pvp

[tawny kestrel]

why

[clever elk]

so i should swap this one?

[boreal shale]

yeah i'd run crafted belt with vers mastery

and engineering helmet + bracer if possible, otherwise recraft to vers mastery

[tawny kestrel]

why

[clever elk]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/blackrock/Enxia

just take a look

[sturdy canopy]

35 to 40% critt is fine tbf

[boreal shale]

with a bunch of crit buffs you get from talents + spells 30-35% is enough

more than that is overkill

[tawny kestrel]

why is it overkill

[clever elk]

I got lvled Enchanting and Alchemy, i wont go eng helmet

[tawny kestrel]

dont need engi to use engi head

but ye

ur gear looks good

dont worry

[boreal shale]

just sim it

[clever elk]

Maybe swap weapon to mastery and im fine?

[sturdy canopy]

-gandi probably

[tawny kestrel]

dont need mastery

[boreal shale]

[tawny kestrel]

u cant just sim for pvp

[boreal shale]

too much of 1 stat is bad cz DR

[tawny kestrel]

hes not at crit cap

and vers is definitely worth dring as outlaw

[boreal shale]

why not?

[tawny kestrel]

vers is just always gonna be better

crit too

if u can guarantee bte crits its nice

if u are bad at pressing abilities then sure mastery will be more damage cus u just have to auto attack

[boreal shale]

more crit isn't always gonna be better, mastery is still damage towards bte and dispatch. 1% mastery = 1% vers in terms of damage

[clever elk]

or rather buffed up this one

[tawny kestrel]

in what universe is mastery damage towards bte and dispatch

1% mastery is definitely not = 1% vers

[sturdy canopy]

Mastery and crit are pretty close to eachother
Should be rocking 30-40% of each more in the direction of crit
Look at the ladders,

Tdlr your gear is probably fine

But you Defo don't need haste

[clever elk]

that haste is only RTB+ stealthwindow

i have 0

[tawny kestrel]

haste is dog shit as outlaw

completely worthless

[boreal shale]

just copy someone's gear

[sturdy canopy]

It's pretty bad for most rouge specs rn tbh

[boreal shale]

if you have way more of a stat than most of rank 1s, you probably have too much and vice versa

[tawny kestrel]

yeah

most rank 1s dont know what gear to use either

and copy / ask people who do know

[boreal shale]

worst case scenario that same gearset is good enough to win at rank 1

[spring bough]

i wish i saw more outlaw rocking 40% or so crit instead of 30 with mastery. i think theyd like it better lol

[boreal shale]

best case scenario you got BIS gear

[clever elk]

Dont get me wrong i enjoy my 41% without BTE

[sturdy canopy]

Depends on the rank one, some do quiet abit of theorycrafting tbf, others just play whatever works for them

[clever elk]

but 40% is cap no?

[tawny kestrel]

who does theorycrafting

[clever elk]

I could also swap Signet to Mastery Vers

[tribal badger]

in pve

outlaws damage profile is very similar to pvp

heavy focus on crackshot raw damage

in pve

outlaw goes to third vers DR

xd

50% vers

i think if ur dumping vers after 30% as current law ur just losing DR for no reason

it does more damage then mastery (imo) but at minimum it does the same amount

even past second DR

[jolly sierra]

so, how do i equip a dragon isle googles without eng? im alchemist and herbalist

just have the bracers

[north rain]

You can’t

[sick wasp]

engihead requires engi

wrist dont

neither ol' smoky

[jolly sierra]

fuck

[surreal barn]

You can be lvl 1 tho and still use

[gleaming pawn]

ooo boy, watching new people argue with Raz not knowing who he is was quite fun

[worthy crag]

ppl can argue with whoever, no one's status makes em immune to objections

trill and nahj both do alot of theorycrafting

[gleaming pawn]

except that Raz is one of those rank 1's they were arguing that Raz should just follow blindly

[willow valley]

how do i play assa for singletarget?

[jolly sierra]

cc healer/dps
go every 30s for kill target

i recall 1st time met raz asked wtf was him and other guy told me was a r1 lol

ye he is good af w facts but very catty for a dog pfp

[willow valley]

and how

what should i do

to deal a great amount of damage

[jolly sierra]

i need to go home to explain im in the street

[languid ravine]

today I cba cursing so I wrote "shit" instead but WoW still censors it

like does it get any more harmless

next they are gonna censor "piss"

"poop" is next on the block

soon you cant even say "crap"

[willow valley]

ok dont worry bro

[jolly sierra]

dots and snd up> kidney (or shiv at 4 CP then kidney) > shiv if is not applied yet> shadow dance + kingsbane

or deathmark instead kingsbane

then u use CP into envenom

[willow valley]

whats snd

and i already have a macro that basically is dance + kingsbane

i created it cuz someone mentioned it a few days ago

[jolly sierra]

slice and dice

are you using the agi in-use trinket?

[willow valley]

and, basically u first apply all dots, then slice, then dance + whatever and envenom spam?

[jolly sierra]

dance + kingsbane

never use them separated

[willow valley]

yeah yeah

i have the macro already

ok

its not that complicated then

[jolly sierra]

add that trinket too

to buff the kingsbane

[willow valley]

oh right

the trinket

almost forgot

ill do it later, now i got off the game

[jolly sierra]

k

[willow valley]

thx my great panda friend

ur always helping everyone bro, appreciate it

[jolly sierra]

eksdee

u welcome

[willow valley]

[hexed pollen]

yall take tea as assa? when should i use, in kingsbane window or energy starved?

this look right?

[jolly sierra]

energy starved

the build is fine

[willow valley]

same as mine

[jolly sierra]

but no gouge?

