When a lot of cleave like that wins the game SnD isn't SUPER valuable. CPs are best spent in cleave bleeds. Your autoattack damage difference with and without SnD, when not going for a single target at all, isn't that important, and regarding Poison procs the talent Thrown Precision ensures you will have full uptime on everyone around you because it guarantees procs every crit (and you should crit a lot, plus even non crit attacks still have a chance to apply). Then if there is nothing to do, so CT on everyone already, long ruptures on everyone already, everyone on stun DR so no need to kidney, no one very low so no need to envenom, then I use SnD
#pvp
chrome schooner
waxen meteor
When a lot of cleave like that wins the game SnD isn't SUPER valuable. CPs are b...
OK, same as I thought
I personally been using ER because of this lack of CP in heavy cleave situations
So I have more finishers and keep SnD on
I know most people prefers the crit dmg talents, I feel it's also a solid option to move the 2 points to ER
chrome schooner
well lethality is good if you want KB to matter
waxen meteor
well lethality is good if you want KB to matter
i think you don't pick cb, so with dance additonal 30% crit rate, it's like 20% more dmg of like a 50% chance
jolly sierra
shade a question
im still not too used to CT, with how much frequency should i use it?
waxen meteor
basically add 10% expected dmg from KB first hit
I am not sure if it makes KB matters more by a lot mathematically, but maybe i miss some
buoyant crow
It looks spicy I wanna try it out. Bleeds are the dream
chrome schooner
shade a question
im still not too used to CT, with how much frequency should i ...
many things stacked up, you use it. that's it !
chrome schooner
i think you don't pick cb, so with dance additonal 30% crit rate, it's like 20% ...
well yes
but when it happens the target dies, or you force much
of course mathematically overall it's only a little more damage, but it's just that you do a huge hit
lets say you could do 100k dps for 10s, you'd do more damage than 400k dps for 2s
But with 400k dps in 2s you kill the target
waxen meteor
agree with burst dmg that matters part
i just feel overall ER provides you more/longer bleed so you could also spend more finishers
jolly sierra
many things stacked up, you use it. that's it !
understood, thank you 🫡
waxen meteor
and keep SnD all day without much effort, could be also good
like your open with cs + garrot + garrot + kidney
then you can ER to enable group rupture and CT much sooner
surreal barn
I wish indiscriminate carnage lasted 5 more seconds lol
willow valley
thx, but i already took the addon that i already had and changed some settings, it seems like i have to put all the id spells i want to appear on the nameplate manualy, one by one 😭
surreal barn
Or that
waxen meteor
in pve it works weirdo
waxen meteor
i mean even in pve situations
i had to garrote twice/three times to have garrote actually added to all
surreal barn
I’d have gone 5-1 if the Druid didn’t cyclone my deathmark
Hate it when that happens 😆
waxen meteor
95% of time when an average druid tried to cyclon kill target it's a bad move
and they think they are smart
surreal barn
It’s great in organized
waxen meteor
yeah especially when you know it's coming from voice
in solo, lol
you gotta read your teammate like R1 players
surreal barn
So on this last lobby I accidentally DM one target and kingsbaned the other on my open
They both almost died at once lol
Healer didn’t know who to heal
willow valley
yo
idk what to do in arenas when the healer is inmune to cc
what should i do?
cc the other dps?
sturdy canopy
Not cc the healer aye
waxen meteor
idk what to do in arenas when the healer is inmune to cc
zug zug if you are outlaw
sturdy canopy
Basically just Zug, save drs on dps for hard gos or defensively
waxen meteor
especially outlaw you are proably not targetted much
sturdy canopy
Honestly it be like that sometimes
waxen meteor
i just eat all the cc
that's also fine and expected
willow valley
what's wrong
just wanted to confirm
sturdy canopy
It's hard work being the clone eater but someone's gotta do it
waxen meteor
yeah someone will eat them
willow valley
ye
i always say that to my teammates
and they still blame me for not cceing the healer all the time when i play with randoms
waxen meteor
well there are always complicated scenarios
willow valley
and i just say "im eating all the ccs, i wish i had 10 trinkets but i dont"
waxen meteor
you can't cc healer all the time
pvp is about to cc healer at proper time, and deal dmg
waxen meteor
if you only cc you dont win too
sturdy canopy
But aye, there's not much point cc'ing DPS other than the kill target to kill them, or defensively, otherwise you just risk using up drs when you might need them to kill or live, if the healers immune to cc you probably won't be doing a go anyway unless the dps are super far from the healer and you can kidney bomb
willow valley
but good players can also expect when im going to do it and cc me before
sturdy canopy
Better off just focusing on pressure
willow valley
or i just get cced after i cc the healer
waxen meteor
you don't always have that many skills to cc healer
as outlaw probably just gauge/kidney you can use on healer every go
willow valley
But aye, there's not much point cc'ing DPS other than the kill target to kill th...
