pvp

[fast imp]

Fake it till you make it

Players do all kinds of unexpected shit so don’t put to much time into a story that’s set in stone. Come up with a general idea and wing it from there. When they come to a fork in the road it doesn’t matter which direction they choose. They both lead to the content you’ve prepared. It’s all the illusion of choice. Kinda like wows talent trees.

[wintry dew]

LOOOOOL

I LOVE DND MY SPANISH BROTHER

Never played but I love listening to players play. Especially listening to podcasts

[jolly sierra]

YEEEEEEEEEE i play a lot w my friends lol but a part turned into pvp

with a friend of mine and me we got mad with another pal's bf so we are researching a little ways to incap with dexterity and strength

(i play rogue ofc so im asking for the dexterity CCs lol)

basically said he beat us both just because got a lot of lucky rolls in our session

https://tenor.com/view/moulinquinn-nick-miller-new-girl-crack-knuckles-gif-17840093523735677965

its funny af anyways the game

[wintry dew]

If you ever want to give it a go, try to listen to "Dungeons and daddies season 1" in Spotify, I'm telling you, you won't regret it

[jolly sierra]

sure, will do it when i have more time

meanwhile i can search a little (5 minutes)

[wintry dew]

I swear to god is the most fun thing ever

"Season 1 is about four dads from our world flung into a land of high fantasy and magic in a quest to rescue their lost sons. Season 2 is about their grandkids who are tasked with fixing the world their grandparents kinda jacked up."

[jolly sierra]

would watch it later tho

now im researching if something like rising sun kick as an action counts for dexterity

[jolly sierra]

my DM authorized using RSK to KO ppl w dexterity

she asked for a persuasion roll damn

[mighty nimbus]

what's the optimal sub opener to maximize dps output ?

[wintry dew]

Roll a natural 20

(I don't know @mighty nimbus)

[jolly sierra]

maybe going outlaw (rolling dices)

[spring bough]

been heavy into my fistweaver since yesterday and woke up for a nice 6-0 on him did 5 milly damage for one round in solo LOL

[spring bough]

i found some MW on youtube that does fistweaving and he had a slight change to the meta build on murloc and i havent lost a match since i changed to it LOL

[wintry dew]

You've been hitting people in the face to heal the other two guys that should also be hitting people in the face

[spring bough]

i have never played a legit heal class before like priest lol

i like that i can DPS and not cast a single heal lmao

[stoic spruce]

When do we get a pistol vest mog

Gimme one of these bad boys

I need

You KNOW the art team would deliver too

[gleaming pawn]

don't worry, they'll make one to go with the other bandoliers but it will be a cape mog and be on your back

[stoic spruce]

That's so lame

[spring bough]

imagine FTH visuals was pulling off 3 guns from your chest for each pistol shot lol

[surreal barn]

Does myk stream at all

I kinda want to see how he plays bonespike no kingsbane

No crimson tempest either

[chrome schooner]

You just spend every Dance global on Garrotes & Cheap Shots to enable your team more and then you just play the exact same way

Bleed people & stuff, you just include SBS in the rotation to buff your other bleeds by 2% and get east Combo Points

[surreal barn]

Thanks.

[jolly sierra]

ill KO that guy in dnd w this shit and dexterity rolls lol

[steel scarab]

Man, it is so hard to progress past 1950 in SS. The queue is so long (15-20 mins per match + the time of the actual match) means the wait time and the downtime is just so painful. And since the downtime between matches is so long, I find myself unable to stay "warmed up" by the time the next match pops 20 minutes later. Maybe I'm just suffering from old age. Anyone have any suggestions?

I feel like, as Assassination, we're so fragile that if I waste a single defensive or make a single mistake, I just lose. And my matches tend to go super long

[pliant mauve]

I feel you. Around the same rating and after nearly 2 hours and 4 matches I logged off gaining 1 cr. Not to mention in my last match to get 4/6 the guy who was 5/6 dies in the opener. I think I might just get in to gardening or something.

[fast imp]

Just do 2s or 3s, much quicker ques.

[stoic spruce]

Honestly

You get sooo many people to apply by putting chill in your title

I wait no longer than 5 minutes at all brackets

[fast imp]

Yeah. There’s a lot of people out there that just wanna enjoy PvP and not be berated the first time shit goes wrong.

[halcyon timber]

That’s actually sick and would be cool af

[outer sky]

Is my healer just trolling? I know arena isnt all about damage but I feel like we shouldnt lose when the damage breakdown looks like this

Here's healing

Like on what planet do we lose this match

[radiant glen]

1. BM hunter is a bit buggy on details, look at healing done. Ur priest wouldn't be able to do 10 mil healing if the bm wasnt dealing 10m dmg
2. How u trade cds and play around freezing trap in the hunter 2s matchup is infinitely more important
3. How much of ur dmg is bladeflurry on pets

not flaming but theres way way too much going on in a game to just link details and say ur healer isnt able to keep up

[stoic spruce]

I bet money all that dam is bf pad on pets

[sick wasp]

its mostly about dmg in shuffle and some cc but there are many factors that can make u lose,linking meters is basicly making u jump into false assumptions

try thinking better how u died and why

then evaluate the dmg parameter

[jolly sierra]

this xmog looks nice

but it fades in color without sunlight

coomer guild

[spring bough]

low rating climb on my fistweaver was too ridiculous. losing 4-2 to a bot healer cause the dps cant read "go healer" lmfaooooo

priest would come out each round to the same spot and cast the same abilities in almost the same order lmao

[surreal barn]

Most healers need to see a therapist 2x a week

Hope you have good insurance

[gleaming pawn]

If I'm not cursing some jackass from my solo shuffle queue having ever been born, then I wasn't healing that day

[spring bough]

I just went 3/6 for KBs on a lobby. Touch is fun as hell 😂

Some lobbies DPS make me want to scream it’s so bad lol

I just try to stay on healer all game and it’s fun asf to mess with them

[gleaming pawn]

as a disc priest alt, you're the devil lol

[spring bough]

lmfaooo went 2/2 touched for KBs and the healer left before round 3

[torpid garden]

anyone else done millions of damage to destro locks despite there health not MOVING!?!?!

[gleaming pawn]

they have two major CDs, shield and a wall

try not to blow CDs into them if you can help it

[steel scarab]

Why do destro locks have huge defensive cooldowns? What the hell happened to cloth wearers who rain down fire and brimstone being, you know, squishy?

[jolly sierra]

do u remember they buffed their armor value?

[fast imp]

I don’t recall locks ever being squishy

[jolly sierra]

destro were in early xp in melee lobbies

[sick wasp]

havent laughed this much in a while :😂

[visual inlet]

Can anyone refer to me some weak auras and add-ons for tracking buffs, RtB buffs, and UI that works with elvui? and is there a better way to track when u get the max combo points reset from a between the eyes proc? I feel like I waste GCD cuz I end up spamming sinister strike before I even hear the reload sounds goes off

Planning on Lvling a outlaw rogue from scratch on emerald dream, trying to main it for pvp and fun and to relearn how to play outlaw... but I can't get the min-max ideology out of my head I keep ending up leaning towards either night elf or kul Tiran but for vanity sake I wanna look good any suggestions and to convince me to play without being either of those 2 races?

[north rain]

Do you normally stare at a wall all day for entertainment

[sick wasp]

when i cant do anything else at work i kinda do

[steel scarab]

@jolly sierra yes, I dislike that they did that. Destroys class identity

[nova viper]

sexoooo

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOOOOO

how much time need to pass till we can exchange this shits for gold?

[jolly sierra]

so guys, im looking for new plans for SS after a plunderstorm break

should i just pounce to the enemy healer and beat him down?

[gilded gulch]

warlocks have always been tanks

[steel scarab]

@gilded gulch when have destruction warlocks ever been tanks?

Forgive my ignorance if I'm wrong, but I only played Vanilla, TBC, WOTLK, SL, and now DF and they weren't tanks in any of those.

