pvp

[wintry dew]

i believe this would look awesome on your character

but the boots were pretty important for the casual look xD

[jolly sierra]

the most casual one i have is this one tho

[gleaming pawn]

boots are one of the hardest pieces of leather mogs, I swear

[wintry dew]

Yargh

[jolly sierra]

dont tell popo

[gleaming pawn]

but yeah I like that one, I've used many of those pieces in the past. I'll have to look out for the boots again

[wintry dew]

i bought that set ONLY for the boots

[jolly sierra]

oof

tbh i rlly liked the madoka magica one from the store

[wintry dew]

The main problem i can identify with your transmog is that (top to bottom) you go from casual sexiness (??) to armorer wrists and belt, back to casual pants and again armored boots. Daggers i can see why you chose them

[jolly sierra]

i had to bought it w money cuz was a rush for the month promotion

[wintry dew]

the set above that i mentioned was a trading post one

[gleaming pawn]

yeah true. I've change the top like 6 times now trying to find something I liked color and style wise

[jolly sierra]

thought was from store

[gleaming pawn]

the textures and polygon counts have been driving me insane

[jolly sierra]

fkn polygons always make problems

look at rog t2 or t3

iconic but obsolete

xd

they shown can update stuff w quel'serrar remake

and legion TOS xmogs

so its matter of time till they decide to do the same again

[gleaming pawn]

imagine how insane the community would have gone if the new naxx stuff was for an uprez'd high quality t3 instead of the same old shit we can get from the BMAH

[jolly sierra]

they would react like ppl did with DH announcement in blizzcon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLBJi9J3igo

1:57

[tribal badger]

why havent i just been playing sin all season

[steel scarab]

@gleaming pawn @jolly sierra your rogues are vaguely reminiscent of mine

[harsh steppe]

damn y’all make my mogs look like slut mogs

[wintry dew]

Wait

wasnt that your purpose?!

[gleaming pawn]

Outlaw is dead, AWC just doesn't know it yet

[gleaming pawn]

the sloot mogs is almost exclusively the entire point

[tribal badger]

i might just be getting the most cursed lobbies every idk

ive played 4 lobbies today and the lobbies were

ret hpal dk arms

ret hpal arms monk

ret ret hpal arms

ret hpal dh dk

[gleaming pawn]

Outlaw was already not great into plate lobbies, then Blizzard nerfed its damage and gameplay

[tribal badger]

double to triple bop every single lobby

[gleaming pawn]

so yeah, not surprised

[tribal badger]

doesnt matter how much i setup

they dont even try to heal thru it

they just trade an immune into every go

and one of my teammates flops by the 3m mark

[nova viper]

SEXO

[uneven grove]

can someone explain why MM got buffed?

that shit shooting 4-500k sniper + aimed shot back and forth

a frost mage hit less with glacial, which needs setup, and actually can be interrupted

[gleaming pawn]

because blizzard doesn't know how to balance their own game

did MM need a buff? 100% Should they have buffed their one-shot hard to counter Aimed shot > Rapid Fire? fuck no

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[jolly sierra]

how tf this xmog remind u to ur own lol

[rocky osprey]

Need change boots maybe

But i also like them

[wintry dew]

boots and pants, and maybe belt

[steel scarab]

This one lol

Not the panda one lmao

[sick wasp]

Gladius(bicmex edition) has embodied dr tracking,u can also track that from regular gladius,just need to set up the countdown

also voidgg

me like

[sick wasp]

glorious tyranny aight?

[wintry dew]

Negative

It's from the daggers

World drop daggers

[sick wasp]

[wintry dew]

First model appeared in tbc

[wintry dew]

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=31331/the-night-blade

And no you can't apply illusions to them

Thank you for joining my Tedtalk

[jolly sierra]

nightblade is expensive af

[wintry dew]

https://undermine.exchange/#eu-aegwynn/31331-31

There are several ilvls which you can try to look by but 18k is pretty cheap

Uldaman server

[jolly sierra]

HOW TF THAT DOES WORTH 18K

[wintry dew]

I remember I bought mine for 100k

[jolly sierra]

me too

at least some time ago it wasnt a cheap ass wep

[wintry dew]

Still isn't, most of them are 100k +

But I might buy 1/2 tomorrow and try to resell

[sick wasp]

thats not rly expensive

its fine for a mog

average ild say

[wintry dew]

It's just that they are unique

[sick wasp]

yup

also when are they gonna put glorious tyranny on black market

ffs

idc about gold

just gimme

[jolly sierra]

maybe never

or ppl will bandwagon in adding more shit

[sick wasp]

[jolly sierra]

from pvp

[wintry dew]

Sap please you know better

[sick wasp]

i couldnt play man i was in the army

now im coping

[wintry dew]

The day they do that, all 14 s4 glads will bring forks to blizzard door

[gilded gulch]

i got mine for pennies in wod

same with teebu’s

[jolly sierra]

lucky u

[sick wasp]

[wintry dew]

Sold a teebus for like 150k last year

The old model

[gilded gulch]

imo the karazhan one looks better because enchants

[gilded gulch]

new one looks bad

[outer sky]

if the other team has a FW on it do you always go the FW?

[outer sky]

ok what the actual fuck is the damage in this game right now

I'm just getting 1 shot

by DHs, Fury Warriors, WW Monks, and Ret pallys

I just got 1 shot by a WW monk that did 90k dps overalled and he was full CCd on serenity

I really dont get why blizzard thinks we were doing too much damage but somehow this shit is fine

[oak frost]

rogue tax

[short flicker]

Hey guys! Returning to the game after a decently long break. Feel like dabbling in some chill battlegrounds with the occasional arena. Would you recommend assassin as a good spec to shake the rust off?

[stoic spruce]

Yes

Best spec atm

[jolly sierra]

ye

go ahead

[jolly sierra]

how humble

[outer sky]

Does Deathmark increase our energy regen by duplicating our garrotes and ruptures or not?

[gleaming pawn]

I would really like to see Hemotoxin reworked, that makes our deadly poison also apply wound poison or at least the MS effect. Wound poison is so damn boring

and does zero damage

[stoic spruce]

They need to cull MS effects

Should only be rogues, warriors, and DKs.

[gleaming pawn]

I'm fine with Rogue and Arms warrior being the only ones

fuck DKs though 😛

[stoic spruce]

Nah

They die easily, should have something.

Also been a thing since cata and it's been fine

But DH having it?

WW?

