pvp

[wintry dew]

2nd row in the middle

No third

Around that area

It's a choice nod

[harsh steppe]

ahh ok tysm

[safe pelican]

Day 247 of me asking one of the secret WoW devs in here to nerf holy priest ✅

Or Buff rogue I’ll take either or

[harsh steppe]

let's GOOO just conq gear from here on out woot

[surreal barn]

Are you still able to return that

[harsh steppe]

idk why

[surreal barn]

I think we be upgrading offhand last ya?

[harsh steppe]

upgrading? wym

it came at this level

[surreal barn]

More of a stat stick

I’d get the warmongering mastery cape next tho

The one with more mastery than versa

[harsh steppe]

ohhhh i gotcha

no i know i just like getting all my non conq stuff first it gives me less stress for some reason LOL

but isn’t conq cape better than wpvp cape?

[surreal barn]

No

Not this early

[harsh steppe]

ahh ok ty

[proud folio]

OTOH now you can try outlaw if you want without having terrible damage

[sick wasp]

[surreal ravine]

soo.. assa is broken ?

im just gonna say what we all know... assa is op, nerf incoming

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/you-try-jinx-upset-really-mad-gif-14520037

[jaunty osprey]

Assa is really good, but not broken

Still a lot of counters and ways of shutting it down

Nothing has changed from last season; except that we don’t have the super OP cloak anymore

Train Sin and you win

[sick wasp]

sin is strong right now ye but op idk

spatter is bugged and does less dmg by a factor of 4

in pve

dunno how ''aoe'' works out for pvp though

so in terms of whats actually gonna happen is BUFFING sin

by fixing the bug

[jaunty osprey]

Don’t think you run Splatter in pvp

[sick wasp]

ye ik

[jaunty osprey]

I tried it last season and it wasn’t much damage

[sick wasp]

it doesnt work on pvp

too smol range

[jaunty osprey]

And the bug is only in awakened raids with the awakened buff

[sick wasp]

and its greatly diminished

[harsh steppe]

sub 4 LyFE

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-world-of-warcraft-classic-rogue-rogue-pv-p-gif-18999746

[harsh steppe]

LOL
yah and a perfect rotation i bet

[tidal steeple]

Hey guys. I've been focusing on RBG's lately. And I've played outlaw for a long long time now. But I catch a lot of flack for it in RBG's, to the point of being refused.
I'm having a hard time transitioning to either sub or assass for multiple reasons.
Mainly, what's better in rbgs (if I have to learn a new spec I might as well learn the one that's doing better atm)
And does anyone have any suggested videos to learn the rotations?

[harsh steppe]

assassin is the top spec atm
check out Shadnox on youtube to learn rotations & such
that being said i think you should play what you like & ignore the doofuses refusing you, i hear outlaw is the best spec for RBGs
with the knew shuffle rbgs coming you won’t need a team anyways, so just focus on honing outlaw
unless you aren’t attached to outlaw ofc

[tidal steeple]

I just have a ton of hours already dumped into outlaw. Both pvp and pve. I just want to push past 1800 and I kept getting refused once around that rating because "not the right spec"

@harsh steppe but thank you for the input.
Maybe I'll start practicing assass just to try it out

[tawny kestrel]

outlaw is the worst of the 3 for rbg, sub is played on base maps and fc maps depending on the enemy fc class and silvershard if youre off carts, assa is played on silvershard if youre teamfight, kotmogu, gilneas if youre teamfight

outlaw is played on a grand total of 0 maps unless youre special and cant play the other 2 specs

also assa isnt necessarily the "top" spec for arena atm, ppl saw streamers play it and assume its best. high chance they were just trying it out or whatever, outlaw is still better if you want to play more than like 2-3 comps

[jaunty osprey]

raz, stream wen

[tawny kestrel]

i did a shuffle the other day mate

but it’s so hard to stream that shit, i’ve played 2 shuffles and i’m 2.7 mmr

unplayable bracket if you can’t play all day and night

[surreal barn]

At least you can play at that mmr

[restive hemlock]

Did something change to make assa so strong or is it just that no one else has tier yet and it'll fall off like last season?

[surreal barn]

I get spanked right back down

[gleaming pawn]

It didn’t fall off last season. There’s just more eyes on it atm. And maybe a little bit of interaction with the AGI per rupture talent + s4 AGI levels

[surreal barn]

I guarantee it’s the versa gear everyone has instead of their higher damage + set bonus gear

Once that change happens assa will deal a little more and take it in the ass a lot more

Outlaw will reign supreme once again

[untold remnant]

True dat, altho I was trolling in a low mmr (1800 or so) RBG with the guild last Wednesday, and was topping the meters in teamfight Gilneas as Outlaw, playing the modified HO PvE build. I out dps'd my team and the enemy. Which surprised me tbh

BQQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfsBAkQCRSgIhESkkkkmkEtkIlkAAAAAAAlWIIJJFSKRAAAAIJJA

This one, worked pretty well 😛 but ye, assa will rule the teamfight if played well

[restive hemlock]

Yea like their weaknesses from previous seasons haven't gone away. I imagine the spec will fall behind as others with better tier sets start gearing up

Maybe I'll gear one of my rogues as assa but still enjoying Outlaw after they changed it to sub light

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah, I understand lol

I had to queue my alt rogue this season cause my main was 2900 shuff last season

Alt rogue already 2650 mmr on NA and 1 hr queues

[untold remnant]

Damn

[jaunty osprey]

And I only have 3 hrs to play a day

[surreal barn]

As assa who do you target devastation/frost/holy priest

I swear this is my matchup every time I queue over 2.5

[jaunty osprey]

Frost what

DK or mage

[surreal barn]

Mage

[jaunty osprey]

Mage is what I normally do

Can’t stay on Evoker w a mage peeling and Hover + null

[surreal barn]

Do you take DFA to keep up

And avoid the stun

[jaunty osprey]

short sprint CD

is what I use

[surreal barn]

That too

I took both

[jaunty osprey]

bomb sprint control is king or neurotoxin

[surreal barn]

Hmm, I had bomb sprint and dfa

[jaunty osprey]

I like neuro for when i’m aoeing

Don’t really need control is king, but it helps w energy for sanguine blades

[surreal barn]

It does

I got lordaeron both times

It was tough lol

[jaunty osprey]

I honestly like Lord vs casters

I go for a lot of restealths when I play shuf

[surreal barn]

I feel like it’s hard to pillar

And get away from the devoker

I try for the re a lot as well

I think my losses were due to not sticking mage and going devoker

[jaunty osprey]

Ye frost mage pretty much does no damage if your healer just dispels frost bomb and you sit on him

only time you take damage is when you’re stunned

But otherwise your healer only has to deal w Devoker damage

Actually had one of those lobbies 2 days ago

[last jasper]

lol, I feel like I only face frost mages only on this map. 😂

[nova sentinel]

Why is Outlaw ranked higher in PvP, I feel, for rbgs at least, Sub does so much better with burst a d self healing

[restive hemlock]

I don't think Outlaw is better in rBGs. Def strong in arena though

[surreal barn]

That’s great I wish you recorded it

[jaunty osprey]

I record every lobby!

