pvp

[sick wasp]

ill try it next season

wondering if i can hit 2.1 on my hunter

[harsh steppe]

what hunter spec you play?\

[surreal barn]

Hyper lives!

[wintry dew]

Idk if it is THE hyper

😦

[surreal barn]

There’s no other

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-a-minute-who-are-you-kazoo-kid-funny-gif-16933963

I need proof

I'll call reinforcements

@jolly sierra

[harsh steppe]

ahaha yes i'm back ty all good to see yall again

trying to decide if i wanna main my rogue again or go back to MM hunter
how is sub rogue vs. mm atm

idk what i'm saying ofc imma go back to rogue

[pale storm]

Hyper! The man himself 🙏🏽

Hyper back has to be a good omen for season 4, we are so back boys

[surreal barn]

so back.

[harsh steppe]

is my old sub rot video still viable?

[wintry dew]

My man hyper if you're back anything is viable

[halcyon timber]

Welcome back man seriously

[wintry dew]

@harsh steppe we had some new players try to be as cool as you ever since you left, but man they just didn't had it in them

[harsh steppe]

ahaha aw thanks guys glad to be back

[wintry dew]

You kept playing wow or paused since you left?

[harsh steppe]

haven't touched it since i left so i have a lot to catch up on
this new upcoming expansion looks tightttt

is outlaw still rough? how's sin

[tough spruce]

Both pretty viable. Outlaw is a crazy rng spec and you need weakauras for pvp to keep track of all the procs, but the cc is almost on par with sub with more sustain. You basically harass healers and switch on dps with sdance/vanish. Assa is really strong and kind of a sleeper atm. Youre more squishy than other specs but compensate with your damage and burst. Basically you rot everyone down (indiscriminate carnage makes it easy to spread empowered garrotes) and you go for setups with deathmark but primarily sdance + kingsbane (it can crit up to 400k in pvp)

[harsh steppe]

oooo very nice tyty

[halcyon timber]

Sunfury meth bird on alpha is pretty nutso it seems. Wondering what other classes are pretty wild.

[harsh steppe]

did they ever fix the secret tech bug?

[halcyon timber]

Evokers also seem pretty crazy

[halcyon timber]

The double dipping? Yeah long time ago

[harsh steppe]

no the one where if you move or they move or something, the secret tech doesn't hit them

[halcyon timber]

Dunno if that’s a bug more than a splash effect. The clones have to make contact to deal damage.

[harsh steppe]

ah ok yah i remember if you did secret tech and they moved out of range they wouldn't take any damage

[halcyon timber]

The clones deal a piercing attack in an area. Currently we are just watching alpha for hero talent updates as we are WIP / NYI and waiting for season 4 to start next week .

[harsh steppe]

oh ok cool sweet! ooo that's exciting

are all tier sets the same

well it looks like it don't matter too much ig since all this new stuff coming out i'll try to just ease back into it

[peak agate]

Ya know if blizzard is focusing on BGS as the main pvp mode. I hope they make rogues a bit more usable in big group fights.

[harsh steppe]

oh yah i saw that! that looks really cool

[halcyon timber]

I just want to smoke people and not be a stun bot for W key classes.

[peak agate]

I don't mind the focus on BG but the class isn't built for large group fights

[halcyon timber]

Yeah idc about m+ pvp

Its nice to go do what we do and that’s why we should do what we do without a tax.

Hopefully they adopt a laissez faire approach to arena moving forward

[harsh steppe]

this still the general sub rot?

[wanton breach]

you'd wanna use symbols earlier

[harsh steppe]

oh ok tyty in between what?

[peak agate]

Normal arenas should go back to more lax atmosphere. Death match is still preferable because how fast it is (usually).

[halcyon timber]

Adopt “gates” that people can’t fall below and people will prob not get a ticked off and write slander everywhere as the standard procedure

We shall see what they do. Im just here to stab, that aint gonna change.

[peak agate]

So far the changes they made have been good. Especially as I get more casual every week. 🥴

[halcyon timber]

XD

[surreal barn]

Shadow blades is different now, changes things quite a bit

read new tooltip

[gleaming pawn]

The man, the myth, the legend! Welcome back @harsh steppe Rogue is so different rotation wise you’re going to have to relearn a lot

[harsh steppe]

thanks! ❤️
yah it looks like shadow blades is 20s wtf

[jolly sierra]

WHAT THE HECK HE IS BACK

[wintry dew]

We talked about him so much we ended up summoning him from the shadows

[sick wasp]

trying survival but BM looks waaay easier

survival is actual bigbrain

kinda cool

has good mobility and proactive

i like that

[surreal barn]

He picked a good season to miss tbh

😆

[harsh steppe]

bm big brain now? damn is this still warcraft LOL

[wintry dew]

Bm press glowing abilities

Bm wins

[harsh steppe]

so yall ready for 10,000,000 questions on over-analyzing every single micro thing right?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[harsh steppe]

ok if i can just get my general rotation down first i can chill for a bit
so what is the basic burst rotation? perfect scenario, they don't even react

2x shadowstrike, full kidney, buff macro, shadowstrike, cb/sectec, SoD, ss/evis spam is where i'm leaving off

[umbral crest]

Don't think too many people run CB at the moment

[harsh steppe]

oh really

[surreal barn]

Since each ability generates full combo points during shadowblades now

[harsh steppe]

yah that's crazy

[surreal barn]

You’re eviscerating a lot more

[harsh steppe]

oooo hell ya

so maybe:
SoD in stealth > 2x SS > Full Kidney > Buff macro > SS > SecTec > SS/Evis spam
?

[surreal barn]

I didn’t actually play sub this past season I swapped to assa so I can’t give any meaningful input other than that

[umbral crest]

I've seen most people do CS rather than kidney, guessing it might be worth the one second stun duration to get full CP

Would assume it also means you could potentially kidney healer then burst dps

[harsh steppe]

oh that's right i forgot about the stun nerfs

[umbral crest]

Someone might correct me, haven't played much sub either 😛

[waxen meteor]

Kidney is better than cs on kill target and the additional global allows you to do more burst (For example, at 2s without healer, or 1on1 etc.)

But

You will have a significant harder time to stun healer

Because you need to spend your last second of dance to do step cs on healer

So it’s really about the specific scenario

For example, if target is fairly low hp already, then it’s better to kidney healer then step dance/symbol and etc, cs and start your burst

So you put healer in cc for 5 sec first (and allow yourself and teammate to chain cc) and go at lower hp target for entire dance

———

on the other hand, if target is fairly high hp, your teammate starts offensive cd, you could send a kidney to kill target and burst with dance, and at end of the dance, step healer to send a cs for cc

so you and your teammate burst push target to low hp and then you cc healer at clutch moment

and you will be next to their healer for cc chain

like send a gauge, blind, then a duel etc.

basically means a full go to push enemy to low hp, then leave your teammate and healer to close the game and you cc enemy healer for 10 sec

[harsh steppe]

tyty! sounds pretty similar mechanic wise at least to what i'm used to

[harsh steppe]

yes this is what i'm wanting to learn more so first, just a full go for a 1v1

[waxen meteor]

[harsh steppe]

so is that:
SoD in stealth > 2x SS > Full Kidney > Buff macro > SS > SecTec > SS/Evis spam
for the 1v1 then?

