pvp

[jolly sierra]

the cloak

[waxen meteor]

I am so so confused on my remix DK char

I feel so lost reading the skills pff

[steel scarab]

Jesus god I am so close

Why am I so disproportionately good at fighting a 2 warrior lobby and so mediocre at fighting all the other meta classes

[waxen meteor]

awesome!

btw, if you are in double war lobby like this, when you are with one warrior, i strongly recommend you to withdraw wound and wound talents, go deadly

[steel scarab]

oh that makes a lot of sense, I should have done that

does fury have MS too?

2352 D:

[waxen meteor]

Fury does but less reliable

[nova viper]

Duuude i just kidding

[twin quest]

any good videos on learning how to play? first time rogue

assass

[past trout]

check out #assassination-faq

ah pvp, well

i'd say just youtube "assassination rogue pvp"

[wintry dew]

Yeah if assassination, shadenox on YouTube is a good source of reliable material

[indigo violet]

Yo team - if not going night Elf (I have one and making a 2nd Rogue) which class is best for PVP? Or is Shadowmeld OP and the rest much of much?

[wanton breach]

orc is still strong, gnome is also underrated

[steel scarab]

Well

Ended last night with a 1-5 lol

Down to 2300

[halcyon timber]

You will do it Wild, you’re an example of persistence and that us a very powerful trait to have.

[steel scarab]

Thanks, trying my best!

[twin quest]

is there a good pvp bleed tracker weak aura?

[steel scarab]

I use Aefnar's pve one that Whispyr edited

[gleaming pawn]

Just remember, Zanaken tapped out at only 1950

[steel scarab]

Oof

In fairness sub is hard in SS

(But oof)

[median umbra]

Second this, his content is really helpful. Especially when he breaks down his game plan

[karmic summit]

is the pvp training dummy in valdrakken bugged? i seem to be doing much more dmg to it than when i am in a arena

[dapper chasm]

Playing a support spec where what I am forced to support is soft turds

You try, but often they just slip through your fingers

I don't feel I hit a "wall" like Mr Wildsoul, I feel I came across a grind

A grind I shall not do and say I did

[surreal barn]

When you feel like you’re not learning anymore is when it gets frustrating

[dapper chasm]

Nah, it's not even that

I feel like they're not learning anymore

Back in my day, if you played with people who were 2k-ish, they were decent

But I've seen some right bum-gems float up to 2k+

Plus I just feel so already accomplished with my Pristine Containment Pack - it's everything I wanted and more

https://tenor.com/view/i-got-everything-i-wanted-nathan-jimmy-valmer-classi-south-park-gif-20622156

I just spend my time looking at it

Although I'm open to ideas if anyone knows how to display it more than 4 times on screen

[surreal barn]

1950 this season is pretty low

Imo

I think you post a video and we get you up higher

😎

[steel scarab]

I mean I said I hit a wall, but I guess it's really a grind

Because I'm still climbing and improving

It's just very slow and very difficult

[surreal barn]

On Hunter every time I die I’m like damn I didn’t use half my skills

[steel scarab]

I feel like, every match, I need 100% focus and 110% dedication to win at least 4 games

There are also the games I'll toss a Kingsbane into a DH the second he activates blur and miss

There are also the games I'll Blind the healer the second he does something that makes Blind miss

[surreal barn]

DHs

[steel scarab]

I get disarmed almost every time I dance, and there are the games I get impatient and Cloak the disarm, only to not secure the kill and lose a long match because I run out of defensives

I am absolutely certain my winrate would increase if I had those SFX alarms people use to alert them enemies used dangerous abilities

[surreal barn]

I’ve legit tasted the nut sack of every DH from 1800-1950 at this point

[steel scarab]

But I sincerely feel that's cheating

[surreal barn]

All up on me

[steel scarab]

There's no doubt in my mind that 90% of the people I play against have sirens that go off whenever I cast Shadow Dance

[surreal barn]

Change eye beam to a crotch shooting splooge beam and no one will be able to tell the difference

[surreal barn]

Oh no doubt

[steel scarab]

There is no way most normal humans have the sort of reaction time people consistently have at the 2000+ level without some kind of add on screeching at them to disable me

[surreal barn]

It is worse for sub

Every go your first global is usually cc’ing the guy that would have cc’d you because of them weakauras

[steel scarab]

So frustrating

To be perfectly honest

[gilded gulch]

DH is so goofy

any melee lobby feels like a free 6-0

[steel scarab]

And I'm not trying to sound better than anyone else, because I don't think I'm super great. But if everyone suddenly had no add ons, I am positive my rating would go up significantly

Because I use almost no add ons, and everyone else does

[waxen meteor]

well 1800 dhs are easy to deal with!

they just press W forever

you can easily kill them

[gilded gulch]

Mog is the easiest skill increase

[steel scarab]

Also, and this will probably sound insane

[waxen meteor]

tbh i think ret is better at melee lobby now

[steel scarab]

A lot of games I win without Smoke Bomb

[waxen meteor]

Smoke bomb is soooo good if you teammate is onboard

[gilded gulch]

I have too much self respect to play ret

but maybe

[waxen meteor]

like when they are full bleeding, healer on pillar

kidney + bomb

[steel scarab]

And like, I see opportunities in games where it's like, yeah if I had bombed here we would've won. But I've found so often I mess up my bombs, or they trinket, or their trinket is on cd but the priest runs in and fears me, or whatever

[gilded gulch]

maybe ill get warrior cosmetics

[waxen meteor]

teammate DH does one single blade dance = kill done bascially

[gilded gulch]

since i have fyralath on that char

[waxen meteor]

forcing a trinket is good enough

as a pvp talent

already

[steel scarab]

Is it? Maybe, idk, you're probably right

[waxen meteor]

bomb can be used when you don't have big cds, but positions are good for kill

[steel scarab]

I absolutely hate the talent

[waxen meteor]

or if your teammate has cd you don't

[steel scarab]

I would absolutely love it if it didn't cost a global

[waxen meteor]

(like DH, always have a cd)

[gilded gulch]

no off global bomb would be

beyond busted

lmfao

[steel scarab]

I despise that it's on the gcd

[waxen meteor]

it's okay, as sin, without main cds

you send kidney

[gilded gulch]

Yeah I hate getting a trinket for free

[waxen meteor]

your globals are not super important

it's more about the position of healer

[gilded gulch]

Bomb is already good just for the fact

most people panic when they get stunned into one

[waxen meteor]

i mean if it's done at good time/position, you have to be panic

[steel scarab]

Many people panic when I use it defensively

[waxen meteor]

even with no offensive cd

[gilded gulch]

yeah if you bomb them in a bad spot even without commiting offense

its very easy to see 1-2 trinkets

[steel scarab]

Here's a question!

[waxen meteor]

say you have garrot/rupture/ct on, you send a kidney and bomb, as long as your teammate can contribute sth, even healer

it's very deadly

and all global we need is just a shiv

probably mostly done before kidney anyway

not really short of globals in that scenarios

[steel scarab]

How the fuck do I beat frost mages at this level? I used to slaughter them, but at this skill level they almost always beat me, and conversely, when I'm paired with them, I almost always lose.

