pvp

[steel scarab]

2100 is truly a new nightmare gullet for me. I used to be afraid of warriors and cringe Illidan wannabes. Now I'm afraid of survival hunters

[sick wasp]

dont be afraid of anything my man

ggs

[harsh kiln]

ty ty, wish i had it done earlier so i could come off and take a break from this god forsaken season:)

[sick wasp]

im prolly gonna hunt the glad mount s4,im drooling

its looking awesome

[harsh kiln]

indeed

[surreal barn]

It will be available in plunderstorm too which is nice

[wanton breach]

gz!

[empty copper]

are there any 1 shot builds for sub

for rss

playing this atm

but you cant play unless u got damage , eveyone drs your cc so you just walk around trying to keep up

[jolly sierra]

isnt cold blood used anymore?

[empty copper]

i got this from check.pvp and it said this is the most played build

so thats why im asking here if anyone has mad build that can 100 to 0 someone

[outer sky]

How do you beat DH resto druid as outlaw/healer?

It feels impossible

[surreal barn]

my mount luck has just been insane lately

[jolly sierra]

god

gratz

im trying going rog

and even dropped the mutilate button from hotkeys lol

my main buttons

[outer sky]

Also how do you beat affliction locks

they just death pact every other stun

kite and rot me out

[jolly sierra]

try cceing them to avoid BS like fears and reapplying dots

i hate going against affs too

i usually troll them w gouges and kidneys

dhs are soyjacks

[narrow tangle]

i suggest flag depending on your mmr

basically free mmr against clueless players

[jolly sierra]

tbh im not toxic without provoking

tried to help the ret

then we got this in the same match

[stoic spruce]

yeah

[empty copper]

do you have like a sc

so i can see what do i swap out etc

[sick wasp]

is that kidney on ''B''

[nova viper]

Sexooo

U are soooo toxic spanish boy

Good

Stay toxic be king

[last jasper]

my bet this was on a healer

[umbral crest]

Had that priest in some shuffles two in the morning yesterday 😮

Today I guess?

[wanton breach]

I'm amazed by your keybindings? mind sharing your full layout?

do you just dance on your keyboard or you got an MMO mouse with keyboard buttons rebound?

[wintry dew]

Panda is secretly a pianist

[jolly sierra]

ye

[jolly sierra]

yep

[jolly sierra]

can, sure but im using regular binds, my fingers are long enough

so i can just fucking press anything easily

[jolly sierra]

uh oh, interesting, he is hardstuck tho

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

[wanton breach]

you know what they about guys with long fingers?

damn that guy can reach a lot of keybindings

[sick wasp]

are u pushing it with ur index finger or thumb

just curious

[jolly sierra]

index

second hand reveal

[sick wasp]

can u control ur movement binds while doing that

[jolly sierra]

yes

[stoic spruce]

Delete Crackshot ty

[last jasper]

Make sub great again

[gleaming pawn]

Ewww no 🙂

[waxen meteor]

26min queue

[jolly sierra]

i fucking hate mages w my monk

(im playing in the afternoons as monk and evenings as rog, ret will be my powerhouse for weekend)

[gleaming pawn]

Ret hurts my soul, so many bad teammates and idiots. I’ll call a kill target and they’ll disagree and demand we try and kill a mage/dragon/warlock. And I end up spending the round trying to get damage on the kill target when there’s a juicy hunter waiting to get clapped

[idle coyote]

Talents for sub 1v1?

[jolly sierra]

smart ones does exist, those ones will use their support stuff and actually hear ppl

but dumb ones will just tunnel vision and believe they are the gods of the villa

[surreal barn]

Leavers still prominent at 2.2k+ too. Just take the 0-6 and don’t screw the rest of the lobby

[jolly sierra]

one did that and gave me 18 CR nice

[empty copper]

can anyone give me build that can 1 shot people 100 to 0 in 1 opener for RSS, since i cant play with cc , since you got people dr'ing stuns on lower mmr

[stoic spruce]

Warrior pvp talents are goated. Fight me.

Literally the best in the game

[frosty elm]

why does myk gatekeep his gear on checkpvp lmao

[jolly sierra]

cuz he earned enough rating to do that

lol

[jolly sierra]

ret has better talents

with a literal full unstealable magic inmunity, a miniburst and some time ago a % drop fast cd talent

[frosty elm]

he must be running full crafted vers/mast gear then

and no tier

[stoic spruce]

Nahhh

[jolly sierra]

yiss

[stoic spruce]

Nahhhhhhhh

[jolly sierra]

yisssssssssssssssssss

[jolly sierra]

me win

[gleaming pawn]

45min in queue, for a trash DH from area52 to go 0-5 and leave like a bitch

sigh

[jolly sierra]

like 1 and half hour

played, and got mauled by a ww monk

lose 34 CR

gotta try again if i lose its over for today

advantage of playing in evenings is u got some interesting lobbies

[jolly sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X1GvBtfgxk

god dammit i wont bother in push for 2k1 in next season tho

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/1bsw3q8/thanks_xan/

chad

[gleaming pawn]

no no, you must push for 2100 because who else will

[jolly sierra]

you

lol

im dropping hard rn

[last jasper]

Wow, they managed to make it even worse than s3

[jolly sierra]

ye

im not that desperated in tryharding tho

this season was awful anyways, they took months to nerf fkn dhs

got all elite sets i needed

so im thinking in illussions as secondary objectives now, cuz shadowflame is gone (in my hands already)

speaking bout shadowflame im angry af so im xmogging that shit

[last jasper]

Tbf, s4 mogs are all mostly shit too.

[jolly sierra]

ye

they chose the worst style for xmog

took back something

gotta go sleep, my health is first

bb

[nova viper]

Biiig W

spanish seeexoooo boy

[last jasper]

Not them. Pve Andy

[wintry dew]

You guys do know pvp is a niche in the playerbase right? XD

[last jasper]

I'm not sure is there anything left in this game that is not niche

[wintry dew]

Just pvp and pet battles really

Anything PvE related is pretty common

[last jasper]

Been watching recently how every single ytuber posted a video about how myth raiding is dead

[wintry dew]

That's the top 1%

Rest of the people play between LFR and hc

[last jasper]

Even less.

[wintry dew]

Yeah, maybe even less.

[last jasper]

There is like only 600 guilds that killed fyrak.

And that's is like the only thing this game was good at. I would raid myself if they didn't balance them for world first

[wintry dew]

But HC and normal are balanced pretty much

[last jasper]

Yea. But normal is too boring and hc pug are free ticket to psychiatrist

Especially when they put mechanics like debuffs that have different colors. Like Anduin 😂

[wintry dew]

This expansion was pretty chill to pug tho

[last jasper]

I was hitting a PvP dummy in Valdraken for pretty much the whole expansion. 😂 So I haven't tried raids. Somehow df was a huge miss for me lorewise

[wintry dew]

Lorewise I hated it

Kinda tired of the power of friendship

I felt like legion did a better job on lorewise and class identity

[surreal barn]

When do we become Captain Planet

Is that next season?

Where the dragonflights lend us their power to become the ultimate dragon

[wintry dew]

Don't give them ideas

[surreal barn]

How crazy would it be if they let you be the bad guy through choice nodes

Like in red dead

[wintry dew]

Like being a Sylvanas loyalist

[surreal barn]

Would be so cool

[wintry dew]

Yes bet
I'm so tired of this narrative, we aren't really exploring shit, we are just solving everyone else's problems

There's no adventure anymore

[surreal barn]

Like take the overdone scarlet crusade

What if you could join up with them and it be a horde/alliance collaboration group

They have a chance to put the War back in Warcraft instead of these destroyer of worlds bad guys

[halcyon timber]

Nerubian arc is going back to good stuff. Midnight is crushing the void. And TLT is about the titans being scumlords. Sounds like Chris is on top of it.

