pvp

[jolly sierra]

or when u are getting trained, cuz both the uptime and cd are very low

if not, when warrs use bladestorm, monks uses fof or sck, outlaws w flurry

dhs in general

[gleaming pawn]

as Outlaw, if you're taking damage you can be spaming feint

[jolly sierra]

and like that

[gleaming pawn]

it's up always

and you then take less damage

*when talented into Elusiveness

[jolly sierra]

feint has 15s cd and 2 charges when

is talented

so u have 2, each one lasts till 6s

you use one, the other one is already recharging and when it fades will have 9s remaining, chosing to use 1 again

then u can wait 3s and throw one

[gleaming pawn]

that's why Outlaw is better 🙂 Float Like a Butterfly means doing damage reduces your feint CD

so it's always up

[jolly sierra]

everyone can have their own opinions

[gleaming pawn]

absolutely not! I demand this channel fall in line and everyone rolls Outlaw 🙂

[jolly sierra]

those pirates

[gleaming pawn]

https://youtu.be/yRh-dzrI4Z4?feature=shared

[still sigil]

Combat rogue best rogue 😔

[pine badge]

oh man i haven’t heard this term in so long

[still sigil]

I still think of combat rogue in my head, I took a long ol break at the end of WOD

Can't remember if it was already in but new or a legion thing but I remember hearing about it

[pine badge]

i haven’t played since end of mist

but i rmb it being an old school thing

combat assassination and subtlety

wotlk, cata, mists did justice for rogues 🫱🏽‍🫲🏾

[still sigil]

Because as we all know, assassination and subtlety rogues are totally noncombat

[pine badge]

[stoic spruce]

NO

[jolly sierra]

outlaw vs outlaw

what a twist

[gleaming pawn]

Popo is just very passionate, but also what do you expect. Living the pirate's life is to be out for yourself, taking what you can, and giving nothing back

[jolly sierra]

thought being a rogue itself was to be out for youself

fuck too much edits

[still sigil]

Or just fond of giving people stabbity stabs

[jolly sierra]

nah its assaulting ppl in outdoor zone roads

that is it yeah

[umbral crest]

Isn't assaulting people in the open more of an outlaw thing?

[jolly sierra]

thought was more for assa

just look at garona

[sick wasp]

outlaw is better when it comes to brawling

sub is probably better when u plan cds,11 out of 10

sin probably the most opressive into healers

but ye outlaw's float enables outlaw to be probably the best brawler,its ridiculous

its not only feint,its evasion as well that is very strong

[gleaming pawn]

Too bad they won’t be un-nerfing Float after the cloak nerf. There is zero reason for Float to still be nerfed once that goes in

[lone goblet]

I think I realized why being the kill target as assassination feels so bad.

melee spec, best played spreading dots.

When you are being targetted it's very hard to keep your dots up on everyone.

so damage suffers a lot.

doesnt help having the least defensives of the rogue specs

[pine badge]

i feel v fragile when playing sin

sub has survivability but getting kited without vanish, evasion, shadowstep hurts

or trinket

also human is not a great race for rogues

[gleaming pawn]

Human is fine, Nightelf is a crutch and is a min/max

[sick wasp]

Human is probably better than everything else into any comp with stun kill conditions

it just wont die

that being said,it can use 2 dps trinkets

or bm

[stoic spruce]

Crackshot got Float nerfed

1000%

[hidden dome]

If blizzard would just perma ban every player that currently plays a demo lock, survival hunter, Restro Druid or Disc Priest in 2s

The arena pool would half, but PvP would be fun again

Honestly Meta-Hoes should just be banned without mercy every patch.

[umbral crest]

Is demo meta?

[tawny kestrel]

plays outlaw rogue >

[hidden dome]

I play outlaw every season

even if he is D tier, as he often was

[astral snow]

Can I just say I love that Assassin is referred to as “sin” and not the other obvious choice 😅 because I just learned this.

[wintry dew]

Assa is the other choice

[jolly sierra]

ass the other one

[wintry dew]

Ass is never a choice. It's a must have.

[hidden dome]

I'm so happy they don't add anything of value to season 4

Dragonflight PvP is just miserable

Above a certain rating

[wintry dew]

Same

[fading blade]

Hi Raz 🙂

[jolly sierra]

being pandaren is a bonus, same as fury warr

[tawny kestrel]

sup buddy

[hidden dome]

Why does dampening go down in 2s after a person dies?

I just had Damp drop from almost 80% to just 50%

as my heal died

Every time I think I know all the horrible janky bullshit, I learn something new.

Blizzard's incompetence in class and pvp design really knows no bottom

[sick wasp]

did u use wound poison

[hidden dome]

Yes. But that doesn't matter.
You can see what damp is at with the debuff you have

[sick wasp]

ye ik

[hidden dome]

and it straight up went down 20-30%

After my teammate died

[sick wasp]

i just wonder how damp would be that much of a significant factor

[hidden dome]

80% dampening is 80% heal reduction

Which is a ton, combined with wound poisen

[sick wasp]

what are u playing and what did u que into

well hello nice to meet you

ofc it is

[hidden dome]

wait let me check, I have to scroll up

We were Outlaw Mistweaver and we played against BM Hunter and Resto Shaman

[sick wasp]

rated 2v2

[hidden dome]

Yes

[sick wasp]

not solo shuffle right?

ok

[tawny kestrel]

because if both teams have a healer, it starts on 30% dampening

[hidden dome]

Yes, but why would that drop off when my heal dies

[tawny kestrel]

because ur healer isnt in the game anymore technically

[hidden dome]

Ah, so because blizzard is incompetent, the 1v2 comeback is twice as hard as it should be

Great design

100% a bug tbh

[sick wasp]

dont think it has nothing to do with a bug

but can understand why you would lose in 2s as outlaw vs bm/rsham

[fading blade]

how you been bro, meant to catch your last stream

[hidden dome]

We can't know if it is or isn't a bug unless we see the source code.
But my guess is that the dampening debuff just checks for "gametime + Healer Bonus" and the Healer Bonus part fails when someone is dead

[sick wasp]

i think raz gave you an answer to that already

[hidden dome]

I understand what he wrote

[sick wasp]

but anyway,should check for any improvement as for why the monk died

[hidden dome]

Because he was at 80% damp against a BM

That is like 8% effective healing bro

[fading blade]

Im sure its more than just 80% damp as the reason

[hidden dome]

Sure

There is always room for improvement. But at some point people die

[sick wasp]

ye the improvement would be to survive as much as possible

[hidden dome]

And when they die, the damp should not suddenly drop

[sick wasp]

finding/buying more time

[hidden dome]

It would be the same if he had died at 100%

[sick wasp]

playing more reasonable

there is no universal answer to that

[hidden dome]

Then damp would've still gone back to 70%

which would still be stupid

My friend is a gladiator heal. I think he and me both know that. But thanks

[fading blade]

get good or get got

[hidden dome]

Or rather play meta

or get got

[fading blade]

buff DH

[sick wasp]

even if u are rank 1 u still can improve

or get outplayed

flexing titles..

anyway

whatever

[hidden dome]

Yes, let me put in 20.000 hours so I can catch up to the guys who are playing arena since they were 9

bro

[fading blade]

Raz gonna have a field day reading this

[sick wasp]

im playing rogue for almost 20 years

what does that mean

wtff my man

[hidden dome]

And what is your rating?

