pvp

[gleaming pawn]

just chug energy drinks

the faster your hands are twitching and shaking the faster you can push buttons and hear colors

[jolly sierra]

dont hear him

lol

[proven sapphire]

So does sub always 0-6 in a pve lobby

ret mm etc

just feel like every dps goes my off dps and outdmgs

every single rogue spec just feels so bad

[fallen scaffold]

yoo hold up, am i supposed to be usin deadly poison as sin. no right

[safe pelican]

Was tired lol about to run some games before work and no reason I’m particular

I’m going to switch them and see what’s better like Seijuro said ima sub main so i just got my feet playing how i know to which is kill during the CC window

[proven sapphire]

Theres gotta be a better build for sub

holy shit man

[safe pelican]

What are you running

[proven sapphire]

the usual sepsis trash

2300mmr

trying to get my 2400

but i do zero dmg

[safe pelican]

Lmaooooo bro why sepsis

It’s so bad

[proven sapphire]

hook me up

plz

[safe pelican]

1 sec

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/uzuvi

My main can check out my talents running the cooldown reset vanish build, just gouge into kidney the healer every time it’s up and send a full cheap shot rotation on kill target when it’s up ideally you force trinket on the healer however you need to blind , or gouge into kidney and open then send full kidney when they have no trinket go full cheap rotation with shadow blades on the kill target CB , Tech, Maws etc etc you know the regular dmg rot

Your higher rating than me lol but I know sepsis ain’t it

[proven sapphire]

word

ok

no flag or sepsis

interesting

[safe pelican]

Straight dmg though so when you send it is all gas i run double rouge in 2s for context , can run flag if you was more uptime in shuffle though

I am trash at assassination lmaooo like 1500 CR bad , i gotta get better sustained damage

[clever elk]

guys look what i found 🙂 so i have 2 weeks of bis pvp eq

[pine badge]

have just started assa. very fun. can i confirm that this is an appropriate rotation please?

cheap > garrotte > rupture > shiv > envenom > kidney > shadow dance (incl. deathmark, thistle tea, trinket) > kingsbane > mutilate > bleeds

also, is there any way to better stagger my use of DCDs? finding it difficult coming from sub to only one vanish charge and one shadow dance charge

[wanton breach]

shadowstep and kiting

[pine badge]

thanks mate. what is the best way to kite as a rogue? is it via crippling poison?

and i assume attacking from furthest melee point available

[wintry dew]

If you envenom, there will not be CPs for kidney

Also, I might be mistaken but throwing a kidney on DR doesn't sound good

[pine badge]

thank you for the reminder - i had combined the pressure rot with the burst, it seems

[wintry dew]

In theory you want to kidney once they are off stun DRs

[pine badge]

noted

so in general, a cheap > garrotte > rupture > shiv > envenom > mutilate (with bleed talent) will suffice for general damage dealing?

[wintry dew]

I'd say yes but I'm washed up, I'd like to summon panda again

Let me do this correctly

https://tenor.com/view/sasuke-naruto-og-naruto-jutsu-hand-signs-hand-signs-gif-25020544

https://tenor.com/view/summon-gif-19684018

[pine badge]

brilliant gif

s

gifs

[wintry dew]

@jolly sierra #pvp message

[wanton breach]

shiv will build a maximum of 2 CP in case you crit, no point in using that low of an envenom

[pine badge]

ah, ok. perhaps swap the mutilate with the envenom to generate more CPs

[wintry dew]

Don't trust this pink name, ... He "only mogs"

Imma see myself out

https://tenor.com/view/veeunus-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-done-gif-24674884

[pine badge]

again, nice gif

squid to bring the point home

ok, noted. thanks for the tips lads

[wintry dew]

[pine badge]

kiting is as above right? shadowstep to avoid damage, and using crippling to damage from afar

[wintry dew]

Yeah pretty much

Poison knife applies crippling

[pine badge]

should i be using crippling on main dagger anyway?

crippling and wound i’ve heard is a good combo

[wintry dew]

Doesn't work like that anymore

You just apply 2 (or 4 depending on talents) buffs

ISnt MH/OH based anymore

[pine badge]

sorry, what i meant to say was shouldn’t i have crippling on anyway, as opposed to applying it with poison knife?

[wintry dew]

Crippling wound is good, if you have a warrior (or any class that has healing reduction skills) you can go deadly

[pine badge]

or would it be smarter to use poison knife for crippling and have two other poisons applied for variety

i see

[pine badge]

talents allow 4 poisons to be applied at once?

that sounds dope in theory, i’d love to try that out

[wintry dew]

Yeah dragon tempered blades

[surreal barn]

I still can’t believe we aren’t getting the s1 set bonus lol

That shit would have been bonkers

[pine badge]

what for mate?

[wintry dew]

S1 tier set

[pine badge]

oh

[wintry dew]

We getting S3 again

In S4

[pine badge]

:^(

[surreal barn]

lolol

[pine badge]

it seems like not much is changing for pvp

i would not mind minimal change for the class

[surreal barn]

But that’s the spice of life

[pine badge]

you’re correct

won’t lie, wouldn’t mind if sub was granted more consistent dmg. i love the burst but damn once you’re done with it you gotta run

a very fun spec to play during bg’s. i feel like assa is much better for arenas (or so i’ve seen) and outlaw for pve

[sick wasp]

yeah thats sub pretty much

Its the BiS profile for the content,have a go,turtle,re-go etc

massive potential

dont need to make sub sin

just specc sin

[surreal barn]

Bring vendetta back

[jolly sierra]

dont get his goal w that

[unkempt dew]

i havent pvped since shadowlands season 1, does upgrading the pvp gear make a difference on pvp ilvl? cus it says "increases item level to a minimum of x" in the tooltip

[wintry dew]

No

[jolly sierra]

can you tell me the purpouse for this?

[wintry dew]

It's baseline now

[safe pelican]

Only been playing assass for 4 days but pretty sure you wanna open with full kidney right ? Or cheap the off target

And I threw away mutilate like you said as well Fan is better and way less energy

( Nvm I see you said cheap if melee and garrote silence if magic then stun ) gunna focus on that rotation you sent the other day next time i get on

[jolly sierra]

depends, if is a melee without magic u can open w cheap

to avoid being instastunned

ah gotcha lol

[tawny kestrel]

you open by garroting everyone you want to kill

if theres some aids melee that will stop your garrotes then yeah start with cheap shot on it

[jolly sierra]

always happens when the assa does start garroting and the smashing warr w lightning reflexes storm bolt u in mid of doing it lol

[lone goblet]

I have a /target rogue /cast stormbolt macro on my warrior specifically for this.