We are headed back to the old world and the deep dive shows that which is great

Scarlet crusade has been stirring the pot in game for a while now and spreading anti anduin propaganda and such so I wouldn’t be surprised if there is something going on with that as well.

[halcyon timber]

https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Power-Rangers-DragonZord.jpg

[surreal barn]

rip jdf

[halcyon timber]

He was cool af

TWW already (story hook) sounds great . Im down for beating on creepy crawlies.

[versed falcon]

hey, does anyone have a really good shadowstep kick macro for your focus target?

[chrome schooner]

Use:
/cast [target=focus] Shadowstep
/cast [target=focus] Kick
And press it twice quickly

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

[last jasper]

True. Fckin cartoon for 7y old

[jolly sierra]

blame danuser

ruining lore since BFA

[last jasper]

bfa was 10 times better. Fck even sl was better than all this dragons kissing squirrels

[halcyon timber]

Empowering the dragons again was an important move though. They could be important given all the stuff that is coming story wise and actually be hardcore protectors again since Azeroth directly empowered them vs the titans.

No more cosmo disco trip is solid and the nerubian kingdom finally coming (just like the dragon isles that were asked for) will be sick

DI arc at least got the aspects back as big guardians, fixed night elf wounds and sparked a new beginning, and established iridikron being a big deal vs the titans and more void stuff for the long game which is healthy. No janitor nonsense even though super hell was neat in theory.

Chris and the new story team wrapped that all up after steve left and now we can go back to old world and old world hatreds vs the void vs x. Lots of cool shiz going on lore wise in the big picture.

[jolly sierra]

bfa had nathanos and sylvanas nonsense anthic in orgrimmar

[wintry dew]

I totally agree with you, the world is coming together. There's just one thing left

• the "warcraft" part

[last jasper]

And still it was better.

Don't get me wrong. The expact is good except for the story

[halcyon timber]

Yeah nerubians mauling people and the whispers maddening things will bring that war back. It depends how sinister they want to go with things.

[jolly sierra]

the only thing i liked about bfa were visions and freehold

sylvanas was shit as one of the main plots

[halcyon timber]

That was Alex’s doing so /shrug

Nzoth and the other old gods arent dead. We saw that in bfa and yogg was talking trash to you directly in uldir

Old gods cannot die truly unless killed in where they came from which is unknown currently. Just like demons only truly die if killed in the twisting nether where they can regenerate

[jolly sierra]

ask aman thul to kill them

[last jasper]

Friendlyfire from canons in tol dagor m+ runs

[jolly sierra]

funny

[spring bough]

anyone heard the downlow on when beta will start for war within?

[wanton breach]

is there some addon or weakaura that can tell me which arena pool (A, B or C) is active?

[jolly sierra]

god i hate mages w my ww monk

got an arcane in mugambala

imagine how it ended

[last jasper]

So s4 sub is the same tier as we have now. I wonder are we gonna be any better or same shit

[gleaming pawn]

same shit

[last jasper]

Shouldve asked this before applying 60d timecard

[gleaming pawn]

there will be little to no tuning changes for the new season, so how classes played in s3 will largely be how they play in s4

which is going to kill the season, but what else is new

[last jasper]

Kinda would go back to s3 before stat nerf

[jolly sierra]

s4 is the filler season anyways

[gleaming pawn]

it's only filler for raiding, making pvp and m+ boring is not a great idea

[last jasper]

True

It's going to be so fckin bad if half specs endup stuck in "s3"

[jolly sierra]

s3 was s mess with lack of tuning

tbh

way too low to the pacing of months

specially after DH rework

[last jasper]

Was fun until they touched sub 😄

[jolly sierra]

i just hope today can land some wins w assa like in last night

[surreal barn]

Sub scales nicely. It will be a monster again

Until next nerf

[last jasper]

Hope so

[waxen meteor]

Sub just attracts nerf too much lol

[surreal barn]

i dont think it would if duel didnt exist

but it does so... people get mad lol

[waxen meteor]

they can make duel/bomb an option betwen 2

i think people get mad with simply kidney lol

i can't fucking move

fuck rogues

[surreal barn]

they get mad when they see rogue in lobby

[last jasper]

Can u q arena with alliance as horde?

[waxen meteor]

yeah

you can

[surreal barn]

yup

[last jasper]

Tnx

[waxen meteor]

I feel I struggle with classes with multiple stances

like warrior/druid

swap form is not built in my muscle memory lol

[surreal barn]

some macro stance to skill

[waxen meteor]

yeah i think i should do it

[surreal barn]

it might super noob mode tho idk

[waxen meteor]

takes globals 😦

[surreal barn]

lol defensive stance is on the GCD???

[waxen meteor]

yeah

[surreal barn]

that is dumb as hell

[waxen meteor]

and change to bear/boomie etc.

i think my first few games as rdruid i kept messing up if i changed form by mistake

then i was like why this buttom doesn't work!!

i need to cast hot

blabla

then i realize i am in wrong form

and takes another global to change back

and add hot

and people already dead lol

now i am more used to it

but still doesn't feel that good

Does S4 have any major changes?

or it's just another season with exact same thing

[surreal barn]

Umm, i dont even think the armor is a new recolor

[halcyon timber]

Wait till extended shockwave or double stormbolt comes out then we will revisit this again somehow being our fault

Adding on Tokyo drift style deep breath dragons and mass disintegrate whooping entire teams along with ancestor proccing lavaburst shaman but its the rogues fault or a wind wanker using their new super tekken tag team windlord 2.0 ability when some goon wants to whine about cheap shot/ kidney shot that required planning and such.

[halcyon timber]

Same season with same set my man

[gleaming pawn]

Tuning has not been released for s4 yet, but don't hold your breath

most of the tuning will be for the set bonuses for other classes to bring them in line with s3 sets

and the usual Rogue nerfs 🙂

[halcyon timber]

Standard procedure

[frosty elm]

does anyone know what gear myk runs?

the guy is cheeky

[surreal barn]

I do not

Do his 10 alts tell lies

[frosty elm]

he un equips all his gear on 10 rogues before he logs out

😂

actual freak

i dont understand why he runs alacrity, and no kingsbane tho, i think he actually stacks some haste

[gleaming pawn]

or he's trolling in his talent loadouts too, since he goes to that much effort to try and hide his gear for some reason

[frosty elm]

i got a sneak peak one time, he was actually running those talents, and he was running a haste/mast torc, but when i refreshed page he logged out and took the gear off lol

[outer sky]

So are warriors supposed to be able to bladestorm OUT of CC?

[halcyon timber]

Has been going on all of DF. Working as intended or it would of been changed.

