pvp

[pale storm]

How close are you? How many HKs you farming a day? I’m 221k/250k been slowly grinding

[surreal barn]

Ashran is the way

Assram*

[hexed pollen]

i mostly pve so been grinding slowly for years

[pale storm]

dang, you are ahead of me, just 😛 I need to lock it in

[hexed pollen]

hows your honor level?

[pale storm]

292

I stopped playing retail for a few years when classic came out and came back mid s1 DF

my account is from vanikla tho

[hexed pollen]

oh nice, welcome back, you play sub mostly?

[pale storm]

s1 played assa, switched to sub in the doiwn time between seasons, oklayed mostly sub s2 and have plaued everything thisd season, you?

[hexed pollen]

i always play sub until this teir now im assa in pvp. usually play meta for pve being a mythic raider

assa fun as hell in random bgs

bleed em out

[waxen meteor]

Man, do you guys get keyboard locked bug often when you swap builds in arena prep time?

skill just doesn't get triggered after the bug, when you press keyboard hotkey

[surreal barn]

Hmm, not me. I do have an issue with one of my macros not working if I swap specs. Have to rename it then it works 😆

[waxen meteor]

i rl every game now

lost two rounds simply because i had to mouse click every skill on main hotkey row

not sure why

[steel scarab]

Man just went 5-1 in SS

Am up to 1937

Maybe 2000 will be my goal now

D:

[jolly sierra]

have u got already passed 1k8? gratz

[jolly sierra]

this xmog fits perfectly w the horse

[jolly sierra]

GUYS GUYS GUYS

LOOK AT THIS

[waxen meteor]

jealous makes me sick

[jolly sierra]

me too

literal went all fucking weeks

now we will have fun

but at first lets do this lego

[gleaming pawn]

I expect you to be 2400 by the end of the week now Panda

[jolly sierra]

u expect way too much from me seijuro

but this is my current mood rn

[gleaming pawn]

I just have faith in you

[jolly sierra]

will try btw

thank you

[waxen meteor]

You mean you are ready for the 10 hours quest and 100k gold

[jolly sierra]

sure thing i am

wep is a wep

[steel scarab]

@jolly sierra aye, past 1800!

[jolly sierra]

nice, gratz, finally

now im going to sleep

im kidnapping a mythic pve friend for later

cya

[steel scarab]

Good night!

[wintry dew]

100k gold? Prices went down?!

[rigid fox]

Can anyone share a rtb wa for pvp ?

[willow valley]

roll the bones?

u mean a wa that shows u when to roll?

[surreal barn]

Good shit Kevin. 2k isn’t the goal 2.1 is - if you got past 1900 then you’ll have 2.1 by season end

[tawdry yew]

i need to re-ask for a macro to sap mine is fucked and the one pinged don't work too i d'ont know why :/ if someone can help :)))

[narrow tangle]

sometimes BtE does trigger the animation but it doesnt deal dmg or gets to GCD, if i try to spam BtE on that moment all i hear is gunshot but nothing happens, it occurs a lot recently

is there any way to play around that bug

[surreal barn]

I honestly feel like that happens when I’m slightly out of range

I could be wrong

[rigid fox]

Yes nxmercy

[languid ravine]

is this after shadowmeld? its bugged often

[tribal badger]

This happens when ur target leaves Los as ur pressing it

And will continue to happen as long as ur spamming it at someone out of los

Occasionally it just bugs out and does this even after u swap

[languid ravine]

first 5 buff of the day: but my retpal was afk griefing me +

[willow valley]

ok

i have the wa

i will share it later, im not home rn

[surreal barn]

What race should the next rogue be

Currently have NE, Undead, Human

[lucid citrus]

Orc

[clever elk]

gonna get that tabard

[pale storm]

tauren

[clever elk]

🙂

[waxen meteor]

does 2s even get you tabard at all?

[surreal barn]

Moocabre - Tichondrius has been born

The 2% extra crit damage is what sold me lol

[clever elk]

its purchasable upon reachin 2.1kcr

[waxen meteor]

hmmm i don't think so

i think it's 2400+ for 3s or solo

probably rbg too

[clever elk]

2.4k then sry

[waxen meteor]

and i am not sure 2s give you elite

possible

[jolly sierra]

it does

i have a friend which got his first elite in 2s

i got it in SS

[waxen meteor]

yeah 2.1 only gives you these

[lucid citrus]

Why so blurry? Lol

[languid ravine]

today marks a grand historical day, got my first ever compliment while playing Outlaw:
"you are from other planeeeet...."

[rare python]

I've put this video in the Outlaw channel aswell. but still... xD

Have you guys seen this macro video from Palumor? damn thats sick for pvp Outlaw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AX9_nbP3DE

[jolly sierra]

about to get all grinding from lego, im just lacking the superblooms

[languid ravine]

damn I ll put it to the list of 20 macros I ll never train myself to use

but this one might actually be so good to be worth training for

[waxen meteor]

Super blooms is easy nowadays isn’t it

You don’t even need to be on the faction that kills the boss

[jolly sierra]

yeah, but slow af

[jolly sierra]

97/200

[willow valley]

gnome

[nova viper]

seeeeexo

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[nova viper]

SUB MY BOOOY

[tribal badger]

btw

u can do this same thing

but if u use @player instead of @cursor

u dont even need to aim ur mouse

it will grapple directly back to where u were before u stepped

holy fuk this looks so much like botting

AHAHAHA

i need to record this somehow

[jolly sierra]

im w fyrakk lego rn

close to finishing it

[surreal barn]

This is kinda nuts lol

@spring bough

New tech

[surreal barn]

If WoW comes to gamepass

That’s gonna be nuts

[jolly sierra]

yep

that would save my gold

[willow valley]

how much does gamepass cost?

[ornate mauve]

with kidney, kidney sometimes doesnt go off and i get the error message "ur facing the wrong way", anyone know why or if theres a work around

actually it sometimes happens with kick too

[ornate mauve]

actually it was only happening when my focus was one of the aoe target dummies

[willow valley]

um, well

i dont remember where did i get the wa

i thought it was from wago.io

but i cant find it

so, here u have it

(idk if i can share that here, srry if i cant, i will delete it if so)

[hexed pollen]

is that the pickpocket wa to actually steal peoples gold?