[willow valley]

all good

[hexed pollen]

i like the aoe interrupt for bgs

[jolly sierra]

ah u go for bgs gotcha

[hexed pollen]

pretty solid build

the tea helps a bunch when energy starved in group fights

[mortal jay]

i dont understand how you go energy starved with vicious venoms

sorry... i meant venomous wounds.. lol

regain 7 energy with each bleed tick and so forth

i dont even run vicious venoms.. not sure why i said that. lol

[hexed pollen]

after like 40 secs it starts to get hard to multi dot, dots fall off initially and im fighting for my life then fan of knoves CT but no dots up so take a minute

for the long 3-5 min group fights

single target no prob, or 2-3 targets

lots of feints and vials

[mortal jay]

i dunno.. at no point in a team fight or a 3 v 3 do i not have garrote running on 3 targets

i also run indescriminate carnage

[hexed pollen]

no one heals a rogue in random bgs so after a vanish spread of garrottes it dies off

[mortal jay]

oh.. ok..neat!

[hexed pollen]

i mean you are probably way better than me i get that, but i get energy starved in team fights that last longer than a minute and tea has rounded that out to let me get those garrotes and ruptures back out. sorry im not that good but i pve mostly as a mythic raider

[mortal jay]

LOL? tf?

i am literally the worst assassination rogue on tich.. tf

at no point in time did I claim to be good. lol

i never said not to use tea. tea is invaluable

[hexed pollen]

sorry your comment eariler seems toxic so i did the same like a true rogue XD

[mortal jay]

lol no need to apologize mate

we are on the internet.. there is no body language, facial cues, inflection to tell someone's intent

[hexed pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/slang-throw-back-snoop-dogg-smile-happy-gif-17693081

[mortal jay]

i assure you, there is no amount of toxicity you could show me that i would acknowledge.

i learned a long time ago.. look at anyone you interact with on the internet as less than human

a poorly written ai

and you can never get mad

[hexed pollen]

was not mad at you but mad at myself for being so bad lmao

and i just took a hit and feeling good now, this rbg going to go way better

[mortal jay]

ass assination is nearly unplayable right now.. at least in arena.. i've accepted it

i'm currently on my way down.. going to see if I can back down to 1000 from 1900

[hexed pollen]

arena too hard, got to do rbgs as an assa or i get stunned locked kilt too quick in arena

other team like focus the rogue when he popps up

[surreal barn]

Assa has no survivability issues

You just gotta make sure to kill the other guys first

[waxen meteor]

[jolly sierra]

are reds arguing

xddd

[lime oar]

anyone know how someone would trinket multiple times before 2min CD?

in wpvp

[tribal badger]

healer trinket is a 1.5m cd

[lime oar]

no its a rogue

[tribal badger]

wpvp? maybe an item that breaks cc?

isnt there a consumable potion

that u can buy for honor

[lime oar]

i have a clip of him using trink then using it again 1:04 min later

and for context he used it on kidney both times

[tribal badger]

well human trinket puts trinket on a 1.5m cd

but thats still longer then 1m

[lime oar]

yeh and it was an orc

i have the clip

[radiant glen]

can u send the clip

[lime oar]

first trinket at 0:10, uses it again at 1:24

this dude is known for exploiting, also sus that i was out here doing the legion dalaran mail room questline and he just happened to be here. dude stalks me

[worthy crag]

there used to be a potion that removes CCs but im not sure if thats usable by max levels

nvm, both times are the medallion effect

[radiant glen]

looks like trinket swap tech

uses 1

drops combat

swaps to other

[lime oar]

yeah i though that but i bought conquest trink, honor trink, even trink from old xpac, they all share 2 min CD and u cant equip 2

[radiant glen]

adapt doesn't share the cd and u don't open with sap or anything so its possible but it looks a little slow

[lime oar]

adapt shows up underneath if he used it

next to my DR's

[radiant glen]

not sure then, sorry

wait

I think I figured it out

after you blind him in the first opener, he doesn't actually stealth, ur addon doesn't show the stealth alert either

he phases out

its also not just his trinket

its everything

he's accepting a skirm or a wargame queue and abandoning

to reset all cds

[surreal barn]

lol

What trash 😂

One of us

[radiant glen]

once he loads back in ur addon shows stealth detect and then yea

[surreal barn]

So he has queue then pretends to hearth looking like juicy bait

[radiant glen]

u could set up wargames with alts to q whenever u needed even

[surreal barn]

There’s a way to get vanish back ez as well without anything

You just swap to sub and back

[radiant glen]

@lime oar

[lime oar]

what a scumbag hahahaha

thats actually wild lmao. knew u guys would come through

[radiant glen]

sad I didn't get it quicker, haven't seen someone do this since bfa lmfao

[lime oar]

i even looked at the spy addon when his name popped up lol, i just didnt pick up on it. lmao. cant even be mad that shits funny

[worthy crag]

first time queueing in like 4 weeks, and sub doesnt feel TOO bad

obviously 0 reason for pro players to play it over outlaw but its still alright in lower levels

[narrow tangle]

is scripting common recently or am i being too paranoid

[tribal badger]

got bored today so i bought a full set of honor gear on my ret and knocked out 1800 without any conq gear

turn off brain turn on mongo

[jolly sierra]

today w ret got a match w a glad and an a dh doing 100k sustained dmg

at 1k9 lobby

[languid ravine]

this seasons paladin tier is peak transmog (minus that ugly helmet, blizzard is physically incapable of making a good helmet for some reason)

[waxen meteor]

that's the spirit

[languid ravine]

weirdly with ret you need to turn it on and mongo

[waxen meteor]

tbh, after playing rogue for few lobbies, people should get on ret/dh to throw away mind

just zug a bit

DH has been my emotional therapy this season

[languid ravine]

and then you log on your shadow priest and die to 50 IQ pve bots

[waxen meteor]

i havne't logged on my priest this season

other than valentine event

[jolly sierra]

ye, agree

im currently using it w fyralath

[languid ravine]

never lose an opportunity to brag about legendary

[jolly sierra]

nuh uh

costed me a fortune

lol

[mortal jay]

how do yall keep track of your teammates position.. do you turn on friendly player nameplates? use an addon or some such or wut

[waxen meteor]

how did you get it 😦

i already reached item level 486 from all pves i did to get the orange

and doing weely H raid (only final boss though)

[jolly sierra]

with luck

and spamming LFR

got a very bad hunter in a SS match

he blamed me by a lot

trolled him hard back

he ended 0-6

sadly with 4-2 4-2 in a row won 18 and 14 CR respectively

so ill stop till tuning wave

doesnt worth the risk as assa dude

[waxen meteor]