[waxen meteor]

Yeah that's really dumb

I think voting here is just an act of designer trying to avoid responsibility of something

if you can't make up your mind, or dare not to make a call

just leave options to players to choose in game

[hidden dome]

I'm back to PvP after taking a break for a month

and man, PVP sucks hard

I understand all competent people are working at war within

[jolly sierra]

the poll was able to be voted multiple times in different specs, so ppl also arranged a little doing that in the day

and seems like pve andies avoided the best set bonus overall

so

THE POLL IS FLAWED

[hidden dome]

But I pity the people who are still trying to push

I think we are in the most unbalanced PvP season since at least MoP

Which is no wonder with the 3 actual pvp patches we had this season

[jolly sierra]

this season i felt was deflated af

mglads everywhere in low rating, lack of tuning and a rushed finish time

[hidden dome]

To be honest, I bet 90% of glads you see are boosting right now

Classic end of season

[jolly sierra]

they were in SS

[hidden dome]

Oh

Then that is bad news

[jolly sierra]

with green armored ferret mounts

idk

some of them in black and a lot with hungry black shadowlands dragons

at like 1k9+

[pale storm]

yeah but they can also be on alts, can still ride glad mounts on any alts etc

[hidden dome]

Ye, but you still shouldn't see them below 2k

Unless matchmaking sucks

[pale storm]

definitely do hope they inflate next season tho, this season has been pretty miserable

[hidden dome]

Next season is worthless as I already have most elite sets

And the ones I don't, like hunter season 1, look horrible

[jolly sierra]

ofc u can see them

but is way too much coincidence if they are a lot

[pale storm]

next season glad mount is one of the best ever imo

[jolly sierra]

ive seen drustvar stats and some specs doesnt pass 3 digits as 2k4+

a recolor from s1?

[hidden dome]

To be fair, some specs are just horrible in shuffle

but yeah, balance is extremly bad right now

[jolly sierra]

i chastised a frost dk flaming me w my alt lock

said something to me so i told him "imagine playing frost"

when fucking unholy exists

[hidden dome]

yep

[jolly sierra]

my lock is in very low rating, like 1k5 so is normal to see bad and toxic ppl

[hidden dome]

To be fair, you should be able to get 1.8 no problem with every spec. Shuffe or otherwise. If a certain spec like frost falls off compared to other specs, then it is blizzard's incompetence.

But if you play frost over unholy you are griefing yourself so hard

[jolly sierra]

i heard they stopped artificially inflating rating w time so that was a problem too

yeah, no heal absorbing and just doing me smash in very predictable windows

frost sucks cock rn, even confirmed for one of our guys who mains dk here

[pale storm]

they made a blue post about it, inflated for like 1 week, then it literally stopped the next week and no further communications lol

[surreal barn]

It does look nice… I wish I had friends

LFG is daunting

[wintry dew]

AcTuAlLy no

[nova viper]

sexo

[wintry dew]

S3 is by far the best PvE tier set and overall most fun

[jolly sierra]

aCtuAllY

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[jolly sierra]

can accept everything but the s2 one

[jolly sierra]

bruh

[lavish idol]

I was at 1780, pushing for the rival title I'm perfectly happy finishing with for S3. Two days later and absolutely fucked it down to 1600. I swear, the games are harder here

Can we get the rival mog in S4, it's the same right?

[jolly sierra]

ye

sadly

they choose the crappiest appearance xd

[lone goblet]

Not sure yet. I would guess we're getting the S2 mog again since that won the vote.

[jolly sierra]

it is

🤮

dont get why tf they didnt chose s2 one, is by far the best looking in this xp

[pale storm]

I voted s2. It’ll be different colors though, right? RIGHT?

[lavish idol]

Lucky for me then as I think I'll struggle to get rival this season as i have a holiday

IS it a recolour?

[jolly sierra]

nuh uh

same

it seems

[gleaming pawn]

there's been talks that the pve set is the only one that was possibly going to be different. Even for classes that are getting other seasons, their pvp set still says that the current s3 set is now labled as s3 and s4 pvp set

I haven't bothered to look into it on the ptr because I just don't care about the other classes, but it would be on brand for Blizzard doing their best to pretend pvp doesn't exist

[jolly sierra]

when andies loves to see people fighting each other in AWC

but hates when see a pvp player on their LFR instances+

[waxen meteor]

I hope there will be main tuning or rework

Or s4 would be boring

[nova viper]

This is good looking set

Imo

But i dont vote

[jolly sierra]

the main problem for me is than to be a full set, the helm color in some of them doesnt matches with the rest of armor

look at red one

[hidden dome]

holy shit I hate locks so much this season

You should be able to ban 3 specs in 2s and never face them.

druid, lock, hunter. If you ban those 3 2s become instantly 1000% more enjoyable for every player.

[jolly sierra]

i hate aff locks personally

just scratches their balls while does all the damage

[surreal barn]

I’m fine with em. A well played demo is scary tho

They can absolutely wreck your ass

[hidden dome]

Demo is my single most hated DPS

to play against

They have a button for everything and then some

They are the restro druid of the DPS

If you manage to be worse than Survival Hunter in 2s, then you must be doing some wicked stuff

And demo does just that.

[carmine marsh]

Question for arena 3v3 chads, in between our offensive cds what are you guys doing? Bleeding everything? Stunning the Off target dps to peel damage? Going for restealths?

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[hidden dome]

lol

[broken hinge]

Just for assa?

So toxic

[hidden dome]

nah all specs

[broken hinge]

Oof rip

[jolly sierra]

all

[fading blade]

when it doubt, nerf rogues

[jolly sierra]

always is the right choice

but now the real question

PRECOG REMOVAL WHEN?

[hidden dome]

I am willing to bet

that PvP would be more enjoyable

if a fucking chat bot was doing the balancing

[nova viper]

PVP is fine

[hidden dome]

It really isn't

[nova viper]

Lock is balanced

DH is balanced

[hidden dome]

It is the worst season I've ever played

Hehe

[nova viper]

Who Play other class

[hidden dome]

and I played 11 out of 13 classes to 1.8 this season

what a brilliant season

[jolly sierra]

i rlly love the part where u successfully interrupt the caster

then ur partner do the same at same time -----> precog triggers

[fading blade]

Rogue will be decent still, but you can expect to see way less of them now compared to any melee class

[hidden dome]

Eh, you can reach 1.8 with every class and spec anyway

[fading blade]

Oh easily

[nova viper]

Be rogue in "high" mmr is kinda hard comp to any other melee i guess

[hidden dome]

You will see a lot less glad rogues

I wish they, for once, would nerf the actually overplayed classes

like DH or Huntards

Or fucking Disc Priest in 2s

[fading blade]

Yeah im just thinking about the 3s ladder and maybe high SS mmr where you’ll face only war/ret in s4

[hidden dome]

Most overplayed healer ever

[nova viper]

Good i want Play mage/war next season

[jolly sierra]

maining rogue is already hard even in low rated brackets at least in SS

just watch how ppl messes DRs at 1k4

XD

[nova viper]

Zug zug i leap i die

[jolly sierra]

me warrior me smash why puny rogue doesnt dies

[nova viper]

[jolly sierra]

me go to pillar me die

[fading blade]

Rogue new kill target

[nova viper]

If u harder smash keyboard u do more dmg

Trust me

[jolly sierra]

always

add you shouting like anime MC in the burst

[fading blade]

Hope they change Blur to a higher CD

[nova viper]

I go to work good night boyz

[jolly sierra]

or nerf it to doesnt work in back anymore

[pale storm]

isn't it just removing the dodge portion of cloak?