[willow valley]

nuh uh

[hexed pollen]

found it, i forgot its just a macro

[willow valley]

[hexed pollen]

no this one

[willow valley]

definetly the best macro in wow

[hexed pollen]

agreed, works everytime

[boreal shale]

Does anyone's step kick macro brick?

They used to work but the kick doesnt go off anymore

[hexed pollen]

this one?

[surreal barn]

1v2 a skirm on the new tauren

Vs hunter ret pal

[boreal shale]

yes

that and the step kick grapple macro for outlaw

all of them don't kick, step and grapple still work

[hexed pollen]

try without grapple

i dont pvp that much but seems to kick still as assa

[boreal shale]

even without grapple it still doesn't work

it might be a bug cz it used to work for me fine

[hexed pollen]

mine didnt work just now either, the fook

works on training dummies but not arena

[boreal shale]

mine doesn't work on training dummies either

but it works if i mash the macro

pressing it once doesn't send the kick

[jolly sierra]

im almost done dudes

190k spent in the fkn wep

just bosses are remaining

i have the wep for tomorrow

[hidden dome]

Crafting legendary?

[jolly sierra]

ye

[hidden dome]

Oh gz

[jolly sierra]

finally dropped

ty ty

[hidden dome]

Is it even good for PvP?

Saw some rets running it

[jolly sierra]

496 ilvl

[hidden dome]

Oh I guess high ilevel makes it good

Now I want 2 of them for my outlaw

Outlaws need titangrip from fury

[jolly sierra]

do u imagine an outlaw with 2 gigantic swords?

[gleaming pawn]

Kick/Kidney and Step are weird with GCD and timing and the kick/kidney shot try to fire at the same time that you are stepping. So with higher MS and all around lag your kick/kidney will get triggered before you’re in range of your focus target requiring you to have to push the macro twice to actually perform the second action

[hidden dome]

I am running double legion thunderfury

no need to imagine

[willow valley]

how do u get it?

[boreal shale]

raid

drops off fyrakk

[jolly sierra]

raid

fkn fyrakk

i have some friends

looking for it

never dropped for them

i was just lucky xd

[willow valley]

oh right

[willow valley]

xd

[boreal shale]

what's weird is it used to work 100% of the time for me

then around last week it bricked

[hidden dome]

I don't want to spread rumors

[boreal shale]

i didn't change anything in the macro or settings/addons

[hidden dome]

but I feel it might be just server lag

since servers are just absolute dogshit lately

[gleaming pawn]

I can’t say for certain on how ping works in arena lobbies because I’ve never looked into it, but if it’s like other aspects of the game like M+ or Raid, your arena instance can be in a different region or even just timezone effecting your overall ping to the server which would brick such macros

[boreal shale]

i didn't change anything and it just recently bricked so i wouldn't say it's too far to think something changed blizzard side

[hidden dome]

Just hit 1.6 with Ret. Once I get 1.8 what should I play next? Druid, DK or Evoker? (I won't play hunter or warri as their sets suck)

[surreal barn]

Devastation is in a good spot

Plus it’s a noob killer

[tribal badger]

their 1.8 mog is kinda ass but its a fun spec yea

dk is also a banger

[languid ravine]

my enemy team is 8 players defending the SLOWEST mine cart like their lives depend on it

guess I ll take that freewin but zzzz

[jolly sierra]

i rlly hate how evokers displays their xmogs

just shoulders and belts

xd

[tribal badger]

yup

its pretty sad

[surreal barn]

You don’t really roll a voker for the mog I guess

Have to just accept they are practically naked unless in humanoid form

Would have been cool if they only went into dragon form on certain big attacks

[jolly sierra]

ye

agree

like worgens

imagine infiltrate as human

and turn worgen at will

instead auto turning in combat

[surreal barn]

ya

[clever elk]

Here’s my armory: would you guys change the belt? https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/blackrock/enxia/pvp

[hidden dome]

That didn't take long. Elite #8

First Season Ret and still took me barely 60 games

Ret is busted

Or maybe inflation is just very high again

Starting to look good

Druid heal or Devi Invoker next, depending on what my friend wants to play

[jolly sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC63F1g0fBc

look from classic

another lock kidnapped a demon player and leashed him

[hidden dome]

Boring. Should've changed it to 1 hour just to mess with warlocks.

[jolly sierra]

ye lol

at least we knew they were able to kidnap each other

[hidden dome]

In BfA Outlaws had Bribe, which controlled a humanoid target for 5 mins.

They should bring that back

and make it work on other players

and make it work in Arena

"Oh nice DH you have there. Mind if I take it?"

[jolly sierra]

would be funny af

or bringing a warrior

so u leash him lol

speaking about warriors

the tank from LFR almost fucked me again my Q time by pulling the boss when i needed to cast the lego iten on him before combat

so i binded it to the bar and spammed it before triggering combat

close enough

[gleaming pawn]

holy fuck, the brain dead morons in blitz just boggles my mind

[mortal jay]

yay

i cracked 1900 .. 50 more points and i can retire from wow knowing I reached the pak of my abilities despite being older than sin

[fiery gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7VYsP0p3sU

Was this my fault ?

[sturdy canopy]

Potentially could have peeled, feel like rouge mage would be better as sub tho, mage should have had ice block tho so not sure why he died there

[minor cape]

just normal devoker match

easy to miscalculate his damage

🤪

[fiery gorge]

sub ?

I played sub

the pistol macros are just target focus keys lul

sinister strike image too

[minor cape]

yeah there was a moment you could stun already tho

and go

🤔

[sturdy canopy]

Ah confusing ass macro 💀

[minor cape]

nvm, dance cd

[sturdy canopy]

Could potentially have done a vanish go, but think it was more an issue on the mages side for sure

[boreal shale]

Opener was very messy too

[tawny kestrel]

if u want free 2.1 just play assa

assa is actually so fking cracked

[minor cape]

i feel like sub 2s is actually a way to punish yourself

[boreal shale]

Would be better if you sap kill target > cs healer > cs kill target > mage poly healer

Blind on healer trinket

[minor cape]

that is da wae

maybe like 3 polys actually

[boreal shale]

Your mage trolled, could've alter timed way earlier

Instead he held it for next game

[minor cape]

well imagine having one more stack

free win!

[boreal shale]

Subt 2s is still really strong but outlaw is just better and easier

[minor cape]

idk, it is not really playable with healers other than disc

and it's hard to lfg a certain healer

[boreal shale]

Subt mage is strong

[minor cape]

😳

[boreal shale]

I play holy subt, it's still fine to play

[minor cape]

is it? i haven't played half a year so idk what's up now

holy priest or pala?