[waxen meteor]

at 1on1 against some spec, you need to be careful

[harsh steppe]

like i need a basic step by step rot if that's ok

[waxen meteor]

if you want to send full kidney, that means you open with ss

then it's possible your first kidney will miss

[harsh steppe]

yes def

[waxen meteor]

like war start bladestorm, or dh starts blur/backjump etc.

or even specs like SP might want to vanish

[harsh steppe]

so I'd SoD after my open 2x SS?

[waxen meteor]

why do you need 2x ss

[harsh steppe]

2x SS > Full Kidney > Buff macro (w/ dance) > SS > SecTec > SS/Evis spam

[waxen meteor]

if you ss + dance, you max cp already

[harsh steppe]

oh ok

[waxen meteor]

you have first dance don't you?

[umbral crest]

That's with shadowblades, right? Or dance CP ig

[waxen meteor]

that's at least 2 + 4

[harsh steppe]

yes

[waxen meteor]

cp

so enough for kidney

[harsh steppe]

oh ok ty sorry been a long time

[waxen meteor]

6/7 cp kidney doesn't make a difference

[harsh steppe]

oh ok good

[waxen meteor]

it's just you get 1 or 2 cp returned

[harsh steppe]

SS > Full Kidney > Buff macro (w/ dance) > SS > SecTec > SS/Evis spam
?

[waxen meteor]

no, you need dance first

otherwise you don't have 6 or 7 cp

[harsh steppe]

SS > Buff macro (w/ dance) > Full kidney > SS > SecTec > SS/Evis spam

[waxen meteor]

yeah, but only if you have shadow blade on

[harsh steppe]

yep

[waxen meteor]

otherwise your ss -> cannot lead to ST

also it depends on what you pick as talent for last row

so bunch of small changes

like at beginning of the season when i used bite + 6% bonus per different skill talent

i use bite before ST for a bigger cheese

[harsh steppe]

yes i want as much cheese as possible

[waxen meteor]

damn only glad now in solo, not sure if it's good time to push

but no other time 😦

[harsh steppe]

is this close to what i'd be using?

[wanton breach]

not really since that is the old talent tree

[harsh steppe]

oof ok

can i see a picture of your talent tree @waxen meteor
faq isn't updated ig

[sick wasp]

if u solo shuffle u should use ER and vigor isnt needed

well generally vigor isnt needed

ER/RC good

u press button,button does dmg

[harsh steppe]

oh ok good i like er

can i see your talents? just need anything to start with

[sick wasp]

BUQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfsBAk0SAAAAAAItkkUSEkikEiAHIJJJJSLSSSpFiEiAKRAAAAIhIA using this one

its the same as avidance

[harsh steppe]

tysm ❤️

[sick wasp]

u r welcome fam

[harsh steppe]

and I can generally use
SS > Buff macro (w/ dance) > Full kidney > SS > SecTec > SS/Evis spam
for my GOs with this talent build?

[sick wasp]

yeah pretty much but make space for those cps from ER u can get free empowerd finishers from ruthelessness refudns n stuff

BUQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfsBAk0SAAAAAAItkkUSEJpIJhIwBSSSkItUCJlWIcgkIgSEAAAASgA

this is the ER rotten variation for 3s

[harsh steppe]

perfectttt tyty

[sick wasp]

its pivotal to ''swag'' your openers a bit,dont force globals coz the energy management can be hard

if u see emp'd finishers unless u know u can do more dam and got the cds and energy u should send those

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/frozen2-gif-24406372

[waxen meteor]

Elsa is frost mage for sure

[sick wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE3CFvh42N8

Some RM sauce

big plays,big dam

[jolly sierra]

elsa is jaina

[waxen meteor]

big elsa

[sick wasp]

they played every game perfectly,even the almost lost ones

actually crazy

top notch gaming

[waxen meteor]

yeah they were cheering like specs op, but honestly they are op...

the sync on sheep/kidney is like done by AI

but obviously probably the bad games they didn't put on video i don't know

I feel this big esla dodge incoming dmg too good

[jolly sierra]

im surprised

hyper returned when merek had more chances

to do the same

[vocal surge]

This reminds me of the time I came across Palumor in 2v2s while he was doing RM

[harsh steppe]

this is my omega buffs macro right?

[sick wasp]

macro doesnt use blades,just shows sblades tooltip

it uses SoD,then dances then uses trinket slot 14

[harsh steppe]

ugh i feel like such a noob all over again

ok ty

[sick wasp]

still astonished on that 20min' aprox DH getting yoinked away from his healer

the man AT's blinks/blast waves into wall and alters back

absolutely insane play

[sick wasp]

dw fam

[harsh steppe]

is the order okay?

[sick wasp]

personally i keep Sblades separately binded and press them before dancing,that way im not worrying about having max cp after my cs into dance rupture

basicly maximizes cp gains on every window that matters

rest of it its fine i guess

symbols+ trinkets and dance is pretty much ok

[harsh steppe]

ahhh that's right that must have been why i had it w/o sb before

[sick wasp]

u basicly gain control of every ''on demand'' big button u need

[harsh steppe]

yes that's what i want

[sick wasp]

shadow blades now is very big

very scary

[harsh steppe]

SS > Shadow Blades > SoD & SD & Trinket macro > Full kidney > SS > SecTec > SS/Evis spam
?

[sick wasp]

i press shadowblades before everything

on stealth

then proceed to what opener i want

it wont destealth u

just activates blades

but after that u go ham

once u press blades u commit

no holding back

big button to waste

[harsh steppe]

ohhh ok sweet

Shadow Blades > SS > SoD & SD & Trinket macro > Full kidney > SS > SecTec > SS/Evis spam
?

[sick wasp]

we dont rly KS now in shuffle more like double cheap but that works too yeah

depends the DRs

if i were u ild go something like

sblades=>SS=>KS=>macro=>etc

if u wanna be visceral

[harsh steppe]

yes yes need my visceral brainless instict rot first then i can work on everything else & interrupts & stunning healer etc, just need a combo to auto press instinctively

[sick wasp]

in a perfect environment its better to Sblades=>SS=>cheap=>macro=>rupture=>cheap=>strike=>cb/sectech

[harsh steppe]

perfect! and these talents will work with that right?