Are you rank 1

[sick wasp]

100%

[hidden dome]

Obviously you can just grind for hours and eventually get good enough

[sick wasp]

''let me see your dmg meters bro''

[hidden dome]

Rating is not damage meters

Rating actually tells me if you have any clue what you are talking about

Damage is unimportant

[fading blade]

Probably didnt swap on walls, ignored totems, lazy cc chains

ya i see ur point with dampening going away, but the better team should get the W and not be catered to bad gameplay

[hidden dome]

Yes, they should get the win. But they shouldn't just get the win for free once one person dies

I hate that about solo shuffle aswell

I have done a few 1v2s today alone

[sick wasp]

if u had many gone several times into that situation

it might be a healer issue

just sayin

might be nothing,might be luck

[hidden dome]

Oh man, we should queue together

I will be elite by the end of the day

Hop on your priest

[sick wasp]

hpally

but no thx

im into mage tech

for rated

[hidden dome]

And yes, obviously everything could be played better.
And sometimes you just get unlucky (Outlaw is extremly high variance after all)

But that doesn't make poor balancing or actual bugs any less of a problem

[sick wasp]

keep tryin' fam,there is nothing wrong in losing

stay calm

if u did 2.5 you should already know the degeneracy

not much to talk here

[hidden dome]

You are right

Well Dying costs me gold, since they still haven't fixed that age old bug

where pets damage armor

But other than that you're right

[fading blade]

game is in a pretty iffy state, we just gotta ride it out knowing every game is a shit show

[hidden dome]

Ye

[fading blade]

nerf rogue tho

[hidden dome]

To be honest, outlaw's peak damage should be nerfed and they should fix his main bug to make up for it

If you high roll outlaw just deletes in a kidney

but that is 100% rng

[fading blade]

dont need rng when u can roll DH

or ret or war

[hidden dome]

True that

[sick wasp]

just play mage or hunter brother man

ezclap

[hidden dome]

But I can feel my braincells dying when I play either of those specs

[fading blade]

Same

[hidden dome]

Mage and Hunter(MM Surv) are actually fun

[sick wasp]

win by just existing

[hidden dome]

Even if I hate survival in 2s

[sick wasp]

survival is mad strong

[hidden dome]

But I think everyone who played against a good surv resto druid comp hates them

[fading blade]

us rogues gonna be there for each other

[hidden dome]

Other question, is it just me

or are servers laggy right now

not like "porting around" laggy

[fading blade]

cuz we got some hiding in the shadows praying on our downfall, not even rogue enjoyers

[hidden dome]

but like spell queue is bad laggy

[sick wasp]

no idea,cant really tell if i lag by just blinking around

[hidden dome]

Today I kidney a hunter and then that hunter still feign deathed

And he was kidney'd while being untargetable

[fading blade]

yeah that shit sucks

[sick wasp]

thats cringe af

[hidden dome]

And some of my abilities that are off GCD don't go through to the server

[sick wasp]

hunter would flex though

[fading blade]

DW theyre working on MOP

[sick wasp]

uwu i feign'd ur ks

[fading blade]

and TWW

and plunder

[hidden dome]

like I hit them, my friends watching my streams can see me hit them, but the input get's eaten

[jolly sierra]

u sound like a simp rn reading the recent chat

[fading blade]

is this your attempt of trying to force yourself into a conversation?

[jolly sierra]

no. never tried tbh

[fading blade]

i simp for all my homies, nothin wrong with that

[desert hollow]

forgive if this is asked often - outlaw general pvp stat prio?

[stoic spruce]

Verse crit hast mast

[surreal barn]

the only one that ever said hey to me was hyper

Long live hyper the rogue

[desert hollow]

thank you! also is there an advantage to offhand dagger still? just returning

[stoic spruce]

I think it has the better stats but other than that, poison procs. It's minimal

[desert hollow]

understood, thanks so much!

[stoic spruce]

I use 2 1 handers for the mog tbh

You're welcome

[jolly sierra]

the best rookie rogue here

[surreal barn]

Never folded to play DH either lol

[jolly sierra]

me neither

feels filthy

like rule sharking in a TCG game

[surreal barn]

What’s rule sharking

[jolly sierra]

when a guy in games exploits intentionally the rules to make a guy makes mistakes and gain advantage

in yugioh is extremely common, even a top tier player does that, which is disgusting and speaks very ill about the community

[wintry dew]

I swear Hyper became the lowest rated rogue to ever exist WHILE being loved by the community. Thats a hard feat of strength

[surreal barn]

There’s only respect for someone that tries that hard while asking for vod reviews etc

[stoic spruce]

Why does the name Hyper sound familiar

[sick wasp]

it was friday and i was really drunk

[jolly sierra]

they guy never had shame about showing his own games and always asked how to get better

i just wished he could finally learn but sadly left

[jolly sierra]

yep, there are persons which are not very good in anything but make people love them due to their attitude

[jolly sierra]

hyper was the sub rog which was hardstuck at 1k rating in last year

and the one which first disarmed a mage here ever

[wintry dew]

xD

THE LEGEND

[jolly sierra]

he started everything

[wintry dew]

Which makes me wonder

What was your name before that one?

just "female panda rogue"?

[opal bone]

Guy had a 200iq tbh, how can a master of the arcane cast spells without a powerful staff?

[jolly sierra]

"(Not) Annoying Female Panda Rogue"

[jolly sierra]

he was fully aware about DK weapon lore and dependance so connected cables to make the same disarming mages

then rendering them useless

[opal bone]

Neurons activated

[wintry dew]

He was ahead of his time

In theory could make sense

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-iq-smart-gif-25368965

[wintry dew]

"no staff no extra dmg(????)"