[boreal shale]

Priest

[minor cape]

holy's dmg is enough?

[boreal shale]

Yeah

[minor cape]

sick

[boreal shale]

Disc is better but my duo hates ss3 disc despite being a disc main for like 2 expansions now

Says it's boring as shit

He just seems to be playing whatever spec of heal priest is worse atm

[minor cape]

like last time i played RM was allright in 2s, but situations where you just lack a little bit of damage were so fucking infuriating

and they happened a lot

is it better now?

[boreal shale]

rm you just have to play perfectly according to script

else you lose

[minor cape]

well at that time

script didn't work

could have done everything very well and dude just survives low hp and we don't have shit

😦

[boreal shale]

it's strong but it's really easy to lose

[minor cape]

it just felt like you could be outzugged no matter what

in 2s

not talking 3s ofc

[boreal shale]

depends on if your mage can take heat

[minor cape]

the guy i played with was a very good mage

[boreal shale]

the mage i'm playing with doesn't seem to care if there's a dh nutting on him

[minor cape]

much better than i am rogue

xd

also, i'm lfg sometimes, and lfg rm is hell

lol

[boreal shale]

i never lfg

[minor cape]

lfg dh heal is ok

for example

or lfg warrior heal

[boreal shale]

i only play with people i've talked to and is actually fun to play with

not sure, i only play rogue

[minor cape]

having friends is op

[minor cape]

same

lol

[boreal shale]

i mean if you zug then doesn't really matter if you're lfg ig

but you can't coordinate a rm go off voice unless you know the person really well

[surreal barn]

It is actually insane the damage I’ve been pulling

I didn’t think I’d be pveing this ssn but here we are

[sturdy canopy]

Aoe assassin build lowkey goated in solo shuffle, unless you get trained by a melee cleave the whole game

[surreal barn]

Melee cleave is even fine tbh. I’d rather them stick on top of me

[sturdy canopy]

When you get a sp as a teammate the round feels like a free win

[surreal barn]

Or afflic lock

[steel scarab]

I had a ret pally and a havoc

I went 1-5 lol

Just felt absolutely impossible

[fiery gorge]

its the funny macro

its just target arena1-2-3

[surreal barn]

Who was on your team

[steel scarab]

Survival hunter

Healers were disc priest and resto druid

[languid ravine]

-play Assa for the first time in one month
-first guy I deathmark is a Dark Iron Dwarf

[surreal barn]

Was hoping you’d say that

This lobby I had a 5-1 and pally was the target both times but healer also viable

You play on healer

[tawny kestrel]

deathmark is basically irrelevant

just dont press it if its gonna get removed

[languid ravine]

well thats how I found it was a DIDwarf

[rigid knot]

Dwarf op

Citygankrr life

[jolly sierra]

at least we have KB now

[surreal barn]

My wife wants to know why I bought a baby monitor on Amazon

Queue times

[jolly sierra]

makes sense

[boreal shale]

i'd rather tell her i have a baby with my side chick than admitting i'm a shuffle player

[jolly sierra]

im hardstuck with fucking lego quest

went to volcross and its bugged af

ill try again a third time

[hidden dome]

I think it would be faster to just teach your wife how to play arena and play 2s than to actually wait for a single solo shuffle round as a dps

[surreal barn]

Man idk why I just really don’t enjoy coordinated 2s

[boreal shale]

man wants to zug

[surreal barn]

Rogue mage is great

But no way my wife could play mage

X/healer vs x/healer is a snoozefest

[boreal shale]

subt healer is actually pretty comfy

your damage is pretty scary if you set up correctly and extending goes with bomb or duel can net you some fast wins

not sure how dampeny ass healer is tho

[jolly sierra]

just finished, now ill exorcise this fkn wep

will show u the wep after i do it

[gleaming pawn]

Play Rogue/Ret, just bad enough to be interesting but not so bad you can’t take it to 2.1k

[jolly sierra]

ret is a very good support and can work, ye

[surreal barn]

That actually sounds kinda fun

I bet she could play ret 😂

[jolly sierra]

its good to start why not lol

try getting her an axe

KEK

[jolly sierra]

it belongs to me

[tribal badger]

Gz

[jolly sierra]

thank you

im testing it rn

alright i need to do a cancelaura macro

cuz the wep casts and doesnt let do me anything in charge

doesnt works, gotcha

u can cast stuff in the run

but not in the thrashing

[tribal badger]

yea u cant skip it

(then it might be good)

it locks u into the animation

[jolly sierra]

yep

but nice to know

ill use it for cut distance w target tho

when horse is on cd

[hidden dome]

GZ, you finally have it

[surreal barn]

Niiiice. How hard does it hit

[hidden dome]

I wish they made Legendary Weapons larger. I always loved thunderfury for it's stupid size. I wish the fyraak axe would just be 1.5 times as large.

speaking of weapons, anyone here has the 2.1er enchant yet? I want to see how it looks on the legion thunderfury skin

[jolly sierra]

ye, at last

[jolly sierra]

it hits like 70k in the charge and the dot does a lot of overall dmg for a short match

lemme ee

see

difference per autoattack are like 3k+ inflicted damage compared to 489 weps

this is against another ret, he bubbled and shit

[hidden dome]

That is actually not bad

[surreal barn]

Damn

Go get em

[lavish idol]

Guys, I totally didn't pvp for months. Gonna get back into it. What's good for solo shuffle atm?

[tribal badger]

outlaw and sub both work, most are playing outlaw rn

sin also works its just a bit rougher into high melee lobbies

[lavish idol]

for sure not pushing high, maybe 1.8

[tribal badger]

i mean high like large amount of melee sorry

sin takes the most damage/is the easiest rogue spec to train so it can be a bit rough if you get double dh or 3X melee lobbies

[lavish idol]

sounds fun

[tribal badger]

it does great pressure and can easily overwhelm healers in lower rated lobbies tho

id say double dh lobbies should be rare but currently about half my shuffles at 2400 rating are double dh 🙂

i have no idea what its like lower but i can only imagine its as bad or worse

[lavish idol]

might be nice to try outlaw actually, didn't pvp as that for s lomng

[tribal badger]

yea outlaws fun and pretty good rn

[jolly sierra]

gotta push, but need at least 35% vers tho, im at 31

[jolly sierra]

alright balanced them better

maybe should force that 1%?

