thats spanish
#pvp
potent pivot
harsh steppe
arriba
potent pivot
thats spanish
That’s the point
tough spruce
Tuga in the house 💪 tas no aggra tb?
wintry dew
Portugal being Spain youngest brother is harsh
potent pivot
Portugal being Spain youngest brother is harsh
The languages are super similar aren’t they?
wintry dew
Tuga in the house 💪 tas no aggra tb?
I do have characters in aggra but i don't play there
wintry dew
The languages are super similar aren’t they?
lets just say that if you put a portuguese and a spanish in a bar, they'll become friends nontheless
the words similarity is too big
tough spruce
The spanish speak faster and louder
wintry dew
^
tough spruce
Noisy asf
wintry dew
@jolly sierra Are you also noisy?
wintry dew
The spanish speak faster and louder
You a PvPer portuguese brother?
jolly sierra
<@239851547935113216> Are you also noisy?
im more adapted to chile rn
ppl here is quiter than expected
wintry dew
and you're a panda, you're quite by nature
surreal barn
The Greeks speak fast too
jolly sierra
ye
wintry dew
Since tbc (on and off)
same, but im a casual pvper, i only do it for the transmog
jolly sierra
chileans speak faster, but are more quiet
surreal barn
Well my fam at least
jolly sierra
spanish speak fast too, they are also noisy
jolly sierra
that is because romance language users, all are more used for warmer climates
outer sky
Is this dagger good to play?
jolly sierra
Is this dagger good to play?
at 528
outer sky
well yeah I mean does the effect actually do anything useful?
wintry dew
not really
wintry dew
I believe its the first time i see a portuguese brother around here
Even playing on my server as well
tough spruce
I believe its the first time i see a portuguese brother around here
We're a rare breed
jolly sierra
damn that says too much
steel scarab
Man. There's nothing quite like arena
tough spruce
Even playing on my server as well
Play more in aggra (only portuguese but pve focused mostly)
wintry dew
I do PvE, usually get the dungeon portals and clear HC, and 1800 pvp for the tmog and thats it
tough spruce
I do PvE, usually get the dungeon portals and clear HC, and 1800 pvp for the tmo...
We should so double sub one day in 2s for fun
wintry dew
I suck brother, and i'm not doing pvp this season since i got all 3 sesons elite sets
gleaming pawn
I do PvE, usually get the dungeon portals and clear HC, and 1800 pvp for the tmo...
Find me a pacific coast HC guild in NA please and thank you 😊
wintry dew
Oh i pug brother
gleaming pawn
he is european
Oh I know, but Royal gets things done
outer sky
So I was playing with this r1 mage in 3s the other day and he said I need to multi dot more. He said we win by doing more damage than them. But even if I have full DoT uptime on all 3 targets and never get peeled on my CDs I still wont do as much damage as a monk, ret, or DH. Is that a me problem? like the DH will do more dam to 1 target than I can do to 3. So how do we "win by doing more damage"?
he also said just send kidney on whoever the closest target is
wintry dew
Oh I know, but Royal gets things done
Altought flattered i deserve no such words, its you guys that move my heart, therefore i hangout here a lot
wintry dew
So I was playing with this r1 mage in 3s the other day and he said I need to mul...
Take this with a grain of salt, im no mister rank uno:
In theory they are correct, the more damage you do, the more their healer has to heal, and the faster he becomes either OOM or makes mistakes.
If you pop CDs and you get kited, it MIGHT be on you, or on your teammates, it obviously depends on what the fuck is happening on that moment (ex: your teammates not RE'ing your chain CC, aka not helping you chain a good CC chain)
outer sky
I mean in theory if the win condition is doing more damage than them then we're basically screwed from the start cuz there's no way we're out damaging boomie/DH
wintry dew
Thats where CC's and baiting trinkets come into play
outer sky
You mean like drop smoke bomb without committing any damage to make someone trinket?
do good players fall for that?
wintry dew
i wouldnt say a smoke bomb
but a stun into blind
on the healer
might force him to trinket
you want to bomb when the guy you want to kill is out of CDs / trinket
outer sky
it just seems like we die so fast compared to everyone else, man
wintry dew
imagine you bombing a DH and he pops that invulnerabilty shit ability
outer sky
netherwalk yeah
wintry dew
thats why tracking CDs and DR's is so important for a rogue player
because we don't just zugzug
outer sky
yeah I do all of that
but like
I get trained
evasion and cloak dont feel like enough
gleaming pawn
Getting a trinket with your damage CDs, and Blind/Sap/CC on the healer should also lead to a trinket on their end
outer sky
you cant blind>sap anymore 😦
gleaming pawn
Then it’s as “simple” as sending a kidney on your kill, smoke bombing, and sending Dance+KB damage
This is all in a vacuum of course, getting peeled by the 3rd player can happen especially if your team isn’t setting up CC as well
But that’s the core desired gameplay loop
outer sky
it sounds like the stars need to be aligned. You need all 3 trinkets, full cross CC, bomb, and damage CDs
like how do we survive below 2400
gleaming pawn
Experience and trading effectively
outer sky
the chances of 1800 players being able to pull that off seems close to 0
gleaming pawn
Like you don’t want to trade Cloak or Evasion if your healer already used a CD on the you
outer sky
cuz despite what the WoW forums say, we cant actually cross CC a whole team by ourselves effectively. As you all know
Bro i die through PS getting training by ret/WW
gleaming pawn
cuz despite what the WoW forums say, we cant actually cross CC a whole team by o...
