pvp

[jolly sierra]

well that arena was funny af, but unfair

[wintry dew]

As I said earlier in the transmog channel, I would love for a world remake, like a ff14 a realm reborn type of event

[tribal badger]

i think the problem they realized in cata is, theres little reason to do world remakes because only a scarce percentage of the playerbase interacts with pre expansion leveling at all

or cares enough to engage with that content

in cata they did the whole world revamp and it had mixed reviews but a majority of players didnt even engage with it

[wintry dew]

Because Blizzard wants it that way

I'm ff14 you can queu for "between lvl 16 and 50 dungeons" and you'll get base game dungeons.
Then "50-60" / "60-70" etc etc

And all of them give exp even if you past the level of the queu

[tribal badger]

well u can basically do that also in wow

just not at the levels of the current expac

[wintry dew]

Yes but no

You have to go out of your way

To do that

[tribal badger]

u need to turn on whatever chromie time yea

[jolly sierra]

well, at start was funny

[tribal badger]

most people just buy a boost anyway

they dont level

[jolly sierra]

but after some time

[wintry dew]

Because it is boring to lvl like that

[jolly sierra]

i felt like "it didnt felt the same"

maybe cata was easier to engage

but doesnt have the same feeling as pre exp

[wintry dew]

This is what it looks like there

[jolly sierra]

still recall random allies running around for horde zones waving people

[wintry dew]

You can just QUEU

[tribal badger]

well yes thats fair now because like i said, most of the pre cata old world did not have linear questlines/overarching zone stories

oh yea i remember trying that in ff14

it was super cringe because it locks you out of all ur level abilities to whatever abilities u had at that level

[jolly sierra]

i recall guild wars too now

[tribal badger]

so most of the dungeons just ended up being 2 button rotations

at least the ones i got

would be a neat idea if it didnt have that feature

[jolly sierra]

i dropped it was boring af to level up

[jolly sierra]

well dude, i can shove my words if they let me get back to old zones with some bronze dragon shit

just miss it

[languid ravine]

its wows biggest missed opportunity imo

its got a HUGE world

but 99.9999% of it is worthless

[jolly sierra]

the other thing i miss a lot

is sunken temple last floor

they scrapped a lot that dungeon

[wintry dew]

Up until 50 yeah, most jobs were not finished

[tribal badger]

right but why scale ur actual class level down to that and not just ur hp/damage numbers

in the wow dungeons at least u get to use all the abilities u have unlocked

everything just scales to level

[wintry dew]

Yeah now imagine wow and ff14 Collab where both learn from each other

[jolly sierra]

would be uncomfortable af to lose ur skills in scaling shit

[jolly sierra]

well that FF14 creator was a huge wow fan i recall

[tribal badger]

ya thats what always threw me off about the ff14 daily roulette

[wintry dew]

Yes he was

[jolly sierra]

took a lot of stuff from it

[tribal badger]

not knowing which of my abilities would deactivate or not (because i hadnt been doing it for that long)

also just felt wrong to have ur whole bar grey out when u entered a dungeon

makes scaling tech less complicated ig

[jolly sierra]

imagine losing shit like adrenaline rush or sectec cuz not enough level

cuz talents didnt reach the level in that dungeon

awful

[wintry dew]

In ff14 that concept isn't as bad but yes as a wow player I felt the same way you guys are describing

[jolly sierra]

well FF14 still have its good stuff

[wintry dew]

Their transmog system beats wow 100-0

[jolly sierra]

they never backed up like blizz did with fruit bowls

[wintry dew]

And cat girls exist

[jolly sierra]

we even got censored in emotes

ye, no shame so no restrictions

blizz would turn the catgirl into a fridge tho

lol

[wintry dew]

And devs make the armor actually sexy for female characters

Plus they're huge on emotes

It's a fantastic game to play casually

BUT their pvp sucks

[jolly sierra]

booba

[jolly sierra]

ohh tell us about that

[willow valley]

🤨

[wintry dew]

Imagine you click kidney shot, but there's an animation and it takes 3 business days to stun the target

Now apply to all abilities

[willow valley]

💀

[jolly sierra]

its THAT delayed?

holy shit

even in vanilla fkn kidney was insta

ah btw gratz for ur pink xmog promote

[wintry dew]

PvE wise it doesn't matter, every ability has an animation but you get used to it, wow is extremely responsive, you press a key and something instantly happens.
In FF 14 when you press a key you start the animation of said ability and the effect will take an long as the animation roles to get the effect off

Let me check a video

[jolly sierra]

i think i can imagine that

its like u are charging a fkn beam of light

and its not done till its finished

instead doing it alongside the animation

[wintry dew]

https://youtu.be/zFbvDOSIGbI?si=sAoWO_X5DWWQIqMl ninja might not be the best example but you can still "feel it"

He presses the button, the character goes into an animation, and the DMG only happens when "dagger hits the target" or "shurikens hit the target"

[wintry dew]

Thanks it's for transmog channel :3

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHH

[lyric reef]

yo is it worth to re cheap shot as outlaw during subterfudge window

[stoic spruce]

RAHHH YES

Depending on the situation but usually yeah

[jolly sierra]

indeed very stunning animation

but ye, wtf is wrong w abilities

lol

[wintry dew]

You press them to start the animation, instead of you press = thing happened

[jolly sierra]

ye

delayed

like pre cata heroic strike

[wintry dew]

That's EXACTLY it

[jolly sierra]

uh

[wintry dew]

Still extremely fun game

[jolly sierra]

can see that

[wintry dew]

It's an rpg first, and MMO later

[jolly sierra]

the guy did a very good job

with the game

[wintry dew]

The guy actually plays the game

And he plays the hardest (open to discussion) class in the game

Even pvps with said class and got to a huge rank

That guy is built different

[stoic spruce]

Is there an undead race?

[tribal badger]

no

theres humans, impish humans, tall lizard humans, humans with cat ears, humans with bunny ears, and strapping cat men

oh and elves

very tall elves

[wintry dew]

Yeah, that's a pretty good resume

[jolly sierra]

a real gamer who plays his game to see what is right and what is wrong?

yeah, true chad

[lyric reef]

do u guys use ur dance and vanish windows for damage or for cc?

[wintry dew]

Assassination not really afaik because we only have access to 1 every 2 mins, OL and Sub can use them offensively

[tribal badger]

both

[jolly sierra]

german homies how this stuff taste? it come w the collector stuff

[teal path]

Sub rogue begginer
Hello people ! I am using this combo for my burst, do you think it's any good ?

medalion -> Symbols+Blades+Dance (in macro) -> Cheapshot -> Flaggelation -> Backstab -> Kidney Shot -> Shadowstrike -> Coldblood+Secret Tecnique -> Backstab -> Eviscerate

The thought behind is this:

I dont mind using the backstab after flaggelation even though i have already full ComboPoints cause i am using it to build macabre stacks.

This combo enables me to keep the target stunlocked for the full duration of the combo with a second to spare in case something goes wrong.
Secret tech does about 500k dmg
After secret tec i can spam backstab eviscerate to cast eviscerate at 7 macabre stacks as the cherry on top.