[waxen meteor]

and most time, the enemy healer would also try to come over

[gilded gulch]

Idk you pillar

[steel scarab]

I don't really understand their burst windows

[waxen meteor]

then you can send him/her some gauge as gift

lots of healers would try to get in bomb

[gilded gulch]

or yk if playing with a mage

[steel scarab]

And I don't know which of their attacks are the dangerous ones

[gilded gulch]

healer walks into his los to get sheeped

[waxen meteor]

but when they arrive, bomb alreayd gone, and he gets close for cc

some healer hides very good against cc

in those scenarios, bomb is super cruciel

[gilded gulch]

yeah idk bomb is one of the more dangerous buttons we have

it just forces sm for a global

[waxen meteor]

yeah

some healers just prefer the 'I go mana game'

[steel scarab]

I'll keep practicing bomb, I just hate it

[waxen meteor]

so they hide deep/far away

[gilded gulch]

If it was off global dear god...

actually broken ngl

[waxen meteor]

and it's almost impossible to cc them

you gotta have a way to get them

[steel scarab]

I just hate it as sin. 1 min longer cd than sub so you almost always only get one chance to kill with it per match

[gilded gulch]

the combat drop due to bomb

is the best tbh

[steel scarab]

Here's another question

[waxen meteor]

i actually am not that comfortable with duel

[gilded gulch]

Or if you're someone like pika and distract someone so it takes them 1s longer to get into the bomb

[waxen meteor]

mainly because i bind it with some burst macro

[gilded gulch]

and the drop combat and get sapped

[waxen meteor]

so i dont use duel well

[steel scarab]

Why is it that a few tines I've been behind a pillar, definitely not in combat for like 10+ seconds, and I still cannot restealth

[gilded gulch]

due to that

[waxen meteor]

and it takes too much energy

[steel scarab]

And I start screaming at my pc screen

HOW THE FUCK AM I STILL IN COMBAT

[gilded gulch]

dots

[steel scarab]

Dots don't count as being in combat

[waxen meteor]

some dots do, seems bug

[steel scarab]

Yeah that is fucking cancer

If so

[waxen meteor]

i remember some dots even from us is creating those bug

[gilded gulch]

Yeah idk if you're playing with a pries

and he's half decent he will shield you

before you re

[waxen meteor]

last season, the dup dot from sub tier

i remember is one example

that can keep druid out of drinking forever

pffff

[gilded gulch]

there are a plethora of stealth bugs

[waxen meteor]

most druid gets so confused

[steel scarab]

There are definitely problems with getting out of combat but idk exactly what they are.

[gilded gulch]

mw soothing mist

can knock you out of stealth

[steel scarab]

Yeah! My own healer

[gilded gulch]

evoker lego will also knock you

[steel scarab]

Healed me and it ruined my opener

[gilded gulch]

if you get the buff

[steel scarab]

BC it knocked me out

[dapper chasm]

/shrug - wasn't a struggle

[waxen meteor]

I really cannot enjoy voker

[steel scarab]

And he was like whoops I didn't know it did that

[waxen meteor]

voker range is like ret pffff

[dapper chasm]

Also, Zeiss, your face is bad and you should feel bad

[waxen meteor]

but they do have permanent freedom on them

[gilded gulch]

I like how people complained about hpriest ward in SL

[waxen meteor]

among all casters i tried, still like SP the most

[gilded gulch]

so in DF they gave dragons

nullifying shrou

[waxen meteor]

so i redo sp this season

pretty fun

[gilded gulch]

honestly rpx is still my favorite rogue comp

rmp is just boring

[waxen meteor]

i actually didn't even read lots of SP talents

on shadow side

[steel scarab]

So wait, can we talk about frost mages again?

1. what are their burst windows?
2. am I right to kick the Power (idk the name) self channel they do? I have no idea what it does, it just seems scary
3. what is the cd of ice Block? I know they can't use it with frostbite but what's the actual cd of the ability? Does it still have 2 charges?

[waxen meteor]

they are written in very complciated text

something vanish something polute, something blabla

what the hell are they

[waxen meteor]

Frost?
They burst two ways

[steel scarab]

4. if I have a mage teammate I basically don't bother using Fan of Knives, because the number of Polymorphs I've broken as I've learned is too damn high

Yes

[gilded gulch]

I mean

[waxen meteor]

First, the plant the bomb, which will explode in a few seconds, they will try to max the dmg over the explode moment with freeze effect

[gilded gulch]

spamming aoe has always been a trap

[waxen meteor]

Second, the ray

[gilded gulch]

playing rm

[steel scarab]

The bomb being, Frost Bomb I think?

[waxen meteor]

Yes

[steel scarab]

Puts an aoe on ground right

[waxen meteor]

ice block cd is very long, like bubble

frost mage has 2 charges

[steel scarab]

I see

And it heals them

[waxen meteor]

or let's say this, not really 2 charges, but they can reset block cd

[steel scarab]

It seems some specs it doesn't self heal

[gilded gulch]

Idk I feel the rules against mage have never changed

[waxen meteor]

but concept is similar

it's literally the same as sub rogue years ago

[gilded gulch]

poly is still #1 kick prio if your team isnt on dr

[dapper chasm]

I know they had 2 but thought it was cold snap

[steel scarab]

Cold snap

[waxen meteor]

where you have an ability to reset most of your cd

[steel scarab]

Like preparation

[waxen meteor]

yes

[dapper chasm]

Fucking owned

[steel scarab]

I remember the ability from classic

[waxen meteor]

yeah

[gilded gulch]

doesnt snap only reset block

and frost nova

[waxen meteor]

only frost gets two block

[steel scarab]

I was an unbelievable duelist in classic / vanilla

I knew everything

[gilded gulch]

classic

[steel scarab]

Now I know absolutely nothing

[waxen meteor]

[gilded gulch]

you mean consumables and pve gear

[dapper chasm]

You learned CLASSIC?

[steel scarab]

No I mean dueling outside the cities

[dapper chasm]

ALL OF IT?

All 3 abilities?

[steel scarab]

ALL OF IT

[dapper chasm]

I refuse to believe it

[gilded gulch]

classic is a very hard game wdym

mages pressing forstbolt

[steel scarab]

4 ABILITIES, WE ALSO HAD IMPROVED GOUGE

[gilded gulch]

for 5minutes

[dapper chasm]

Very hard

[waxen meteor]

I do love the time when CS + Kidney = 4+6

[gilded gulch]

oh look

kidney got resisted

XDXD

[dapper chasm]

As a player from Cata (last time the game was relevant) I say that Cata was the peak of skill

[steel scarab]

In fairness, beating a good frost mage in a 1v1 duel in classic is much harder then beating one in DF. Just

[waxen meteor]

Nuh i think cata is so bad

[steel scarab]

In DF beating a good one who's being healed feels impossible

[dapper chasm]

You're wrong, that's ok

[gilded gulch]

duels are such a bad metric

[waxen meteor]

it's the version when everybody started to have same skill

[gilded gulch]

duels dont have los

[dapper chasm]

Can't hear you over the recup, bro

[gilded gulch]

What's that

[waxen meteor]

wow literally started to become a game every class became more or less same skills, just different skins/names

reached the peak a bit later in panda

[gilded gulch]

cant hear you over getting cheaped and dead in 2 gcds from cunning warlock

I'm gonna be honest if you started pvp in panda

especially as a healer

you probably needed a free ticket to therapy

[waxen meteor]

panda is the version where we rogues need to maintain recovery and slice/dice all time right>?

