pvp

[echo canyon]

let's say you are playing against mage, priest and shaman

[stoic spruce]

I hope fatebound gives Gouge a higher dmg threshold

for outlaw

(just me)

bro

why do rerollers have to ruin things

all you outlaw rerollers playing terribad giving us real outlaw a bad name

[halcyon timber]

I hope fatebound is cool af for outlaw honestly. Cool dnd inspired name as well.

[stoic spruce]

so true bestie

[halcyon timber]

I can’t remember but gouge used to be talented to be like 5s?

Or 5.5

Been a long time

Blind used to have a glyph to not break on our poisons and bleeds but that def wouldn’t fly today

[stoic spruce]

god crackshot is so annyoing

I just had god rng

[echo canyon]

I am looking forward to Deathstalker

I really do wonder, what it will bring to the table

[lone goblet]

Fatebound definitely going to make Gouge a dps cooldown, and deathstalker will make shadowstep one. We've seen the template already with trickster.

[stoic spruce]

you need 3 things to make a pattern

[lone goblet]

It just annoys me not being able to take airborne irritant with that design, that's one of the best things we got in the 10.2 revamp

[jolly sierra]

this is the kind of /w i want hahah

[stoic spruce]

I like the

"u suck"

"yeah I know"

[cobalt yew]

What is the diff between 486 pve gear and 489 pvp gear (buffed inside pvp)

[stoic spruce]

mainstat

its not a lot

[cobalt yew]

So not crafting my gear with the 489 thing is not a big diff, right

I have 486 boots it just doesnt have the thingy

[stoic spruce]

nah its okay

[cobalt yew]

Weapon makes a big diff betwen this one and gladiator axe tho?
And nick of time to glad dagger

[stoic spruce]

sick

[cobalt yew]

Sick?

[stoic spruce]

nick is technically bis

depends on spec though

you sub?

[cobalt yew]

Outlaw

[stoic spruce]

ah okay

its not a big diff. my gear isnt upgraded so I cant tell you but I think the conquest axe has more verse?

[cobalt yew]

idk, maybe, I`ll switch to ideal stuff

[stoic spruce]

dagger in offhand if ytou wanna be that kind of gamer

[cobalt yew]

Its just for now I need to focus on the biggest upgrades

Why, would it be better with two slow weapons?

murlok io shows dagger offhand

[stoic spruce]

no dagger offhand has crit which you need but its not going to make or break games

I have both one handers because of mog

I might actually grab it and experiment with mogs

[cobalt yew]

How hard do y`all consider g etting to 2.4k

To get mount

[jolly sierra]

im w the undergeared ret, was funny af

XD

[cobalt yew]

Last question, is it psosible to go above 489 in pvp?

[stoic spruce]

no

[jolly sierra]

nope, even w fyralath u wont

[cobalt yew]

Dumb question just noticed, 489 is the max

[stoic spruce]

lol yes

[waxen meteor]

Is it my illusion or queue actually pops up very fast this week?

[nova viper]

REPRENSION DE NLVEL QUE PASA

SPANISH BOOY

[jolly sierra]

heh this is an alt, im picking then to farm lfr raids for gold lol

[nova viper]

[tardy spruce]

any advice how to beat a rogue as MM huntard plz help

[jolly sierra]

nuh uh

ask bicmex, he is here

[tardy spruce]

ok bicmex how do u beat a rogue as mm hunter plz help

[wintry dew]

How?

[nova viper]

Yes sir, indeed

[cobalt yew]

Does the achievement for 2400+ that awards a dragonriding appearence has to be achieve in 3v3?

Or 2v2 aswell?

[sick wasp]

[stoic spruce]

Only 3v3

[minor cape]

in your teammates stun

but you have to pray

maybe make an offering

anyways, assa shouldn't be that bad

[jolly sierra]

i have 2 rets

one is older than the other

[wintry dew]

I mean, how you farming gold in LFR xD

[jolly sierra]

aaaaahhhh

u kill all the bosses by urself in bfa raids and u get like 7-8k by cleaning all the wings

[fast cargo]

3v3 only

[wintry dew]

That sounds like harder than just doing the world quests that award gold / dragon racing ones

[jolly sierra]

sometimes the gold wquest runs off

and u just need to run through with enough gear

[wintry dew]

You have 2 sets of world quests per week

[jolly sierra]

ye per week, sometimes i need to wait to them respawning

also, tooks little time to clear

[wintry dew]

Reseting at middle of the day during Sunday (?)

Fair enough

[jolly sierra]

in lfr for example w the lock i got a bomb trinket from tindral

so i just turn it on and it explodes the bosses lol

[spring bough]

Im about to try this snowball set on outlaw lol

[surreal barn]

haha

[spring bough]

Pretend I’m trillr for a minute 😂

[languid ravine]

0-6 monk flaming me after he was afk during my god gamer triple opener, love to see it

[stoic spruce]

this changes nothing

rahhh

I mean

oh noooo

[fading blade]

Sting like a bee

[stoic spruce]

looks like all you rerollers have to play something else

Sting won me games ngl

[fading blade]

Prob take that over float now

[stoic spruce]

I've been swapping between the two a lot lately

[gleaming pawn]

Float is still best against melee cleaves. And against single melee/no melee teams Sting was already a good/default choice

[waxen meteor]

Rogue

Subtlety
Eviscerate damage reduced by 6%. Does not affect PvP combat.

[fading blade]

Ya definitely, float will be nice still

[waxen meteor]

Evis is the skill that hated

both pvp and pve

[gleaming pawn]

Everything as Sub must be smashed into your Dance+SecTech window. Fuck everything else and your damage outside of that window

[fading blade]

Ill trade any nerfs fuck dh

[tribal badger]

But the evis nerf is pve only it doesn't effect pvp sub

[fading blade]

Ya idk why he posted that but still, fk dh

[gleaming pawn]

I don’t speak DH, but their nerfs read as pretty light. Anyone that knows better?

[stoic spruce]

that tier dam was pretty nutty

[quaint cedar]

nooo why float nerf 😦

[stoic spruce]

because Sting is sleeper

[quaint cedar]

but I'm so used to having short evasion

[stoic spruce]

looks like youll have to dismount pressing something else

(R1s actually do that)

(some do)

[fading blade]

nahj just gaslighting people saying rip outlaw lol love it

[stoic spruce]

dude

I should do the same

oh noooooooooooooooooooooooo

rip outlaw

noooooo

.>

[fading blade]

just crackshot proc more, youll never notice nerf ez claps

[stoic spruce]

im so sorry rerollers

.>

nooooo the rerollers are leavinbgggggg

[quaint cedar]

lol

seriously though you think losing float will be bad? I haven't gotten to play much this season so that's why I ask

[stoic spruce]

whgat a shame Adorrrrr

instead of 20 second CD, itll be 40 second

I mean

yeah its dedge

outlaw DOA

[fading blade]

unless you proc like crazy too

jk rogue is dead

[stoic spruce]

Nuffffff

outlaw dedgeeee

nyooooooooo

[fading blade]

they meant to 6% evis nerf pvp too

[stoic spruce]

that would be funny

[fading blade]

ok im reading these dh nerfs and i still see big dmg coming

[stoic spruce]

rip outlaw amirite

[stoic spruce]

oh yeah fs

[quaint cedar]

lol well glad you guys don't think it will be an issue then

I'm still kinda worried those DH nerfs arent enough

but idk anything about them

[stoic spruce]

probably not

[fading blade]

be worried about bm and warrior

[stoic spruce]

well they did get a good hit but it prolly isnt enough

tbf when is bm not a problem?