That’s Sub and Outlaw. Assa plays a bit differently
outer sky
I dont even play cheat death because I feel like I need the elusiveness DR
I basically have full uptime on feint the whole game
plus cheat death doesnt even work half the time
its just so hard, man. People in LFG leave it you lose a single game so its hard to practice. And all the good players seem to have people to play with
gleaming pawn
Yeah that’s LFG in a nutshell and it sucks
@jolly sierra and @surreal barn might be able chime in more and offer more specifics to try and improve
outer sky
would be appreciated
outer sky
another thing thats weird is everyone tells me to kidney the healer and cheap shot the kill target but I can only do that if I have vanish or dance
which wont be every stun DR
gleaming pawn
And what is your partner doing to CC things? Your mage sounds like an idiot
surreal barn
Yeah you are really just kidneying the kt if your buddy can follow it up with something
Otherwise you can use it wherever
outer sky
Every dance you can essentially cross cc the whole team
you need 3 globals at a minimum for CC on everyone. In my experience a good player will be able to react after the 1st global or 2 and prevent themselves from being cheap shot
even average players are doing that
like vanish, cheap, cheap then get chastised or feared or disarmed
sometimes it happens after the 1st cheap
or the DH flies away or something
harsh steppe
do yall pvp on multiple toons? or multiple rogues
surreal barn
Not if you start it with an aoe garrote
So like if you aoe garrote the pally and warrior and healer
wintry dew
do yall pvp on multiple toons? or multiple rogues
this expansion i played rogue/warrior/dh and paladin
gleaming pawn
do yall pvp on multiple toons? or multiple rogues
I usually pvp on my Rogue, Holy Priest, and Ret
surreal barn
Your next would be to cheap the warrior or even the paladin
gleaming pawn
This season I have only really been slumming it in Blitz on my Ret
outer sky
for those of you that play other classes in PvP how does rogue feel in comparison to them?
harsh steppe
wow ok tyty
surreal barn
But rarely do you want to just DR everything
harsh steppe
so you just like, play pvp on one toon for two days, max everything out, then the next toon, etc?
wintry dew
get gear > reach 1800 > quit pvp for 1 month due to trauma > REPEAT
gleaming pawn
for those of you that play other classes in PvP how does rogue feel in compariso...
Rogue has and always will be a class with a higher skill floor and ceiling than other classes. Rogue generally requires planning and awareness that others do not
Like Ret can largely just push buttons as long as you don’t do stupid things like LoS your healer
gleaming pawn
so you just like, play pvp on one toon for two days, max everything out, then th...
I haven’t cared about pushing super high in many years, so I generally just get 1800 and stop. SS queue times are way too long for me to bother usually
jolly sierra
get gear > reach 1800 > quit pvp for 1 month due to trauma > REPEAT
repeat
wintry dew
oh right let me fix it
jolly sierra
<@239851547935113216> and <@210567247503032320> might be able chime in more and ...
wut what now
gleaming pawn
wut what now
That’s what you get for pushing CR!
jolly sierra
That’s what you get for pushing CR!
AAAAAAAAAAAA
wintry dew
Yeah stop pushing CR so people stop bugging you with questions!
jolly sierra
gimme a summary wtf ppl needs me to reply
harsh steppe
hyper is typing
outer sky
WTF I was just in EOTS and my entire team got kicked out of the instance
surreal barn
for those of you that play other classes in PvP how does rogue feel in compariso...
I’m 2100 mmr on a hunter I never played before. Started 4 days ago
Much easier
outer sky
i've been 2400 on rogue maybe I should try another class then. Ive only played rogue since 2007
jolly sierra
wanna know why is not pressuring as assa multidotting?
outer sky
wanna know why is not pressuring as assa multidotting?
yes please
jolly sierra
yes please
1 word
cc
sometimes u can do very shit damage but still manage to win because you cced the target while the dots were up plus doing a kill window with KB/DM
in the right timing
a combo of both is the key
gleaming pawn
Oh yeah, if your mage is throwing sheeps out like they’re Oprah. Say good bye to your bleeds
jolly sierra
if u annoy the shit out the healer in the right moment then its over
no matter the dmg
jolly sierra
Oh yeah, if your mage is throwing sheeps out like they’re Oprah. Say good bye to...
druid cycloning be like:
gleaming pawn
So true
short moth
WTF I was just in EOTS and my entire team got kicked out of the instance
just happened to me in arena
happened to an opponent and it didnt count as a win for us, then it happened to us and it counted as a loss
short moth
looks like the whole game is fucked, pve players getting booted too
wintry dew
NA or EU?
outer sky
Havoc is looking strong again in tww 😔
Idk what DHs have on blizzard. its such an OP class why wont they nerf it
gleaming pawn
Havoc is looking strong again in tww 😔
I dunno man, so many classes are getting some crazy sounding OP things in their trees and so far Rogue has been an absolute bust for PvP. I don’t know if Deathstalker can save Rogue in TWW
wintry dew
I dunno man, so many classes are getting some crazy sounding OP things in their ...
the trick is not reading anything but rogue ones
stoic spruce
I didn't get Burger King :(
wintry dew
Goddamn it man, you gotta treat yourself
gleaming pawn
the trick is not reading anything but rogue ones
But I play other classes ☹️ and that whole know thy enemy thing
wintry dew
Fuck you are right
stoic spruce
You're right 
stoic spruce
I'm left 4 dead 2!
wintry dew
Dang that was also good
stoic spruce
We best skidaddle lest they'll be back 4 blood
The War Within
There's a War Within my 👖
Oh god send help
wintry dew
Backdoor?
wintry dew
Something sweet?
wintry dew
Anyway, 1:40am I'll go to sleep, I'll talk with you and the rest of the boys tomorrow morning
stoic spruce
Nighty night
wintry dew
harsh steppe
gn royal
potent pivot
im more adapted to chile rn
Ooh I thought you were eu
potent pivot
I dunno man, so many classes are getting some crazy sounding OP things in their ...
They’re supposed to be changing the Feint tree I thought
gleaming pawn
They’re supposed to be changing the Feint tree I thought
they are looking at probably changing Unseen Blade to trigger on something other than Feint. But there was no commitment that they would actually change it so 
outer sky
Anyone here have an alt they want to try 3s /w me on? Could use some first hand advice on how to play it better as a rogue
halcyon timber
I believe Realz was possibly hinting at Symbols of Death being a trigger which wouldn't be a bad idea. It wouldn't be bad for Ghostly strike to be Outlaw's trigger either. After being on alpha a lot it would make sense. Thing is too frequent --> it cannot be impactful. Infrequent --> doesn't mean it should be something silly either or to base the whole kit around. Balance which the developers see fit whether people want to be mature or not must be maintained .
gleaming pawn
there was a suggestion in one of the channels, I don't remember which, to make the Unseen Blade be Shiv
halcyon timber
Fazed is good but would prob change along with it if it does get changed, Crit strikes with ambush / strike / sinister strike / backstab / gloomblade "could" apply it as an alternative. Flickerstrike could have "chance per combo pt spent" on evisc / dispatch to generate a stack too
Dunno as shiv is too infrequent unless the plan on stacks changing ( ex: shiv granting full stacks for being a cd? dunno as things have to be fair).
gleaming pawn
makes a hell of a lot more sense than Feint, and would make Shiv actually do something for Sub and Outlaw
halcyon timber
that would be nice too though, I wouldn't be opposed to that
gleaming pawn
besides the odd enrage dispell in m+
halcyon timber
yeah I've asked for shiv to do othr cool stuff for quite a few years
I do dig that Trickster provides amps to all abilities and doesn't leave anything off the table for build flexibility. Not crazy about feint but if it stuck I wouldn't kick and scream either but definitely have put in a bunch of suggestions on alpha similar to what we frequently discuss.