[gilded gulch]

yes

[waxen meteor]

that was a bit really boring expansion

rogue plays like a warrior

[gilded gulch]

poly

poly poly

fear fear fear

cyclone

[dapper chasm]

Mushroom, mushroom

[gilded gulch]

oh look rdruid dead

jk iceblock

[waxen meteor]

I still remember the recovery finisher was added on my mouse scroll down pfff

the arena games were kinda....

really scorll up recovery, scroll down for slice/dice

forever

[dapper chasm]

In my day, combo points had to be transferred manually

[waxen meteor]

that was a cata skill

[dapper chasm]

And Tricks of the trade gave 10% to your bro

[waxen meteor]

in my day, you cant even manually transfer

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-magic-lion-witch-narnia-dont-recite-gif-14879671

[waxen meteor]

i like tbc/wlk pvp

just at end of the expac

rogue life is hard

[dapper chasm]

Wotlk was amazing, burst but generally fair

[waxen meteor]

like wlk s8

[dapper chasm]

Hnnng

[waxen meteor]

we can;t do anything to anyone with a shield

those armors

[dapper chasm]

Pff

[waxen meteor]

like hpal

we are like hitting an invincbile object

[dapper chasm]

Nah, you were just bad, bro - it's ok

[waxen meteor]

I was in first page of 2s

but anyway...

[dapper chasm]

Everyone was

[waxen meteor]

and i have all pve gear

[steel scarab]

I mean I don't have a hat to throw in the ring, but skill is subjective, dueling a warrior in DF feels like a joke, whereas dueling a warrior in vanilla was a nightmare

[dapper chasm]

Maybe you should duel people better than you?

[steel scarab]

The game was very difficult, in different ways

[dapper chasm]

Yes, keeping all that poon off yourself

The ladies went wild for WoW back in the day

[gilded gulch]

💀

[steel scarab]

Right, but my point is, dueling even a BAD warrior in classic was insanely difficult

Whereas dueling even a good warrior in DF isn't particularly hard

[dapper chasm]

I have 3 duels under my belt in DF

I wouldn't know

[steel scarab]

I've won almost every duel anyone's challenged me to in DF once I got pvp gear

[dapper chasm]

I haven't even done a dungeon, just BGs and SS

You wouldn't best me

I have what it takes

[steel scarab]

It would be sad if i did, since you're sub, and can spec into the physical cloak

If you lost, you'd be pretty bad

[gilded gulch]

duels are not a metric of skill

in modern wow

[steel scarab]

I agree, and that's my point

[dapper chasm]

Sounds like something a loser would say

[steel scarab]

The game isn't balanced around them anymore

It's balanced around having a healer

[waxen meteor]

Duels were fun back in the days

[steel scarab]

Which makes dueling a good healer literally almost impossible now

[waxen meteor]

Or because we had nothing else to do

I spent days in duels too

Actually more than in arena

The problem is CD too long

[steel scarab]

But my point stands that duels back in the day were indeed a test of skill and dueling some classes was insanely difficult despite there being fewer buttons to press

[dapper chasm]

Shit, I didn't know you were cool

Can we be friends?

I too dueled like it was going out of style

The sad thing being

It eventually did

[steel scarab]

Being a strong duelist does make you better able to handle yourself in pvp though

Like I don't think I'd be where I'm ranked having not played the game since WOTLK if I didn't duel my ass off to get a good foundation

Back then

For all my (long list of) deficiencies, having that groundwork definitely helped me I think

[dapper chasm]

So... you brute forced skill

[steel scarab]

Now, can we get back to how to beat frost mages because idk what any of their abilities do anymore

[dapper chasm]

As sub I find them pretty easy

To stick to anyhow

[steel scarab]

Ditto Death Knights, I basically just ignore them and just assume they are going to slowly kill me if I don't slowly kill them first

[dapper chasm]

They seem squishy outside CDs

[steel scarab]

DKs? What are their scary defensives? The one with an obvious animation is antimagic zone

Which i assume reduces magic damage, which i assume includes poison dmg

Monks? Literally no fucking idea what they do, other than the little fist icon means "use a big defensive or die"

[dapper chasm]

Avoid the eye for an eye shit

DKs have a anti-stun defensive

[steel scarab]

Here's probably a dumb question

Why are casters sometimes non interruptable and non stunnable? Is that a talent? It seems like they intentionally interrupt their own cast and then cast it again, protected by uninterruptability

Is this a talent? Or does every caster have this?

And if everyone has it, what's the cooldown? Or, what's the name so I can look it up?

[dapper chasm]

If they get kicked without casting, they get a buff to stop CC

It's an embellishment

[steel scarab]

So when that happens it means a teammate has counterspelled or something and missed

[dapper chasm]

Yep

[steel scarab]

Because this happens without me actually kicking

It's so goddamn annoying

[dapper chasm]

Unless it's a priest with their mini evasion

[steel scarab]

No many classes have it

So it's not priest only

[dapper chasm]

Then it's the juke-buff

[steel scarab]

Absolutely cursed

But great to know what it is

[dapper chasm]

Well, missing a kick and then just gouging was kinda cursed

[steel scarab]

Sure, though gouge has a 20 second cd and breaks on damage, so

Seems relatively fair

Oh also

[dapper chasm]

lol, na son

[steel scarab]

Positioning requirement

[dapper chasm]

It was never fair

[steel scarab]

I talked about this a month ago

[dapper chasm]

You gotta realise that we play a class that gets CCd less than any other

[steel scarab]

Fairly sure gouge is the only cc in the entire game with a positioning requirement

[dapper chasm]

What would you trade it for?

[steel scarab]

No positioning requirement and have it last 0.5 seconds less duration

I'd take that in a heartbeat

[dapper chasm]

As it stands, it can allow for resaps for another 4 seconds if you get them in LoS

Or if they are smoked etc

Just need 2 seconds on top

I'd take Gouge over nearly anything, even Poly

[steel scarab]

I don't think people find that type of gameplay to be fun

[worthy tree]

gouge is one of the best ccs in pvp imo

[steel scarab]

Being cc'ed for 10 straight seconds, even if it requires masterful execution, isn't fun

Considering they've pruned back the cc duration recently they probably agree with my sentiment

[dapper chasm]

The main thing that makes rogue cc so strong is that we can spread out and reset DRs and literally reset them as they come off

[steel scarab]

Which is also why rogue+rogue in SS is absolutely cursed, because we overlap all our cc

[worthy tree]

very few specs can hold a cc that long especially in a 2's or 3's scenario and thats the trade off for rogue, cc is one of the biggest weapons you can use but most rogue players dont utilize it enough

[steel scarab]

I love fighting rogues but absolutely despise when they're on my team

[worthy tree]

that just comes with game knowledge, if youre constantly running into DR's then you have to adapt

[steel scarab]

Right but how do you adapt? You are playing 2 games of 6 with this random rogue on your team who keeps ruining the DR on all targets. You yourself just said cc is a rogue's biggest strength, but if the other rogue is sending full stuns on opponents at full hp, how do you kill anyone?