I am a complete begginer, playing for 1 month, so what i would like to know is if my thought process is on the right track.

ps.(if i am posting this at the wrong place let me know)
Thx for reading 🙂

some more info is the total of dmg is around 800K-1M on target dummy and its duration is the duration of shadow dance (8s)

[languid ravine]

dont know this particular version, but center shock is like a juicy burst of fruity sour for 10 seconds, then it becomes bland chewing gum without any taste

so its basically Sub rogue

[surreal barn]

I use vanish offensively as assa

[boreal shale]

it's not good at all

1, you don't run flagellation in pvp this season
2. Kidney always goes first, you want to stun 3 times in 1 dance
3. with blades your cheap shot grants 7 combo points, no builder after any cheap shot with blades. Even for danse you want to hit backstab at 0 combo, not 7

[tribal badger]

u will do way more damage doubling the amount of evis u throw in that stun chain rather then trying to max stack macabre so hard

ur just throwing CPs out the window

[boreal shale]

yeah, i'd swap the first shadowstrike out for backstab but never eviscerate for backstab

[jolly sierra]

ah its gum

well, can try it

[boreal shale]

it's easier to think about your rotation like this: if you're doing triple cs then it's gonna be cs > 3 globals > cs > 1 global > cs 1 global (for orc it will be 2 globals + wait .5s then next cs). for kidney you'll do kidney > 4 globals > cs > 1 global > cs > 1 global.

builder at 5 cp and less, spender at 6 and 7 cp

i always do big dmg spells first because it guarantees damage if someone trinkets or your teamate breaks cc. Don't need to hold damage for danse, unlike pve there's no knowing you'll get your damage off or not

[tribal badger]

^ you'll often get it off before people use walls or healers react to use defensives as well

that sec tech does alot more damage to a non PS/ironbarked target

danse is less important

[boreal shale]

exactly

[teal path]

i see ,
First of all thx for the detailed answer.

I ll get rid of flagelation which was kind of ruining my combo already and will try your suggestions,
I hadn't thought about cheap and kidney in the way you described it so this will help a lot for sure!

[teal path]

thx for the info as well !!

should i untalent it completely maybe?

[boreal shale]

yeah it's way way easier to adapt if you think of it as in how many globals you can fit in instead of locking yourself into a rotation. Make it really easier to make plays with bomb, duel or just plain re cc a trinket

[boreal shale]

i'm running goremaw + echo build. Feels really good for me

[tribal badger]

no u still want to use sec tech (u can think of it as a giant evis almost) but its important to get lots of finishers off during ur stun chain rather then focusing on trying to max out danse macabre stances is what i was saying

[languid ravine]

flagellation is still decent but not sure what talent you would drop for it

[teal path]

i havent picked lingering shadow and perforated vbeins

[boreal shale]

BUQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfsBAk0SAAAAAAItkkUSEJpIJhIgkkEJSLlQUahEHIJCoEBAAAgEkA

try this

in a burst goremaw goes first then ST then echo

[teal path]

i could try , i ve never played with goremaw and echo , but i can give it a shot if thats what i am supposed to be doin

[boreal shale]

you'll need to be careful about your energy but goremaw makes it a lot easier to burst

oh and run superior mixture instead of featherfoot btw, i was messing around with it

[teal path]

ok , thx ! back to the target dummy i ll go

[boreal shale]

aight gl

[surreal barn]

@wintry dew

ROYALLL

[wintry dew]

Thats me

[surreal barn]

you trying to convert every channel

lol

[wintry dew]

LOL

[surreal barn]

TO TAKE OVER

[wintry dew]

Wait, dafuq is that "highlights"?

[surreal barn]

IDK man iOS just started doing that shit last week for me

[wintry dew]

I have NO idea what that is but it is indeed working

[pale storm]

I almost bought one of those shirts on eBay, they look dope

[surreal barn]

My favorite is the Jinx class shirts

I don’t have a pic but it has two daggers and the nightslayer helm behind the rogue logo

[pale storm]

googling now 😮

[rough socket]

6

[lavish idol]

Airbound irritant vs Gouge for Solo Shuffle as Outlaw - discuss. I'm thnking the blind CD reduce justified the lesser duration of the effect itself (and applies to other DPS too)

[tribal badger]

airbound is awful

gouge always

[lavish idol]

but up 50% more often, surely counts for something

but agree gouge is the more reliable small cc/interupt

[tribal badger]

but its not a small cc

its like twice the duration of blind if u take airborn

and its up 10X as often

gouge is insane

[wintry dew]

And you don't put half their team in dr

[tribal badger]

and u dont uselessly dr everyone near the target including ur own target if ur not trying to cross cc

yea wouldnt recommend ever playing airborne vs anything

[lavish idol]

fair points, okay I'm convinced :p

gouge/blind share DR, opposed to cs/ks which are stuns right?

or actually is it gouge a incap, and blind a disorientate

[jolly sierra]

wtf why im there

[wintry dew]

Because you are an highlight

[willow valley]

hello

i dont know what to play

outlaw, assa, or sub

sub is a classic

and outlaw is fun

assa is a meh, but its fun too

do y'all think outlaw is good for 2v and 3v? and assa?

[lavish idol]

Outlaw is great in solo and arena atm, I made the switch recently and loving it

Not sure so much about 2s

[ornate mauve]

are yall making it an effort to chain cheap shot ? i feel like double or triple dr’ing usually is too much of a dps loss for crackshot

• for outlaw ofc

[tribal badger]

only if i think i might literally land a kill with my partner in the next gcd by preventing them from pressing a button

[willow valley]

i mean

[tribal badger]

which is more rare as outlaw

generally i only go to second DR

[willow valley]

for 2v or 3v is good

cuz u also have ur teammate

[tribal badger]

you give up way more damage as outlaw cheap shotting during ur goes anyway

just the way it is

[willow valley]

ye

me too

but idk why i got some monkes on my guild saying "ItS nOt GUud"

and they dont even know how rogue works

or what shadow dance is

[ornate mauve]

also what is the benefit of having dagger off hand

is it just faster attack speed, faster poison procs ? more gauche procs ?

[willow valley]

gauche is only with MH

i guess is for poison procs

[stoic spruce]

Poison procs

But I'd rather have the off hand be 1h so I have cooler mogs

[willow valley]

😂

ye, i mean, poisons are not super important if ur not playing with assa right?

the slow and heal reduction are good

[tribal badger]

its a very minor gain

its just free damage so most go for it

[willow valley]

but meh

[tribal badger]

since dagger has good outlaw stats

[willow valley]

ye

[tribal badger]

also lets u have a conq item for multiple specs with one buy

mh for dagger specs, oh for law

u basically need to go out of ur way to get a slow oh for law for the tmog, which is fine to do

just not efficient and an extremely marginal damage loss

[willow valley]

i go like this

axe + dagger is da best

[stoic spruce]

Boringggg

[willow valley]

shut uuuup popo

what do u have

🤨

[stoic spruce]

Bro you couldn't even comprehend it

[willow valley]

nah nah

dont make excuses

show it

[jolly sierra]

is he showing xmogs?