[sick wasp]

yeah thats why we get 3 extra globals before the big nuke

danse macabre stacks

for the rotten u need to learn to play around it,no other way(also dont forget goremaw)

[harsh steppe]

ok sounds good tysm again

[thick stream]

This will be stupid question but who easier fire mage or sub?

[sick wasp]

in terms of what

[wintry dew]

To fight against?

to play?

to have as a partner?

To go out with and have a drink?

All of the above?

[thick stream]

xd in 2s for example

[sick wasp]

depends the map,what u que into etc

[thick stream]

Oh okey

[sick wasp]

if u are speaking for relative difficulty

sub is harder to execute as a class

mage is harder to execute as a group

in words u might understand

Sub is the ammo

mage is the gun

[thick stream]

What about realize dps.?

[sick wasp]

mage is way higher burst

[thick stream]

Hmmm interesting

Thanks

[sick wasp]

yw

btw Whaazz que's main team RMP(3.1 mmr currently going for rank 1)

[thick stream]

Rmp was always imba

[harsh steppe]

oh wait... where do i squeeze in ER?

[harsh steppe]

need to get from 448-473... do i just spam weeklies to get the pvp gear to get up there? and wtf is this

[umbral crest]

Just get some honour for now, new season starts next week anyways

[harsh steppe]

ok ty

[umbral crest]

As in the currency, honour gear will be obsolete starting tue/wednesday

[nova sentinel]

Well, if you have no gear, I think honor caps at 11k or something? Don't let it cap, get some resilience gear if you're going to cap

[harsh steppe]

ok tysm

[wintry dew]

You're an old school for sure

"resilience gear"

[nova sentinel]

Haha, versatility

[still abyss]

what can I do to avoid the between the eyes bug where it goes on CD?

it seems that I can't cancel the subterfuge aura for some reason either with macros

why not? :X

[wintry dew]

Dont play subterfuge if that is a bug

idk

[harsh steppe]

i'm sorry guys

[wintry dew]

Its fine we forgive you

[harsh steppe]

but i'm going to need to ask 10,000,000 more questions

LOL

[wintry dew]

Its normal, we had a huge gameplay update

[jolly sierra]

we had lit a rework

[harsh steppe]

when do we find out the new rework stuff for war within?

[lucid citrus]

tbh dont worry about the War within stuff, there is going to be lots of changes since it is in Alpha

[harsh steppe]

ok but probably i'm going to relearn everything in the next few months just to relearn it all again with war within right lol

is this still okay for my sap macro?

and do i use ER & Goremaw's bite in pvp

[wintry dew]

Have you read goremaw?

[harsh steppe]

yes

[wintry dew]

Ofc you do

Idk if it is still the sub case but theres a talent that makes goremaw 100% crit chance

[harsh steppe]

ok ty it looks nice just making sure
and what about ER?

[lucid citrus]

yes you do use ER

[harsh steppe]

ty

so where in:
Sblades=>SS=>cheap=>macro=>rupture=>cheap=>strike=>cb/sectech
would i insert both ER & goremaw?

[lucid citrus]

if you Sblades you dont need to SS before since youre going to over cap combo points with your cheap

[harsh steppe]

ahh ok tyty

[surreal barn]

There are only three people that know it’s time for me to use the bathroom.

Me, the NSA, and the Blizzard Shuffle Queue

[wintry dew]

Oh and the mail man

[waxen meteor]

Honor gained from the Battleground Blitz Brawl now contributes towards the PvP track in the Great Vault.

[rose wigeon]

such bad ideas

killing RBGs even more

[waxen meteor]

alt becomes sooooo easy

i like the idea of making alt easy

[jolly sierra]

FINALLY

[rose wigeon]

i care about the health of pvp more than alts

[waxen meteor]

but blizzard needs to do something for r1 players' 19231283102830 alt

[jolly sierra]

waits

is that real?

[waxen meteor]

many specs ladder is just one person ladder

like enhancement shammy is like one man show

taking something like 13 of top 17 chars

this is really bad for pvp

[waxen meteor]

yeah it's real

[rose wigeon]

thats ss buddy

im refering to RBGs

[waxen meteor]

Yeah yeah i know

I don't play either tbh

so...

[jolly sierra]

that is what i wanted since long time ago

since like

emmm

early s3?

[rose wigeon]

the only thing RBGs have to incentivize players to even touch it is the exclusive titles which they are turning to bg blitz. SS killed ranked 3v3, BGblitz kills RBGs. blizz is activelly killing coordinated pvp

[jolly sierra]

i was upset af when i saw it never counted

[waxen meteor]

tbh i don't do much bg overall, so i don't really have strong opinion on that.

but an easy way to max vault is alright for me

[jolly sierra]

its for cap

mostly

[waxen meteor]

especially during a busy week

[jolly sierra]

also dunno if they will count rbg titles for blitz

but if is the case

gg

[rose wigeon]

they said they will

already confirmed updated tooltips, the rbg titles now count from bg blitz

[jolly sierra]

its done then

[rose wigeon]

RIP RBGs

[jolly sierra]

time to get all fucking pvp class armors

[waxen meteor]

i think they could make SS a bit more different than organized 3s to make it more 'pub' or 'easy'

[rose wigeon]

they need to remove rewards from SS

[jolly sierra]

if u do that u will kill pvp

in SL there were already a lot of gatekeepers in arena

SS brought more ppl, even if it hurts to say

it did

[rose wigeon]

you should 3v3 or 10v10 for rewards tbh. Structured pvp is the move. Humans will take the path of least resistance always, so if a SS option exists people will play solo. It removes any MMO aspect of the game and destroys structured PVP. fueling egos of idiots like DHs who 1-2-3d their way to 2400 and think they are gladiators

many ways to increase pvp play without destroying structure

[jolly sierra]

tradition vs flexibility is the issue

here

[waxen meteor]

traditional means nobody plays

[jolly sierra]

yep

[waxen meteor]

DF S1 SS was hell of people

[jolly sierra]

the reason ppl is going w SS

[rose wigeon]

to put into perspective if gladiator was % based like old days glad would be 2413. Thats crazy low, mmr is murdered in the street bc no incentive to play 3s unless glad +

[jolly sierra]

is because its easier to join

[rose wigeon]

easy is a weak mentality

[jolly sierra]

and rough is just boomer

u need to move out

[waxen meteor]

Nuh, it's the trend, you can't go against history wheel

[rose wigeon]

pvp is on its death bed, itll start to just be a casual goofin around bracket which is a shame

[waxen meteor]

It's also about people want to sit and play

it's not just about easy or hard

[jolly sierra]

its very tough to find a comp which agrees to fully play w u in the finder

[waxen meteor]

it's not easy these days to make appointment to play games

[rose wigeon]

it was a hell of a peak tho in legion and MoP etc. even BFA arenas were sorta nutty. But its been a hard decline, hoping we see new devs come back and respark the fire to pvp, till then fuckit get the enchant and elite sets in week 1 and call it a season

[jolly sierra]

doesnt leaves

[waxen meteor]

you need to use pieces of time

[jolly sierra]

even harder finding a decent healer

[waxen meteor]

yeah SS removes the 'social' part

it's like a pub dota game

[jolly sierra]

the biggest solution RN

is to add glad mounts to SS

fuck elitism

u wanna save the game?

then that is the way

[waxen meteor]

i just don't want to spend 23840328432048230482 hours to find teammates and spend 12u4o324230840238 hours to find a time to play together without interuption

it works when i live in university doms

but not now...