[hidden moth]

what spec are u playing?

[jaunty osprey]

Sin

[jaunty osprey]

#pvp message

Raz is multi r1 rogue and rbgs

Outlaw is only really played in arena

[jaunty osprey]

I’ll check if I can find a clip of that matchup when I’m home later tonight

[surreal barn]

It would be greatly appreciated

[nova sentinel]

@jaunty osprey Raz is multi r? I don't understand

[jaunty osprey]

multi rank1 rogue - so his opinions and whatnot are good to listen to

Click the link I sent

[waxen meteor]

Raz is a name

Others like Jason said

[nova sentinel]

@jaunty osprey ty

[stoic spruce]

so when people say theyre tired of the pirate stuff in wow, what exactly were they talking about?

[wintry dew]

a rogue spec using a gun

or they are just tired of plunderstorm

[stoic spruce]

I mean before that

when we didnt know what the mystery patch was

I personally think they just dont like pirates and they say "all the pirate stuff" to exaggerate the amount of pirate content theres actually been

[tribal badger]

i dont think anyone is complaining about pirate content

there is very little pirate content

[harsh steppe]

thanks raz
you hear some crazy stuff on this server lol so it’s nice of you to clear some things up 👍

[tribal badger]

the hidden patch 10.2.6 was theorized ahead of time to be pirate related (which it ended up being pirate themed)

so i guess that coulda been what they were talking about

[stoic spruce]

its been around but I dont think theres an actual arguement for it ofc

[tribal badger]

where do u see this

[stoic spruce]

forums and wowhead

[tribal badger]

r u sure ur not confusing it with people complaining about outlaw being a pirate spec

[stoic spruce]

not at all

[tribal badger]

then i have no idea what they would be talking about

the only pirate thing is plunderstorm

[stoic spruce]

me either lol

ive been meaing to ask that forever

[tribal badger]

they r probably just complaining about that

because they dont wanna pvp to get the mog

and it is quite a good mog so

fomo

[stoic spruce]

trios actually fun

I was sad that its another limited time event

[grave basin]

new mogs on wowhead

for trading post

[stoic spruce]

I hope theyre good

cant wait to see tomorrow

(?)

[grave basin]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/may-2024-reward-for-completing-travelers-log-wings-of-the-amber-monarch-transmog-339061

https://www.wowhead.com/news/may-2024-trading-post-items-2-pets-and-amber-skitterfly-mount-339060

it's just more world of UwU

[stoic spruce]

LALALALALALALA I CANT READ YOU LALALALALALALALA

[grave basin]

i guess i should smack my opponents with flowers so they can die of cringe

[tribal badger]

the crown model isnt bad ngl

the roses r more subtle then some of the other models

[surreal barn]

The same people want outlaw renamed combat again

[stoic spruce]

I figured it was

every spec has a fantasy

combat is just that

combat

no fantasy

but I digress

[novel karma]

Pirate fantasy got dialed back a pot post legion anyway

[stoic spruce]

as long as the undertones are there im pretty okay with that

[novel karma]

Yeah there's some pirate fantasy but the spec leaves you enough flavor to be highwayman, dirty brawler and whatnot

[stoic spruce]

now if only we werent pigeonholed into a talent

[surreal barn]

Sunflower staff kinda cool

[novel karma]

Which talent?

[stoic spruce]

crackshot

[surreal barn]

I really need to learn how to play caster

[novel karma]

I really like that talent tho

It gives outlaw sort of burst but in a thematic way

[stoic spruce]

and thats fine but its soooooooooooooo strong compared to the other capstones

[novel karma]

Wcyd

[stoic spruce]

hope that KS casts dispatches next expac

[novel karma]

I think the gameplay it provides is good enough for me to ignore a capstone issue

[stoic spruce]

thats it tho lol

[novel karma]

I've gotten back into pvp just recently but seems like ks is in a good place

You can take it

[stoic spruce]

sure but I just dont like being forced into Crackshot

I do take it sometimes

like

no

im not getting into it lol

it makes me sad every time and I have to go outside when that happens

[wintry dew]

I feel personally attacked

[surreal barn]

I too will label myself as one of those people. I think brawler suits it better though

[tribal badger]

combat is way more lame then outlaw

outlaw isnt even a pirate

thank god they didnt name it pirate

[stoic spruce]

outlaw is such a broad term

[tribal badger]

outlaw covers all the flavors of bandit/pirate/highwayman and such

[stoic spruce]

could mean pirate or combat

[tribal badger]

what does combat mean

[wintry dew]

If they removed BtE/pistol shot/rtb and replaced them with something else I'd be happy(er)

[halcyon timber]

Combat is a great deftones song

[tribal badger]

combats a thing u enter

combat isnt the name of a style

😠

was always a silly name

[stoic spruce]

minerva is my fav

OKAY FINE

COMBATANT

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/on-fire-cowboy-shooting-gun-gif-15317612

[halcyon timber]

That’s a good one. I dig rocket skates and stuff from older albums too like head up or 7 words

[wintry dew]

Outlaw when p.shot procs

[halcyon timber]

Say when!

[surreal barn]

When I played combat way back when the skill names made me feel like some kind of ronin master of blades

[wintry dew]

Same

[surreal barn]

The martial artist that could pick up any weapon on the rack

[wintry dew]

Imagine the following:
Pistol shot replaced with something like "arsenal" throw, where you just literally throw a weapon on the target. NO more pistol

[stoic spruce]

me in SL with db/flag/greenskin

assa throw knife should be better

literally the coolest ability in the game

[wintry dew]

Shuriken from Sub also looks fitting

[surreal barn]

Speaking of new skills, you know how kaelthas summons weapons to fight for him

How cool would it be as a mage skill

[halcyon timber]

The first Outlaw waiting to smoke warriors colorized during the first war https://southcarolinalowcountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/the-Patriot-2.jpg.webp

[stoic spruce]

fury wishes they were outlaw

[wintry dew]

They do

[stoic spruce]

we have everything they have but better

[halcyon timber]

They received his fire orbs on sunfury tree. Shit is nasty af

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/3e03e189-7846-4c77-a468-3218705ca726/scale-to-width/755 spellslinger mage reminds me of sypha from castelvania which she was badass in that fight mixing magics

[stoic spruce]

they have a leap that works

[halcyon timber]

Yeah warrior will be filthy in tww. Wondering how long till Warriors can’t be feared/ incapped when people use that during demolish. Akin to how dismantle was snuffed from stopping bladestorm.