I did lfr all weeks since it’s on

[jolly sierra]

damn

[sick wasp]

removing ur brain surgically 😄

[jolly sierra]

then just luck

F

[sick wasp]

sub is the way

[jolly sierra]

im the worst player as sub

dont dare me

[sick wasp]

no u are not

[mortal jay]

NO SUB.. NO "GOES" NO HIT RUN! ONLY ZUG ZUG ONLY BLEED HIM, HIM AND HIM THEN AMBUSH HIM!\

[jolly sierra]

i am

[sick wasp]

just train man

there are no bads and goods we all start from somewhere

[jolly sierra]

can tell you

because i already played as sub

in past

im bad af

[mortal jay]

mate

i assure you

i'm bad

[sick wasp]

[jolly sierra]

im worse

[mortal jay]

i have 1249 wins in solo shuffle this season

[sick wasp]

all things considered,u give the impression that ur mindset is very sub-by

[jolly sierra]

WHAT

[mortal jay]

i have 2481 rounds played

[jolly sierra]

ye

im playing in assa

[mortal jay]

i have played nearly 2500 rounds of solo shuffle and i'm barely 50 percent

[jolly sierra]

dude how

[mortal jay]

am bad

am worst rogue on tich

you nor anyone else will take that title from me

[sick wasp]

NA xd

[jolly sierra]

im in EU

XD

[sick wasp]

not u my man

he said tich(ondrius)

[mortal jay]

right.. and sap is saying i'm not just worst rogue tich.. i'm worst rogue NA

[sick wasp]

stop it u ar enot

[mortal jay]

WHICH is probably true

you just said I was!

[sick wasp]

although NA sucks so much lul

anyway ye

whatever

dont be p@ssies

[jolly sierra]

u are starting a war

here

[sick wasp]

train like u mean it

[jolly sierra]

XD

[sick wasp]

hhahahahaha

ye,dont stop and never surrender

and never consider urself bad

[jolly sierra]

u will bring angry NA players with pitchforks

[mortal jay]

i dismantle dh's in blur

and waste it

[jolly sierra]

the thing is, i feel comfortable w assa, progress is good

[mortal jay]

tell me i'm not worst

[jolly sierra]

but i say

[mortal jay]

i once cheapshotted a mage while he was in iceblock

[jolly sierra]

CR gaining after even a good streak

doesnt worth for how i can endure

[sick wasp]

ive dismantled my blind alot in the past

and idk why

[mortal jay]

i blinded a priest just now in my last round

that was cycloned

[sick wasp]

ok thats cursed

[mortal jay]

i'm old.. so there is a split second delay between when I think something... and when my finger pushes

[jolly sierra]

the idea of playing is to feel comfortable too

[mortal jay]

and if something happens in that split second that makes it a bad idea

...

[jolly sierra]

if is viable, then its ok

[mortal jay]

tough shit

[jolly sierra]

so ill stay like this

[mortal jay]

i'm doing it anyway

[sick wasp]

i like challenging myself personally

[jolly sierra]

me too, but pushing is for that

[sick wasp]

its not about pushing only

its about understanding the game

[mortal jay]

catch me in a few days and I'll be cocky again.. but this weekend I had pushed to 1910..

then I dropped to 1700

[jolly sierra]

u are not merek

so i dont care about u bragging

lol

[jolly sierra]

i do, i dont understand why i should go sub

if im playing decently

as assa

[mortal jay]

am old but still immature.. I'm not sure what age you grow up and become an adult.. but it aint 42 apparently.

[jolly sierra]

im 27 yo

[mortal jay]

so am still cocky, arrogant, insecure, emotional, and childish

[jolly sierra]

some persons never change

sadly

[sick wasp]

didnt force u to play,just mentioned an alternative if u hit a ''wall''

sub is very unpredictable

ppl shit themselves only by seeing sub rogues

[jolly sierra]

hmmm

[mortal jay]

i tried sub one time. i couldnt wrap my head around hit and run.. my broken ancient brain can only grasp zug zug

[jolly sierra]

well, since tuning wave dont see too much subs tbh

and the ones i see doesnt pressure so hard compared to before

i feel outlaw is more threatening rn

[mortal jay]

outlaw does feel like it has more pressure

and feels harder to kill

[jolly sierra]

yep

[mortal jay]

as assass

[jolly sierra]

i think in general

[mortal jay]

sub.. as long as I've got a trinket and a defensive for his go.. i can ignore him

[jolly sierra]

got an outlaw getting 6-0 easily with my ww

well tbh have not seen too much rogues rn running around after tuning

mostly are DHs and destros

and WW

[sick wasp]

Sub has the biggest onetap potential in the game and has the kit to play ''isolate'' better than any other specc in the game.So,if u ignore sub rogues there are two things that are most likely true here :
1)They lack basic sub rogue understanding
2)U dont understand how sub rogues work

[jolly sierra]

i play multiple classes rn

usually always call sub as target when is available

specially when im going as plate lol

[sick wasp]

yes coz its very easily punishable

thats true

if u do mistakes or play bad u can throw a game

but thats rogue in general

[jolly sierra]

ofc

[sick wasp]

so it doesnt rly matter if outlaw ''brawls'' better

[jolly sierra]

i was saying

outlaw is better rn

[sick wasp]

coz u never brawl into a ret pally or a war

[mortal jay]

WELL i mean.. during their "go " they are dangerous yes.. thats what I mean when I say.. have a trinket and a defensive..cloak..evasion..etc

[jolly sierra]

after the tuning wave

[sick wasp]

its not

[mortal jay]

but outside of their go.. they have zero sustained damage

[sick wasp]

yes thats basicly all good pvp speccs

bursty

[mortal jay]

if a sub just used his burst though.. and failed to secure a kill

he has two choices

run and restealth

or

literally tickle me

[sick wasp]

thats not true

sub can easily cc the healer

alone

and isolate

u bomb into blind

or stun

and duel

u give ur team 25sec

[mortal jay]

... which would be his burst window

[sick wasp]

no lol

u can do either way

cc or kill

[jolly sierra]

u have more outlaws rn

in representation

for pvp

[sick wasp]

coz they are better into certain comps

thats why

[mortal jay]

subs arent saving duel to cc healers or using it defensively.