Do you just take your hand off the mouse and start whispering the rogue mid game lmao

[worthy tree]

i mean if ur running into rogues only cc'ing then you have to get higher rating, you arent gonna see a rogue in 2k+ sending a kidney on a full health healer and expecting you guys to do something else unless theyre setting up

theres a point in wow when you cant blame teammates and the game and you have to submit to the harsh reality that its not an easy game with a low skill ceiling even at lower ratings. watch a good rogue play sub and see how they set up go's and why they do it, IE pressure, baiting defensives/trinkets, kill potential

rogue is not a class you can just start playing and find success on im not sure how long youve been playing but it will be at least a few months before you can expect to just gain rating and dominate games like you see some rogues do

[steel scarab]

1. I'm 2300 and I've seen what i just described

2. I played vanilla, tbc, wotlk, SL, and DF

The game is incredibly hard and I do a lot right and a lot wrong, but there's very little time to communicate during SS and sometimes a round is just a lost cause

[worthy tree]

what spec do you main

[steel scarab]

In terms of pvp, I basically seriously tried in arena this season, last season, and WOTLK before that

So there is a monstrous knowledge gap

Assassination

Both seasons

Last season it felt like absolute ass

This season it feels ok

[dapper chasm]

I have nearly 0 knowledge now, plus 3 new classes

But it's all the same tbh

Don't attack them if they have a shiny bubble or are glowing

Oh, and if your damage isn't hitting right

[steel scarab]

Yeah I'm notably worse at fighting all the new classes

Monk, DK

I do pretty good against the dragons

I actually do pretty well against DK

Destruction warlocks are either worthless idiots or crazy strong

Frost mages, same

[worthy tree]

i understand your argument its frustrating to nagivate SS but lowkey ur playing the spec with arguably the least amount of cc/defensives + after your burst you dont have much kill pressure and with the amount of healers/dps/races that can dispel bleeds youre going to run into trouble at some point but assa last season was pretty ass until end of season when ppl starting building mastery and realizing it has potential in some settings but you kinda have to just spam games. ur spec is only good in certain comps so youre gonna feel like youre constantly at a disadvantage compared to sub or outlaw but thats kinda just how the game is

it cant be completely balanced for everyone and if assa had as many defensives or cc utility as sub it would be broken af

[steel scarab]

You're basically just echoing what I said though

Some games just aren't winnable

[dapper chasm]

Sub is the best spec, yes

[worthy tree]

no thats valid but like what can you do

wait till TWW basically

or adapt to the shit game

[steel scarab]

Due to Elusiveness and Feint, some games I last pretty damn long

[dapper chasm]

I aint paying for another xpac, I already have my Pristine Containment Pack

[steel scarab]

But yeah we are made of paper compared to most classes

[dapper chasm]

What?!

We're fucking immortal

We can literally VANISH

Shadowstep on friendly targets is also insanely strong

Having a healer that respects you enough to not heal too much and focus on dispels is what you need

And stays back far enough that you can step anytime

[steel scarab]

Very handy but

Try that against a ww monk

They are so unbelievably fucking annoying

The only way is to kill them in a burst window

[dapper chasm]

You should rarely be a main target, if ever

And I don't mind pressure on me as our outs are all instant

I think you got ass problems, by being ass

I don't have any ass problems as a subtlety rogue

[worthy tree]

he makes good points^ another thing you can try is being more unpredictable, with your lack of utility and survivability you have to make plays and your windows will be much tighter and unforgiving in comparison to the other specs, for ww: pre disarm them if they try to set up a go or if they they pop ascension, if disarm is down gouge them in a spot where theyre in the open after a roll or flying kick, gouge them out of LOS of healer. Youre playing a feast or famine spec and youre undoubtedly going to run into trouble or games that arent winnable and thats just the nature of the game tbh. SS doesnt bring out a lot of highlights of wow just more troubling aspects that come with the contract, try 2's or 3's and im sure you wont be as frustrated with the coin flip side of matchmaking, or if you are really burnt out try Rated RBG's it can be way more fun trying to learn something that isnt so wildly based off of the other 5 people in the lobby compared to how you perform with a much larger team with a more concrete goal in mind and other objectives rather than just kill or die

[waxen meteor]

lol not sure when this screenshot was taken, found it somewhere online, counts of 2700+ CR in solo per spec for all regions

I found I happened to be playing top4 dps specs this sesason pfff

[steel scarab]

@dapper chasm it's clear you've never played assassination recently. I am almost always the main target. Sub is never the target because they're so slippery and also not dangerous outside the dance windows. Assassination is very vulnerable and does decent rot damage

The only times I'm not the target is if my teammate is a destro lock or a mage

[worthy tree]

are you night elf

[steel scarab]

Yes

[worthy tree]

i mean SS is SS idk if you played it before it was rated but it was always just a bit of a shit show, its fun to watch and its fun to play but taking it serious playing at a disadvantage is only going to screw with your mental

i recommend another bracket to at the very least take time away from SS because as much as you think about it and try to get better theres only so much you can do sometimes so dont let it get to ur head it doesnt mean youre bad or hardstuck sometimes you just need a break from it

[steel scarab]

I don't have anyone to play with though

[worthy tree]

you learn a lot about the spec playing other types of games where the objective isnt so sloppy, trying to live or get kills in a lobby where everyone is throwing out everything isnt gonna always work yk

lowkey i didnt either last szn so i just joined streamer rbg games

[steel scarab]

I played with my fiance when she was holy paladin, we hit a wall at 1600 lmao

[worthy tree]

you can meet tons of ppl good and bad

[steel scarab]

She would get holy locked a lot

[worthy tree]

thats a rough comp in 2's if the healer isnt high xp but if you use precog and dont hard cast a ton you can make it work to at least 2100

thats not the only tips but at least for the holy lock aspect

its not bad with sub tho idk if they changed blessing of the seasons buffs yet but you can throw out some nasty dam with sub and blessing of summer

i havent played holy pal since S3 so idk tho

[steel scarab]

Put it this way, I don't think I'm gonna get higher than 2300 with her in 2s considering we were stuck at 1600 lol

[worthy tree]

one of the biggest strengths you will find in a wow player is adaptability and accountability, if you find a good healer who can understand their mistakes or your collective ones and do better despite that while not letting ego dictate their gameplay or attitude you will be able to hit any rank u want but the same goes for you sometimes the best way to go forward is by examining your own performance and trying to do better despite losses

you also have to think about the comp youre playing especially if youre in the 2300 range sometimes youll just hit a wall and might need to change things up to progress from that point

[high gulch]

If I boosted a rogue, which bouillon (sp) would I use on for pvp

[worthy tree]

depends on the spec

[high gulch]

Sub

I have the pre-order boost and I don't wanna pay to change my human to NE lol

[worthy tree]

if you needed gear you could get seal of filial duty but haste isnt a stat you really want on sub

[high gulch]

Well I think it comes with 425?

[worthy tree]

youd be better off not getting something imo but if youre just gearing then the ring would be good

[high gulch]

And we get what 8 pieces?