[wintry dew]

Grappling hook works 100% of the times it does

[stoic spruce]

60% of the time it works everytime B)

[halcyon timber]

I read that as yoda for some reason

[halcyon timber]

Sx panther xD

[stoic spruce]

LOL she gets it

what exactly is pheromone perfume?

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-ron-burgundy-paul-rudd-cologne-perfume-gif-3479271

[jolly sierra]

im one of them

[jolly sierra]

for me is something like gilgamesh from fate with all those fkn weps being tossed lol

[lavish idol]

Is 1 tank 2 dps new for s4?

in solo shuffle

[sick wasp]

thats some rank 1 tech

wait ik that name

but

wait am i tripping or u are a warrior main?

[stoic spruce]

if its prot pally no

[lavish idol]

I don't think I ever got a lobby with a prot and no heal

[stoic spruce]

prot warrior sure

but def not prot pally

they need new names

this mix up happens a looot

[jaunty osprey]

Naw, rogue main

Ivanrah / Jsnlol

[sick wasp]

oh thats NA

nvm me

[stoic spruce]

okay but like

rogue main or sub?

because theres a difference

[jaunty osprey]

I play all 3 specs to glad every season so

rogue main?

[sick wasp]

very s@xy

me like

[sharp sierra]

how is sub / outlaw in war within

[jolly sierra]

nobody knows

[sick wasp]

ive upgraded my tww to epic version and opted in for alpha

getting beta for sure

so hold on for couple of weeks or a bit more

im gonna burn out in beta

[stoic spruce]

m

nah sub players dont deserve nice things

[sick wasp]

sub is always good in pvp btw

no matter what

[stoic spruce]

should start a spec war

because reelz loves sub

[sharp sierra]

is sub good now in pvp?

[stoic spruce]

so it gets all the cheez

[stoic spruce]

its never not good

[jolly sierra]

sub is weak af rn

in pvp

[sharp sierra]

shiiit

[stoic spruce]

rn doesnt matter because the season just started

unholy is good rn

but like

it wont last forever

[jolly sierra]

unholy is cannon fodder for assa

[stoic spruce]

truly

killing DKs is so cathartic

[sharp sierra]

i hear assassa is pumping

[stoic spruce]

im still picking pieces of a DKs ass out of my boot from the other day

[sick wasp]

sin rn is very good

[stoic spruce]

sin/unholy making a name for itself rn

randomly deleting half a health bar

[sick wasp]

and the way it functions is kinda doing ''unavoidable'' dmg

u can spread bleeds effectively everywhere and pressing shiv hurts alot

huge pressure

and it does very very good dmg

[waxen meteor]

blitz is too dumb

3-0 4th game got me placed in a team with 1184 MMR

[sick wasp]

[wintry dew]

@jolly sierra I might maybe commit a crime soon

(in game)

[jolly sierra]

was cuz the thing u asked in off topic? lol

[wintry dew]

No, its worse

I MIGHT... get Plate warrior T3.

[fallen scaffold]

It's fucking PUMPING

[surreal ravine]

Actually I am happy that you replied. Because I prefer to stay sub.

[jolly sierra]

i wanna that fkn tier for myself too

maybe will farm more gold and craft one

[wintry dew]

Me too. I'll probably buy 1 token a month to shorten the process as well

[jolly sierra]

could work

but maybe can get the drood one too

[last jasper]

They just had a huge price hit. At least on eu (

Can someone tell what u do as assa with no dance. Dots up and re?

[jolly sierra]

restealth

[last jasper]

Cuz I felt like spamming envenom for no reason

[jolly sierra]

or run if u are being trained

[last jasper]

And when u do have shithead with bleed dispel?

[fallen scaffold]

Don't envenom unless you just kingsbaned

Waste of a global

[last jasper]

That’s what I felt. It did 0 outside of dance

[jolly sierra]

reapply

[last jasper]

And re?

[fallen scaffold]

You're just spreading garrotes and ruptures and crimson tempest on everyone, restealthing whenever you can to get silenced garrotes.... shadowstepping heals to kick and/or cc, cc off target etc

Basically same shit you're doing on dance

[jolly sierra]

rewhat?

[last jasper]

restealth

[jolly sierra]

ye

[last jasper]

with dance I usually bane, tempest/envenom and rupture

[jolly sierra]

garrote more too

in dance

[last jasper]

yea, and garrote

[fallen scaffold]

Yup. I like to throw deathmark in there right after their defensives from ur dance expire too

Just make sure u have a new Garrot and rupture up atleast(+crimson too ideally) before u press it

[last jasper]

does it duplicate ct?

[jolly sierra]

no

[fallen scaffold]

No

[last jasper]

just for raw dam

oaky

[waxen meteor]

Damn, it feels good to play SP with rogue

Did last alt for first week, SP with Sin, nice 5-0 run

[robust quarry]

Could someone suggest a talent page for Sub to just go full glass cannon in BGs? Im talking one-shot someone or die if I fail kind of thing

[umbral crest]

Just vanish

[harsh steppe]

BUQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfsBAkQAAAAAAItkkUSkQKlEhISIRSkIlUikUahgEiIpEBAAAgEIA

flag build is what you want

[pearl pasture]

Any double dps comp for 2s that works well with sin? I loved sub double dps but seems like it doesn’t quite have enough dmg

[harsh steppe]

mage

[pearl pasture]

Hmmm I see I guess cc with mage is the best

Was wondering if it’d be better with a class that might have off heals with less resets for sin

[harsh steppe]

disc priest

[pearl pasture]

Oh no I meant for double dps

[proper heath]

So we enjoying Season 4 or is it just the same old same old?

[jaunty osprey]

I’m enjoying not dying in 5 seconds

[gleaming pawn]

If you got everything you wanted from s3, there is zero reason to play s4

[proper heath]

Thx understood. Same tier sets and everything right? Nothing new at all.

[gleaming pawn]

Yes same tier sets

[jolly sierra]

healers, always healers

double dps is inviable as assa

[gleaming pawn]

The weapon enchant at 2100 is an awful sand illusion, I guess that’s new technically

[jolly sierra]

unless u didnt get 2k4 yet

seems like im setting a goal this season

[steel scarab]

If I hit 2100 this week, should I keep playing or stop so I don't drop?

I assume if I lose a few and go below 2100, the gear ilev goes down for vault?