[outer sky]

It was happening as far back as BFA

[jolly sierra]

warriors can clean cc with bladestorm

but requires perfect timing

to do that

[jolly sierra]

almost last capstone for me

lose 1 cuz the mw monk afked one round

but think can reach 2k1 at this pace

gotta take a rest for now

im xmogged like this now, to show my frustration w the bracket

personal notes: kidneying an off target dps without any kind of DR delays a lot of upcoming damage and increases pressure from ur team, and makes healing very easy, more than cceing the healer w a long stun

or kidneying the strongest dps from the lobby in that team

[sick wasp]

very common thing to do especially when u are getting run down.It stops everything.KS's on healers though most of the time,thats when the enemy team rly starts to fall behind

[jolly sierra]

nice to discover by myself

felt rewarding

[sick wasp]

now imagine being a mage,landing a sheep from 30 yards away,or a db/sheep,maybe a rof idk

some blastwaves into sheeps

easiest way to win matches just by existing

[steel scarab]

I think I'm done for the season

Queues are just absolutely awful

[sick wasp]

the entire community is done

not only you friend

like a month now

ppl play poe

[steel scarab]

😩

[sick wasp]

and diablo

[jolly sierra]

ye

s3 sucks cock

[gleaming pawn]

the higher you get, the worse the queue times

and it's not exactly prime time today anymore

[sick wasp]

s4 gonna be a banger

[nova viper]

S4 be a BIS

[pine badge]

just started pvp as assa, what is typical rotation?

also, are there macros to combine abilities

i am pressing less buttons with less intention and doing more damage than subtlety

[steel scarab]

I don't think you really need any macros as assassination, the only one I used used my trinket when I hit Kingsbane

[pine badge]

ok, no problem

back to sub because i realised i need wins over 1000+ for the mount. at 85%

any tips for sub? feeling very weak outside of burst and stealth

[wintry dew]

Just don't die xD

Gouge a lot

Kick important spells

[pine badge]

cool. i am always under the impression that there is more i can be doing as rogue

always throws me off when i am in stealth in the corner not cc'ing or doing something

[pine badge]

i have underestimated rupture for ages

i have talented it where it assunes shadowy damage and now am doing decent dmg in arenas

[proven sapphire]

do u all run thiefs bargain

[pine badge]

nup. smoke bomb, dismantle / shadowy, veil midnight

[jolly sierra]

do u think can reach 2k1 at this step?

[pine badge]

you definitely can

go on mage panda disarmer female rogue dude

[jolly sierra]

just a little moooooooore

[hexed pollen]

i am thee devil rogue

[jolly sierra]

dropped 41 CR after that

guys managed to lose 2 in a row

cuz forgot how to trade defensives

[wintry dew]

Tomorrow, for sure

[jolly sierra]

1 more

if i drop its enough for today

[wintry dew]

Good rest is part of the climbing process

[jolly sierra]

gotcha

fair enough

going ret then

[gleaming pawn]

I really hate the ilvl gearing. Like honor gear is s4 will be better than conq gear now even with a socket because of the AGI/STM increases

Means getting bis gear makes fuck all difference if you aren’t trying to push for max rating (I am pushing the on ret because it’s fun but only to maybe 2100)

[wintry dew]

What do you mean

"Means getting bis gear makes fuck all difference if you aren’t trying to push for max rating" here

[jolly sierra]

huh

[gleaming pawn]

whoooo boy, yeah that was so badly written and vague. It's what I get for ranting while on mobile I suppose. I mean that I've been putting in effort on my paladin to get all the sockets I can to aid in my pushing. But when s4 comes, honor gear will replace all of the s3 conq gear regardless because the mainstat/stamina are the most important. So all of my extra effort wont make any difference at the start of s4

if I was designing it, the conq gear from the prior season would be the same ilvl as the honor gear of the new season

[wintry dew]

Thats why it's a season

[gleaming pawn]

so your effort in gearing hasn't even the slightest bearing on starting a new season. Gearing being so seasonally self contained, feels bad imo

[wintry dew]

TBF

if you play since day 1 of the season, you wont feel that way

[surreal barn]

Sockets won’t ever be the reason you didn’t move up in rating

But I get where you’re coming from. This late in the season you should only be picking sockets anyway so they come so fast. Were you using the vault on something else?

[gleaming pawn]

nope just started late

and yeah, sockets aren't going to make or break

just an annoyance that the gear is replaced day one instead of previous expansions like SL where the honor ilvl was close to the conq so you didn't have to replace your conq gear instantly

[jolly sierra]

i dont get why dpriest never uses their fkn dome

even when they see their ppl dying

[gleaming pawn]

inexperienced

and as a disc priest alt, even when I throw it out, morons run out of it even at 1800

it's a great CD when you get use out of it, but getting good use can be difficult because people dumb

[jolly sierra]

at 1k9 lobbies?

[gleaming pawn]

yep

[jolly sierra]

bruh

[gleaming pawn]

zug zug melee like to continue zugging right on out of the dome

[jolly sierra]

a lot of times ive seen domes never being used

[gleaming pawn]

was even in a 2.1 lobby because healers get put into crazy CR lobbies

and the ret and warrior both ran out of it to try and hit the lock

[lone goblet]

see ground effect, run out of it. It's ingrained in all wow players

[jolly sierra]

bruh

ive seen the same w darkness

[pine badge]

i finally understand

are there any addons that better nameplates?

show stuns next to nameplates, debuffs, etc. essentially what gladius does but against the nameplate?

[surreal barn]

How you explain the healers that run into my smoke bomb as the dps runs out 😂

[jolly sierra]

and what about the rangeds i protect w ring of peace?

lol

definitivetly im dropping rog and ret today

im in a lose streak, monk is eating it all

KEK

at least the rog is at 2k rating rn

its something

[pine badge]

am i supposed to have abilities procc'ing as sub

[wintry dew]

proccin? i dont think so no

unless you're playing sepsis and you get a free stealth ability charge once you press it

and once it pops on the target

[pine badge]

cool

[potent pivot]

s tech procs can give you what seems like random "free" combo points

[jolly sierra]

oh boi trickz is writing

look who is back lol

[potent pivot]

yeah i've moved into my new place

finally got my pc all set up

[jolly sierra]

niiiiiiiice

are you skipping this current season?

[potent pivot]

Yeah unfortunately

S4 is somewhat soon ye?

Yeah couple weeks away

[jolly sierra]

ye

april 22th for americans

this season end was pretty rushed in end announcement

[outer sky]

If you disarm someone do they also lose the stat bonuses from their weapons?

[jolly sierra]

no

[proper venture]

best rogue build for SOD pvp at 50?

[jolly sierra]

we dont play sod in this thread

[proper venture]

my b. wentr to other

[pliant mauve]

Just realized I have mine macro’d to go right before deathmark which in the opener at least I always use right before KB. Is that better or worse? Never really thought about it.

[potent pivot]

won't really make a difference numerically, but trinket and KB have the same CD

generally want to get uses of KB+trinket without DM when you have them up while DM is still on CD

[pliant mauve]

Yeah. I just realized I’m probably missing a lot of windows where my second KB is without trinket. I’m only 1900 but almost all my wins are from KB when they’re low and I’ve probably lost a lot of kills from not stacking them.

[potent pivot]

yeah if you're forgetting to combine them, then it may be beneficial for you to swap the macro around

[gleaming pawn]

there is never a time where you don't want your KB to do as much damage as possible, so you should macro your on use trinket to before KB

they are also on the same CD duration, and they will always line up

[sick wasp]

cant decide if i wanna play mage or rogue next season

both looks so good to play

[gleaming pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[jolly sierra]

disarm the mage

go for the rogue

[wanton breach]

finally some good advice in thsi channel

[weary pumice]

Are warrior immune to disarm during bladestorm?

[pine badge]

yes

[minor cape]

and disarm doesn't do anything to a mage

but it doesn't mean you don't have to press it

😎

[wintry dew]

Take his staff away, play mind games on him

[wanton breach]

so you're playing together with a priest?