Of bullion

[worthy tree]

im not exactly sure tbh

also depends on if you got 2 from the weekly like 2 weeks ago

[high gulch]

Oh no I would boost like this weekend lol

[worthy tree]

in that case i think 8 total however youd probably have to clear lfr norm and potentially heroic depending on ur drops

[high gulch]

So basically with sub I read mastery > vers > crit

I gotta find a sub rogue that specializes in rbgs to talk to still

I can't keep up with all the happenings of arenas

[worthy tree]

thats right, you want mastery and around 30% vers if you can get it, crit you can just work to breakpoints like 15%/25% sorta personal preference but mastery and vers are a must

[dapper chasm]

How dare you ping me during tv time with my wife

[worthy tree]

arenas is rough when youre new rbg's can help a lot with learning 1v1 situations

[dapper chasm]

MY WIFE

[worthy tree]

xD

[high gulch]

Well I did a lot of rbgs in SL s1 so I just need a refresher

Been playing since vanilla though I just can't handle arenas

[worthy tree]

SL to now feels like a new game to me sometimes, I lowkey miss SL sometimes

fleshcraft 😭

[dapper chasm]

[high gulch]

I'm just good at the strats of capturing flags and stuff

[worthy tree]

learn to press a bit of buttons to set up damage windows or you can find some macros that help with that a lot but capping or defending can be really good on sub if you can one shot or play to make them use defensives so you can set up one shot

[dapper chasm]

I struggle in BGs sometimes when it's over 5v1

Must be rusty

[worthy tree]

yeah in that case you dont really wanna be in there

you wanna isolate fights a lot with sub

[dapper chasm]

Rogue is bar-none the best defender and sneaky cap class

When I got a flag behind me, I let bitches know, this is MY house

You're in MY yard, acting a fool

[worthy tree]

it can be if you know your buttons and press them at the right time in the right place but it can be a bit tricky to learn if you havent played rogue in a bit

[dapper chasm]

I miss the ol' sap-n-cap though

[worthy tree]

the new classes and abilities and talents make the game a bit more chess like with predicitng shit and being spontaneous

but you will def have fun on sub in rbg's

[high gulch]

That's why I need to find someone to talk to

I just need to know the rotation of stuff

[dapper chasm]

You think so? I feel all predictive play is mostly gone

Used to be able to vanish coil etc

Now it feels slower and more a law of averages

[worthy tree]

it feels rlly shitty in some situations especially with stamina just going up and up each season

[dapper chasm]

I mean, we still got the genius play of pressing cloak as the pala or priest runs towards you out of the blue

[worthy tree]

but the majority of rogues i play that really put the work on ppl are so unpredictable its like almost impossible to keep up with

xD

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/that-was-intentional-steelo-brim-ridiculousness-that-was-on-purpose-you-meant-to-do-that-gif-17395517

Sounds like you play with rogues who use the US army philosophy

"If we don't know what we're doing, neither will they"

[high gulch]

Lol

[worthy tree]

for example like watching nahj on outlaw and sub compared to randos in SS is like insanity

it actually seems like hes a step ahead of them just doing wtv the fuck he wants and hitting R1

but then i load SS and get rammed by lock mage

[dapper chasm]

The play at top level is usually resolved at the starting gates, they're not thinking super fast - they've just finished thinking earlier

Where rogues struggle is vs the "messier" classes

[worthy tree]

i get wat u mean its like a chess game in a way but sometimes it feels too fast sometimes too slow

exactly

[dapper chasm]

Ones that shit AoE and DoTs by existing

[worthy tree]

and not just rogues but like if youre playing assa and expecting to have fun just pump a bit more copium before logging on cuz with the wacky shit in this game you can be the best and get one shot by some weird devoker shit or infinite afflic lock dots

i wanna just say "skill diff" but if youve played devoker its like actually stupid sometimes

[dapper chasm]

The grass is always greener

[worthy tree]

TWW is gonna be so hell too

[dapper chasm]

At top level, developing an easy strat beats a majorly complicated strat that is 5% better

So, yeah, people play war and pala

[worthy tree]

we'll be pushing 2m hp with the craziest hero talents

[dapper chasm]

DH now too

[worthy tree]

ok DH is so disgusting tho

like

that shit is for controller

[dapper chasm]

But they feel easy to deal with

[worthy tree]

do u play sub

[dapper chasm]

Just walking machine guns design

Sub, yeah

[worthy tree]

cuz like playing assa or outlaw into a dh with a proper minded healer feels like im Sisyphus

[dapper chasm]

We must imagine he's happy

[worthy tree]

i try but how can i be happy putting a worthless garrote on the dh that he will heal 5-10x in the time it takes to tick fully

[dapper chasm]

I just find mostly ignoring DHs with constant crippling on them works pretty well

[worthy tree]

pvp will be cooked next xpac when were pushing 2m hp as a rogue

[dapper chasm]

Those numbers don't mean anything, my man

[worthy tree]

It makes me cry sometimes

[steel scarab]

They do if our builder still hits for 16,000

[dapper chasm]

The game has nearly always existed on the premise that you will die in 6 globals against any competent burst

10k HP, 10 mill HP, all the same

6 globals

I dunno about ass, but sub can down anything in those 6 globals

[worthy tree]

assa doesnt get 2 shadow dances tho or 2 vanishes or 30s cd on vanish

[dapper chasm]

That's an ass problem

[worthy tree]

we get like the shortest cc windows and the least defensives

LOL

[steel scarab]

You realize this expansion, my hp went up by about 200k since last patch and mutilate went from hitting for 10k to 16k

[worthy tree]

it truly is tho

[steel scarab]

Actual ass problem for sure

[worthy tree]

playing assa one must imagine sisyphus happy

as zanaken said

[dapper chasm]

I played a lot of assassination in cata, mutilate was never more than a CP generator and cripp applier

[worthy tree]

yeah lowkey gotta work on macro gameplay sometimes

[dapper chasm]

Even now, my sustain is where I want it - irrelevant tier

[worthy tree]

rather than thinking in 16k mutilates think about the long term wildsoul

[dapper chasm]

I don't care if I'm doing 50k sustain or 100k, all I care is they die when the time is ripe

[worthy tree]

i havent played sub since S1 DF so i havent been able to enjoy the new tier

but it looks so yummy with the burst potential

[dapper chasm]

The burst is real, and it's back up much faster than you think

You can open with trinket/tea/symbols and do decent pressure while all you're really doing is getting rup/snd/that new dot up

And then, when they think reprieve is imminent...

You get shadow blades/find weakness/ms up

You get them low, maybe bomb for pressure, they are just about to reach the edge of the smoke

And you take them to the fucking shadow realm

The only issue is when you come back and your team doesn't realise you just forced every defensive they have

In terms of mobility though, I don't think sub is matched

You can stick, and I mean stick to any monk/mage/lock without any issues

2 step charges, plus 2 vanishes to reset? Fucking 'a

[high gulch]

Plus meld if they run

Hehe

[dapper chasm]

A lot of these new gap closers are pretty shitty too, most only puts them a few steps away

So step can be saved for kicks etc

Crippling is still lowkey the most OP thing in the game

[high gulch]

Yesss

[dapper chasm]

I play belf

We remove Pain sup/BoP

Sometimes

[high gulch]

Ahh

Does duel still bug bubble?

[dapper chasm]

Don't think so?

[worthy tree]

so many ppl sleep on shiv but crippling is actually so goated

i actually didnt know u could remove PS with torrent

[dapper chasm]

The new CD on shiv is pure garbage

It's nearly always on CD for me

[dapper chasm]

It's just a classic dispel

[worthy tree]

i have a belf mage and i straight up threw it off my bar bc it never goes for me maybe im slow in the head tho

[dapper chasm]

Well, it used to be off the GCD

So it's a bit clunkier now

But yeah, use it, it's pretty much always worth it

As a ranged though, you might struggle a bit

[worthy tree]

yeah when did they change that cuz i had a belf dh and in SL it didnt feel so useless

ahhhh i see

just an awkward spell

[dapper chasm]

It used to also give energy

Basically like symbols

[worthy tree]

i lowkey love meld so much tho

another vanish is so nice on assa

[dapper chasm]

I've never, not once, felt a need to stealth as sub and not had access to it

[worthy tree]

i hope you play assa one day and suffer like we do

[surreal barn]

It’s pretty great in that regard lol

[halcyon timber]

Torrent does give energy

[dapper chasm]

Does it?