[jaunty osprey]

You need to do 1 win in your 2100 bracket per week to keep the vault ilvl

[jolly sierra]

go in

[jaunty osprey]

If you already hit 2100, you have a buffer until 2070 until you fall out of duelist range

[surreal barn]

Really hope they have a recolor glad mount for shuffles in War within

[steel scarab]

But it only matters for PvE, right?

The item level I mean

So I should probably just slam more games

[jaunty osprey]

Oh yeah, the ilvl only matters for PVE

if you don’t care about PVE, just slam games and work on getting better or having fun

[nova viper]

seeeeeeeeexo

yo big question

how i can make macro for target my arena bros?

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOO

huh

[nova viper]

/target party1?

[jolly sierra]

friendly?

[nova viper]

ye

[jolly sierra]

or enemy?

[nova viper]

friendly

[jolly sierra]

emmm

party1 tho

[nova viper]

oke oke

thanks bro

[jolly sierra]

np

just confirmed in the TW

its party1

go safe

[nova viper]

i try as a healer

[jolly sierra]

oh

[hidden dome]

Are there even Elite Sets this season?

I don't see the elite set in my collections tab

[pearl pasture]

Ah okay got it - good to know ty

[jolly sierra]

its s3 one

[hidden dome]

For rogue, yes

But for other classes

is it always the season 3 set?

[gleaming pawn]

For all classes, their pvp transmog sets are the same for s3 and s4

[hidden dome]

wow

nice, nothing to do in PvP then

[gleaming pawn]

Only the pve sets got the voted on appearances

[hidden dome]

I do not care for the poo weapon effect

so I'm already done with PvP

man fast season

This should be enough to be 100% done with PvE too. After that I will resub later for pandaria mix

see ya in WW

[gleaming pawn]

Yep, I’m not bothering playing my rogue this season. I might push with my friends in 3s with the ret and whatever wonky comps they want to play. But this season is ass-on-a-stick

[stoic spruce]

Don't need to resub for that

Free to Play for everyone

[jolly sierra]

budget panda phoenix seems fine

rewards and deflation

when mmr is lesser than expected so u find more high experienced ppl in lower rating

[stoic spruce]

It is not

Nor is it fun fighting rank 1s at 2100

On paper yes

In practice not really

[jolly sierra]

nope, they wont let u do anything

so no learning

[stoic spruce]

in the most technical way possible, yes.

[hidden dome]

The season sucks because no new rewards

[stoic spruce]

that too

currently this specific season sucks because nothing is new

mmr didnt get reset

[waxen meteor]

Continuation of s3 literally

[hidden dome]

Dude

we had 3 actual balance patches last season

PvP is in an aweful state balance wise

2s, which I like most, are actually unplayable at high ratings

obviously people only play for rewards

with how shitty and lazy the balance is

[jolly sierra]

ppl always wants the rewards

fun is secondary

we are pvpers ofc we are doomers

[hidden dome]

I bet I pvped for more hours on my rogue last season, than the whole pvp "team" spend working on it

Hard not to be doomer if PvP gets basically 0 attention from the devs

[gleaming pawn]

The reward was always the gear and mounts and title to flex with, but nice try

[vocal surge]

Poor DH wanted open world chest

Destroyed him and took the loot

[stoic spruce]

im glad you put him down like the dog he was

[nova sentinel]

Is the Undulating Spore Cloak good for rbgs and blitz?

[fallen scaffold]

No

[nova sentinel]

All that vers and healing 😭

[hidden dome]

It is nerfed in pvp

[nova sentinel]

Ohhhh

[hidden dome]

after everyone used in season 1

[jolly sierra]

it was from s2 but yeah

it had its time

[nova viper]

I feel like playing pvp is a bit of a mind game? At the end of the day, it's not about defeating a difficult boss in a raid or making a key and getting better eq, but simply winning, a synonym for atavism

[jolly sierra]

yeah me win me fine

[nova sentinel]

What about the Toxic Thorn Boots, they good in bgs or blitz?

[jolly sierra]

no

[nova sentinel]

Bleh. Hrm

Seems like you would want two embellishments and set gear

[jolly sierra]

YES

caps

oopsie

ignored my own advice and went to Q

won 4-2 at the 2k1 mmr lobby

felt sweaty af, wont play for today again

[potent pivot]

You get titles ye but iirc you have to earn them again every season or some shit

The rank 1 titles are forever tho

[stoic spruce]

busting ass for temp title is omega nuh uh

[limber stirrup]

i like assa lol but fotm for a title is weak

[grave basin]

You get some cosmetics

And mogs which is the true end game of wow

[limber stirrup]

last season i played pure mastery vers as assa with sub off spec this time around would it bet worth putting haste into my assa rogue and some crit on another rogue for sub?

[jolly sierra]

the thing is only worth to get 2k1+ if u actively played s3

[robust quarry]

Omega nuh uh is for some reason one of the funniest things ive read in a hot minute

[grave basin]

Feels like this season is decently inflated though

If someone's never gotten to 1800 before, this season should be good (before panda remix)

Then retail will probably die for a few weeks

[vocal surge]

AOE Blind is super underrated in ashran lol

Got 1 blind off

on so many people

I went in w. cheapshot

Im a healer bois

Am doing 1M HPS

[jolly sierra]

this will be good for my lock

[proven mica]

Is there a way to avoid the meld->stealth->bte bug?

[nova sentinel]

Assassin doing that well atm eh?

[jolly sierra]

very very well

[vocal surge]

I just had

an idea

2p + 2p on Outlaw

35% + 20% + 15% + 25%
95% Double Strike proc rate
35% Base
20% from 2p + 2p
15% from Enduring Brawler
25% from Skulls n Cross Bones

Combine that with Triple Threat for a 15% chance for an extra hit

[grave basin]

What's 2p2p

[vocal surge]

With Skulls n Crossbones, Triple Threat has an effect 14.25% proc rate

2p S3 set

[grave basin]

You can mix tier sets ?