Like

What???

WW also has offheals

[gleaming pawn]

Aimed Shot too right

or did they remove that

[stoic spruce]

I think they removed that

But hunters too

Raptor pets

[outer sky]

does DM increase our energy regen?

[gleaming pawn]

not directly with DM itself, but from what I recall yes the duplicated bleeds count for venomous wounds

[gleaming pawn]

@jolly sierra since you're actually still pushing rogue this season, you should try this pve build that is used in keys for more single target while still having aoe bleeds and aoe damage. I'm curious how it does, and it's possible to use the 4 set with it
BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQSSISCAAAAAAItkItkAAAAAAAtWIIBSSKpEJRERSSSk0alIhA

[jolly sierra]

lemme see

[sick wasp]

enjoyable,strong,dmg is there 👌

[jolly sierra]

alright dude sorry for not comment more

can try it in 2s

im using lit the aoe build too for it lol, so would be a good idea to try it, ty

[sick wasp]

and Hpally enjoyers here?im gonna make the healer turn this season

[untold remnant]

Joining a lobby with hpal is not enjoyable. As they tend to lose more then priest or Druid would. If that helps any. Had some fun after rework when it was broken with Denounce spam

[sick wasp]

isnt supposed druid to be harder to heal in general

maybe i should try priest

[jolly sierra]

went to a skirmish w senjuro build against a dh and a lock and ended doing this

[lost yoke]

hey

[jolly sierra]

this was the damage recount

[lost yoke]

stat prio for assassrogue ?

and 2 set or 4 set

[jolly sierra]

versa>mastery>crit>haste
2set, just 2

[lost yoke]

thank you

i appreciate it

[jolly sierra]

u welcome

[lost yoke]

any gear?

or specific chest and shoulder etc

[jolly sierra]

tier is chest/pants

[lost yoke]

okay thanks i appreciate it

[jolly sierra]

k

[sick wasp]

isnt that lower than expected

on 40sec u could be around 100kish+

its 4 dps though

nvm should be fine,its my mage brain talking now

[jolly sierra]

idk is a skirmish and the build doesnt have double shiv, AP or sudden demise

instead had DTB and deeper stratgem

so its experimental

[lost yoke]

one more question

what poisons do you use ?

i played sub all last season

[sick wasp]

without DTB there arent make choices to pick from

by default for pvp wound+crippling

[lost yoke]

okay thank you

[sick wasp]

unless u are into a small map and playing vs casters,u could go with MN

[lost yoke]

back in my day we used to use crippling and deadly

[sick wasp]

not how this build works

we wanna deny heals

[lost yoke]

i see okay

thank you for the knowledge

[sick wasp]

yw fam

[jolly bear]

guys do you use gladius or gladiusex

[obtuse venture]

i looted them like 1 month ago, tryedto sell them but just got fed up of waiting, and went like, DUDE! im gonna keep it for myself, they r sick af

[obtuse venture]

gladiusex

[wintry dew]

You lucky dude

[harsh steppe]

gm

[wintry dew]

Hm hyper

Go back to bed

NA should be asleep

[harsh steppe]

lmao

i wake up super early

gaming to do 😉

[obtuse venture]

hyper

change cold blood by acrobatic moves

and search the different point you have sou can reach TTea

[harsh steppe]

ok tysm ❤️

[obtuse venture]

but thnk this has to be in coherence with sin talents

this is how i actually run in solo shuffle

but its not the most played build

[harsh steppe]

ok ty i can start with it at least
ill check out murlok too see what else is aval

[sick wasp]

alot of ppl choose different talents when they que into different comps

and there are different criteria to do that as well

some pick comfort,some pick importance

that is connected to their playstyle

[harsh steppe]

true true

[sick wasp]

so the proper answer is to play the game understand what u want from those talents and what helps u better modified by ur needs

[harsh steppe]

thistle can be macroed into my main buffs macro tho right?

[sick wasp]

wdym main buffs

ur swifty?

[sick wasp]

ye that makes sense

thats a swifty

but i mostly keep my stuff separated to use on demand

but thats just me

should play and see what u like the most

[harsh steppe]

yep ideally i'll have those ofc eventually

ok ty

[sick wasp]

yw fam

[harsh steppe]

having a... lot of fun on belf. this feels like... the true life i was meant for

everything before has been training

https://tenor.com/view/jessica-nigri-gif-18612008

[obtuse venture]

thats it

theres no sense in playing something that pros recommend if u dont feel ir smooth on ur playstyle, or just dont like it

[sick wasp]

exactly

[obtuse venture]

build ur char, as u like it more

[sick wasp]

or start from somewhere and learn the conditions in which ppl use that

and why

e.g laynerz rn is rank 1 in SS mage

he plays w/o glacial spike

plays a frostbolt built where frostbolts crit for 400k

rest of the frost mages play GS

[harsh steppe]

raz said he uses a mouse with two side mouse buttons
so yah that's def 100% true lol

[obtuse venture]

e.g, i used to play SP, normally ppl didnt use the "Void Volley" PvPTalent

but i used to ran it every single match, cause it was a way to make me peel by my ownself

and its also really annoying for melees in SS

[last jasper]

Raiku isn't playin gs too. But where did 400k fb comes from?

damn, sub's rupture hits pretty good

[sick wasp]

Iceform+nova chained on casts

its many amps gathered from the tree,it gets around 140% more dmg iirc

on that built i did 340k and my gear isnt rdy yet

also i didnt play iceform

[last jasper]

I have 524 frost mage. Tried fb build. Never had crits like that. So I switched back to gs.

[sick wasp]

are u pressing pet nova on iceform

[last jasper]

But I never tried ice form

[sick wasp]

yeah iceform is where it pops off

30% more FB dmg

[last jasper]

Should try that. But it still fun to cheese ppl with bomb into gs.

[sick wasp]

yup i like it more

but i find it hard to spec into iceform tbh

so its not a thing for me

very niche

[last jasper]

Yea and it can be spellstealed.

[copper grove]

hi who got good tuto for subtlety pvp ?