Soul Link Warlocks, sure, but not destruction

[gilded gulch]

they were tanks in sl

[stoic spruce]

They're tanks now

[tribal badger]

idk i feel like destro warlocks have been tanky for a very long time

the difference is usually when a class is tanky it means u dont train it

destros thing is usually ur forced to train it despite it being tanky because if u dont it will kill ur whole team + ur boss, dog and mum

[surreal barn]

They do die though

[jolly sierra]

i ended 2-4

[surreal barn]

I really hate missing a kick on a Destro tho

[jolly sierra]

4 druids in the fucking match

[surreal barn]

They take you to pound town

[jolly sierra]

screwed all my dots

cuz the guys likes to cc random persons in DR

[surreal barn]

It gets so out of sync sometimes with them clones

[gleaming pawn]

@jolly sierra That can be your switch up, play Outlaw and no longer care about dots 🙂

[jolly sierra]

fuck it i dont care if is just for a match

ill go to the next one

[jolly sierra]

with just 1, sure

but

3

or nonono

2 in ur team

[nova viper]

Outlaw is bis and super fun

ngl

[winter seal]

Can anyone see on ptr if they’re changing the colors at all for the pvp sets for s4

[pale storm]

I checked and couldn’t see the s4 pvp set or the new raid set in the appearances tab, I also couldn’t see the s4 tabard, however can get the link from wowhead for that

Looks like a recolor of the s2 glad tabard but similar to s3 glad mount colors :/

[surreal barn]

Ugly

[jolly sierra]

yeah is fugly

hope the weps are decent or something

but tbh im happy w s1 one

hard to match but very rewarding when u find the right xmog

[narrow tangle]

probably most of ur dmg is blade flurry to pets

[weary pumice]

What do you kick in priority against destro? Chaos Bolt?

[surreal barn]

immolate

[weary pumice]

It gives them free chaos bolt right ? I mean instant

[surreal barn]

Not embarrassed to say but… idk

I just know they get more immolates off I die easier

And I see chaos bolts raining down afterwards 😂

[weary pumice]

Aha ok ty for answer

[surreal barn]

I feel like it’s pretty easy to line a chaos bolt too. But if I see a chaos bolt coming at my face yeah it’s getting kicked

@sick wasp it’s immolate/fear right?

[sick wasp]

depends but immolate if they wanna set up ye

i normally blanket fear but im playing mage in arenas now

[surreal barn]

A good lock will fear you before the setup to make you waste that kick

[sick wasp]

the reaction/response i can have to chaos bolts and inc dmg is ok as a mage,got double barrier and cauterize

yeah

and even coil u to F u up

its kinda the only srs disrupts they got outside that random infernal procs they got

[granite ermine]

Figured i'd try my hands on rogue, outlaw, in pvp ss/3v3. Any tips for a noob? Never played a rogue in pvp before, been hovering 2.1-2.2k in ss and 3s on various other dps classes though. 🙂

[wanton breach]

holy crap that tabard is ugly

[surreal barn]

they weren’t even trying

[wanton breach]

they just randomly selected 3 pastel colours and called it a day

[wanton breach]

elemental shaman is fu to play against

oneshot from 80% hp

[tawny kestrel]

thats noob check buddy

u just need to kick it

no big deal

[north rain]

was it really teh hardest youd laughed in awhile

im struggling!

[sick wasp]

you can fuk off now

[sick wasp]

Hey my man,what would u pick to kill vs Enh/Feral/Priest in 3s?

(im playing mage 2.1-2.2 range)

feral right?

[tawny kestrel]

yeah

[sick wasp]

having a hard time to cast anything between bash/shocks/totems n stuff

no fakecast to proc i basicly am a training dummy

[wanton breach]

true, i should have used deadl throw silence :/

[stoic spruce]

Let's fuk on

[stoic spruce]

Pro tip, if anyone is struggling to push in solo shuffle, just train healer. Chances are, your opponents will just let you W key at their healer.

[spring bough]

has blizz ever mentioned anything about trying to fix que times for dps for solo? been queing more as a fistweaver and dpsing cause its instant ques versus waiting 25min to an hour lol

[tribal badger]

well theres only so much they can do it fix it

the problem is u need to attract more healers to the game

which means u need to make the meta more friendly to healers

which is not an easy thing to do

[frigid spade]

Anyone have this issue often 😭

[gleaming pawn]

This is also extremely unfun for most of the community. When healers are gods, or even just OP, then every match is 10min+ long and nothing dies until deep dampening and who runs out of mana

[spring bough]

we should just all go fistweaver lol

took me just two days of casual to get 1800 lmao

and you can just smash dps and almost not worry about heals LOL

[gleaming pawn]

But I loathe monk gameplay ☹️

[spring bough]

i cast my cocoon and that is about it on another player most of the time im just smashing dps buttons on someone lol

[gleaming pawn]

Shuffle queues though will never get better. Might even die when solo rbg comes out

[spring bough]

love hitting a 4 proc blackout kick and watch people go from 50% to 100% in one button lol

[gleaming pawn]

Because the casual healers that are in SS now, will probably move over solo rbg

[spring bough]

is that coming out for season 4?

[gleaming pawn]

Probably not until War Within

They have been making tweaks to Blitz in preparation for making it solo rbg, but they didn’t say it was coming in s4 and I would assume they want at least another season of data and balancing (they JUST made CTF maps available to everyone not just tanks) before releasing it

[stoic spruce]

I unironically believe that they need to be OP and DPS players just have to deal with it

[gleaming pawn]

I can understand that pov, but every season healers have been OP+ has been a universally hated season. Not even the healers enjoy it, because their gameplay switches to trying to sneak drinks and just snoozing through matches until dampening

and the longer the dampening meta extends, the stronger cancer comps like lock/mage/monk get

and fuck the return of teams like Cloud9

but on the bright side, at least with solo rbg, the dps queue times will in theory be less painful than SS

until healers get uppity in SRBG and stop queuing there too

then at that point when that game mode eventually fails too, Blizz might finally pivot to no healer SS but everyone not playing a bust spec will hate that too

round and round we'll go

[surreal barn]

Players that leave often should get a 5% damage/healing cut. Call it something funny too

[gleaming pawn]

is it LoL, or maybe DotA? That puts leavers into a queue with other leavers moving forward

I'd be down for that coming to WoW

[stoic spruce]

on the opposite side, you can argue its worse when theyre in the state they are in shuffle.

[narrow tangle]

i wonder

what happens if you try literally %100 pve in arena as sub

like literal raid/m+ dps rotation

its probably not a good idea but im curious how would it look

[steel scarab]

You would get CC'ed during Dance and then probably die

[low karma]

i must have a very low iq bc its impossible to keep my rotation going while also focusing on cc'ing 3 other targets in arena w/macros and watching their CD's and DR on Gladius at the same time.

i peak at 1900 solo shuffle

[unborn void]

Target dummy until you don’t even have to think of your rotation

[sick wasp]

depends if there is a healer or the comp

we kinda pve locks

and shammies

there were seasons that rogues would que 2s-3s as sin and just pve

especially when meta is with lock/war/sham

[narrow tangle]

maybe you're not used to it, practise harder

[narrow tangle]

that's what i thought, some specs can be actually pve'd with sub, and people wouldn't expect sub to do decent dps, im gonna try on rss

just for lulz

[sick wasp]

yeah sub isnt rly a pve specc to begin with,has a bursty profile perfect to utilize for arena

pve is kinda connected with uptime,needs uptime

hence sin

times change though 😛

but in general ye,sub fights better coz u can have huge amounts of dmg on smaller windows,cross cc with dance etc

[polar geode]

How do you guys deal with havoc DHs in a 1v1 situation? It seems almost impossible to solo those as a sub rogue atm.