[jolly sierra]

cya polish soldier hope u have a good shift

[pale storm]

if talented

[jolly sierra]

yep

[pale storm]

still get the BOP

[jolly sierra]

yep, its ok for mirror matches as assa or feral dots

or even for the warrior

[fading blade]

I mean we have so many useless talents I’d prob still bring it regardless

Depending on comp

[hidden dome]

I wouldn't mind the change and maybe even like it. If we got some other nerfs aswell

For other classes

[fading blade]

Yeah I agree

[jolly sierra]

tbh would use hemotoxin instead cloak from now if the melee doesnt do any relevant debuff anymore

[hidden dome]

But just nerfing rogue just screams "I'm a blizz dev and can't make it past 1.2k rating"

[fading blade]

I think it’s clear there aren’t any true pvp devs anymore

[jolly sierra]

who is the one who succedded holinka now?

[fading blade]

Sure the man hours are going into TWW, but it’s pretty crazy to be that disconnected from the current state of the game

[hidden dome]

my hot take is, that the vicious mount change from 1.4 to 1.0 was made

because blizz devs couldn't clear the 1.4

[fading blade]

I mean I know Realz is very active in our discord, I just hope he has a better view of rogue than what I currently see

[jolly sierra]

last time we talked about him was a disaster

the cops even come here and stayed a very good amount of hours checking the thread

even got one of us banned

[fading blade]

lol why did yall disrespect him or some sort? Theres always room for constructive criticism and ideas, but not when it’s a personal targeted attack

[wintry dew]

👀

[jolly sierra]

nobody disrepected him rn

was because a guy here who comes very often

started saying personal shit about the server

to continue the flaming

so then everyone comes here and kept the thread very active for some hours

but yeah, all started w realz almost never coming here and taking more attention to pve players

so i rather prefer to not talk about him unless is needed, try the same too

[hidden dome]

To be honest, I'm sure it is not actually the devs fault

rather it is the horrible structure and dev process of blizard itself

Have you read the leak saying an Overwatch 2 PvE mode would've requried a 400 dev team?

That says it all

[jolly sierra]

for me at least rogue is fine in s3

the true issue tho is the lack of tuning

and lack of artificial inflation alongside hard capped MMR

[gleaming pawn]

Realz has nothing to do with pvp balance, he is one of many people that work on the overall class design for several classes not just Rogues

just because he comes here (among other discords) looking for feedback, does not mean people should be assigning anything to him what so ever

[jolly sierra]

he worked for DH rework too

and yeah, he was overflooded with suggestions from regular threads here

[fading blade]

Realz is part of the rogue team and most likely does have a chair at the pvp table regarding which skills he needs to alter. With that being said, I’m sure blizzard relocated most resources to TWW and other side wow missions.

[hidden dome]

To be honest, I feel like every single rogue spec and DHs especially are problematic in their current design

From a PvP perspective

[gleaming pawn]

he has already stated he has no say in anything pvp, several times

[jolly sierra]

he was a top pvp player back in the day

[gleaming pawn]

not pvp talent design, not number balancing, nothing

[fading blade]

Ah I never knew that

[hidden dome]

I am not talking about PvP talents or balancing

[fading blade]

Ah so we’re fucked is what I see

[jolly sierra]

but anyways

[hidden dome]

Rather actual spec design

[jolly sierra]

we are fully aware

pve players and most devs hate us

[hidden dome]

Outlaw is horrible design for PvP. Regardless if he is busted or not balance wise

[jolly sierra]

as pvp players

[hidden dome]

It is the core design of your burst being giga variance that makes it shitty

that is not a tuning issue

If I get back to back between the eyes I can delete someone from full HP to 0 in a kindey

if I get 0 procs I do 30% of their HP

that is just RNG

And that is the fault of whoever designed the talent trees

[fading blade]

S4 is just gonna be a reroll season anyway, why play rogue when dh/ret/war gonna exist

[hidden dome]

Yep. And Outlaw can also do that over half the map away

brilliant design

I love this spec, but man did they overbuff it

[fading blade]

Outlaw fucks

[hidden dome]

But yeah, I will just get the few elite sets I'm missing from S4

[fading blade]

I’m back to trying sin since the first week of season, I’d rather outlaw anyday, especially now that we are LOSING our cloak

[hidden dome]

and then play the pandaria thing once it comes out

[jolly sierra]

hope they recolor CMs too

[hidden dome]

Nah

if they would, we would've datamined it by now

I am 90%+ certain that we get exactly the same sets

I'm certain to such a degree that I stopped grinding my DK to 1.8. As I can just get a second 1.6 next season to finish the elite set

[hidden dome]

Wait, you meant Challenge Modes not Elite sets

I'm stupid

[waxen meteor]

did a bunch of wins then disconnected

-150 nice

guess it's fine since it normally doesn't affect mmr

just need one more lobby to catch up

[jolly sierra]

im dropping demo as lock

[jolly sierra]

yeah challenge mode

XDDD

[jolly sierra]

going aff, true to my assa rog nature

[pine badge]

i have no idea what the purpose is

no clue how to play assa, it just looks fun. i thought that was the rot

[jolly sierra]

hm?

[pine badge]

i am still unclear as to the assa pvp rotation. above is what i thought it was

[jolly sierra]

you need rupture and garrote up

snd up

cast crimson tempest if there are 3+ targets nearly

[pine badge]

i am still unclear as to the assa pvp rotation. above is what i thought it was

[jolly sierra]

burst with both KB and deathmark in separated window

[pine badge]

oh!

[jolly sierra]

poison knife is to kite or close distance

[pine badge]

oh! wow i have been doing it wrong

[jolly sierra]

use more fan of knives than mutilate if you are playing with AOE build

as your main combo point generatos

[pine badge]

i probably need more work. unsure if using AOE build, have stolen talents from murlok io. do you typically choose your own?