[sick wasp]

yup

[obtuse venture]

if healer is good, dispells bomb

[last jasper]

It’s okay. Than I free sheep someone

[obtuse venture]

i like more iceform cause of the cc prevent

[last jasper]

Or sheep before. So healer need to choose

[obtuse venture]

true

[sick wasp]

its more like what u que into,e.g u get qued into dh/war/bm/rogue u need that snowdrift

even dks ramping ur body

but they ams it

so u force that

and kill them later

[copper grove]

i'm getting ghosted

[obtuse venture]

lil question bout smoke bomb guys

[sick wasp]

it isolates the space

[obtuse venture]

when is the best moment to use it, and how u makethe cc to prevent them from escaping

[sick wasp]

when u have them immobilized/stunned into that momb

also prevent heals

its situational

[last jasper]

Force trinket, wait dr and that’s it

[sick wasp]

the best moment ofc is to score the kill

no better than that

[obtuse venture]

yesterday i made one really clean to an evo

10 secs later, SSends in second round cause somebody rage quited

guess who?

i would like to start playing rbg, but it seams really unaccessible

[potent pivot]

make your own group

[harsh steppe]

guys i'm having a crisis

i love my velf she is my girl
but i'm falling in love with my belf
but i'm looking at all the top ranked players, and while sub has a mix, assassin has night elf 100% almost
i know i'm so bad but i want to min/max everything
but even sub most are night elf
the racial is so important and i can't sleep because i keep obsessing over racials
the void elf racial is so OP and undervalued, that 5% extra damage buff pops all the time, and the spatial rift is basically another vanish, or always allows you to get away from an opponent, period, because of how it works
but the belf racial looks okay too, not sure how powerful the dispell is, but the permanent 1% crit looks really enticing
but then i look at night elf and it just seems like the clear winner with shadowmeld & the dodging & movement 2% buff
so now i want to make a night elf but i don't want to leave my belf but i also miss my velf but i also don't want to screw myself over
but i also think blizz one day will make a quest or payment feature to mix & match racials
i don't know who i am anymore

[wintry dew]

Hyper

I didn't read it

Don't take me wrong

But just learn your character first and climb to a rating where races matter

Before worrying about your character race

[harsh steppe]

what rating would that be

[wintry dew]

Above 2.1 I'd say

[harsh steppe]

so just play what i like until 2100 & then determine if race changing at that point would be important

[dapper chasm]

Arcane Torrent seems kinda bad now ngl

But at least it can pop BoP

What's the Void Elf one?

[harsh steppe]

a random buff that can proc 5% increased damage for a bit
and a spell that lets you shoot a shadow thing forward that’s visible, and you can choose to teleport to it if you want, so you can trick opponents

[dapper chasm]

Like a lock gate?

[wintry dew]

Yes kinda

[dapper chasm]

How have I never seen that?

[wintry dew]

Not many people play void elf

[dapper chasm]

It sounds cool

[wintry dew]

It does

Nelfs are just better

Since you can meld -- restealth

Almost guaranteed

[harsh steppe]

so basically another vanish?

[lone goblet]

I've used it to teleport out of mages ring of frost hehe

[wintry dew]

If done correctly yes

[lone goblet]

And second boss in DoTI you can jump over the rings if people drop them in the slow part

[harsh steppe]

ok ty guys ❤️

https://tenor.com/view/kyloren-sad-star-wars-i-know-what-i-have-to-do-adam-driver-gif-11159545

[dapper chasm]

I wouldn't do it

If you swap, you pay Blizz for an advantage

That will tarnish your good name

[steel scarab]

Yeah Hyper, it's hard to cope and accept that pressing the wrong buttons is the actual reason we're losing, not racials and gear, but

Sometimes I look at the top ranked people using suboptimal gear and think to myself

god damn, I'm the reason I'm losing

It's not my gear

It's me

Which is difficult, because in many cases I don't actually know why I lost, other than, a lot of other DPS classes are much easier and have a lot more room for error than us

[harsh steppe]

true

[steel scarab]

If I fling my empowered Kingsbane into a Pain Suppressed target and I'm at 25% HP, it's just like, "wellp, guess I probably lost this one"

[harsh steppe]

i love doing that lol

[steel scarab]

Or if I drop Smoke Bomb on a stunned warlock and they trinket it and just teleport out

It's like, ok guess I'll just cry then

[wintry dew]

James:

https://tenor.com/view/boring-unimpressed-meh-really-seriously-gif-16279809

Am I a joke to you?

[steel scarab]

LOL what

[wintry dew]

You, looking at the warlock teleport to the other side of the arena

[steel scarab]

EXACTLY what I look like

I know, I really need to install an add on that tracks trinkets

I just feel like it'd be cheating

Even though everyone else does it

I just hate add ons

[harsh steppe]

wut

bruh

[wintry dew]

Doesn't the normal ui do it?

[steel scarab]

Not as far as I've ever noticed, absolutely not

If it does, someone please show me where it shows that

[wintry dew]

I do use an arena addon so I can't be sure

[steel scarab]

The only indications I have of trinket use are: my stun suddenly ending immediately, the trinket sfx, and the tiny little swirl graphic of trinket use

[wintry dew]

You really need to download gladius or something

[steel scarab]

But I have nothing that tracks if an opponent I wasn't specifically looking directly at has used their trinket, and aside from knowing a trinket was JUST used, I don't know when it'll be ready again

But yeah I think you're right, I've fallen a ton of rating and am now having trouble winning games at 2000

[dapper chasm]

You must have missed my UI post

It's the best

[steel scarab]

I think I have no choice but to get a trinket tracker

[wintry dew]

I can see you winning rating just by having it

[dapper chasm]

Sounds like cheating to me

[wintry dew]

I wish I had the mental fortitude you guys have to play arenas

[steel scarab]

😔

[harsh steppe]

the standard ui does have it though

[steel scarab]

What can I say, I am a rogue with morals

Uh what? That's the base frame?

Maybe it's so tiny that my old eyes never noticed it? I did make my arena frames pretty small

[wintry dew]

Have you been shooting your own feet this whole time

[steel scarab]

Man, huge if true, I'm gonna look when I get home, is it the question mark?

[harsh steppe]

yes

[wintry dew]

You have no idea how much I love your type of humor

We must be the same age

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-metro-man-i-love-you-too-random-citizen-gif-15752418

Do you hear screaming voices and have to count every toothpick too?

[wintry dew]

No, but I do hangout with the sleep paralysis demon whenever I get the chance

Does that count?

[dapper chasm]

I dunno, man - Terry?

That demon is kinda... gross

[wintry dew]

Especially when he does that thing with his chest

https://tenor.com/view/old-spice-terry-crews-yelling-flexing-silly-gif-12045709

[harsh steppe]

how do i track DRs? diminished returns is discontinued looks like

[dapper chasm]

I started skimming all the new abilities btw as I wanted to make a list of what buffs to look out for in PvP

Did I miss any key ones?