[fading blade]

you thought that 200k crit execute hurt now just wait

[waxen meteor]

Yeah I know but evis just keeping getting nerfed lol

[tribal badger]

well evis is like 50% of subs damage in pve so

[quaint cedar]

yeah why did warr get a damage buff again? they can already do DH damage with full uptime

[fallen scaffold]

am i supposed to be pressing black powder ever as sub

[jolly sierra]

its my idea or DH nerfs are insignificant?

[fading blade]

theyre doodoo

[stoic spruce]

They're noticeable

But they're probably still the best

[waxen meteor]

Other than essence break nerf all tiny

But essence break can become an optional choice for DH build

[jolly sierra]

lets see

but essence break was one of their main cds

[waxen meteor]

Yeah main burst cd and aligns with eyebeam

But DH can be super good without essence break burst

[jolly sierra]

that is what i fear tbh

[waxen meteor]

I think in middle of the season lots of DH went with no essence break build

Now it’s just with essence break you can essence break death sweep 100-0 people

[surreal barn]

Hmm

Survival was already sleeper good af

[jolly sierra]

yep

and look at fire buffs

[tulip patio]

Is Death from Above in PVP (mostly Epic BG's) just no good? I don't want smoke bomb or shadowy dues and don't take them.

[boreal shale]

Nothing really matters in ebg

Just go around and kill whoever you see

[waxen meteor]

It’s alright but almost always not in top3 choices

[sick wasp]

Rogue
Outlaw
Float Like a Butterfly (talent) effectiveness is now reduced by 50% in PvP combat.
Precision Shot (talent) damage reduction is now 3% (was 5%) in PvP combat.
Take Your Cut (PvP talent) haste granted reduced to 10% (was 15%) and duration reduced to 10 seconds (was 12 seconds).

[stoic spruce]

Rip outlaw amirite?

[sick wasp]

havent tested but float nerf sounds significant

[languid ravine]

mate what the fuck smoke bomb prevents like 30million damage and 20 million healing in Epic BGs and I m only exaggerating by about 50% to 2000%

[gleaming pawn]

smoke bombing the tank in AV when they try to big dick pull Drek with 2 or more towers up

hilarity as the tank dies, not realizing they couldn't get healed, and the healers not expecting it so they panic

[stoic spruce]

You can evasion on dismount and not be punished for it

Sting is hella sleeper anyway

[opal drum]

dh gets a nice little slap on the wrist shock...

[narrow tangle]

there were never outlaw fotm

most of the sub players re-specced to outlaw probably would still stick to outlaw

[stoic spruce]

No there were I promise

I'd also call that rerollong

[quaint cedar]

There were definitely rerollers but not like there are for DH

Outlaw isn't really a FOTM friendly spec. You have to actually know what you're doing

I finally got to do 2s for the first time in ages yesterday on my outlaw and I barely even had to press evasion. No one ever targets me lol. I think the float change is a good thing considering we have much higher CDR than before.

Most games I'm just using evasion to avoid getting peeled

[proven kayak]

damn wanted to resub to play outlaw but I guess sub is more fun anyway. Btw nerf doesnt seem that big

[tribal badger]

nerf is tiny

[willow valley]

nerf for what class?

[soft dust]

Guys for pvp i see a lot of streamers using fan of knieves instead of mutilate

Is it worth?

[languid ravine]

Good luck everyone I m outta here forever
Where the fuck is the Vanish emote

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw

It effects me none tbh

[wanton breach]

playing double dh + rdruid with friends and I wouldn't want to brag but we got a flawless 100% winrate, we were dh mains all along

dms are open for coaching

[stoic spruce]

LMAOOOO

[ornate mauve]

i honestly only ever had to spam evasion vs dh’s and their nerfs seem solid enough to make outlaw nerf not so bad

plus i like stun dmg talent

[stoic spruce]

it'll win games

@jolly sierra I am unironically disarming mages

they didnt touch boarding party

zoomin all over the place

[jolly sierra]

u are doing right lol

[sick wasp]

i need to u to sign on my left buttchick

[gleaming pawn]

Vaeira was told to be the change they want to see in the world. And the responded with cancer, give everyone cancer

[wanton breach]

why use head for brain when can use head for smash keyboard?!

[gleaming pawn]

fair

[wanton breach]

I feel sorry for all opponents who had to play against such a cancerous comp - even for the ones that won against us

[waxen meteor]

What?

DH nerf is really small

[idle root]

there's no way to send over flightstones to alts right

holy shit my alts are starving of that shit

[jolly sierra]

nuh uh

try going to skirmishes with full honor till u get enough gear for lfr

usually w full honor + 3 purple pvp pieces u can go there

then LFR and u get all u need

[surreal barn]

Does disarming enhance actually do anything

[stoic spruce]

oh i get it now. Smoke and Mirrors

[jolly sierra]

in doomwind it does tho

according to my experience

[steel scarab]

God this game is so cursed

Just did a SS, someone from both teams died at the exact same time, so both teams got a loss

[jolly sierra]

that is a tie

[outer sky]

Can someone type out the sub opener rotation on ST in PvP?

[fallen scaffold]

Do you ever press black powder in arenas as sub or can I take it off my bars? Seems bad

[tribal badger]

dont think u ever press it no

[fallen scaffold]

Yup

Does anyone else's BTE ever like, straight up not work? Usually during subterfuge windows, I'll have energy and full combo points and just be spamming it and it lights up on my action bar over and over, and my character will like jerk ans halfway do the animation like he's trying to hold up his pistol but stops 1/2 way through. Nothing in combat log, points/energy not depleted, literally just doesn't cast. Happens so much

[narrow tangle]

opener is so flexible and reactive depending your opponent's actions. general idea is sap healer, return kill target, popping cooldowns (shadow blade, symbols, thistle), keeping your target stunned (kidney, DR cheap shot twice), using combo point generating abilities once (goremaw, echoing, sepsis,shadowstrike etc.) and spamming secret tech+evis to deplete combo points.

[narrow tangle]

it happens to me sometimes when i try it out of meld/stealth

[fallen scaffold]

Yes!

I found hella people on blizz forums talking about it too but no solutions. It literally happens to me every game, I can't even play outlaw

[narrow tangle]

i dont exactly know why this happens, but i try to stay in stealth more than 3 seconds if i used stealth out of shadowmeld just in case

it mostly happens when I shadowmeld>>stealth then continue my rotation without a break

it's sad that they can nerf a class but cant fix a common bug that persist for months

[stoic spruce]

Yeahhhh it happens

[gleaming pawn]

that kind of thing happens when the enemy player is just out of LoS of you. I've seen it where they are just behind a pilar or some other object breaking line of sight but you can still see their character model so your brain thinks they should be in LoS, or they are actually behind you based on their position and which way your model is facing

I've had it in M+ for instance, where a janky object in the duneon like a rock or a piece of fence fucks with it and I have to move to reestablish LoS

[fallen scaffold]

Naw bro

They're 100% in front of me

In the wide open

[long shore]

Hey guys, slow or fast offhand for outlaw ?

