick wasp
more like u live or die
grave basin
i hope hunter rework gets posted today
sick wasp
plz no
grave basin
plz yes
grave basin
bro youre doing slave labour
sick wasp
anyway played two ruins map did 4-2
he loves me like a god man
idk
cant say no to the kid
grave basin
haha how old is he
grave basin
tell him youll cap for him if he does 200 pushups first
sick wasp
ahhahahaha
grave basin
gotta earn his way
sick wasp
there is no cap,i just got him to challenger 2 iirc
but the thing is that
u play maps like ruins bro
3 hunters
u just try to loss them all the time
grave basin
OR
grave basin
youre the hunter and it's dk+pala+arms warrior
sick wasp
no mid ground
grave basin
in ruins
grave basin
or
OR
youre the hunter and it's dk pala arms in blades edge season 1
when every arms was playing spear
wanton breach
this might be interesting for TWW
grave basin
theres an anti rogue one too
iirc you take 15% less damage while stunned or something like that
wanton breach
iirc you take 15% less damage while stunned or something like that
that is one of the pvp blood gem things
grave basin
@wanton breach what dagger do you think suits the 2.1 illusion this season best?
@wintry dew
i managed to bug out the perditions blade for it but maybe you have a better idea
fluid summit
hello everyone I’m new here but I’m a baby assassin rogue looking for advice. I’m not full bis gear (mainly just have conq gear) but I feel like I barely do enough damage to finish people off (my opener with bleeds applied get them close to death) but then I just get zugged and murdered. I feel like PvP is over within the first 15 seconds usually, especially for me because without kingsbane or death mark up I can’t output as much as I should be.
I also just don’t know what to do against BM hunters and wind walkers ): I’m just slowed until I die even with defensive CDs. Every other spec I’ve found ways to deal with.
wintry dew
Did you do the ol' trick of putting the illusion on a weapon, then changing to perdition and voilá?
Also I don't think I've ever seen the illusion in hd (this seasons one)
surreal barn
Works great on a couple of the legion kingslayer skins
grave basin
Did you do the ol' trick of putting the illusion on a weapon, then changing to p...
yes i used le ol trick
@surreal barn which?
also you cant just mog one legion weapon at a time right
surreal barn
You can
grave basin
hmm?
lone goblet
hello everyone I’m new here but I’m a baby assassin rogue looking for advice. I’...
Unfortunetely the game isn't balanced for dueling at all. Team based pvp balance is the closest we get, which means a healer and long fights based more about sustained pressure or key moments of CC to get kills.
surreal barn
I used the bottom yellow two from the left
In your pic
Those with the enchant and netherblade set looked sweet together
lone goblet
Assassin is pretty good at both sustained pressure, and CC so we are decent in arenas.
Even if we can't 1v1 anyone (not sure I havent dueled in years).
fluid summit
I see I think I’m just trash af haha. I got 2.1k v easily as devoker but rogue just seems so miserable to play even though I like the playstyle.
maybe I just commit too hard to after I sack their defensives.
lone goblet
I see I think I’m just trash af haha. I got 2.1k v easily as devoker but rogue j...
Put rupture and garrotte on everyone, if your in 3's then put CT on them too.
that will give you fast energy and damage everyone
You can use offensive cooldowns if you want but they are honestly pretty weak since so many classes can immune them or cleanse them
its more about just keeping bleeds up for 4 minutes straight until the enemy healer falls behind and you blind them and someone dies
fluid summit
Oooh i see Ive been playing completely different and try to single target burst+bleed them out.
Thank you for this insight I really appreciate it (:
lone goblet
Also, remember to stun someone whenever they are off diminishing returns.
rogue stuns are strong and cooldown fast
use it
fluid summit
Should I use fan of knives as a combo generator instead of mutilate? (do pets increase FOK’s damage?)
lone goblet
Sometimes, and yes
pets increase the combo points at least
If people are grouped up, or lots of pets, then fok is better
lone goblet
with 1 or 2 targets mutileate is better
grave basin
make sure youre running the flying daggers talent
fluid summit
sweet thank you guys!