[harsh steppe]

shadowblades

[wintry dew]

If I played pvp outside the first week of the season, I would know how to answer

[dapper chasm]

That aint worth tracking imo - too long

[harsh steppe]

true

[dapper chasm]

And Feint is only there so I can quickly test the list

It just makes the buff bigger and on top of the others on target frame

[wintry dew]

Your ui is gorgeous

Give me

@dapper chasm

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-give-it-to-me-now-gif-6486247

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/you-lose-you-get-nothing-empty-good-day-sir-mad-gif-16171682

[wintry dew]

[dapper chasm]

Did I mention the CD "pop"?

I know you heard it - felt it's silky embrace

[wintry dew]

You big meanie

[dapper chasm]

The blue bubble thing took like an hour to find

Weakauras has access to every Blizz particle effect

[waxen meteor]

Finally get a semi instant queu

then only 5 people entered somehow lol

[gleaming pawn]

The damage wasn’t bad at all especially for a skirm. It might have potential for 3s/Shuffle

[jolly sierra]

hmmmmm

lets see later

[wintry dew]

Mage, I've been getting bullied

[jolly sierra]

how so

[wintry dew]

Is Zanaken

[stoic spruce]

my tummy hurts :(

[jolly sierra]

easy to counter, just tell him "no" if he needs something

[stoic spruce]

I gotta go plunder some medicine and loot some warm blankets

[wintry dew]

@jolly sierra

Look

Bullying

[dapper chasm]

Hey, hope everyone is having a great day today

[surreal barn]

@wintry dew so @dapper chasm gave me his ui

Excellent animations

[dapper chasm]

Obviously hit me up for any updates or changes you need too

[surreal barn]

Ofc

[dapper chasm]

It's just a joy to do

[jolly sierra]

wut

[dapper chasm]

I am feeling extra generous so I will share a single weakaura out of goodwill and love

[wintry dew]

[dapper chasm]

This is a fully animated vanish/stealth icon with cool border effects. Red= can't vanish. Orange= Can vanish but you have a dot cloak wont remove without pvp talent Blue=Can vanish but with a magic dot that cloak removes green=can vanish

Oh, but it moves up when you have a target of target because that's where my target of target is

That can be removed under conditions

I wont do it

Fuck the world

Oh, and it wont look like mine because I use custom borders/fonts, but it will WORK like mine

[steel scarab]

Blizzard should hire you

[dapper chasm]

Don't worry, babes, I'm already stacking plenty papers

[surreal barn]

You all ever tried playing with the UI turned off

It’s kinda fun

[stoic spruce]

dawg I'm not reading all that

[dapper chasm]

It's an import string, you fool, you idiot

God, get a load of this guy

[stoic spruce]

not until the 4th date

then, if you ask nicely, may get a load of this guy.

may

[dapper chasm]

[stoic spruce]

may

may

[steel scarab]

@surreal barn yes, it's cursed, but man it's nice because you actually get to appreciate the animations

[surreal barn]

yeah

[gleaming pawn]

@surreal barn! You should try out this build variant of a high keys spec. I talked Panda into it and his brief testing wasn’t bad and I’m curious how it performs. It essentially boils down to more single target pressure while still having AoE damage and AoE bleed spread

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQSSISCAAAAAAItkItkAAAAAAAtWIIBSSKpEJRERSSSk0alIhA

[wintry dew]

Y'all should try out DN as well, plenty of AoE dmg

[surreal barn]

In pve?

[gleaming pawn]

No to try it out in arena

The build originally came from pve high m+, but I made some tweaks to it to make it a pvp build

[surreal barn]

Giving up all that agility, and internal bleeding is about 10% of damage

[gleaming pawn]

Oh yeah, I forgot to change caustic over to internal bleeding

[surreal barn]

I mean I’ll run it for you but I don’t see it working at high mmr

[gleaming pawn]

And I forgot again copying the string at work lol

[surreal barn]

People know to stay away from their team mates

No acro strikes is sad too lol

[gleaming pawn]

The main idea is keeping your AoE bleeds during the burst, while also buffing single target, and possibly making use of the 4 set

[surreal barn]

Ah, 4 set

I don’t not have 4 set yet

[gleaming pawn]

4 set wouldn’t be needed

But if this build works, it could actually make use of 4 set

Also no acro is definitely sad, but we’re losing it anyway so might as well start ripping off the bandaid 😉

[surreal barn]

You can already kill someone in an opening kidney with sepsis tho

For a 1v1

I’ll run it after work though for fun

[steel scarab]

@gleaming pawn I tried it, it was awful. I find that the damage from DTB is practically non existent, and the utility of our poisons is massively nerfed due to the PvP % reduction modifier combined with the reduced chance to proc with DTB

The only thing I could see is, maybe it could ramp up your Kingsbane damage over time quicker, but

For a prolonged match it just seems way worse

[surreal barn]

I think DTB is mainly for the 2% dam per poison buff

[steel scarab]

Right, but to get it you're giving up Sudden Demise, which is +10% to bleeds. And bleeds are like, 70% of our damage

DTB gives you two additional poisons, which is an extra 4% damage on all poisons and bleeds in an ideal scenario where you have all your bleeds and poisons applied to your target

[surreal barn]

Might be fun into demo with 4 set

[steel scarab]

Sudden Demise is just a flat 10% to your bleeds, which again, is almost all of our damage. They're actually pretty close, DTB vs. SD point per point

Problem is

It's not just a question of DTB vs. SD because both have the 2 point prerequisite. DTB has Poison Bomb which only procs off Envenom (which we don't use a ton in PvP) and is best when our opponent foolishly stands in the poison pool (which isn't super likely)

Versus, the 2 point agility talent, which in PvP is just objectively better, unless you for some reason are only applying your bleeds to 1 single target

Believe me, I really like DTB, I just think it's so nerfed in its current state that it's unplayable

Same with Dashing Scoundrel

[surreal barn]

Once we have two vanishes you might even see people doing DTB and SD instead of kingsbane

[steel scarab]

Maybe, I haven't looked at the new trees to know if I agree or not

[sick wasp]

dust on sin

[steel scarab]

Can I get a link to the new trees

[sick wasp]

TWW ones?