[jolly sierra]

the other big solution is to avoid capping the MMR through a hard way

as they did w DF

[rose wigeon]

LMAO

cooked

you are on meth

but i hope its good meth

[jolly sierra]

im not

[rose wigeon]

you clearly are

[jolly sierra]

u are gaslighting

[rose wigeon]

incorrect

[jolly sierra]

yep

i just ate a bread

[rose wigeon]

people who cant link glad shouldnt talk about what glad requirements should be

$0.02

[jolly sierra]

oh u are a gatekeeper

that is the reason u talk in that way

k

[rose wigeon]

health of pvp over all is more important than individuals

[jolly sierra]

i have elite if u wanna to

[rose wigeon]

SS rating means nothing

lol

[jolly sierra]

but i dont care talking if u are just a boomer

[rose wigeon]

SS is a joke bracket

[waxen meteor]

health of pvp relies on population.........

[jolly sierra]

yep

[waxen meteor]

you can be 'as professional as you want' but when nobody plays it, it's more than sad

[rose wigeon]

i hate to say it but i think the best idea i saw recently was a battle pass structure based on playtime and not rating

you wont ever please everyone making MORE rewards for rating

but the casual player base will respond well to playtime, example being plunderstorm

[waxen meteor]

based on playtime is honestly dumb...

i don't get you...

[jolly sierra]

and slappin "im a glad u have no right to talk" is just a bad excuse

[rose wigeon]

you could lose every game of plunderstorm and be renown 40 and the casuals ate it up even if they hate pvp

[waxen meteor]

there are plenty of people doing 3000 games still at 1600 rating

[jolly sierra]

and more reasons to dont hear you

[rose wigeon]

not many over 3k games at 1600, there are a few though like that rshaman on ED cant think of his name

[waxen meteor]

play time doesn't mean anything

[rose wigeon]

I think rewarding playertime is crucial, in Legion the honor level skill tree increased playerbase, but also balance was better so that goes hard

play time is everything thats how MMR works

you need people to play the game

encourage players to play and MMR naturally inflates

[waxen meteor]

No, lol

[rose wigeon]

yes

[waxen meteor]

you can queue and afk

[rose wigeon]

research how mmr works

[waxen meteor]

to get all rewards

done

[rose wigeon]

players need to fuel the machine to push mmr into it

thats how it is now

you get 2400 in SS with a negative win loss lol

[jolly sierra]

dont bother, wont hear

[waxen meteor]

i strongly disagree ...

[rose wigeon]

i hear alot mr panda

[waxen meteor]

yeah you can play with mmr, same for ss and arena

[rose wigeon]

just been around long enough to see the big pic

[jolly sierra]

dude

[rose wigeon]

pvp needs a mass overhaul in the end

[waxen meteor]

in asian servers, it's been going on like that for more than a decade

[jolly sierra]

in first place

SS is not a joke bracket

[rose wigeon]

not sure itll ever be fully healthy again but we can hope

SS is a joke

[jolly sierra]

if u have fucking glads

at 1k9 MMR

[rose wigeon]

comically idiotic bracket

laughably skill less

[jolly sierra]

if that doesnt counts then tf u have CURRENT season glads

playing at low MMR

[rose wigeon]

i went 0-2300cr in SS in 24 hours with a negative win loss

[waxen meteor]

you need to know, 'skill' is not what drives a mode success or not

[jolly sierra]

so?

[rose wigeon]

by accident, literally was on a laptop with no addons and needed to kill the time while in a dif state

[jolly sierra]

winrate doesnt matter if you achiv ur result

[rose wigeon]

thats the point, joke bracket

[jolly sierra]

seeing numbers vs effort is just a ego check

[rose wigeon]

i dont deserve any of the rewards i got this tier

i played poorly and was rewarded

[waxen meteor]

you can make a game as skill capped as possible but it might just kill the game

[rose wigeon]

if you play that way in 3v3 you wont get near that rating

[jolly sierra]

that means you played better than most people

[waxen meteor]

it doesn't matter bro

rating is just how you play compared to average

in pvp

in that mode

[jolly sierra]

we have guys here which reached 2k1 from 0 in this season

[rose wigeon]

in the end we can disagree, hopefully blizz finds new ideas to fix pvp but i think separating an already fractured community isnt the strat. SS murdered 3v3, and BGblitz was a FLOP that is gonna kill RBGs as well. game will have casual pvp but lacks any incentive, may as well be unranked fortnite at that rate but it is what it is, hope you all enjoy your game time its your sub not mine

[waxen meteor]

3s is more skilled, but also it takes too much energy and time to arrange to play

[jolly sierra]

and gave everything to try it

ditching that effort

[waxen meteor]

which is against the trend of human society

[rose wigeon]

i do think the LFG system is WAY out of date @waxen meteor sadly i have not a clue how to fix it

[jolly sierra]

saying "its a joke bracket"

[waxen meteor]

it's dying

[jolly sierra]

its just being a douche

[rose wigeon]

i think people forget that its an MMO and thats the point, but were all older and dnt have the time in LFG we once did

[jolly sierra]

and denying facts about a dying bracket

[waxen meteor]

that's the real problem and biggest problem and the sole problem that has to be solved

[jolly sierra]

do you wanna know the reason i just SS?

i have a lot of issues finding healers for 2s

and always need to root to the ones with most avaibablility

[rose wigeon]

2s is also not a real bracket to be fair but i dont blame you

healers dont exist

[jolly sierra]

the ones will chastise me a lot but will be hardstuck in most seasons

[rose wigeon]

blizz removed any incentive to pvp

[jolly sierra]

so when solo shuffle appeared i just went there

and did stuff by myself

[rose wigeon]

meta is volatile as shit, healers cant adapt to incoming randomized damage

been that way since BFA

[jolly sierra]

alright im blocking u

your mentality is just awful in every sense

[waxen meteor]

nice, my ret lobby against frost mage 😦

i am dying

[rose wigeon]

the panda blocks me cuz a disagreement over a video game

thats fine i try not to talk to children over the internet i always assumed the playerbase was mostly adults by now

[rose wigeon]

bruh i had like 6 lobbies in a row with nothing but frost mages and SV hunters and was so sad as an assass rogue

GL king

[waxen meteor]

3-3

so close to 5-1 damn

but turned out to be healer 60

clear kill window was showing up

[pine badge]

looking forward to next season guys

[waxen meteor]

sigh

[pine badge]

the pvp will be a lot of fun

hold on to your honour for the big spend on wednesday

[waxen meteor]

lol i love it

you said wed

you knew wow will be off whole tuesday

extended maintaines for 12931290 hours

like always

[pine badge]

i’m not located in NA

for reference

[jolly sierra]

i hope

s4 is more inflated

than s3

lol

[surreal barn]

Can’t wait for blitz

So much better than rbgs

Hopefully we’ll be able to swap spec before it starts

[jolly sierra]

dude

do you imagine getting all those rog armor sets that easy?