[sick wasp]

if u got trackers to track netherwalk thats where u should clos/vanish if he presses to stay offensive

step kidney and punish him with blades

but its pretty situational

in arena ild say it favors sub mostly a 1v1

[polar geode]

Yeah that's what I do and almost always I get the upper hand up until let's say 10-20% of max hp. Seems like they just stop taking damage after a certain point.

[sick wasp]

basicly he cant atk if netherwlak is acitve

just so u know

u either sprint clos to reset

if he cancels aura then u vanish and wipe the floor with his face

most dhs die on a stun

always

if u take his trinket,clear the drs and murder him

be sure to step kidney to land the stun

and last but not least,dont wait to react on his mongol onslaught,try and have the initiative

having pressure is very big

all u need to take is a trinket

[polar geode]

Thanks for tips. Going to try to implement those ideas to my gameplay.

[sick wasp]

in all,u need to personally judge how situations might shift,those are just general guidelines

[polar geode]

Got it

[waxen meteor]

can lego charge work in arena

[jolly sierra]

yes it does

BTW had a healer on my SS which refused to move w me

so in the next round went to him and thrashed him alone

XD

third one refused to move too but i moved back

fourth one a dps left

[wintry dew]

Yes but it's shit

[jolly sierra]

not that shit

its good as a finisher when the guy is just running away

[wintry dew]

it stunlocks you for 3 seconds

its really meh

[jolly sierra]

yeah that is the biggest flaw

but the lego is still good against stealth reset specs or NEs

[stoic spruce]

Do not use the on use

[jolly sierra]

u can still have the dot

[stoic spruce]

No

[jolly sierra]

yes

is passive

[stoic spruce]

The on use

Not the leggo

[jolly sierra]

i was talking about the dot now

[stoic spruce]

Okay well

Whatever

I'm right

RAHHH

[jolly sierra]

me smash

[stoic spruce]

It's been a while since I gatekept

Get outa here rogue rerollers

This is rogue territory

[stoic spruce]

Literally me when I play against a rogue on my uhdk

And they attempt to vanish

Hit em with that epi

[pine badge]

hey, how come cold blood is better than thistle tea?

i understand 100% crit chance every 45 s, but would it not be better to have 100% more energy for move usage across that time?

[narrow tangle]

i rly enjoy plunderstorm

[sick wasp]

u basicly dont need energy regen of any short in arena

maybe some basic stuff but

CB is too powerful to miss

[jolly sierra]

he left the discord

[sick wasp]

was here when i replied but oh well

[jolly sierra]

seems like the guy demanded a perfect response lol

[sick wasp]

like wasnt that good enough

[jolly sierra]

dont bother in the next time, some newcomers doesnt bother in giving greetings and just ask without giving anything in exchange, neither a thank you lol

[sick wasp]

Always good to be polite but that died long ago

the urge to help wins everything else

[jolly sierra]

damn dood

be more selfish, is good at some point to keep ur sanity intact

(enough amount to dont look like a prick)

[sick wasp]

i can be that as well,its just a choice

😉

[nova viper]

Seeeeeexo

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

[nova viper]

Sup my booy

[jolly sierra]

getting money here in the job and was practising w the yugioh cards lol

[jolly sierra]

what bout u dood?

[nova viper]

Chill in home

[stoic spruce]

Guys

How do I submit a bug?

I seen a frost dk

No way that's intentional

[jolly sierra]

niiice

[jolly sierra]

buy a lottery ticket

[sharp sierra]

lol

😄

[jolly sierra]

[wintry dew]

[polar geode]

Why are Indemnity footwraps instead of gesticulation BIS (pvp) gear? One would think that mastery from the latter would be more valuable than crit. For a sub rogue that is!

[wintry dew]

The embelishment

[polar geode]

They have the same embelishment, but now that I take my head outta my ass, I see that the other one in fact is a cloth item. 🤦‍♂️

That being said: nevermind lol

[wintry dew]

Now you know :3

[jolly sierra]

kek

[pine badge]

hey all. playing sub pvp. i find that i have a decent burst (110-140k dps) and then it trickles down quickly afterwards (to around 40-60k dps) once cooldowns have expired. is this normal for sub?

additionally, i have set macros to cast my offensive cooldowns when i use filler / combo point generating moves. is this something i should be doing? i figured pairing

/cast symbols of death and
/ cast gloomblade

would maximise damage as my offensive CDs are consistently up

[wintry dew]

Yes.

[pine badge]

yes to both?

[wintry dew]

No.

xD

Okay so

[pine badge]

hmmm fair enough

hahahaha

[wintry dew]

Sub is a burst class

you're not supposed to be dealing dmg outside your Burst windows

So you shouldnt, AFAIK, be using symbols just because its off CD

You should pair symbols with Shadowdance everytime

[pine badge]

would it be worth having a macro that triggers all offensive cd’s at once? like:

/cast symbols of death
/cast shadow blades
/cast cold blood
etc.

and link this to the shadow dance?

[wintry dew]

remove coldblood out of the equiation, and maybe add the trinket

[pine badge]

no problem. how come i leave that out of the equation?

[wintry dew]

Are you playing Sec tech?

[pine badge]

wouldn’t it just stack another offensive cd to support burst?

[pine badge]

sorry i’m quite new - what is sec?

[wintry dew]

Secret technique

[pine badge]

oh yes

secret technique

yes i am playing it

[wintry dew]

I haven't pvped since the start of the season, BUT we used to send SecTec with coldblood 100% of the time. Then there was a eviscerate spam build going around but i didnt quite like it

So i've got this :
#showtooltip Secret Technique
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Secret Technique

and
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Symbols of Death
/cast Verdant Gladiator's Badge of Ferocity

[pine badge]

ok, so i was looking into this and i had a question: wouldn’t it be better to use the shadow-based offensive CDs with sectech because it’s a shadow based move?

[wintry dew]

Yeah youll use sectec in shadowdance always

But what if

you pop CDS and shadowstrike?

there goes your Coldblood

[pine badge]

that’s a very good point, i forgot that cold blood was a single use CD whereas the rest have timers that can last the entire shadowdanxe

here’s another question - what is my role in sub when i am not dealing burst dmg?

is it as simple as waiting for another go?

[wintry dew]

Cc'ing and peeling

[pine badge]

ok - what is peeling?

[wintry dew]

or just running away

[pine badge]

i am familiar with this

[wintry dew]

you play 2s or 3s or shuffles?

[pine badge]

shuffles mostly, 2s next

1100 in shuffles and 1400 in 2s

[wintry dew]

Okay lets say you see your healer being run down by their 2 dps's and you dont have DMG (your CDS) yet

What do you do?

[pine badge]

i assume i CC

[wintry dew]

You can throw a gouge, a stun, a shiv to slow them right?

[pine badge]

yes

should i have shiv talented for that reason?

[wintry dew]

important btw, huge slow

For some matchups yes

[wintry dew]

Thats peeling. You're Helping your teammates survive

[pine badge]

ok, so should i be peeling?

i think i understand the difference now.

peeling aims to keep your teammates alive, whereas cc’ing allows enemies to be vulnerable for attack?

[pine badge]

thanks, i’ll talent it now

[wintry dew]

Pretty much. Do you know whats CC DR's?

[pine badge]

yes, i know that CC’s do have DRs but i don’t know which CCs DRs affect each other

specifically i don’t know how to line them up next to each other to maximise stun time

[wintry dew]

Let me tag a brother in arms that will most likely be of more help than me since i've been away from the pvp scene for months

@jolly sierra get yo ass over here

[wintry dew]

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Diminishing_returns

[pine badge]

thanks mate i greatly appreciate it

[wintry dew]

look at the stuns / incapacitates / disorients

[pine badge]

should i be using rupture at all?

[wintry dew]

Outside burst windows to my knowledge but i don't want to mislead you, i'm not sure.

[pine badge]

no worries

and is it safe to assume i should be using the wowhead talent tree? even though it doesn’t provide both thistle tea and cold blood?