[jolly sierra]

exactly

the beginning of a legend in server

[wintry dew]

xD

[wanton breach]

should have disarmed the tank druid

take away his right to bear arms

https://tenor.com/view/supa-hot-fire-crowd-fans-gif-4941183

[jolly sierra]

left him alone he was the pioneer here

lol

[wanton breach]

clearly should have gone 6-0

[jolly sierra]

🅱️erhaps

[lone goblet]

omfg shuffle with people who constantly cc off my dots is infuriating

its like I spend 20 seconds trying to dot everyone up just to see half of them were cleared because someone did a banish or whatever

now I need to dot them back up, oh and the other person got banished during that time

It's like anything but single target train is punished in this game mode

[jolly sierra]

druid spamming cyclone randomly in ppl be like:

[lone goblet]

cyclone, DH banish, hunter trap

I can't keep a dot up on anyone lol

SBS charges all wasted

[jolly sierra]

sometimes ive thrown deathmark on a guy which got cycloned just after i casted it

and just see "inmune"

[surreal barn]

If we are complaining, let me just say 2.2k shuffles with 350 home AND 350 world ms suck

[lone goblet]

I wish we had vendetta back and I wish envenom/mutilate did more percent of damage. This all dot focused thing is annoying in pvp

easy to counter, not bursty at all.

I mean, we were never BURSTY, but now it's like zero

only way to win is top the meter and hope no one dies in the first 90 seconds so your pressure and dots actually do something

if anyone dies to early burst you lost that round because it's sure not your burst winning it.

[jolly sierra]

im ok, im already retired

so

XD

[proven sapphire]

Does anyone have sub rogue vods

I cant win

i went from 2400 to 1700

2-4s

for a week

most losses are my off dps dying 30 seconds out the gate

[surreal barn]

CR or MMR? That’s quite the fall from grace

I haven’t played sub this season or I’d ask for a clip

[proven sapphire]

cr

i just dont understand

every off dps dies so fast

even with all my peels

before go #2

the other 2 wins is before they figure out to spam cc me shadow dance

[gleaming pawn]

it's the last week of the season, the bottom of the barrel are queuing right now

[lone goblet]

Well I finally played enough games that my CR and MMR come together. 1760

Last season was 2050, ugh

Partly deflated season, sure.

I also kind of hate the rework

Kingsbane is trash. It's usually like 2-4% of my damage. Thing rarely does shit

got DTB nerfed for that.

yay

[jolly sierra]

try CT

[lone goblet]

Im always bottom of the healing meter

yay the other bug from 10.2

[gleaming pawn]

if your KB is doing low damage, you're playing wrong

[lone goblet]

Yeah I should just find a spec without it I guess

because it's almost always useless

I guess it gets a defensive maybe

[jolly sierra]

try CT x 2

so u have all damage spreaded

and dont rely too much in KB

making u harder to predict

[lone goblet]

Man Im so bummed. Last season I pushed for 2100 and was one lobby away 3 times. So stressed out about it that I said to myself screw this next season Im just doing 1800. It will be easy. I don't even like pvp it's not worth the stress lets just get the transmog.

Now Im stuck at 1750 and stressing

like DUDE COME ON

[jolly sierra]

try CT x 3

[lone goblet]

Why isnt it easy this season!

It was supposed to be easy

[jolly sierra]

deflation

[lone goblet]

Well I did switch to Myk's build so I dont have to use Kingsbane anymore.

we'll see how it goes

[jolly sierra]

w myk built u do

sec im showing how he uses it rn

[jolly sierra]

this is how he is playing currently

[lone goblet]

Dang, he betrayed SBS

[jolly sierra]

ofc he will

if is a IC build

[lone goblet]

He was playing IC and SBS before

like 2 weeks ago

Well good news, this build my damage is pretty sick. Bad news went 2-4

So yay

[jolly sierra]

as a tip

try using ER just with CT

and maybe up to rupture in shadow dance

nothing else

[lone goblet]

OK got there finally. Thanks for the emotional support Panda.

Did it without Kingsbane. Screw that ability.

[jolly sierra]

u welcome

[frozen bay]

This build runs with haste right?

[clever elk]

im packed now

46% Vers here i go

[outer sky]

Can we still sap cap bases in RBGs?

[astral snow]

Last time I tried, sap was just short and they interrupted me.

[jolly sierra]

no

[frozen bay]

Oh damn. I thought the no kb build runs haste

[jolly sierra]

nuh uh

[frozen bay]

I saw it from a guide somehwre in youtubr. Forgot now which though

[waxen meteor]

9.0?

Just kidding 🙂 fact is no rogue spec needs haste

[jolly sierra]

nuh uh

since DF, in shadowlands sure, for faster energy regen

but tea exists

just notices

does still regens energy?

tested it as assa and no effect

[tawny kestrel]

yes if they're on top of the flag

sap 6 is and cap is 6

[sick wasp]

pikaboo so toxic he lets the priest rez and kills the dps just to let dampening ramp to kill the priest

🤣

[outer sky]

I swear he has faster globals than the rest of us

[sick wasp]

globals are locked he cant physically go faster than the gcd

but ye he is very fast in general if thats what u want to say

[steel scarab]

Lol. Fuck my life, guys. I recrafted a 463 OH dagger months ago and I've been using it this whole time in arena.

I just now realized I forgot to put the conquest trophy in it, meaning this whole time I've been doing arena with my offhand being 20 item levels lower than it should have been

[jolly sierra]

its fine

i was using a 473 w versa mastery crafted

works well anyways, its a stack stick

[untold remnant]

Is avoidance the play over speed?

[steel scarab]

I don't think avoidance works in arena

[jolly sierra]

it does

if enchanted

[sick wasp]

how would avoidance make sense though

its not like u can be killed by aoes

even more nonsensical if u think about spaming feint

[tawny kestrel]

works on blade dance and other stuff

[sick wasp]

hey my man,is there a specific threshold then

like some quantified % we should aim for

or just have it in mind that its not half bad

[tawny kestrel]

nah i use speed enchants myself, you get like 4% avoidance from enchants so it’s nothing crazy

[wanton breach]

avoidance is okay-ish against WWs

like plenty of melee abilities are aoe-aoe

[clever elk]

I have plenty of Dhs (eyebeam and danceshit) then there is also Balance and ferals ( Beam and swipe tresh)

And with that amount of vers you will never be a target

[wintry dew]

Your using single stat gems?

Isn't that a mistake?

[safe pelican]

So dropping master poisoner for CT, swap CB for tea & keep kingsbane , if so I’ll give it a try later tonight after work

[surreal barn]

The reasoning for dropping CB is because it’s used during dance which adds 30% crit chance. It’s not like your kingsbane won’t be critting often in your dance windows

[wanton breach]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFVVRVBEUVZGJAQCBENVUVVVUJQBEiUUBR
i like this build from shadenox in shuffle with elusiveness swapped out for CD against some comps - just rot em down

[nova viper]

Sexoooooo

[surreal barn]

We getting any new enchants/embellishments next season?

or same ol shit

[wanton breach]

same ol shit with the possibility for stuff like the eranog ring

[jolly sierra]

the guy called Shade here said it worked for him

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

same old shit it seems

im leaving an eye in the neck from the new raid which gives full versa

[wanton breach]

the vers+crit very rare drop from volcoross?

[jolly sierra]

ye

[wanton breach]

do you want to do pve in order to get it?