[pliant mauve]

I always thought I was crazy and fucking something up but this has absolutely happened several times to me.

[sick wasp]

u can translate flightstones to gear and send them the actual gear

but no,actual flightstones u cant

[sick wasp]

dagger haste/vers

ideally u want a nick of time 489 coz it has a timestrike effect,its about 2.8k dps over 489 pvp wpns

[high ruin]

where can we get a pvp talent?

nvm

[stoic spruce]

Goober

[warm lance]

There should be a command in #outlaw for that bug

[fallen scaffold]

Huh?? A command

[warm lance]

Ask in the chat for someone to post the "stealth bug"

It should still be there

[steel scarab]

how the effing hell am I , an assassination rogue who is centered completely around bleed damage, supposed to beat a destruction warlock and a hunter when they're both freaking dwarves and can blank my bleed damage?

like

why is a racial trait allowed to just wreck an entire spec

[surreal barn]

Just have to plan on reapplying it

[steel scarab]

Right, against two specs that plan to kite you and stay far away from each other?

Sounds totally reasonable

Is there any counterplay to flare? Or am I just completely losing the upside of Vanish when a hunter flares on top of me when I'm at like 20% hp

[surreal barn]

What kind of hunter

[steel scarab]

Beast Mastery

The lobby I was just in at 1850, the Destro Warlock was 1400 and went 6-0. And gained like 300 rating

Smurfing creates a really enjoyable experience for other people

[surreal barn]

Hard. But in that scenario I pillar the lock and fan the all the pets to keep bleeds going

I take 30 second sprint too

[steel scarab]

I was fanning a lot, but fan doesn't affect bleeds

Do you mean poisons

[surreal barn]

Go out reapply bleeds sprint and step back to my safety pillar lol

It gets a lot easier to kill them both if damp gets higher

[steel scarab]

I guess I could've done a better job pillaring, but it's very hard to both close the gap to get close enough to a kiting warlock to apply bleeds to him while also staying out of his line of sight

Meanwhile seventeen beasts are just gnawing at me

It's just really not enjoyable gameplay seeing that many nameplates in arena

Round 4, I'm 1-3, the hunter is on my team and goes, "lol wtf are you doing man"

Like, I'm sorry? I'm against two dwarves who are kiting me and both have a racial that clears my bleeds

[jolly sierra]

fan of knives all the pets run around and use well the pillars

[steel scarab]

What am I supposed to be doing

Other than losing rating in this cancerous lobby

[surreal barn]

I love it when I see them use the racial

Then it’s over 😂

The hardest time you’ll find is fighting a pro dwarf shadowpriest

Holy shit. It’s like they are immortal

[steel scarab]

😦

I am all about racials giving significant damage buffs to gameplay, but

When arena is balanced around defensive cooldowns

And one particular race has a racial that removes all my bleeds

and bleeds are like 80% of my spec's damage

That is pretty fucking stupid

[surreal barn]

I mean I just assume everyone can get rid of them. Need to plan it so they are stunned during the big ones

[steel scarab]

Right. Just

[surreal barn]

Between pallys dwarves evokers, I think warriors can even rid poison, just gotta git gud

[steel scarab]

If everyone can get rid of them

Dwarves get rid of them +1

It just doesn't feel like good design

Back when the scariest bleed a dwarf was removing was like, a singular Rupture, or a Rend, fine

But that racial, I can empowered Garrote, empowered Rupture, Deathmark

And they're just like "lol nope"

[surreal barn]

I do think we need to drop deathmark completely for vendetta again

Vendetta was the tits.

[steel scarab]

I remember vaguely using Vendetta in SL

Remind me what it did

[surreal barn]

You couldn’t dispel it either

[steel scarab]

Absolutely wild that our long cooldown "ultimate" assassination ability capstones are BOTH countered by Stoneform lmao

It blanks both Deathmark AND Kingsbane

[jolly sierra]

vendetta was fucking good back in the day

flat damage boost, little energy regen with unability to disappear completely w vanish or meld

[steel scarab]

😦

Is subterfuge bugged?

It says, "your abilities requiring stealth can still be used for 3 sec after stealth breaks."

But the second I leave stealth, Cheap Shot cannot be used.

Ambush isn't working out of stealth either.

It's weird

If I offensively break stealth by using an ability from stealth, Subterfuge seems to work and the stealth abilities aren't greyed out

But if I just unstealth, Cheapshot and Ambush are greyed out

That makes no sense

[tribal badger]

you need to break stealth with an ability or by taking damage to proc subterfuge

if you manually cancel stealth, or break it with a trinket/item you wont gain subterfuge

[steel scarab]

That is

So weird

[tribal badger]

ye its always been like that

because only certain things count as "breaking" apparently

[steel scarab]

I noticed it because I was killing those plants in emerald dream during the Dreamseed planting, where you have to click them to start the fight

And I was like, why does Garrote give me 3 combo points and it's empowered even though I'm starting the fight not in stealth

Yet I can't Cheap Shot or Ambush?

And by the way

If the defense for Subterfuge working that way is as you said

It shouldn't proc Shrouded Suffocation in this instance

So the real answer is, the game is just a mess of spaghetti code

Because Improved Garrote is worded the exact same way as Subterfuge

"and for 3 sec after breaking stealth"

[tribal badger]

ya its just not coded the same

xd

even tho the tooltips have the same text

[steel scarab]

It's either bad tooltips or bad coding

And since we as the players only have the tooltips to go by

I say it's bad coding

And should be fixed

[tribal badger]

well tooltips r always bad in this game

but yea its just been a feature of subterfuge as long as its been around

:))

[steel scarab]

They should fix it. Lol

I want to cheapshot these stupid plant things

[tribal badger]

i feel like i remember if u start out of stealth right clicking the plant thingys then spam stealth u can restealth before it puts u in combat

just dont break stealth to pick them up

be out of stealth already so u dont proc its cd

[steel scarab]

I'll give that a try. I mean

It's a nitpick

I like, 2 shot them

Just feels stupid the game doesn't work as the tooltips say

Also, Ret pally, frost mage, WW monk lobby feels like cancer

Two matches ago, gain 80 points

That match, lose 78 points

"Oh you put a full stack of bleeds on me? Stoneform"

"Oh you put a full stack of bleeds on my teammate? BOP"

[worthy crag]

does the dh nerf do anything

[waxen meteor]

not much

essence break nerf might have real impact but that skill was nerfed to 40% then buffed to 50% now just nerfed back to 40% again

The overall 5% survival probably has very minimum impact most team probably would still not target DH

[steel scarab]

okay, I end the night here boys

1942, highest I've been yet

[lone goblet]

Just looked at murlok/io Shadenox and Myk have 9 of the top 10 spots between them for sin, lol (in shuffle)

Interesting to see they use different talent build and gear choice too.