[halcyon timber]

Just no arcane tap like the old days

[dapper chasm]

I swear it didn't but maybe I didn't notice with a 200 energy bar

I'm elected to bleed, not read

[halcyon timber]

All rogues will have without a trace in tww

[dapper chasm]

What's that?

[halcyon timber]

2nd vanish charge

[worthy tree]

omg

i cannut wait

[halcyon timber]

Not a big deal as other classes gained shit so the unnecessary dooming from them falls on deaf ears

[dapper chasm]

I always wondered what self-respecting rogue only brought one vanishing smoke bomb to a fight

Vanish doesn't seem OP to most people because you pop back out within 5 secs 9/10 times

But when it's abused properly, it can make unwinnable situations

[halcyon timber]

Well vanish is 1.5 s instead of 3 in tww as well

[dapper chasm]

I'll take back old vanish any day

[worthy tree]

i kinda feel like the assa identity got kinda chopped with the new talents like they tried some cool things but for pvp it doesnt seem to have like crazy pros that make up for the cons

[halcyon timber]

And more shit breaks stealth on purpose but other classes will raise propaganda anyway

6s subterfuge is nice on alpha but it isn’t “broken” either

Unnecessary anti rogue propaganda

[dapper chasm]

They wont hurt rogues too bad, I've always suspected we're the hidden "baseline" class during development

[worthy tree]

in pve the BTE windows are kinda nutty tho with 6s subterfuge

[halcyon timber]

Yeah probably. Def feels tightly tuned to other classes

[dapper chasm]

I hate subterfuge, restrictive without macros

But 3x CS.... not bad

[halcyon timber]

Love subterfuge, nice expression of what decisions you want to make

[dapper chasm]

Sometimes you need to vanish 2 seconds after popping out

That's life

[halcyon timber]

Some jackass falls out of combat and we sap

[worthy tree]

it feels clunky on assa sometimes tho

[halcyon timber]

Or at least blackjack them as someone is going to dot them anyway

[dapper chasm]

It's kinda for allowing messy play, just jump through the flare and sap the healer anyway

[worthy tree]

like sub you can use blades and cs to get combo points and keep stun and damage

[halcyon timber]

Still need to be smart with subterfuge. Thats the jackasses fault for not getting in combat

[dapper chasm]

I think where sub rogues fail is focusing on pressure, spreading themselves thin

[halcyon timber]

Not the rogues fault as much as they like to try to spin the shit wheels

[worthy tree]

i feel like a lot of sub rogues are warrior or pally players trying something new

i feel like i rarely see a rogue that shocks me

[halcyon timber]

Difference between a rogue and someone who has a rogue

[worthy tree]

thats a deep but true sentiment

someone pin dat

[halcyon timber]

Nah don’t

Rogues make opportunities, its up to the team to capitalize on it

[worthy tree]

the other guy was talking about SS earlier and i kinda agreed with him SS kinda feels like a shitshow half the time

[high gulch]

I've had a rogue since vanilla stranglethorn valley pvp killing ppl

[halcyon timber]

Because people want to meter maid

[worthy tree]

bruh i cant stand it fr tho

[halcyon timber]

If people actually followed their rogue they would have a better time

[worthy tree]

SS has become so unfun to me

[halcyon timber]

I dig shuffle as i don’t have people to play with

I also can’t play atm with exams here though

[worthy tree]

i kinda like rbg's for that

ah ur cooked

[halcyon timber]

Yeah not a lot of time to do shit

[dapper chasm]

The secret is to be good looking

[worthy tree]

rbg's feel like twice the fun with half the pressure tho like idk why but i feel like im gonna be posterized and publicly shamed when i play SS

[dapper chasm]

Works for me

[halcyon timber]

Rating is rating

[worthy tree]

like i have to be the golden child or im "another useless rogue"

[dapper chasm]

I hear about this hate in SS, but I don't really see it - and I've done like 150 games now

[worthy tree]

idk the rating doesnt get me its more of the mental like idk why wow players are so insecure sometimes

i dont hate it i just dont love it

[dapper chasm]

I've never had anything worse than "why not ass?"

[halcyon timber]

You be yourself, disregard the loud jaws flapping

[dapper chasm]

You guys really get hate?

Sometimes I hear a comment about the healer with 0-5 and a pocket full of dreams

[halcyon timber]

I mute chats , i pay no mind to people

[dapper chasm]

But not much else

[halcyon timber]

Usually rage whispers or nasty messages from healers “im not going to heal you because i fucking hate rogues” . Most recent one

[worthy tree]

not a ton but ill have games where i get trained cuz im the assa rogue and ppl just act like its not happening and i should be making plays with a warr and mage focusing me

[halcyon timber]

I don’t participate in that crap and i stay silent. Focused on the goal. Nothing else.

Expel gas elsewhere child

[worthy tree]

i just dont like the public shaming

fr tho

i cant argue with ppl on games anymore like i pay to play this im not gonna argue with another man over it

[dapper chasm]

[halcyon timber]

People are too comfortable , a swift pen in the neck would fix that quickly

[worthy tree]

XD

truth

[left hedge]

where can i find a talent build just for random bgs for assa. pve andy here

[halcyon timber]

Prob panda or zeiss or wild could tell you

Dunno if they are on atm

[worthy tree]

murlok.io is always a decent baseline

if you understand the spec at least

also depends on if ur playing one shot build or wanting to put out a lot of dots

[high gulch]

I like murlok.io

[sturdy canopy]

Have I gotten better or does rating just feel way easier to get this season?

[jolly sierra]

former season was deflated af i think ppl grew thick skin

for this season

[sturdy canopy]

Swear 1800 feels like 1400rn

[steel scarab]

I've gotten trash talked a lot in SS

So I am fairly certain I don't play the game the way everyone's expecting it to be played

[surreal barn]

And what was your response

[potent pivot]

i'd just copy the 3v3 build on murlok.io pretty much

assa plays a cleave spec atm so

should be fine

[sturdy canopy]

Honestly for bgs the aoe build on icy veins is probably a decent go to

[left hedge]

ty

[dapper chasm]

I prefer personality

[steel scarab]

@dapper chasm I'm gonna tell your wife you said this

[waxen meteor]

This season is easy

It started from max inflation of previous season 3

[twin quest]

when are people running crimson tempest? i figured it'd be a no brainer in RBGs, and possibly 3s. Just an easy way to cleave

[jolly sierra]

cuz it hits hard

[gleaming pawn]

it adds more damage to your rot and sudden demise, it hits hardest with 5+ targets but does ok damage under that

[twin quest]

when do i fan of knives instead of mutilate? if running fan of knives talents

[jolly sierra]

when u are sure u wont break a cc

or when the target isnt a totem

BTW, seems like zaralek mafia lord is gone

i have not seen him like in a week

[gleaming pawn]

hopefully he got banned

[jolly sierra]

sam

e

seems like we got it boys

[twin quest]

so to do good damage i need to; have thistle tea, slice and dice, kingsbane, deathmark, and shiv all up?