[jolly sierra]

no, but u get a dinar

seems very easy to get if is like in SL

got the sylvanas dagger doing that

[tawny kestrel]

well, you'll need mythic boss kills to get it upgraded to good ilvl

[lavish idol]

Hey guys, can someone recommend some plate addon? I use threatplates currently and not sure how to config it for pvp

or does anyone who knows threatplates have 5 min to help me understand how to get it to work for pvp 😄

[surreal barn]

Do those tokens also come from 2400+

Or nah

[tawny kestrel]

they didnt in SL

[fading blade]

I don’t think in shadowlands, it was all based on bosses killed

[surreal barn]

Lame 😒

[fading blade]

I think its the same till but you get more dinars now

[nova sentinel]

Dinar?

[fading blade]

Yeah next patch is dinar season, so you’ll be able to get any raid loot you want, but you’ll have to clear content in order to upgrade it

[jolly sierra]

booo

well we can get it for collection anyways

[fading blade]

1000% I’m makin alts for dinar mogs

[lavish idol]

at minimum anyone suggest any plate addon for pvp?

[fading blade]

Plater, threatplates, betterblizz, default, elvui

[surreal barn]

At minimum all u need is diminish

[fading blade]

And omnibar

[lavish idol]

I can't get tp to work for me, so many options

[fading blade]

You will have to mess with every addon in order to get it to the way you like it

I think bicmex has his profile exported somewhere

[lavish idol]

It's more or less ok but the main issue I have is that friendly players look exactly the same as enemies, with class colours, and I want a way to split them

nvm I found it

[ruby cobalt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1118830356808876032/1229489129381695548/PXL_20240403_091058400.jpg?ex=662fddfb&is=661d68fb&hm=034acb59675075775b3dac8a3d750065997219124ab183d28a1548967bdad888&

anyone recognize the bench

[jolly sierra]

how is this related to wow pvp?

[umbral crest]

Kansai? No idea

[pliant mauve]

Maybe I’m a tilted little bitch but I just went from 1900 to 1700 back to 1900 over two sessions and I noticed something sus as hell that happened in 4 different lobbies. In some lobbies I’ve noticed that literally in the same global that I hit shadow dance I’m immediately aoe stunned. It never happens in the opener but literally every time after. And only with shadow dance. Every time it did happen — in 4 different lobbies mind you — it is literally instantaneous, like before my finger has even fully gotten off the key. At first I thought a wrap aura warning or simply bad luck but in all the instances where it did happen the timing was exactly the same.

[fading blade]

Isn’t this reckful’s bench?

[fading blade]

Lots of people use the WA packs that will play a giant fucking buzzer sound to let them know we are dancing, so theyll CC

[pliant mauve]

I mean I get that but the response time is inhuman. It’s like we’re on the same network with 0 latency. Like the icon isn’t even done with its millisecond animation and I’m always stunned. Every time.

[umbral crest]

Played on my prevoker for conquest and got interrupted at the same 0,2s left every time by the same mage, tried fakecasting but never worked, always the same timing, guy’s consistent if nothing else.

[pliant mauve]

Or a bot. Something feels off.

[jolly sierra]

u can get tracked

[fading blade]

I know there are bots, from what I’ve seen it’s mainly Hunter/Shaman/DH, but in my 2.3 mmr lobbies it’s mainly a storm bolt on CD

[umbral crest]

Maybe, but I’ll just let others decide, I’ll just play

[jolly sierra]

i can sometimes insta disarm a dk bursting with empower runeblade

[umbral crest]

I couldn’t distinguish a bot from luck/consistency across a single lobby anyways

[jolly sierra]

just by hearing the announcement

but react speed is noticeable

[surreal barn]

I seen some sus stuff, but honestly just have to play around it

[jolly sierra]

the more sus stuff ive seen are ppl w precog

[surreal barn]

There are bots in every online game

[jolly sierra]

botting w that

[umbral crest]

I like the edit 😂

[surreal barn]

Yeah I didn’t want anyone thinking I was talking about every lobby lol

[pliant mauve]

Yeah. I get that. I definitely get outplayed often but over the entire season it hasn’t been this often and consistent especially with how it’s specifically aoe stuns and shadow dance. But I’m tilted and it doesn’t even matter.

[umbral crest]

Yeah, makes sense 😂

Ever had any actual bots? Had a lobby with a rdruid doing the same rotation/movement/everything every round

Guessing he’s just farming the healer conquest tokens

[surreal barn]

Every single person has a weakaura that screams out every dance we take the instant it happens this is just how it is now lol

[pliant mauve]

I’m just waiting for the bots to get even more advanced so not only do I get perma-stunned but they also bang my girlfriend, steal my CC number and then Swat my house.

[jolly sierra]

ive seen a rog bot

literal just reacting w contact

after some rounds he seems to turn off the bot and playing normally

[pliant mauve]

Imagine waiting in queue to do that. Jesus.

[jolly sierra]

gladiatorlosa2 says "S H A D O W D A N C E"

proceeds to insta cc the rog

[umbral crest]

How common is losa these days? Was fairly uncommon until legion or something if my memory serves, but could be wrong

[jolly sierra]

ive seen that in r1 matches

since shadowlands

[umbral crest]

Also, friend complains about pets and spell effects in pvp, his UI gives every pet a bar with debuffs while players have overlapping debuffs/CDs… and losa shouting permanently..

[jolly sierra]

weird

for me works fine

[umbral crest]

It’s probably his settings

[jolly sierra]

but audio alerts are very very useful

[umbral crest]

Yeah, I can imagine, I should install it but cba setting it up yet

[jolly sierra]

is not hard tho

[umbral crest]

I only want the big prio stuff so I’d have to set it manually, would take me at least 10-15 minutes!!

[jolly sierra]

if i recall is EZ af to setup

[umbral crest]

Yeah, I had it during SL

Just gotta unclick stuff in a list

[jolly sierra]

yep

basically

[umbral crest]

Either way, I should get more addons/WAs but I’ll do that a season where I actually try to push… haven’t actively tried to push anything since legion..

[jolly sierra]

i see

i started doing that since SL, always had problems looking for healers

and being hardstuck at 2k

then SS appeared and was able to push forward every season

[umbral crest]

I’m kinda stuck at 1800 but that’s because I always stop there…

[jolly sierra]

but im lazy af so i stay at 2k1

[umbral crest]

SS might make me try to push next season, finding teammates was always a chore

[jolly sierra]

cuz i care the most for ilussions

yeah dude healers are like finding a needle in the desert

[umbral crest]

Feels like every single potential partner was either 1500 or glad xp, just wanted something closer to myself xd

[jolly sierra]

or just blames u for shit

[umbral crest]

I used to heal a lot, problem then is you get invited but you’re still worse than them lmao

[jolly sierra]

and when u tell them a moment they were wrong they told u they didnt xf

xd

so fuck it, SS all the day

at least can go alone anytime

[umbral crest]

Yeah, provided queues aren’t too bad at least

[stoic spruce]

https://youtu.be/jp3DNiTmcE8

[nova viper]

Uwu

[jolly sierra]

huh

[umbral crest]

Waited 30 minutes in queue only for a DPS to afk, 4-2 for free I guess but still :/

[jolly sierra]

well

its something

[surreal barn]

You’re gonna see a lot of afk leavers this week lol

Scared of losing their MMR

[jolly sierra]

when the real end season gonna be?

with week 0 after that?