[vocal surge]

2p S4 set

Not sure, about to climb n get my token

[grave basin]

It doesn't mix though

As in aren't S3 and S4 bonuses exactly the same

[vocal surge]

They're considered separate set bonuses

[grave basin]

That's some interesting tech

[grave basin]

I gave up playing casters

My melee brain can't handle it

And losing rifts on top of that

[jolly sierra]

same, in s3, but was stopped by season and ended at 1k5

was sad

[grave basin]

I got to 1.6k on my lock and used the token for the shoulder

And called it a day

[jolly sierra]

did the same

but wanna the helm too

so ill try 1k8 now

[grave basin]

Or get elite on rog

[jolly sierra]

yea ill try that

[grave basin]

[jolly sierra]

but will need to rest a lot tho after games

my hand numbed hard in last game

that happens when the match is sweaty as fuck

[grave basin]

Now is the perfect time to push my sv hunter

With all these Assa rogs

[jolly sierra]

nah dude

did a 2k1 match w mglads and even misplaying a lot got 4-2

one was a surv

(i disarmed the drood pls kill me guys)

[grave basin]

Pilav would be proud

If he's alive

[vocal surge]

Getting Ambushes to do a combined 180k

w. Triple Threat

[grave basin]

https://youtu.be/WYS9oN5_CA4?feature=shared

Meanwhile in sod

[vocal surge]

There's an issue

Triple Threat Sinister Strike does 1/2 the damage of the other 2 Sinister Strikes

Its random too

Triple Threat can proc off itself

[tribal badger]

triple threat doesnt effect ambush

it is a useless talent for HO

there is a bug with audacity if u check tyhe pins in the pve channel

that is why its triple striking

[vocal surge]

No Audacity

No RTB Buffs & took off poisons to avoid cluttering Combat Logs

If you're wondering if I was mashing Sinister Strike, I pressed it after the 2nd Melee damage message appears in the log

The only other thing that procs in between each window was Main Gauche from both SS & Melee

and Wafting Devotion from weapon

The only buff that is active is Slice and Dice to maintain energy regeneration, Enduring Brawler for the bonus Sinister Strike chance, and Alacrity that came up only whenever I refreshed SND

[tribal badger]

thats ss

i said ambush

triple threat does work on SS yes

[vocal surge]

Ah

Lemme recheck Ambush

Got a triple

There's 2 triples im aware of for Ambush

[tribal badger]

remove triple threat

[vocal surge]

1st one skips 1/2 a GCD

[tribal badger]

u will still get a triple

[vocal surge]

and 2nd one is this

Ye, Audacity is the one that Triples

lemme find the other one I know about

[sick wasp]

although im not fan of him he knows his shit

very good rogue

[grave basin]

Yea not saying he's bad at all

Just absolute state of sod enjoyers

[sick wasp]

yeah completely irrelevant to the vid

just sayin

[vocal surge]

Just kicked in an afflock lol

and his partner DC's him

Feral's not ok lol

I outplayed this feral so hard at the start

and he nearly takes me out because of the cyclone pvp talent

multiple time

Lad was also cheating

because he was able to avoid a kick a 1/2 second after I kicked

[jolly sierra]

a feral beated the shit out of me some days ago, almost killed him then he stunned me and deleted me in like 2 seconds

feral bite was the main offender

[vocal surge]

mfw I have to cast Shadowmeld from Spellbook

because action bars wont work

[stoic spruce]

My 4 bind randomly doesn't work

[wanton breach]

completely wild hypothesis, but hear me out: maybe your keyboard is a bit broken

[stoic spruce]

Shift+4 works

And I use an mmo mouse

[jolly sierra]

once i recalled a clip from a guy literal casting in a bg just arcane missiles from the book

and had the bar just with arcane missiles

filled up

[vocal surge]

Came across a bot

who only healed

when in combat

[wanton breach]

that's just your average arcane mage

[vocal surge]

The more I play Retail WoW

The more I question why PvP is just "bad"

I just had a match up where me and my friend completely outperform the enemy team and outplayed them but we lost in the end

Which doesn't make sense in either of our eyes

We shutdown the enemy healer from double fearing, stun lock the enemy team and forced everyone's CD's so hard

Another healer using cheats

Gets feared, nothing breaks fear (including Shadow Word: Death from enemy healer's end). I haven't pressed Blade Flurry yet, my healer hasn't hit the enemy priest, and sin rogue cant dispel

yet the healer in fear

breaks out of the fear and is now un-CC'd

Early btw

it's suppose to be a full fear

and yes, lad didn't cast Fade because he was in blind before the fear

[tawny kestrel]

wild idea, maybe he was on dr

it seems unlikely that you’re running into so many cheaters

and more likely that you don’t know what’s going on

[vocal surge]

There is no DR

its 2s

Outlaw - Disc

I dont have a fear for that priest

[umbral crest]

Could also be wotf I guess

Blind?

[vocal surge]

lad was already in blind

my priest fears him in the blind at the end

There is no way Fade can be cast in a CC

Blind --> Fear

Fear canceled out somehow

Damage logs show no Shadow Word Death

I was across the arena hitting the lad's teammate

[umbral crest]

Yes, he can’t fade, but blind does DR with fear?

[vocal surge]

Nope

[tawny kestrel]

yes it does

[vocal surge]

Really?

If that's the case, it should've been 3s

But that fear was broken out instant

[umbral crest]

Yeah, both are disorients

[vocal surge]

on a full blind still

[tawny kestrel]

was it a shaman

[vocal surge]

Holy Priest

[tawny kestrel]

undead?

[umbral crest]

Undead

[vocal surge]

night elf

[tawny kestrel]

what was his partner

[vocal surge]

Sin Rogue

[tawny kestrel]

did you record the game

[vocal surge]

Nope

[tawny kestrel]

i’m still gonna go ahead and say you’re confused, because no cheat exists that will let you break out of cc

[vocal surge]

I dont record unless im usually testing something like the 4 Sinister Strikes from 1 button press or just playing for fun

It doesn't make sense how the lad gets out of fear is the thing

[tawny kestrel]

but it’s not logical to instantly assume he’s cheating

maybe you missed the fear

or something else

fuck knows

but from my experience no cheat will let you get out of cc

[vocal surge]

Alright

I'll record my games in the future to see what's going on

[grave basin]

Were you near enough to hit him with blade flurry

Or maybe it was alrdy triple Dr from your priest MCing

[untold remnant]

Guys, is PvE ilvl from Duelist/Elite again at Hero track?

EU asking

[chrome schooner]

I mean if you didn't even know Blind & fear shared a DR it's more likely that you missed something rather than the guy cheating. right :p

[wanton breach]

how can a devastation evoker slow me for over 80%....

[surreal barn]

The molten lava breath fused your muscles and bones together making it difficult to walk normal

[wanton breach]

seriously, how

better version of ray of frost

[outer sky]

Did blizzard ever provide an explaination as to why they thought Hemo needed to be nerfed but sharpened blade didnt?

[surreal barn]

Cause we have constant healing reduction

Without even having to press a skill

[harsh steppe]

gm all ❤️
what's everyone hoping for from the vault today?

[wintry dew]

Everyone?

Muricans...

[harsh steppe]

muricans*

it's just chest & legs I want for tier right? or we doing 4 piece now?