[wintry dew]

... Nice

[wanton breach]

the confusion will be huge and he will be more likely to make mistakes due to it

[jolly sierra]

just disarm him

[minor cape]

just do it

[pale storm]

Just make sure to disarm before ice block, that’s the tech

[rose wigeon]

if you forget to swap off disarm i swear it does fuck with their head when you disarm a caster

[sick wasp]

Yeah man,all those times i got to sheep those monks that pressed disarm on me

totally confusing

[jolly sierra]

GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS

I WANNA MY ARROGANT MOMENT

got 2k1 as panda rog

oficially got it after years filling w another classes

[wintry dew]

of course you did

I don't believe anyone here doubted it

It was just a matter of time

[jolly sierra]

thank you royal

that is very nice to read

[wintry dew]

You're a good player my man, you grind well and play a lot of different play styles with your alts, you got good knowledge of what happens inside of the arena

[jolly sierra]

tbh

everytime im growing more

always learn something new

XD

[wintry dew]

Always learning

like a damn boss

play chad music

https://tenor.com/view/chad-walk-gif-26831766

[jolly sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk260d77lqw

[wintry dew]

CAN YOU FEEL MY HEAAAAAAAAAAART

[jolly sierra]

can you save my bastard soul?

[wintry dew]

Negative, keep grinding

[jolly sierra]

oof

gotta go lock now tho

for the elite xmog

[jolly sierra]

have u noticed this season is deflated af?

ive found mgalds at 1k9

[wintry dew]

I honestly didn't play much this season, played like 3 days max, got rogue and warrior to 1800

[jolly sierra]

nice

i wanna get lock to 1k6 at least

but will try 1k8 BTW

im like this atm

[wintry dew]

2 days off and you're 1800

[jolly sierra]

makes sense

lemme see how i can play

[proven sapphire]

Anyone here have tips to pushing elite on sub

I'm 2200 rn

I'm seeing less and less kill conditions

Everyone's got a disarm ready and shit

Just annoying

Then what do you do during no cds

[last jasper]

What, u jumped on a lock? Destro?

[jolly sierra]

demo

is the most forgiving one for me

for a newcomer caster

[last jasper]

Yea, demo is pretty fun

[jolly sierra]

still have the bad habit of forgetting giving cookies

at start

lol

[last jasper]

They've might won't use them. I usually remind lock to put them

[jolly sierra]

hm

anyways

look

enh shaman r1 hall of fame in US

[last jasper]

The guy has no life

[jolly sierra]

pick this

and u make the r1

w him

[wintry dew]

Funny how what you said is accurate also due to how they used that model in the south park episode

[jolly sierra]

yeah is a direct reference

to that

[undone remnant]

Best song evar

[dusky flower]

yo, if you guys are only plaaying one spec into S4 and 11.0 you going sub or pirate

[frosty elm]

is solo shuffle hard for assas? im stuck at 1800cr, im always top damage (not that it matters that much) but i feel like i die to air

[jolly sierra]

assa 100%

[jolly sierra]

try kidneying one of the dps to avoid incoming damage

if is bursting and off dr, even better

so u can manage it w ease

[frosty elm]

by the time im ready for my second dance/kidney go and they have no cds the game is already over

sometimes ill 5-1 a lobby and sometimes ill 0-6 it's so depressing

whats your opinion on snd? i feel like im trying too hard to keep it up and dots on everyone

feels overwhelming

[jolly sierra]

i almost never use snd, cuz i forget

but is important for poison proc

try to step more in healers

to dodge incoming damage

trade defensives with their burst

are you using bone spike or indiscriminate carnage?

[frosty elm]

i was running bone spike with no kingsbane, but felt like i couldnt land kills in kidneys, so i've swapped to kingsbane (both with carnage)

[jolly sierra]

kingsbane is the key now for the main pressure

with carnage

just saying

but, if u wanna a more detailed feedback, try showing us a replay from u

[jolly sierra]

big OOF

[last jasper]

Read that topic yesterday. Quite funny

[wanton breach]

1900 mmr shuffle be like
"melee player, can you please not overextend, the warlock needs to play near his teleport"
melee player charges way past everyone and dies

[spring bough]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/l4CA1WuXYK

This is diabolical. WHO the hell has the time to do something like this

Gotta lock up that verdant legend title I guess 🤷‍♂️

[surreal barn]

he’s got bigdam

Needs to show it 😂

[spring bough]

19 characters all the same name 😂

[umbral crest]

He found the solution to shuffle queues 🤷‍♂️

[spring bough]

Reminds me of the guys in wow classic that would multi box 5-10 elemental shamans and then just chain lightning everything to death in battlegrounds 😂

Imagine paying $100 a month just to delete people in pvp 😂

[jolly sierra]

he had his prioriries straight lol

[safe pelican]

Taking a break from Sub @ 1854 rating I started back playing wow as a rogue & now that I know wtf I’m doing I’ve been rolling assassination again since Sunday .. i started as that spec but reclassed cause I need 2 vanishes to be good 😂🤣

Who’s got a solid dmg rotation macro for assass for solo shuffle goes ?

From what I see given my 15 minutes of research last night ,

-Shiv > Kidney ( full CP ) >Shadow dance > trinket / racial > death mark > CB > Kingsbane > Mutilate > Envenom

And then refresh bleeds after that ??
Somebody tap in lmk if this is right I’m kinda under geared on my alt rogue but this is hitting for around 1.3M to 1.8M within like 22 seconds and i think that’s kinda low i do more burst on my sun main even though it’s not consistent over time lmk assassination lords Ty Ty

[thorn basalt]

did blizz ever say if the nameplate distance nerf was intentional or a result of plunderstorm?

[old brook]

it's so ass

[thorn basalt]

i kinda think its intentional, but it begs the question "why now?"

its been a thing for like 20 years

[old brook]

i wouldn't be surprised if it was an accidental bug from plunderstorm but, whatever it only really affects pvpers so nbd. slap a feature label on it

[jolly sierra]

cheap shot if melee and can stun with magic > garrote > rupture > shiv > fan of knives > shadow dance + trinket + kingsbane > envenom if 5 CP
garrote if is not melee > garrote > rupture > fan of knives until 4 CP > shiv > kidney > shadow dance + trinket + kingsbane > envenom if 5P or fill with fan of knives

if u are stacked with enemies try doing crimson tempest inside the dance too

replace mutilate with fan of knives as your main CP generator, mutilate just for punctual stuff

we are playing w indiscriminate carnage now

so the pressure lies in the spread

more than in KB

[lavish idol]

Any advice for playing solo shuffle, outlaw vs 2 casters (fmage, aff lock). hunter... I feel like I couldn't do anything

[safe pelican]

Copy that going to try it when I get home from work pretty stoked to play changing specs and classes always makes the game feel kinda new again will reach out if i get hung up on anything

[jolly sierra]

k, i learned a lot of new stuff too in this season (i played since BFA in ranked so imagine lol)

[sick wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onaAwUWW1bY

he's a god

[surreal barn]

@chrome schooner how important is that 3% haste?

Is it for the extra tick at the end?

[chrome schooner]

There is no extra tic now

I mean, if you don't get a full tic then you have a partial one at the end

3% is because I have one part with mastery haste that goes in 2 different gear sets with one needing the haste

and at the time I didn't have enough sparks to make 2 items

and haste is not a wasted stat so i kept it

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-notes-taking-chicago-pd-gif-23270333

[surreal barn]

Gotcha, I was trying to see the difference bc I had both and couldn’t really see why

[steel scarab]

I wish the tooltips were more transparent about exactly what our stats do

Haste, I believe, increases our attack speed, energy regeneration, and the speed at which our DOTs tick, right? But the tooltip doesn't mention DOTs, and the tooltip also doesn't say exactly how much these metrics increase by as you add more of the stat.