XD

how do i look w this?

next goal kek

[surreal barn]

Nice

RBGs are easy though

As they are now

Blitz is gonna be so much better cause we can sap-> cap again

[gleaming pawn]

I wouldn't be surprised if we see more balancing and some rules changes in Blitz

[surreal barn]

If enough people queue you might even get to see mirror matches

Which would be so fun

[jolly sierra]

1k8 should be plenty

2k would be my goal, i fkn love Champion title

would be funny af tbh

with everything disorganized

[gleaming pawn]

there's armor sets from rbgs?

[jolly sierra]

yeah, the warlord and legionary in horde

field marshal and idk the other name in alliance

very old sets, from vanilla

[gleaming pawn]

oooh those old sets

to be honest, I forgot those existed. Think they were added after I quit at the end of Cata

but now I have them, so that works

[jolly sierra]

its ok

the sets has like

20 years?

[gleaming pawn]

yep definitely ancient

[surreal barn]

I like the dagger, it’s the only reason I did it

[jolly sierra]

i would like to have the rog set

its not ugly

and fits very well w the horde og tabard

[lucid citrus]

Alliance set 🙂

[jolly sierra]

looks fine

i envy ally plates too

[jolly sierra]

?

[gleaming pawn]

damn, guessed you pissed Hero off enough to tweet about it

[jolly sierra]

rlly?

bruh sound like sore losing

[gleaming pawn]

looks like a rat icon in that tweet

[jolly sierra]

rat

[sick wasp]

i usually press it before going all alot,for my snd and ruptures n stuff,maybe an off kidney as im prepin' my go but depends

should press on cd

[sick wasp]

[sick wasp]

as part of the opener should be something like blades=>strike=>cs=>macro=>rupture=>er=>evisc=>strike=>cb/sectech but there is the extra cps factor from Shadowtechniques and clone procs from tier set as symbols makes that 40% more often so after than rupture there is a high chance u might have to evisc twice and go for strike/stab into cb/sectech to get like 5-6 danse stacks

that sectech could onetap bears,its heavily buffed

u also get the free-energy finishers there from goremaw's so u have energy to strike in those 2-3 seconds remaining or on your 2nd dance

there is also a more visceral version that plays with the rotten when u just er=>dance=>rupture=>strike into cb/sectech coz u are full hp

rotten is a huge flood of cps but feels good when u dont have cds to send

its also alot more simple

[last jasper]

@interface/addons/blizzard_expansionLandingPage who knows why blizzard ui is crashing? 😄

[fringe juniper]

How do you get Vicious saddles?

[jolly sierra]

doing rated pvp

just that

it eventually appears

[fringe juniper]

lol rng based drop from rated then

[jolly sierra]

i hate them

cant be traded by currencies

so i need to destroy them

[fringe juniper]

can it drop in solo shuffle

[jolly sierra]

yes

[fringe juniper]

ok sick

I hate that place

no lie

[jolly sierra]

look i refuse to take it from mail

im tired of those shits

[fringe juniper]

LMFAO

is it often

[jolly sierra]

its just appears

but when u have all mounts

it wont stop appearing

so it turns annoying

[fringe juniper]

Sounds like ur bathing in Honor

smh

[jolly sierra]

ye

[last jasper]

just buy honor gear and venodr it 😄

[jolly sierra]

ye im lazy lol

or maybe not

better use it for next season

[last jasper]

true

but its like 1 week untill next season

[jolly sierra]

lemme see something

[last jasper]

who know why fcknin blizzard ui is sending me lua erroros 😄

[jolly sierra]

nuh uh

dude that is monday

OOF

[last jasper]

oh shit

[jolly sierra]

they wont wait for the reset

it seems

[fringe juniper]

oh wait does honor not reset after season resets

[jolly sierra]

it never does

but the bloody token will

so just buy cloaks and sell them off

[last jasper]

what do u mean?

reset is on apr 23(24eu)

[jolly sierra]

sorry im dumb

that happens when you have different timezone

anyways start buying guys

[last jasper]

isn't u suppose to farm bloody first week and then swap for honor a weel after?

[jolly sierra]

ye, but i say to sell

that currency will reset

[last jasper]

Conq - yes. but its a blue gear on ur scrshot

[jolly sierra]

xd

yep

[last jasper]

jesusss

[jolly sierra]

bloody tokens

they will reset, so im techically turning them to gold

lol

[last jasper]

they should've left the bloody tokens

[jolly sierra]

ye but they wont as always

[last jasper]

yea

[harsh steppe]

gm

[jolly sierra]

pick the big chunk mastery cloaks

here is still evening dude lol

*midnight

[harsh steppe]

yah same 1am here i wake up early

[last jasper]

it feels sooo bad when ur top gear today is going to be replaced with fckin world pvp blue gear

[harsh steppe]

can't sleep either, obsessing over the new rotation i'm trying to learn

[last jasper]

cuz the last one is better

[jolly sierra]

dont fell bad, in cata to mop ppl replaced their gear with greens

lol

[last jasper]

lmao

but still

such a shit system

[jolly sierra]

in legion i kept my wod tier till lvl 110

[last jasper]

make it at least honor level.