[golden island]

someone on reddit said 2 set...but they also said shoulders/hands which seems wrong so im also not sure now @harsh steppe

[harsh steppe]

ahh ok i'll make an individual post and report back 🫡

the alternative is conq gear, the 4 set does not have vers mast, but has an amazing effect, but i'm not sure if it's worth sacrificing the mastery for the effect
also the placement of the pieces, if it is a two set, would alter slightly more stats
the infurious boots for sub is a must though, so if it's 4 piece, obv everything else is set
but if it's 2 which i think it probably is, which pieces they are matters
although it's possible all conq is an option not sure
craftable is an option for more than boots too, like the head piece, lifebound cap

[wintry dew]

It was really hard for me to understand what the hell you were saying

[harsh steppe]

tl;dr: i'm ocd

[umbral crest]

I would assume the 4 set is still worth it for sub considering we get a lot of secondaries anyways

[harsh steppe]

i hope so, an extra shadow clone proccing sounds epic

[umbral crest]

I’ll be honest, never really noticed the visuals

[wintry dew]

LOL

That's not helping anyone :p

I was actually impressed with you understanding it

[harsh steppe]

1. set pieces don't have mas/vers
2. mas is important for sub
3. set effects might be more important

[wintry dew]

That happens almost every season

Afaik atleast chest and legs are pretty good

Then you pick whatever has more vers (?) or more mastery (?)

Outside of this, any piece you can't get vers/mast you can simply craft a life bound item with the trophy and add the mastery/vers missive and that's it

[waxen meteor]

Hey guys, big question, I saw a new post on wowhead, it's more focusing on pve, but

How comes this fire ring is top list on all 3 of our specs?

[umbral crest]

Probably an extra effect that is nerfed in pvp anyways

[pastel burrow]

embelish an item with a fire effect = fire ring proc = funny damage

[waxen meteor]

Probably not

R1 DHs are all targeting this thing now

[umbral crest]

Really? Is it an embellishment or just extra effect?

[waxen meteor]

Just an extra effect

[umbral crest]

Since the latter tends to be neefed afaik

Decent stats on top of effect maybe? Just guessing 😛

[waxen meteor]

No bad stat

but very good special effect

i mean for DH/Ret it makes a lot of sense

cause they have fire dmg

but i am really confused why it's that good for us

[pastel burrow]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=204710/shadowflame-tempered-armor-patch

[waxen meteor]

lol so we really gonna use this?

[pastel burrow]

in pve

pvp prob not

[leaden agate]

there's also the helmet enchant

that does fire damage

unsure if it works in pvp actually never paid attention

[waxen meteor]

the Raid enchant S3?

[wanton breach]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-still-gif-20331665

[waxen meteor]

No i don't think it works

[wanton breach]

EU still has to wait

[leaden agate]

aye

also 2h users use the legendary in PvP aswell due to the raw stats it gives

which also does fire damage

so there's that

[steel scarab]

I've looked at logs and I never see any damage from the helmet enchant in PvP

Could be wrong though

[waxen meteor]

it sounds goofy we have to use shadowflame patch just to trigger a ring that doesn't have good stat

[wicked rampart]

In S1 we used the crafted helm that gave us permanent immo aura to basically give the ring proc 100% uptime for raiding, the ring proc was just that strong

[wintry dew]

Ilvl, stats, proc, DHS can proc them rings with their normal rotation

[wintry dew]

Flaring cowl

And you're totally right

[wintry dew]

All the embellishments were nerfed this season for PvE afaik, so having double shadow flame emb will be quite common for rogues doing m+ this season

[tribal badger]

it does have good stats for 1 spec

😏

[pale storm]

let us in

[nova sentinel]

Are any of the embellishments good for PVP?

[pale storm]

serevers up

[pale storm]

no titles today?

[waxen meteor]

I hate the game

first week vault

tier shoulder - No need
haste wriest - No need
crit cloak - No need

[grave basin]

wow the cao

cap

is huge

this week we;re up to 2.6k conquest

[waxen meteor]

yeah you can do 2600

[untold remnant]

Wow!

That is huge

[untold remnant]

We have some news on this? As it says “506 ilvl” which is not sure to be hero track pve (I play both)

[tawny kestrel]

they come out 2 weeks after season end as always

[waxen meteor]

Does outlaw use tier shoulder?

I don't want to pick a socket at week1, fml

[tawny kestrel]

yes

[last jasper]

cuz it knows u needed that socket real bad

[untold remnant]

@tawny kestrel what tier pieces will you pick for outlaw?

[tawny kestrel]

everything except head

[untold remnant]

You go engineering helmet later in season?

[tawny kestrel]

if u want

dunno if worth anymore

stats are even higher now

[untold remnant]

Thanks, helps me pick my tier pieces tomorrow

[harsh steppe]

hmm so based on my research i do believe sub is chest & legs tier, 2 set only, someone correct me if i'm wrong

it's okay tarny hang in there ❤️

[idle root]

dude i hate this quest, i ahte it, every single time it's waking shores it's a fucking disgrace

[surreal barn]

How is it any different

[idle root]

idk, i never find any treasures/dirts in this shithole

half the rares dont count towards it either

[surreal barn]

Oh. I got you

I usually just kill people for it

[jolly sierra]

the problem w waking shores is almost no one goes here in non massive servers

[last jasper]

the problem is this quest requirements should be at least halved

[jolly sierra]

ye

[waxen meteor]

Yeah totally

i think we need a lot less trophy this sesson isn't it

cause conquest cap is doubled per week

[nova viper]

Gank boss world quest, kill timys

[last jasper]

isn't they mostly was useful cuz of stats then ilvl?

[idle root]

[harsh steppe]

they should make it even harder, the harder it is, the more rewarding it is

[lucid citrus]

Are we trying to get 4-set on outlaw?

[untold remnant]

Ye, as u have more buffs and mroe buffs is 😄

[harsh steppe]

in the same boat as you @waxen meteor 😦

[outer sky]

which classes have MS again?

[tribal badger]

unholy dk, dh, feral, hunter, monk, rogue, warlock, warrior

unholy and warlocks r the most limited

spriest has fiend as a heal cut also

[stoic spruce]

yeah but they are DHs

not known for being bright

[outer sky]

whats even left? Pally, evoker, shaman, druid

[halcyon timber]

Druids can with highwinds

Affliction can with that soul talent that dr strange punches your soul out

[stoic spruce]

only rogue, arms warr, unholy dk, should have it imo

[harsh steppe]

eridian you get anything good from vault?

[halcyon timber]

Hunters had it forever too man

Dunno, just got outta school man

I don’t bank on that though, glad its all changing in TWW

[harsh steppe]

oh really
are they changing how you get crafted gear in TWW too?

[nova sentinel]

What's changing for MS in TWW?