[surreal barn]

I don’t think that will make it or break it

[jolly sierra]

seems like vanguardz goes full vers

so ill do the same where is possible (gems, bracers and enchants)

[nova viper]

Majoras

esta paligroso

que pasa

[jolly sierra]

lego wep

finally

https://tenor.com/view/60fps-dance-skeleton-puppet-happy-gif-6256130296425989594

[nova viper]

gz

[jolly sierra]

ty ty

[steel scarab]

Question, how do my fellow assassins survive when two melee are focusing you? Like all the highest rated assassins use 30% versatility or less. I've tried high versatility builds (40%) but then the build just has absolutely no killing power

Do we just ALWAYS need to end the match fast or we just lose?

[jolly sierra]

shadowstepping to the healer

or their healer

shiv a lot

feint

always feint

if u are using elusiveness

[steel scarab]

Yeah, I gotta swap back to Elusiveness

I just can't stay alive without it

[languid ravine]

sometimes everyone in your lobby is terribad at the game and you go 0-6 because of it and thats life

[steel scarab]

Can you really blame it on that though? I mean surely, if everyone's bad, they aren't winning more matches than us. If I go 0-6, either I am playing horribly or our class is bad

[languid ravine]

yes actually

it definetly isnt shadow priests fault that those 5 people are terribad at the game

how does a spec make people terribad at the game idk

[steel scarab]

But like, if a DH goes 6-0, I would argue that either his class is just clearly better than ours, or I played very poorly

If I went 0-6

[languid ravine]

its slightly different but same because sometimes everyone is terribad and thats why the DH goes 6-0

lel

[steel scarab]

Lol

I think it's just, DH has a REALLY high skill floor. Like, even the really bad players still do outrageous damage just by mashing their rotation.

It's wild to me that they can kill me in a single stun but rogues don't have that kind of burst killing power capability

[languid ravine]

I think DH doesnt do anything extreme, but it does too many things at the same time well enough

like yea you do near unhealable damage AND stun immunites AND damage spikes AND dispels AND massive selfheal

[steel scarab]

If I play against a bad warlock, I can feel it. If I play against a bad hunter, I can feel it. I feel like I have NEVER played against a "bad" Demon Hunter. It's always the same. Mega zug, huge damage output, flying all over the place

[languid ravine]

other classes you pick two of those

and be happy with it

[steel scarab]

Right. Like I don't understand how a class with such high sustained damage output AND high burst AND high mobility AND dispels AND self healing also needed stun immunity AND the ability to see through stealth

It basically just invalidates our entire class lol

[languid ravine]

AND solid CC

[steel scarab]

Right. Their sap is so strong

[languid ravine]

AND usable range abilities

thats how you can tell a stupid DH btw if he focuses the lock for the entire game while everyone else is vulnerable AND out of position AND..

[steel scarab]

In a match where you're uncoordinated (solo shuffle), there is just literally no reason to play a rogue over a DH

Other than, I don't feel like rerolling

I lost 150 points last night to back to back DH matches

I was just like, okay, I'm done for today

[surreal barn]

Idk man I like it when everyone sucks

They all stand on top of each other like morons

[steel scarab]

True lol

But when they don't, man the spec feels bad

My one game the priest says "hey you need to multidot all the targets"

Hey thanks man, I'd definitely be doing that if they weren't all 40 yards apart from each other

[jolly sierra]

gotta play rog after so much time

hope can do something

kek

popped insta

[surreal barn]

Healers often get a better perspective of our mess ups

We can deal with them spread out it’s just harder

Like, if you are facing someone you can chase then the melee will also be on you if you’re the kill tar

If its two ranged and you’re playing low MMR tell the team to hump pillar all game to make them come

Hard lobby for me was Hunter/Destro 🤦‍♂️

[south flame]

Hi i'm learning pvp with my outlaw and we are stuck at 1650-1700 points in 2v2 with my friend's playing holy priest. Some matchups are particularly hard for us (affliction, BM, Rdrood, War Arm), do you have some advices for me ?

[orchid river]

Did 10.2.5 launch today ?

[lapis plank]

For outlaw PVP do we use 2 splitters or a dagger in off hand?

[willow valley]

i use axe and a dagger

but idk

[lapis plank]

right on, I may give that a try!

[jolly sierra]

nah endurance is disgusting

pre fix

gotta shove the rog for now

ended like this

[south flame]

In PVE we use daggers in off hand sometimes because it better apply poisons

SO I guess in PVP it folow the same logic

[lapis plank]

thank you!

[south flame]

atm i play with a dagger, i saw that most players play like this

[lavish idol]

outlaw in solo shuffle, are you meant to blow vanish to generate BTE dmg or save it still if you need it

I feel like I'm in pve mode

[languid ravine]

definitely blow up everything get that engine roaring

[lavish idol]

and if the healer asks why you didn't vanish, you quietly dismiss him?

[tribal badger]

well if ur being forced to play defensivly u can have it ready

its only a ~30s cd for outlaw so its up quite often

[lavish idol]

True, think I've been a bit unlucky

pop the cds and stuck in stuns and general pain

[willow valley]

if u make a lot of damage with dispatch and manage ur cp correctly

u can have vanish in 30 sec perfectly

so yeah

spam it whenever u can

im not saying that u need to spam the vanish button like a maniac

but if u have the opportunity to deal damage with BtE and u dont want to use/u dont have dance, vanish is great

and like i said, dont worry if u need it for other things like escaping from a pair of enemies, u can have vanish every 30-40 sec

[gleaming pawn]

Sadly if you’re not vanishing almost on CD for crackshot, you’re not doing enough damage to pressure the enemy team

It’s core to the spec doing damage, as stupid as that is

[willow valley]

but u also need to know when to push and when to stay away

cuz if u use vanish for those BtE shots but the enemy healer is out of cc, or he has defensives, or inmunities, hp regen... and more

well, that damage its a little bit useless

[lavish idol]

yep, some games it lines up perfectly but right now just trying to create those opportunites. I find it a lot harder not sub though

the lower levels weirdly feel harder than where I was as sub around 1600

but likely cos just not used to outlaw in solo yet

[hexed pollen]

is this alot of bgs or just like average?

[pine badge]

hey all - am new here. been playing rogue since cata, haven't picked it up since then. a lot has changed. any advice for a sub pvp rogue with honor gear?