Myk specs for bonespike instead of Kingsbane... wow

[dusky zealot]

guys ive never done pvp , what is equal of 50 honor level to RIO ? ( need it for artifact unlock )

[lone goblet]

honor is a grinded currency, not a rating.

think of it like flightstones

[dusky zealot]

where can i see my honor level ?

[lone goblet]

for honor level you just have to grind a lot of honor, every 2500 honor you get 1 level (something like that)

it takes a while

[dusky zealot]

damn thats a long way then

[lone goblet]

honor level is lifetime, it doesnt reset ever.

but if you're starting from zero yeah it's a lot

[dusky zealot]

ive done like maybe 5 pvps overall

[lone goblet]

Doing the battleground against AI opponents is a good way to farm honor if you wanted to work on it before tuesday.. That event only happens every 6 months.

Or doing solo shuffle as a healer is good too.

[sick wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmr8ucAcAsA

tell me this isnt fun

[delicate canyon]

Hey quick question, I heard from someone in comp stomp today that there's a catch-up item that increases honor and conquest, does anyone here know what he was talking about?

[eternal saddle]

Newish to rogue and getting back into pvp. Mostly doing SS. I’m still learning but had a question about targeting. Should I be focusing a target and cc’ing others most of the time? Or should I be swapping between different targets and cc’ing as DRs ccs reset?

[tawny kestrel]

yes

[steel scarab]

What are the next PVP rating breakpoints after 1942?

1950, then what?

[tribal badger]

2100 iirc

[surreal barn]

1800->2100->2400

[wanton breach]

go do the brawl comp stomp, it's a lot of fast honor playing against NPCs

[steel scarab]

Oof, 2100, so I have a long way to go

[dusky zealot]

Will try that tnx

[halcyon timber]

Never surrender man

[surreal barn]

I’d say it might be easier tomorrow but maybe not

Preservations and surv hunters will be rampant

Bleed deletions left and right 😂

[obsidian pulsar]

there are some wild guys out there in valdrakken

[ornate mauve]

as long as he’s having fun

[jolly sierra]

chad pvp enjoyer

[waxen meteor]

wow

Very slow learner

[steel scarab]

@obsidian pulsar lol dude

Imagine playing over 2000 games and still being below average

That would make my brain implode, but at the same time, maybe the man just truly enjoys it and doesn't care about rating

Honestly sometimes I wish I was that way

[hidden moth]

if he is playing dps god damn the amount of time he has lol

[stoic spruce]

Big dick casual pvper

I wish I was him

[surreal barn]

Any warlock nerf is a good nerf

[wanton breach]

it's insane that this observer sometimes takes like 2-3 globals to kill

[inner tartan]

I mean I get it but don’t I zug zug game and just play for fun ( spoiler alert I’m that rogue which never stuns ) but I sit at 1800 -2k and I don’t have any we’re near that much games so at the same time if u play that much I don’t get how the rating sits so low

[narrow tangle]

big respect

[waxen meteor]

Isnt it more insane a pvp talent can sometimes be biggest dmg of your profile

[inner tartan]

I liked using that on my alt though 😤

[digital crypt]

Sorry if this gets asked a lot but what is the trade off of taking 2 one handers vs a one hander and a dagger?

[tribal badger]

for outlaw?

the tradeoff is a dagger oh is very very slightly stronger

[surreal barn]

Im such a chump man

3 assa rogue duelists can’t hit elite to save my life in shuffle

[inner tartan]

Solo is a nightmare

[surreal barn]

I have to say Tauren was the most fun

[inner tartan]

I can hit 2k in 2s on outlaw with zug zug no brain cells no sleep but struggle to hold 1800 and I play solo shuffle when I’m awake and thinking 🤣

[surreal barn]

At least I look like a dumbass doing it

[inner tartan]

I need to do that

[surreal barn]

The extra 2% crit and health is nice

[inner tartan]

I run vulpera for memes but ironically if I go against demo lock they work well

Or any pet class

[surreal barn]

What’s your vulp concoction hit for?

[inner tartan]

I use it for healing nothing like 100 - 60

K

[surreal barn]

I mean that ain’t bad

[inner tartan]

The passive they have work better thou

Heal 5 percent of max health every time new enemy hit them

Demo lock make it my top heal

🤣

[tribal badger]

nah it just reduces the first hit u take from a target by 5% of ur max hp

if it healed u thatd be wild

but yea its still pretty effective vs demo since every pet counts as a new target

so u reduce the damage u take from every pet they spawn 1 time by 5% max hp

[inner tartan]

True ya miss type but it still dose a lot against some class and in pve content it dose a good junk

[hidden dome]

I actually believe that, had we just stuck to pre season 1 PvP, without ANY tuning, PvP would be in a more healthy spot

Honestly, every single direct or indirect pvp change in DF has made the game worse. At best, they fixed something that was broken just a hand full of patches earlier.

I have seen flash games 20 years ago that had better balance tuning than PvP in DF and I am not even kidding.

[robust grotto]

what happend to mark for death ? i cant find it in spell book is it a talent im not seeing somewhere?

[tribal badger]

it got removed

[robust grotto]

well thats fuckin lame. thats one of the most iconic rogue spells period

[tribal badger]

is it

it wasnt really ever used and i think it was annoying to balance between specs so realz just got rid of it

[stoic spruce]

Yes its iconic

[tribal badger]

it was added in what, mop?

cata?

think it was mop

[digital crypt]

thank you!

[sick wasp]

RIP mfd

[sick wasp]

think it was originally a marksman hunter talent but must be mop for rogues

yup https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Marked_for_Death

[robust grotto]

what tinkers are worth using ? i have the engi helm and about to craft the wrists since both give a ton of mast and cant decide on what to put in em. even work in pvp at all ?

[sick wasp]

not in rated pvp iirc

its the fastest way to craft 489pvp scaling gear

never used them tbh,went str8 and bought tier slots and season gear

[robust grotto]

ah ok im just farming comp stomp and using all the honor to craft all the 476 ilvl gear to boost right into rated

[dense pumice]

MFD an iconic rogue spell? 🥶

[narrow tangle]

outlaw nerfs today

[dense pumice]

gonna weed out all the olds who can’t play sub

[fallen scaffold]

should i be macro'ong symbols of death to my dance/blades/trinket macro? or should it be macro'd to secret tech

and tea

[narrow tangle]

#showtooltip shadow blades
/cast [harm] thistle tea
/use [nostealth] 14
/use [nostealth] shadow blades
/use [nostealth] symbols of death

out of stealth big cd button

[fallen scaffold]

no dance?

[narrow tangle]

you may add

[robust grotto]

wh make it out of stealth ?

also i got enough cp to get both weapons now. should i go 2x dagger or mh dagger oh sword/fist?