i cc dps when my teammates need it
waxen meteor
but i am not outlaw player just imganing
willow valley
so they dont eat all the damage
willow valley
as outlaw probably just gauge/kidney you can use on healer every go
vanish cheap is also an option
i have vanish every 30 sec more or less so
sturdy canopy
as outlaw probably just gauge/kidney you can use on healer every go
Most law builds be using dance too so you can follow up with cheaps, blind into saps etc etc
willow valley
ye
but blind into sap its complicated in 3v
unless u blind, vanish, and sap
cuz getting out of combat without using vanish is just imposible
sturdy canopy
All rouge specs have cc for days, we're just limited to drs, it's about working around them that'll get you easy kills
It's why in shuffle I get absolutely tilted when other people use up all my drs and don't even get a cool down for it 😭
waxen meteor
vanish cheap is also an option
could be, but i remember you use vanish for bte mainly?
willow valley
could be, but i remember you use vanish for bte mainly?
if u only focus on the dance+bte window u can use a vanish for other things
using vanish mainly for that its a waste
sturdy canopy
willow valley
getting out of combat and reseting the duel is sometimes a better option
willow valley
could be, but i remember you use vanish for bte mainly?
but u can also cheap + a couple bte so
willow valley
valentine? whats that? (nobody loves me 🥺)
but, are there any special events or something for pvp relationed to the valentine week?
or love week
pr whatever its called
halcyon timber
thx, but i already took the addon that i already had and changed some settings, ...
yep, better to have options than look at random crap other classes do heh. Rogue up!
waxen meteor
I want to play some outlaw soon
but it feels like they will get nerfed very soon too
jolly sierra
play then ASAP
surreal barn
I doubt they get nerfed
Only reason sub got nerfed was bc of pve
They give zero shits
waxen meteor
my head hurt today
gleaming pawn
I don’t know if we’ll see outlaw nerfed this season. Another AWC cup this weekend, then the mid season clash. Outlaw might see some tuning for s4 but its damage done is not the problem at all
waxen meteor
did a 2100 lobby ended up with 33
supposed to be a SP 06, i should get 42
but shammy decided to be one shotted twice as healer
steel scarab
@gleaming pawn Does Restless Blades reduce the cooldown of Kidney Shot?
gleaming pawn
Nope
steel scarab
Gouge? Blind?
gleaming pawn
Nope and nope
steel scarab
Crazy that the spec is as good as it is when RB doesn't reduce those
PvP is just in a really bad place when the PvE sustained damage spec is optimal for arena play
Games are too long, calculated burst isn't rewarded anymore
They've listened to the crying healers way too much that they're basically immortal, and matches have to get to reasonable levels of dampening for anyone to be in actual danger of dying
Plus, even when a healer is CC'ed, crowd control duration is so short and burst damage is so weak, combined with the fact every class has multiple defensive cooldowns, that the first several go's in an arena don't result in a kill unless the target is just braindead
This whole dynamic just sort of makes the first 30 seconds of an arena match feel totally worthless
Just sort of, who is dumb enough to press their defensives when they aren't needed? That team probably loses
gleaming pawn
I get a good laugh at the people calling for nerfs to Outlaw after the AWC. Where Pika did 1/4-1/3 the damage of the rest of the lobby and yet they still won
steel scarab
But even if a player wastes their defensives early, healing is so insanely strong that the healer can still keep a bad player alive
Damage isn't what kills people anymore, which is really, really weird
Basically the only way to kill someone is to 1) burn the personal defensive cooldowns of the target first, and then 2) CC the healer while the defensive cooldowns are on CD
As long as the healer is alive, no amount of damage will out DPS the healer's healing
Which is frankly dumb
It trivializes DPS, basically
The reason Outlaw is so strong, then, is because it's basically Subtlety+
gleaming pawn
If you can kill someone without CCing the healer then it trivializes the healer and they might as well not be there. High level arena has always required you to burn through some defensives including their trinket before you can score a kill
It’s why Rogue/Mage has been so hated for all time
steel scarab
It has almost the same CC capabilities as Subtlety combined with built in cooldown reduction on its defensive cooldowns
gleaming pawn
And being a dps that just falls over randomly because someone else pushed a button doesn’t feel good either
steel scarab
I completely agree, you shouldn't be able to explode people brainlessly, for sure
I just think the base arena UI needs to do a much better job of telling new players which of your opponents' defensives and trinkets are on cooldown.