CDG definitely puts the funk back into finishers, Outlaw slams hard with it which i cool and DFA was buffed back to 40% to match that. (they don't stack - tested that and reported when it did the first few days on alpha). CDG does compare to other classes when they pop their new stuff which is nice to see and combined abilities using your custom builds is also nice instead of silly crap like gutripper returning and azerite globules. Cloud cover is cool because we finally got a version of smokebomb back that doesn't obscure vision but is useful to start a slaughter and some confusion.
outer sky
Whats a good class/spec I can play to faceroll my way to 2400? Im currently 2100 on rogue. I dont want to play caster, DH, warr, ret, or DK
Maybe WW monk?
or surv hunter?
halcyon timber
I duno I don't multiclass or multispec but Seijuro / Zeiss / Royal / Popo are good resources.
outer sky
I feel like a good player knows how to shut down an MM hunter
even I dont lose to them on my rogue
disarm trueshot
stun it
halcyon timber
A bit busy with grad school so don't get to dunk this season
gleaming pawn
a good MM hunter is going to get their damage off anyway, and their damage is quite high regardless of trueshot
gleaming pawn
but it will depend somewhat on your healer and partner to help you
stoic spruce
Oh to faceroll
Yeah mm for sure
You'll glide right through lower mmr
Absolute noob busters
outer sky
whats "lower mmr"?
jolly sierra
1400 MMR
outer sky
I'm at 2300mmr on my rogue so I dont think Ill have a problem getting past 1400mmr no matter what spec I play
which one is more dominant on the leaderboards?
outer sky
I mean which hunter spec? lol
jolly sierra
MM
outer sky
For those of you that have played MM, does it "feel" like a caster?
jolly sierra
@harsh steppe
also BTW wtf this numbers are minimum in participation
how tf there are only 184 assas at 2k1+ in US
stoic spruce
whats "lower mmr"?
That's subjective.
stoic spruce
2100 is a breeze for current MM
If they don't get nerfed, I'm going to push with it next week when I'm off
stoic spruce
how tf there are only 184 assas at 2k1+ in US
Omg hi mom
jolly sierra
Omg hi mom
"im in the ladder"
gleaming pawn
fun fact, the pve raid rankings for last week. over 22k Ret paladins and all of 2k rogues
outer sky
I like the idea of MM hunter but I dont want it to feel like a caster
jolly sierra
fun fact, the pve raid rankings for last week. over 22k Ret paladins and all of ...
imagine shoving those 22k rets on PVP
1k5-1799 EU
stoic spruce
What I find funny is how we could totally body top raiders in pvp
jolly sierra
1500-1700 US
jolly sierra
nah rets numbers are funny
from 2k3+ average to 450+
dude those rog numbers depresses me
thought this season was easy to climb
stoic spruce
I'm only one rogue man
gleaming pawn
well, why would a new player pick up rogue when it's harder to play than everything else and so unrewarding
jolly sierra
well, why would a new player pick up rogue when it's harder to play than everyth...
ye better pick a ret and slap the fkn keyboard
even more if is unnerfed
(damn i have a needing for undust my t2 and xmog it w the ret)
potent pivot
makes a hell of a lot more sense than Feint, and would make Shiv actually do som...
That’d feel worse than feint for sub/law imo
jolly sierra
hi mom im in the ladder KEK
potent pivot
gleaming pawn
That’d feel worse than feint for sub/law imo
Sub and Outlaw don't even talent into Shiv right now though
potent pivot
Sub and Outlaw don't even talent into Shiv right now though
Yeah but at least with feint you’d have a nice uptime on the DR
What do you really get out of spending a talent point on shiv and pressing it on CD besides the added dmg from the hero talent
gleaming pawn
fair point
potent pivot
fair point
The biggest thing I won’t be looking forward to is people asking/feeling they they have to use feint with their burst n shit
pliant mauve
Maybe I have an unknown learning disability but is it weird to use gouge as an interrupt? Used it twice against a resto spamming cyclone at the tail end of a match and he absolutely flamed me for “wasting” it even though we won. Fucker said he wouldn’t heal me if he saw me do it.
potent pivot
Maybe I have an unknown learning disability but is it weird to use gouge as an i...
It’s not weird no, but you have to think about cc DRs
As long as you’re not wasting the DR in that sense then it’s fine
jolly sierra
its fine imo
sometimes they baits a lot with fakecast
if u do that and they were intending to fake then u made them waste time
and saved ur interrupt to use it shortly afterwards
cuz u didnt triggered precog
i gouge aimed and sniper shots w that too
jolly sierra
uh
dude i was thinking in leveling up the NE
for TWW
now warbands will be a thing
potent pivot
You should
jolly sierra
You should
lemme tell u something
surreal barn
Ya do it in panda land
jolly sierra
i will be the first one in celebrating if they disables all fkn racials in pvp in a far away future
but for now
damn
potent pivot
Oh I agree
potent pivot
But ngl having those extra things is nice
jolly sierra
yeah its nice, im just considering that option even more now
potent pivot
Being somewhat strong armed into a race tho is lame af
jolly sierra
because fkn shadow dance goes removed in assa
surreal barn
Should let that enchant people are going to be able to sell also give the racial
potent pivot
Then when they do racial tuning you have to pay to switch or level a new toon -_-
jolly sierra
anyways
now i will push w 2 chars for TWW
i will compare too
how hard is one compared to the other one
surreal barn
It really is the magic number
potent pivot
how hard is one compared to the other one
Wdym
surreal barn
Well, it’s 1 racial and 10 seconds of indiscriminate carnage
😆
Which if used early enough you can use twice
I’ve even traded meld for 3 cheap on an evoker to get rid of cc immune
Depends
halcyon timber
Heard enough, i agree nerf dh
jolly sierra
who tf is the only lightforged at 2k1+ overall worldwide?