[potent pivot]

you mainly want to be spreading bleeds on muliple targets

but your big damage buttons are shiv/kingsbane and deathmark yes

tea can be used for the energy or the mastery

3 charges means you can kinda press it in either situation

[untold remnant]

Also, you are fucked everytime there is a ret, holy paladin, evoker or dwarf in the group 😄 as they just get rid of bleeds on someone u try to burst (or survival hunter with the bandage)

[twin quest]

is there a way to track whats breaking my stealth?

[wintry dew]

You're finally the warlord of zaralekk caverns?!

[jolly sierra]

seems like, guy is gone it seems

so i farmed 1800 glowspores between yesterday and today and killed a solo guy tried to steal from me

[wintry dew]

He learned the hard way

[jolly sierra]

hope he learns my schedule lol

[wintry dew]

Fuck yeah panda let's go

Your name goes fucking hard

@jolly sierra check dms xD

[dapper chasm]

My wife is a pro tennis player, I got what I need already

I occasionally go for a walk myself

[wintry dew]

Does she appear on championships? If yes I need a name

Actually I don't, this could cause a lot of trouble LOL

[potent pivot]

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-chris-rock-oscars-academy-award-my-wife-gif-25234909

[wintry dew]

Best comeback. Expected nothing else.

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573

[grave basin]

Are shuffle queues dead or nah

I'm. Kinda burnt out on memix

Need to do some retail content before I Kms slaying dragons for hours

[karmic summit]

They seems to be had a 35min q today

[grave basin]

how do people play non setup classes in arena man

i tried to do 1 game as WW and im falling asleep

just press W and at most focus incap

pve rotation a

[waxen meteor]

how do people play setup classes in arena man

we so tired playing the game after many rounds

and people waste setup anyway

just go DH and press W for 30 mins for a real life relief

[steel scarab]

@dapper chasm now I see why you are not an ass rogue

[dapper chasm]

You've clearly never seen a tennis player

It's all lunges

https://tenor.com/view/everyday-is-leg-day-amanda-cerny-yoga-exercise-getting-fit-gif-17542897

[steel scarab]

I think you missed the joke

[dapper chasm]

I couldn't have made the counter joke without getting the joke

You've made a fool of yourself

Publicly, blatantly

Children sing rhymes of your failure

[surreal barn]

Drug dealer > tennis player

Hrm I mean Pharmacist

@dapper chasm ‘s comebacks are so good I’d wager he would land one of those corporate Twitter accounts

Where someone complains in a DM and is just mortified by the response he gives

[dapper chasm]

If I wanted comebacks, I'd wipe it off yo mama

For the record, I work in corporate consultancy - my emails are pure fire

I know 32 ways to tell a man to fuck himself in a perfectly HR-safe way

[steel scarab]

Corporate consultancy. That's just a step above HR. Man hasn't done an honest day's work in his life. Probably has smooth hands, even!

[dapper chasm]

I use Vichy moisturiser

The French, for all their crimes, make good creams

[jolly sierra]

i hated my clients back in the day in the 5 star hotel

fkn snobby pricks

[dapper chasm]

I enact their security measures, I am literally the fucking law

https://tenor.com/view/law-police-judge-cop-dredd-gif-8606130

[steel scarab]

He's the bad guy who protects the wealth-hoarders

I play a rogue in my fantasy game because I'm a good guy irl

Zanaken is just RPing as himself!

[steel scarab]

I mean, let's be honest

If you're a corporate consultant

This image is far more accurate

[waxen meteor]

Man this game is so dead this season

nobody doing myth now

I just want to get the gear upgraded :((((

[stoic spruce]

I knew it was too good to see a season Sub didn't get buffed

[jolly sierra]

w remix idk if i can consider this a whole season

[radiant glen]

imma bout to backstab u for 300 more dmg ur gonna die outside of dance kid 😎

[stoic spruce]

Wish you'd backstab 500 less

[radiant glen]

i wouldnt even be mad actually spell is

so unimpactful

unlucky go tww

[stoic spruce]

Yeah thats when the fun begins

[wintry dew]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-dragonflight-class-tuning-on-the-weekly-reset-survival-tier-set-buffed-342249

@dapper chasm

[halcyon timber]

Good

[grave basin]

Sniper shot nerf again

Lel

Buffing backstab is kinda piss though

15% more of 0 is still 0

[steel scarab]

Good sub buffs

[dapper chasm]

Rupture change is good

[halcyon timber]

Depending on how one talents, it isn’t meaningless. They are avoiding meme damage instead of just 180 and nerf the snot out of us down the line.

[dapper chasm]

Backstab is kind of a meaningless move considering how key it is

[outer sky]

Did blizzard seriously buff sub's damage outside of dance by 15-30% thinking that's actually going to make the spec viable?

[dapper chasm]

Not that it does ZERO damage, but you gotta ask yourself what oyu're doing during those times

[outer sky]

If you're even in the fight without dance you're trolling

[halcyon timber]

Yeah by itself isn’t going to be great.

[dapper chasm]

Well, that aint true with find weakness and tea and shit

But you better wrap it up in 5-6 seconds

[pale storm]

Sub brethren rise up

Inb4 hyper comes back

[halcyon timber]

Don’t have time to afk while pve classes smoke people with diablo 4 damage

[outer sky]

I just feel like with the way sub is currently designed, buffs and nerfs outside of dance are basically irrelevant

[dapper chasm]

I would take more mobility

[outer sky]

Give rogues burst of speed again

[halcyon timber]

Well tww gives “some” out of dance imstead of ferris wheel since legion style

While also increasing spikes so nothing is devalued

[dapper chasm]

Just remove the CD on shiv

[halcyon timber]

Old school heh

[dapper chasm]

Gives us something to do, like the men we are

[outer sky]

Personally I think sub should have master assassin baseline and be able to talent into a stronger version that adds an extra 30% crit

[dapper chasm]

I don't know what that is, but I totally agree

[outer sky]

So basically 60% crit during dance and subgrfuge on top of your baseline crit %

[dapper chasm]

Oh, endgame cata had that

Basically 90%+ crit

But you could kill someone with just find weakness and dps trink there

[outer sky]

I've never had more fun in WoW pvp than in SL S1 as a sub rogue

[dapper chasm]

Yes, sub is the way

[halcyon timber]

No scruples does a good bit

[outer sky]

Also wtf is this DH nerf

4%

Should be like 10%

[halcyon timber]

Darkest night is also pretty crispy during blades

[outer sky]

Holy priest nerf is nice

[proper heath]

My friend literally just Messaged me. He's like "Yo lets push next week as DH/Boom/Hpriest for glad." I'm like dude... have you not read the patch notes? Omegalul.

the comp will still be fine. But it's just funny the timing

[jolly sierra]

nah no way lol

[proper heath]

The dh nerf is like 5% ish. Because the ring nerf is about 1% of their dam.

[outer sky]

But the ring nerf is across the board so you may as well not even consider it

[proper heath]

What do you mean?

[outer sky]

I mean the ring nerfs affected everyone using the ring, not just DH. So relative to everyone else their nerf was only 4%

[proper heath]

Who else can proc fire? It's just DH. Who else uses this rings proc?

[outer sky]

You use it along side the Flaring Cowl head piece which does fire damage for you

[proper heath]

I know the pve method but who does that in arena lol! I understand your point, but I can't think of any other classes thats actively using the fire part of the ring besides DH.

But I get you.