If this is the way arena is going to be -- super long matches where your kill window is basically inside a short period where your opponent has no trinket and no defensive CD -- the game UI needs to show you the cooldowns
Otherwise, everyone with add ons just has a massive advantage over people who don't have them
halcyon timber
The reason Outlaw is so strong, then, is because it's basically Subtlety+
Outlaw is its own thing, it may use more stealth elements now but it's still Outlaw. A bit exaggeration there man. Agreed with the UI but /shrug. Blizz has compensated people in the past for addons (DBM as an example)
steel scarab
It's wild to me that you can install an add on that tracks, as an example, the cooldown of your opponents' trinkets
halcyon timber
they can restrict api for that but yeah
steel scarab
Like if that's allowed, that should just be part of the base game
steel scarab
@jolly sierra me too
@halcyon timber they either need to restrict API or bake it into the base UI for arena
halcyon timber
<@134060907603951616> they either need to restrict API or bake it into the base ...
agreed , going to take time man
steel scarab
I don't have the add ons, I listen for the trinket sound and I feel out when it seems like people have used their defensives
I am sure if I took the time to configure them
steel scarab
Arena would be 10000x easier
But they need to put everyone on a level playing field I feel
steel scarab
If AWC interface is the best, just bake it into the game, give that to everyone
Yes, that looks absolutely fantastic
Bake it into the base arena UI
halcyon timber
That's a broadcaster view though no?
jolly sierra
ye
halcyon timber
also prefer customizing instead of that. Blizz has stated quite a few times they watch addons but don't shut stuff out completely as it is a "shared world" and they do often compensate those developers for their work pretty well.
The new UI is fine but they are busy with TWW as that will take priority and they have stated several times they are looking to update things (classes / talents / world immersion .. a lot of things are on the to do list)
jolly sierra
hmm
but
what would happen if they shut down WA in arena?
or in pve?
is by far the most used addon in both areas
alongside details
halcyon timber
as far as tracking enemy / boss stuff? that's an API thing they can do and they are already doing that through private auras
in arena they could just make it a private aura and it would negate the enemy tracking
jolly sierra
im curious about what will happen in future
halcyon timber
same time a lot of shit just reads the combat log and that is what makes the announcement through that
restrictions of API most likely
WA are good but I only prefer to watch my stuff because a bar filled with little healer buffs and other stuff isn't coolio, while monitoring your own etc.
If they got really into it, they just make their own WA type stuff that works exactly like that and bam, alternatively could just outsource those guys and say hey.. we gave you boys a lot of dough. Develop this and cut the rest of the crap out. (not going to happen - or not likely) but yeah. TLDR: API restriction is prob what they are going to end up doing (and are currently doing anyway but it's a long landry list). The engineers talk about that type of stuff in the blue posts all the time but people are too busy shidding everywhere.
jolly sierra
heheehehehe
surreal barn
Boom
surreal barn
If they got really into it, they just make their own WA type stuff that works ex...
Maybe this is the surprise from no ptr
halcyon timber
Maybe this is the surprise from no ptr
There is a ptr for 10.2.6 as EP Holly said but they are hiding a bunch of stuff (I think, I didn't get to read much as I was running into class) The more stuff they hide the better, the dataminers kinda blow things for people.
surreal barn
Next patch has none that’s all I know
halcyon timber
Right on good on blizz. It's still an "inbetween" patch so most likely story and the road map stuff as they are preparing for the big one.