[jolly sierra]

some stuff

but mostly from murlok

[jolly sierra]

ive seen something

im bad af as caster

got 2 zugs match in a row and got assblasted

at 1k7 mmr

[gleaming pawn]

just do better 🙂

[jolly sierra]

nah

i give up

fuck locks

im not made for this shit in end season

im a bad caster player and i dont care

im logging as warr

[gleaming pawn]

Did you try destro or demo? Aff would require a bit more practice and class knowledge to pull off I would guess

[jolly sierra]

went in demo

and got fucked too

destro too

im not made for warlocks

that is all

could dare in say im worse in destro

[umbral crest]

My experience as demo so far (two days) is I just stand in the middle spamming spells and people rarely target me, only at 1,7 yet though

[jolly sierra]

i got permatrained at 1k5 w demo

when i tried to do something i just got both interrupted at second or killed

cuz im too far away from teleport

[umbral crest]

Might just have been lobby rng for one of us then, so far warriors are the only ones trying to stick to me, I just port behind a pillar and let my pets go at them if they try, usually they won't follow

Only played a few lobbies so far though, rating comes and goes quickly in shuffle

[lone goblet]

I've been playing the SBS build in shuffle and kind of like it.

Bonespike does way more damage than I thought it would.

[jolly sierra]

bonespike was the build we were using for early season

some of us dropped for IC because shadenox build

[jolly sierra]

going w my warr and a guy who forgets to use dome

he leaves

[waxen meteor]

i think bone build dmg is a bit too low now

no pressure on other side -> worse survival too

i did too many rdruid games this week

simply because of queue time

[jolly sierra]

yep

agree

the pressure is inhuman w IC

[last jasper]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/pvp/dragonflight-season-4-rewards

They don’t even bother to recolor them?

[solar bronze]

That’s so funny. I was in a 2v2 match with him and he said “let me solo both, you get a free win” I’m like bet. Goes in and dies LEGIT BRO! 👊🏻

[wintry dew]

Isn't xaryu US?

[last jasper]

He is

[gleaming pawn]

Is Xaryu even playing retail? He quit to be a cringe classic Andy around season 1

[last jasper]

His viewers preferred classic more. Plus mages were shit basically whole season

Can’t blame him

Running around valdraken and waiting for q to pop

[wanton breach]

holy crap that is abysmal

[pale storm]

Scroll down

[last jasper]

basic mog from vendor

[pale storm]

It’s recolor, just look trash

[last jasper]

its a glad and elite mog. same as its now

[pastel burrow]

Huh, the S3 appearance beat the S2 one?

That's wild

[last jasper]

"df season 3 and 4"

Jesus christ

[pale storm]

Oh wow, my b, rip

[last jasper]

For the very least, they could’ve swapped elite with mythic for this season

[wanton breach]

"how about we just add 'and 4' into the appearance collection?"
thunderous applause

[surreal barn]

they should make it the same for war within

That way they don’t have to work so hard

[surreal barn]

Have you seen this on Tauren it is hilarious

Most things are, but this especially

[last jasper]

So they can focus more on the expansion. Right?

[fading blade]

Surely they are doing that

[surreal barn]

I think they should remove cloak of shadows completely too since they are giving it a nerf

And sprint as well

Evasion needs to be a 5 min cd and 50% effective in pvp, rogues love rng.

[gleaming pawn]

In all seriousness, they need to just delete wow pvp from the main game. And build it up from the ground up as a separate game mode

No addons, fewer abilities, better balancing, and class identity

Also just have stat templates and no gearing to be done. You just queue up and do your activity

Sadly it’ll never happen, and would not solve the healer problem directly, but the current model is unsustainable and will lead to the death of wow pvp eventually

[jolly sierra]

that is just a dev fault

they refuses to acknowledge the real issues so will just do stuff as they likes

like with inflation which worked well and then stopped doing that or when ppl told them to stop hard capping MMR but just left it as that

[fading blade]

the wow team too busy on TWW and other versions of wow

anything to ignore the current state

buff dh

[jolly sierra]

buff dh

nerf rogue

alright after the tilting and s4 xmog can say something safely

nothing lol, we dont get elite tokens it seems F

gotta push to 1k8 xddd

[fading blade]

1800 is easy

Idk if my mmr is fked but at 2.1 I just play multi glads/r1, where inflation

[jolly sierra]

yeah but im bad af w warlock and decently bad as warr

so for me is a challenge

XD

[jolly sierra]

ive played w them at like 1k9 w the rog

fuuuck

[steel scarab]

My toxic trait is getting bored in the Solo Shuffle queue, changing all my Assassination PVP talents around to some cursed build that makes absolutely no sense, then going 2-4 because I thought doing something insane like dropping Shadow Dance for Deeper Strategem might be fun to try

[jolly sierra]

bruh

a

[astral snow]

I’m struggling to pump out damage as Outlaw. I’m wondering if I’m missing a sequencing or something to get my dps up.

[harsh kiln]

what in particular are you struggling with?

let me rephrase, how are you doing damage at the moment? and why do you think you struggle with it?

[inner tartan]

and whats ur comp or is it solo shuffles

[stoic spruce]

Vanish cringe < CC cringe

[astral snow]

I struggle in general whether it’s SS, 2’s or 3’s. Play 2’s with a Holy Priest and 3’s with Frost Mage and Holy Priest/Pres Voker. It seems all my damage is just lower than other Outlaw. Details shows I’m in line with other outlaws but they do much more damage than me. If I were struggling in one aspect more than other outlaws, is my Between the Eyes is low.

[harsh kiln]

are you using it only during subterfuge and/or shadow dance?

[astral snow]

Yes

But I feel like I don’t optimize it how it should be? Like as far as having available combo points right at the start of subterfuge.

[harsh kiln]

well you've identified that by yourself already so that's a place where you can start improving right away

tbh, other than that there's not alot more optimizing you can do, try not to do "ghost damage", as in if an opponent is using a defensive, there's really no point in pumping your damage into that if there's another opponent without a defensive up, unless you absolutely have to.

spending combopoints into a defensive vs spending damage into a player without a defensive makes a big difference in the long run

[lone goblet]

There is a weak aura that pops up a message in the middle of the screen if your target currently has a defensive up. Really helpful.

So many of them don't have good visuals. No way to know unless you are looking for icons or have some kind of addon

[astral snow]

Another thing I struggle with is Between the Eyes vs Cheap Shot in subterfuge. Is it better to always have a cheap shot up or to try and spend combo points with Between the Eyes and other spells?