[sick wasp]

two daggers

also there is no reason to not do it in any stance

just add a stance condition and u good

well u cant press it during stance 2,it would be stupid

but for stance 0 and 1 its perfectly fine

its jut that some people wanna press cds and then go into dance to fully control every global in that window

it makes alot of sense if u are into burst minmaxing

[robust grotto]

ok

i feel like ive been doing alot better when i just focus on damage over going for stunlock setups. is that normal now or should i focus on cc chains more

[sick wasp]

well depends the content but as a rogue if u rly wanna progress u have to learn how to do both

in pvp control is very important

especially while playing rogue

[robust grotto]

just been doing shuffle and comp stomp right now. was gonna wait till ive got geared before i go for 3s

[sick wasp]

yup for 3s u should be able to do both

its where real rated pvp its done

the more u can do the better

[robust grotto]

cool thanks for the help i havent pvp'd on rogue since bfa so just figuring it all out again

[narrow tangle]

do anyone runs flag?

[wanton breach]

have you ever seen ring of fire?

[robust grotto]

which build do u gus prefer to run for sub? the echoing rep/goremaw build or dark brew/dance macbre ?

[steel scarab]

The ER / Goremaw build, I feel, is the better build if you're a 300 IQ rogue, but you need max Versatility and you can't make mistakes.

The Brew/Dance build gives more frequent goes, and requires max Mastery

I personally am not good at playing either one

[narrow tangle]

6 hours left to play more survival outlaw rogue

[surreal barn]

So are mages and hunters gods

How the changes treating you

[narrow tangle]

I'm comparing dh and outlaw nerfs

and it feels like outlaw got the most nerfs, not significant but still dh should've taken more punch to gut

[steel scarab]

Where can I read the upcoming patch notes

[narrow tangle]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-pvp-class-tuning-incoming-on-march-12-havoc-dh-nerfs-337994

[steel scarab]

Some nice Havoc nerfs

Much needed

Assassination: no changes ☹️

[narrow tangle]

if assa receives buff and some love, people will reroll to dark iron just to mess with your big cooldowns

its better to be under radar imo

[chrome schooner]

Assa is really good right now

[steel scarab]

Shade, be proud

I'm up to 1942!

Trying my best

[spring bough]

how and why is fire mage doing constant 200k plus dps

i dont understand

2nd dps did 8 mil..... this mage did 19 mil LMAO

fire mage is beyond broke rn

1 round from the new and improved fire mage LMAO

[tribal badger]

to be fair

judging from ur combat log 35% of his damage was to pets/non players

only did 100k dps to players

[spring bough]

this mage was keeping both dps constantly low. healers were not happy lol

[surreal barn]

I think living bomb only has 30 sec cd too

Or is it auto applied with flamestrike, can’t remember

[spring bough]

time to go make a fire mage and find out lmao

[tribal badger]

i mean look at his details

hes just spamming aoe

looks silly but living bomb probably pretty uniquely op vs a unholy dk due to army

[spring bough]

idc that it adds extra damage from the pets / non players this dude was tanking both dps health bars every single round. both healers were having trouble keeping both dps alive because this mage was just fucking us all up

[tribal badger]

id be interested to see how effective the mage is if u just

dont stack up ever

all the stuff in that breakdown is him aoeing and using the aoe to bounce damage

[gleaming pawn]

Flame strike cleave and Living Bomb just doing absurd amounts of damage. It’s almost like buffing an ability by 800% is fucking dumb

[surreal barn]

So which tier set are we getting

Next season

[jolly sierra]

assa its getting s3 one again

cuz the voting

[surreal barn]

Our 4 set sucks tho

[jolly sierra]

i inow

know

its something with the 2set

i would rather prefer to have the s1 set

[surreal barn]

I didn’t play assa s1 and 2

[jolly sierra]

but andys decided for s3

[surreal barn]

What was s1 bonus

[jolly sierra]

s2 was the worst one

s1 was increased damage in bleeds

[surreal barn]

🤦‍♂️

[jolly sierra]

s1 2set was increased damage with poisons after envenom too

[surreal barn]

Eh wouldn’t enjoy playing around envenom

[jolly sierra]

s2 was doing a little damage with rupture in 2set (killed stealth with that through a bug) and 4set was increased nature damage after deathmark fading

[surreal barn]

I guess could but we already manage a bit

The good part about not messing with a new set bonus is tuning might be better

Instead of s1 nerfing us to oblivion

[fallen scaffold]

How's outlaw feel

Noticeable nerfs?

[gleaming pawn]

yep outlaw is ded. better roll Fire mage

[stoic spruce]

too bad, so sad :/

[sick wasp]

keep it up man,one game at a time 💪

[sick wasp]

Sub is the way

[narrow tangle]

its okay

I ve seen a lot of fire mages recently and i believe they re working good for them

[fallen scaffold]

2.2k+ was nothing but frost/demo and dh/destro imo

ye outlaw feels aight, float like a butterfly nerf is shitty tho

[wanton breach]

oh sweet summer child

[surreal barn]

Since when has more change = better tuning

More often than not fixing new interactions cause unintended cascading effects. S1 was pre rogue rework.

[wintry dew]

Assuming they will tune better

[surreal barn]

Rogue only get buffs

Never nerfs.

[wanton breach]

[narrow tangle]

patch notes are just placebo

[sharp sierra]

Outlaw is dead?

[robust grotto]

for sub im stacking as much mastery as i can so i crafted most items but should i run dbl pvp daggers or craft a sword for more mastery?

[sick wasp]

two daggers

even in pvp a 1ilvl dagger wins a 489pvp ilvl slow oh coz shadowtechniques translates to more combo points and energy and tier set procs

generally more dmg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRc4duP9q2c

there is noting wrong with fire mage

everything's fine btw

tanking entire teams while cleaving them down

[surreal barn]

Looks cheesy and fun tbh

8 fire mage battleground 😂

[sick wasp]

Thought frost got gigabuggef

fire does dmg that doesnt even registers

ignite/flamestrike

[waxen meteor]

Mage alt?

[surreal barn]

I do have the name Jaina…

[narrow tangle]

it's okay imo

so how's the outlaw working for you after patch

gentleman

[torpid garden]

25k less dps lol

given.. i just started diving into pvp on my rogue last weekend... explains why i felt so shitty playing last night though

is assassin viable vs sub or is sub just that much better>

[narrow tangle]

dmg wasnt nerfed tho :o

[narrow tangle]

both are viable for rss imo, sub is more fun

[outer sky]

/use 14
/castsequence reset=10 Shadow Dance, Cheap shot, Shadowy Duel, Symbols of Death, Eviscerate, Sepsis, Secret Technique, Cheap Shot, Eviscerate, Cheap Shot, Eviscerate

Can someone tell me why this macro stops working after duel goes off?

[stoic spruce]

all 3 rogues are in the top 5 melee

youre fine with any of them

[sharp sierra]

what spec of rogue for healer 2s

[torpid garden]

im enjoying outlaw. consistent damage can keep pressure easy

Any suggestions as outlaw??

[torpid garden]

yeah i been forgetting my initial roll the dice before open haha

[stoic spruce]

Rdruid or MW for 2s.