[wintry dew]

Since you're dmg is done in like 6seconds (shadowdance duration)

[wintry dew]

Don't look at wowhead for pvp stuff

[pine badge]

noted

[wintry dew]

Murlok.io is probably the best place to check pvp related stuff

[pine badge]

also, is it safe to assume that as a rogue i shouldn’t be looking at trying to do top dmg in an arena or bg?

[wintry dew]

once you understand how to understand the information

[wintry dew]

yes

[pine badge]

it is more a utility based class as i am starting to understand

[pine badge]

ok, i'll take a look at this resource now to try and find a talent tree

[wintry dew]

for stats, thats what you're aiming +/-

[pine badge]

i was smart enough to prioritise this. am wearing full conquest atm

[wintry dew]

The build that is being played by MOST at top 50 isnt the one i used to play

Which leads me to believe they are not focusing in big Sectech dmg but in good spammable eviscerate builds

[wintry dew]

https://murlok.io/rogue/subtlety/solo?top-ratings=1#talents-class
There you can check what most use as rogue talents and if you scroll down a bit, what they also use for spec talents

[pine badge]

thanks very much for showing me this, i'm looking at these talents and starting to understand them a bit more

i greatly appreciate your time, mate. have been here a little bit but can say you're the only one that has granted me the time of day. i am grateful for your input.

[wintry dew]

No worries man, i try my best to give good info away, unless i'm not sure about what i'm saying, therefore i tagged Panda.

[pine badge]

that's alright man, you've led me on to some good areas and have answered some questions i havent been able to answer myself

[wintry dew]

Also, although somewhat hard, you can watch this guy play and take your own conclusions: (trying to find it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsxeEdXT8Lk

He's even live RN

Oh but he's playing outlaw rn

[pine badge]

i have tried all 3 classes. i can understand why outlaw is used for PvE, those moves proc for fun i think. but sub has always been my go to - i'm glad that i do not have to worry on dmg but i can stray away from that and find use in utility

peeling and cc'ing outside of burst dmg. safe to assume that i have to use burst in a smart way? as in, when it may secure the win? and aim to cc or peel otherwise?

[wintry dew]

https://www.youtube.com/live/PQmbw3Tfpmg?si=UMbvAwGslwL9Bf1V&t=8180 found a vod with a timestamp where he's playing as sub

[jolly sierra]

what im in job

[wintry dew]

You can use your bursts in different ways: To kill, to force healer trinket or to even force your kill target trinket

[wintry dew]

Oh my man go to work then, i pinged you so you could clear some PvP questions related to Sub in arena

[jolly sierra]

np can reply anyways

[pine badge]

i appreciate the time

[jolly sierra]

i fucked my ankle by falling down so im taking rest

filled it w napkins to keep walking

[wintry dew]

Honestly Miguel, im better at transmogging than PvPing, only reached dueslist (2100 once) and mostly a 1800-1950 player

[jolly sierra]

tell me a summary and can answer

[pine badge]

with DRs, to stack them, i shouldn't be using two of the same type, right? so i go from sap (incapacitate) to cheap (stun) to (something else) then kidney?

[pine badge]

no worries mate, what you have provided me so far is great

[wintry dew]

Cheap = kidney, they both stuns

[pine badge]

ah yep, so don't stack them together then

[wintry dew]

Miguel was worrying he should be doing more consistent dmg outside of his CDs

Thats how we started the conversation anyway

[pine badge]

yes. developed into macros, purpose(s) of sub as well

[jolly sierra]

then, what do you need to answer now? stuns?

[pine badge]

yes, using them to maximise length

[jolly sierra]

ur purpose is as a CC bot

u stun, cc, incap, burst run

then repeat after DR is over

[pine badge]

so during the running part when CDs and DRs are still refreshing, what do i do? just chill in stealth?

[jolly sierra]

if u force a trinket ur chances to win are huge af

yes

[pine badge]

does that mean i leave my 2s partner to fend for themselves v 2 people?

or do i involve myself in some capacity

[jolly sierra]

ur partner need to run too

[pine badge]

oh shit true, ok

[jolly sierra]

u are not warriors

so u need to kite a lot

[pine badge]

are there any addon's you'd recommend so that i can manage what is going on better? keeping track of my stuns, cds, etc?

[jolly sierra]

dismish addon

[pine badge]

i find that i am quite bad with kick interrupts as i can never tell when the opponent is about to cast something i need to kick

dismish, ok, noted. i'll look into it now

[jolly sierra]

and ability team tracker

gladiatorlosa2

[pine badge]

dismish or diminish*

[jolly sierra]

dismiSH

[pine badge]

oh sweet, ok let me look at that

[jolly sierra]

k

[pine badge]

thanks mate

i appreciate the advice

[pine badge]

can't seem to find this on curseforge

[jolly sierra]

lemme see

[wintry dew]

probably this one?

[jolly sierra]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/diminishingreturns

is this one

[wintry dew]

was below the one i thought it was

[pine badge]

ah, ok, no problem

thanks mate

will look to get that one in asap

[jolly sierra]

k

[wintry dew]

Thanks Panda, i'll keep sending new pvpers your way

[jolly sierra]

the filler worked i dont feel my pain anymore for now

u welcome

[pine badge]

thank you too as well mate

[pine badge]

any addons that will tell me when to kick or interrupt by any chance? heard that might be weak auras or something

[jolly sierra]

ur brain, need to know the important cds from people

but gladiatorlosa2 announces the big cds

for example if u interrupt stuff like chaos bolt and hand of guldan u can fuck up lock damage

[pine badge]

ah yep, that one came pre installed

[jolly sierra]

if u interrupt a holy priest u can interrupt their entire healing

[pine badge]

yep, chaos bolt i have learned to target

[pine badge]

this is useful. thanks mate

[jolly sierra]

cuz most of their healing school is holy

if u interrupt a mage try interrupting both polymorph or their spec magic school (frost, fire) so they cant do too much dmg

if u wanna troll them without using the kick gouge them then kick

[pine badge]

bait the trinket?

[pine badge]

also, should i be using rupture/slice and dice/shiv?

looked at one of the talent trees on murlok io @wintry dew and it doesn't spec shiv - unsure if that affects peel significantly

[wintry dew]

I would say that it's because it's solo shuffle and you should save yourself but I don't really know, xD

[jolly sierra]

gouge their casts

[jolly sierra]

idk about the damage in sub

[pine badge]

ok no problem. last question i think - i have the lucid set - is there any way to get more mastery? i'm sitting at 50% right now

ilvl 454, full purple conquest / vault gear with enchants

i assume it will have to be dream craft?

and bg's are pretty much a write off i assume

[pine badge]

does rupture, slice and dice, or shiv typically fit into the pvp rot?

trying out this new set. thanks lads, looks great. and not bad on dmg too

[jolly sierra]

with crafted gear u get more mastery

and engineer gear

[pine badge]

leatherworking worth it?

i'm at 62 - figuring whether or not i should get to 100 etc.

[wintry dew]

In theory, you dont need to think much about that, if you only PvP

Because the pvp items come with a fixed PvP ilevel, doesnt matter the quality on the PvE counterpart

[pine badge]

i see - i was under the impression that leatherworking could craft better PvP gear?

[wintry dew]

I'm maxed LW, it doesnt matter for the PvP part

[pine badge]

also - i am finding it insanely difficult to make money with leatherworking. is that because we're late into the expansion/season? or is it typically torrid to make money with

oh nice, how in the world did you manage that? was it work orders or just spending shit tonnes of gold on AH for resources?

[wintry dew]

Negative, i've been leveling LW since start S1, its been maxed for almost 2 seasons

[pine badge]

copy

[wintry dew]

Also, i did more gold during S1 than S2 and 3 combined

I was doing max rank PvE crafts for 30k gold

Rn if you ask for 10k people tell you to K*S

Also, speaking of crafting PvP items. What it means is:

• Crafting Life-bound gear with

That item can be bought in the Conquest (?) vendor

[pine badge]

yes! that's what i was thinking of

damn you're good at the game. so yeah, i can imbue pieces with a verdant trophy?