guy turned into the greatest chad
halcyon timber
Its def either change meld or change meld as the only options
halcyon timber
Dunno man , its cool kaldorei have it but enough is enough
Vanish was nerfed too btw
halcyon timber
Or meld could just be coded to unable or do any other action until cancelled
jolly sierra
(i agreed w teldrassil burning)
halcyon timber
It was a good war strategy
Nuke your enemies before they can do to you
Alliance would have done the same
halcyon timber
Wc3 kaldorei for sure
jolly sierra
wow ones too
jolly sierra
meld
halcyon timber
They aint punks, good to see they have fight in them
They will prob just make stealth a longer cd instead because people trinket sap in 2024
Like the old days, was like what ? 10sec its been like 12 years or longer
jolly sierra
they are still pricks, look at thalyssra attempt to recruit and how they looked down at vol´jin for darkspear rebellion
halcyon timber
Don’t remember ever since master of deception went away or whatever it was called
jolly sierra
shadowmelt
surreal barn
rip
jolly sierra
they melt and turns inmune for like 2 seconds without doing anything
even moving
lol
halcyon timber
jolly sierra
oooof
halcyon timber
That was a spooky thing back in the day
jolly sierra
ye lol
halcyon timber
Fighting nerubians, 2nd war colorized
jolly sierra
im still doubtful about nerubian lore
they seems to reject old gods (the ones we met) but this new ones from another zone seems to accept and embrace them, so im worried if they dont do another klaxxi w the northrend ones
rlly hated what they did w klaxxi
halcyon timber
Im not spoiling jack but the story is a lot more involved
Lots of cool stuff down there
jolly sierra
wut, northrend ones?
halcyon timber
There are a lot of lore references towards northrend
I purposely didn’t do a lot of stuff regarding the story but i know enough to get a picture on what is going on as they have focused testing and a lot of stuff is left out on purpose due to data miners not controlling themselves
halcyon timber
They are doing pvp tuning atm
So maybe shaky when no one has gear like a prepatch as expected. Not justification for nerf x though
Only thing that is kinda nuts are ww monk / mage / paladin / dh can be crazy too but everyone else is pretty good atm
Warriors hurt a lot with their new toy too . Dk also hurts honestly
No idea how they are going to honestly balance windwalker shadopan though. Teachings of the monastery blackout kicks like 9x i think atm
They gained a lotta mobility and are hard to catch and kite . Double jump and when they roll on the ground like a hot dog for 20yards is a bit nuts
Mage stun from sunfury still lifts you in the air but is considered a root instead of a stun as well
outer sky
lets gooooo!
waxen meteor
lets gooooo!
nice!
outer sky
Did they remove the honor boxes for sending gear to alts?
waxen meteor
Did they remove the honor boxes for sending gear to alts?
You can send honor directly to alt now
stoic spruce
How so?
waxen meteor
It’s in vendor’s item
I think it’s a chest for alt, you open it to get 1500 honor
Cost about 2500 or so
stoic spruce
Oh that
steel scarab
Gear question:
I have the conquest crit ring with a socket and the conquest mastery ring without a socket. They're both ilev 528 in PvP.
I bought the big mastery ring and upgraded it to 10/14. I don't have enough Aspect crests to get it higher. It's 522 in PvP.
Should I still wear the 522 ring over one of the above higher item level ones simply because it's way more mastery?
jolly sierra
i was able to earn this name, i wont waste it
jolly sierra
just noticed im wearing a locked item (maybe scaled like shit in DF)
last jasper
okay, so where is panda event? 😄
jolly sierra
in like 10 more hours
last jasper
jesus...
timid storm
someone bring my guy a fkn mango
wintry dew
WHERE ARE THE MANGOS
wintry dew
You working rn?
candid condor
neat bough
!ban @candid viper stop the dissrespect
candid condor
Fuck, fuu was quicker.
lapis steeple
candid condor
Spider senses were tingling
grave basin
What happened lmao
candid condor
Hyper has fans. Thats about it.
stoic spruce
He wasn't being very social contract
candid condor
candid condor
stoic spruce
I got to ping mods! :D
wintry dew
You felt cool?
stoic spruce
B)
candid condor
Just dont abuse it or Ill ➡️ ⬆️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ➡️
candid condor
??
stoic spruce
It already went to my head and I'm mad with power
wintry dew
You're so real for that
untold remnant
As expected, once everyone has gear, rogue does zero.zero damage again
Undo the nerfs please
wintry dew
As expected, once everyone has gear, rogue does zero.zero damage again
You mainly playing solo or 3s?
untold remnant
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Solo, which is the worst game mode for rogue yes 😛
It's just tilting me, that so many things are broken, yet rogue is the only thing that gets nerfed
Also the PvE items should be disabled tbh
last jasper
As expected, once everyone has gear, rogue does zero.zero damage again
Funny. I have the opposite feeling with sub. Surely it’s not even near to what it used to be. But still feels okay. Especially sec tec
grave basin
On the TR rat who's playing thug was doing less dam than the hpriest on his team
But TR has boomy/DH with maxed out pve shit so who knows
wintry dew
looks down na the mf is a guy
outer sky
Apparently I still didn't CC enough according to my team lol
wintry dew
Do you like your teammates enough to remain with them?
outer sky
Do you like your teammates enough to remain with them?
Why do you ask? You need a rogue for your RBG team?
wintry dew
I don't, but those guys are asses
nova wren
Peeps enjoying retail rogue pvp? friend invited me to cata to level rogue to play with his mage so we could play 2's, mut the leveling + gearing just to get into arena is quite an investment time wise compared to retail, wondering if I just return to retail, grab gear and queue 😄
Thinking of playing double dps 2's as subtetly (both in cata n retail)
dapper chasm
dapper chasm
I only had level 2 at the time
And raw skill
How do I bind "Heh, nothing personal, kid" to a shadowstep macro so it only goes off if ShS lands?