[halcyon timber]

Well pvp vault is gone and instead a fat increase to conquest (similar to right now or more i dunno as notes haven’t been out out)

MS , haven’t seen or heard anything. Monk also has a MS too , forgot about that. Ah someone mentioned that already.

[last jasper]

Why dk is limited? Almost everything is popping wounds in his kit.

[tribal badger]

cause fdk and bdk dont have them

sorry meant dk was limited

[last jasper]

Oh, I see

Do all hunters have ms effect?

[umbral crest]

They can if they run pets with it

[harsh steppe]

hmm looks like my vault wasn't as bad as i thought, wrists are one of the options for tier piece on list of top rogues, it's lower than 2nd option for legs but it's there

[umbral crest]

Do you mean hands/gloves?

[harsh steppe]

hands, yes, thank you

[wintry dew]

Whats the most expensive option you have there?

[harsh steppe]

I had wrists, gloves, & helm, but i'm getting life cap so i couldn't get helm

[wintry dew]

Gloves then?

[harsh steppe]

yes sorry*

[wintry dew]

In theory it would be the best choice there, CP wise. Or pvp sockets xD

in case the gloves are bad

[harsh steppe]

fewfffffffffff thank you ❤️

[wintry dew]

Altought it seems this season wont be much of a drag if they keep increasing the cap this much per week

[harsh steppe]

yah that's pretty nice

[tiny maple]

Will i run into any problems if I put in BTE on my stealth bar where I have dispatch out of stealth so I don’t accidentally dispatch when I could have used BTE?

[tribal badger]

there is a delay in ur bars swapping when u activate stealth so if ur mashing ur keys real fast u will still finish with dispatch as ur first finisher if its ur first gcd in stealth

occasionally

not always but its why people dont do that in pve

[tiny maple]

Good to know thanks man!

[harsh steppe]

it's GO TIME

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/yuge-huge-donald-trump-gif-7357158

[harsh steppe]

should i craft my life bound cap?

[outer sky]

Ok I'm confused. I'm playing with a friemd of mine who's a resto druid and he IS playing the improved tranq talent. Then this happened. Does Ray of Frost go through the Tranq immunity? I guess so. What else does? What does it actually protect the druid from?

[tribal badger]

tranq is an oddball immunity like turtle

certain things go thru it

if u start a channel before the tranq/turtle goes off it will continue to tick through it

until the channel ends

the ray of frost was started before he cast tranq

[stoic spruce]

okay yall win

I'm gonna pvp to get gear for pve

[brave estuary]

i just did my neck. i hated it at first then i got some wsg games and now im kinda liking pvp reminding me of the good side of it

[stoic spruce]

oh my god no

the tier

its.....

terrible without it

[tribal badger]

yup

🥹

[stoic spruce]

Also I wish all sub players a happy go fuck yourself and get off my game

I knew I've been forgetting something

[nova sentinel]

What do I do with excess honor?

[stoic spruce]

Send it to alts

There's a page at the back of the vendor

[nova sentinel]

It's like a "reflection thing?

Ty

[jolly sierra]

buy marks of honor

[ashen spindle]

Hey guys, I plan to get back to pvp this S4, Im guessing we are still Sub for RBGs? Im trying to find any builds but havent seen any

[fallen scaffold]

sins not gunna play 4pc this season right

same as last season

[pliant mauve]

I don’t even think they were playing 2 by the end.

Though I’m rolling two right now thanks to a shitty vault.

[jolly sierra]

just 2set

[fallen scaffold]

def were playig 2set

[jolly sierra]

4set sucks cock

[nova sentinel]

So, if you catalyst the Draconic Gladiator armor, it turns into PVP gear with a tier set bonuses?

[fallen scaffold]

yep

turns into tier with pvp ilvl

[stoic spruce]

You know a lot about sucking cock don't you

[jolly sierra]

nah else i would use it

[stoic spruce]

thats it

next ret I see im breaking social contract

[stoic spruce]

how I havent even been suspended is wild

who is it

im coming for you

I am the outlaw

THE outlaw

also im just going to buy a piece of tier instead of the weapon because holy hell its rough without tier

[grave basin]

Everyone is THE outlaw since last season kek

Can anyone confirm if we get a full spark this week

Or just a splinter

[last jasper]

Splinter.

[long shore]

Hello all, best rogue spec for 2v2 this season?

[untold remnant]

Assa probably

[long shore]

Great Assas probably works best with a priest then!

[untold remnant]

All rogue specs work best with a priest in 2s, assa resto druid could work too

[long shore]

I tried some Assas holy pala, and it just felt so rough

Also probably my gear sucks too full honor gear

[stoic spruce]

whats the awakened lfr ilvl?

oops wrong channel

[harsh steppe]

this 2 set is crazy
i am deleting people

[brisk hinge]

Do people really stack haste on outlaw in pvp? It says so in wowhead guide. Just curious.

[wintry dew]

Last season it was vers and critical afaik

[stoic spruce]

noooo

[brisk hinge]

It's from current season

Is it just me or are wowhead guides just not from this world?

[stoic spruce]

the guides arent written from pvpers

usually

[brisk hinge]

Whose stats are those?

[stoic spruce]

that looks like a non-crackshot set-up

[harsh steppe]

SS outlaw top ranked

don't go by guides atm, look at what the top ranked players are doing

[brisk hinge]

It feels soooo bad not being able to take killing spree 😦

Is there any famous outlaw rogue who really knows what he's doing and not just experimenting?

[wintry dew]

That ability wasn't used for a full season after rogue rework

And if top dogs don't pick it it's because there are better choices

[brisk hinge]

I just change my talents so often and my encounters are so different, that i just can't track my dps changes and see for myself

[harsh steppe]

just look what the top outlaws are doing, this site tracks everything
https://murlok.io/rogue/outlaw/solo

[brisk hinge]

It's boring to just copy their builds. I want to know the reason behind their talent choices and possible changes like if there's 2 melees in SS and you pick two right blade flurry talents.

Sad that there is no proper guide for outlaw. Would've been interesting to watch it.

[harsh steppe]

you don't need to copy it 100%, i just look at the top sub builds & copy like 80% or so, there's a reason the top ranked players are using the majority of similar talents & builds
if you don't understand why they are using particular things, you can always ask us here with specific questions, should be able to answer those questions at least
yeah i wish there were more current guides out there too, couldn't find a good sub guide either atm, you can always get really good one day and create content yourself tho! that's my goal one day 🙂

[brisk hinge]

I don't like that 5% stamina talent and there's like 4 different talents that i can take insead of it and i don't know which one is the best. Those are 1. 100% haste to attack speed on SnD 2. 15% chance to strike 3rd time for SS 3. 10% additional chance for RtB 4. 5% more chance for main gauche to strike

[wintry dew]

5% stamina in pvp = more survivability

[brisk hinge]

It's too underwhelming for me, especially when people don't usually focus outlaw. Or do you take it even when you're not the focus target?