[wintry dew]

Exactly

[wintry dew]

Not good enough, just have been playing for far too long

[pine badge]

cool - what is the best wya to get 100 LW? (am i req'd to spend tons of gold?)

[wintry dew]

Work orders

on lifebound items

or the mail counterpart

They award a skill point i believe up to 100

And i've done my fair share of them

IF you have alts, you can in theory craft S1 items (up to 5?)

With sparks of ingenuity

[pine badge]

would you recommend i save my knowlege pts for s4?

[wintry dew]

negative

I don't think they will add more stuff for you to put points on during s4

And i still have 25 points hanging around for months

[placid cloak]

what to do as outlaw vs mage?

any mage

[pine badge]

noted

what is the best method to leveling up LW when no work orders come through?

[pine badge]

is there an optimal point distrib for LW?

[pine badge]

unsure, haven't played outlaw in pvp

[wintry dew]

I personally have maxed this ones first:

then started distributing points on the singular pieces like 5/5/5/5/5 or 10/10/10/10, just in order to make them possible to reach max quality with inspiration procs

[pine badge]

thanks, will look to max these out first. are you also a skinner? do you farm your own mats?

[wintry dew]

I am indeed, maxed aswell, but i never went out of my way to farm stuff, mostly buying off the AH

usually just need materials if the workorder i was doing didnt proc inspiration, therefore got 4* instead of 5*. So i'd go buy mats and recraft it again with my own gold because what i was being paid was more tha enough to cover the cost of me getting aditional mats

[pine badge]

i see what you mean

so you'd recommend leveling to 100 via work orders? i assume i need a funnel at this point?

[wintry dew]

I never thought about it untili was 100 already, you can't really funnel it unless you have alts to send yourself workorders

[pine badge]

do you reckon there's still work going around for me to reliably level 40+?

[wintry dew]

at my alt rogue im 60 already without crafting anything special

and RN the only way for me to go up is

Be sure to do your weekly Workorders quest + LW trainer quest, free points. Oh and gather all the specialization points scattered around DF zones

[pine badge]

i didn't even know there were quests... i assume i just pick these up weekly? had no idea there were workorder quests either.... and don't get me started about spec points. not a clue. i guess coming back after 8 years does change a lot

[wintry dew]

This conversation is moving away the PVP part a lil bit too much, would you mind if we moved it to #1170654455973294110 ? Its a thread under Tmog channel we use to talk random stuff

[pine badge]

let's go

[pine badge]

starting to understand arenas

i burst then cc healer?

[wintry dew]

Usually the other way around

[pine badge]

re: [life bound cap] how do i increase the ilvl after crafting

[wintry dew]

If you cc the healer before bursting the DPS, you will force:

• a) healer trinket and CDs;
• b) DPS trinket and CDs;
• c) both

[pine badge]

i see

do i want to cc the healer immediately after arena starts?

[wintry dew]

Usually a sap is the go to

Sap into burst the dps

You can sap --> stun --> blind

[pine badge]

sap healer > burst dps > (when sap finishes) stun healer > attack dps > gouge healer > blind healer?

[wintry dew]

Usually you add the pvp reagent on the craft.
If you already crafted it w/o said reagent, you'll need a lw to REcraft it for you

[wintry dew]

That works yes, assuming you are doing the whole cc chain without your partners help

[pine badge]

i see. the pvp reagent increases lv to 489 in bg's. have seen the base ilvl be 463? is that possible?

[wintry dew]

Base ilvl doesn't matter

[pine badge]

i see. is it necessary for me to memorise the types of stuns that are used so that i don't chain them on top of my partner's?

[wintry dew]

Yeah kinda. But in solo shuffle it's a clownfiesta and I find it hard to play well with sub there due to the random teammates aspect.
DH/Monk/warr have an AoE stun, dh/warr have a ST stun, etc etc

[pine badge]

ok, fair enough. i am out here thinking solo is where i should be performing

but i guess in 2s it's better for the combo because you can track everything

[wintry dew]

2s with a mage is the perfect scenario

Mage has a lot of peels so you can restealth and prepare for the next cc/burst

[pine badge]

have been playing with my pally mate. not a bad option either

two melee is a commitment though

[wintry dew]

Pally pretty cool aswell, has a lot of ways to save you

[pine badge]

yep. thanks for the tips, i reckon i can practice the formula in solos and try to apply it in 2s

the burst dmg for sub is insane. what’s assa like?

[wintry dew]

Yeah 2s is way more scripted with a premade than solos with random teammates

[pine badge]

more consistent dmg?

[wintry dew]

Yeah

[jolly sierra]

a good ret can do miracles

[wintry dew]

A lot of pressure DMG on a lot of people

[jolly sierra]

cuz will use their support toolkit on u

[pine badge]

hit 1400 in 2s but most definitely have been carried

am aiming for the vicious moonbeast honestly now

[pine badge]

fair enough. how does assa play different to sub?

[wintry dew]

Aim for 1800 at least

[pine badge]

what’s at 1800?

[jolly sierra]

with a healer

mandatory 100%

[pine badge]

have been told that sub had better survival than other classes?

[jolly sierra]

double vanish do a lot

and double shadow dance with soothing healing shit

[wintry dew]

You receive the elite TMOG by reaching certain rating threshold's. At 1800 you get the final 2 transmog pieces of the set (head & shoulders)

[pine badge]

have experimented with a
/cast cloak of shadows
/cast vanish

works well but spends more than necessary sometimes

[pine badge]

nice. will take a look at trying to get up there

[pine badge]

yes i’ve loved the two charges

[jolly sierra]

here the xmog

(the head suck cock)

[pine badge]

nice. you all 1800?

[wintry dew]

Yeah I usually play to 1800 and call it a season and go grind PvE stuff

[jolly sierra]

yes

[pine badge]

damn. do you typically bring a partner or?

[wintry dew]

Mostly randoms for me

[pine badge]

i find it tough to find a 2s partner without knowing anyone

maybe that’s my rating based

[wintry dew]

This season (3) was my personal record. Season started, I did 10 matches of solo shuffle and reached 1800 the day the season started.

[pine badge]

jesus christ

how is rating determined in shuffle?

dmg output and /6 wins?

or just wins

[wintry dew]

Wins and mmr

There were matches I'd getting rating even when going 2-4

But I was playing with a lot of gladiators because it was day 1

So maybe I got lucky and since my WR was positive I was getting pretty good rating each match

Let me check my last win before 1800

16/11

But at that point I was already at my MMR (1800)

[pine badge]

what is mmr?

[jolly sierra]

matchmaking rating

its to match you with similar rating people

or better if you are into a streak

[pine badge]

true

[sick wasp]

mmr is based on the win/loss ratio

the more u win the more u play with better ppl

fun fact : There are ppl that actually ''mmr sink'' to cap

[pine badge]

nice

leagues of difference in bg’s i’m finding to just crush ppl. arenas are significantly more difficult

[sick wasp]

arenas and specifically 3v3

is where the true pvp is made

[pine badge]

noted

[sick wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcKeDgCBlbs meanwhile in mageland

[umbral crest]

Hey, relatively new rogue player here wondering about the sub openers etc

Got back to the game a few weeks ago and went with rogue, been doing some shuffle and 2s with a WW friend and while things are progressing well enough I still feel like sub would be leagues better for 2s but the openers specifically seems a lot more mechanically intensive.

Any bored experts? 😅

[sick wasp]

by sun u mean sub?