[torpid garden]

Mw feels good

[sick wasp]

refuse to play outlaw on rated pvp outside rbgs

also how is that ''ok''

do you know many classes that do that? 🙂

[tropic mason]

i thought fire mage was in a decent spot before the pvp patch, were they not

[sick wasp]

cool but not crazy

[narrow tangle]

it was one of the least played spec and i dont think it will fotm

my opinion is not logical but i think as a class fantasy, fire mage should deal tons of aoe dmg, if it ever gets to meta they can nerf defensive and make it glass cannon

[lone goblet]

If anything fire should be a dot class. Burn wounds take a long time to kill.

maybe with cc too because fire hurts a lot

[waxen meteor]

it depends on the temperature

[sick wasp]

doubt it will ''fotm'' anytime soon,its always powerful,the best time to actually have a proper ''view'' of the specc is by the launch of the next season

for now though

its insane

no specc should be allowed to ''tank'' and kill entire teams just like that

period

[tribal badger]

wdym by tank

fire is a very squishy spec

nowhere in this video of rbgs did i ever see him getting focused down

idk if its just enemy team incompetance, but he just wasnt getting attacked in most of these clips

the aoe is def silly and needs to be fixed but i dont think fire mage is considered to be tanky in pvp, pretty sure they r the squishiest mage spec?

[sick wasp]

he was literally run down by a war and a monk twice

[tribal badger]

in thr rbg?

[sick wasp]

even the evoker

no

[tribal badger]

oh

when u said "tanking the whole team" i assumed u meant the rbg

[sick wasp]

.......................

[tribal badger]

since casters have been able to sit and facetank melee all expac in arena

mage less so then some but still

[sick wasp]

rbgs are whatever

[tribal badger]

like fire mage is probably the least tanky caster in the game? spriest, warlock, ele, evoker all tankier then them

they also have the smallest hp pool due to not having any stamina amps im aware of

if the fire mage is sitting tanking an arena team its not because they are fire

[sick wasp]

far from it,it can easily tank more than a lock

[tribal badger]

anyway

how?

[sick wasp]

the problem is the dmg while doing that

[tribal badger]

well yes their entire rotation is instant

same for ele

u training them shouldnt really reduce their damage that is true

[sick wasp]

and the most cringe of all is the incredible capacity to cc

[tribal badger]

mage has always been the cc caster yea

[sick wasp]

fukin ridiculous

[tribal badger]

its why they usually arent overtuned damage wise

[sick wasp]

like blinks into db sheep

im trying to find a healer to rspond to that

only hpallies to presac

or bos

[waxen meteor]

to be fair, mage shouldn't be face casting on melee

[surreal barn]

I haven’t had a problem vs them

[waxen meteor]

it's a class with great mobility and kiting ability with cc kit

for things like SP (that has literally 0 mobility skill), face cast can be okay

[tribal badger]

rogues very good vs mage

especially outlaw vs this new cheesy fire mage

since all it does is spam aoe

[waxen meteor]

yeah i am not saying we have problems

[tribal badger]

feint pov

[waxen meteor]

just saying in general, face cast caster is not a good thing

btw, is SP good nowadays?

still don't see many in solo

[surreal barn]

Yes

Good af

You come across some sp gods once in a while

[waxen meteor]

I probably should play sp alt

i kinda like playing it

[surreal barn]

With less DHs they are gonna climb even better

[waxen meteor]

yeah problem of sp is you got 1038210381 melee on you and you have no way to avoid it

[surreal barn]

You can use that to your advantage though

[waxen meteor]

but it's also easier for me somehow because i am not that good in kiting haha

i struggled last season for mage

not really struggle but i didn't reach 2100 with mage

[surreal barn]

Tarny you’d be proud I did a MM match yesterday

[waxen meteor]

haha you are mm?

[surreal barn]

Set the rogue aside for 30 minutes

[waxen meteor]

tbh hunter can kite dh extremely well

[surreal barn]

I have one lol. Wanted to pop some fire mage ass

They completely wreck em.

[waxen meteor]

i think last season i received a lot of pms in solo just because i kited dh lol

hunter vs mage in solo last season was basically autowin

especailly mm

you can hardly lose

and that's also one of the reasons (i think) my mage didn't make 2100 last season...

autolose to hunters...

and wins easily the melee

it's highly depending on lobby....

[wise shoal]

does anyone have a horde panda rogue that would let me kill them for an achievement? id tip you for your time

i feel like no one in the world plays pandas 💔

[waxen meteor]

lol we have a classic/signature panda rogue in this channel

[waxen meteor]

what you talking about, see above

[wise shoal]

been trying for 3 months even offering 100k in trade chat but its literally been 3 months xD

[sick wasp]

SP is very solid and strong

also good dam

but if i were to play a caster now it would prolly be mage,its just ridiculously mobile,tanky and incredible dam

devs that actually pushed this are trolling

Ele is also very pog

very memie LB procs

[waxen meteor]

@jolly sierra

[jolly sierra]

he is american

better ask banditt for that

[tribal badger]

man i remember last turkey day i had so many people willing to pay me to let them turkey me

guess there arent that many worgen rogues either

[gleaming pawn]

I used to be one back in Cata! But most don’t bother with flavor anymore when racials are game breaking in all the content that matters

[waxen meteor]

tbh

you can kill yourself

by creating another char

log in with another char (with correct race/class etc., better with a test char so it's lv60 and you can teleport to main town to avoid travel time) then, just close the app

and reopen and loggin with main char

as long as you don't have 134280384 addons to load and your computer is good

you can make it

i did my troll rogue achievement like that

@wise shoal

but best way is just to ask a friend to create a test play char, so easy

[surreal barn]

45 min queue so far at 2200 for a spec that’s barely played

Shit is dead.

[surreal barn]

Congrats @open heron lookin good

Mainly dot em up, cc well enough in the opener that you can save your offensives till their defensives are done. When Dr is back up go for a kill. Don’t waste bomb.

But if you made it to 2k you already know this

[sick wasp]

shuffles kinda cringe coz u very much run down something until it dies but speaking out of experience,dont brawl as a Sin rogue,always try to press for the ''isolate''.Try to have your eyes open for cross cc and press that bomb to kill.

[eternal obsidian]

Hey, so I just got gametime(I'm sick and super bored) and I have no idea how to even do a basic pvp rotation. From what I've gathered, we seem to have gotten a new season last november? Which I'm unsure of wether or not it brought any balancing changes. I'm looking for a good guide on the basic rotation as well as some burst info. Not sure if palumors videos are still relevant, for pvp!

[wintry dew]

Lets go brother, huge achievment, keep going as you are right now

[sick wasp]

palumor does good vids yes,should actually check him streaming he explains stuff alot

nahj as well,very high quality rogue

Whaazz and Raz from europe

[eternal obsidian]

but like, the problem with this game, is that even as someone who has over 6000 hours in this game, I came back and feel like I don't understand my character for shit

Am I expected to spend hours watching someones stream just to learn how to play?

[unborn void]

I mean it’s just like every game that has updates, things change and you gotta relearn if you’ve been absent

Streams aren’t required more of just a tool, use wowhead icyveins or any other online resource guide you find

[hushed cradle]

I'm super confused about the PVP system my rogue friends. I have full BIS PVE gear. What's the point in getting PVP gear besides trinkets?