[jolly sierra]

or maybe because they perform better rn?

[sick wasp]

no they dont

[mortal jay]

it aint happening. not in 2500 rounds of solo shuffle

[sick wasp]

they ar ejust better into certain comps

[mortal jay]

no one asnwerweered my question earlier

[jolly sierra]

they have very decent representation too in SS

[mortal jay]

do yall play with friendly player nameplates on so you can track your healers position?

i've got to stop lossing my healers and or leaving them stuck in cc . but without some form of name plate on em.. i just lose them

[sick wasp]

i personally dont but its a personal preference

[mortal jay]

how do you track teammates position

[sick wasp]

mark them

[mortal jay]

i'm not always group lead

lol;

[sick wasp]

ask for a mark then

[jolly sierra]

im going to sleep, forgot my cat woke me up at 6 AM

cya

[sick wasp]

gn my man

[jolly sierra]

gn dude

[mortal jay]

solo shuffle is populated by the most toxic, childish, hateful, subhumans that exist

so much as speaking to one of them is asking to be called a racial slur for existing

[sick wasp]

its just the version of pvp that u que

and run in press cds and die

there is no planning involved

thats why u cant see good pvp specs

in shuffle outlaw thrives coz its a brawl specc

[mortal jay]

i dont like default nameplates on teammates.. far too cluttered screen

but i think i found an alternative compromise 🙂

[sick wasp]

there is an automarker addon

or its a WA cant recall

[mortal jay]

https://gyazo.com/c1155f6ea23dd4b9245b20aaac640afb

[sick wasp]

thats for keys ^^

u just mark ppl with a nipple n stuff and u good for pvp

[mortal jay]

works for me for pvp 🙂 i've got enemies completely different looking.. and this feels minimlist.. so i am gonna try

[sick wasp]

sure if it works for u good stuff

[mortal jay]

to put it into perspective

https://gyazo.com/fda6a1ec144c35e19de232153fe822e6

[sick wasp]

that looks fine tbh

not many things happen infront of u to distract n stuff

u gucci

u might wanna try some camera distance coz its like u are tunnelvision-ing

but other than that looks cool

[mortal jay]

am 42

brain no process more than 1 thing

must focus!!

actually, im not sure why it's that class right there.. as a rule I keep camera distance maxed

[steel scarab]

How do you make the icons large like that?

Like the sap and cheap shot icons

[radiant glen]

bigdebuffs addon

is a good start

hes using more than just that tho, looks like flyPlate

wait and a plater profile

my brother in christ you have 3 icons for each cc

[waxen meteor]

Bigdebuff is one of my fav addon

[gleaming pawn]

I wish it would allow you to have debuffs on one anchor and buffs/CDs on another. But yeah BigDebuffs is one of the best addons ever

[tribal badger]

man ive done like 20 rounds of solo shuffle on my ret now and ive yet to get a spark

i just wanna upgrade my embelly boots

[jolly sierra]

go LFR

its faster

"we are looking for raiders for midnight"
-eww pve

[willow valley]

[nova viper]

pve andys

dont play with him

[jolly sierra]

no fkn way after reaching this server outside the pvp thread lol

[surreal barn]

Hey man I was in the same boat and got a load of them from the LFR

[jolly sierra]

see

[sick wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6fmg0CKtZU

[fervent mulch]

is there a section for SOD

[jolly sierra]

nuh uh

[surreal barn]

Despicable

[sick wasp]

im laughing so much with those vids man

not high pvp performance,but quite amusing

[surreal barn]

Are you making them

It’s gold

[sick wasp]

no its just a random NA Hunter iirc

[surreal barn]

I kinda want his backing track

For my life

[sick wasp]

he is streaming regularly bgs/rbgs

from times to times im watching when there is not much happening when i work

thats how ive spotted him in the 1st place

[exotic dove]

Took a small break from wow came back and had a great assa lobby went up against Devo and 2 hpals. 6-0 got to 2182 CR and 2235 mmr. I didn't press Deathmark and they didnt press Caut or BoP waiting for Deathmark

Just used dance and bleed the the two dps and cced the healer

This is on my second rogue

which is now higher than the main rogue

[jolly sierra]

uuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh

nice nice

i dropped it for a little time

cuz it gave me very few cr

at 4-2

[surreal barn]

Damn

First shuffle on the new rogue

Forgot poisons whole shuffle lol

We still went 5-1 😂

[jolly sierra]

oh

XD

when did u noticed

[surreal barn]

In valdrakken

[jolly sierra]

oof

[stoic spruce]

I miss pre-crackshot

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah, crackshot has been fun in m+ but I miss having less RNG in pvp. Getting little to no crackshot resets feel so fucking bad

[jolly sierra]

ended 1-5 against a DH/DH/destro match

one of them was about to win 6

there is something i dont get

why tf ive saw way too much glads and current elite players at 1k9 MMR

[surreal barn]

Cause no one playing 😂

[jolly sierra]

are u fkn kidding me

AAAAAAAAAAA

[halcyon timber]

chat gpt wrote that for sure

[gleaming pawn]

it felt like the start of a copypasta

fucking brainlet DH

[jolly sierra]

its a copypasta indeed

fucking DHs

[tribal badger]

i sleep to wake up to make fun of outlaw
i play sub to make fun of outlaw
i eat so i can think of more content to make fun of outlaw
i make fun of outlaw cuz they are target capped
i play sub cuz it isnt target capped
i enjoy assa more than outlaw cuz it has a better version of Flurry
i make fun of outlaw cuz it will never be meta in raid
i play sub cuz it will always be meta in raid
||there was gonna be a point 9 but outlaw cant reach that many||

[jolly sierra]

oof

btw, is AWC still active rn?