[umbral crest]

Yeah, autocorrect has been acting out a lot recently

[sick wasp]

generally sub is way more unpredictable and stronger among the rogue specs

for pvp that is

but its also harder to master

(if thats possible)

personally,if u shuffle,i wouldnt say it matters that much what u play,que and u will eventually have fun and get some rating

shuffle doesnt rly involve tactics and brain,get in do as much dmg as possible and kill before u die

actual rated arenas can be alot different

[umbral crest]

Yeah, I’ll likely keep doing assassination in shuffles, got my 1800 pretty easy there but our 2s feel more iffy.
Still got a positive win rate as assassination/WW at 1750 but I really feel the lack of vanish and control that sub brings

[sick wasp]

yeah sub is extremely powerful because it taps on will to the stealth bar with dance

others specs do that as well but dont have the amps sub gets from that

[umbral crest]

Yeah, hence why I think I’ll learn sub for 2s as my friend wants to continue playing double dps.

Been seeing people refer to a secret tech build and a eviscerate build and am wondering what differs

[sick wasp]

having played and playing sub in 2s-3s ild say that sub can be very deadly

and its dmg that u cant rly react to,or predict

shadowblades is very scary

[surreal barn]

What’s the the best 3s comp

[surreal barn]

In plunderstorm

[jolly sierra]

wut

[lucid citrus]

Ahh the good old throw.. last two matches of solo the healer stops healing and afks out

[hidden meadow]

Is it best to pop dance then kings bane or wait a few seconds then pop it and then shiv?

I'm currently using 2 shivs and dancing at the start but wondering if it's worth holding

[jolly sierra]

shiv always goes first before KB

[pine badge]

as i was taught yesterday, sub is a burst class. the burst you can get with shadow blades and the rest of your OCDs is insane

have loved watching how much consistent dmg assassination can do, but am always missing the ability to vanish twice

[steel scarab]

Finally a 5-1

[boreal shale]

there's no sec tech or evis build currently, only sepsis + thistle or echo + goremaw

every build runs ST

thistle build has more consistent bursts and echo build has higher burst ceiling but you have to wait for echo and goremaw to do it

[steel scarab]

FINALLY DUELIST

[fast imp]

https://tenor.com/view/applause-slow-clap-gif-22181845

Gratz

[steel scarab]

Only took like... 950 games, which is sad considering how painful the queue time is lol

It says I've played 173 matches total

Oof

[fast imp]

Yeah I’m not a big fan of SS. The only thing it has going for it is the fact that I can que without having to find a partner or two.

I commend anyone with the patience to deal with it all the way into duelist and beyond

[steel scarab]

I don't have any friends who play arena in wow anymore, so solo shuffle for me was awesome

[gleaming pawn]

now ya gotta grind 2400 for the enchant

[pine badge]

anyone want to run 2s?

double rogue is ass but alts welcome

[steel scarab]

@gleaming pawn What do I get at 2400?

[untold remnant]

Tabard and opportunity to buy elite weapon appearances.

Also, you get the armor enhancements you also get when being 2500 in M+ and some difficulty (hc or mythic?) in the raid.

But 2500 in M+ is a sneeze compared to 2400 in any form of arena

And you can run around as “The Elite Rogue” for the rest of the season

[steel scarab]

Yeah I hit 2500 in M+ last season, it was a complete joke

[untold remnant]

Or get Legend title if you win 100 rounds on 2400

[steel scarab]

Okay, I shouldn't say a complete joke, but I wasn't trying half as hard as I try in arena

I don't know if I'm good enough to hit 2400 with assassination, but I'll see if I can get any higher

I didn't think I'd even hit 1800 lol

[pine badge]

how do people get to 1800 in solo shuffle? i swear it’s incredibly team dependent

am at 1100 finding it tough to break the barrier

also, re: vicious moonbeast - does the percentage bar increase per arena round win? or per game (6 rounds)?

[steel scarab]

It is definitely not team dependent. Every class is slightly better against certain comps, but as you get better, you will always at least go 3-3 worst case. If you lose rating and couldn't at least win 3 of the 6 matches, you failed. It's a hard pill to swallow and one I had a lot of trouble with at first. Personal accountability hurts

I went 6-0 pretty much every game until I hit 1400, at which point I actually started losing games

Then I hit a massive wall between 1500 and 1600 and had an existential crisis. "Warriors and Demon Hunters are OP, this game isn't fair, assassination sucks, everyone is playing badly except for me."

Then I started analyzing what I was doing wrong, swapping PvP talents between each match, using lots of different talents against certain classes. And when I'd make a mistake in the game like failing on a go attempt or fat-fingering a blind, instead of getting frustrated with myself, I would pivot and try hard to still win that round

Arena is very, very mentally taxing

Turns out, Warriors and Demon Hunters weren't OP, I was just playing very badly against them. And in fairness, they aren't fun to play against, and they aren't easy to play against

[nova viper]

I start with the (in my opinion) very advanced idea that if YOU play well, there are only two "randoms" in your team and three in the other team, so mathematically you have a greater chance of winning. Of course, in the long term. It may turn out that your balance will be negative for 100 matches, but if YOU play well, in the long run you will finally make a profit. This applies to any game where you are matched with a random team on top of another random team.

So develop as players, my dears. Record matches, analyze them, watch those who are better than you and win

[pine badge]

^

[steel scarab]

Right, exactly. It's very simple if you stop and think about it. If I could smash every team up to 1400 with minimal effort, then all of a sudden I hit a wall where my opponents are now good enough that the game becomes incredibly hard, that was my skill cap that I needed to overcome. I had to research, examine my plays, really figure out what I was doing wrong

(I don't know the answer to the Moonbeast question, I'm sorry)

Ditto when you consider the simple fact there are assassination rogues in solo shuffle at 2800 rating

That is just incredible. And I imagine the same way that I was able to smash solo shuffle 6-0 at 1400 without breaking a sweat, those guys could probably smash people at 2100 without breaking a sweat

[nova viper]

Like Xaryu and Pikaboo, who beat people on 2500+ while talking about what they would eat and what they would order xD

[steel scarab]

Yeah, those are just genius level players

[nova viper]

This is true, but if you have a bit of talent and you have been doing something consistently for 10+ years, you will naturally be good at it.

[steel scarab]

I don't watch any streams because I wanted to figure arena out "for myself" so to speak, but when I hit that hard wall, I did watch some of Shadenox's videos to get a grasp of how wrong I was playing

Profoundly helpful

[jolly sierra]

delete that u cant lfg here

[pine badge]

sorry

[pale storm]

Grats on the 2.1 Wildsoul 🙂

[nova viper]

SEEEEEEEEXO

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOO

[nova viper]

sup my booooy

[jolly sierra]

got paid and bought this edgy blades thingies for my PFP

very funny indeed

[nova viper]

when new pc

[jolly sierra]

already bought it dood

[nova viper]

[steel scarab]

@pale storm thank you!

[sick wasp]

gz on ur 2.1,keep climbing that mountain

[steel scarab]

Thanks friend!

[umbral crest]

Cheers!
I’ll just have a look at some streams for the rotations but that helps with explaining the builds I see.

Looks like either build is mostly about alternating a builder and eviscerate during blades and otherwise just regular builder spam until 6+ points without SB?

[boreal shale]

Basically yeah

You can find resources in the pve info channel, most of it is still true in pvp

[jolly sierra]

finally matching daggers

[sturdy canopy]

This is true kinda but I generally hit my wall around the 1200 mark, purely due to the fact other players around that rating, especially those who played melee classes and so in general didn't play with a rouge much, would constantly break my cc, ruin Dr chains, or just generally would be on the wrong target at the wrong time, even with pings, range players seem to realise and play better with rouges, and especially in earlier match ups team comps do play a massive part, the good news is, If you lose to a pure melee fest you don't have to feel as bad as if your up against double s priest 😉

After around getting to around 1400 I found it smooth sailing all the way up to 1900 due to the sheer fact more people knew how to play with a rouge, and not just faceroll and cc whenever, there's always but like you said there's always things you can do better, and even with teammates trying to what feels like sabotage you you can push the win, it's definitely harder on classes like rouge at lower ratings than those "op" classes and Defo takes some practice, and some straight up willpower some days to push though those lower ratings 😂 so I wouldn't feel bad about your struggle fisher, you'll get there just needa put in the hours, and accept that there's a lot of bs in solo shuffle but if you grind and grind you'll improve and so will your rating,

I'd Defo recommend recording your games and then watching them back and looking at what you could have done better, it's very easy to tunnel vision and miss important things in arena and sins a spec that can be punished heavy for that

[sturdy canopy]

In shuffle you get 1% for winning 3 or more rounds a game over 1k towards the saddle mount

So you need 100 game draws or wins for the mount, if the mounts your goal though I think it's faster just spamming 3s

[wintry dew]

Took you long to acquire them?