[jolly sierra]

so i replaced it at that capstone

[fringe juniper]

Oh wait you need to earn the seasonal vicious mount before saddles drop?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[fringe juniper]

damn thats like 2400+ rating and 50 wins right

[last jasper]

2400 is a glad mount

[jolly sierra]

thought seasonal vicious mount progress counted from 1k+ or so

[fringe juniper]

ahhh I see so this might take me a bit I just started pvping this week

lol

[last jasper]

At least we can keep tier set cuz they cannot nerf it 😂

[sick wasp]

once u get a solid team and play u will be 2.6 and u wont even understand how eveyrhting passed

50wins is queing for like 2-3 days with your team

[jolly sierra]

and our pve friends decided to keep it off across all the specs lol

[harsh steppe]

ty again! i am getting closer i think
the highest upvoter on my reddit post told me:
Blades>cheap>evis>GB>Stech>cheap>ER & you're saying:
blades=>shadow strike=>cs=>macro=>rupture=>er=>evisc=>strike=>cb then:
evis 2x > strike/stab > cb/sectech
so i'm still having some issues lol

[sick wasp]

its situational,sub doesnt rly have a set opener this time around coz there are rng cps flooding ur opener

[harsh steppe]

oh so that's why there is so much more variation now

[sick wasp]

u should follow whatever makes dmg come out more

[harsh steppe]

ugh

[sick wasp]

yeah,and the variety in talents makes that even more chaotic

but in all,there are some set rules,like pressing more globals before sending ur sectech to buff it

[harsh steppe]

ok so:
blades > SS > cheap shot > ___
on that fourth one, why do you say macro instead of evis?

[sick wasp]

because u wanna press dance str8 away and nuke,sub relies heavily in opener and pressure

if u wait to set up and they force u to trade a trinket to just dance

[harsh steppe]

ohhh ok yes that's what i want

[sick wasp]

u lost the game

remember all this are supposed to be on a vacuum

pvp is far from that

there are mini ccs like small stuns and coils and sht that disrupt ur rotation

thats why u need to have the advantage and strike first and strike hard

[harsh steppe]

what did he mean by GB?

[sick wasp]

goremaw's bite

[harsh steppe]

oh right

so why did you not include GB in your rotation?

[sick wasp]

coz im not playing goremaw's rn

[harsh steppe]

ohh

[sick wasp]

i feel like i dont need it

[harsh steppe]

ahh so you can burst down just fine w/o it?

that's better for me then atm i can just cast gb on cd the more simple the moment the better lol

[sick wasp]

yeah that is perfectly cool.goremaw's gives u 3 finishers energy cost free

many ppl play it and play with rotten coz u strike,and strike hard

makes perfect sense and its very cool

so,u kinda need to play and test stuff and see whats better for u

[harsh steppe]

ok cool

[sick wasp]

i think ive given 2 links for the talent trees didnt i

i think those are the dominant ones

[harsh steppe]

i think so, this is what i have from yesterday

[sick wasp]

unless im missing latest tech

yeah thats the er goremaw

with rotten

[harsh steppe]

ok sweet

so if i went with your:
blades=>shadow strike=>cs=>macro=>rupture=>er=>evisc=>strike=>cb then:
evis 2x > strike/stab > cb/sectech i'd insert goremaw before cb/sectech? so:
blades=>shadow strike=>cs=>macro=>rupture=>er=>evisc=>strike=>cb then:
evis 2x > strike/stab > gb > cb/sectech
?

[sick wasp]

in your 1st line,what i said to u is a hypothetical all-out-fully-buffed cb/sectech(sectech misses befire ''then'')You can press goremaw before dance symbols to get finishers inside dance free.Which means u get rupture,evisc and cb/sectech free those are 3 finishers

u need to test what u feel more comfortable though and compare ''mine'' to other ppl too

its not ''mine'' btw 😛

[harsh steppe]

blades=>shadow strike=>cs=>macro=>gb=>rupture=>er=>evisc=>strike=>cb=>evis 2x=>strike/stab=>cb/sectech

oh who's is "it" lol

[sick wasp]

well when u press ''macro''

u activate dance

[harsh steppe]

yep

[sick wasp]

when sub dances it wants to press something that generates or spends cps

to get danse stacks

[jolly sierra]

boi finally we have a guy which is able to fully reply all hyper doubts

[sick wasp]

and u get limited time for it

so if u think u can push all those globals after gb inside a dance in an arena environment sure why not

[fringe juniper]

Does conquest reset per season?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[potent pivot]

yes

[sick wasp]

yes

[jolly sierra]

any other question?

lol

[potent pivot]

[harsh steppe]

ok perfect! so basically go with the "ideal"
blades=>shadow strike=>cs=>macro=>gb=>rupture=>er=>evisc=>strike=>cb=>evis 2x=>strike/stab=>cb/sectech for now, then as i master it, refine later to what fits me a bit better

[harsh steppe]

only 10,000 more to go

[jolly sierra]

was for jcepy, but ask sapzilla more im sure can answer everything

[sick wasp]

its sub man,its as hard as a rogue spec can be in pvp

no one here can say theyve mastered it

its too hard to handle and very situational

[jolly sierra]

hmmm

i think u need context

ask him for his vods

and you will reply better

[sick wasp]

idk man,there are way better rogues than me as sub,although vie played it alot

there are rogues lurking in here i cant even compare to

[jolly sierra]

not in that way

[sick wasp]

vods are for sublords much greater than me

[jolly sierra]

im 100% sure you can check them

[sick wasp]

well ofc i can

[jolly sierra]

no

200%

or i will eat my toenails

if u are unable to check them

[harsh steppe]

what do i switch out for cold blood?

[last jasper]

No need to ss. Cs gives full combo with blades and find weakness

[harsh steppe]

oh sweet that makes it a bit easier ty

you mean the first SS there right?

[last jasper]

Yep

[wintry dew]

Hyper, shadowblades makes all your generators (cheap shot usually generates 1 (?) CP) give you full combo points, which means you can shadowblades - cheap shot and be full combo points, therefore adding a shadowstrike after cheapshot would just overcap

[harsh steppe]

nice yah ego said that too, i'll remove that first SS for sure

just not sure what to replace for CB

[wintry dew]

I'd love to help but i barely pvped this season

got 2 characters to 1800 and that was it

[harsh steppe]

ok nw ❤️

[harsh steppe]

so do i just cap my honor & wait for next week? or get better gear?

[sick wasp]

its not all about cps,cheapshot is about stunning the target,u ss to push more dmg into the opener,it is what it is.You gonna press symbols either way,which is energy u missed by pressing both anyway

it can be wrong it can be right,everything is relative with sub

and yes both apply fw

hence,u need to test stuff and see whats more comfortable with u

[harsh steppe]

ahh

ok ill play around with it then
what about CB?

what do i take off for it?

[sick wasp]

what about cold blood

RC most likely

[harsh steppe]

awesome! tyty

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-kylo-ren-i-know-what-i-have-to-do-i-know-what-i-must-do-adam-driver-gif-26011680

[last jasper]

Overcap is always a dam loss. U can ss into kidney. But at normal rating u simply give ppl time to react.

[outer sky]

Do we play Improved Ambush or Tight Spender in RBGs?

or PvP in general

Is this the PvP build?

for RBGs

[pine badge]

cap and wait

[outer sky]

Or this?

[wanton breach]

in both builds you linked there is no further improvement of ambushes (no venom rush, no blindside) so tight spender is probably the go to

those builds are heavy on aoe damage, so you will want to use fok on multiple targets anyways

[harsh steppe]

i don't have RC, I have reverbration... you mean that one?