[gleaming pawn]

nope

mid-March

for the "Mid Season Clash"

[jolly sierra]

oh god why

well, im setting a goal for now

a very reachable one, so i will avoid overstressing for now xd

XD

[jolly sierra]

im sticking this for now

going to the monk to stick it too

duelist can wait, i priorize the gold rn

[grave basin]

Double dh lobbies are fucking cursed

[jolly sierra]

got 2 in a row w the assa

[safe cloak]

Some awc dudes are experimenting with it.

[grave basin]

The double dh for me always go 4-2 minimum

And I'm lucky to get 2 wins

[jolly sierra]

damn

last one got one with a 6-0 DH

[jolly sierra]

ye, pika switched to dh sometimes in AWC tho

[safe cloak]

sad to see people like nahj and pika play dh. Tears my heart to pieces.

Somehow blasting 200mil dmg on repeat is better than playing a stunbot.

[jolly sierra]

that will kill DHs when AWC ends tho

because if even R1 plays w them, is for some obvious reason

they wanna win

there are not fun there

[safe cloak]

Yeah, lets hope

[jolly sierra]

finally the 1st sub rogue in like 2 weeks

[ornate mauve]

i hopped on a DH and hit 2100 with like a 75% WR, having not played the spec before this season

ya its more complex than its been before but still undeniably braindead

needs a nerf so bad

[jolly sierra]

Dh is balanced by the fact that it's extremely hard to play and requires a lot of strategical thought and careful calculation to do well with. Most people that pickup dh eventually stall out around 1200 whereas those who devote countless hours to mastering DH's complexity achieve good rating.

[halcyon timber]

96 other dh agreed with that post

[halcyon timber]

Turn that into a macro and post that in general chat as a /say for scientific data collection purposes for people’s feedback.

[jolly sierra]

nah

[halcyon timber]

XD

[jolly sierra]

i just need to see "dh plays w 2 buttons"

[halcyon timber]

At least it’s not warlock propaganda “dH sToLE mEtAmoRphosIs fRom Us GivE iT bAcK”

[jolly sierra]

i would rather prefer to give them back meta

lol

[halcyon timber]

Nah eff that

Was miserable af

Makes zero sense anyway.

Dh might get a lot of passive damage cut down soon anyway

[grave basin]

"soon"

Blud thinks the Devs are tuning anything till start of S4 earliest

[waxen meteor]

Don’t know, but this season seems to be quite less popular than previous ones

Nobody seems to even care about balance anymore

[jolly sierra]

another 4-2 w the rog

then a 2-X and a leaver at third one

won 9 CR

but the MMR boost is huge tho

so im ok w that

[grave basin]

Hard to care when blizzard doesn't

[willow valley]

why should we care if blizzard doesnt

if we did, it would change nothing

blizzard just wants money, and pvp doesnt give them that, so they just make some changes, buff this nerf that and thats it

its actually sad, but it is what it is, and we cant do shit

[boreal shale]

the thing is they're not even buffing or nerfing anything lol

[willow valley]

then my point is true

cuz they care more about pve and all that shit than pvp

[boreal shale]

i'm fine if they gave half a shit about pvp

but it's annoying when they literally does not care at all

[willow valley]

i understand that theres more people playing pve, but man, its not out problem that pvp is harder than hitting a dumb npc while u hit ur keyboard

[boreal shale]

DH has been OP all season and they gave 0 fuck

[willow valley]

i mean

the only thing we need is balance

thats enough

its not that difficult

[willow valley]

yeah bro, im tired of hearing all those DH players complaining about everything while theyre playing one of the most strong classes and also the most easy class to play, that even a baby can play it good

and all they say is "bro rogue is broken 🤓 "

or "bro omg how did i loose against a mage 😭 "

[boreal shale]

love how they cry about rogue cc when they have just as much

but little dh brain can't press all the buttons

[surreal barn]

You can’t balance wow pvp

I honestly don’t remember a time it ever was

[willow valley]

😂

wait wait, thats the best joke i ever heard

im going to cry

[surreal barn]

He’s talking about playing with a controller

It be different

[willow valley]

bro

who plays with controller

[surreal barn]

Demon hunters

Too many

Those three tiny buttons on the top are their focus macros

[boreal shale]

since when was a dh allowed to have opinions?

[candid condor]

Ever since they started uuuh.. "Building rockets"

[surreal barn]

Masterminds.

The Galifanakis kind

[boreal shale]

if you play DH or aug you literally are NOT allowed to hold any opinion of any sort

[surreal barn]

Aug is kinda harder now

Since they die so easy

[boreal shale]

it's written in the geneva conventions

i don't care what music you like what food you eat

[surreal barn]

I did an assa lobby with an aug… omg. One of my favorite

[boreal shale]

DH aug pre aug nerf was something else

[surreal barn]

My dots were absolutely lethal.

[surreal barn]

Yeah that was hard when I was playing sub

[boreal shale]

i don't think it's a sub problem

no healer can heal that kind of dps lol

not saying dh isn't any better to play against now

a bunch of DH warrior zugged their way wayyy out of their normal bracket lol

knowing wow players half of the playerbase would sign their rights away to play meta anyway

[surreal barn]

I am kinda wondering how many will quit if it is nerfed

[boreal shale]

they would just roll another char when the meta shifts

[surreal barn]

Not the same

[candid condor]

Idk man, if you eat mustard on pineapple for example Im judging you regardless of class.