[willow valley]

nah

im still waiting

ill be watching #transmog channel popo

[inner tartan]

so on my outlaw i stack stats similar to pve and dont run mastery

is that bad

[wintry dew]

outlaw ---> vers + crit

so you gucci

[willow valley]

honestly

idk

i dont think is good to focus on crit over vers or mast

30% crit is good

[inner tartan]

these are my stats but most outlaw i run across run mastery

[willow valley]

and mastery 50% more or less

[willow valley]

mmhh

[wintry dew]

https://murlok.io/rogue/outlaw/solo

[willow valley]

interesting

[willow valley]

ye

but theres also pros playing with mastery

[inner tartan]

ok so if i was 2 mid max less ves more mastery

[wintry dew]

Pros can play whatever they want

because it gets to a point where their skill >>>> stats they are running

[inner tartan]

i mean my rogue is 2000 so i think i have some skill hehe im not sure if stats are that much of a game changer i think i just need to be less zug zug kill and use some brain cells

[willow valley]

[willow valley]

stats are just an extra

[inner tartan]

sad i cant play like i do 0 - 1600 run out the gates and blow shit up : (

[willow valley]

more crit or more mastery doesnt make that much of a difference i think, but u can see the small difference

[inner tartan]

from what i see more masteyr is more substain melee damage more ves is more tanky and more finish / burst damage

[willow valley]

yes

one does more base damage, the other more finishing moves damage

[inner tartan]

on the bright side in damage i havnt been beat by another outlaw rogue and 2 my knowlege i dont think i have lost 2 one it just when im on my healer and i get them they all stack mastery not ves

[willow valley]

thats why i think its great to have a balance

and go 50% mast, 30% vers and 30% crit

[inner tartan]

ya i think i will mess around for fun what i also dont like is i swap of my outlaw 2 my sin rogue in 2s and my sin stack full masteyr but is sooo squishy compared to outlaw

is that cuz i stacked masteyr not ves as sin or is that just sin

[willow valley]

ye, if u can try what armor set gives u the best stats then go for it

i like my stats, but i dont have another option either

[inner tartan]

what spec do u play

[willow valley]

its hard to get more of those things to craft gear

[inner tartan]

i dont think i have ever touched sub in pvp i propaly should cuz they fuck me up in a 1v1

[willow valley]

sin and sub are squishy, but sub feels more tanky cuz u can enter and leave combat whenever u want and almost all the times u want

cuz of the 2 vanish

[inner tartan]

true

[willow valley]

but outlaw is just how it is

[inner tartan]

well outlaw make up for it with relentless blades

[willow valley]

outlaw is made to play out of stealth and be able to tank more

thats why he has more hp

[willow valley]

im main sub, but lately ive been playing outlaw hehe

i should get the outlaw role maybe

[inner tartan]

u can reset evasion super fast with relentless blades i run the feint deffense alot of the times and it ez to substain that and coninue normal rotation '

[willow valley]

ye

[inner tartan]

i just was general confused if i was missing something big about states as outlaw

i in general dislike mastery for outlaw a extra set of melee damage is kinda ehh to me

[willow valley]

thats also true, i almost forgot that with outlaw u have vanish, evasion... every 30-40 sec haha

[inner tartan]

yep

[willow valley]

thats pretty op if u know how to do it

[inner tartan]

u dont get kill control or burst the other 2 have but i like the substain style of outlaw

[willow valley]

ye

[inner tartan]

and outlaw can also be almost fully ranged with good rng in stealth windows

[willow valley]

outlaw doesnt have the strongest goes of all 3 specs

but the substain damage is pretty good

[willow valley]

true

[inner tartan]

and im pretty sure outlaw has the best cleave so i kinda want to get into 3s

[willow valley]

then go for it, outlaw its only bad for rbg so in arenas u can do pretty awesome things

but

[inner tartan]

because when i do rbg if they attack the flag im guarding after the inital burst everyone dose i normal end up as top or second 2 top damage

[willow valley]

there will always be that one guy telling u to play sub cuz "its better"

[inner tartan]

i do rbg as outlaw and ya in 1v1 we deffently fall of

o no it even better for me i join a group then get kicked they dont even ask haha

[tribal badger]

It does but it doesn't have the kinda cleave that pressures good healers in 3s

It's not a dh or afflock

The cleave is mostly just free

[inner tartan]

afflock cleave is insnae

i hate healing throu that shit

on my healers

dh are better 2 counter

[willow valley]

ye

[inner tartan]

or i just suck

[tribal badger]

We r just too slow to 1v1

U cant kill people before their team responds

[inner tartan]

but hay if they throu us in mid fight we give everyone a pema 15 percent hast and do mad cleave damage

[inner tartan]

ya

unless they are stupid or undergeared

[willow valley]

ye, i mean, outlaw is pretty good to give support and anoy the enemy team, but its true that sub is better for rbg cuz it can do that and also take flags easy

[inner tartan]

the shadowduel flag steal is pretty op

[willow valley]

ye

lol

for rbg i always have to play sub

cuz theres no spanish rogue players man

[inner tartan]

in pvp im a 1 trick pony xd

outlaw outlaw outlaw

[willow valley]

xd

[inner tartan]

i got everything up 2 1900 exept 3s which i dont play so need 2 but i kinda want to go higher so i need to start use more brain cells and less zug zug

how ever for see taregt kill target 1900 im happy with

[willow valley]

but 1.9k is pretty good man

im not even at 1k

well, i have to say that its hard for me to find good teammates for 3s as a spanish guy

[inner tartan]

ok also is it just me but in solo shuffle is 1000 - 1400 harder then 1600 - 1800

[willow valley]

yes

[surreal barn]

Weirdly it seems the same

[inner tartan]

team mate in general for pvp are so rng

[willow valley]

cuz at low ratings are 100% zug zug mode

[inner tartan]

get good one then u get the one which have no clue what they are doing and complete tank ur rating

[surreal barn]

I ran up a fresh rogue to 1950 today and it felt the same all the way

[willow valley]

so they are unpredictable

[inner tartan]

that me everyday

[inner tartan]

niceee
i feel 1900 - 2000 in solo press no deffensive

it all nutty 1 shots when i play solo if u couldnt burst that much damage u loss and the person which could would win 6/0

[surreal barn]

I feel like it depends on how good the DH or Destro is in your lobby

More than anything. lol

[inner tartan]

dh low cr are normal bad

which mess me over when i play a fress alt cuz i exept them 2 be good

and then they just fall over

[surreal barn]

Even at 2.2 the DHs aren’t use to being swapped to so you can get some easy kills

But if he’s good I have an awful time

[inner tartan]

i have seen that but at the same time they can heal sooo much

i need to make a dh to see what they use and how it work but they are like dk sometimes

[jolly sierra]

got a glad one in a match

OOF

[surreal barn]

I’m making a weakaura that has Owen Wilson say “wow” if any enemy drops to 30% health and has used all defensives

Editing the mes WA pack

[jolly sierra]

u will get bored after too much wow sound tho

[surreal barn]

Maybe.