I mean, I don't wana sound like some sort of loon
wintry dew
You probably need a separate key bind for a shs and press it once
But use another keybind for normal rotation or you'll be spamming xD
dapper chasm
What if I'm chasing someone just outside range and spamming it to land it early?
I'd come across as some sort of crackpot instead of a super cool guy
ocean thunder
Does the Seal of Filial Duty work on pvp - the proc part? Or people chase it for the tons of mastery?
surreal barn
Does the Seal of Filial Duty work on pvp - the proc part? Or people chase it for...
It’s for the mastery. And @steel scarab I’d still use it at that level
surreal barn
How do I bind "Heh, nothing personal, kid" to a shadowstep macro so it only goes...
There are addons that announce interrupts, I’d check into those and swap it for your watching your shadowstep speed buff
As that only goes off after a successful cast
steel scarab
@surreal barn I'll stick with the ring then, it definitely increases my mastery by a good bit, I think 8%
surreal barn
On my silly geared rogue I am using it with 3/12
steel scarab
Lol nice
It feels so bad I wasted a TON of aspect crests on the tier helm, simply because I figured "I'll never need these for PvP, so I'll just upgrade my PvE stuff"
Now I'm out of aspect crests cuz I can't hit 2100 anymore lol
It would be great if they'd keep PvE out of PvP like they used to
dapper chasm
Just hit 2100, bro
steel scarab
I mean I'm trying, my gear was completely cursed for a few weeks due to bad luck vaults and suboptimal crafts. Still only have 1 embellishment
Plus the 15% Garrote and Kingsbane initial hit nerf hit me hard, I tend to have really long matches so Garrote getting gutted hurt bad, and I tended to Kingsbane then swap to cross CC the healer, and now post KB nerf you really need to stay on the KB target
Trying to get used to those playstyle changes
harsh steppe
gm
wintry dew
Yo
harsh steppe
We all enjoyed cata pvp
i wish i would have played back then, i worked really hard to get those skins recently, but i'm never unmogging at least Goliad, I swear, not until my corpse is cold
are there any daggers that are harder to get than those?
surreal barn
It would be great if they'd keep PvE out of PvP like they used to
At least you don’t need the MH weapon like hunters do lol
steel scarab
True
wintry dew
are there any daggers that are harder to get than those?
Besides the legendary weapons no, not really
steel scarab
@harsh steppe I have those and I never mog them anymore, they just look too weird lol
dapper chasm
Gear aint that important
harsh steppe
thanks all btw for being there for me yesterday, that really meant a lot to me 
steel scarab
@dapper chasm I would say that for sin, gear matters quite a bit. At the very least, having the proper secondaries is of particular importance. Imagine being a new player and stacking haste/versatility, the spec would just literally do nothing
If anything, the recent Garrote and Kingsbane nerfs are proof that the devs are balancing our spec around people maxing mastery, because my Garrotes were not ticking particularly well when I had 60% mastery, so chopping 15% off that was an absolutely crippling nerf
steel scarab
I'm at work. It is hard to win arenas at work
dapper chasm
Weak attitude
steel scarab
I went 5-1, 4-2, 4-2 last night
Rating came up by ~100
What do you want from me man
Queues are long
steel scarab
If Blizzard can give me 30 second queues I'd play a lot more
It's hard when 3 games is a 2 hour investment
dapper chasm
WoW is the most AFK game in the world for me
It has it's own screen while I do other shit
INCLUDING WORK
sometimes
steel scarab
Your job is obviously a lot easier than mine lol
surreal barn
steel scarab
Dude I'm 40 years old. People as old as me don't have airpods
surreal barn
Says the guy without a vintage pioneer setup
dapper chasm
I gots shit
I gots mad shit
A singxer/cambridge audio setup going on atm
Feeding a DC Stealth
Fucking braided cables and shit
That.. doesn't mean anything to anyone here, does it?
surreal barn
Do you have the steely dan t shirt
dapper chasm
I bought mine second hand like a smart man
So if it came with a shirt, the asshole kept it
At least he had clean ears
surreal barn
I got mine in Atlanta like a real man
surreal barn
The rest of the world wants their artifacts back
tough spruce
I'm from a real country
Fake. Real countries have sunshine
wintry dew
Whatever the guy above says, I'm with him
dapper chasm
Was literally cooking alive out there just now picking up my kid from school
England looks like a garden
A sexy garden
wintry dew
Does your kid play rogue yet?
wintry dew
You gotta teach him while he's still young
harsh steppe
panda time in 5m [na]
dapper chasm
Is that a furry thing?
harsh steppe
wintry dew
Have you seen all the rewards?
surreal barn
I feel like I have?
gleaming pawn
There’s all of the new to the remix mogs and mounts and such
But yeah I won’t be going ham on the remix. I’ll use it to level a monk, and maybe grab some rewards but otherwise meh
surreal barn
From what I saw they are all still low res models that weren’t really updated
I have wanted to level a dracthyr though
wintry dew
Imagine killing someone while taking care of a chicken
That might later become KFC
And ofc
He panda tmog
From the trailer
(mop trailer)
gleaming pawn
Buying some of the super rare mounts like the sha of anger’s dragon would be my desired use of bronze. But I’ll have to see how much bronze I actually get
gleaming pawn
He has been summoned
jolly sierra
so the elitist guy from some days ago come back and got banned? nice
wintry dew
Double kill
jolly sierra
Hello panda
dammit cant hide anymore
wintry dew
Server is unfortunately on fire lately
2 bans here and 1 in assa channel :/
In like 3 days
gleaming pawn
so the elitist guy from some days ago come back and got banned? nice
Im really curious what Hyper did to that guy that he keeps coming back. Like Hyper had to have killed a family member or something
jolly sierra
ye lol all targets here were hyper
jolly sierra
Im really curious what Hyper did to that guy that he keeps coming back. Like Hyp...
hyper camped him in outdoor idk
wintry dew
Hyper just said "he's in my shuffle lobby"
Guy got furious, did his research on hyper character and rating
Went to check hyper store
jolly sierra
the same elitist guy it seems
wintry dew
A bunch of shit
jolly sierra
Guy got furious, did his research on hyper character and rating
how short tempered must be u to react that bad to a single comment
jolly sierra
damn, elitism from days ago felt like an ego shield
rather than a gatekeeping attitude
neat dove
SUB
hey, from what ive gathered tier set is also bis in pvp, but how important is it actually?