[wintry dew]

What if

You aren't focused because you have more hp

And people know how tanky you can be?

[harsh steppe]

you should be switching up talents here & there depending on who you're fighting anyways, not sure if that's a constant talent to take but yeah

[stoic spruce]

I gauge how good an outlaw is by how much damage theyre taking from my BF

[brisk hinge]

Okay, then what talent of those 4 is better for single target dps?

[stoic spruce]

do you play KiR

if not then 2

ideally none of those talents would exist but here we are

[novel karma]

4 is pretty nice choice as well

[stoic spruce]

yeah

[novel karma]

Slightly boosts your killing spree

[brisk hinge]

Well that's another question that i want to clarify 😄 but right now i usually play HO crackshot build with killing spree or greenskins's wickers

[novel karma]

Since ks attacks proc mastery

[brisk hinge]

Oh that's cool

And the last question for now is killing spree or greenskin's wickers?

[stoic spruce]

killing spree

GSW is undertuned atm

I miss GSW

[brisk hinge]

Kk, thanks for info.

[stoic spruce]

youre welcome

[brisk hinge]

Yeah i think they should buff it to 300% like in shadowlands

[stoic spruce]

if you really want to stick it to the man, you could play my special build

nah

you cant handle it

[untold remnant]

You pick “Count the odds” if you are not rooted and Killing Spree to get out of roots.

Although I do feel like killing spree is nice to have in general.

#4 outlaw rogue in solo shuffle atm with 2126 rating 🫣

[twin burrow]

no offence, but i usually take my advice from top 3 players, but what you said was cute!

https://tenor.com/view/hot-day-are-you-ready-for-some-football-gif-16278812894835706568

[wintry dew]

xDD

[twin burrow]

do we still run wound as assa with hemotoxic

[turbid dawn]

Hello guys. What is gear priority in S4? I crafted boots then buy dagger for conq. What should be next? Also I wanna to know is life bound cap still better choice than conquest head? Becouse I have to choise between conquest head or mastery pvp ring from great vault rewards. Thx for answers. Have a nice day.

[restive hemlock]

I think the strat for gearing is to try and get value out of trophies of strife for as long as possible. So buying the jewelry etc with your conquest and using trophies for your tier pieces etc.

[restive hemlock]

If you got the vers/mastery head I'd probably take that. I don't think any spec wants the tier helm iirc.

But you also get a free crafted helm from the quest...

[turbid dawn]

Yep, its vers/mastery one

[restive hemlock]

Yea so you can grab that or craft your head/embellishment next week. Maybe ring or socket is the better play long term tbh :/

[turbid dawn]

Thx for answers bro

[nova sentinel]

What embellishments are good?

[harsh steppe]

what spec

[waxen meteor]

crap, there's nobody doing sparks already on wednesday, game is dead 😦

i need to finish the quest

[nova sentinel]

Sub

[last jasper]

Na? I just finished mine on eu

[jolly sierra]

did the same in EU in the first hour of reset

[jolly sierra]

infurious

[waxen meteor]

EU live game na dead game then

[idle root]

bro how hard can it be to accept the queue pop

[waxen meteor]

K i will try to join some team again

in the morning joined a team and found absolulty zero people

[jolly sierra]

is a wintrader care

[idle root]

ppl wintrade in 1800 range? wtf

[jolly sierra]

ye

[spare marsh]

Hey guys I just came back to wow and decided to play my rogue. I used to be good back in the day (BC and Vanilla).. Now I'm absolute trash. My damage is severely lacking, CC needs some work. Is there anyone that would be willing to work with me maybe watch me play some games tell me what I'm doing wrong? I guess what I'm asking for is a coach.

[last jasper]

lmao

One day of playing caster. And I feel I need mental help

[sick wasp]

that never happens no

[harsh steppe]

your best bet would be to pay for the skillcapped mentors, i believe they are like $5 a month or something? definitely worth it
if nobody can train you though you can always record a game or two and post it here asking for tips, as long as it's not a plug we are happy to point out where you can improve

[harsh steppe]

i wish lol

[heady hill]

yo quick question.... if you're crafting items, you gotta get the enchanted awaekened drake crests right?

how do you get the higher one, if you only pvp?

[surreal barn]

Elite

Not too hard this time

Avoiding cyclone with death from above is so hilarious

[tribal badger]

i didnt see if u got ur answer but all these talents r awful

the best is the haste on snd one but its still pretty bad

[heady hill]

as someone that just came back to pvp since wotlk, what is elite? is it something above a certain rating?

[waxen meteor]

Damn, lego bug fixed

My ret is using 522 lego already

can farm a bit more myth and reach 534 without spending conquest on weapon

[nova sentinel]

Is the pvp tier set different than the pve, other than the ilvl boost in bgs?

[solar bronze]

People play with death from above?

[heady hill]

what rank is elite on solo shuffle?

[waxen meteor]

No they are exactly the same other than ilvl boost in pvp secnario

So in other words, if you have maxed myth pve tier gear, you actually don't need pvp tier gear

[nova sentinel]

@waxen meteor I see, ty

[surreal barn]

2400

[surreal barn]

Sometimes

[last jasper]

jesus, it seems q times are better on na?

[surreal barn]

Both my queues today were around 10 minutes long

My mmr was at 2.6 though

[last jasper]

I see

[heady hill]

jesus...how can i get the drake crests that drop until +5? only by being 2400+??

i'm trying to get these

ok....i think i've figured it out. i don't ened the enchanted crest if i use the pvp one, right?

[last jasper]

for pvp u just need conq gear and thats it

it is scaled to 528 in pvp

[heady hill]

yeah im being a dummy

[nova sentinel]

How often can or do you get the Draconic Trophies if Conquest? The items that boost your crafted gear's ilvl in PvP?

[wanton breach]

you can buy as many as you have conquest

the 2 free big tokens are once per season

[nova sentinel]

Oh, I got two in a quest, is that only one time?

Oh, ty

[surreal barn]

I honestly have no idea

[surreal barn]

Maybe don’t buy it unless you have the spark to craft with it

That’s kinda the bottleneck atm

[heady hill]

i can't remember where i asked, but someone told me that only after elite you get the 2 last crests, hence my worry

[jolly sierra]

have u seen if 2set from this and former season stacks in 2/2 combo?

[tribal badger]

it does not

[jolly sierra]

gotcha

[robust quarry]

is goremaw any good?

[fallen scaffold]

No

[steel scarab]

I take the gloves, right?

[harsh steppe]

yes

use it as an extra burst go or when you immediately need to cap off your CP