[boreal shale]

point is dh and aug players aren't allowed to say they like it in the first place

if they do, straight to the guillotine

though for Americans the geneva conventions are more like geneva guidelines so that's why you see ~~the US committing war crimes ~~ the DH players talking so much nowadays

[thick slate]

Heyo dont mislead what i say 😮 !!!

the guy who replied to me was something else lmao, that reply was copium

but my original comment was a reddit post about someone playing on a controller, and the class was dh

so i said ofc its a dh

then the conversation turned to how much dh is hated and i said that people just love hating on dh, its a trend that picked itself up since BFA

when dh was the best class for gushing wounds and you just did so much dmg from random dots

u can do nothing and your enemy is dying

[surreal barn]

But what controller do you use

I’m in the market

[thick slate]

its not me

it was a random reddit user

[surreal barn]

If Microsoft makes something like this I think it will work

Maybe turn upside down to make it look like demon hunter horns

[boreal shale]

if you have a joystick you can use something like this for damage spells

[surreal barn]

2 dollars shipped on AliExpress if you don’t mind it having no RBG

But let’s be real we are splurging $5 for the RBG

[wintry dew]

Afaik RGB = more skill

[jolly sierra]

RGB gives the power

[sick wasp]

ahhaahahahaha

[willow valley]

i started playing on dragonflight, and i still hate dh

not cuz its a trend

its cuz of the players that complaing about other clases being broken when dh is one of the strongest clases this season and its also a class made for dummies who only need 3 buttons and a joystick

and before all that i loved how dh looked, i even created a dh and started leveling with it

now my poor dh is still at lvl 22 cuz i cant even use it for 5 sec

[languid ravine]

this is typical slander and strawmanning

yall out here saying they just need 3 buttons is ridiculous

and you know it

because as a DH

you also need Footpedal for felrush and retreat

sorry thats all but this had to be said

[willow valley]

[willow valley]

dont worry mate

in fact, i was wrong

u need 4 buttons and footpedal

my mistake

[languid ravine]

well with 2set bonus your 4th button presses automatically when you use 1st button

[willow valley]

[surreal barn]

Foot pedal actually would be fun to play with

[jolly sierra]

i throw a fried chicken w honey mustard to the garbo, is that ok?

taste contrast was disgusting for me lol

[jolly sierra]

foot pedal to sprint

[surreal barn]

Foot pedal to target

[jolly sierra]

that is new

[surreal barn]

For heals

lol

[willow valley]

ur crazy

[jolly sierra]

yes

[waxen meteor]

I wonder what this maintenance is that takes so long

with no update

everytime when wow is under weekly maintenance, i feel i am playing a 1990 game

(which probably is partially true)

[sick wasp]

well its 14 years after 1990 wow launched but in the geological time scale its practically pointless

[waxen meteor]

[sick wasp]

[grave basin]

i like how blade dance has like 9 effects tied into it now

game just plays itself on DH

1 blade dance =
aoe damage
ms
single target nuke
throws glaive
applies soulscar
slows
+10% magic dam

[languid ravine]

we have Fire mage at home

[jolly sierra]

fire mage at home:

[jolly sierra]

found fkn archimonde in gladiator site in valdrakken

[tribal badger]

gigachad

[surreal barn]

Does the pickpocket glyph still work lol

[waxen meteor]

pff

looks no bad

[jolly sierra]

nah, looks pretty nice

like a chad

[hexed pollen]

pickpocket macro to steal your friends gold

[radiant glen]

what about the pickpocket weakaura that makes them auto mail gold to u any time they click a mailbox

[stoic spruce]

You wanna try this again? Lol

[foggy quest]

does bandolier of twisted blades feel good in pvp or are on use trinkets bad now (I haven't really pvp'd in years)

[hexed pollen]

trinket set bonus too strong

pve trinkets nerfed in pvp also

[foggy quest]

oh for sure, I haven't even looked at the pvp gear, I was just going to run in with my raid gear, thanks

[spring bough]

first solo lobby of day round one. match opens im putting on poisons out of stealth. rogue rushes me tried to delete me. i countered and killed him thru cheat death and cloak LMAO

so bro has been sitting in every round since not even playing

wish i recorded it lmao

[surreal barn]

Damn

Hilarious

Was he outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Damn yall still playing?

[spring bough]

it was a sin rogue of course lmao

[spring bough]

yeah still dropping peeps in solo lmao

[stoic spruce]

lul

[spring bough]

might have to take a break all of season 4 till war within lmao

[stoic spruce]

I hit my goal and now im just chilling with other games

its so nice

starting to miss wow

I havent hit ksh yet

[spring bough]

same here but now im looking at this legend achieve and title and im like hmmmmmm

[hexed pollen]

been grinding this, takes forever

[narrow tangle]

is next season at march?

[jolly sierra]

should be in may

[exotic dove]

Seems like its April form what I am hearing for next season was told Blizzard doesnt want to change the season while MDI and AWC is going on

Which I believe both end at the end of March I think

might be May that could be possible too

[jolly sierra]

the best way to know if we are close to the end

is with spoils of war

but nothing yet

[sick wasp]

almost there,keep it going 🤘

[plucky escarp]

Is there any good resources on how to play RPS? We’re all newish to rogue, priest and shaman. I’m playing outlaw.

I have a hard time doing DPS and CC. I also feel like I’m not peeling for my SP enough. I’ll be doing like 40k dps in a double melee lobby. And they will be doing like 100k to my SP lol

[deep hollow]

yea rogue damage is really low.. rets/ww/dh/warriors/lock/mage all hit way harder

[jolly sierra]

ye

our point is CC and land kills

[pine badge]

yes, came to realise the same problem. figured that our class role is not to deal damage to this extent, i wouldn't think, as we are blessed with CC and the ability to pop out and land kills

[jolly sierra]

by grabbing their healers or annoying dps by the balls

[pine badge]

yes, exactly as mage disarmer female panda rogue said

[jolly sierra]

and make them mess

[pine badge]

we have our fun with other classes, hunters esp.

and feral druids

[boreal shale]

except for dh, they have a fuck ton of damage, a fuck ton of ccs and a fuck ton of immunities

and a fuck ton of braindead players

[pine badge]

dh are an absolute bitch of an opponent for rogues. not to mention their spectral sight

[boreal shale]

they're cancer to fight against for everyone

it's supposed to be the least annoying for rogues but it's still unbearable

[pine badge]

damn, i alwasy avoid them

wdym supposed to be least annoying? just cause of our cc's and ability to vanish?