Because maybe that’s where my damage loss is also? I try to keep my target on Cheap Shot stun the whole time and takes away 2-3 globals

[gleaming pawn]

Unless it’s a healer and you know that sending the second or even third Cheap is going to secure a kill, you’re much better off trying to BtE

I don’t often send a second cheap into a dps unless again I know it’s going to secure the kill. You lose potentially way too much damage not sending the BtE especially when they are routinely crit for 100k-120k

Also also, you have to be careful depending on the lobby but you can and should be using Vanish for damage windows as well. Saving it for defensive plays can really hurt your output given how quickly you get it back

*I mean saving it for defensive plays when you don’t need to

[astral snow]

Okay. So send one cheap shot. Got it. And as far as Vanish goes, I do use it offensively at times but you mainly want to use Shadow Dance over Vanish if both are available correct?

[broken portal]

I know for PvE, Vanishing first allows your BtE during Shadow Dance to help bring back the CD on Vanish faster (which leads to more damage). But not sure if you want o pocket that Vanish in PvP.

[tribal badger]

vanish has a much lower cd

generally u vanish first unless u think u might need it defensivly in the near future

[astral snow]

You mean SD?

[pine badge]

what weak aura is this?

[tribal badger]

no

[astral snow]

SD is 1 min and Vanish is 2 min

[tribal badger]

vanish gets cdr from finishers its effective CD is 20-30s depending on ur uptime

[astral snow]

Ah. I guess I did not know that

So save SD for burst windows? And Vanish for both Offense and Defense

[tribal badger]

generally as outlaw you dont want to be sitting on things

but if you know a partners burst window is coming up soon you can hold dance i supposer

[broken portal]

even Evasion gets cooldown reduction if talented into

[tribal badger]

holding cds leads to lower uptime on AR

which is rather important for ur damage

[astral snow]

So use SD on CD?

Because I do not do that

I hold

[tribal badger]

in pvp i generally use vanish and dance as close to on cd as i can while lining them up with stun DRs

or w/e cc setups i do on healer

also generally when doing ur crackshots you should remember that unless you have broadside RtB you want to be spamming ambush because its a stronger builder then PS even when procced

also it lets you leave melee range for gouges/getting kited during those windows and continue to crackshot (if you BtE from range during stealth the dispatch will also hit from range)

[astral snow]

Okay that all makes sense. I hold SD probably too long then. So that could be part of the reason I have low damage.

I also always try to spend points in dispatch and build with ambush. I do spam the hell out of PS though. So I need to work on that as well.

[tribal badger]

well you only ever cast dispatch outside stealths

and using PS procs outside stealth is fine because it procs ambush

but during vanish/dance/stealth you want to be spamming ambush because its always available and a better builder then PS

[astral snow]

Got it! That could be a big part of why all my damage is low.

I feel like I do most of the stuff correctly but my damage isn’t there so obviously I’m doing something incorrectly

[proven sapphire]

Hey real quick

Whats the assa opener kill rotation

with all cds

Theres nothing stickied

and do I need shadow dance to deathmark kingsbane

[jolly sierra]

is that?

[proven sapphire]

Like burst with cds

[jolly sierra]

depends if you are using FoK or SBS

SBS one is

garrote > rupture > mutilate till 4-5 CP > kidney or shiv if is in 4 then kidney > shadow dance + agi trinket + kingsbane > garrote > SBS > envenom

that with magic melees and caster

[proven sapphire]

sbs = deathmark?

[jolly sierra]

if regular melee
cheap shot > garrote > rupture > shiv > shadow dance + agi trinket + kingsbane > SBS > envenom

serrated bone spike

[proven sapphire]

gotcha

nah im not using bones

its the solo build

i play sub to 2400mmr

but learning assa

for context

[jolly sierra]

if is with indiscriminate carnage

caster or magic melee
garrote > fan of knives > rupture > fan of knives till 5 CP > kidney > shiv > shadow dance + agi trinket + kingsbane > garrote > spam fan of knives > crimson tempest

regular melee
cheap shot > garrote > rupture > fan of knives till 5 CP > kidney > shiv > shadow dance + agi trinket + kingsbane > garrote > spam fan of knives > crimson tempest

[proven sapphire]

yes

[jolly sierra]

i got 2k1 from 1k7 in like 1 day by removing mutilate from my main spender key

and putting FoK instead

ended moving mutilate to a least used bind

[proven sapphire]

and FoK is

[jolly sierra]

Fan** o**f Knives

in shuffle doesnt matter too much if all persons is stacked because maybe even ur partner will break blind

if all ppl is stacked

so using fok then crimson tempest is very annoying for damage

ended leaving mutilate for break totems

[proven sapphire]

ok

fok and ct

are better than mutilate

awesome

[jolly sierra]

believe me

with this deflated season

worked like a charm

im a little crazy so even used echoing reprimand

for crimson tempest at 7 CP

[proven sapphire]

no 7 cp in this build unfortunately

but its cooking

4 wins so far

[jolly sierra]

nice

glad is working for you

i can share with you a 5-1 at 2k i got before 2k1

if you wanna to ofc

[proven sapphire]

yeah ill take that

ty

Thats how I learnt to play sub

how important is the order of deathmark kingsbane

\

[jolly sierra]

you can use both by separate

the pressure is still present

because it will force trinkets anyways

sec im configuring the video

[proven sapphire]

just wondering if there was a certain order

like i lose dmg if I deathmark first

then kingsbane

etc

[jolly sierra]

dont care about dmg

assa is more sustained

than burst

the biggest damage source

is garrote

[proven sapphire]

gotcha

[broken portal]

in PvE, its DM before KB because DM is 16 seconds and KB is 14 seconds. But yeah, keeping them separate in PvP isn't a bad idea

if you know no one has anything up that can wipe out your poisons/bleeds, then you could probably use both

[gleaming pawn]

DM pretty close to the opener is generally a good way to get a trinket/CD because people think it's still a big CD

[jolly sierra]

DM is still good in late fight

for pressure

[gleaming pawn]

yep, but gotta use it early for it to be there late

*in SS

[surreal barn]

I like to hold DM

If possible. Sometimes you can’t cause you have a partner that doesn’t pump

[jolly sierra]

well

but can we agree

in pvp its totally ok to use them separately?

[surreal barn]

Certainly

[gleaming pawn]

for sure

[jolly sierra]

prepare yourself, its uploading

[waxen meteor]

God 45mins queue

dead game

[proven sapphire]

you have the ui of nightmares

[jolly sierra]

i know

but me win

[proven sapphire]

true

[jolly sierra]

i am my scars

[proven sapphire]

Alright time for sub rogue advice

those who are 2200-2400 sub

how do you send a go when u get spammed micro and disarmed every dance window

Once a lobby figures out that ccing me is a win, I lose

[nova viper]

True

PVP is super dead

1000 people play this

[jolly sierra]

wow is dead since like 15 years

[steel scarab]

@jolly sierra how can you even play with a UI like that, holy shit

The characters are just floating tooltips lmao

It's like playing WoW: Dwarf Fortress edition

[jolly sierra]

i am my scars

[sharp sierra]

@jolly sierra holy that’s a wild ui

[jolly sierra]

i know

[pine badge]

what is the add on you use to show debuffs and DRS under nameplate? etc etc

[safe pelican]

I hate that addon , is that a Weak Aura that just jumps out at you to let you know when the rogue pops shadow dance , I’ve played a few people with that in shuffle lobbies on my sub main and they just do it right when i pop dance.