[steel scarab]

Question for my fellow pvpers

I've messed around with a few off-beat talent builds now that I hit my 2100 goal for the season, just to see how they performed

I've come to a couple conclusions

1. assassination is pretty much unplayable unless you take Sanguine Blades. The spec just does not apply enough pressure unless you take this talent

2. assassination as a spec absolutely does not work (in any content, PvE, PvP, even doing world quests) unless you put a point in venomous wounds.

3. Seal Fate being a 1 point talent makes it way too good not to take. Even if you had a 10% crit rate, this talent being only 1 point is way too good not to take.

[tribal badger]

they increase how u think they would

at 10% haste u have 10% faster swing speed, 10% more base energy gen, 10% faster dot tick rate (you get 10% more damage from ur dots)

[steel scarab]

4. Internal Bleeding is way too good compared to Caustic Spatter. IB hugely increases our damage for just applying Ruptures and Kidney Shots (which we want to do anyway), while Spatter has way too many prerequisites with not nearly enough payoff. Spatter needs: Rupture AND Deadly Poison applied to a target, AND we have to Mutilate the target, AND it needs other targets close enough to the main target for the poison damage to splash to. Best case scenario, we check all the above boxes and splash a Kingsbane as AOE, but it's a lot to ask for with not nearly enough payoff.

@tribal badger interesting, that's good to know

5. Dragon Tempered Blades does not apply enough damage OR utility to justify the number of talent points required to get to it

In terms of pruning, I strongly believe Seal Fate, Cut to the Chase, and Venomous Wounds should be baked into the base assassination tree. Or they should be capstone talents.

I'm not a math genius, but I would go as far as to say Venomous Wounds is probably a bigger DPS increase than Dragon Tempered Blades lol

Talent trees are supposed to be about self expression and choices (pure damage vs. utility). Venomous Wounds isn't a choice, you can't play the spec without it

Every talent that's too good not to take should either be a capstone decision node that has an equally strong / interesting choice, or baked into the base toolkit

Then all those fake-choice must-take talents could be replaced with interesting choices that give classes more utility vs. utility options, or damage vs. utility options, that could really profoundly impact the way people get to express themselves through the class fantasy

[tribal badger]

talents rnt supposed to just be about choices

talent trees have always had a minimum number of talents required to make specs function

every spec has this

generally a majority of the points you take will just be taxes required to make ur spec function and then you'll have maybe 3-4 points u can change around if ur lucky

or a few different build paths within that tree to take

[steel scarab]

I don't really think that's good design though. I love the trees, and I love the way they're presented in Dragonflight, much better than they were in Shadowlands with the awful 3 choices per tier. But I'd like to see more room for player self expression

[tribal badger]

well talent trees have never in their history in this game really had more expression then these

they have always been cookie cutter often with little to no choice

id say for alot of specs you have more choice right now then you've ever had in the past

but ur never gunna have trees where a majority of the options are actual "options"

that would generally require having too many utility/defensive options

[steel scarab]

Dragon Tempered Blades was a great example of a talent that really improves / alters the way your character functions, and yet the damage our weapon poisons add is such an astonishingly low % of our overall damage, combined with the fact our ONLY option is Crippling + either Numbing or Atrophic -- both of which provide a relatively small effect -- detracts from the feeling of meaningful choice

In vanilla, rogues had like 6 poisons and could apply them in multiple combinations depending on the situation. Some folks even would have a backup set of separate poisoned weapons in their bag and occasionally weapon swap, suffering the GCD penalty just to apply 4 poisons at once

[tribal badger]

assassination currently has 6 poisons right

[steel scarab]

DTB basically gives us that effect for free, yet the damage of our weapon poison has been pruned back so badly, plus our agency over which posions we'd like to apply has been removed

[tribal badger]

what interesting poisons were removed

havent we really just lost the poison that removed enrages which like

we have that functionality as an ability now

wasnt very interesting to need a weapon with a zero damage poison on it just to remove enrages

[steel scarab]

I mean you used to be able to run, as an example, Mind Numbing and Crippling poison in vanilla, right? Or if you wanted max damage and zero utility, you could do Instant + Deadly

[tribal badger]

sure and u can run mind numbing and crippling now

[steel scarab]

You literally cannot do that unless you take DTB.

[tribal badger]

if u took that talent

yes

[steel scarab]

I feel like assassination should have access to talents that give the player additional poisons they could use, that the other specs don't have access to. That's one of the main class fantasy core ideas of assassination

We have the same exact poisons as the other two rogue specs, we can just potentially apply 4

[tribal badger]

sin has deadly and amplifying poison, both poisons nobody else can use

i assume u mean utility poisons tho

they wont give them unique utility poisons because giving any rogue spec a unique utility item gives it a unique advantage in pve content

[steel scarab]

Amplifying Poison is a good talent but it's just so generic. It's the same exact thing as Instant poison with an Envenom buff tacked onto it

[tribal badger]

and devalues the other two specs unless they also give them utility poisons

or utility something

[steel scarab]

Isn't that a good thing though? They could give the other two specs abilities that provide utility though. Subtlety's utility could be tied to their Rupture and Outlaw could be tied to Blade Flurry or something

And that would immediately make raids more interested in bringing 3 rogues

Instead of just 1

[tribal badger]

no its not good because they dont necessarily want rogue to have more utility for raid

yes

do u think blizzard wants raids to feel like they need 3 rogues

i dont

i think they want them to take at least 1 rogue, and then the rest is up to tuning

[umbral crest]

Only if they make raids 40man again

20 man with 3 being rogues wouldn't work very well

[tribal badger]

outlaw had a unique utility they removed because it would have given it an advantage in grouping over sub and sin

[steel scarab]

Nah, not that you "need" 3 rogues, just that there would be a very small bonus for taking 3 if there happen to be 3

[tribal badger]

i dont think they want each spec to have a unique one

[steel scarab]

Here's my hot take for the day

[tribal badger]

sin already has a unique thing in it can provide both rogue debuffs

instead of needing two rogues

[proven sapphire]

Does assa really only run 2 set

[wintry dew]

yes

4 set = pve stuff

[steel scarab]

99.9% of the wow playerbase doesn't like progression raiding. They like to show up and kill bosses. That's why mythic raiding and even heroic raiding has such low participation. Compare how many players at this point do Mythic raiding to how many people were happy to slam through the cakewalk raids of Classic wow

[wintry dew]

You won't be using your 4 set in PvP most of the time

[steel scarab]

The dev team spends way too much time balancing the game around content that the vast majority of the playerbase does not care about

When raiding is easy, more people do it. When raiding is hard and frustrating, people don't do it

People WANT to feel like they're succeeding. When people hit a wall in a game, they quit

Making endgame raiding incredibly difficult is bad for the health of the game because it makes people feel like failures and drives them away

[tribal badger]

the only really hard endgame raiding is something 0.1% of players engage in so i doubt its driving away a significantly large amount of players for blizz to care about

most of the tuning they do is probably based around a more casual playerbase which is why they dont tune all that often and usually its fairly light between seasons

[wintry dew]

I speak for ATLEAST heroic raiding, its easy and puggable 100%

[steel scarab]

Imagine how many resources they devote to that 0.1% that mythic raid

Imagine how much healthier the game would be if the dev team, instead, diverted those resources to PvP

And just deleted mythic raiding

[tribal badger]

ok thats gotta be a cap

mythic raiders r still a way larger playerbase then rated pvpers

[wintry dew]

PvP is such a small % of the community

yeah

[steel scarab]

I'd say that's because they don't tune PvP

[tribal badger]

nah

even in the best tuned seasons

pvps always been a sidegame

in blizzards eyes

maybe it could be bigger if they devoted more resources to it sure

but even the best pvp seasons dont compare to the pve side of the game

so they dont bother

[steel scarab]

I mean, look at Plunderstorm

They devoted resources to it, and tons of people played it

That's what happens when Blizzard puts forth legitimate effort into a mode

[tribal badger]

because they made something unique and fun with some sick rewards sure

[steel scarab]

I don't even think WoW has gotten a new arena map in like, years

Definitely not a new battleground, right?