[boreal shale]

yeah subt counters DH

sure doesn't feel that way when they just press their 3 buttons and do 100k dps

[pine badge]

was just about to say. gotta figure out how to counter em i reckon

[boreal shale]

in 2s it's fine if you fight a shit dh, they just bend over and die

but in 3s they just queue with a warrior and sit on your healer

[pine badge]

yeah fair

hit my first 125k shot yesterday

fuckin creamed

[minor cape]

dh has nothing if he has no trinket

so the way to kill dh is force trinket and stunlock inside a smoke bomb

but im hearing it's op rn so they might still outzug you

[boreal shale]

that's only true in 2s

[minor cape]

yeah im 2s and shuff player

[boreal shale]

and the majority of the time you're not gonna 100-0 him in dance

[minor cape]

but 3s it's the strat too

in 3s you have your mage to help you

or your lock (he will run out of every defensive in the span of 20 seconds in a match against dh and warrior)

or your shadowpriest (he will run out of every defensive in the span of 20 seconds in a match against dh and warrior)

[boreal shale]

rmp is fine against dh war because you can limit what the dh can do off goes

but it's still fucking annoying to fight

even in 2s you can't just kill him in a dance unless the dh is very stupid

[minor cape]

i hate dh war, it's annoying to play against, but to ease your pain you can imagine them being two dudes on a bootcamp who kiss after every win or slap eachothers ass after they lose

[minor cape]

as rm you can as rogue disc you probably can too

this whole matchup is a rogue skillcheck

which i loose anyway many times, but that's my skill issue

🤪

[boreal shale]

i mean you can if both players just afk and let you do all the damage

but that's not gonna happen with dhs that press more than 3 buttons

in 2s dhs aren't as bad as in 3s but they're still one of the most annoying spec to fight by far

i'd say just below demo from how many pets they spawn

[minor cape]

i mean 2s as sub is a pain in the ass anyways

but dh might be one of the easiest matchups

even tho it ain't easy anyway

xd

[boreal shale]

subt is very fine in 2s

[minor cape]

i have outdated info

from summer last year

[boreal shale]

last season subt was also the best rogue spec by a large margin

[minor cape]

yes, but not 2s

honestly

subs strength in 2s is based on two factors - is fire mage insane right now or is sub able to oneshot 100-0

[boreal shale]

that's far from true lmao

[minor cape]

yeah that's my 1.9 opinion so

[boreal shale]

for the entirety of last season i played disc subt

[minor cape]

probably not very based

xd

i did too

[boreal shale]

every match up was fine to play, nothing really stood out as very hard to win

[minor cape]

yes, but lack of damage was there

in sub disc

it's not like i lost too much, it's more about how it felt

very not satisfying

situations of 3% of hp left in bomb and dude just gets healed to full happened way too often

zug zug feels better xd

[boreal shale]

you don't need to win by 1 shotting every game though

last season subt was less bursty but more consistent damage so you can stay in

[minor cape]

how so? sub is all about getting those defensives and popping a dude in a go

[minor cape]

i meant that season when everyone played rotten

[boreal shale]

you still set up for a go but i've never felt like rogue priest lacked damage

every single game i lost we could've won by doing something better

[minor cape]

means you're better as rogue

or maybe your priest is better as priest

[boreal shale]

not like this season where dh can just bullshit their way for a win

[sick wasp]

felt like last season sub had less dmg than this one

but sub is sub,always dangerous no matter what

also there is no such thing as consistent dmg for sub,cant rly stay in the open stabbing stuff

sub doesnt work that way

u send,trade,reset

or kill,which is kinda the case with sub in pvp

[boreal shale]

against casters, yes, but you can't really run away against melee healer

[sick wasp]

depends the comp u into

[boreal shale]

i was talking about 2s, last season you didn't need to run away as much

[sick wasp]

well ye but last season 2s i think sin or outlaw was better than sub

unless u qued with a mage or hunter

[boreal shale]

sin maybe but no way outlaw is better

[sick wasp]

with a priest or druid it was very solid

but anyway ye thats not the point

[boreal shale]

you have to play faster than 3s cz it's on you to set everything up but you have way more control over the flow

i don't see a reason why subt is best in 3s but not 2s

[sick wasp]

as sub u do that pretty much everywhere but in 2s there are classes that can counter a go coz u might lack the dmg

and 2s isnt rly a bracket,its a set up and probably specc specific

in 3s is the real rated arena pvp and its there where sub rly shines

fukin 2s and shuffles is totally BS

barely pvp

[boreal shale]

they can counter your go the same way in 3s, if you set up right your kill pressure is just as high

[sick wasp]

no 3s is waaay different

there is cross cc

thats very not the case

[boreal shale]

you cross cc in 2s too, just with 2 people

[sick wasp]

ye thats why if u F up or get F'd up by some 1-2 second mini cc or slow of some short

u might not have the dmg for it

its very more punishing

[boreal shale]

for subt every bracket is all about set up idk what you're talking about here

yea you just have to play better cz there's no mage there to cover you if you fuck up

[sick wasp]

no one can cover u

thats the problem

its ur dmg

[boreal shale]

though in rmp if you fuck up your cross the go is ruined anyway

[sick wasp]

not the case

[boreal shale]

it's the same thing just set up with 2 people

[sick wasp]

u can isolate and still kill

and RMP can turtle

alot more

coz mage cc's for u

and sub is very weak when there isnt someone to cover ur @ss when u get run down

e.g by a hunter or a druid that can disrupt ur sht

or a shaman for all we know

[boreal shale]

then you pre cc if you need it

[sick wasp]

ye thats rolling a dice

[boreal shale]

there's a method to everything you just need to learn it

[sick wasp]

ofc there is

i didnt say its not doable 😛

[boreal shale]

how is precc rolling a dice?

[sick wasp]

because if u pre-cc they can trade cds to u easier coz they know ur conditions in 2s more than in 3s

that means u end up pressing blades for nothing 😉

jsut to be clear

[boreal shale]

that's exactly why you don't press your cds when you pre cc

what do you mean?

the point of pre cc is for them to not be able to answer without trinket

if they send defensives into pre cc just abort and get the defensives for free

[sick wasp]

thats where i was about to end up to

but thats the problem

u most likely dont get to always get the open in the end

coz u arent playing alone

the only ''perfect scenario'' that happens is with a mage

cant imagine any other way i can actually agree

[boreal shale]

i actually have 0 clue what you're talking about

what's "dont get to always get the open in the end"

you mean you just die before next go?