grave basin
try and spread as much ebola as possible
improved garrotes with your vanish or meld or dance
only KB with dance and badge up
and always remember to shiv
fluid summit
so whenever I use KB I use poisoned knife a lot since it applies lethal/non lethal poisons
wintry dew
sweet thank you guys!
extremely important stuff: We are rogues we play dirty
fluid summit
does it stack?
wintry dew
yeah you're fucking all your dmg
fluid summit
fuckkkkkk
grave basin
so whenever I use KB I use poisoned knife a lot since it applies lethal/non leth...
erm..
fluid summit
okay maybe that’s an issue HAHAHA
wintry dew
A good KB needs you to have slice and dice up, envenom buff up, and auto-attacking the target as much as you can
fluid summit
I thought since PK applies non lethal and KB damage increases due to it it’s a good way to ramp up KB damage
grave basin
ngl the last hit of KB usually doesnt end the match
its more of the first hit that chunks
it takes so long to ramp and deal damage
fluid summit
A good KB needs you to have slice and dice up, envenom buff up, and auto-attacki...
Gotcha
grave basin
also remember to try and be above 150 energy
as much as you can
an example of an arena match
sanguine blades is quite a lot of your dam
wintry dew
Assa rogue is just a glorified Affliction warlock rn
grave basin
with kidney shot
wintry dew
dot everything and everyone and their dogs
Thats why most people also play crimson tempest
grave basin
ye crimson tempest is the bees knees
fluid summit
Damn I didn’t realize sanguine did that much. my energy usage is very liberal. I overly rely on thistle tea. playing devoker and Ret paladin has just made me face roll my keyboard most of the time on instinct when I get nervous lmfao
fluid summit
Ooo okay got it (: I’m excited to put this into practice when I get home. you guys are the best.
surreal barn
ngl the last hit of KB usually doesnt end the match
Lucky if it’s not dispelled by then too
grave basin
ive been dropping acro and playing cold blood KB
they never expect the 300k crit to the face
fluid summit
I know I’m doing things wrong, but I don’t know specifics or have anyone that has been able to give me specific guidance. So I appreciate it. Take it easy y’all!
Does cold blood proc on KB?
I swear it hasn’t been working for me. I’ve macrod it it hasn’t worked and i don’t see CB go on CD after I KB
when I manually do it
surreal barn
It works
grave basin
it works but only on the first hit
surreal barn
Your crit chance is higher than 50% even without cold blood I would forego it
The 95k rupture ticks are what wins games
wintry dew
You guys make me want to do some pvp this season
wintry dew
that answer was not for me, but it was real
surreal barn
Gear lol
wintry dew
gear + crafted gear + probably Diurna's ring
wintry dew
he is, with BLS
grave basin
BLS + one footwrap and youre at 100 mastery?
wintry dew
and gems, and crafted gear to cover slots where you dont have conquest mast
grave basin
but i have full crafted and conqeust
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
my seal ring is at 8/14 though
wintry dew
just to be sure
grave basin
i dont think fully upgraded is gonna be 15% mast
wintry dew
are you talking about your stats IN PVP combat?
grave basin
yes in pvp im at 84%
wintry dew
because you can only see real values when you hit a pvp dummy
wintry dew
hit a pvp dummy
grave basin
are you telling me ive been playing with 15% less mastery
all this time
cause that's a fuckload
wintry dew
Where don't you have mastery?
grave basin
my head is verse mast, my belt and bracers are crafted life-bound
also verse mast
my neck and cape and conq ring are all verse mast
wintry dew
then BSL really doing some work
surreal barn
Take the mastery offhand dagger
surreal barn
I can’t see the rest of your pic
Copy my alt rogue Openers
I have been mainly trying to learn hunter this season, don’t look at Zeiss he’s behind on gear
grave basin
because you can only see real values when you hit a pvp dummy
so the main diff
is the mastery dagger
wintry dew
and BSL
grave basin
and the crafted ring
wintry dew
or do you have BSL?
surreal barn
Engi head and wrists
grave basin
yea i have BSL
surreal barn
You can get by with just the wrists but that means more crafteds of the other stuff
grave basin
man i have no more sparks
why are we still getting 1 half spark every week
at this late into the season
surreal barn
Don’t fall too too low on the versa
grave basin
bro im at 40% verse