[tribal badger]

well we got 3 new arena maps in bfa

1 in DF

[steel scarab]

Is it any surprise people aren't participating in it?

[tribal badger]

actual full on bgs we havent gotten any in a long time yea

brawls are the new form of that

just redoing existing maps in different ways

[steel scarab]

Brawls are actually pretty good

[tribal badger]

yea brawls r fun

people just dont like pvp tho

and those same people are largely complaining about needing to play plunderstorm for their mogs

but plunderstorm also does pvp way easier

u have 4 abilities

theres like 12 abilities total

in wow pvp any given class has more abilities then that

let alone all the specs

[steel scarab]

But like, I'd argue that's because for raiding, there's a very clear thing there. People engage in that because there's a new experience to be had there, and there's rewards you're chasing

And at minimum, think about this a second

You can queue up for LFR and even if you die 10 seconds in on every boss, you still get loot

Meanwhile if you're queueing for battlegrounds you get... no real rewards? And if you queue for arena and can't win you get... literally nothing

[surreal barn]

I haven’t plundered since 40 renown it got stale

[tribal badger]

i mean u can queue bgs in full greens and not contribute at all and get honor and conquest

[steel scarab]

They need to incentivize people to PVP

They're doing a very bad job of it currently

[tribal badger]

ur just being a drag on the team

[steel scarab]

Right but what's the point of that honor and conquest? The gear isn't cool looking

There aren't fun toys to get

There aren't fun mounts

They need to motivate the playerbase to do the PvP content with rewards that actually REWARD people even if they aren't good at it

[tribal badger]

i mean the gears the same mog as the raid one

[steel scarab]

That's how you drive engagement

[tribal badger]

theres the elite mog which is MUCH easier to get in pvp

[surreal barn]

All they need is a failsafe for super slow seasons

[gleaming pawn]

people are not participating in pvp because they suck at it and hate the stress and knowledge that losing meant you were worse than another human. It has nothing to do with the a lack of pvp content

[tribal badger]

then it is in pve now a day

theres the pvp appearences which vary for sure

theres the seasonal mount

theres titles

im always down for more cosmetic rewards

i just dont think it would change how many people engage much

you fundementally misunderstand how much people hate wow pvp i think

[steel scarab]

More cosmetic rewards I think would really help, if they pushed that, and told people about it

[tribal badger]

theres just too much going on at the entry level

too many abilities and honor talents and pvp modifiers on things you dont even know because blizzard has so many archaeic systems stacked on each other

"oh this ability sounded good in my head but it has a -70% modifier on it in pvp i cant see anywhere but wowhead so it isnt"

[steel scarab]

Right, that's a GREAT point

[gleaming pawn]

you brought up plunderstorm and said how people enjoyed it, it is vastly more hated and people are pissed that dev time was devoted to it over PvE

[steel scarab]

Absolutely great point

[tribal badger]

but to remove the entry level to pvp, you'd need to simplify pvp alot

[steel scarab]

I personally hated Plunderstorm. But tons of people played it despite hating it

Because rewards

[tribal badger]

do you think high end pvpers would like that?

[steel scarab]

PvP absolutely shouldn't be simplified, but it should be accessible and comprehensible by just reading tooltips

[gleaming pawn]

every lobby is people talking about how they are hate playing it because of the rewards, and will stop as soon as their rewards are over. They are also people that if they played rated pvp in retail, would be bottom of the barrel and would inflate nothing

[steel scarab]

You shouldn't need to consult Google to understand what your abilities do in arena compared to how they work in PvE

The game tooltips should explain it clearly for you

[gleaming pawn]

1800, 1950, 2100, 2400 would all still be the break points of skill and where most people will not reach

[steel scarab]

I'm totally not asking for inflation, just rewards so people engage in PvP content, and of course, more PvP maps

I also think adding a bunch of annoying PvE stuff to PvP maps is bad design. Like, if they just reskin Arathi Basin with a fresh coat of paint and slightly different placement, people would probably check it out

[tribal badger]

i think the thing ur missing here is

[steel scarab]

Idk about you guys, but those huge battlegrounds that are PvE slogs suck

[tribal badger]

if the pve community engages in plunderstorm just for the mogs

and they hate it actively

blizzard doesnt wanna make pvp like that

[umbral crest]

It should be easier to check out PvP tooltips etc since a lot of abilities are balanced separately, and some rewards for casuals to keep the population healthy

[tribal badger]

making sure pvp is something you never need to engage with in the modern game for pvers is something theyve worked hard on

[steel scarab]

@umbral crest exactly

[tribal badger]

because they dont wanna drive away players because they feel like they are forced to pvp

[umbral crest]

But I wouldn't like if PvP was simplified gameplay wise

[gleaming pawn]

you keep bringing up tooltips that somehow don't tell you what they do in pvp

[steel scarab]

No, I don't want it simplified either

[umbral crest]

I remember shadowlands season 1 at least being like that

[gleaming pawn]

the damage in a tooltip is reflected by the pvp modifier

spells don't just work differently in pvp

[umbral crest]

I raided a bit and a lot of people felt forced to do PvP for trinkets and also early ilvls

[steel scarab]

Blind very clearly works differently in PvP than it does in PvE

[umbral crest]

Getting 1800 was easier than getting 220 gear for the first bit of the raid

[steel scarab]

And it definitely doesn't say that on the tooltip

[wintry dew]

Ive punched my table more times due to dying 3/4 times during arena sessions than while progressing the raid in heroic for 3 weeks

[gleaming pawn]

yep, pvp gets the blood running hot. Wiping in raid, even when it's dipshit #15's fault AGAIN is just sigh and go again

[umbral crest]

In PvP I question my own head and hands, when doing PvE like mythic I tend to question others 😂

[wintry dew]

This. Is. So. True.

[steel scarab]

Well that's because, in arena, you're 1 of 3 people, so you're at minimum 33% of the reason you win or fail. Versus in raid, you're like... At minimum 5% lol

[wintry dew]

Still, the point is: PvP isn't for everyone, the rewards are not good enough to make PvE players to lose braincells, and PvE community will ALWAYS beat the niche that is the PvP community

Also, don't you even think about forcing people to PvP, like shadowlands S1

[gleaming pawn]

pvp people hate being forced to pve, it's the same way around

[jolly sierra]

some days ago i was so fucked in a match than i just reclined in the chair and put my hands in the face thinking "god, fucking, dammit"

damn

but you were right with the advice of resting

glad i can still think a little without tunnel minding into rage

[wintry dew]

I wish I could follow my own advices

[jolly sierra]

at least u are fine knowing people does hear, at least sometimes

[wintry dew]

Yeah when they aren't tunnel vision too hehehe.
I've honestly decided to take a 3 month break, already paused my sub for the next season

[jolly sierra]

i see

i think can play in week 2 for s4

watching wtf is ppl using for stier

and avoiding R1

lol

[wintry dew]

I told myself that before S3 started. And as I've told before, I rushed 1800 day1 of the season, I've never fought so many glads before in my laife

[fickle nimbus]

Hello, I'm new to rogue, is this spell Tricks of the Trade and Distract used in pvp? And if so, how do you use it and why?