[sick wasp]

yeah thats pretty much the reason outside the 1st strike u cheap into the rest.. maybe another dr cheap

i usually think of ks a good way to stun healers

unless i just cheap and let my mage do the rest with sheeps and rings

[sick wasp]

reverb and RC are on the same node,its either reverb or RC

but ye that one

[harsh steppe]

ah ok tyty

wait do I take off ER too?

i need two in lethality to get to CB so I need two points 😦

[umbral crest]

I don't think you need CB, I don't see too many people run it

[harsh steppe]

aww i wanted to run er & cb 😦

[umbral crest]

I'd say if you want ER then you probably want the rotten from sub tree which makes your next two generators crit anyways

[harsh steppe]

yah i have it

do i have to choose between er & cb?

[umbral crest]

As far as I'm aware Deeper stratagem and the extra shadow dance are more or less mandatory so yeah, you have to choose between running ER, CB or tea

[harsh steppe]

can i run elusiveness instead of cheat death?

[umbral crest]

Probably depends quite a bit on comp etc, it's not rare for people to get bursted down in a stun so I'd run cheat death but I'm not that good 😛

[harsh steppe]

ok i'll go with this for nwo then tysm

the cb approach is more bursty than the ER approach right?

[umbral crest]

Not sure if it is, maybe, ER usually hits quite hard

You'll have to ask someone who plays more sub 😂

[harsh steppe]

nw ❤️

ok so i cap honor what about conquest? do i wait for next week to spend that too

[umbral crest]

That'll reset

So I guess try to convert it to gold or something, haven't looked into it

[waxen meteor]

It’s literally impossible

Rogue tree doesn’t allow you to pick two talents points at button line (other than the dance one that nobody gonna skip)

[harsh steppe]

ok and most go wtih cb nowadays right

[umbral crest]

I usually see ER or Tea

[harsh steppe]

what's that website again wher eyou can see all the top ranked pvpers and their talents builds etc

[umbral crest]

murlok.io

[harsh steppe]

ty

is this the old talent tree?

[waxen meteor]

No it’s new tree

And it’s a commonly used build after ER damage type change

Focusing on burst with ER

Mostly on low armor classes

But tbh after armor adjustment I am not sure if it’s still good

[harsh steppe]

yeah it’s a 2 month old video ok nw

yeah i just looked up the top 5 sub rouges & they all using tea wtf

[umbral crest]

I see more people run ER and GB in 2s

[harsh steppe]

well now i’m just totally lost on what to run lol

[waxen meteor]

With season ending in 2 days

[karmic summit]

whats the dance window when playing that build without er?

[harsh steppe]

blades > (maybe SS) > cs > macro > gb > rupture > evisc > shadow strike > cb > evis 2x > strike > cb/sectech
@sick wasp without ER, this would be my rot right? I just took out ER, just want to triple check (last time i promise lol) before i commit

i think waht i'm going to do is just have a keybind for alternating whatever is OP that season, so cb/sectech atm on 2, if i switch to ER, put that on 2, if i switch to tea, put that on 2, that way i can start playing the game lol

[sick wasp]

its fine my man,there is much flexibility with talents most prefer other nodes but its fine

its a more ''pve'' version

biggest onetap potential if executed correctly

[harsh steppe]

oh really

yes that's what i want

so weird tos ee people running tea in pvp, oh how the times have changed

[sick wasp]

tea is mostly played in 3s

[karmic summit]

this is deffo what i want

[harsh steppe]

ok awesome tysm again

[karmic summit]

whats the macro here symbols dance?,

[harsh steppe]

yes

& trinket

[sick wasp]

symbols,dance,trinket

in a macro

[sick wasp]

the reason behind using tea in general is that with constant swapping u dumping energy more to remain dmg/cc relevant

so u use tea to have energy when u need it

[karmic summit]

whats the talent tree look like without er

just yoink everything into 7cp?

[harsh steppe]

yah i thought that might be it, interesting to see

[harsh steppe]

if you're running cb apparently, other option is running tea

once i get decent at the game i'll switch to tea lol

[sick wasp]

ild say u should never swap to tea

there is no reason to

[karmic summit]

tbh i truly hate tea was so hyped to have it as assa

but tea a sub feels wrong imo

[harsh steppe]

that's what i was thinking!

[sick wasp]

it doesnt

its fine,its a flat mastery buff

its good for dmg

[harsh steppe]

i was like if they running tea why not just play better sustain spec like sin

[sick wasp]

its jsut that other stuff is better

and its also very niche

[harsh steppe]

r1 watch out i'm coming

[sick wasp]

like idk why any rogue would use tea in shuffle or 2s

makes no sense

i could see it in rbgs but still idk

but 3s for sure

looks cool

since u are only doing shuffles there is no reason to

u can experiment ofc,its fine but just mentioning the obvious

[surreal barn]

The burst on sub is still actually insane

Watch that pika aegis video that just dropped where they go 20-0

It’s hilarious

[umbral crest]

Is there a video from Pikas perspective?

I guess there's the vod on twitch

[sick wasp]

posted it for some RM hype 😛

kinda need to scroll up a bit

[umbral crest]

Yeah, I watched the vid, but pika hasn't uploaded anything, https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2122613749?t=04h10m29s seems to be roughly where it starts on his vod though

[karmic summit]

guys dont do i evis is about to be nerfed by %10 again

[jolly sierra]

this TWW embellishment seems to be 100% very hard nerfed in pvp

fuck those pvp ones are crazy

[wintry dew]

Enduring bloodstone seems OOF

[surreal barn]

Love it

lol even better casters will have to choose between precog and that

[umbral crest]

Ferals will have to choose (assuming the PvP talent remains unchanged)

[jolly sierra]

a lot

im sure assa mains are happy w that

[stoic spruce]

Hot

[harsh steppe]

? so i just farm as much honor for next week as possible? i thought there was a cap

?

[umbral crest]

The cap for how much you can have is 15k

11k should be the cost of a set of honour gear

[harsh steppe]

ohhh where do i see that

[umbral crest]

and it's uncapped as in you can farm any amount you want, I assume that's what they meant

[harsh steppe]

ahh

[umbral crest]

Under the currency tab

[harsh steppe]

tyty

[jolly sierra]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/design-your-own-personal-tabard-in-patch-10-2-7-338910

DUDE THIS IS GOLD

[still sigil]

there will finally be options other than hide tabard

[jolly sierra]

help me pls

i wanna disappear

[umbral crest]

Just vanish

[jolly sierra]

im a lock rn

[umbral crest]

Just spam pets and hope for the best

[jolly sierra]

ended 3-3

due to prot doesnt spellwarding me

XD

[nova sentinel]

Do Conquest points roll over to next season?