I was getting my ass whooooooped cause i kept getting disarmed soon as i popped dance lmao I’ll never forget that fight i was mad asab ,

Shuriken storm into a full kidney on the dude the warrior that kept doing that shit , then i would pop dance cheap the healer send a go on the kill, drop duel or smoke , then send the blind after to try to kill if no kill disarm war and rinse and repeat until kidney and dance are off CD and go again

I’m not 2200 but hey nobody else answered 😂🤞🏾 i know exactly what you mean though and that is the worst gotta give em a taste of his own medicine only way

[safe pelican]

Dm me some Assass solo shuffle lobbies when you get a chance today ran last night i just have to play the spec and get better

Im noticing that garroting and rupturing everyone then kidney the healer and send my dance cheap both or tab target / or just the kill then send CB , KB & I see what you mean now by deathmark needs to be sent in a separate kill window that’s the craziest thing to me cause i feel like that should 1 shot

[tawny kestrel]

a bleed that makes your other bleeds tick more should one shot?

deathmark is garbage

[surreal barn]

has assa war within hero talents been released

[tribal badger]

no

[safe pelican]

Im saying stacking bleeds with deathmark> CB > KB doesn’t hit like CB > Tech > Goremaws, that’s why i see why it’s better to use them in separate kill windows

Bottom line : Sub is king 👑🥱 everyone gets a cheap shot 😂

https://tenor.com/view/willj-oprah-oprah-winfrey-winfrey-you-get-a-car-gif-5778731

[tawny kestrel]

sub also doesn’t do 70k+ consistent dps

sub is prob the worst of the 3 specs atm

[safe pelican]

Sounds opinionated to me I like sub and I’m better with it since i main sub assass is cool but only been playing it since Sunday so gotta get used to it

But I do like the constant dps

[tawny kestrel]

it’s not opinionated, it’s based on stats

[safe pelican]

What spec are the top 3 rogues rn ?

[tawny kestrel]

outlaw

[safe pelican]

🤣🤣🤣

[tawny kestrel]

?

[safe pelican]

Im hot dog water at outlaw can’t get with it too many buttons and buffs to track

[tawny kestrel]

doesn’t mean it isn’t the best

[safe pelican]

🚮

[tawny kestrel]

u do u buddy

[safe pelican]

U rolling outlaw rn ?

[tawny kestrel]

yeah

[safe pelican]

Dm me da sauce or send it here , what’s rot when everything up and in between goes… I main sub but i know outlaw does most dmg rn i tried it before i rolled assass i was just lost playing the crack shot build

[tawny kestrel]

well that’s the build

idk what sauce you want

just copy a high players talents and gear and play

[tribal badger]

outlaws about consistency

u cant really afk between goes like sub because you dont have nearly the burst

ur rotation feeds into you getting more goes with vanish and AR because of cdr

so you need to be maintaining it even when ur not pressuring

goes arent all that different tho

[safe pelican]

Def wasn’t using my AR like I should’ve been but i like the concept of roll the bones I’m liking the concept of bleeds rn but i might give outlaw another go this weekend

[jolly sierra]

sure

[wanton breach]

#showtooltip Between the eyes
/cancelaura [nostealth] shadowmeld
/use !stealth
/use [nostealth] ghostly strike
/use [stance]between the eyes;[nostance]Dispatch

try this macro for a dumbed down finisher version in place of dispatch - keeping BTE on a separate button is still advisable since you maybe want to use it in some cases outside of dance/subterfuge

[tribal badger]

also keep in mind if ur mashing appropriatly fast that macro can just fail

on both ends of stealth

[jolly sierra]

this guy is trying all 3 specs that is something lol

[wanton breach]

i think it's commendable

[jolly sierra]

this guy is the next avatar

[gleaming pawn]

Next we need to get Panda to play Outlaw. I would say Sub too but that spec shouldn’t exist and I only play Sin and Outlaw myself

[jolly sierra]

i refuse

[gleaming pawn]

But the apm of Outlaw hurts so good!

[jolly sierra]

i hate RNG REEEEEEEE

[surreal barn]

My gaming mouse has been discontinued 😔

Mine still works and I have two broken ones for parts I guess that’s something

[gleaming pawn]

Razer is the only gaming mouse you’ll ever need!

[eager bluff]

if you like it, buy like 10 of them off ebay

to last you for the rest of your life

b4 the prices get worse

[surreal barn]

It’s already pretty shitty. When i can’t get this one to work any longer I’ll just have to make the switch. G600 has a third click for my ring finger and I don’t think any other mice have that

[jolly sierra]

logitech is reilable for budgets

but ofc ppl aspire to get better ones

my g203 is still working well lol

[eager bluff]

they last really long

my razers haev always broken pretty quikcly

and i pamper my mice

[eager bluff]

they're on ebay for about 30-80

snap like 4-5 of them up

should last you for the next 30 years until better mice come out

[jolly sierra]

yeah would investigate a little before upgrading the gear

to avoid it breaking easily

[tribal badger]

yea i stopped using razers

i went thru 4 naga over ~5 years

was almost a mouse a year, one or more of my switches always wore out

i got a corsair schimmy a few years ago and never went back

[eager bluff]

Yeah was usually my right click either letting go before I actually did or double clicking etc

[gleaming pawn]

Eh I’ve had 2 Razer Naga in the last 15 years and only because I gave my first one to my cousin when I quit gaming for a few years.