I've got 4 pieces, 3 normal one heroic, but idk if its actually worth wearing or whether I should just buy conquest gear for 528 in the respective slots, even if its a dps loss surely the massive stamina increase has a value, too, right?
jolly sierra
in summary
hyper got a win
wintry dew
**SUB**
hey, from what ive gathered tier set is also bis in pvp, but how importa...
Any class depends on tier set to play, in PvE everyone uses 4 set, in pvp some specs use only 2 set, like assassination
gleaming pawn
damn, elitism from days ago felt like an ego shield
Honestly, thinking r10 or higher is the only valid opinion is huge hard stuck 1500 energy so it makes sense
wintry dew
**SUB**
hey, from what ive gathered tier set is also bis in pvp, but how importa...
Some subs use 2, others 4, it seems to be personal preference. Using PvE gear that is not 528 will result in loss of stats
neat dove
Any class depends on tier set to play, in PvE everyone uses 4 set, in pvp some s...
for sub gameplaywise its not really impactful, its just more damage, but im also losing stats for using 502 instead of 528
jolly sierra
Honestly, thinking r10 or higher is the only valid opinion is huge hard stuck 15...
in summary
is the bad noob player we all hate because how toxic he is
even more if felt personally attacked by hyper single comment
wintry dew
for sub gameplaywise its not really impactful, its just more damage, but im also...
I'd recommend playing with conquest gear until you can catalyze it into pvp tier
Hyper chilling in his 1k mmr matches like is nobody business
neat dove
oh i forgot that exists, have only started playing dragonflight 3-4weeks ago
neat dove
yeah i visited once thought "neat" and never did anything cuz at the time my highest itemlvl piece was 480
wintry dew
Conquest pvp gear always scales to 528
jolly sierra
ye
potent pivot
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/wow-remix-mists-of-pandaria-event-rewards
thats a fuck load of appearances
sheesh
potent pivot
the same elitist guy it seems
ye
gleaming pawn
Yeah there’s a lot to do in the remix if you want it all
potent pivot
he changed his username on his acc and deleted all his most recent messages etc
wintry dew
He was banned
potent pivot
but now both acc's are banned 👍
wintry dew
Like pewpew
jolly sierra
he changed his username on his acc and deleted all his most recent messages etc
that is psycho
wintry dew
I'm still wondering. You'll be able to lvl real fast and do raids at like lvl 30
grave basin
so there's going to be lfr/normal/heroic/mythic raids in the pandaria shit
doesnt really matter
in ptr every boss died in under 1min
cause we're all OP as fuck from the power up gems
infinity stones
potent pivot
doing every level of raid on that many characters is going to be difficult no matter what
grave basin
theyre reintroducing garrosh heirlooms
potent pivot
they could have also tuned the bosses to be a bit harder
grave basin
so im gonna get the pig sticker this time FOR SURE
grave basin
they could have also tuned the bosses to be a bit harder
true as well, they could have made it easier intentionally so more people would test it
potent pivot
yeah no telling really
but that's a lot of sets
to be farming
only ones that don't look that great are warrior
@wintry dew are all of these just recolors?
ik the rogue ones are
wintry dew
All of them are the original recolours, my doubt is: will they be moved from "rogue/warrior/whatever class" to "Leather, mail,etc"?
I believe i read that somewhere
jolly sierra
the sai, i wanna the sai
wintry dew
potent pivot
All of them are the original recolours, my doubt is: will they be moved from "ro...
oh so we can just farm these from the MoP raids?
in regular retail
wintry dew
"Yesno"
potent pivot
potent pivot
i gotchu
wintry dew
but, as far as i understand, buying them on the remix vendor
will make them go from Druid only to Leather only
wintry dew
wintry dew
wintry dew
in the end of Remix yes
your character aswell
and all the achievments accomplished there
potent pivot
so we really only need 1 class of each armor type
wintry dew
Pretty much yeah
potent pivot
noice
wintry dew
The only concern is: How long does one take to actually farm a bunch of stuff
potent pivot
same
and how long is the remix going to be
i assume it's going to be relatively easy
wintry dew
its supposed to go all the way thru until TWW launch i believe
potent pivot
otherwise they wouldn't have THIS many rewards
harsh steppe
so how exactly does nelf restealthing work? you pop the nelf stealth racial, but you have to stay in the same spot or it breaks, so you cast regular rogue stealth after? wouldn't that not work since you're already in stealth?
surreal barn
so how exactly does nelf restealthing work? you pop the nelf stealth racial, but...
Macro a cast sequence from meld into stealth
Stand still for the two clicks in your sequence
harsh steppe
oh wow
surreal barn
Add a !stealth in there so you don’t accidentally unstealth
harsh steppe
wow
surreal barn
But the sequence should probably prevent that anyway
harsh steppe
that seems so op 😦
surreal barn
It is ^.^
last jasper
For assa maybe
harsh steppe
fml
last jasper
With subterfuge being 6 seconds
wtf? So they removed it from outlaw and gave to sub?
surreal barn
All rogues have it
last jasper
So sub lost second dance charge?
halcyon timber
No
halcyon timber
Talent that was made for balance reasona . They didn’t remove anything from outlaw per say and as a trade for dance being back on us Subtlety rogues, without a trace is selectable by all rogues
Look on beta calculator my man
last jasper
Look on beta calculator my man
Was on beta. Sub talent tree is pretty much the same. Except premeditation
halcyon timber
Class tree changed mostly, pur tree is good as is
last jasper
I’m jealous that every rogue is now can have 2 charges of vanish 😂
halcyon timber
Idgaf , they can stop pointing fingers now
waxen meteor
I’m jealous that every rogue is now can have 2 charges of vanish 😂
oh for real
is there some news
last jasper
And cdr is nerfed :/
halcyon timber
Yes , preparation took a hit . Definitely like it being back though
waxen meteor
can someone share a portal to the news
i don't seem to find news related to what you guys talking about
surreal barn
It’s cause DH is rotting your brain
The same happened to me as I played Hunter this week
waxen meteor
last jasper
i don't seem to find news related to what you guys talking about
Wow head
waxen meteor
i will probably finish dh/sp this week
tribal badger
in the class tree
waxen meteor
but maybe pandoria will stop my plan
tribal badger
pinned in some of the TWW specific channels
also of note for pvp: vanishes safety window is cut in half
1.5s down from 3s
so dots will counter resets a bit harder
waxen meteor
https://www.wowhead.com/news/may-9th-the-war-within-alpha-development-notes-stor...
thanks
the title didn't help for my search!
lol wtf is this
New Talent: Shadowheart – Leech increased by 3% while Stealthed.
waxen meteor
and we lose the range talent too?