[surreal barn]

I think 22

[jolly sierra]

lets see

[gleaming pawn]

S4 starts next Tuesday (USA! USA! USA! 😜) S3 should be ending tomorrow since we usually get a week between

[jolly sierra]

O O F

damn ppl here will desperate a lot

[lone goblet]

No week off this time. It ends monday night (22nd).

I guess because there is no new content with this season. Usually we get story quests, catch up gear, new zone to explore.

So a week off now would be kinda weird with nothing new to explore

[jolly sierra]

s4 is always the s3 electric boogaloo

[outer sky]

As outlaw/hpal vs Frost mage/Hpriest whos the kill target?

[waxen meteor]

Wait what?

[tribal badger]

s4 starts the 23rd

next reset (the one after tomorrow)

[surreal barn]

the cow pushes onward

[jolly sierra]

holy shit 6-0

u are very ambitious dude

hope u win the next one

[steel scarab]

Do it!

Live the dream!

[surreal barn]

😴 sleep time

[jolly sierra]

welp

[gleaming pawn]

Zeiss is such a tease

[steel scarab]

You can't disarm feral druids or monks, right?

[gleaming pawn]

oh you can

[steel scarab]

(I've always assumed, but I've never tried)

[gleaming pawn]

it just doesn't do anything

[jolly sierra]

its like disarming a mage in feral case

[steel scarab]

I'm very excited for them to nerf Cloaked in Shadows then

I'll lose even harder to feral druids lol

[gleaming pawn]

just play Outlaw and then you wont care about feral druids

[steel scarab]

I'm pretty sure if I played Outlaw I wouldn't care about anything, it's just faceroll with intermittent Kidney Shots, but I can't bring myself to play the rogue version of a Demon Hunter

When I kill people above 2000 rating as Assassination I literally feel like a genius, because that's how difficult the class feels in arena lol

Maybe I'm just a moron but it seems like 1-2 mistakes and I am just screwed

Meanwhile if I'm against a DH, a ret, or a warrior it feels like they constantly threaten lethal damage while just completely zugging

[tribal badger]

pretty sure sin pves people down just as hard as outlaw

they both do about the same setup

ur def squishier as sin tho so its got that (not) going for it

[steel scarab]

Maybe I'm doing something wrong? I almost never, ever kill someone without a Shiv + Kingsbane followed by 100% CCing the healer for 8 straight seconds

Like the healer is never just free casting while people die

[tribal badger]

i mean healer is never freecasting when people die as outlaw either

unless ur at like 80% dampening

[steel scarab]

That definitely happens with DH and Rets

[tribal badger]

outlaw isnt doing more sustain damage then sin

oh for sure that happens with dh and ret

[gleaming pawn]

I don't know why you would have it in your head that Outlaw is some faceroll noskill spec like a DH or Ret

[tribal badger]

the point of outlaw is to keep up high sustain pressure while disrupting the healer with cc to pressure a kill you cant just do pve damage ignore healer to victory

not in real rating lobbies anyway

[gleaming pawn]

exactly, Outlaw is still a rogue spec and you have to utilize smart CC opportunities to secure kills while also maintaining all of the spinning plates of Outlaw damage

[tribal badger]

and by high sustain pressure I mean high for a rogue, outlaw still isnt comparable to a true pressure melee like dh/arms/ret in terms of pveing

[gleaming pawn]

Sin does much the same thing, just different plates

[tribal badger]

you push hp bars down by being very disruptive to healers while doing your crackshot windows

[gleaming pawn]

and Sub for that matter

[tribal badger]

you can put out that kind of scary pve pressure if u get absolutely absurd rng on a crackshot window but its definitly not the norm for outlaw

like if ur proccing every shot

[gleaming pawn]

lol yep, I have deleted people with a god-tier crackshot window and good RtB rolls. But the lows of Outlaw are imo, far far worse than the highs and it's very easy to see said lows with all of the RNG

[steel scarab]

I have never deleted anyone with a god tier Kingsbane

[tribal badger]

to be clear "deleting" someone with god rng on a crackshot window is

[steel scarab]

Just, are you at 10%? Okay, you die, but no one ever lets their HP get that low

[tribal badger]

8 abilties

6 seconds of mashing bte

and having it proc over and over

so delete is a strong word

nothing outlaw does deletes anyone its the lowest burst rogue spec

[steel scarab]

Lowest burst, but highest sustained I'd wager? The sustain has to be higher than assassination

[tribal badger]

uh

maybe the highest ST sustain

def isnt doing as much aoe sustain as fok spam 3 target bleed maintain sin is doing rn

[steel scarab]

Unless all 3 people just stand next to each other everytime you restealth

[tribal badger]

but its ST pressure sustain is probably the highest

but again

[steel scarab]

And get hit by Indiscriminate Carnage

[tribal badger]

ur never killing anyone with that

maybe at like 80% dampening

outlaw kills people by cc chaining the healer or kill target while other targets are cross CC'd during crackshot windows

ur rarely starting a go on a full hp target if ur playing outlaw right

(similar to sin)

[steel scarab]

Yeah sin can't 100-0 people generally either

You have to have them at like 50% to start a go

And I find that, with some SS comps, if my teammate also doesn't provide big DPS pressure, I can just never threaten lethal damage before I run out of defensives

Feels real bad

[safe pelican]

Same same

Like you kinda need your teammate to lock tf in on a kill target out the gate but that rarely happens if it does I CC healer get trinket and it’s usually game but if not I’m burning defensive trying to survive their go to hopefully go again lmao

I like the damage just need to kite more i guess

[fallen scaffold]

as assassin, if you have the spare global, is it always better to press envenom instead of crimson tempest if its just single target/1 enemy nearby?