[outer sky]

Monks do

From the WW PvP discord

[proper heath]

Lol yes but thats 2 classes. Then Dh's overall is 5% and Monks 1%. You dont like subtract 1% off the dh's nerfs just because the monk is also nerfed by a tiny bit. Whats that logic brother. 😄

[outer sky]

Was just an example. I only play rogue and monk. You said only DHs use it so I corrected that. For all I know more do. Not sure

[safe turret]

Ele/enhance shamans, deva evokers, warriors, rets, and dks (legendary axe), disc priest can all benefit from the ring

outlaw rogues can use it with flaring cowl and shadowflame wreathe as well, some of the EU rogues do

[outer sky]

^ there we go

[jolly bear]

do the sub buffs coming mean anything or not really

[proper heath]

Lol. Guys, I'm not arguing if people use it. Starlink is saying we can ignore that nerf because everyone that uses that ring is nerfed.
What I'm saying is. Lets say I reduce your income by 5%. ANd everyone else is reduced by 1%. Your income is still reduced by 5%! You didn't get a 4% reduction! You dont come home and tell your wife, our income is only reduced by 4% because everyone else got 1% reduction. Thats not how that works lol. 😄

[outer sky]

Thats a really bad analogy because people aren't using the relative gaps in their incomes to fight each other.

[proper heath]

Lol. Anyways I gotta go walk my dogs. I'm glad we shared opinions tho.

Friendly discussion

[outer sky]

I'm actually happy about the ring nerfs. Now I don't feel sub par for not bothering to grind out getting it

[stoic spruce]

Everyone procs fire if they're using embels and such

Hell dk uses it too

Still will

Still good

[halcyon timber]

Fel and Chaos damage include fire so respective to those classes as well

[stoic spruce]

Unholy has fire dmg too

Through unholy pact

[halcyon timber]

radiant from priests / paladins

[stoic spruce]

Believe it or not lol

Wild

Yeah it's still a good ring

[quaint cedar]

I wonder if the ring is still worth it for outlaw

You could consider it free damage I suppose. Though we're using shadowflame wreathe to proc it which does 0 dam on its own. So we're basically losing a weapon enchant to proc it

[outer sky]

What changed over the last couple years that made it so warriors no longer hard counter rogues?

I remember them being considered like the hardest counter for a while

[halcyon timber]

still can, depends on the warrior

anyone "can" counter anyone. more people ahve more tools. Warriors just gained ol real second wind back too in recent notes . They will be very difficult to kill. You goof up your cd's or are out of gas, they will whoop your behind regardless.

[surreal barn]

lol what is this tuning

Hahahaha

I thought we were done till TWW

[outer sky]

I mean it used to just be a thing. "Warriors counter rogues"

Maybe it balanced once we got disarm back

[halcyon timber]

Its partly yeah (shouldn’t have left due to whining) . Warr gained a lot of shit in tww so i wouldn’t hold onto that falsifiable truth

Currently a good warrior will just shout root you when you vanish and break it and actually use more than 4 buttons.

Same time, eff em

[steel scarab]

What did they do to the ring?

Does it affect rogues or nah

[stoic spruce]

Armor nerf, rogue CDs had more counterplay opportunities, etc.

Ring effects everyone just about

Rogues were less tanky back then

[steel scarab]

What did they do to the ring?

[halcyon timber]

Couldn’t take a hit then and you cannot take a hit now

Did a -.5% on that

[grave basin]

nerf it by 50%?

pretty clear

[halcyon timber]

Yeh

[steel scarab]

So they reduced the stats on it by 50%?

[grave basin]

the damage..

[steel scarab]

It's not "pretty clear," I just saw someone say the ring was nerfed

What ring are we talking about, I assumed the high mastery ring

[halcyon timber]

Dhs relying on that joker a lot?

[grave basin]

brother is this not plain english

[halcyon timber]

The bk fire grill one

[stoic spruce]

Someone say bk?

[halcyon timber]

Bk is good idgaf

[steel scarab]

Oh my brother in christ, I don't use that

[stoic spruce]

So true bestie

[steel scarab]

Whew

[halcyon timber]

Heard they were having troubles lately

[stoic spruce]

Bankruptcy

Red lobster too

[halcyon timber]

Scamdemic effed everyone

[grave basin]

realz in tww-outlaw channel when

[stoic spruce]

Who knows

[halcyon timber]

Sonics too

[stoic spruce]

Love the coney

[halcyon timber]

Sonic’s

Yeh fuggin tater tots + coney + milk sheke

[stoic spruce]

Mmm

Bro

These 12 hour shifts of sitting on my ass will make me fat lop

Lol

[halcyon timber]

Better punch some dry wall to blow off calories

[stoic spruce]

Rahhh

I should bring weights to work

[halcyon timber]

Had a brother pass today man

[stoic spruce]

Nooo

[halcyon timber]

4th one

Got the call

[stoic spruce]

:C

[halcyon timber]

My uncle was a few days ago as well. Im in the middle of exams. Aint having a great time man .

Anyways. Fuck else is up boys?

[stoic spruce]

Uhhhhhh

The sky

Idiot

[halcyon timber]

Right on

[stoic spruce]

No but I got parts to fix my truck

[halcyon timber]

That’s solid

[stoic spruce]

I bought the spark plugs but forgot the coils

[halcyon timber]

Wont have to ride like diddy kong racing anymore

[stoic spruce]

Bro

[halcyon timber]

Dang phone

[stoic spruce]

Whole truck shakes when idling lol

[halcyon timber]

That’s space ship columbia

Had that shit happen in a lmtv

[stoic spruce]

My camphasor is bad so it burns up spark plugs faster than they should

[halcyon timber]

Hot dang man

[stoic spruce]

Gotta take it apart to fix >.>

There's a lock out kit though

Which I'll install

[halcyon timber]

My dad had a freakin Milwaukee battery explode in his truck a few days ago

Caught his toolbox on fire

[stoic spruce]

Lol dang that blows (up)

[halcyon timber]

Yeah man lol

How much a compressor going to run you?

[stoic spruce]

I haven't a clue

[halcyon timber]

O o o o rileysssssss

Auto partsss

[stoic spruce]

Yeah just not gonna worry about it

Out of sight out of mind :)

Got enough to worry about lol

Dang tritons

[halcyon timber]

Reminds me when new boots wouldn’t clean their rifles and we had one explode and another was a run away and did tag cadre

Was pretty nuts

Yeah durn teknologees

[stoic spruce]

I like staring people down that pass by my office

Sometimes the stare back

[halcyon timber]

https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2020124/rs_1024x759-200224122401-1024x759-doambw-gj-2-24-20.jpg?fit=around|1024:759&output-quality=90&crop=1024:759;center,top

Or

More like that

Both are great

[stoic spruce]

It's always me the second and them the first

[outer sky]

Lol everyone raging over the sub rogue buffs

As if now they're gunna die to backstab

[halcyon timber]

Weeping wenches as always

[stoic spruce]

I'm raging because I don't want sub to have nice things. Not that I'll die from a backstab.

[past trout]

[stoic spruce]

I've built an immunity from women backstabbing

THESE BUFFS MEAN NOTHING TO ME

[twin quest]

for assassination, what is our details/recount supposed to look like for damage done?

Garrote>Rupture>Sanguine Blades>Kingsbane>etc?

[wintry dew]

crimson tempest should be there aswel