[jolly sierra]

bruh

can confirm w u at 1st hand

god dammit it hurted w my ret at s2 start

[stoic spruce]

Idc what pve players like. That season popped off and it was fun.

[tribal badger]

Tricks not really no, distract yes

You can turn players while mounted with it and u can interupt healer drinks

Not needed but useful to have bound somewhere

[fickle nimbus]

ty!

[narrow tangle]

season reset tomorrow?

[lucid citrus]

in 2 weeks

[potent condor]

can someone help me with pvp macros for sub

@everyone

[ebon quest]

how is rogue in pvp atm, sub specifically. still strong kill power, or nah?

[proven sapphire]

sub sucks

go next

oh u press dance? every micro cc 25 seconds+ on u

[gleaming pawn]

you act like that isn't every rogue spec

Outlaw dances or vanishes? every CC on you

people are (mostly rightfully) scared to death of outlaw dancing from the AWC

and letting a sub rogue dance is just asking for a loss

[potent condor]

i asked for help not your opinion

[jolly sierra]

lol

oof

[gleaming pawn]

I almost let fly the "then gto" but I realized he was talking to iRyte and I had to holster it

there are general rogue macros here #pvp-faq message

the only rub specific macro I can think of, would be macroing your trinket into Sec Tec

[nova viper]

bcs pvp in competetive

You will lose to another person, so you feel inferior to someone else, you see exactly the points you have lost and the "range" that could have dropped. In PVE, you simply beat mobs and hope that each of the 20 people will do one simple mechanic correctly, otherwise you will die, only wasting time.

Maybe there's something wrong with me, but I never understood the PVE phenomenon in this game xD Maybe now, when there are m+ and the game is dynamic, but literally in the "golden times of wow" these raids and dungeons in Classic/TBC/WOTLK were the state and frostbolt casting for 10 minutes

[nova viper]

Sadly true, 40yo boomers and pve andys still strong

[last jasper]

Blizzard has already thought of that. So u can rest while in 30min q

[jolly sierra]

ask my brother, he always pve and have a hate boner on rogs

also SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDD

[nova viper]

Sexoooooo

[jolly sierra]

bruh

[jolly sierra]

how went all there?

[nova viper]

Good, chillout

Sup to you?

[jolly sierra]

nice here too, reached 2k1 finally after a lot of resting

i think seriously in deposit more faith in rog for next time

[steel scarab]

@jolly sierra good job!

[jolly sierra]

thank you

[steel scarab]

It was a very tough climb for me, a lot of competition

A lot of.... Rets and warriors and demon hunters lol

[pine badge]

got the vicious moonbeast

now will swap to assa

[last jasper]

Chad

[nova viper]

gz boooy

[fading blade]

Lots of sins lately, maybe I should shoot for 2.4 on that instead of trying on law lol

[safe pelican]

Below Mid tier CR rn for shuffles on my alt but played for a while after work until i was able to put down some go pressure with muscle memory and have a solid base now to build off imo , picture was 1 round of solo shuffle killed the lock in the opener.

My current rotation I think is pumping solid dps now , gotta work on survivability now though playing assass will make me better when I go back to sub having one vanish is so me… only issue I see is once you run out the initial pressure you don’t really have much until CB kingsbane & deathmark are off CD

[surreal barn]

How is that feral so low

Oh he prob dead

[jolly sierra]

can i see your talents pls?

something i feel its wrong

[jolly sierra]

thank you dude

[jolly sierra]

ty ty, lets see if i can do the same for next season

[proven sapphire]

Does anyone have a vod of sub rogue solo

I just wanna know I can do to break 2400

I get so close then just tank

Least dmg on board

[safe pelican]

Yea I’ll send in a bit at work gimme a little bit but they are definitely trash 😂

[last jasper]

Try sub. So I can have a reason to spam in ur dm stupid questions

[jolly sierra]

nuh uh

[last jasper]

Don't you wanna get 2.4?

[jolly sierra]

no yet

[wanton breach]

may I ask why you have 3 (unbound) burst macros in your bars?

[rose wigeon]

sub overall dmg is never good, its damage profile isnt designed that way. you do HUGE damage in small windows then low sustain windows. Biggest thing as sub in SS is opening kill windows, I like landing big kidneys on offtargets or healers, and cheapshot goes on kill targets, any extra CC you can place on healer or off dps to let your team open a kill window is key. Sub plays like a surgeon, disect the team and open weak points that exploit win conditions

[jolly sierra]

oh boy i forgot to show u my crappy action bar as u asked me days ago

sorry, sec

[wanton breach]

no worries panda, I'm just curious

[last jasper]

U haven't seen mine

[jolly sierra]

DFA is a placeholder

[jolly sierra]

lets see

[wanton breach]

whats your mutilate or healthstone keybind?

and are you possibly lefthanded?

[last jasper]

idk how long it would take. feels like it stuck 😄

[jolly sierra]

i unbounded mutilate

im using fan of knives to combo

[wanton breach]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

[jolly sierra]

healthstone is ocassional, so no worries about having it unbound too

but u are right

can bind mut to a placeholder key lol

to break totems

im leaning to this corner of talents in assa

works well

[wanton breach]

i mean sometimes you don't want to aoe to not break blind/gouge or other ccs

[jolly sierra]

right, but is SS

ppl just stacks

XD

[last jasper]

true

[jolly sierra]

and ur dumb partner almost always aoe anyways

[gleaming pawn]

When I’ve been messing around on Assa, I still have Mut and FoK bound on different buttons. But my bindings are setup like that from M+ and alts with more dedicated AoE things

I would hate to not have Mut bound at all, but that’s me

[jolly sierra]

moved it

but ngl moved it away because is way more efficient w combo points gen and to avoid wasting energy by muscle memory

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah bizarrely with the current build, your main builder should be FoK and that just feels weird

[jolly sierra]

yep, its ok anyways

i like it

[last jasper]

wtf is wrong with bnet? 30 min later it updated/downloaded 50/340 mb

[nova viper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZa8HVHd6Ac

rel

[wanton breach]

why does pvp against shamans (regardless of spec) feel like a totem killing simulator

whack-a-totem

[fading blade]

Well cuz it is

[last jasper]

this is so stupid that I have a keybind specifically for it

@jolly sierra still updating this shit, lmao

[surreal barn]

You got me thinking here

I don’t believe I’ve ever disarmed a totem

Must do in next shaman shuffle

[umbral crest]

Should be able to disarm the counterstrike one

[carmine marsh]

Its been a quick minute since I have played rogue in pvp. Could someone answer why I see a lot of rogues running crimson temp with their asn builds?