[steel scarab]

Aye

[sick wasp]

hold on

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/fatebound

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalker

deathstalker isnt implimented yet

cant imagine what sin would look like with dust tbh

but ild settle for the 2nd vanish

[steel scarab]

How many points do we get to spend in these hero trees?

[wintry dew]

all of them

and some are choice nodes

but you get everything there

[gleaming pawn]

The build is giving up some of the bleed rot pressure for more deadly (in theory) single target Kingsbane/Envenom windows. And quite frankly, I hate being a bleed rot bot and miss the threat of Assa single target, in addition to enjoy TC any potential changes or optimizations

[waxen meteor]

what rings you guys using now

it's kinda annoying we need crafted rings and no pve rings can be used like other classes

[sick wasp]

why not

[steel scarab]

For Deal Fate

It would seem Ambush should probably be included in that talent

[waxen meteor]

deathstalker is sin/sub just came out?

[steel scarab]

Threads of Fate is cool

[gleaming pawn]

You could use the diurna ring and either a flaming cowl, or shadowflame embellishment. But yeah needing to go double crafted ring is annoying

[waxen meteor]

Main problem is it's too slow

craft is 1 per 2 weeks

other classes are already done

this week

[gleaming pawn]

Nope it has not, not likely until Thursday because that’s when the alpha is updated. But Blizz also said it would be released “in the coming weeks” so I’m guessing not this Thursday

[waxen meteor]

i am still a bunch short for rogue

[gleaming pawn]

Yep, it’s really stupid that crafting is so timegated in this season

[waxen meteor]

like my DH/Ret alt are both basically done with pvp gear already

DH even has two sockets lol

I will probably take conquest ring but that's hardly a improvement

[sick wasp]

twice qued into double hunter lobby

on fukin lordaeron

[dapper chasm]

Did ANYONE try the Weakaura I poured my HEART AND SOUL into?

[gleaming pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[surreal barn]

You should delete the post

Shame on them

[dapper chasm]

Oh, so what is your full review?

[last jasper]

Let me guess. On a mage? 😂

[sick wasp]

yeah

i swear those mfkers gonna run up the tomb,ignore rings,orbs and pve on my body

[last jasper]

Yea. This is the only case when I’m close to type /afk as a mage

[sick wasp]

yeah,i cant do nothing man

its impossible

[last jasper]

Feel you

[waxen meteor]

So no tuning this week

I guess they are busy with panda stuff

[halcyon timber]

It is, its pretty filthy. I often generate 5 cb pts from testing. Bone spike with good usage working kinda like ruthlessness when using rupture also felt solid. Ambush poison talent (forget the name) especially when the coin stacks does like 160k ambushes when targets are shived. Assassins definitely have upfront punch in alpha. Envenoms do like 320k with the new psn talent + shiv + amp psn and if the coin crits on 6 stacks adds around 120k more as cosmic which also benefits from assassination amps (shiv etc) as it deals nature / physical/ frost / holy / shadow

[surreal barn]

Just line it all

[sick wasp]

as much as i can i do but slowly withering down

trading barriers,AT,blinks,displacement

[surreal barn]

Did you see the Hunter 4 set

[sick wasp]

they just trap and i either get rooted from the druid and forced to blink or get feared/stunned by a priest

[surreal barn]

And how much damage it does when it procs

[sick wasp]

cant remember now

but its MMs man

like what am i supposed to do

[surreal barn]

“Every 10 Focus you spend has a 3.0% chance to reset the cooldown of Rapid Fire and cause your next Rapid Fire to shoot 100% additional shots during its channel.”

[waxen meteor]

Mage is unplayable this week lol

[sick wasp]

im playing snowdrift and trying to spamlance them down,they just tank me ez

[waxen meteor]

autolose to marksman

[sick wasp]

this is disgusting

[surreal barn]

lol

I got 1800 on my third day ever

Last night

[waxen meteor]

nice

balance?

[surreal barn]

MM

[waxen meteor]

oh yeah it's been really good now

face cast on melee lol

[surreal barn]

Just target the clothie and then healer when clothie lines me

Stand in middle don’t move

[jolly sierra]

hunter is the ultimate anticaster

[waxen meteor]

[sick wasp]

turret range specc

in arena

coz why not

[jolly sierra]

rapid fire in milisecond they lines off

they come back and still get shot

[surreal barn]

Not even kidding

[jolly sierra]

disgusting

[surreal barn]

Smoke bomb?

[jolly sierra]

do u remember double tap?

[surreal barn]

My pet roar of sacrifices

[sick wasp]

ik i would have to stun or blind the pet or something

i wouldnt mind if i was playing my rogue

but as a mage

im getting gangbanged

railed down

[jolly sierra]

sometimes the fkn pet dies by the bleed cleave

luckily

as a lock i hate them tbh

and as a monk too

[waxen meteor]

I know

honestly i have seen a lot of marksman playing this way

[jolly sierra]

w monk they just snare me twice and its over

[waxen meteor]

but anyway i said that before tuning was deployed

15% aim shot and rapid fire is beyond op

[sick wasp]

its mental

[waxen meteor]

my SP is also unplayable this week

i died in black ball twice this week

literallyh

[sick wasp]

lol man

[waxen meteor]

i think the marksman either too good at calculation

[jolly sierra]

dude pre buff i got shot down by a 240k aimed shot + an arcane shot in a VERY short time lapse

[waxen meteor]

or he didn't even know i am in black ball form

tf

[sick wasp]

like they care

[jolly sierra]

i was like "sure i wont die im like 50% hp"

[sick wasp]

they press AS into RF

[jolly sierra]

BOOM dead

[sick wasp]

then put some sauce and repeat

[waxen meteor]

ooooops panda that's noob, when marksman aims at you, 50% is a dead body even in s2

it's kinda funny

[jolly sierra]

are u FR

[waxen meteor]

when i play marksman in s2

[jolly sierra]

never expected 2 crits at same time

ffs

[waxen meteor]

whenever i am casting aimed shot and they leave me free, if target is at <60%, he is almost sure dead

[jolly sierra]

god dammit

[waxen meteor]

it's 3 skill dmg burst out in single global

there's no way you survive

[jolly sierra]

fuck that happens cuz i dont understand hunters

[waxen meteor]

and then follows a rapid fire

[jolly sierra]

i just cared about gouging rapid fires and stepping snipers

[waxen meteor]

which you can do nothing

sniper honestly is a bit overrated

it's super in bg

but in arena it's meh

[surreal barn]