I think they were talking about march in the article if i'm not mistaken? which is cool but yeah everyone pump your brakes a bit.
halcyon timber
They do have a lot more mounts being added to dynamic flying. I think that was a 11.0 pre patch thing though as it took a lot of work engineering that.
surreal barn
Thing is, it sucks into some comps
And it’s obvious lol. I switch back to sepsis build for those
halcyon timber
I do wish my raven could dynamicly fly (orderhall quest) I really dig that bird and still use it a lot.
halcyon timber
yeah that too heh, needs an animation for that
wish it could sit and walk, that's true but time is limited for em and that's understandable. get there when they get there - if they do.
I do love ground mounts too though to be fair.
surreal barn
The bird you got from ohn’ahran plains can sit fine
peak agate
"Dark Chains: Disengage will chain the closest target to the ground, causing them to move 40% slower until they move 8 yards away. " I love it
They brought frost fire bolt. Fantastic. I'm curious what they do with rogues now.
sturdy canopy
Getting a demo lock BM hunter lobby and padding the meters ta fuck, IC go brrrrrr 🥵
halcyon timber
The bird you got from ohn’ahran plains can sit fine
agreed, it's just a different set of animations loaded into their FBX with set parameters. They "can" do it , just a pain in the butt to do it atm. They have said stuff like that in the past from the engineers to eventually make more things like that in past but fairly recent interviews. It's just not high on the priority list atm but prob will in the future (at some point).
peak agate
They brought frost fire bolt. Fantastic. I'm curious what they do with rogues no...
They will bring back
Hemorrhage for the lolz.
halcyon timber
I'm a simple guy, I just want more emphasis on gloomblade /backstab and not rat packing dance more. Hemorrhage would have been cool but pve nerds upstairs would be against it and whatever man.
peak agate
Too bad it ain't their choice. It's the whatever the dev finds make sense design wise for these hero talents.
So far the hero talents are bringing back returning abilities or improving ones that are annoying to the class (e.g power infusion)
halcyon timber
Agreed on that
shit can't be balanced if all the micky mouse crap of expansions past made it to anything. Realz did a damn good job and whoever else teamed up with him.
peak agate
Their revise dev timeline indicates Alpha should be coming soon. So we gonna see leaks and complaining soon.
halcyon timber
oh for sure, more goofy ass aoe complaints and silly overloading cds nonsense that isn't balanced at all and effs rogues. Glad the devs don't listen to that crap.
iT wud bE fUn iF, nah man. bread and butter and core shit first and always.
surreal barn
I think the whole idea of hero skills is dumb as hell
If balancing was hard now then you just wait lol
halcyon timber
It's fine and I mean that whole heartedly, they said they trees are tuned to be nore more than +/- 10% among all nodes and they will actively work on them as an evergreen feature.
peak agate
As of now. It's really just one talent and a bunch of passives.
halcyon timber
they aren't meant to be gAmE cHangIng or anything dumb
yeah I just like bread and butter
let me stab and murder and i'm happy
surreal barn
On behalf of my leatherworker I want to thank all you new rogue and ww rerollers
We getting rich
halcyon timber
LOL
waxen meteor
I think the whole idea of hero skills is dumb as hell
i didn't read too much about it
i thought it's just new talents with a diff name?
halcyon timber
forever an alchemist, I like helping people but also harming them too.