[gleaming pawn]

Mut sucks as a builder in the current tuning, and talent load outs Sin uses in PvP. You should be building with FoK in most all cases except where you don’t want to break CC or you have pure single target

Crimson Tempest is not always used, only when you get the increased damage out of hitting 5+ targets. But again with the load outs used in Sin PvP, there is not any better talent to choose. So you have CT if and when you’d use it

[carmine marsh]

Interesting, thank you

[waxen meteor]

Is this week last week or next week last week for the season

pvp

[wise breach]

Next week

[jolly sierra]

what the heck

[jolly sierra]

what is the logic behind disarming not humanoid NPCS? sometimes ive disarmed pets by bad timing cuz feign

[safe pelican]

Was busy working & it’s because i have tunnel vision in between goes ( ima sub main ) it’s fixed there from my sub burst rotation so i just redid my weak auras for assassination so i know when i have full rotation off CD and when I’m just floating in between goes so i know when to focus on controlling the fight or doing dmg

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/stunlord @jolly sierra my talents lmk what i should change out before i run some shuffles tonight

[jolly sierra]

lemme see when i go to the computer

i just come back home

[safe pelican]

Copy no rush just got home myself take ya time it’s my alt rogue so excuse some of the gear

[jolly sierra]

well well well well

any reason to not picking this stuff?

[surreal barn]

The cripple and 30% less on movement can be interchanged, like vs shaman I put the 30%

[gleaming pawn]

Going for a cheesy crit KB build to try and kill during that one window

They’re a sub main so I suppose that makes sense if you treat Sin like Sub and only try to kill during a kidney+dance window

Instead of going for rot pressure on the whole team

[jolly sierra]

ye but cold blood

and not AP

[jolly sierra]

just read u

sadly it doesnt work like that in assa

xddd

[hidden moth]

LOL

this guy botting

[jolly sierra]

nah the guy is just passionate

lol

[hidden moth]

he went 1-6

[hexed pollen]

sub rogue just hit 1.2M damage in a bg to a mage friend of mine, is that possible or exploit?

i play assa so not sure

[hidden moth]

they using dmg potions plus berserk

[hexed pollen]

it was 1.2 secreat tech

[hidden moth]

i've been hit with a 1m aim shot

was it random bgs or rated?

[hexed pollen]

thats wut i thought beserk/saltwater but 1.2 from s.tech

random

[hidden moth]

yea so they can use the +30% dmg boost pot

[carmine marsh]

Is there a reason why no one uses cold blood anymore?

[random kraken]

Been enjoying assassin for world pvp and bgs, but struggling a bit keeping up with the insane arena bursts. I'm thinking of trying outlaw for a change of pace. Is it decent for pvp? Just getting back into wow after a long break.

[gleaming pawn]

For Sin, once you get to higher ratings you’re not going to cheese kill someone very often/reliably and so Tea becomes the clear option. Sin gameplay is about rot pressure with big damage every minute. But it’s also only big damage if no one answers it with CC/defensives

[carmine marsh]

Roger, that makes sense, for my purposes Ill keep CB then. Ive just been helping friends get their 1800 sets

[jolly sierra]

he then is just a kid or a teenager

who cant realize what is wrong yet

[jolly sierra]

as assa? its way too cheesy

u have better capstones, like tea or even ER

assa is sustained in dmg, not 100% bursty

[random kraken]

I do like assa constant pressure. I just have a hard time surviving the initial bursts in order to build into the KB burst macro without heals. Does outlaw have any advantages for survivability?

[lone goblet]

Outlaw defensives come back up faster because of their CD reduction

But that wouldn't help if you're dying in the first burst while cooldowns are still available.

[random kraken]

@lone goblet Yeah that makes sense. Good to know. Thanks.

[fallen scaffold]

does assa ever press envenom? 2pc

can i take off bars

or is it a filler

[potent pivot]

if you already have bleeds up/you want instant dmg for a kill

you definitely use it

[fallen scaffold]

oo ok

do i deathmark before kings?

or other way around

[potent pivot]

same as sub's Eviscerate or outlaw's Dispatch if you're familiar with the other specs at all

[fallen scaffold]

ye i pla youtlaw

but outlaw spams dispatch

so...

[potent pivot]

yeah it's just a similar type of ability

you just don't spam it quite as much

[fallen scaffold]

icic

what about deathmark/kings?

what comes first

[potent pivot]

shouldn't make a huge difference

[fallen scaffold]

ok

[potent pivot]

i'd just try to have garrote/rupture up before DM

[gleaming pawn]

Ideally you have garrote and rupture and snd up

then DM > shiv > dance+kingsbane

stunning as needed somewhere in there

[fallen scaffold]

can u craft 2 different craftable rings of the same name? like can i have a vers/crit one and a vers/mast one in my inv at same time

or 1 equiped 1 in inv

like 2 signets

[gleaming pawn]

and envenom after you KB for increased poison procs

dual crafted rings, both with vers/mastery on them

[fallen scaffold]

no i mean

can i have 2 different signets

[gleaming pawn]

you ideally want your mastery around 70%

[fallen scaffold]

1 for outlaw

and 1 for assa

[gleaming pawn]

oh, yes

as long as they are not equipped at the same time

[fallen scaffold]

sweet

whats the deal with fan of knives? just kind of a filler?

[gleaming pawn]

it's your primary builder, unless you are in a pure ST situation, or you don't want to break CC

Mut is balls

[fallen scaffold]

oh forreal

even with doomblade?

maybe i drop doomblade for crimston tempest then

[gleaming pawn]

we don't run doomblade

[fallen scaffold]

so like, dont ever press muti? frfr?

[gleaming pawn]

FoK does the same damage as Mut for half the energy cost

[fallen scaffold]

just noticed that

is there a time and play that i do press mutilate

[gleaming pawn]

like I said, if you're in a pure ST situation and dumping damage as quickly as possible into the target because of say smoke bomb or they are stuck behind a pillar, then use Mut

[fallen scaffold]

gotcha

[gleaming pawn]

but if you can hit 2+ targets with FoK, it is the better builder

[fallen scaffold]

god my damage feels fuckin ass

[jolly sierra]

lemme reply to him

[jolly sierra]

any, both can be used in separate kill windows without issues

[fallen scaffold]

you dont combine them?

also what about ambush, am i pressing this during dance if i need on demand st dmg?

[potent pivot]

ye, but can also use separately

[jolly sierra]

envenom is used when you have already rupture and snd active, and you dont need to use crimson tempest

[potent pivot]

can also get a 2nd KB off before your 2nd DM because of the cooldown length etc

[jolly sierra]

fan of knives is used as main spender depending of your build

i dropped mutilate moving it to another keybind for muscle memory, got like 400 rating doing that lol

[fallen scaffold]

lolz sihet

shieet*

[jolly sierra]

ambush, sure, you can depending of context, like killing a totem or some shit like that

you can combine both for sure, if u are sure you can kill the target

but is not adviced for burst

[fallen scaffold]

ah i c

so deathmark first on the opener then?

then just use kb within a minute

[gleaming pawn]

DM is a weak CD compared to the start of the expansion, but holding onto it does you no good

so send it when you are pushing and want CDs

people still trade for it, even though it's most of the time a lower priority trade

also I didn't see them mention it so, during dance you should be spreading empowered garrotes around and stunning people as DRs permit, to create more pressure. Dumping CPs into envenom (you should have SnD and Rupture already rolling) to buff your KB damge

[sharp sierra]

How do I fix having arena brain fatigue too quickly?

[jolly sierra]

send it in a supposed kill window

it still forces trinkets from players

try spreading empowered garrote in the shadow dance windows, putting special focus on their healers and casters, so u can cc them while are doing big damage

you are using indiscriminate carnage too if u are with an AOE build so you can just use one rupture if you have all ppl stacked

try kidneying one of their dps, if you can when they are bursting better, so you force their trinket or reduce a lot their incoming damage if they are unable to

[jolly sierra]

by sleeping

[sharp sierra]

😂

[gleaming pawn]

noooo waaaay