I used the hell out of it

[jolly sierra]

sniper in SS w a bunch of zugs is a big deal tho

[waxen meteor]

whenever you can use sniper, you can do othe same for aimed shot

dmg is close, casting time <<<<<<

[surreal barn]

I only used for the range

[jolly sierra]

nobody cares about interrupting

[waxen meteor]

yeah it's more for range

in caster lobby prbly

[jolly sierra]

so safely will pass at least 1

[waxen meteor]

against melee, don't even take that pvp talent

[surreal barn]

The ranged volley is op

[jolly sierra]

rapid fire

[waxen meteor]

concussion shot is what you will use instead of sniper against melee

70% slow

and 4s stun

[waxen meteor]

Yeah

[jolly sierra]

rapid fire is filthy af dunno how tf it doesnt fades in los

but some channeled abilities does

dont tell me is hunter mark, sometimes is neither active

[waxen meteor]

it doesn't

[waxen meteor]

You do

then volley

then aim

[jolly sierra]

i had hide against them a lot of times in los and still get shot

[waxen meteor]

then all dmg burst out at same global when aimed shot hits you

[sick wasp]

chakram yeah

stupid shit bouncing on me behind the corner

[surreal barn]

After volley you kinda want rapid fire so that it doubles from trick shots

Then your aimed is 30% faster and can fit in the window

At least that’s how I read it

[waxen meteor]

Nuh try aim after volley

Rapid will still be 30% faster

Volley dmg doesn’t come out after 2-3 seconds

Which aligns perfectly with aim shot

Then you shoot faster rapid shot which cannot be los

[surreal barn]

But check the rapid fire tooltip

How is rapid shot faster after aimed? What talent is that

Are you talking about on open?

Cause i can see that

[last jasper]

guys, huntard. c'mon

btw, am I the only one who see this shit for like 2 days already?

and it wont go away

[waxen meteor]

Yeat at open, the problem is

if you rapid fire, most un-dumb people start to react

that's too visually noteacible

can easily lose aim shot or sniper after it, even if they cannot los, they will use defensive, or even healer can react

on the other hand, after you cast Death Chakram (take some time to fly there and do dmg per tik), after you do volley

you have a room to cast aim shot (either at open or at people off guard, because pervious two skills don't do much dmg at first seconds)

then your aimshot hit (all 3 skill dmg comes out together), they will suddenly have empty hp bar

then they might start to find pillar but you are on rapid fire

you can move with them, and also they cannot los it

[surreal barn]

Gotcha

[harsh steppe]

guess what guys

[wintry dew]

you married a rich woman

[harsh steppe]

no she was poor but that's not why we got divorced

[wintry dew]

Then i've no idea

[harsh steppe]

i forgot that pika was almost R1 as a tauren
then i found out today that last season i believe there was a rogue i think his name is kalvish that was really good apparently? and he played a draeni

so i'm just not going to care about race and just have fun

[last jasper]

Was really good apparently 😂

[harsh steppe]

yah i haven't looked him up yet is he really good lol

[last jasper]

The kid is quite insane

[harsh steppe]

oh wow he's only 18 years old

[wintry dew]

Imagine listening to your fellow rogue friends in the #pvp channel

[last jasper]

Yea. Was just about to said this

[harsh steppe]

if i had a dime for everytime you guys were right

https://tenor.com/view/scrooge-mcduck-ducktales-diving-money-coins-gif-7883464

[wintry dew]

And yet you keep trying to get your info everywhere (reddit/discord/???) and then have conflicted ideas about stuff we talk about every single day

[harsh steppe]

i have trust issues lol not really but i have pretty bad OCD
but i will work on that 👍

what will hyper min/max obsess over next week? stay tuned to... DRAGONBALL Z....!

[last jasper]

it just a game.

play what gives u fun

[wintry dew]

I will be honest, i'm not a good PvPer whatsoever, i get 1.8 with some classes for TMOG and thats it, i dont even use 1/2/3 macros, never in my life have i ever

[jolly sierra]

i have a lot of trust issues too but tbh i stopped caring about helping once i see people doesnt hear what im talking

[jolly sierra]

2k1

i dont use focus macros

XD

[wintry dew]

I use focus blind and gouge

and thats it XD

[jolly sierra]

i just tab

lol

[last jasper]

I have a focus blind. on my keyboard

but I use tab blind 😄

[steel scarab]

I don't use focus macros

[wintry dew]

focus blind its my X

[harsh steppe]

ok ill work on that ty guys for being patient with me ❤️

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeong-gif-3654754744145897317

[wintry dew]

xD

What i mean is

Even i, with low PvP knowledge

without macros

without most of the addons/was

can reach 1.8 by tabbing

[last jasper]

Aeghis made 2.4 on his fresh mage in s3 with 0 addons

so...

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/some-men-just-want-to-watch-the-world-burn-batman-alfred-quotes-gif-14054558

[wintry dew]

one of my rogues:

[jolly sierra]

one?

[wintry dew]

i have 2

this expac i used the second one to pvp

As yall can see

[steel scarab]

@wintry dew yeah I hit 1800 without a Diminishing Returns tracker

I hit 2300 without a trinket tracker or Gladius

[wintry dew]

im NOT a good rogue xD

[steel scarab]

It can absolutely be done

[wintry dew]

imagine USING them

wait

those dont show SS

fuck that it doesnt show solo shuffle ratings

only rated 2v2 and 3v3

my first and only duelist

[surreal barn]

WTF you all should try out some focus macros lol

This is the rogue pvp discord loooool

It will change your game

[harsh steppe]

[wintry dew]

Will it make me get 1800 faster?

my record was 10 queus in s3

[surreal barn]

Not faster than 10 queues

🤦‍♂️

[wintry dew]

i was playing day1 of the season

vs glads everywhere

and somehow managed to get 1800 the first day

[jolly sierra]

not enough keys lol

[gilded gulch]

i got the s1 enchant

and was like, not even halfway through the participation award mount

never bothered to get it

[stoic spruce]

This seasons mount is cool tho

[gilded gulch]

glad mount or freebie one

[stoic spruce]

Freebie

The raptor cat

[jolly sierra]

freebie ones are available in late patches anyways

still think we need a vicious saddle vendor which trades them for gold

[gilded gulch]

my motivation this season is like non existent

[jolly sierra]

fucking saddles after a lot of time turns obnoxious

[gilded gulch]

enchant looks terrible

[stoic spruce]

I don't have anyone will to play with a non-crackshot outlaw so the chances of me getting glad are slim to none

[jolly sierra]

dirt enchant

[wintry dew]

s2 tho :C

[stoic spruce]

Wdym you don't like glittery fart?