[wintry dew]

Can i just ask you not to call rogues as "reds"? xD

[sturdy canopy]

In dyslexic touch grass

[wintry dew]

Damn

[jolly sierra]

nah those are ez af to get

[wintry dew]

Those were my go to daggers for that set when i got it

[wintry dew]

Hard to notice in your perfectly written english sentences

[sturdy canopy]

You got my points perfectly well, absolutely no need to be pedantic as you well know 💀

[jolly sierra]

we connected braincells then

i was just toggling 1 by 1

XD

[wintry dew]

I don't know why is that attitude honestly, i found it funny, even added a "xD" to my sentence. Rouge = Red in french, its really common for people to mistype it

[jolly sierra]

rouge the bat

[pine badge]

cheers bro

unsure if appropriate here, but are there any reliable methods to getting an lfg for 2s 3s?

or just run solo and hope

[sturdy canopy]

No attitude or hostility from me, just figured you where taking the piss like
I'll more than likely always get rogue or rouge mixed up the same way I sometimes read 5s as 7s

[wintry dew]

this was my final tmog for the set

[jolly sierra]

good shit, 10/10

but tbh i really like the cape part from the vest

so i kept it

[wintry dew]

Funfact, the "longcoat" part of the set, in HUMAN males, is part of the chestpiece, instead of the pants.

[pine badge]

man i wanna run that to 40

get the plunderlord title and mount

[wintry dew]

Nah i have no need to be taking pisses in no1, just found it funny and joked around, but surely found out that i should touch grass

[pine badge]

did it take you guys long?

[wintry dew]

3 days

easier now with all the buffs

[pine badge]

of grinding or casual

[wintry dew]

grinding AFTER coming work from work

[pine badge]

oh shit true

nice

[wintry dew]

its even easier now, as i said, they buffed the plunder rate stuff

[sturdy canopy]

Even if you don't win much it doesn't take to long to get now tbf,

[wintry dew]

I managed to get like 7-10 wins in both duo and solo, which hard carried my plunder a bit

[pine badge]

nice. will look into it

goal is to get that title, transmog, mount, and then vicious moonbeast

and 100,000 honourable kills

[wintry dew]

You should hurry on the vicious moonbeast

before the season ends

[pine badge]

how long do i have left?

i’m sitting at 44% at the moment. i just gotta find someone to run with i think. at the moment just grinding shuffles

[wintry dew]

It was speculed that the new patch drops +/- by the time plunderstorm goes away, in like, 5/6 weeks?

[pine badge]

ok. will say perhaps 4 weeks to be safe. i reckon its possible

[wintry dew]

Totally yes

I didn't really care to farm these new pvp mounts, other than S1 one

[pine badge]

nice. i will go for it

if any of you have the desire to run arenas with me, dm me

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[steel scarab]

1@sturdy canopy that is so weird, I found SS to absolutely be a joke up to 1400, at which point it started to become hard. So I had basically the exact opposite experience as you. Did you do it as Subtlety? Maybe that's why, I'm assassination

[solar bronze]

I’m finding a few different builds for sub PvP. Anyone find anything that just seems to work better for arenas? Like rotten/sec-tec or dm+db?

Fairly new (coming from classic and missed from MoP onward)

[sharp sierra]

🤦‍♂️

[sick wasp]

[jolly sierra]

open bobs

[boreal shale]

pretty much the only builds used rn

[pine badge]

i am using a separate build

though am having a good time

nvm. i’m using the one on the right essentially

[sick wasp]

using both

ER is kinda better

and goremaw is for big pressure

[pine badge]

using kalvish’s build from murlok io

[sick wasp]

im watchign kalvish as well but u need to keep in mind that kalvish is in rank 1 range rn

he probably plays specs that are better into the most specs/teams he ques into

[proven sapphire]

2093 to 1619 ask me anything

[surreal barn]

Just how it goes sometimes

Was tipsy when I played last night 😂

[jolly sierra]

shit happens

[pale storm]

Run it back

[steel scarab]

Don't feel bad

I lost 200 rating straight last night and only regained 100

Game is hard, man

[proven sapphire]

Teammates are dying before second blades

how do I win

[sick wasp]

kill in ur 1st go

[sick wasp]

try queing RM 2s

rating fluctuations look like a trampoline

[proven sapphire]

I ironically

sometimes one shot opener

im playing sub tho

[sick wasp]

thats the sub life

learn to be flawless

or pay the price 😛

if u wanna get glad roll a mage or a war

ele sham

[proven sapphire]

warr?

[sick wasp]

sht like that

yes war

fukin pumps

[proven sapphire]

oh i dont have gear

thats why it feels bad

[sick wasp]

if u dont have gear everything feels bad

im into mage tech now

its stupid how u can win games

only by breathing

[proven sapphire]

yeah

i hate it

as a melee

lover

[sick wasp]

rets and dhs run u down behind pillars

[proven sapphire]

I had my fun on mage though im back on rogue

[sick wasp]

u blow them up

healer pepehands

i think rogue isnt rly fun to play if u wanna do 2.3-2.4+

its so fukin tedious and cringe

ppl need to understand conditions

and the vast majority doesnt care

or doesnt understand

like the amounts of games i could have won if the team knew that they have to turtle for 20-30s

anyway dont mind me

[proven sapphire]

i feel that

[steel scarab]

I've noticed a trend.

Why is Assassination such an uncommonly represented rogue spec from 1800-2600?

And yet, it has more representation at the top of the ladder, 2700+ than the other two rogue specs?

Do you just need an enormous brain to play it properly?

[jolly sierra]

no

is because it is not the top rog spec

[steel scarab]

Right but when you get to 2700+ SS, it is the most represented rogue spec

Which seems strange

And seems to suggest what I said, which is, the spec is easy to succeed with in Solo Shuffle up to about 1600, very hard to succeed with from 1600-2400, and then the most successful rogue spec for players at the 2700 level

[stoic spruce]

Because assa and sub don't really shine until you get to a higher mmr

[jolly sierra]

they are givingaway plunderlord title in live for 40 renown

[tribal badger]

ya most of the rewards r on retail

the mogs and title and mounts

[jolly sierra]

lose 2-4, was about to get a 3-3 but the healer refused to heal me

[jolly sierra]

got a 4-2

time to recover

[pine badge]

what is the assa play style for pvp?

[jolly sierra]

dot all and go

[steel scarab]

That's not how I play, more like DOT as many people as you can, then pillarhump

[jolly sierra]

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

[gleaming pawn]

@stoic spruce this is the kind of shit I was talking about the other day. In what world does this bandolier make any sense and how is it supposed to be usable

the best part, "knives and poisons at the ready"

[stoic spruce]

biiiig dumb

[steel scarab]

The knives and poisons are at the ready

You just have to dislocate your joints to get to them lol

[gleaming pawn]

this travesty is clearly @wintry dew fault, though mostly just to give him a hard time and to pull him out of the mog channel for a bit

[narrow tangle]

when is next seasion

[gleaming pawn]

we don't know for sure

best guess is when Plunderstorm is over

[jolly sierra]

glad i left plunderstorm w all the loot

so i dont have to play anymore

[pine badge]

i have to do that

[pliant mauve]

Is there something I’m missing or is Devoker full blown AIDS to go against as assa? How often can they drop your bleeds?