[steel scarab]

Absolutely yes, you should not CT 1 target anymore

[fallen scaffold]

2 targets tho? ct > envenom then?

if u have the global to spare

[steel scarab]

The only (potential) exception in PvP is if the opponent is really low, you have a second where he won't be healed, and tossing the CT on might trigger Sudden Demise

I still wouldn't CT 2 people unless pets are involved

If there are pets and minions, then absolutely CT

Even if it's 1 person, if there are pets and minions it's hitting, absolutely CT

The damage is significantly increased the more things it hits

[fallen scaffold]

fosho good looks

[jolly sierra]

CT is for cleaving

if u have spare combo points

try envenoming

or using snd

[fallen scaffold]

i usually prio snd over both those

[jolly sierra]

then envenom tho

or rupture

if is not applied

[nova sentinel]

Outlaw question, in bgs, is it worth the globals and points to be getting SnD up? Feelz like a lie is maintenance to get RtB and SnD

[vocal surge]

If your able to sustain your chain of abilities, no

If your going to fight multiple people, yes

Also uptime isn't a problem as Outlaw unless your traveling from point to point unstealthed

[nova sentinel]

Hrm, ok, ty, good stuff to ponder

[vocal surge]

Since UUH maintains SnD, Blade Flurry, and Adrenaline Rush for about 20mins

While in stealth

Assuming max time preserved

[steel scarab]

Man it feels great in solo shuffle when I press Shiv + Dance + Kingsbane, a Kingsbane that would've killed my target, only for it to say "immune" because my Druid teammate thought it'd be a great time to Cyclone that target

[sick wasp]

where do u base the ''20mins''

[sick wasp]

if u are not in voice com or u dont know each other n stuff,druid shouldnt clone

but in all you should as well check before pressing ur stuff coz clone is a good way to deny cds/heals

[vocal surge]

Being in the back of the arena rooms waiting for my turn in 5v5s 1v1s

or sitting around cities while AR + SND + BF is up in stealth

[sick wasp]

well u cant do that in a pvp environment unless u are like that

[vocal surge]

It's possible

Defending flags in CTF maps

[sick wasp]

ye thats the same as safekeeping

its stealthing

when u are in combat there is significally less probability u get to have a quarter of that uptime

[vocal surge]

He's talking about SnD uptime thou

and the thing is

if you're walking in stealth as much as possible

you're going to have that ~20mins of uptime

[sick wasp]

im not talking about him though

just found weird u said it can mainting those for 20min in general

[vocal surge]

Once you hit combat, the timer does tick

[sick wasp]

but ye gotcha

well hello nice to meet you fellow rogue

[vocal surge]

Aye, u 2

[pine badge]

god bless open world pvp

[wanton breach]

playing a new spec and trying to learn - why the fuck do I lose so much MMR if I go 5-1 in the lobby?

[sick wasp]

its an issue all healers have

cant rly understand how it works but eveyrone is btching for mmr as a healer this season

im gonna try hpally next season btw

[last jasper]

Game expected u to 6-0. U were 300mmr higher. The question is why were u matched in such a lobby

[wanton breach]

first game as holy priest

[last jasper]

Oh I didn’t see u were healer. They used to put them in lobbies like that for a faster q

[nova viper]

Cuz healer is broken

[gleaming pawn]

As Egoist said, as healer you’re only matching against the other healer and since your MMR was 300 above the other healer you needed to go 6-0. But even if you had, your MMR probably would have only stayed the same

And this is just one of the many reasons Healers are fucked in SS and why there are so few bothering

[steel scarab]

All right rogues, I turned 40 years old today

Gonna queue for arena and see if I can still win games at 40 lol

[surreal barn]

What if you can’t

[steel scarab]

Then I guess it's Raid Finder time

[jolly sierra]

lol

[jolly sierra]

you

go q

lol

[surreal barn]

I’m at work

Mebe tonight

@chrome schooner needs to FedEx me more bottles of his sweat. I’ve been drinking it to gain rating

[nova sentinel]

So, is Outlaw viable or is Sub and Assassin better?

[untold remnant]

Outlaw is most viable probably

[nova sentinel]

Huh. What does Pikaboo play atm?

[safe pelican]

outlaw pumping the most dmg rn but I think that spec takes the longest to get down pact , no input from me yet since i haven’t dialed that spec in

Sub is Bae 4L

Assass is cool but I have to rely on my teammate and the comp a lot I’m noticing that if I have like an Aff locK OR DH

[untold remnant]

Having way more success playing Outlaw - Boomie - Heal or Ele - Boomie - Heal than with the other two

Sub only works if you are on voice with teammates.

And then you need synergy with teammates, more so then on outlaw

Also outlaw dies slowest due to more stamina and faster defensives

[safe pelican]

That’s kinda true i play with my boi in voice when i run sub so you got me there , I like running it in shuffle but you have to deal with people messing up DR’s in lower rated lobbies , but just running in sapping the healer into a blind kidney and full go into the kill target with duel and smoke will have you 1600-1800 easy in sub

[nova sentinel]

Hrm, so Outlaw is more of a brawler. Good in bgs I guess

[umbral crest]

So, quick question about outlaw, is there any reason not to create a macro that uses ambush if in stealth and sinister strike if not?
Shadow dance works as stealth and it casts ambush, the ambush procs convert regular sinister strike regardless of macro so that's covered too

[nova sentinel]

Not sure what you mean or need the macro for. The game recognizes now when you are getting procs or in dance, so SStrike auto turns into Ambush

[umbral crest]

It recognises procs for me, not dance/stealth though

[sick wasp]

bruh mage is absolutely disgusting

snowdrift needs a nerf

ive kited 2 warriors and a ret over half arathi basin

like i wanna meet the dev that actually made this altertime 4-5 blink combo

with two novas

[tawny kestrel]

your dance and stealth bar is different than your normal bar, so why would you need this?

[sick wasp]

and snowdrift

[tawny kestrel]

just put ambush on your stealth bar and be done withi t

[surreal barn]

There was some expansion (or it could have been an older pc of mine) where the stealth/unstealthed bar would have a lag to it and that’s when I just make them the same exact skills for both

[steel scarab]

My stealth / unstealth bar has lag to it

[tribal badger]

all bars do

its called stance delay

[jolly sierra]

what have i done now

[sick wasp]

u exist

but its not ur fault

im generally talking for frost mage brother

never in my life have i felt something being so incredibly out of reach,for any melee

sht needs to get nerfed

[last jasper]

frost mages need a nerf. thats something

[wintry dew]

Happy birthday Rogue brother, i hope you and your wife have an amazing day

[gleaming pawn]

Legion fucked the stealth bar into oblivion, as in removed it. It was awful, but luckily that’s not a thing anymore but we do still have minor stance delay which can largely be gotten around with macros but it’s not a perfect solution on purpose

[nova viper]

Youngest wow player

Jk i have 22

[jolly sierra]

what is the average age for both DH and hunters players?

[safe pelican]

65 + easily 🤣

[jolly sierra]

yeah they are boomers, that is the reason for their temper tantrums lol

[gleaming pawn]

No way, only squeaky voiced children main DH

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-chan-christian-weston-chandler-christine-weston-chandler-tantrum-spoiled-gif-22693362

[surreal barn]

OMG

A pvp update

The gods smile down on us this night

[jolly sierra]

oof

how do we interpretate that?

[surreal barn]

That someone still works there

[jolly sierra]

a

[gleaming pawn]

Get fucked (slightly) fist weavers!