[harsh steppe]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/bind-pad let's you have as many keybinds as you want, no excuses

[gilded gulch]

yeah blizz is only allowed to make one good enchant per expac

[wintry dew]

and thats it

xD

[gilded gulch]

they started sl with sinful flame

then

[wintry dew]

we just played the wrong season

[gilded gulch]

what the fuck

are the next 3

[wintry dew]

also got s1

[stoic spruce]

I never use the enchants anyway tbh

[gilded gulch]

is crackshot even good still

[stoic spruce]

Well its gotta be lol

[gilded gulch]

i thought outlaw was just deadge

[stoic spruce]

It's not as much output obv but it's alrighy

[gilded gulch]

kalvish playing forgestorm mh

with shadowflame wreathe

[stoic spruce]

Amazing

[gilded gulch]

idk if that snowball craft is troll or not

[wintry dew]

i saw akrololz using it too

[stoic spruce]

I run GSW and KS and I do about as much dam as a tank

[wintry dew]

(i believe it was him)

[idle root]

at least i have crimson vial 😋

[stoic spruce]

I wonder what it tastes like

My headcanon is it's cranberry juice

[wintry dew]

wanna see something funny?

[gilded gulch]

i never hear anyone using it for pve even

so wonder why its a pvp thing

[wintry dew]

my GM / RL plays destro warlock

[harsh steppe]

if i try sarena instead do i need a seperate dr tracker or does sarena do everything

[stoic spruce]

What's that

[wintry dew]

and he likes to roleplay as a tank

[gilded gulch]

snowball crafted items

spiritual knick knacks or w/e

[gilded gulch]

trill was using it

[stoic spruce]

Oh yeah I didn't know that was a thing until now

[idle root]

im not surprised

[wintry dew]

the glad ret friend replied with:

"1min CD shield with 130% of my total HP All good all good. 🙃 "

[stoic spruce]

Gyat dang

[wanton breach]

i tried snowballs last season, it was okay, like 4% of the damage

didn't feel great though

[waxen meteor]

yeah the double rings are really good

[gleaming pawn]

Oh that reminds me, the ring from Diurna that has a proc on it (not the eranog ring) has a fuck load of mastery on it and would qualify as a pve ring as per our earlier discussion

[waxen meteor]

Yeah

It’s very nice

And ret/DH also benefit from them to max gear

Maybe some other classes too

[steel scarab]

You can get this to 535 with crests?

If you buy it with a Bulleon?

[waxen meteor]

yes

one ring only, the shield/mastery one

[gleaming pawn]

The eranog ring might be worth it if you’re already procing the diurna ring. The damage proc is meh in pvp but it has high vers crit

[steel scarab]

I'm thinking it may not be worth it for me yet, since I already have 2 conquest rings (a mastery one I bought and a crit one from my vault with a socket)

[waxen meteor]

conquest is basically uncapped next week

i think everbody should have all purple pvp gear next week

[steel scarab]

Oh nice

[harsh steppe]

is there a cap on rating? what's considered "good" rating? 2400+?

[steel scarab]

I think it depends on class.

For rogue, over 1800 is pretty good.

For hunter or DH, 1800 is brainless

[harsh steppe]

what is glad? 2400? elite 2100 is that right

[wintry dew]

2400 + 40 wins

[steel scarab]

I don't think people are truly great until 2600 or so

[wintry dew]

above 2400

[harsh steppe]

ahh

[steel scarab]

Yeah, that probably tracks, 2400 with 40 wins to prove you belong there

[harsh steppe]

omg wow there's a vulpera rogue lol

[wintry dew]

40 wins above 2400 = gladiator mount

[harsh steppe]

2606 wow

[steel scarab]

Genius level

[dapper chasm]

You put a Weakaura out there, that's like baring your soul naked to the world, you know?

[harsh steppe]

LOL

stalker

[dapper chasm]

What?!

I just want recognition, the recognition I deserve

[harsh steppe]

what exactly is R1? just the top rated player in any given bracket? or is it a percent

[wintry dew]

top 0.1% i believe

[harsh steppe]

interesting

who are all the glads in here besides raz

not pinging them or anything jw

[dapper chasm]

I know a lot about this topic from my old PvP days

The secrets, the societies

[harsh steppe]

lmao

did you end up using any of my pro WAs?

[dapper chasm]

Review my weakaura and I might indulge you

Wait, yours?

I was talking about mine

[harsh steppe]

oh

[dapper chasm]

That explains the stalker comment

Look

I'll show you mine if you show me yours

[harsh steppe]

ok

[dapper chasm]

But I expect yours to be turd

[harsh steppe]

https://wago.io/IX2zYtQzQ

[dapper chasm]

You actually uploaded it to there?

[harsh steppe]

it's automatic R1

[dapper chasm]

5/10

A solid 5/10

[harsh steppe]

❤️ i'll take it

ok now where's yours

[dapper chasm]

I aint uploading shit

The code is above to import

You wana see a MAN'S energy bar?

It has more elements disabled than most energy bars have enabled

BEOLD

Also behold

[harsh steppe]

bruh you expect me to actually import your wa

this better not be a virus

[dapper chasm]

If I hack your shit via Weakauras, I deserve your shit

[wintry dew]

LOL

[harsh steppe]

ooo i like it

[dapper chasm]

Well, it probably looks shit without my fonts and textures

[harsh steppe]

nah looks good

9/10

[dapper chasm]

Also, mine uses chimes on a scale going up

[harsh steppe]

oh nice

[dapper chasm]

Which require sounds you might not have

[harsh steppe]

oh that's a good idea

[dapper chasm]

It adds a musical flavour to the killing, yes

Now export my vanish ico

icon*

Import even

And behold, animated icons

Once you got it somewhere, try popping in and out of stealth and using vanish

It also tracks magical/physical dots

Oh, it also pulses

Like 3 different ways

[harsh steppe]

that's what she said

[dapper chasm]

No, no, my wife hates video games

[hexed pollen]

someone here told me that these werent going to go top dollar next teir like a month ago when i was like i have 340 of them and saving them for right now, well they at 850G per lmao

[harsh steppe]

oh noo

[hexed pollen]

were 150G per

[harsh steppe]

ok

just hodl

[dapper chasm]

Import faster, you prude

I'm so close

[harsh steppe]

ok i got them gonna que up now

if i dont immediately get r1, i want a refund

[dapper chasm]

Use a target dummy, you fool

Don't jump into life or death with untested tools

It's madness

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/dive-tub-summer-gif-5789350

[wintry dew]

how much is that if all of them sell?