a harmacist if you will
surreal barn
It’s like laying the legion talent nodes on top of the trees we have now
Except it’s more like… a tree too
So trees on trees
halcyon timber
Hero talents are SMALL supplementary bonuses that the big devs talked about in that long interview to help further accent your style
they said they are keeping everyone in mind with these as well
peak agate
We don't even get new talent points
halcyon timber
and closely monitoring them
surreal barn
Pretty large bonuses for the priest there buddy
waxen meteor
Except it’s more like… a tree too
yeah so it looks like we will have a thrid tree lol
sturdy canopy
So trees on trees
Druid night elves b like
halcyon timber
I think hero talents allows them to expand like the Tri-trees back in the day without drastically altering playstyles (appears for what the goal is in mind)
mind you, 2 skill trees are shared between each specialization (not druid as they have a lot of shapeshifting identity crisis going on ha)
If anything, I'd expect some racials to be looked at pretty soon across the game in a smaller patch maybe
peak agate
A tree is kind of superfluous when it can be filled out completely at lvl cap. Might as well make it a passive button you press at the spell book
halcyon timber
The new ones? different styles are good
surreal barn
Prob won’t be filling out completely, but probably will be forced into the most powerful direction
halcyon timber
and I think their goal is to accent things you dig or offer a way of altering an ability as an example for some other desired effect
def won't ever fill out a tree
not balanced that way
I dig differentiation and being a specialist of something you really care about
peak agate
They way they worded whatever hero talents you choose. You'll fill out the tree at 70
halcyon timber
especially when they take the time like realz talked about in PTR and such that things ARE tuned pretty dang close
sturdy canopy
To me it looks like the artifact wep trees, just catered to class fantasy and not tied to a weapon
halcyon timber
that's cool w me because eff the artifact weapon
small , deterministic and healthy bonuses that won't warp us was a solid move
not a full pendulum swing as that isn't cool
sturdy canopy
It's blizzard they'll mess something up
sharp sierra
I’m actually not sure, I’d love to figure it out because it manages to overthrow my ability to discern what I need to do
peak agate
I'm honestly more interested in new embellishments that they'll add for professions.
Minor gameplay tweaks aren't going to change too much. So unless they do another rehaul of the talent trees getting some spell effects and a new rotation ability is not too much of sell.
It's cool to gain an old ability back as @halcyon timber mentioned someone who's really into their pve DPS going to complain
surreal barn
Michael buble and shadow dance might be made for each other
jolly sierra
Michael buble and shadow dance might be made for each other
yeah, matched well with the fkn dancing lol
halcyon timber
Minor gameplay tweaks aren't going to change too much. So unless they do another...
Yeah agreed man, would rather have bread and butter style stuff than big flashy crap that gets tuned (because they have to). In a fan if combining my whole kit instead if overly relying on shit. Im a high advocate for gloomblade being impactful and glad choices like that were heard out.
jolly sierra
chad taste if u recognized it so fast
peak agate
Yeah agreed man, would rather have bread and butter style stuff than big flashy ...
Full support in main abilities doing damage. You just need to sacrifice the damage from somewhere else.
halcyon timber
Full support in main abilities doing damage. You just need to sacrifice the dama...
Agreed and that is completely cool as it should be regarding balance
surreal barn
Any of you play mage
jolly sierra
halcyon timber
Any of you play mage
We stab here sir
XD
Looks cool though, had a bunch of friends who loved that frostfire stuff back in the day.
gleaming pawn
Tertiaries like that don’t work in rated pvp, so no
echo abyss
Ok
stoic spruce
Or talents
old dome
Outlaw stronger than sub now for Blits/SS/2s ~1.8k?
gleaming pawn
Depends
Outlaw can live longer with a healer, neither spec is killing 100-0 in a stun by themselves
old dome
Thanks for info! Im so used to sub. Havent played out since SL. But I prefer out aestethics. Also dont wanna play the worst possible of the specs.
waxen meteor
Outlaw stronger than sub now for Blits/SS/2s ~1.8k?
SS is nightmare for sub...
Blits doesn't really have rating
old dome
Havent bothered with SS latley. Its less and less fun.
languid ravine
guys some 1600 Rsham refuses to spam ping macro, so I grief him
but enemy team still dies
and then some guy goes afk
giving another freewin to the shaman
there is no justice in this world
languid ravine
Blits doesn't really have rating
I m at 2.2 rating in blitz and still get subterranean non entities frequently, I think it does literally nothing lmao
ok not quite true the matches do get slightly better but still
surreal barn
SS is nightmare for sub...
Unless you run into an assa lobby
halcyon timber
I m at 2.2 rating in blitz and still get subterranean non entities frequently, I...
Lol freakin subterranean non entities. That was perfectly said
waxen meteor
Unless you run into an assa lobby
After playing good dmg as sin but not winning lobbies. Swapped to DH and do much bigger dmg with no effort 
60/51 logged out happily
waxen meteor
I do think sin can force very good spread dmg
Tbh I am a bit preserved in those scenarios
Multiple lobbies today as sin, it’s quite clear they cannot heal enough and overall HP dropping. But I am not certain I can push hard, cause i feel i can die in one swap easily too without trinket
waxen meteor
Kinda sad
Honestly I was like a bit proud of my dmg before i swapped
Then my DH did straight 100k dps games without much aoe….