[waxen meteor]

Just had one of the craziest lobby

I was like not even played in first 3 rounds

quite sad for 30 mins queue

R1 - Ele one shot war literally one shot
R2 - Ele one shot hpal literally one shot
R3 - Hpal got angry (with gla mount), saying i won't support this cheese way of playing and refused to heal ele

So I started 0-3 without even playing....

Then killed shammy 2 rounds
Last round setup a kill window and he one shot war ...

[tribal badger]

ya shamys playing the 1 shot build usually manage to land a cheese kill

but its easy to counter

[waxen meteor]

yeah their dmg outside the one shot is very bad

but i didn't expect first 3 rounds to be like that

i was like literally not playing

queued for 30 mins, played for 2 mins lol

[exotic dove]

Shuffle is interesting rng one rogue almost 2200 other tanked below 1900

[surreal barn]

What spec u playing

[exotic dove]

Both are assa

[surreal barn]

Can I see your build

[inner tartan]

I had a similar experience lmfao

Just dps rage quit not healer

[exotic dove]

Id have to link you cleave build and Solo build but its similar to what others use

In a game right now

[surreal barn]

Ah

[exotic dove]

Im just going to list it as rng and just take the near 2200 rogue seriously and use the one that tanked as a relaxing whatever Rogue

[surreal barn]

I got three relaxers

[waxen meteor]

lol you need to play other classes

Or at least other spec s

I need to drop pve

[exotic dove]

I mean the one rogue is succeeding greatly I think its I just dont need to take the rogue that isnt seriously

[surreal barn]

One has been sitting at 2100 with a 70% winrate for two weeks just loading up that mmr lol

[waxen meteor]

I feel bad spending so much time on pve lately

[exotic dove]

a good portion of my pvp friends are just not doing pvp anymore and doing m+ instead so you arent alone

[inner tartan]

I feel have way thou the season people swap

[exotic dove]

This meta is pretty trash tbh

[inner tartan]

PvP start pve and pve start piping

[exotic dove]

stam changed kind of ruined it

[inner tartan]

Pvping

[surreal barn]

Certainly did

Healers be feeling immortal in bgs now

[sullen gazelle]

guys, do any one of yall know if verdant dagger is better than 483 nick of time for pvp?

for sub rogue

[inner tartan]

Yes I did one as fw bro I was immortal

[surreal barn]

I bet 😂 mistweavers without damp are insane

Is fistweaving really hard to pick up

[inner tartan]

I have heard it is but sinse I have first started playing max level fw monk outlaw rogue and bear tank were my three class so I rank them all super ez. Bear is brain dead

Keep up Fare stomp and hit stuff

Bingo

My only issue with fw is while u are immortal I feel it take more cd careful managing to keep ur group alive against a super burst comp which like target swapping

Then it would as caster monk

And fuck frost mages

[narrow tangle]

holy shit outlaw is busted

please dont change anything blizz thx

[proud folio]

for sub is dagger BiS off hand weapon?

i see some rogues with a slow off hand, doesnt that mean less poison procs?

and less Shadow Techniques procs too i guess

[jolly sierra]

its for shadow techniques

try using a vers mastery crafted dagger

wyrm crests are good enough for that

[proud folio]

how come a bunch of rogues are using the fist weapon in OH ?

[waxen meteor]

Because significant amount of players don’t know the new shadow tech deep enough so they want more mastery

At the same time we just believers of raz since he mentioned how shadow tech worked after rework

It could be that we are all wrong

[gleaming pawn]

Both sides are clearly wrong, because the right answer is to play Assa and Outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Just assa

Yall stay away from Outlaw. Only like, 5 of us are allowed to play it.

[exotic dove]

Huh I double checked Drustvar stats and Apparantly for Assa Rogues if you do stats by class and then by spec around 2200 where my highest Rogue is at if I read that right is top 4-6% where I am normally at when end of season time comes. I guess I am doing better than I thought https://drustvar.com/leaderboard/solo-shuffle-stats/us

[surreal barn]

Yep

[exotic dove]

Well that just made my day better lol

Screenshot since it doesnt exactly show how I filtered it in the link

This is for NA not EU

Assa Rogue only in shuffle

[jolly sierra]

ye assa amount is miserable

[exotic dove]

I guess so I thought I was dog around or close to 2200 but as said above I guess I am performing well for my spec in shuffle in NA

[jolly sierra]

im resting from SS when i reach 1k9

can reach the duelist in end season

[exotic dove]

@jolly sierra I believe you can hit 2.1k I have faith

[jolly sierra]

i can

but rather prefer my sanity

w dhs running around for now

[exotic dove]

Thats how one of my rogues tanked to 1900 3 double dh lobbies in a row

it sucked

healers were hpal and disc

[jolly sierra]

got double 2h too in a row

2 times

[exotic dove]

yeah it sucks

[jolly sierra]

i even got glads dh dude

ye, def would go slowly

XD

[exotic dove]

Ill get the rogue back to 2100-2200 cr range that tanked and I guess kind of sit for a while

and just do 2s or 3s with friends

on my 2 rogues

3rd one I havent really played in a while

[surreal barn]

Yeah and I think it’s even less than 6% @exotic dove

[exotic dove]

its hard for me to tell reading that

on the graph

[jolly sierra]

i can play w a friend tho

but would be the backup

i rather prefer to go alone

so SS

XD

[surreal barn]

Cause two of my three are top 130 ish

And that’s just 2130

There are a lot more players

[exotic dove]

I see what you are saying

[surreal barn]

I think our short queues say it all tho

I mean I usually only wait 7-8 mins for a shuffle

[exotic dove]

yeah at 2200 mine is only like 15-20 at most

[surreal barn]

Be weary of the instant queue

They always seem to go 6-0 healer

[exotic dove]

yeah I end up being in hte bathroom or something and miss the instas lol

[hidden dome]

Let me get that right, Frost DK has 2 grips, 1 limbs, 1 range kick, 1 range silence, 1 range stun, 1 aoe blind, 1 aoe freeze and 1 aoe stun?!

God I hope they always stay trash Tier with their damage and never ever get buffed

Literally more CC than a sub rogue in SD

[surreal barn]

Their cds have got to be long tho right

[hidden dome]

Some of them are, sure.

But if they actually had kill pressure the games would be painful

Their AoE Stun being 5 seconds is really brutal

But maybe there is a drawback, haven't gotten to DK yet, will be my next char though

[surreal barn]

I haven’t seen a dk in shuffle in forever

Probably higher on the ladder

[hidden dome]

Question, do Hunter still have the Feign Death dispell?