[hexed pollen]

try to get this mount XD

[pine badge]

is this the prestigious bronze courser?

[languid ravine]

my battlegrounds stats is 719 played and 406 won, so 8000 that seems insane to me because I ve been around in Azeroth

[hexed pollen]

no its the 500 honor level one

[stoic spruce]

It comes back in 45 seconds

Ish

Really depends on rng and uptime

[hexed pollen]

so i should go touch grass then?

i do other content too

[pine badge]

YO NICE

caps

[jolly sierra]

already have it

[hexed pollen]

i figured you did but wut is your bg count at?

[jolly sierra]

less than u expect

i gathered a lot from legion

[hexed pollen]

assa rogue so fun in bgs lol

[pine badge]

yo is assa the best pvp spec rn?

[languid ravine]

yea probably :^)

[pine badge]

dmg output wise

[tawny kestrel]

yes

[hexed pollen]

for bgs yes, arena i feel squishy ah

[pine badge]

damn, kk. is sub best for arenas?

[pine badge]

thanks mate

[hexed pollen]

think outlaw is bis rn

[pine badge]

damn, sub is subpar

[hexed pollen]

sub always good tho, if your good at it

[pine badge]

trying to learn sub, keep getting caught between 'playing the class' (stunning the healer, isolating the healer, etc.) and going for dmg and being a pest

[hexed pollen]

feels like every class knows subs tricks so get stunned out during burst window

a free opener on sub will kill just about anyone

[pine badge]

gear is important hey

[hexed pollen]

yeah of course, its wow

1% damage per ilvl

[pine badge]

fair. am playing with full honor so am still wondering why dmg output is low

but the answer is in the quesiton

[hexed pollen]

i always work towards my kill condition, wut rotation secures a kill, then go from there

as a sub if you dont kill you run and thats no fun

[pine badge]

yeah that's fair. i don't mind the running and coming back to attack again

[hexed pollen]

i have def run circles around pillars till cds come back

[pine badge]

yeah

that's the case hey

is assa and outlaw better when unstealthed?

i found a sub build on icy veins that gives me buttons to spam and deals dmg so i'm comfy with it, just hoping gear is the reason the output is low

[hexed pollen]

qwuicker cds for outlaw and bleeds for assa if you get stunned

[pine badge]

yea that;s what i thought, is it talent based? how quick can you pop a blind?

[jolly bear]

I just like to cause trouble

[jolly sierra]

oh boi

they hate us above

last time was a fkn disaster here

[jolly bear]

they were crying about DH getting nerfed in PvE because of PvP

[jolly sierra]

HAHAHAHHA

like pvp does matter for pve

[surreal barn]

And they gon get nerfed again

😂

Oh no guys! It’s gonna take an extra second to down the boss!

[jolly sierra]

XDDDD

dont get why they call us toddler

if literal PvP is harder than pve overall

in lower diffs

[surreal barn]

It’s like

Watching the same movie … every 👏 single 👏 week 👏

[jolly sierra]

like talking to that annoying coworker

every single week

[boreal shale]

even at full gear you won't do as much overall damage as other classes, but it doesn't matter at all. Only damage during goes count, and if you can't force cooldowns on goes something is lacking

dps meter is one of the most useless things to look at in pvp, especially as a subt

it's perfectly possible to get 1.8 with full honor so while gear is a big factor it probably isn't the sole reason you're losing

[pine badge]

thanks for the info mate, this helps. what is 'goes'?

[pine badge]

this is useful for me. what are the parameters which determins a rogue successful if it isn't damage? i understand cc'ing and whatnot - but in a 1v1, i assume it comes down to use of abilities + gear hey?

[boreal shale]

goes are windows where a team coordinate ccs and offensive cds to do as much dmg as possible. Every comp has a go, but it's especially obvious with subt

[pine badge]

noted. i have noticed this in pvp - i.e., when is optimal for me to pop cc's and whatnot. i understand i have to chain them? is it cheap shot > kidney shot > etc.?

[boreal shale]

the most important thing is damage during your go, starting with the enemy healer in cc. The more defensive cooldowns you can force out of your opponents the better. Your win condition is when they don't have enough defensives to survive your go, so the biggest buttons you can win are trinkets and cds they can press during stun

[boreal shale]

on kill target, every go you want to do either 3x cheap shot or kidney 2x cheap shot

and the healer MUST be in cc during your go

how you cc the healer depends on your comp

[pine badge]

damn, ok. do cheap shot and kidney shot share a diminishing return?

[boreal shale]

yes

never kidney on someone with stun DR unless it guarantees you a win

[jolly sierra]

got a match w another assa

ended 3-3 and he 2-4

the problem was a guy

a fury warr

fuck

and fkn aff doing like 96k per match

[worthy crag]

so uh, we are like 4 weeks in with no tuning changes?

or 3 I think

[boreal shale]

god forbid they nerf dh before next expansion

it's so balanced and fun to play against

[willow valley]

ye

outlaw its not difficult

but it takes time to understand how to use it

thats what happened to me

and now, now i got back to sub

[boreal shale]

you should've seen the people on reddit talking about outlaw

they unironically think outlaw is hard cz "hIgH aPm"

[willow valley]

[pine badge]

yo, i know the meta for pvp talents is shadowy duel and smoke bomb - anyone use talents other than these? or are these the ride or die for pvp? have found they're better in arenas to isolate, but still learning. any thoughts?

am more attracted to using dismantle in pvp (especially bg's) for self preservation and whatnot

[pale storm]

I think that smoke bomb and shadowy duel are two of the most unique and interesting abilities a rogue has. Shadowy duel is definitely one of the most oppressive abilities, it especially was when we actually did dam in our goes. Both can be used to land kills, or used to CC healer, give your team enough time to secure a kill, LoS a heal, can use bomb after a blind or another cc to give more time for the enemy to be out of combat for a sap etc can be used in BGs in really fun ways too

[pine badge]

yep, agreed. am starting to play around with them to figure out the best time to pop them (increasing team awareness, goes, etc.) as well. do you think the dam output suffers by not choosing these? i suppose it would be utility output suffers in exchange for other pvp talents. but are there any others worth choosing?