(Playing outlaw and stats seem to be the same as PVE)

[sick wasp]

no but its a good way to learn stuff while u playing

think of it as a guide to perfoming in current pvp meta

since there arent rly many written guides to read,anything visual will help you alot

and whats better than watching high rated rogues that can also explain stuff

[hushed cradle]

can somebody please help? ☝️

[eternal obsidian]

it takes time, I don't have the time sift through hours of stream content to learn the basics.

[astral snow]

I believe it is a combination of stats and a more complete ilvl system.

You definitely want PvP Gear for PvP content.

Does anybody else remember “Resiliency” from WoD?

[eternal obsidian]

that was the best shit

[surreal barn]

You mean where nothing ever died

[astral snow]

WoD was wild. Honestly feels like a fever dream

[surreal barn]

Not even in an 8 second kidney lol

[eternal obsidian]

still though, it was the better pvp system

[astral snow]

WoD was a grind. PvP will forever be on the back burner for Blizzard. It is what it is.

[surreal barn]

I like queuing solo now tho

Get rid of that and idk man

[waxen meteor]

I wonder what 10.2.6 brings

[narrow tangle]

thats harsh man...

[waxen meteor]

He asked that…

[narrow tangle]

as long as if you know your rotation, just setup a big cd weakaura and queue 🤩

[sharp sierra]

I was told Outlaw is hard, and min maxing damage while cc'ing is why . . . where can I learn?

[narrow tangle]

i dont think its hard

[narrow tangle]

palumor had video for outlaw pvp dmg rotation

[surreal barn]

Pirates take over boralus

[stoic spruce]

the B plot for TWW

[idle root]

POV: you're tryna play a battleground blitz

[gleaming pawn]

all day every day

[jolly sierra]

this was w my full green rog

[sharp sierra]

they ignored you what a bold move

[wide flax]

Yo boys, im interesting and hearing what comp you enjoy the most playing rn as outlaw. 3s ofc.

[sick wasp]

u will learn them while playing,no one really asked u to spend ''hours'' just pointed a direction.If u find better ways to learn faster its up to you.The specific way its what most ppl do that actually spend some time to learn stuff.

Its a simple thing,the more time u spend on something the more familiar u become with it and gain more experience

that applies to eveyrhting in life

[jolly sierra]

glad i was able to shove something before the coward throw the ignore

[narrow tangle]

rmx

[sick wasp]

scooby doo/Survival-Thug cleave

[surreal barn]

Who even names this shit

How Now Brown Cow Cleave

All Tauren

[sick wasp]

scooby doo stands for Ret-Rogue-Rdrood(or hpally preferably)

its an old memie comp for 3s

smokes healers

thug cleave stands for Hunter-Rogue-Priest

or put whatever healer u want in general,priest is prefered coz its more aggressive

[surreal barn]

Gotcha

[surreal barn]

the cow climbs

[sick wasp]

very good dmg

mmr in ur ''waters''

climb that mountain,u got this

[surreal barn]

Been doing the leap frog w 2 other rogues lol

Both of the ones with engineering deal about 6% more damage

[sick wasp]

yup engi head^^

[surreal barn]

I go wrist and head

[sick wasp]

even better

[surreal barn]

On the human I even drop trinket sometimes lol

For the double dps one

[sick wasp]

lol

yup

thats how its done

[surreal barn]

Really depends on the comp and what healer you have

[sick wasp]

yeah personally i dont rly hope on anything but when i que 3s i rly base my hopes and everything on my healer

he's the one that calls my clos and trinket

normally i dont accept that but whatever

[surreal barn]

Yeah the lack of communication in shuffle makes that part so confusing

[sick wasp]

part of why i dont rly like shuffle

cant rly play ''optimally''

u kinda hope for ppl to ''see'' what u can see

[surreal barn]

A good healer picks up after a match or two how aggressive those cds are gonna be though

[sick wasp]

yup

[long shore]

Feeling so hardstuck as outlaw in shuffle. Always get idiot demo locks and dragons putting everything on stun Dr for no reason

[tawny kestrel]

why does that matter as outlaw

[long shore]

So just press dance and blast with no stun?

[tawny kestrel]

yeah just do damage

[long shore]

Sometimes I don’t even know if it’s worth to kidney the healer… do damage and just ignore CC mostly ?

[surreal barn]

@wintry dew when’s this xmog competition

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/load-loading-april-fools-gif-5435835

#transmog message

[tribal badger]

outlaw does alot of damage

just stun the non dr'd target or gouge off ur allies stun and blast a guy constantly

[long shore]

Okay got it, think less blast more

Turn off sub brain, activate DH brain

[quaint cedar]

Hey, outlaw players, you guys having any problems with using vanish and when you leave stealth, you don't get subterfuge at all? I haven't been able to nail down what is causing it. It's not hunter flare - I'm sure I wasn't flared, and I've even had it happen in games where there was no hunter.

[tribal badger]

!stealthbug

oh theres no bot in here xd

these r the known stealth bugs currently

for pve

[quaint cedar]

Thanks! Dumb question but does badge trinket break stealth? I have that macro'd to BTE on my stealth bar.

Otherwise I'm quite sure it wasn't either of the other two conditions.

[tribal badger]

i honestly have no clue

wouldnt be hard to test

[radiant glen]

Im pretty sure it does

[tribal badger]

but im not at my wow PC currently

[pale storm]

Yeah badge breaks stealth unfort

[quaint cedar]

damn that sucks, must be what is causing it then

[tribal badger]

i just macro mine to dance

since the cds line up and i try to do it close to on cd anyway

[quaint cedar]

sure would be nice if we could cut down on these stealth bugs since every rogue spec relies on stealth windows so much now

Yeah, that's what I used to do. I moved it to BTE because I wanted it to activate for any stealth window, not just dance.

[tribal badger]

hes trying his best

[quaint cedar]

LOL

Guess it's not an easy bug to fix then

That's unfortunate

[tribal badger]

subterfuge has had so many bugs around it since it was first made as a talent

it must just be spaghetti behind the scenes yea

[quaint cedar]

Yeah, guess so

Hmm I wonder if maybe I can macro it so that the BTE casts first instead of the trinket. But the trinket is off GCD so not sure if the order really matters within the macro, might not fix it.

[tribal badger]

order doesnt matter for ogcd things

it just does it all at once

so yea that wont work

[quaint cedar]

damn

I guess I'll just put it back on shadow dance then

And have to attempt to remember to manually press it if I want it from vanish or regular stealth

Ugggghh

[narrow tangle]

based

[narrow tangle]

cc if position is convenient, yr not sub so dont overthink about cross cc imo (in solo shuffle)

[stoic spruce]

Dk trees are doa

You can't give feedback because they don't listen.