[waxen meteor]

think it has been a pvp talent

[hidden dome]

mhh I will look

[tribal badger]

they removed the part where it dispels stuff

it just reduces damage now

[hidden dome]

Ah ok, thanks

[jolly sierra]

0-6 as assa

dh/warr/monk

healers expected me to survive a lot

xd

told the healer wtf does he expect if im getting permatrained trying to survive

he asked me to cc in the train xd

[exotic dove]

Healers just dont know how to play with assa rogues if they say that lol

[jolly sierra]

yeah

i told him to dont talk shit if he has no idea how my spec does work

and then moved the tab to kept him talking alone

lets try again

that dropeed me 70 CR

bruh

[waxen meteor]

Believe me, go healer in such lobby

With aoe build

We turn from suck ass spec to best spec in melee blend

[jolly sierra]

i got fucked again

4-2, a warr went 6-0

2-4

i say

today isnt rog day dude

[waxen meteor]

Doesn’t matter, they can train you in melee blend

[jolly sierra]

im going ww

[waxen meteor]

But as long as we go healer we deal huge dmg

[jolly sierra]

let see

got the same ragequitter healer

this time he left after losing a lot

i knew he was crappy

this is after the last lose he had

[stoic spruce]

Sleeping like a baby after another day of gatekeeping outlaw :3

[exotic dove]

Anyone else having issues loading into games. Load bar stays at half for 2 min then loads you in major city and you get deserter and lose 150 rating

[waxen meteor]

Happened rarely

Think it happened like once a season ish for me

[exotic dove]

Happened to me twice in a row first time nothing happened second time I load in to valdrakken but I could click the q icon and toggle a scoreboard but the board would be blank and then after a while it gave me deserter and a massive rating loss

it was on an alt but still

lame

[minor cape]

ah yes i love spanish "griddy is sus, my bros, equip it"

[languid ravine]

can someone explain how the other DH did half my damage but has 50% more "honourable" kills?? I m not great at math but it doesnt quite check out

[minor cape]

sure

he had more last hits

totally possible

[languid ravine]

man I explicitly said honourable kills so noone will confuse it with killing blows ._.

[minor cape]

or maybe just dueled dudes the whole game

yeah right sry

[languid ravine]

ôh well I shouldnt complain

because he still did twice the damage of each of our two marksman hunters

what a performance

[minor cape]

i mean just running around dealing aoe dam on dh without getting much honorable kills is totally possible

[pine badge]

pretty sure honorable kills are just battles you're involved in

[minor cape]

yes

so while most of the time dealing aoe damage on dh will get you many kills

if your team is trash it might also not

xd

[clever elk]

for fury war in 2s, would u go conq weapons or tier set first?

[wintry dew]

Weapons should have prio, at least main weapon in most scenarios. Since we talking about fury w, I'm not pretty sure if they prio offhand before tier

That would be better answered in warrior's discord

[jolly sierra]

wep always wep (main one)

[languid ravine]

we ve reached a point where the rounds last 20 seconds at least in 1900 cr bracket

time to log off the rogue game forever

there are attack animations in Elden Ring lasting longer

I ve dodged Margit three times back in January and he hit me yesterday with the same attack

[ornate mauve]

wait when did enhance damage become 50% lightning bolt

popped evasion & got blown up lol

[vale token]

WOTLK Classic question here, why does top pvp rogues gemming Resilence instead of ARP? That's only for arenas or general pvp too (arena/bg/wpvp/duels)

[halcyon timber]

They have been able to do that the whole expansion honestly.

[halcyon timber]

Its been 10,000 years but armor penetration tapered off in later seasons and I don’t remember anyone really stacking resilience hard. People wore a lot of pve items and hit like “a good amount of resilience “. I think 600-650 back then was “fair” enough to not randomly die to bladestorm and such. And 800s was high as heck where you thought you would die. Don’t remember as that was a very long time ago.

[vale token]

well im just looking at top pvp rogues on wotlk classic and they stack resilience so I just wonder if it's better than ARP since everyone running around in almost BIS pve gear and insane trinkets

[halcyon timber]

Dunno but that sounds unfun as heck. Try both if you can afford it and arrive at your own conclusion

[tribal badger]

Didn't sub have find weakness on wotlk also

Which was an insane amount of armor pen

I imagine that would reduce the effectiveness of stacking more armor pen

[vale token]

nop its Cata+

[halcyon timber]

Cataclysm was 70% i think (tuned down) it was 100% but yeah then wod it was 50% and sanguinary vein was 30% to even it out.

Wrath was serrated blades and expose armor if i remember but its been a long time

[tribal badger]

Oh yea it was just flat damage in wotlk

Not an armor pen

[halcyon timber]

Would be sick if hero talents kinda brought back some inspiration from old days too

[sharp sierra]

pig

[teal path]

pvp, hello guys i am complete begginer wow player(been playing for 2 months) , i started with sub rogue. In a conversation here that i had yesterday someone told me to play with echo + gore ( i ll post a screenshot of my talents below)

(i m trying to figure out my rotation) my question is , can i follow this page to figure it out , or should i follow some other resources?
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/subtlety/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

(the person from yesterday gave me some tips to figure it out by myself but i am kind of worried about bad habits i may develop by trying things by myself

talents are :

[surreal barn]

@spring bough @halcyon timber @jolly sierra

[jolly sierra]

DH has 2 buttons

[boreal shale]

that page is pve only, pvp you play way differently

[teal path]

oh hello today again ^_^

any resources you have in mind? i ve tried watching pikaboo but most of the time he is using different build because its from before the nerfs , also some guides i found in wowhead that were for pvp have gloomblade in and flaggelation

so i cant use those i guess

[boreal shale]

wowhead and icyvein guides for pvp are fried as fuck

watch someone like nahj

pikaboo has his own unique playstyle it's not really good to learn as a beginner

[jolly sierra]

i hate palumor

but watch palumor

in youtube

[teal path]

thx for the suggestions ❤️

[boreal shale]

don't watch the one shot macro bullshit tho

he pumps out way too much trash content for a player of that caliber

actually maybe do watch those videos to get an idea of what a burst looks like

but don't macro them together

and it's almost never gonna be cut and dry like that

[ornate mauve]

y does no outlaw run dagger in the dark, i swear it's so good when u dont need dismantle/veil

wait

i just fucking realized it doesnt trigger off subterfuge or dance

ok nvm im an idiot

[jolly sierra]

they buffed fyralath drop rate

rejoice for ur alts guys

[boreal shale]

i only have rogue alts

[jolly sierra]

welp

still swaggy the alt

[surreal barn]

Damn. New DH spec in war within looks insane

Spec is called Devouring Asshole

5 second stun and 80% health on hit

[stoic spruce]

The gatekeeping continues

[jolly sierra]

nerf rogue

[narrow tangle]

average kazzak player

[jolly sierra]

ye, agree

[hidden dome]

Man I wish Blizz would finally fix the Disc priest combat bug

But no hurry, it has only been Months

[hexed pollen]

wut bug? them be too OP

[hidden dome]

Their shield damage reflect keeps you in combat

across the map

which makes drinking against them nearly impossible

Even if you don't deal any damage yourself

[halcyon timber]

Freakin joe pesci on the screen was funny . Also, efffffffff in chat man .

[halcyon timber]

Freakin love bat metal. Mermaider is great from dethklok

[stoic spruce]

ikr? its so good!

[halcyon timber]

Awaken awaken from your grave !!

[stoic spruce]

TAKE THE LAND THAT MUST BE TAKEN

[halcyon timber]

When they were trying to rez joker

[stoic spruce]

Goes hard

[halcyon timber]

On my playlist often

Love me some After The Burial too, need to go to a gig soon.

[sharp sierra]

pig

[sharp sierra]

i didnt click it

:'<

[stoic spruce]

:(

I hate how it turns into a download

Lemme try something else

[hidden dome]

The last 8 games in 2s had just DHs and Arms Warriors

Man I love a balanced season...