[sick wasp]

bought naga pro v2

bis mouse

u can order it wired

costs like 25euros more

or a bit less

btw,get ur butts rdy for monks next season

we gonna get railed hard 🤣

[gleaming pawn]

We always get railed by Monks ☹️

[sick wasp]

on shuffles ye

on rated arenas not rly

[gleaming pawn]

If Sub isn’t the strongest Rogue spec, monks are rampant and deadly

[sick wasp]

monks will do stupendous amounts of dmg

[jolly sierra]

thought they already did

glad i track their fucking keefer

so i can just run away

[sick wasp]

they did but only had their rising kicks hit hard

now their fofs as well

[jolly sierra]

fof is hard strong rn

can hit by 100k per tick

also they have triple blackout w tier

[sick wasp]

100k fofs ive never experienced this tier

thats literally 60-70% of your entire pool if channeled

[jolly sierra]

i have a WW

[sick wasp]

me 2

[jolly sierra]

depends if u crit or u dont

[sick wasp]

well hello there

nice to meet you

and 100k's is farfetched

[jolly sierra]

if u full stack mastery w versa and hit in keefer w serenity and trinket u can get that tho

cuz i did

[sick wasp]

and if u stack those then u are like doing negative dmg,also high chance to get traded for cds

and literally do 0 dmg

[tribal badger]

u can feint FoF

thankfully

[sick wasp]

yup

[tribal badger]

the scary part is def the RSK

or stun into a FoF

[sick wasp]

ofc its RSK

that shit breaks jaws,screens and probably your bones

[tribal badger]

tbh most of monks big damage other then RSK is "aoe"

i think people just forget to feint it or something

or die in a stun ig

FoF, WJP, SJK

all aoe

40% dr from feint ez

[sick wasp]

yup

this sounds more of a realistic approach

to my personal experience

rsk literally made me miserable

so much dmg

even if it wasnt me getting trained or anything

others died like sht

vanishing into seconds,no way to react,just dmg happening

[jolly sierra]

once in early season

got hit by 200k dmg

into a RsK by a guy w aspirant gear

[jolly sierra]

the real question is if was possible, not if is viable or it isn't

[sick wasp]

the real question is why would it be a thing when its not realistic.Coz the vast majority of ppl never do it

[jolly sierra]

nope, it wasnt

and ive seen ppl pulling that damage because they doesnt react in time in early seconds

so they dies insta

[sick wasp]

if u wanna meme the chat with funny numbers im ok with that,i sectech'd a bear over BS in arena if that means anything

it doesnt mean anything though

[jolly sierra]

i never was intended to argue, if u wanna to go ahead alone

just told u was possible not it was a good idea or it isnt

[sick wasp]

i wasnt as well,u are just trying to pose something as being a thing when it wasnt.Monks this season are connected to rsk dmg not rsk and fof

[broken portal]

Murloc.io shows Cheat Death is the most popular for SS. Is Elusiveness not that good in PvP?

[sick wasp]

both are good friend,elusiveness is preferred if u are more familiar coz its an active on demand mitigation

[tribal badger]

rogues not generally a main target and people more worried about flopping in a stun

elusiveness can def be played

but in solo shuffle u never know when the enemy team is gunna just swap u for no real reason and ur healer isnt going to respond because its solo shuffle

so cheat can prevent rando deaths for no real reason

(this is sub and outlaw pov of course i think sin can def be trained)

[sick wasp]

all specs can tbh

but ye,its as you say

[tribal badger]

sure id love for melee lobbies to train me as outlaw

we should win every round if that happens

[sick wasp]

😉

[tribal badger]

obviously we wont cause its shuffle so i cant trust my partner to properly perform while im being trained

but outlaw is so tanky when playing defensive

and still does decent dam

[sick wasp]

new frost dk would love anything in range dont worry

yeah pretty much

outlaw is an amazing brawler

and now its very good into casters are well coz it can clock cds faster,close distance with grapple etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbrrTDEN-t4 a small insight into specs for next season,nothing special though

[jolly sierra]

i always use feint w elusiveness even when shitty healers told me to switch because they forgets to use dome

tbh i rather prefer to mitigate big amounts of dmg while kiting to play safer instead just fully run, possible avoid dying to die shorly after

the uptime of feint in CD/duration is huge af

tbh now im seeing the vid

im happy for keeping using 2set, because that means i can get more mastery as before

but i still miss s1 one F

[jolly sierra]

fuck just recalled this after watching skill capped in youtube, sec

[jolly sierra]

this is funny to watch

[sick wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzXVW6uGtmY this is even funnier,that monk is MAD 🤣

[waxen meteor]

all goofy people started to qeueu now

i am playing my super alt healer

a bm hunter that doesn't know what's going on at all (no dmg, no cc, and scatter + freeze garbo combo user)

kept saying i don't heal him

he went super far to pull me in middle of field and get cc chained

then he started to say he is mult glad

and his hunter played 500 games solo and still at 1600.....

and said he is in Venruki's guild....

[jolly sierra]

belonging to something doesnt makes u inherently good

[waxen meteor]

but he did link me his glad achievement

which happend in 2009

[jolly sierra]

i have to admit im bad af as warr

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/worldofwar-timeschange-change-garrosh-gif-13230689

and as lock

lol

[waxen meteor]

dude kept saying i am a child lol

i think i am actually older than him but anyway....

400 games at 1600...

[jolly sierra]

bad players always blames ppl

[waxen meteor]

that's all i need to respond

[jolly sierra]

that is me as warr

KEK

ironic how is considered one of the easiest classes

[waxen meteor]

sadly i didn't end up with good record in that lobby

really annoying part is dh kept killing himself but he didn't know

i think he used the aura cleaning dots pvp talent

so he kept dying from affli lock

[jolly sierra]

happens a lot

ppl sometimes sabotages ur matches

[waxen meteor]

and he told me he didn't dispell

[jolly sierra]

because or both forget something or go too far away

XD

[waxen meteor]

i just checked his char, yeah he is using cleased by flame

and i just found out how to link achivement of other char now

should have pasted to that 'm gald' back

[jolly sierra]

thought was easy

when u had all ur acc achivs linked

[pine badge]

tarny you playing sub arena?

[waxen meteor]

didn't know where

now i found out where lol

[jolly sierra]

in any case i have my ret elite to link

[waxen meteor]

[waxen meteor]

sub/sin

sup

[jolly sierra]

even if is from god tier ret it works cuz i have everything hidden in checkpvp

so fuck u hardstuck elitists

[waxen meteor]

i played too much pve this season, i will short it s4

i am trying to close my ret 2100 this week but the queue now is miserable time

[jolly sierra]

i played a lot in end season into pvp

[waxen meteor]

i can't do 45 mins queue to push

[jolly sierra]

remained a little absent cuz dhs

and noticed MMR inflation was gone

[waxen meteor]

luckily i am almost 2100mmr

[jolly sierra]

so just played anyways

nice

[waxen meteor]

just need a couple of more games for ret

but it's tired to wait 45 mins queue

[jolly sierra]

but anyways im happy rn

this title means a lot for me in pvp

[waxen meteor]

i can't tell what this is lol

[jolly sierra]

"Duelist"

[waxen meteor]

ah duelist

i see

i thought you were referring to the mog

[jolly sierra]

nah

[waxen meteor]

looks like s1

[jolly sierra]

the mog was just made as signal of angryness for fucking season

yeah its s1 elite

[jolly sierra]

i said "fuck it i hate SS" when i was at 1k7

[waxen meteor]

i really wish we can have queues like healer

[jolly sierra]

so i xmogged to this w shadowflame

[waxen meteor]

that would make this game just a looooooot more fun

[jolly sierra]

went a little focused in shuffle and got 2k1

then left

[waxen meteor]

i did 200 rounds of rdruid already

lol

[jolly sierra]

damn

[waxen meteor]

simply because it's free queue

not really 200*6

i mean total 200 ish

[jolly sierra]

huh

1200_

?