[willow valley]

smoke and shadowy are mostly to cut the healing the enemy recieves from his healer in arenas OR bgs too

so yeah, they are pretty good

but u can use other talents too

[pale storm]

It all depends on the enemy team comp, your team comp, what type of match (2s/3s/SS/rbg) etc but the cloak talent is really useful, disarm is good, I usually run shadowy duel, then switch between bomb/cloak/disarm depending - just play around with them, see what you like, learn to use optimally

[willow valley]

yeah+

[sick wasp]

duel is just too strong

[willow valley]

if the enemy comp doesnt have healer (talking about 2v) u can also use smoke to break the enemy go when they are going to try to kill u

u just have to enter and get out of the smoke

so the other guy doesnt touch u that much

[sick wasp]

most of the times in rated pvp(arenas) eveyrone is going for the ''isolate''.U cross cc stuff to play 1 vs many

duel is a unique way to go 1v1 to fisnish something

if not deny heals

[pale storm]

Yeah, at first duel was a little daunting for me, I never knew when to press and would often go games without pressing it. So I just started spamming skirmishes and practicing and it’s honestly one of the most fun and powerful tools we have and a big reason why sub has been so dominant

[willow valley]

i dont use duel that much, but i use it when the enemy is half hp and i can deal a ton of damage

so the healer doesnt heal him

[sick wasp]

u should

duel is very powerful

[willow valley]

but apart from that, idk what to use it for

[pale storm]

It’s so insane at lower eating too because people just throw their trinkets so second DRs you can easily score a kill. I’ve gotten o many kills in lower brackets by just dueling the opener lol

[sick wasp]

there is also the case where u duel the healer

[pale storm]

Enemy has no defensives, or no trinket and is off stun DR, you can’t get AoE feared and enemy is lower health, you have blades, duel, stun kill

[sick wasp]

and let others finish off a low hp target

[willow valley]

thats a good one too

didnt think about that

[sick wasp]

thats why sub is so extreme in pvp

[pale storm]

Yeah, in RMP you often duel healer after long cc chains, just adds more time of kill target not being healed

[sick wasp]

has alot of stuff to do that are completely unpredictable

yup i do some rmp 😛

that works alot better if u have a target thats on full drs,u duel the healer,put him on a blind/stun or something that will apply so much pressure

or even let ppl die

its very powerful in shuffles

most cases

coz ppl just run down and mongol things

[boreal shale]

i run duel always, cloak into melee, disarm into DH/ret/warrior or double dps, bomb into double caster

if you have a free slot run sprint or step talent, your choice

i especially like dueling into monk, if they're low-ish after a go you can duel then cloak karma for easy kill

[jolly sierra]

alright today isnt my day

0-6 and 2-4

2-4 match was w ret w 3 locks in mugambala

OOF

[spring bough]

10/100 round wins on my way to verdant legend but god damn it feels like itll never happen lmao

how long until the next season? lmao

[pine badge]

melted some hunters in gilneas - the pounce is incredible

after turtle and trinket they're pretty free game

[jolly sierra]

like 2 months

ill try again after work

but damn, feel isnt my day

[surreal barn]

Oof 😅 why isn’t it 50

Is each shuffle 6 rounds?

[surreal barn]

I find if you lower your mmr enough you can get two to three 6-0s in a row 😂

[tribal badger]

yea its 100 wins im pretty sure

each round being 1/100

so 6 oppurtunities per shuffly

100 shuffles would be like, 75% of the season of queuing for a dps to complete

that wouldnt be very fair

[spring bough]

yeah it is lmao. so thats 90 rounds / 6 rounds per que = 15 ques if you went 6-0

in reality probably gonna take like 30ish lmao

[surreal barn]

Not so bad

[spring bough]

just gotta stay above 2400 thats the hard part lmao

[surreal barn]

ez

Use the new tech macro

[jolly sierra]

i dont wanna tempt my luck

[spring bough]

im about to try it lol

[jolly sierra]

hope can win 4 a lot later

[spring bough]

yeah this macro is broken

if you change it from cursor to player for the grap hook, you can step to and kick the healer and grapple right back to where u were without using the cursor

it happens so fast lmao i cant believe i didnt know about this until you linked it

i just made one and swapped kick for kidney shot too LOL

[surreal barn]

lol

[tribal badger]

yea i use it with @player

i could see why some people would want @cursor

its just funny because the macro showcased in that video is even less thoughtless then the @player one since at least the rogue is aiming their cursor before they step kick you

@player just yanks you right back to where u stepped from instantly

i also love the "i dont know if this macro is good because its usuing all ur mobility at once just to get a kick"

brother grapple is a 5 second cd when ur training a target

people really dont think outlaw cdr be like it do

[narrow tangle]

why half of outlaws run dagger OH

[sharp sierra]

killingspree?

and for the poison proc chance

[tribal badger]

Because there no reason not to

It has crit vers and is equal to slightly better then a slow oh

[worthy crag]

so even outlaw doesnt gem and enchant EVERYTHING for crit?

seems like alot of armories are going for around 29~31% crit

and rest on mastery

[tribal badger]

Uh

U can do either

Wouldn't go too far past 40% crit tho

[willow valley]

ye

[tribal badger]

At that point bte starts capping out with rtb crit roll

[willow valley]

i have 30 crit, thats enough

[tribal badger]

It's rlly either u go all vers or mastery after vers and crit hit like 30%

Personally I'd always go full vers as law but

Damage seems fine either way

I think damage is at minimum the same with full vers and u get an additional 10% dr from going full vers so

🤷

[spring bough]

im rocking 45crit/28mast/41vers right now and its pretty nice

[jolly sierra]

1800-2099 CR

2100-2399 CR

this in EU

i dont wanna mind how is in NA

[surreal barn]

Let’s see the na

What site

Ah. Drust.

2100+

[jolly sierra]

bruh

nerf DH

[willow valley]

💀

bro theres dh everywhere

and then theres a lot of people saying rogue is broken

[worthy crag]

lmao when a DH is hitting someone else the entire game, decides to tab target me for 3 seconds and i drop to 15%

[lucid citrus]

People just dont like being oneshot from being a full stun lol

[languid ravine]

-play Devoker for 10 minutes
-half of my battlegrounds teams damage was me

HALF OF IT

[jolly sierra]

a DH was complaining a couple of days ago he was unable to win without pulling 100k dps in a round

[languid ravine]

whats the problem? just press blade dance to accomplish that lul

oh I just realized I didnt even have any Pvp talents on the devoker kek

guess there isnt any damage there anyways

[jolly sierra]

oof

god dammit idk how blizz balance recent hero classes but its a mess

[languid ravine]

whats really sad about devoker is you got a really cool class tree and fantasy and the charge up and hover mechanics are great

but then you press disintegrate for 5 times in a row I mean come on what is this

seems like everything is passive bonuses no synergies

[willow valley]

nooo

my wa broke

😭

[narrow tangle]

i dont know how crit vers affects slower/faster oh, so it doesnt matter much?