[stoic spruce]

wtf is that?

[hidden dome]

Compared to this season

every season before this

In the last 5 years at least

[jolly sierra]

bruh

can we agree guys according to rogue lego quest wrathion is a douche by killing almost all black dragons worldwide?

[jolly sierra]

try not uploading it as a reply and wait for the preview

are u sure is in MP4 format or is just the name typed as .MP4?

[stoic spruce]

I gave up lol

[radiant glen]

u did not play shadowlands

?

[stoic spruce]

everyone was broken in SL

[radiant glen]

sls1 war/hpala was in 80% of high cr 2s matches

and then in late seasons it was hpriest sv hunt and hpriest outlaw

arguably much stronger in their peaks than current DH

[stoic spruce]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

[hidden dome]

I played every season in SL

[stoic spruce]

YOU DID NOT JUST SAY THAT

[jolly sierra]

u did it

[hidden dome]

at least then we got balace patches

And the seasons got better towards the end

[stoic spruce]

Theres the log out button

[jolly sierra]

huh

[hidden dome]

Now every patch makes the current season worse

somehow

[radiant glen]

im sure every assa rogue loved craven not receiving nerfs from launch till the very last patch

was the dryest meta ive ever played

[hidden dome]

DH and Restro Druid are the top played specs in all brackets above 2.2 right now

In 2s, 3s and Solo

Same meta in all modes

Doesn't get much dryer than that

[narrow tangle]

is it okay to do bte on stealth/subterfuge and dispatch on stance 0 macro

do i lose anything

on outlaw*

[waxen meteor]

It's partially due to the cc change

with the cc change, you either 100-0 or you don't kill anyone

so it becomes a mana game, bigger dmg just wins by mana in the end, and DH becomes super good from this

also, the nerf of sub rogue just makes DH a lot safer

just play like pve

[narrow tangle]

its shit nvm

[jolly sierra]

alright fair enough

im retiring from rated

fucking internet messes EVERYTHING

this happens when u have bootleg internet which does lag spikes

im unsuscribing till DHs gets nerfed and rebuy the decent internet again

im getting back the best internet but with worst feedback again and going to the fucking office to complain if they does that BS again

i had to vanish and alt + f4 to relog with still lag spikes

yeah, its over, gotta rebuy the good internet, but would raid the office if they doesnt contact w me again like this time

[exotic dove]

Dont blame you I am pretty much waiting for inflation and/or end of season if they dont nerf DH

or make the game somewhat better

Got one rogue at almost 2200 in 2s and the other almost 2200 in shuffle Ill hit the 2.4 in one of those and call it good when inflation/end of season hits

Maybe hit it in 3s too

[surreal barn]

Well, it’s Friday. Isn’t tuning announced today

[stoic spruce]

Yes

For SoD

[jolly sierra]

ah yeah i was tilted af in the night

i will still wait and buy the internet, every match had lost rounds for lag

im just farming gold fast tho

[boreal shale]

Hi guys

I’m a 2k mmr night elf subtlety rogue on the Tichondrius server. I only play rogue characters, specially subtlety rogue .Every time I go to a bar, party, or any social event in general, I try my best to avoid telling people what I do. Every time I tell women I’m subt main they start hitting on me. Last week I went to a friend’s birthday party. Told his sister I was a nelf subt main. She kept asking me to “eviscerate her” and “backstab her” in a flirtatious manner. This is a big reoccurring problem. It’s gotten so bad that I tell women “i only play female dh elf" and that " i trinket chains of ice" so they will stop hitting on me all the time.

Any advice on how to stop attracting so many women as nelf subt main?

[jolly sierra]

disarm their mage friends

[wintry dew]

Whatever the guy above me said

[surreal barn]

say you only pve

[languid ravine]

double hpal lobbies at 2.1 are just a race to see which paladin dies first

really fucking short races too

[tribal badger]

so gr8 when u get double/triple wizard lobbies into that and it feels like an uphill battle cause the paladin has 2 bops to stop you but casters dont care

ok so i just need to get thru bop, bop, bubble, while the wizards just need to get bubble

[languid ravine]

my Ret paladin: "ignore mage"
dies in opener

[jolly sierra]

rets can use spellwarden tho

[tribal badger]

well we were talkin about double hpal lobbies tho

[jolly sierra]

if they dont in a wizard lobby then is skill issue

ah

gotcha

then they are fucking wasting those bops

[languid ravine]

Ret paladin in my lobby just started casting searing glare while the enemy DK is at 10% HP

I am not joking

I repeat not a joke or imagination

[tribal badger]

making those heals miss

obviously

big brain stuff

[languid ravine]

you know what it WAS a gigachad move it made me cackle irl like a hyena and lift my spirit

[radiant glen]

it does stop death strike if he happened to be hovering 10% for a while

[jolly sierra]

bruh

what would you do

A) cast hammer of wrath
B) cast searing glare
C) cast repeantance

[languid ravine]

just remembered Paladins haev a freaking EXECUTE skill

[tribal badger]

tbf their execute is pretty weak compared to actual executes

and also they have access to it for like half their rotation from procs/wings

its mostly more resource gen/another ranged hit

[jolly sierra]

XD

its ranged, always crit and hits decently

for just a button its fine

[tribal badger]

sure but its tuned around always critting so it doesnt hit particuarly hard on its own

its like another judgement charge basically

i never get into execute range and think "ohno i might evaporate" like vs a monk/warrior/hunter etc

hammer doesnt hit hard enuf

[jolly sierra]

for me it hits like 90-100k usually

[hidden dome]

Night elf racial alone makes me wish that they disabled all racials in PvP

[surreal barn]

lol I took a conference call I wasn’t supposed to have to talk in while doing viewer 2s with venruki

[hidden dome]

Fucking horrible design to give druids and rogues an extra vanish

[surreal barn]

Beefed the call and first two 2s matches

[surreal barn]

I could use that 2nd vanish right about now

[hidden dome]

Third Vanish for Sub Rogues

But it is most annoying on heals

One of my heals was nightelf and I never went oom. Not a single game, as you can always just drink in 2s with nelf racial

[willow valley]

3 vanish?

nah bro thats a lot

💀

[feral sleet]

Hey im newish to wow and brand new to rogue, if I get all the most common stuff on murlok will that be the correct stuff? Because videos ive watched say stuff about the 2 set being better than 4 set and i dont even know what that means so just overall confused with what to do. Sub rogue and plan on mostly doing pvp. Sorry if this isnt the spot to ask this also sorry for the long post

[hidden dome]

Just go to check pvp, look at the top ranking players for your spec and bracket

and copy what they do

[boreal shale]

You only run 2set for ass, subt and outlaw play 4set

[willow valley]

basically do what L2 says, the bis set haves some conquest pieces and some crafted gear too

so u can see it clearly on the profile of someone with high rating

and dont be sorry bro

ur in the right channel and it doesnt matter if u write the bible

ask whatever u want

(pls dont write the bible literally)

[feral sleet]

Ok ty all, what is the difference between 2 and 4 set like i get the stats are different but what does that mean what is the four set and what is the two set like i don’t understand