[steel scarab]

Survival hunter is pretty bad too.

Bonus AIDS points if dwarf.

[tawny kestrel]

just dont press deathmark

[pliant mauve]

Why? Won’t they just drop it either way once they see kingsbane?

[tawny kestrel]

why would they do it when they see kingsbane?

they cant dispell kingsbane

[wintry dew]

some items are just hard to TMOG with

[tawny kestrel]

not really if u are a capable gamer, the reason it might feel like this is that below 1600 ppl fall over instantly, which they still should until significantly higher rating, and then at high rating you get better healers which is huge for assa

also the 3 people who play assa atm have 20 chars each

[steel scarab]

@tawny kestrel that is true

[vocal surge]

Be me, wearer of Assassin's Bandolier, have shadowstep on CD.
Warrior charges me and bear hugs
Cant get out of bear hug, warrior too strong
Warrior grabs dagger from bandolier and shanks me
Dies because of bandolier
Mfw the bandolier is a detriment to myself and not my target

[wintry dew]

That was such a DnD moment on a nat1

[proven sapphire]

is sub not worth playing in solo rn

i either one shot or just get back to back 0-6

cuz no one does dmg on ur cc gos

Theres like no youtube videos of sub rogues

in solos

so cant really learn anything

[steel scarab]

People are 2700 as Sub in SS

It's just very exacting and you have to 80-0 people perfectly within your windows

I personally can't do Sub in SS above like 1600 lol

I do not understand the burst rotation well enough

[proven sapphire]

I just have no videos to reference

so im stuck at 2100

im getting major fdk vibes

disarmed on gos

etc

like do we run thiefs bargain anymore

[steel scarab]

I don't know why you wouldn't, the talent is amazing

Gives you more goes

Slightly reduced damage for part of the go but more lethal attempts is always good

[proven sapphire]

Just wasn't sure cuz there's no updated info on sub

[steel scarab]

I'm not a sub expert, or even good at sub, so take this with a grain of salt

But just with how the spec plays and what the spec does, I'd always take Bargain

Looks like the majority of sub rogues take Smoke Bomb and Shadowy Duel (of course) and then the third point is used for Bargain or Veil of Midnight against physical teams

[proven sapphire]

yeah word

ty

[steel scarab]

Aye

[pale storm]

3 weeks y’all

[jolly sierra]

owwww fuck

time to push forward then

[surreal barn]

Let’s gooooo

Put me out of my misery please 🙏

Jk maybe I’ll get this last 140cr

[polar geode]

What will be the new pvp ilvl? 528? Hopefully crafted gear can be upgraded to max pvp ilvl like it is done now. Spent a shit ton of gold, probably a bit too late though

[waxen meteor]

3 weeks count down doesn't seem to make queue shorter 😦

[jolly sierra]

nuh uh

[last jasper]

Shalom

😄

[jolly sierra]

what the

boy u are back nice to meet u again

[last jasper]

changed my mind.

[jolly sierra]

about what

[last jasper]

can't tell u withgout hurting someones feelings 😄

[jolly sierra]

OOF

gotcha

[last jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/fancy-gif-870598267997942887

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/curiosity-curious-intrigued-interested-interesting-gif-14505707

[last jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/well-look-at-you-surprised-really-hmph-gif-18289023

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-hi-there-greetings-gif-9442662

[waxen meteor]

ok, did a ret game at 2000, seems very solid players

[devout crest]

is undead or elf better for pvp?

[wintry dew]

orc

or nelf

if the choice isnt either one of those, it doesnt matter

choose what looks better

[gleaming pawn]

I guess they had that one question and that was it

[wintry dew]

Yeah... 💀

[stoic spruce]

Touch of the Grave breaks stealth

O

Well

Undeads are the coolest so undeads are the best (objectively true)

[outer sky]

This guy just whispered me on my alt rogue saying to quit the game cuz i'll never get passed 2k cr but on my main rogue I'm 2118

[pine badge]

nice

any pvp season 4 news?

[pine badge]

i use duel for casters and dismantle for melee. then smoke bomb and veil stay

[steel scarab]

@pine badge this is the way

[solar bronze]

I got one like that the other day. I’m like god damn bro I literally just got this toon leveled and green PvP gear its my first game chiiill 😭

[steel scarab]

I have had people absolutely verbally rip me apart after a round of solo shuffle

Sometimes they're probably right

Sometimes they go 0-6 and are definitely wrong

[stoic spruce]

I had someone whisper me "Good luck with that AWC career" after a SKIRMISH. Like, my guy, it's a skirmish and it literally doesn't matter.

[steel scarab]

The only time I really complain in SS is when I'm against a dwarf survival hunter and I just don't have a good target to focus

Especially when he's paired with like, a ret or something

[jolly sierra]

had a match w my ww against a surv, a mglad devoker and a fire mage

fr

first matches suffered a lot cuz they just fkn ignored me while i was cced or rooted

the last 3 rounds were suffered but managed to win

damn

so humble lol

[nova viper]

Seeexo

Good work my boooy

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[pliant mauve]

Damn. I just got roasted by a warrior in SS as Assassination. I’m running indiscriminate carnage and he started flaming me in chat because “You can’t silence warriors. What are you doing? WHY DO YOU KEEP TRYING TO SILENCE ME?” Dude had elite for the last two seasons too.

[jolly sierra]

u can silence the roar and the shout w that

dude just knew how 2 smash the keyboard

[pliant mauve]

Apparently “lmao at dude trying to silence a warr”

[pliant mauve]

I never even realized this. Only 1900 but it never even occurred to me.

[jolly sierra]

oof

[steel scarab]

Also it reduces his damage...

So like

It's not just a silence

So even if he was right about the silence part, he's still wrong

[pine badge]

this is the way

[jolly sierra]

thank you blizzard i already hated ducks

[last jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/barbie-movie-barbie-barbie-2023-margot-robbie-margot-robbie-barbie-gif-23360871574907093

[waxen meteor]

just sell me a duck pack

and save time

[jolly sierra]

for trading post

[waxen meteor]

did a new healer, at 1400 cr it's fun!

when i tried to bite for kick

cast -> cancel -> cast -> cancel, they always kicked my second cast from 0.01 sec lol

it seems they were reacting to the first cast lol

[sick wasp]

or just prekick

its the best way to kick a double/triple fakecasat

[last jasper]

At 1.4?

[pine badge]

how does one pre kick

[sick wasp]

there are ppl that pass from 1.4 on the way to higher tiers so why not

[sick wasp]

basicly doesnt wait for the cast bar to interrupt the cast,happens instictively when a caster normally prepares a cast animation and kicks on that animation.Given the fact that kick has a animation as well,it gives no chance to a caster to fakecast

it takes some experience to undertand when and how though

[last jasper]

U start at 1.5 mmr by default. Unless u were higher/lower in the previous season. So u never gonna play with 1.4 ppl

[wintry dew]

Unless you lose

a lot.

[last jasper]

Yep. And 1.4 don't prekick. They just spam or got lucky

[wintry dew]

I have a screenshot from like 1 (?) year ago, from we know who, his mmr/cr/games played

[sick wasp]

i never said u start from 0 what are u even talking about

u can sink u can rise

thats the game

[last jasper]

U said ppl pass 1.4 climbing to higher ranks. Which they don't

[sick wasp]

passing doesnt mean climbing

u need to relax with ur assumptions a bit

[last jasper]

Whatever 😂

So does outlaw is still a go-to after the nerf? Haven't played since January

[harsh kiln]

finally got this shit done this season

[steel scarab]

What do we consider higher ranks to be?

I literally went from 0 to 2100 this season

Definitely passed the nightmare gullet known as 1400 on the way

[harsh kiln]

welcome to the new nightmare gullet at 2100;)