[gleaming pawn]

Killing Spree is normalized so your offhand weapon damage doesn't matter, energy procs from your offhand attacks are normalized so offhand weapon doesn't matter. The only thing that is effected by your offhand choice is poison procs, and a faster weapon procs more poisons making a dagger the only choice that makes any sense

people that choose a slow offhand as Outlaw either don't understand how the spec works, or are broke af and don't have conq to purchase the proper weapon

[tribal badger]

Crit vers r good stats for outlaw

I'm saying it has good stats and a dagger is very slightly better due to poison procs so there's no reason not to go it as law

[jolly sierra]

dat playstyle

[narrow path]

Does anyone know why high end PvPers are using cheat death instead of elusiveness? Sorry if this question has been asked before

[languid ravine]

I think in a nutshell it is that cheat death can win games and elusiveness can only stop you from losing games

and rogue doesnt usually die from like consistent damage but rather in stunlock combos and is most of the time not even a good target

[stoic spruce]

Or don't care since the difference is negligible

I can't mog dagger into dreadblade >:(

[jolly sierra]

u can if u chose artifact tho

[stoic spruce]

Okay but I mix and match them

I got a purple and blue vibe going atm

I wish I could share

[willow valley]

boys

brothers

my lovely fellows

i need an aoe build for outlaw

[languid ravine]

here it comes

[willow valley]

pls

uwu

[stoic spruce]

Aoe build for outlaw lol

[willow valley]

idk if thats even a thing

but im not playing assa

nuh uh

[stoic spruce]

In a purely technical way, sure

[languid ravine]

literally press blade flurry mate

[willow valley]

and i heard that outlaw can do aoe damage

[willow valley]

rlly?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah the aoe build is just the extra BF talents lol

Yes

[willow valley]

oh

but

what should i do

[stoic spruce]

Bo

No

[stoic spruce]

Press blade flurry

[willow valley]

:c

[willow valley]

but

do i need to change talents?

[jolly sierra]

F

[stoic spruce]

Yes. Literally just press bf

[stoic spruce]

F to my colors?

[willow valley]

and is this ok?

[stoic spruce]

I'll stab you with my purple sword and then blue

[willow valley]

or what should i change

bro pls tell me 😭

i need this for rbg

[stoic spruce]

Sometimes, the answer is literally so simple

But people don't understand

I guess find a way to fit GSW in

Idk how I'm about to start driving

I need new spark plugs

Rip

[willow valley]

idk how 💀

i think this is good

it is, right?

[lucid citrus]

The only thing you need to change is go from outlaw to either sub/assa for RBG’s lol

[willow valley]

i want to play outlaw for aoe in rbgs

but i dont want to play assa

[languid ravine]

dont drop the "5% stamina" please

it is actually 45% in pvp

[willow valley]

yeah bro but idk what to do 😭

and mr.popopants didnt help me

[lucid citrus]

You don’t really be in team fights as outlaw too

[willow valley]

better?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[willow valley]

ok fuck it then

im playing assa

[languid ravine]

also that lowest blade flurry talent is actually a 2-3 target cleave talent and does nothing if you are near 5 people

[willow valley]

gimme a great build ma boy

pls

🥺

[gleaming pawn]

just press blade flurry

[willow valley]

nah

now i want to play assa

i changed mentallity

@jolly sierra ur build is for aoe or single target?

wait, i have a better question

how tf does assa work

[gleaming pawn]

do you have the gear to run assa?

[willow valley]

i have no idea

[willow valley]

i have no idea

a

[narrow tangle]

thanks for explanation

[hexed pollen]

need some haste for assa lmao

[mortal jay]

its hard not to yell at teammates https://gyazo.com/659ff364fc57827ae738c60c1899f178

[mortal jay]

no you dont

if you mean for faster melee... thats.. silly. if you mean for energy regeneration, if you are playing assassination correctly, venemous wounds will never let you run out of energy

[languid ravine]

MY EYES PUT IT AWAY

this is physical assault

[mortal jay]

it makes me look a little better because orb carriers take additional damage

but still.. team was very heavy.. and I need a chiropracter

[languid ravine]

and rogues are stealthy I get it

BUT MY EYES

[mortal jay]

in that bg I do nothing but stealth to orb, burst and usually get 1 if not 2.

then immediately die

lol

6 enemy teammates seeing how many stuns they can overlap

my teammates chasing each others tails around the outside

but yeahhh.. other fella up there.. there is nothing about haste that make it weigh enough to justify it over another piece

https://gyazo.com/f5c19d3dc87c390cbbf8ab01539527f9 is me atm outside of pvp and in ...more or less.. bis

[spring bough]

156k dps in one round LMAO

[potent pivot]

haste also causes DoTs to tick faster

though the past few seasons that has typically been outshown by mastery

[jolly sierra]

u dot

u kidney and deathmark in a window

[mortal jay]

that was kinda my point.. there is no piece of haste that validates itself as being a better choice than the mastery counterpart

[jolly sierra]

u kidney and kingsbane w shadow dance in other one

ez thro

[hidden dome]

How can it be that I never play against Arms Warriors when I place specs that crush them. And have them be 80% of my enemies when I play specs that get crushed by them.

[mortal jay]

never kingsbane outside of dance 🙂

[hidden dome]

I swear some blizz dev is matchfixing against me 😦

[mortal jay]

never kingsbane without a shiv and a tea first

i have a kingsbane macro to dance > tea > shiv > kings

highest was 600k .. i'm sure it was on a dude with no versa.. but average is 250 to 350k 🙂

i usually use my dance kb window to reapply dots to my kill target to get the improved garrote and use that opportunity to deathmark the improved versions

then I die

and drop from 1910 to 1720 and give up wow forever.. so ignore my advice

[jolly sierra]

nah

just go outlaw

assa is for the tryharders

[mortal jay]

1.. i'm too old

2. i'm too stupid.. outlaw requires a bit of skill.. assa doesnt really

3. nah

[jolly sierra]

idk im shoving the rog for now

[surreal barn]

Assa is op rn tbh

Under the radar

[jolly sierra]

no when DH is up in the lobby

god dammit fkn dhs

[hidden dome]

The fact that DH is still unnerfed this late in the season is honestly an insult

I mean they were nerfed, but just way too little

[jolly sierra]

yep

by a lot

if is fkn S tier

still dont get how we dont get a tuning wave yet

[surreal barn]

Is there gonna be a next pvp season

Or is it too dead

[gleaming pawn]

There will be a 4th season

Don’t expect much tuning though

[pine badge]

end april?