[waxen meteor]

it's like when i have 30 mins to play

then

instead of staying for queue for whole 30 mins

jump to rdruid and play

43 of 76 this week

103/205 total

[jolly sierra]

eksdee

[waxen meteor]

including some bad learning curve

just realized how bad druid is facing swap without any hot on

not sure if i can hit 1800 with rdruid

before end of season

[jolly sierra]

check the vid i showed hours ago here

the hardstuck at 1k6

has an explaination for rdroods

[waxen meteor]

i am quite alright with druid now

just took me a bit to realize rduid healing is a bit different

no real instant healing

and single hot basically is useless

the whole mastery stat is built based on amount of different hot on

gotta keep some hot on even for guys not being targetted

now it's a lot easier for me, but it's really hard to push as healer

you got random idiot here and there and i am not good at healer enough to hard carry whole team by myself as healer

[jolly sierra]

i know

i dont know

why 1k5-1k6 is so hard sometimes

maybe because we are not used to too much alts

[waxen meteor]

biggest issue is when you get random dumb as dps, you as dps exit 42

[jolly sierra]

so we cant do too much and ppl dies around u

ye

[waxen meteor]

but healer exits at 33

and nothing you can do

[jolly sierra]

i still recall

when w this rog

in s1

dropped to 1k4

from 1k9

damn

[broken portal]

what are some good weakauras/addons for pvp?

[jolly sierra]

then a very wise guy said "if u reached your highest once in this season you can do it again"

universal truth

btw

[nova sentinel]

How important is it to get Slice n Dice up in PvP?

[tribal badger]

For what spec

[nova sentinel]

Outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Outlaws gonna feel so garbo in mega mop without the tier set lol

[nova sentinel]

Hrm, should I go Demon Hunter then?

[tawny kestrel]

HAHA

[waxen meteor]

Quite good option

[still sigil]

Might as well get the slicies going, decent damage increase for the sake of a couple combo points

And underhanded upper hand being as stupid as it is it isn't like it ever ticks down anyway :V

[jolly sierra]

sure, u wont overstress for stuff

lol

[still sigil]

Demon hunter is just a rogue who traded stealth for double jump

[jolly sierra]

nah they are the playerbase which were rogues with illidan blindfold and camped persons in outdoor

mainly undeads with punk mohawks and without the jaw

[still sigil]

Don't be silly, they play whichever class ended up getting the SSS tier on the youtuber of their choice's weird tier list

[jolly sierra]

still recall what happened to dhs according to what ppl here told pre pvp rework

basically DH channel was dead af because it did nothing lol

[stoic spruce]

Load of bull

Well all know how dh mains are

If it ain't s tier, it's garbage.

[still sigil]

Oh is outlaw getting a nerf?

I can't imagine which talent could possibly be considered a bit ridiculous

Sepsis is my guess

[jolly sierra]

does outlaws uses sepsis in pvp?

i hope can keep the streak BTW

shadowlands was just a rival fest for me lol, thank you solo shuffle

[tribal badger]

No

[jolly sierra]

i see

[jolly sierra]

i never saw you here, are you sure you do pvp?

[still sigil]

I do. I was memeing. I'm guessing UHUH is for the chop?

[tribal badger]

wdym where do u see outlaw getting nerfed

[stoic spruce]

Probably my name from back when float got nerfed

Too lazy to change

[pine badge]

anyone here use nameplate cooldowns addon?

[tribal badger]

i use kui nameplates

many people use plater

[jolly sierra]

literal there are 1 called "nameplatecooldows" for that

[blissful osprey]

I saw cloak is getting nerfed in PvP is all. They are removing the dodge effect from the PvP cloak talent

[pine badge]

where did you see this

[gleaming pawn]

Just means a talent point is freed up unless you’re facing a Sin Rogue or Feral Druid. Yes it will hurt against melee cleaves but they hurt regardless

[jolly sierra]

ye, we lived without it since forever

we just need to kite more

[sick wasp]

fmp gonna be a thing this season

its sub all the way baby

[jolly sierra]

arms warrior too, their build is w bleeds, u can dispell thunderous roar

[wanton breach]

probably more useful against arms warriors than the dodge chance

[jolly sierra]

overpower bypasses dodge

and most of their dmg are bleeds, so

[wanton breach]

I know, hence my statement

[sick wasp]

warriors gonna be victims next season

[pine badge]

man...i do more damage as sin rogue not knowing how to play the spec than sub rogue which i do...

[safe pelican]

Lol me too that’s why I’m still playing it , but sub isn’t about dmg doe

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-just-saying-mark-philips-rdcworld1-hear-me-out-it-is-what-it-is-gif-4609416520942471928

[pine badge]

yea, am coming to terms w this. sub is beefy and has burst - i assume it is more utility based for cc

[wanton breach]

longer shadow dance with less CD, 2 dance charges, 2 vanish, shadowdust CD reduction - sub has everything except for consistent damage

[safe pelican]

Can I trade crimson tempest for > Arterial Precision or Tiny Toxic Blade

I think crimson tempest is solid I’m just not hitting it enough when it matters

[jolly sierra]

nuh uh

wait

show me ur build

im sure u can use all 3

[safe pelican]

Aight 1 sec

Live action lol

I think this isn’t bad lmk

[wanton breach]

you could drop master poisoner probably for CT

most of your damage is bleeds anyways

[nova sentinel]

@sick wasp why are warriors going to be victims, how so?

[jolly sierra]

lemme see

[jolly sierra]

master poisoner 100% for CT

and use tea

cold blood doesnt matches w assa playstyle

[sick wasp]

looking pretty average and sub is kinda comfy murdering them

[nova sentinel]

Ah, hahaha

@sick wasp is there somewhere they have the tires and skills listed for next season?

[sick wasp]

think there was a vid earlier today posted on how specs looks coming in s4

might wanna scroll up a bit

[nova sentinel]

Ty

[sick wasp]

else u can check supatease on youtube

you are welcome friend

[pine badge]

yes precisely

just gotta get used to that

[jolly sierra]

just noticed subterfuge will cover u casting a mini mana bomb

and u can throw it in arena

XD

[pine badge]

yo mage, you were telling me earlier about sin survivability

kiting and dotting and running right?

[jolly sierra]

ye

and trading cds

if u use feint

feint a lot too

[astral snow]

When is feint good to use exactly? I usually use it during Warrior’s Bladestorm.

[jolly sierra]

if is w elusiveness everytime u dont use a heavy defensive to trade at hand