[jolly sierra]

nice

[still abyss]

hey, new to outlaw, is there any decently up to date guide? I don't really trust icy veins etc

[gleaming pawn]

Just use the pve HO guide for your rotation and RtB rules

[still abyss]

HO?

[gleaming pawn]

Hidden Opportunity

[still abyss]

never heard of it, I'll google. thanks 🙂

[gleaming pawn]

There’s 2 builds for Outlaw in PvE, the other build (Keep it Rolling/KiR) is super bad in pvp

[still abyss]

ah

[gleaming pawn]

#1174395450250498108 message

[still abyss]

much obliged ❤️

@gleaming pawn one more question, do we ever sinister strike from stealth/dance up?

(can I replace SS with ambush on my stealth bar is essentially what I'm asking)

[still abyss]

(also between the eyes replaces dispatch in dance/stealth right?)

[gleaming pawn]

yes you replace SS with Ambush on your dance/stealth bar

99.9% of the time in PvP you're good with never using BTE outside of dance/stealth. There are cases for it in pve but it's a more of a min/max and not required

[still abyss]

yeah I'm just learning rogue so that 0.01% min max isn't for me

[gleaming pawn]

it's closer to 2% overall in a perfect pve world, but with the differences in uptime in pvp you want to make absolutely sure you don't screw up your subterfuge window (enemy players will do that for your more than enough)

and while you're learning, it doesn't hurt

[still abyss]

does the BTE CD reduction benefit from subterfuge?

[gleaming pawn]

if you want to try and push for max damage later, you can always make a macro to use BTE outside of dance/stealth

subterfuge is your "Crackshot window"

[still abyss]

right. right now I'm struggling with binding the many damage abilities

[gleaming pawn]

because during subterfuge, your BTE has a chance to generate CPs, and resets the CD

[waxen meteor]

Question so for pvp next week of s4, it looks like it’s gonna be exactly the same as this week other than new item level?

Losing tier set probably for first few weeks

Which doesn’t matter much for sin/sub probably

[gleaming pawn]

correct

[waxen meteor]

very exciting

[vocal surge]

Pog

Next week S4 starts?

[tribal badger]

yup

[vocal surge]

Aye

[waxen meteor]

i mean unless there are some tunings posted end of week, i guess there will be

it's literally s3 again

[vocal surge]

Time to equip the same set into S4

[waxen meteor]

[vocal surge]

Because no set bonus Outlaw sucks

And it takes a couple weeks to get the set

[waxen meteor]

sub/sin no difference

[jolly sierra]

assa have the same

and sub

[waxen meteor]

honestly i think sin needs no set

[jolly sierra]

im ok w assa tier

at 2

[waxen meteor]

it's just alright

[jolly sierra]

but tbh wanted the s1 one

[waxen meteor]

more like nice to have

for some specs highly needs tier, they gonna suffer a bit first two weeks

are there good pve gears from s1-s2 that could be useful in pvp?

[gleaming pawn]

some rings, but that's it

[waxen meteor]

yeah i am not sure if i want to play pve again next season for rogue

[gleaming pawn]

and it's not like they would be broken, just possibly side grade

and you'd have to get them mythic track

[waxen meteor]

myth drop seems easy

all my 3 chars reached 2800+ myth

tbh it seems very easy

[gleaming pawn]

oh no these rings are from the raid

[waxen meteor]

alright i know nothing about s1 s2 raid lol

[gleaming pawn]

not s4 ivl, but this is what I'm talking about

[jolly sierra]

diurna seal is hard nerfed tho

[gleaming pawn]

it would be a side grade for sure

and don't forget, with the ilvl of s4 we'll be hitting secondary DRs pretty hard

like Outlaw will probably go for some mastery because of the crit DR

[vocal surge]

Yep

Crit n Vers both are likely to hit drs

[still abyss]

any good outlaw streamers I can watch?

[hearty bluff]

#rogue-streamers

[still abyss]

ty

also why am I in queue for 40 minutes for a random bg...

[fallen scaffold]

sub doesnt press black powder in pvp right

[waxen meteor]

but we have fire dmg?

[gleaming pawn]

crafted helm 🙂

[jolly sierra]

scale it to 528 ilvl

[jolly sierra]

hmmmm

lemme see

[gleaming pawn]

scaled the seal to 528 too, it's an interesting potential choice if you can manage to get the ring at max ivl

[jolly sierra]

lemme see the multiplier

[gleaming pawn]

wowhead says it still has a 1x multiplier but that's been wrong before

[jolly sierra]

hmmm

lemme see

i can test very easily that

[jolly sierra]

multiplier is intact

seems like cowl effect is too

buff feral

[gleaming pawn]

Well now we’ve gotta get into mythic raids for the ring 😛

[jolly sierra]

or paying nova 🤑

[sick wasp]

trill and kalvish both stream highend 3s push boys

hop in

very interesting

[hidden dome]

Just played against a holy priest doing 11 million damage in a rounds of 2s

Those 8 different damage buffs were really needed

Blizzard

[fringe juniper]

Does anyone know of some worthwhile things to buy with Marks of Honor?

[hidden dome]

Can Blizzard finally fix the fucking Enduring Brawler Bug. That talent has 1 function and straight up doesn't do that half the time

If I created as many bugs in my code as blizzard does in theirs I would be out of my job

[hidden dome]

Man I just love playing against people 100 fucking rating above me

and losing as much rating as they gain

[sick wasp]

there will be some inflation before the season ends

you could push some but not like last season

or the previous one

everyone que's 3s now

[hidden dome]

Yeah, but still bullshit that you can queue against people 100 rating above everyone in your team

and then lose 10 rating for a loss when they get 11

[sick wasp]

thats just sht man,i que into 2.7 teams and im not even 2.4 on my mage

its what it is

[hidden dome]

Yes and because it is what it is that people quit

half my arena friendslist has quit in DF

Or maybe not quite half, but a lot of them

[sick wasp]

dont rly care tbh,season about to end,im going balls deep next one

that mount is mine

looks amazing 😍

[hidden dome]

That mount is nice, but I don't have it in me to push another season

after this one

I will just get KSM first week and then 1 or 2 elite sets

[sick wasp]

i think i wont try as a rogue,its just not fun

[hidden dome]

and drop the season

[sick wasp]

yeah maybe somehting like that

[hidden dome]

My sub runs out in a month anyway, not gonna keep it going for season 4

[sick wasp]

ive got another 4 months its just a dead season,outside some fun in keys and arena there is no reason to do anything

ill just do it for the mount

im determined

[hidden dome]

We played again against the guys 100 rating above us

but this time we won

ez

+14 rating

[jolly sierra]

50g per 3 marks with recipes

[hidden dome]

Man out of the last 4 games I played, 3 were feral holy priest

and all of them were different teams

In which world is this reasonable damage?