Rogues take realz for granted

[gleaming pawn]

And yet we have Feinter coming next expac

[stoic spruce]

honestly

I like it

however I dont want to share a tree with sub

fatebound is cool

[quaint cedar]

I think pressing feint for offensive gains is going to be an issue design-wise

otherwise I like the tree, I just hope fazed gets triggered by something else

[tawny kestrel]

you havent read the tree at all have u

[narrow tangle]

freddy fazedbear

[quaint cedar]

what do you mean? If you're referring to some of the other things that can trigger it, I get that. But unless thousand cuts has a high chance to trigger the effect, you're still going to be spamming feint a lot to get fazed up

[idle root]

this sounds insane doesnt it? feral might be back on the menu

[quaint cedar]

that sounds awesome for feral

I used to be a feral main, maybe I'll finally play it again

[gleaming pawn]

Feral main, you mean “we have rogue at home” 🙂

[surreal barn]

I shall not enjoy playing against that 😂

[mortal jay]

meat

looks like "MEAT" is back on the menu boys!

said one lesbean to her friends

[jolly sierra]

played w the alt rog in a blitz

ended winning, nice

crappy gear in its highest

[long shore]

I see. Thanks I’ll try more DPS then and focus on more damage

[marsh kestrel]

so

i want to start

where do i start

[boreal shale]

the big blue button here

[marsh kestrel]

sorry i thought i was in rouge channel not clown channel i'll leave

[outer sky]

Can we no longer blind>sap??

[tribal badger]

nope

need to be cc > blind > sap

[mortal jay]

rogue ...not rouge 🙂

[sick wasp]

🫶

[wintry dew]

You made my day xDD

[boreal shale]

this is a discord channel not an airport, no need to announce your departure

[harsh kiln]

make a rogue, choose your spec and start playing, start there. check leaderboards and streams for gear/talent/how to play. that's pretty much it

[wintry dew]

Oh and check murlok.io aswell, really good info there about gear/enchants/stat prio

[jolly sierra]

bruh boy thought this was a walmart

[wintry dew]

Wait this isn't?

[restive hemlock]

May I ask, which rogue spec is easiest to play in PvP? I got experience in PvP on other classes, but never played rogue there.

[quaint cedar]

All 3 have their challenges. Rogue is generally hard to pick up for the first time. Assa is usually considered the easiest, though right now it is a bit weaker than the other two specs. I'd say just pick whichever one appeals to you the most.

[jolly sierra]

i work in a hotel, but this im off shift

[wintry dew]

Ahahah, fair enough. You like your job?

[jolly sierra]

nuh oh, only the money from tips lol

[wintry dew]

Damn those Spanish people

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-money-angels-swimming-in-cash-im-rich-just-got-paid-gif-26621734

[narrow tangle]

goodbye and welcome back to ret pala community enjoy your wheelchair while crying about how le x spec is so strong subreddit

[wintry dew]

Damn you didn't hold back

[narrow tangle]

I'd suggest outlaw, it has nice cdr based mobility, good sustained dmg, good defensive (recently nerfed but still okay), decent cleave. i think its good for rss overall. assa is least defensive rogue spec so you're going to get trained a lot and probably die a lot at first, also your dots will be removed often so get prepared to be annoyed. but its not bad, bleed execution and kingsbane are scary. both feels easier compare to sub, especially in solo shuffle. but I'd suggest you to try and learn sub in 2v arena, maybe with a friend, its fun

[restive hemlock]

Thank you for awesome answer. I will start with outlaw then! I play only solo shuffle and sometimes RBGs (when I get in grp) on my classes. Also enjoy BG blitz a lot. So outlaw and then I look into others 😄

[waxen meteor]

Outlaw isn’t targeted in solo much that’s a good thing

For rbg I don’t know know i rarely touch it. But I feel sub can do more

[quaint cedar]

Sub is usually always better for RBG. Outlaw is okay ish but the CDR mechanics don't play well with a rogue's role in RBG

[long shore]

As outlaw, I started doing more damage and focused less on CC. Saw my rating go up by 50 today in shuffle. Good times

Which are the best roll the bone buffs? I feel like I’m constantly rerolling everytime it’s off cd, unless it’s the shark buff then I try to keep it as long as I can

[idle root]

any macro savvy here can help me with a macro? i want a macro that does:
if i have a focus, cast said ability on focus
if i dont have a focus, cast on mouseover target
if i dont have focus or anything moused over, cast on target

it would for be for an offensive spell btw (cant use on allies)

tyvm in advance

[tribal badger]

#showtooltip
/cast [@focus, exists][@mouseover,exists][] Ability name

should do that

#showtooltip
/cast [@focus, exists, harm][@mouseover,exists, harm][] ability name

if u wanna disclude allies so it will skip over them

[upper crag]

is the outlaw faq up to date? the assa one is not

[idle root]

tyvm homie

[honest lynx]

This the last week of the season anyone know

[ornate mauve]

no

[surreal barn]

I think we have 4-5 weeks left - someone actually pushing correct me

[gleaming pawn]

"season 4 will start several weeks after 10.2.0.6 launch"

so "several weeks" is all we know come Tuesday

[ornate mauve]

thought sting like a bee would be worthwhile to run every game since float got nerfed, didnt know sting was nerfed to 5% in pvp :I

[halcyon timber]

Prey on the weak always was so that inherited over

[ornate mauve]

ye this my first season playing rogue so i didnt know

[long shore]

I feel like float still has much more value over sting

The extra evasion has helped me survive so many times I would have died in shuffle without it

[sick wasp]

its not

@honest lynx

[nova viper]

Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeexo

[stoic spruce]

if you play outlaw, ping me. I want you to try a build on a dummy and tell you what you think. Has to be a dummy because its a bad build in terms of damage and I dont want you to go through that.

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

[sharp sierra]

What is my best chance vs a destro warlock in a duel as rogue?

[sick wasp]

sin or sub should win 6-7 out of 10

but u need to be specc'd into heavy countering his casts

[sharp sierra]

I’m sin because it seems easier

[sick wasp]

sin vs any lock is basicly pve rotation

[sharp sierra]

I still lose tho

I get pet slept or coiled into sleep

[sick wasp]

blind his pet then

[sharp sierra]

His pet is in stealth

[sick wasp]

when she comes out

[sharp sierra]

Still lost

Did what you said

[sick wasp]

its kinda up to you what you should trinket playing vs destro any golem procs on top of cb casts

you should trinket those

[sharp sierra]

He has an answer for everything

[sick wasp]

do u even press deathmark

[sharp sierra]

Can’t seem to get through everything, what is golem procs

Ya I do

In the opener or what

[sick wasp]

try killing his pet

[sharp sierra]

I think he’d do a big setup before I could

[sick wasp]

bomb it and chain clos

even commit cds

[sharp sierra]

Chain clos?

[sick wasp]

after the box

..

[sharp sierra]

Hmm, ok

Seems hard XD

[sick wasp]

to bomb the pet and force his golem?

idk man

[sharp sierra]

What is golem bro

[sick wasp]

infernal

[sharp sierra]

Oh! Ok

He plays bonds of fel magic ward and soul rip

[sick wasp]

ye then he is into hard countering melees

its about 50-50 then

but still u need to judge where it can go

there is no general guidelines for duels

e.g run down the DK

send everything

[sharp sierra]

Ya I can’t beat a destro

Just not good enough