[willow valley]

basically if u have x amount of pieces from the set

u get extra buffs

[boreal shale]

Wow you're really new huh

[feral sleet]

Lol started playin at like Christmas

[willow valley]

i dont know how to explain how u can get the set

[boreal shale]

It's just like set bonus is any other game

[willow valley]

but u can ask or watch a vid on YT

[boreal shale]

You wear 2 pieces of the set you get an extra buff, you wear 4 you get 2 extra buffs

[willow valley]

yeah

i dont remember what those buffs do

[feral sleet]

Ok ik where to get all the pvp gear rogue isnt my first character but it will be the first i try to get like all the right stuff

[willow valley]

i think u get extra damage on ur eviscerate

[willow valley]

good

then watch carefully what bis gear u want to get

[boreal shale]

Just spam skirms til you have full honor then spam rated

[willow valley]

cuz it sucks when u get an entire set and then u realize u need another one

[boreal shale]

You can get bloody token gear too, subt runs bloody token cloak, bracer and off hand

[feral sleet]

I feel like this game updates so much that a lot of yt content is outdated, so i look at murlok.io or whatever but dont know how to work it, like just choose all the most used stuff? If theres a better way to stay up to date im open for sure

[willow valley]

nah

usually theres multiple ways to play 1 class

it mostly depends on the talent build

u can use one or another talent and that can change ur playstyle

[boreal shale]

Murlok is a guideline not a guide

[willow valley]

i dont use murlok

so idk how that works

[boreal shale]

Even other people's gearsets won't necessarily work for you

[willow valley]

ye

[boreal shale]

Just look at them and make your own set

[willow valley]

u need to find what works for u

and specially what u like to play the most

[boreal shale]

Subt wants as much mastery and vers as possible, 0 haste 0 crit

So just find a way to make a full vers mastery set

[hidden dome]

In the last 3 days, 80+% of all DPS I've seen in 2s were Arms and DHs

[willow valley]

have fun, ignore the sweaty tryhards blaming u for not knowing how rogue works

u dont need to tryhard every time u play

[boreal shale]

3 days?

That's cute

[willow valley]

ye

[feral sleet]

Lolol ok i will for sure, im just makin sure im doin this stuff right cuz the game as a whole is pretty overwhelming

[jolly sierra]

idk what is worse if lag spikes or dhs w destros

[willow valley]

ye hahahah

[willow valley]

u also need advice on how to play sub?

[boreal shale]

You'll soon have more conquest than you can spend, only thing you really need to be careful about is crafted gear

Conquest and bloody token gear is free to experiment

[hidden dome]

I am playing my 9th and 10th char to 1.8 right now

It wasn't that bad the months before

There were always a lot of Arms and DHs

[boreal shale]

I've been seeing dh war for weeks

[hidden dome]

but not 80-90% of the games

[boreal shale]

Either that or dh monk

[hidden dome]

I am happy to face monk at this point

[boreal shale]

Dh monk is just as disgusting

But at least as a subt you can gut the ww

[jolly sierra]

for me DHs were in like 9/10 matches

[feral sleet]

I mean yea that would be sick, i should be lvl 70 tonight and ill try to get all my talents and stuff sorted because I legit was just picking whatever until i got to 70 and could base it off something

[jolly sierra]

sometimes were double DH + a WW or a warr

or DH + WW + ret ot warr

but DH was staple

in every lobby

[boreal shale]

At least it's not dh + rdruid every game like the start of the season

[willow valley]

great, well, about the talents its pretty much the same for everyone, but theres some talents that depends on how do u want to play

[jolly sierra]

i would really prefer to have rdrood in every match

[willow valley]

u can ask when u have ur build set

or test urself all the talents

[jolly sierra]

droods are fresh meat for assas

better that than rshams, are like trolls in SS

[feral sleet]

Ok cool ty so much, is it ok if i add you so i don’t forget your name on here? I wont spam you or anything

[boreal shale]

Thats what a spammer would say

[willow valley]

yeah its ok

and dm me if u have any question

[feral sleet]

😂😂😂😂 ik dammit i just had to say it

[hidden dome]

To be honest monk would be fine if they removed the parry from Fist of Fury

But then braindead monks would struggle to reach 1.8 against meele classes

[boreal shale]

Can i see the front and back of your credit card? Promise i wont buy anything with it

[surreal barn]

Feral meat taste good to everyone

[feral sleet]

Ok ty very much im gonna get it all cleaned up and i will message you

[willow valley]

cool, gl brother

[feral sleet]

Bro im dying lolol

[boreal shale]

You can cheapshot it or just step the monk

[jolly sierra]

yeah specially when they complain

[boreal shale]

It's more of a nuisance for rogue tbh

[hidden dome]

As I said, I am playing my 9th and 10th alt this season. Rogue was my first 1.8 🙂

[boreal shale]

Same energy

[willow valley]

10 char?

ur insane

i dont even have 3 char at lvl 70 😭

[jolly sierra]

tell him to give DHs a mass dispell too lol

[hidden dome]

Pushing to 1.8 is really fast in 2s right now

Usually I only get 3 or 4 1.8s a season

[boreal shale]

Yeah you can easily get 1.8 in 1 session if you have a duo

[jolly sierra]

ill ask a homie for my lock tho

[hidden dome]

Yep, it is just me and my arena buddy pushing every few nights

[jolly sierra]

im sure he will say yes to get 1k8, rlly love that armor

[hidden dome]

The lock armor is great

and 1.8 is not too bad with lock right now

with all 3 specs

[gilded gulch]

2s has always been an imba bracket

[jolly sierra]

will try in demo

[hidden dome]

Ye, 2s isn't balanced at all

[jolly sierra]

so i scratch my balls

while im playing

[gilded gulch]

i never minded dh mirrors honestly

because 95% of dhs you run into dont know how to pve people

XD

[hidden dome]

But balance doesn't really matter at 1.8. Bad balance is annoying and makes the grind take longer, but it doesn't prevent you from getting 1.8 in 2s

[gilded gulch]

i'd play games where im literally doing 2-3x the other one's damage

now its even easier since df havoc actually has alot more cc+burst

[hidden dome]

I am not sure how those DHs manage to deal this little damage sometimes

it is not like they can really mess up their rotation

[gilded gulch]

most of the time it literally comes down to

not mashing enough

[boreal shale]

Of course dh players struggle to press 3 buttons

Why else would they play dh?

[hidden dome]

Truth

[gilded gulch]

or the games they go me when im hitting their healer

and just almost double kill in opener

[boreal shale]

All the dh in 2s just sit on the healer and pve

Even at 2.2 they pretty much just do that

[gilded gulch]

nothing comes close to s2 sl though

i spun a dh 90-0 through his blur and dark

[boreal shale]

And it's always the 1.8 dhs that emote at the end of games too

Almost like they actually think they're good by any metric

[gilded gulch]

once in a blue moon you actually get the good dhs

not really though

queued into genji 2-3x in SL

[boreal shale]

I have not seen a single good dh this season

Best i've had is backflipping my cheapshot twice in a game

[gilded gulch]

its usually only the long playing ones that have several r1s at least

most of them quit at this point

however

inflated 2s hero dhs always exist any season dh is good

[boreal shale]

It's way easier to fight a dh in 2s than dh war

[gilded gulch]

i genuinely hate playing with any rdruid i dont know honestly

cloning my kill target at worst time?

sitting mid in caster form for no reason?