Acrobatic Strikes has been redesigned – Auto-attacks increase auto-attack damage and movement speed by 1% for 3 seconds, stacking up to 10%.
tribal badger
ye
waxen meteor
let me keep reading hopefully there are good news
tribal badger
sin got some decent pve changes but uh
the pathing of the trees changed also for all 3 specs i think
u can look at the calculators on wowhead
harsh steppe
is this resto?
tribal badger
yes
harsh steppe
ty
waxen meteor
Shadow Dance moved from the Class talent tree to Subtlety talent tree.
.....
did i read it right or dance becomes a sub only thing again
waxen meteor
holy cow
i feel sin is dead in pvp
and sub will get nerfed as always if it's good
also the SBS change doesn't seem to be good
halcyon timber
It felt pretty solid
waxen meteor
it saves a keybind tht's it
halcyon timber
Does good upfront damage and refunded 3 cb pts when you’re rolling
tribal badger
its not competing with ur other spells
waxen meteor
well you use SBS anyway when you are rooted for most times isn't it
tribal badger
better pve change then pvp change tho probably
since u could use it as a ranged generator in pvp
waxen meteor
yeah
SBS was quite good low energy spender and range skill
GCD was not a big concern
now it will become auto, but you sort of have to arrange a rupture on different target every 30 sec
and dmg all nerfed
i fail to see it positive tbh
tribal badger
well shouldnt look at damage
this isnt tuning
its design stuff for alpha
just look at design
numbers will all be tuned
waxen meteor
yeah
that' true
it's kinda annoying, just getting used to our aoe build and play style
harsh steppe
how does the human trinket buff work? is that just like having two trinks?
last jasper
yeah i have been searching there but find nothing pff
I just opened talent calculator and checked. And I saw notes once where cdr was mentioned
waxen meteor
now we lose them lol
waxen meteor
I just opened talent calculator and checked. And I saw notes once where cdr was ...
where is CDR change?
tribal badger
how does the human trinket buff work? is that just like having two trinks?
it shares a cd with trinket
harsh steppe
so it's 30s less time?
waxen meteor
so it's 30s less time?
if you play human, use double dps trinket
it's better burst, but you gonna eat whole none stun cc
last jasper
where is CDR change?
Previous notes if I’m not wrong. Basically nerfed it twice.
waxen meteor
Damn i entered a RBG team but it's taking 10 minutes to pop a game
should have kept queueing solo
steel scarab
They better buff Indiscriminate Carnage if they're taking away Shadow Dance
Because it's basically half as good without it
dapper chasm
Why would ass and combat even have access to the signature sub ability?
last jasper
The fuck is this?
Lmao. Are you were leaving under the rock? 😂
dapper chasm
Just came back after a short break
wintry dew
It's a dragonflight thing
last jasper
Short like 2 years? 😂
dapper chasm
About 12
wintry dew
Will go back to normal in the next expansion
dapper chasm
That's like giving sub mutilate and illusions of self-grandeur
wintry dew
Heheheh
last jasper
Will go back to normal in the next expansion
Not really. Now everyone will have double vanish
wintry dew
But not dance
dapper chasm
Vanish is a rogue thing, dance is a sub thing
last jasper
Still don’t like it
waxen meteor
well i don't disagree dance had been a sub thing
potent pivot
Why would ass and combat even have access to the signature sub ability?
while it is really weird thematically, it works pretty well
waxen meteor
but now our play has been around dance for quite a bit
it's hard to do it without dance now
dapper chasm
Learn, losers
potent pivot
especially decent synergy with outlaw's ambush spam
waxen meteor
I think you will get a mute
waxen meteor
there's no reason to speak like this
potent pivot
though on assa it's kinda weird, because ambush is w/e on assa
especially rn when you're fok spamming
waxen meteor
Learn, losers
@potent pivot no mute?
jolly sierra
u are reaching rough grounds here, baritone
potent pivot
<@629463378250956810> no mute?
i don't think he's being serious
dapper chasm
It just feels like turning 3 specs into one class again
wintry dew
We gotta chill with mutes and bans for a day, it's been too much
last jasper
while it is really weird thematically, it works pretty well
Blizz just went south putting stuff into stealth for assa and outlaw
potent pivot
Blizz just went south putting stuff into stealth for assa and outlaw
well stealth stuff has always been a rogue thing - barring dance itself
subterfuge, etc
dapper chasm
potent pivot
step has always been on assa too though no?
dapper chasm
No
last jasper
well stealth stuff has always been a rogue thing - barring dance itself
Yea sure. But I meant stuff like improved garrote, bte spam. The whole concept with a huge spike during stealth/dance
dapper chasm
You could go down to mutilate in sub and still grab step, but give up what I think is now death mark
dapper chasm
514 shuffle rounds played > only just realized every spec has access to dance
Clearly not needed then
potent pivot
Yea sure. But I meant stuff like improved garrote, bte spam. The whole concept ...
yeah, assa especially has always been a consistent dmg model
vendetta was almost never much of a burst
dapper chasm
It was... There
potent pivot
besides certain times in SL with legendaries and covenants iirc
that one meme sepsis build
steel scarab
Rogue is literally unplayable without all 3 specs having a form of Shadowstep though. What they SHOULD do is give Assassination super high melee damage + strong bleeds and take away our gap closers, and really ramp up the effect of crippling poison. Make us super scary up close with less mobility
To give us an actual spec identity
potent pivot
Rogue is literally unplayable without all 3 specs having a form of Shadowstep th...
outlaw was always fine without step though
steel scarab
No. Sub is the finisher spec. Assassination is supposed he the OPENER spec
Lol outlaw has step. It's just a different animation
dapper chasm
No. Sub is the finisher spec. Assassination is supposed he the OPENER spec
That sounds good, but that can't really work in pvp without being toxic
steel scarab
That is unhinged
halcyon timber
Rogue is literally unplayable without all 3 specs having a form of Shadowstep th...