For a holy priest

Oh I know, the same world were ferals are allowed to run precog

[vocal surge]

Ngl

Its fun fighting folks that are 2400+ rating

[tawny kestrel]

30k dps as a dps class in 2v2 is criminally low

the holy priest is doing reasonable damage, he doesn’t have to heal much cus you’re doing zero damage

[sick wasp]

dunno how heavily u got cc'd but this looks kinda low as raz mentioned

should do something like 50-60k

ive played vs a DK that fisnihed with 120k

the dude actually went full legendary parses on my ass

[vocal surge]

^

Im with Raz here

[hidden dome]

My details always drops the numbers when I leave arena.

Don't ask me why, but details has been doing this since at least SL for me

In arena it was 65-70k not sure, but around that

[umbral crest]

Mine also drops, but usually only by adding a few extra seconds after combat ends, usually due to dots, I think at least

[hidden dome]

Mine like halfs most of the time

And that even if I'm in combat for 90+% of the match

[sick wasp]

switch on dynamic current segments

details has data memorized

[hidden dome]

I will check if I still have the data and try

[sick wasp]

but ye anyway,to the point

the more dmg the better

[hidden dome]

Yes

Big Damage good

[sick wasp]

que'd on my 2nd mage some shuffles on like swap mmr

like 1.7

hunters still do 70k

at least

im gonna train my hpally from now on

and monk

i believe in one of those

[wanton breach]

hunters are by far the worst enemy to face as a mage

[sick wasp]

yeah but i kinda onetap them as well

survivals dont expect snowdrift

[wanton breach]

fire? roar of sacrifice is such a strong defensive

[sick wasp]

so i clap their buttchicks in a stun

frost

[wanton breach]

regardless of spec

[sick wasp]

yeah for sure

but has like x3 times longer cd than snowdrift

snowdrift is 50sec

• shifting power goes down to 38

😉

the only hard thing is to actually execute the oneshot shatter

coz u need to take advantage of both debuffs without overlapping IL

that sht needs a ph.d

actually onetapped an hpally like that,its crazy dam

[hidden dome]

But do people actually pull off 120k in 2s with real time DPS as the guys above are claiming? Because that would be almost 22 million damage in 3 minutes which I don't even see at the rank 1 level

In 3s were you can free cleave or against pets, maybe

[sick wasp]

gripped me and my priest

we both died in 40sec<

[hidden dome]

Well yeah, in burst I also hold 100k+ with outlaw

but if you kite and the game goes long that drops off massively

[sick wasp]

he didnt press breath or anything

just some procs

[hidden dome]

Damn

[sick wasp]

wasnt full burst mode

[hidden dome]

DKs can be scary

[sick wasp]

yeah very

[hidden dome]

I mean, if the guys above really manage 50-60k in 2s with real time (including downtime etc)

Then they must pull 200k bursts as outlaw

[sick wasp]

raz does easily 200k

[hidden dome]

Man, I need to watch him then

[sick wasp]

btw,he has more rank 1s than the entire discord

just sayin'

[hidden dome]

If he does that kind of damage I believe it

[sick wasp]

In order to understand for what person we are talking about

this season

he cleared mythic amidrassil with leggo logs

9/9M

he took rank 1 title in m+

and he streamed yday or like couple of days ago outlaw 3s at 2.9

[tribal badger]

bursting 200k as outlaw vs plate sounds pretty hard

[sick wasp]

dunno where exactly he stands now

[tribal badger]

maybe if ur 2t cleaving with godlike rng tho yea

dont think outlaw hits quite that burst ST in arena

maybe on a mage

[hidden dome]

With back to back procs on a mage + priest 200k is doable

[vocal surge]

Outlaw can definitely do random bursts

[sick wasp]

outlaw can do 200ks

[hidden dome]

Ye Outlaw is high variance.

[sick wasp]

although its not a highlight thing to be aware of

raz ccs the entire team

and swaps contantly

its unreal how the man does it

[vocal surge]

Usually hitting 200k dps means low CC time w. Breakable CCs but enemy team stacked or pet cleave

[tribal badger]

of course outlaw can burst but im talking about the actual numbers of its burst

[vocal surge]

In 1v1 or 2v2, it means lucking out or top tier rng

[tribal badger]

ur maximum burst is going to be critting every attack for 8 BtEs in a row (this is like 0.1% rng chance) on a target

those btes will hit for maybe 170k each with their dispatch factored in

thats highballing

thats like vs a mage

but that would be a lil over 200k dps yea

[sick wasp]

raz has vods tbh,can check his dmg and how it comes out

the man is an actual machine

[tribal badger]

again im talking ST burst

people dont realize how often they r cleaving something with law

[sick wasp]

outside the theorycrafting about probable lows and ups man

[tribal badger]

cause BF 8 yard range and its always uo

[sick wasp]

we all know whereoutlaw stands

[tribal badger]

but 200k on 2 targets with a good crackshot window is definitly reasonable even without 0.1% variance rng (7 bte resets)

[sick wasp]

7 resets are kinda wild in pvp btw

[tribal badger]

yes its absurd

[sick wasp]

most likely something dies

[tribal badger]

its the only time outlaw feels like a real burst spec

whats funny is ur still not out bursting actual burst specs

but it will catch people by surprise

[sick wasp]

if u get like 3-4 u should be super happy

[tribal badger]

(cause outlaw doesnt usually burst that hard)

[sick wasp]

yeah,its not a burst profile

it has insane capacity to swap targets constantly

[hidden dome]

Being able to swap off of a pain sub or full dotted resto feels great

it is one of the things that makes outlaw really fun

[tribal badger]

bit worried about outlaws scaling into next season ngl

its stats have all hit the dumpster

[hidden dome]

Yep

[sick wasp]

its sub all the way baby

[tribal badger]

in pve its gunna be taking vers past the third DR

[hidden dome]

first the evasion nerf and now this

[tribal badger]

in pve at least it can go some haste in ST cause u take SS talent

so that helps it a little

but its still not looking great

in pvp its just

[hidden dome]

No new elite set for my rogue = no reason to play him

[sick wasp]

i think im gonna try shotgun sin for the lols

[hidden dome]

simple as

[sick wasp]

in shuffles

next season

full mas/vers

[hidden dome]

I will get a few of the cool elite sets I'm missing

[vocal surge]

Think 3 rogue gonna be viable at the start of the season?

like it was this season

[hidden dome]

And 2.1 with a meta spec in 2s

I hope not, I rarely play heal in 3s, but when I do, I always queue into shit like that

[sick wasp]

ill play wahtever the meta specc is

i want the mount

period

im in love

[hidden dome]

The mount is cool

I hope the counter this season and add CRAZY inflation

[tribal badger]

oh wait true theres not even a new mog next season

pandaria/cata classic PoV

[vocal surge]

It was honestly fun this season

[sick wasp]

yup its gonna get inflated this eason for sure