[sharp sierra]

question for outlaw should i be playing this thing like arms warrior cant break out of the sub mentality lol

[boreal shale]

Kinda

You zug a lot more

But you still have most of the ccs of subt

Just don't cheapshot 1 target multiple times in dance

[sharp sierra]

for sure

[boreal shale]

You don't really need to hold kidney for goes either

Just send it on cd

But other than that it's pure zug

[sharp sierra]

yea finding that omega tanky

[boreal shale]

the only thing i like more about outlaw than subt is it's so free to play hyper aggro

you pretty much never die anyway

[languid ravine]

Resto shaman seems real fun when your healing tide dies in one Rising Sun Kick xd

[hidden dome]

1.8 #9 done 🙂

[jolly sierra]

gratz u are a speedrunner

[hidden dome]

was my first time playing druid heal in arena

But Druid is broken right now

[stoic spruce]

Told you

[surreal barn]

🔮

It was foretold

[tribal badger]

xdxdxdxdxd

[hidden dome]

GPT4 as a PVP Balance Bot when?

[sharp sierra]

/cry

[boreal shale]

i'd rather dice roll that than have dh as op as it is

can only go up from here

[jolly sierra]

what the heck

[hidden dome]

I wish the "second charge"-Talent would not work in arena

Honestly arms in 2s are pure cancer

And they don't even have an excuse, the set looks horrible

[surreal barn]

A quickie

[hidden dome]

Nice

that really was a quickie

[frosty silo]

Hello. I am new rogue and want to start in PvP. Could someone explain the pros and cons of the several specs? What I understand is that Outlaw is like a brawler and sub like a burst killer from the shadow. Is that right? I don’t want to focus on the wrong spec because it’s hard for me to get Rotas and this stuff in my head 😦 so I want to focus on the right class which fits to me.

[hidden dome]

Sub Is a cheese killer. meaning he kills in CC-chains or in Shadow Duel or smoke

Outlaw is a brawler

Assass kills with burst

[frosty silo]

Ahhh okay. Assa was missing. What means cheese killer?

Cheese 🙂

I don’t understand that word in the context

Is it not possible to cut the CC chain with trinkets and stuff like bubble?

[hidden dome]

To be clear, I'm only speaking to 2s and 3s where you can talk in ts or discord or vent, as I don't touch solo shuffle

But Sub plays for set up kills

[frosty silo]

Which spec is the easiest to learn and which the hardest?

[hidden dome]

easiest rotation is Sub by far, but Sub actually takes a lot of skill to master

Outlaw has the hardest rotation but is the easiest once you know the rotation

[frosty silo]

Sounds weird. Easiest rotation and hardest to master 🙂

[hidden dome]

Assass is a good inbetween

Yes, because Sub is all about trading cooldowns

You need to know the cooldowns of every spec to play Sub well

[frosty silo]

Ah okay. I mostly play alone.

[hidden dome]

Then just learn outlaw

It is hard at the start

but once you managed it is smooth sailing

[frosty silo]

Yeah I just started. What I have learned is to use the crackshot windows with BTE

Than again after vanishing and again with dance

[hidden dome]

There is a weakaura for that in the outlaw channel

best to use that

[frosty silo]

Ah okay. Thanks!

Helps a lot

[hidden dome]

The most important part about Outlaw is knowing when to stay in and push damage and when to go out.

You get a feeling for that by playing

You want to stay on the enemy and brawl as much as possible

but during certain cooldowns you need to Shadowstep/grappling hook away

I would recommend Nameplate Cooldowns as an addon to see when enemies pop major cooldowns

[frosty silo]

Okay thank you very much. Which talent spec would you recommend

That KIR or the HO?

[hidden dome]

I play HO with outlaw

KIR in arena is annoying

And very luck depended.

[jolly sierra]

what the

[frosty silo]

Thx!

So I will practice, practice, practice

[halcyon timber]

What the cinammon toast fk. We are a support class now ,move over augmentors.

[surreal barn]

All that dam was mine actually 😆

[halcyon timber]

Ohh thought it was DH blender button action

[stoic spruce]

Me everytime I think about WoW

[narrow tangle]

is %34 crit ok for outlaw?

[narrow tangle]

https://murlok.io/rogue/outlaw/solo

[narrow tangle]

there is not much talent flexibility on outlaw so

[north rain]

It’s not too bad, roll before you AR then ar and roll KIR to get guaranteed buffs from tier set and loaded dice

KIR is fine anytime you can make use of deft maneuvers aka against pet team

[exotic dove]

I had a weird solo shuffle experience so far on my Rogue I am qing just to q with 3 games 6-0 then 0-6 then a 6-0

[frosty silo]

Good morning. I have just another question. I was in enemy land yesterday and was looking for some fights in open world. My PVE GS is currently 450 (really fresh 70) I had mostly no chance :/.

I have a PvP honor set, but this doesn’t work in open world right right? Or it works with the PVE stats and only in PvP areas in the open world. Would you agree? Otherwise I could use it for better GS. What I am really annoyed about is, that I have to go in M+ for gear but I don’t want to 🙂

[wintry dew]

Pvp status activates once you enter pvp combat or when you're in pvp areas (like in most wpvp quest areas)

So your pvp gear will bump up the ilvl only when you're fighting another player

[frosty silo]

Wow. That’s a game changing info for me

Thx

[surreal barn]

Was this around 2k bc same happened to me last night - insta queues all of them

[exotic dove]

Yeah I eventually tanked further but for I ended up doing anotehr 0-6 than 6-0 before the tank

[surreal barn]

SUS

[exotic dove]

I cant seem to get that one Rogue to near 2200 like the other Rogue as Assa

Rogue #2 is stuck in an mmr Trap I guess not sure

Rogue #3 chilling above 2100

as assa

Rogue #1 is the highest at 2215 mmr and 2182 cr

[surreal barn]

Beating me by 50 CR

[exotic dove]

Rogue #1 I played a few days ago and havent touched it since been trying to get Rogue #2 out of 1900 hell mmr lol

I am assuming its just bad luck I guess not playing an different

[pale storm]

SS just so lobby dependent

[tiny maple]

Hey. Want to try sub in rmp again after not playing rogue since shadowlands. How/when should I use the new stuff Im not used to? Pretty much these: thistle tea, gouge, shadow technique and thieves bargain? Mainly expecting to play duelist level or just below

[exotic dove]

This makes sense honestly. Only explanation why I have a rogue at 2152 a Rogue over 2200 mmr and then a Rogue hardstuck 1900

I look at this way with positivity though I can use the hardstuck rogue to keep quing and have fun and I am sure he will get up with the other 2 eventually

I was advised to sit my highest rated one

[tawny kestrel]

why would you sit? what’s the benefit to that

[exotic dove]

wait for inflation was what was told

[surreal barn]

Inflation is really only a point a day iirc