[umbral crest]

Nope

[nova sentinel]

Use it or lose it eh?

[wintry dew]

I mean

[jolly sierra]

spend it in lockboxes

[wintry dew]

wouldnt be really... cool to just buy full conquest set day 1 of the season

[jolly sierra]

be full geared and do boom boom

[gleaming pawn]

in a perfect world, you don't even have gear in pvp and it's all about your skill 🙂

you unlock transmogs based on rating still for use elsewhere, but in pvp your gear shouldn't matter

[umbral crest]

I kinda like there being gear, partially for the customisation but also the initial process of getting better and getting better gear, can't be too grindy though, I would prefer no gear over anything like SL or BFA

[jolly sierra]

like in legion?

lol

[umbral crest]

Wasn't legion some sort of template for secondary stats and then a kinda normalised iLvL so you were always kinda close to the top even with no gear?

I want to say iLvL mattered, a little

[jolly sierra]

yeah, like that

how was called that system? principles of war?

something like that

[fading blade]

I wonder what the CD will be on the gems

Or will it proc every time

[gleaming pawn]

sort of, except that Legion still made gear matter and did it badly. Tuning would also be easier and more clear

like how many times have Rogues been overly nerfed at the start of a season because people have little to no gear, and then they suffer all season long until Blizz sometimes unwinds some of the nerfs

it literally happens every fucking time

and would not be a thing if they did no gear/stats templates better

[halcyon timber]

Templates were lame and blizz said they arent doing that again. No customization sucks. Gear being a deterministic goal is good. Progression should always be a thing.

Pvers would explode with diarrhea if they went through that nonsense.

[gleaming pawn]

pvp isn't about the gear, that's what pve is for

[fading blade]

Plz wow devs no more gems

[gleaming pawn]

and that was also said by the same big brains that are doing their best to kill pvp, so

[fading blade]

*adds DR gem for CC, wild

[fringe juniper]

this cant be right

can it

[umbral crest]

I mean, I feel the same about gear in PvP as I do about gear when raiding mythic, it's nice to feel some level of progression, as long as you're not entirely gimped by not being lucky/being late to the season

[umbral crest]

Why?

[fringe juniper]

same mount through the three achievements?

or does that turn into a saddle?

[umbral crest]

I think it was a vicious saddle

[gleaming pawn]

your level of progression would be your rating

[fringe juniper]

oh okay

[umbral crest]

At least it was in MoP

[umbral crest]

And your progression in PvE would be the amount of bosses killed

I still like gear being a factor as long as you can catch up relatively quickly like now or so

I hate how gear was in PvP during both BfA and SL, one being RNG as well as M+ being the better source of gear, and the other because it felt bad always being one tier behind the MMR you were climbing through

but this season felt good despite me starting late

[halcyon timber]

Literally the “easiest” gearing has ever been. GW2 rune template nonsense was lame and that’s why people did a lot of wvw where you could gear and effect different abilities to make cool ass custom builds and stuff

[jolly sierra]

imo

should add simplistic pvp set bonuses as like did till mop

way more balanced than depending from a fkn tier

[halcyon timber]

Agreed but even old sets were stuff like vigor and silence for our kick if i remember (been a long time). Then youll always have the crowd “its borrrringgggg” and then devs have to waste more time to shut them up

I prefer simple as well but stupid shit instead of bread and butter prevails

The gem stuff kinda is a call back to the past too, just hope they keep us in mind as well. Glad they are adding in more things and creating stuff.

[umbral crest]

I remember getting full pvp power in every slot as a warlock

[jolly sierra]

pvp power

how old

fuck

[vocal surge]

I'd say this season was pretty bad for PvP gearing in the early part

[jolly sierra]

nothing is worse than bfa pvp gearing

[vocal surge]

It heavily favored players who ran M+ at a very high level since they're able to get gear that had Vers / X with ilvls on par or greater than honor gear while just purely pvp dedicated players were left behind with just 1 Crafted Piece + 1 Conquest item + WM Conq on W1

[jolly sierra]

bruh

[vocal surge]

Forgot about M+ I assume? Lol

[waxen meteor]

Yeah but not very high level

It’s pretty easy level…

S3 just +18

[stoic spruce]

I'll be honest, I got that Big Red Button and absolutely NUKED people

That was so fun

[jolly sierra]

yeah but pvp gear

lit u need to have luck to loot a decent piece

and was worse to upgrade them

[jolly sierra]

i used drest trinket

was crazy af

[stoic spruce]

Chains of Ice + tentacle + HoA + BRB = dead in 4 languages.

I'm in the minority that likes using pve gear in pvp

And vice versa

[jolly sierra]

ngl used junkyard bracers

[stoic spruce]

Ugh yes

[jolly sierra]

to line w burst

[stoic spruce]

Bro

The 2 handed axe from nyalotha?

That explodes every 30 seconds in combat and it scaled with armor

That shit

Melted

God I miss bfa

[jolly sierra]

or the fkn items which DHs used w corruption

[stoic spruce]

TWILIGHT DEV

Dude

Bro I'm telling you

No one likes a balanced pvp enviroment

When everyone is OP, everyone has fun.

[jolly sierra]

ppl like chaos i know

but we are volatile af rn

u know

unless they add rewards like they promised for TWW

our days are counted

[stoic spruce]

Df s2 was balanced at the second half. I don't remember anyone saying how fun that season was lol

[jolly sierra]

df s2 was awful at most part

due to mmr hardcapping

[stoic spruce]

Yeah for sure

[jolly sierra]

and assa 2set was never fixed

xd

[stoic spruce]

In terms of balance it was rather balanced

[stoic spruce]

Lmaoooo

I forgot about that

[jolly sierra]

ye lol

i hated every second

[umbral crest]

The bike trinket

was kinda fun

I had that and the drest, I think

[jolly sierra]

u were able to directly hit w that

if u aimed it in the right direction

[stoic spruce]

That trinket eluded me and I'm mad about it

[waxen meteor]

Damn, dear rogue 1on1 ers

[umbral crest]

I do wonder what classifies as CC

[waxen meteor]

I am not sure if i understand determined bloodstone well enough

[umbral crest]

Same, imagine if every crippling poison application causes it, would be broken, or the opposite, only a new or stronger snare, would be horribly bad

[waxen meteor]

also 2267 per stack is hard to measure as of today

[umbral crest]

Fair, but I doubt it'll do massive amounts of damage

But then again, the alternatives are very strong

seemingly

[waxen meteor]

yeah but it might be good considering the other 2 seems quite solid

should be fairly close level

well, at least it's not the WLK one that reduces 10% or 15% stun time

and can stack with orc

[gleaming pawn]

CC is anything that causes you to lose control of your character. Snares do not qualify

roots do however qualify