[halcyon timber]

51k before ah cut no?(340x150g) 850g x 340 = 289k before house tax

[wintry dew]

that aint bad

[hexed pollen]

bout 300K

i got 267K after AH cut

pays for my all my pots i use

[wintry dew]

huge

lets go

[harsh steppe]

is pvpleaderboard . com reliable?

[wintry dew]

What are you trying to learn there?

[harsh steppe]

well i'm confused because if i go here to top solo shuffle subs:
https://www.pvpleaderboard.com/leaderboards/solo/us/rogue/subtlety
i can see a few top players here, but it's missing "Esraxo" who is apparently a glad velf
so i'm wondering why he's not on the main leaderboard
i found esraxo by filtering for void elves

[wintry dew]

Use murlok

[harsh steppe]

ok

is multi glad someone that's gotten glad on different classes or gotten glad in different seasons?

[wintry dew]

One of them or both

[dapper chasm]

You forgot the third option

neither

[wintry dew]

Shut up you're old

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/maggie-smith-kettle-calling-the-pot-black-gif-13602357

[surreal barn]

Drustvar is updated

[warped fern]

anyone in here have exp with sin in pvp? im stuggle to do much damage compared to other dps. im getting KBs and able to CC but my damage is just embarressingly bad.

[harsh steppe]

tysm

[tribal badger]

damn spicy execute in the opener

[outer sky]

Does this buff Kingsbane?

[halcyon timber]

Lethal Weapon poisons effects consist of deadly / amplifying / wound / instant. So no sir , only talents that say “increasing nature damage or increases all damage by x %”

[halcyon timber]

No sir but wait for the red tags to get active and you’ll get some good answers. Figured an answer rather than no answer . Hope you get the help you’re looking for man.

[sick wasp]

it buffs the lethal poison KB scales from though

so it does ''buff'' it in an indirect way

now that uve mentioned gonna ask the sinlords

[halcyon timber]

Might as well, Lethal dose / shiv etc does along with lethality yadda yadda /shrug. Figured KB is independent as it interacts with itself no? Lethal ticks increase the damage but not the damage from those buffing it.

[sick wasp]

yup those im aware of

but its a solid question that needs a clarification

always nice to remember

tossed a question on frozensoviet

man's a nerd

im looking at the tooltip from what KB scales from

[halcyon timber]

Was under the impression lethals are the independent variable where KB is dependent. More ticks = more damage in that relationship vs less hits such as with wound psn would mean less var triggers for KB to increase its strength

[sick wasp]

i think there is a portion of the instant poison dmg that might scale from wpn dmg but im waiting for a validation

or not 😅

it definitely scales from attack power/mastery and poison stacks

that means the higher the poison stacks the more dmg it does overtime

[halcyon timber]

Naturally yes, application of a poison and random procs of instant theough deadly / amp gives a 2:1 ratio with that logic as well.

So 40% increase if 2 events occur near or exactly simultaneously. (Dunno if there is an ICD) or if DTB essentially could apply 4 stacks in tandem on luck ( deadly + deadly instant (2?) + amp + amp instant (2?) = 4)

[sick wasp]

doubt there is an ICD,thats some deep tech

[halcyon timber]

Not including SND

[sick wasp]

poison applications come from every atk

i will ask whispyr for that

[halcyon timber]

Yeah no idea, only way to “know” is to test many times, auto attack only and take off lethal dose probably

[sick wasp]

thats PH.D lvl information

[halcyon timber]

Yeah deep cool stuff though

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=385627/kingsbane

If accurate, sheds more light on that.

So 7 ticks total without haste over the 14sec (unsure if it scales that way) so it does become a probability game at that point based on events / outcomes i would think.

[sick wasp]

yeah that makes sense

ive read the tooltip as well

[halcyon timber]

Not including if one uses it in an envenom window for higher % to slam a proc or shiv yeah? Well shiv is offhand so nvm as we are interested in Mh only. Freak luck in that sense could get 5-6 stacks (?)

[sick wasp]

on a KB window u want to fully cover it with 2 shivs

every single time

and ofc u ideally wanna press KB while envenom buff is active and after u shived

we kinda want to ramp those stacks as fast as possible

[steel scarab]

#1 priority during Kingsbane is having the Envenom buff

#2 priority is having Shiv up

[stoic spruce]

theyre catching on to me

[gleaming pawn]

Well do more dam already, geez

[stoic spruce]

Okie dokie

[harsh steppe]

is OCE ranking different than us or eu ranking?

[wintry dew]

Why

[harsh steppe]

just curious if it’s easier for them to get higher ranking, or if they are on par with the rest of us competition-wise

[wintry dew]

I know there's a zone where they have a Lot of wintrading going

https://check-pvp.fr/ranking?region=tw&faction=all&minRating=1500&maxRating=4200&realm=all&specs=all&classes=all&sort=rateatm3v3&order=desc&page=1

That's what win trading looks to me

[tiny maple]

How does your outlaw dmg usually compare to other specs in 3s or solo shuffle? Lets say compared to a typical warrior or something like that

[wanton breach]

what is that 'damage' you are speaking of?

[outer sky]

What is this guy talking about?

[wintry dew]

Dis nuts

[wanton breach]

my educated guess would be deez nuts build

[wintry dew]

Hello other pink guy who doesn't say hi back

[wanton breach]

hi pink guy

👋

[wintry dew]

You ignored me yesterday 😦

[wanton breach]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wave-hi-ragdoll-gif-25517469

[outer sky]

I mean the meme aside is there actually a build better than this for 3s?

[wintry dew]

I'm not educated enough to be able to answer that this season @outer sky

[outer sky]

So are we the only class getting nerfed in TWW so far?

[broken otter]

Why is the season 4 transmog set in my appearances tab showing season 3's armor set? I thought the season 2 (the blue one from Zaralek season) won the vote (NA)?

[pliant mauve]

Season 3 won.

[broken otter]

Well fuck

[pliant mauve]

lol

[broken otter]

I wanted season 2 mog so bad.

F

[pliant mauve]

Yeah. It’s kind of fucked

[broken otter]

Guess I'm just sticking to my Mage, then.

Season 3 was sooooo ugly