[gleaming pawn]

There wasn’t much in SL s4 either

[surreal barn]

Feels ☠️

[gleaming pawn]

Something like that, I don’t remember if the timeline had a specific release date for s4 or just “Spring”

[pine badge]

yep, fair enough

[jolly sierra]

managed to win w monk and got back the 1k8

ret won a match too

can sleep in peace

fyralakk is good af with the charge

but never use it when u are about to die

[pine badge]

asked earlier about pvp talents - thanks to all who provided a response. haven't played in a while and am glad to hear that pvp talents are situational based on comp and how to use them. am still in the old wow classic days where talents cost to change - i appreciated responses from all.

[gritty bobcat]

guys

what is the opener for asas

lets say its a cloth target

garrote shiv

then?

[coral kettle]

Probably rupture and then assess the situation. Healer cc etc.

[gritty bobcat]

lets say healer is in cc

rupture

then dance kingsbane?

or deathmark before or after kings

then when do u echoing reprimand

this spec has way to much shit

then when do u bonespike lmao

[mortal jay]

i dont run bonespike.. i dont run echoing.. my burst is >dance >tea>shiv> empowered garrote > rupture >kingsbane > deathmark

dunno if that's perfect.. however, I would always always shiv > kingsbane for the bonus nature damage

[coral kettle]

Shiv twice I reckon isn't it? First and last portion ?

[gleaming pawn]

yes, you Shiv before applying KB and then again just as the first Shiv debuff is about to fall so that the entire duration of KB is covered by your Shiv amp

[pine badge]

hey, directed here - why is this the optimal race for rogue for pvp? Alliance - Night Elf > Dwarf/Dark Iron Dwarf > Human

[mortal jay]

night elf over all mainly due to shadowmeld. the synergy it creates with gaining stealth for free and being able to use stealth only abilities, providing a mini burst or option for mini ccs with cheap shot is too valuable to pass up, nevermind the ability to dodge incoming projectiles if you time it correctly.

the other racials are merely bonuses but "increased speed while stealthed" , increased dodge with the quickness racial, increased haste or crit with touch of elune are all useful

[boreal shale]

orc is good for horde too but nelf is best

[pine badge]

can i ask then, for human, would it be appropriate to run with 2 dps trinkets instead of the trinket that frees you from cc's due to the human racial?

[boreal shale]

no

never run pvp without cc break trinket

you're asking to get 1 shot by another rogue

[pine badge]

noted - does that nullify the need for the human racial in that case?

[mortal jay]

the human racial has it's uses but it does not trump the trinket due to the fact the human racial only clears umm.. slows.. and something or other.. it does not clear all cc

[pine badge]

ah, i see

so it isn't really used then

[boreal shale]

it also clears stun, think of it as having 2 trinkets for stuns

[pine badge]

don't the trinket and the racial share the same cooldown?

[sick wasp]

stuns

[boreal shale]

pretty sure no

not 100% tho

[sick wasp]

dude

i play a human rogue

it just removes stuns

[boreal shale]

answering this

[sick wasp]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Will_to_Survive

[boreal shale]

oh it does share cd

[sick wasp]

1min shared

[pine badge]

cool - do you find yourself ever using racial or mostly just trinket?

[sick wasp]

its very complicated,i dont rely on human racial at all unless i que with my team

so they know that my trinket condition is the stun

i just equip the pvp trinket or play my alt rogue

[pine badge]

noted. i am starting to see why nelf is the optimal race for rogue

[sick wasp]

yeah its better all around

unless u into highend pvp where human is stornger into specific stuff

even dwarves are strong

[pine badge]

honestly not looking to get super high end, probably just geared enough to tear up bg's, tbh

will honor dump in s4 and then just casually conquest cap to keep up with tearing up bg's

[sick wasp]

i think NE is the best choice then but if u jsut wanna have fun

u can rly play any race

[boreal shale]

even at rank 1 it's basically just night elf and orc

[pine badge]

used to play goblin rogue, was the most fun, was so small i felt that noone could target me

lol

[sick wasp]

yeah but keep in mind that they race change constantly as the meta shifts

so now it might be NE and orcs after that might be dwarf or tauren as far as we know

[pine badge]

fair enough - not likely for s4 it seems, but maybe for new expansion

[sick wasp]

no one rly knows 😛

[pine badge]

fair enough yeah

what degree of pvp do you play?

[sick wasp]

2.631 was my highest range in 3s iirc but im not competing anymore

did 2.2+ on several rogues,many seasons many xpasions

now im just trolling

[pine badge]

nice dude. u conquest geared n dat ?

[sick wasp]

everyone can friend

u can do that by passively doing dailies and que shuffles

or whatever u enjoy more

mass pvp,brawls

[open compass]

Hey guys quick question. I play outlaw rogue in pvp. But regarding weapons after some research i see some using a fast offhand and others a slow offhand. What is the diffrence and why choose one over the other?

[radiant glen]

faster offhand is more poison procs, slower offhand is less
the only reason to choose a slower offhand would be if the secondary stats or item level were more desirable

[open compass]

Check! Thanks!!

[sturdy canopy]

Huh, you need 0 haste for sin, you go full mastery and then crit being your off stat 💀

[willow valley]

like outlaw right?

50% mastery, 30% crit and 26-28% versa

something like that

maybe 56% mastery

[tribal badger]

u dont need any amount of mastery for law

im running zero rn basically

but yea u dont need any haste

HO build already gives u a fair amount of haste for free anyway and u dont scale well with it

[clever elk]

Outlaw is fun bois!

stats for outlaw

[boreal shale]

your crit is way too high

30-35% is enough

[sturdy canopy]

Just go on murlok i.o and copy and paste whatever gear the big boys a using

[sturdy canopy]

Also gz gl on 2.2