[sick wasp]

thats a probability as well but the general idea is to set up for the opener thats where sub gets the most value of anything

but ye could evaluate other stuff like bad trinkets and no cds and stuff and precc for an opportunity as well

[boreal shale]

oh you mean subt is bad because the opener isn't good?

[sick wasp]

im saying that its not always the best

as in it can go south

😛

[boreal shale]

you aren't gonna win in the opener every game, it only happens once per game

even if played perfectly they can always answer it

[sick wasp]

thats pvp man ofc

[boreal shale]

though sap healer cs kill target is still plenty good enough

[sick wasp]

yup thats always pretty much the plan

[boreal shale]

against something like a dh or warrior you can always delay opening after sap if they backflip/bladestorm

it's not gonna be as good with a mage but it's not weak by any means

any very much not any weaker than assa or outlaw

[sick wasp]

Its fine with hunter as well but ye mage has rof

[boreal shale]

last season every game against stealthies i straight up gave them the opener

not 1 game did i think i lost because of it

[sick wasp]

most times ive qued 2s last season was sin coz i have the idea in my head many years now that sin is more oppressive

had alot of failures in 2s

so i just que with a healer and climb my way up with a calm mind

[boreal shale]

in 2s you just have to trade more carefully cz the games are less complicated

[sick wasp]

pretty much yeah

everything is very obvious after a single cd is pressed

u know when trinket is coming most of the times

etc

[boreal shale]

i've never been rank 1 so take this with a grain of salt but imo you don't win with perfect play below rank 1, you win by not fucking up. Especially in 2s since it's more punishing

not having a perfect opener doesn't mean that it's weak, just means you can't fuck up as much

[sick wasp]

i havent been in r1 range as well

[boreal shale]

subt set ups are just as oppressive in 2s as it is in 3s

[sick wasp]

ye ofc,in pvp u win the less mistakes u do

most of the time

[boreal shale]

for the entirety of last season i've seen maybe 2-3 outlaws in total, none of them stood out as being any good

sin is a different thing from subt but i've never felt like i had less pressure than them

[pine badge]

just 2v1'd a dk and hunter in arena and won

[minor cape]

skirm?

[sick wasp]

raz doing outlaw 2s

hop in to educate urselves boys

[wintry dew]

Need a link!

[sick wasp]

https://www.twitch.tv/raztvx

now he's on assa tech

[stoic spruce]

Yo ho yo ho and a bottle of rum

[jolly sierra]

bought deathwing mousepad

it come w this

and some german candies

[wintry dew]

I have the cataclysm t shirt!

[jolly sierra]

uuuuuhhh show it show it

[tribal badger]

cata art went hard

worgen starting zone did too

good times

im getting my wotlk rogue ready for cata

[wintry dew]

Let me get the front view (those are Google images)

They were being sold some years ago in a clothes shop named "pull & bear"

[willow valley]

wow

i need it

[jolly sierra]

u found a very good shirt dude

imagine a guy watching u from back wearing that lol

[jolly sierra]

tbh i consider cata the worst expansion for content but damn artwort is insane

[tribal badger]

wtf rogue content was bangin

[jolly sierra]

specially alexstrasza vs deathwing

[tribal badger]

we got the best legendary questline they ever made

rogue specific leggos 🤤

stealth based questline to unlock them

also rogue was hilarious op

but thats besides the fact

[jolly sierra]

anything which mess the entire world removing all old shit till today is considered unforgiveable at my eyes

[tribal badger]

ah

ye i feel the opposite cause i immediatly made a new toon to quest 1`-60 thru the new zones instead of leveling from 80-85

and that was some of the best questing ive ever done

so many of the zones were improved

[jolly sierra]

also, it simplefied a lot the gameplay

ye but idk

i miss old shit tbh

[tribal badger]

they also took big steps into making classes rotations make sense

and making it so there werent "pvp" and "pve" specs anymore

like i think cata was the first expac sub was actually a viable pve spec

as well as a pvp spec

same for frost iirc

[wintry dew]

For me, they should have kept the old zones like they were, the changes didn't impact any zone in a positive way. And the best example is the barrens

[jolly sierra]

i still recall a quest where i need to die to reach the other point

[jolly sierra]

BARRENS FUCKING BARRENS

that is my biggest complain

i miss old ones

and thousand needles

now is a fkn pool

[tribal badger]

r u talking about the worlds appearence or the actual questlines cause i massively prefered post cata zone questlines for leveling

every zone had actual cohesion and regular pathing

[jolly sierra]

both

[tribal badger]

no schitzo flying around to random other zones to hand in 1 off quests

there was actual storylines inside the zone instead of just the general world narrative

like each zone had its own seperate things going on

[wintry dew]

I can second that

[tribal badger]

it was super nice

[jolly sierra]

that could be still possible without removing shit tho

[tribal badger]

sure they coulda just reworked all the old quests instead but it made sense with the world narrative to have new zone quests and storylines that were keeping up with the modern plot

since most of the old zones didnt really have any serious storylines going on at all

[jolly sierra]

like stonetalon?

[tribal badger]

some did but most were just kinda random questing

[jolly sierra]

the other zone i miss a lot is darkshore

[wintry dew]

There's a zone in the north barrens filled with max level npcs that to this day I have no idea what they are doing there

[jolly sierra]

the kor kron?

[wintry dew]

Yeah

[jolly sierra]

were for mop end patch

with darkspear revolution

[tribal badger]

ye that was a post cata thing

[wintry dew]

WHY THEY STILL THERE

[jolly sierra]

still regret not getting DK shit from that patch

had the blue and gold dk colors

even boots

[wintry dew]

it's like finding garrosh hanging in the council room with voljin and Sylvanas

[jolly sierra]

idk, but in panda questlines

till today u got garrosh receiving u

[wintry dew]

He is forever in our hearts

Because he did nothing wrong

[jolly sierra]

the only thing they removed was u fighting against a magnataur

[jolly sierra]

and this was because ring of valor was replaced for brawlers guild