I love you my brother in christ but that sounds miserable. Even Dk has good mobility.
steel scarab
And yes, I know, I'm just saying from a class identity POV, that's what assassination should be. Low mobility, insane openers, insane sustained, very high crippling poison effect
last jasper
By taking step from assa/outlaw u gotta take away 45 charges/leaps/dashes from others
potent pivot
whenever sub has strong enough finishers, the community complains about them one shotting them 1/10 games
dapper chasm
As someone who played with 1 or 0 steps, it's not needed to feel mobile
Now I have 13
steel scarab
You literally cannot fight a mediocre frost mage without Shadowstep or grappling hook
It's impossible
Let alone a good one
halcyon timber
No. Sub is the finisher spec. Assassination is supposed he the OPENER spec
Makes zero sense , all rogues do solid finisher damage. All ambushes hurt, backstab should and can hurt but is not a meme like the old days.
steel scarab
Ambush hits for 50k
dapper chasm
I fought the best frost mages using nothing but moxy and raw skills
steel scarab
That's 1/20 of a hp bar bro
dapper chasm
And gumption
halcyon timber
Plus poison damage
steel scarab
What poison damage
dapper chasm
Crippling is just so damn good
steel scarab
Weapon poison damage is like 4% of an assassination rogues damage
dapper chasm
Weapon poison damage is like 4% of an assassination rogues damage
You use damage meters? What are you, a pve'er?
halcyon timber
Or an execute stage has gotta do some decent hits
tribal badger
Weapon poison damage is like 4% of an assassination rogues damage
well currently sin avoids like every weapon damage poison amplifying talent in favor of bleed talents in both trees
so
thats part of it
bleeds r a bit overtuned compared t opoisons rn tho yea
also u just barely press envenom which also would be buffing poison damage
steel scarab
Oh, you mean Vicious Venoms, that unplayable talent that you literally cannot use due to the devs assuming every assassination PVP rogue is going to spec into Sanguine Blades, and that by electing to take 1/1 Sanguine Blades your options become either put 2 points in Vicious Venoms and be absolutely energy starved all match and have Sanguine Blades basically never active, or skip Sanguine Blades and have absolutely zero sustained damage that can actually put opponents into the 35% HP range that allows us to become bursty?
The two talents have the most miserable anti synergy I've seen in probably any tree this expansion lol
dapper chasm
When did sustain become the king of pvp damage?
steel scarab
It's not about sustain specifically, but I mean, do I need to pull the numbers? Let's count how many of the 100 top rogues on murlok.io use Vicious Venoms
halcyon timber
Hard to converse with you lately bud and I really hope you find joy in stuff soon.
potent pivot
atm pvp kinda leans toward whoever does the most dmg wins
halcyon timber
Yeah rough stuff man
potent pivot
dmg profiles almost don't matter
steel scarab
I don't know why you find it hard to converse with me, I'm just very direct lol
dapper chasm
I dunno, most of my matches end with me having half the raw damage of other builds, but I still win enough to come back
potent pivot
like on the regular or average end of the ladder, you can outplay people with cc and burst
dapper chasm
potent pivot
but at the high end it's just beat the other team up until the healer is out of mana or fucks up
halcyon timber
You like to raise your typing voice is all when an example is made
steel scarab
I'm not yelling, I made a counterpoint
dapper chasm
CC and burst is not a high end strat? Surely you're exaggerating
tribal badger
they dont run vicious venoms because poisons are slightly undertuned
steel scarab
You don't play assassination and I can tell
tribal badger
im saying poisons arent as bad as 4% of ur damage
they are 4% of ur damage because sin builds are avoiding every poison node
in the tree
that was my main point
halcyon timber
It was an example bubs
potent pivot
Oh, you mean Vicious Venoms, that unplayable talent that you literally cannot us...
the tone of this message was a bit... ehh
steel scarab
It was a terrible example with a talent nobody uses!
last jasper
Ppl take this game way to serious
steel scarab
Okay, bad tone, I didn't mean to have bad tone, I'm sorry, I do this a lot when typing lol
halcyon timber
Still love you my man regardless
dapper chasm
Wow, the pvp scene has changed a lot over the years...
steel scarab
Like the way I'd say it irl would be funny and sarcastic, like Chandler Bing, but when I type I sound like a total dick
potent pivot
steel scarab
It's not on purpose
halcyon timber
Sometimes Z you’re a bit instigative bud
dapper chasm
People talking about their emotions instead of what brings hatred to their hearts. Complete lack of insinuating about mothers. I feel like a relic of the past
potent pivot
CC and burst is not a high end strat? Surely you're exaggerating
i'm not saying it as an end all be all, but with health pools as high as they are shit is just wonky
dapper chasm
Still
potent pivot
the matches i caught of the AWC, most of them were won off mana
dapper chasm
Makes me sad tight plays are marginalised
halcyon timber
I cannot talk about things as I want to. I am trying to be a good person
potent pivot
like an alarmingly large amount of the matches i saw were won on mana lol
halcyon timber
Forums demanded the game be slowed down
potent pivot
and not for lack of trying to make winning plays
dapper chasm
Is awc the new tournament format?
halcyon timber
So they got their wish
steel scarab
I had a match just yesterday. I'm totally healable, pally isn't cc'ed, very long match
As I die, pally says "sorry OOM"
potent pivot
it's always been AWC hasn't it?
steel scarab
I was like "what in the world is happening"
dapper chasm
it's always been AWC hasn't it?
It has been some years
halcyon timber
Always has been man
potent pivot
It has been some years
back in the day people just called it blizz con etc