Soloed hpal in 2 rounds in open before he bubble…
waxen meteor
It’s not really low mmr, 2.2 ish, the dmg is just so easy and so high
And straight forward…
Like I spread on 3 targets 3 dots from sin to create big pressure on other team
DH just bang bang bang doing more dmg straight…
Very true from a r1 hpal
languid ravine
what does the Repimand 1shot Sub build look like? just remove 1 vigor and tea?
or drop Dstrat for cold blood
gilded gulch
i mean yeah whenever i used to play dh vs other dhs
i'd gap them by at least 2x their damage
waxen meteor
I think DH now just lacks of ways to deal with root
In the lobbies without super strong burst or root, DH is very Op
surreal barn
Speaking of root… I hate devastation evokes
waxen meteor
I had so many dev evoker in lobbies today
buoyant crow
How are you supposed to play around shroud?
Just target something else for 20 seconds and let the evoker boom boom?
I have yet to figure it out...
surreal barn
This one I went 3-3 with a couple times till he 5-1 us all
waxen meteor
Just target something else for 20 seconds and let the evoker boom boom?
Well tbh I have same question lol
surreal barn
How are you supposed to play around shroud?
Are you a nightelf
If so you just meld and triple cheap shot it off
proven sapphire
I thought rogue counters dh
halcyon timber
Anything can counter anything with timing.
waxen meteor
In a way sub does counters DH
waxen meteor
Spriest counters Zeiss completely
Start alt DH now 
Oh why is this SP poping all defensive back and forth
surreal barn
Never played a DH
buoyant crow
Are you a nightelf
I am not.. but are you saying shroud drops from 3 cc's? That's the key?
waxen meteor
I am not.. but are you saying shroud drops from 3 cc's? That's the key?
Yeah
It blocks only 3 cc
And if you didn’t know
buoyant crow
Ok that's super helpful
waxen meteor
We are a super counter to that skill if they pre cast shroud
Because you can literally three sap
Then it’s gone
buoyant crow
🥲
I'm so upset
Me and my friend have literally been playing for the last month
Thinking we can't touch evokes when they shroud
Just thinking
waxen meteor
Well three blocks are very strong
If you don’t have a way to deal with it without spending major cd
It’s close to can’t touch
hidden dome
I wish they just reworked sub rogue again
double vanish (3 vanish with nelf) one-shot cheese is the most cancer shit in the game
In 2s at least
halcyon timber
We are supposed to be elusive and we always had preparation, no dice on anything else so nope.
halcyon timber
It did yeah and this was their way of introducing it in a way. I fought for prep but yeah.
Game got faster overall, rogues have to as well.
hidden dome
It isn't about balance. it is about being the worst thing to fight against
Classes that just go for cheesy oneshots are already horrible
And classes that are unkillable are also horrible
Sub is the worst of both worlds
And this comes from a fellow rogue player.
Nothing makes me quite as annoyed as seeing a sub rogue as my enemy above 2k rating in 2s
And I have a quite high winrate against them. The losses just feel undeserved
because it is always some 0.2 second window off not dying
languid ravine
doubt it
clever elk
Idk the game switched to "ALL" every time i open a Vendor, i thought it was on outlaw
didnt doublecheck, put enchant on it
Same happened in SL on my Monk i bought boots 5 times instead of legs, they looked the same.
steel scarab
Mysteriously, Smoke Bomb is working on my weakaura now
I changed nothing
So that's fancy and nice
Anyone know how to make it so these circled icons are no longer transparent? I find them very hard to see
lime venture
Does anyone have the sub builds that were used in the EU AWC tourney
halcyon timber
Probably under conditions > alpha value is changed James. (Alpha is probably set very low with whatever custom trigger they set up there)
jolly sierra
more practise
steel scarab
@halcyon timber very cool, I will check and mess with it tomorrow to see if that is the problem.
halcyon timber
<@134060907603951616> very cool, I will check and mess with it tomorrow to see i...
no sweat man, just all depends on what conditions they set up there but it's def an alpha setting at probably .10 (1 would make it competely visible just in case you didn't know).
steel scarab
I didn't know that! I will try to see if I can set alpha to 1 and see what happens.
boreal shale
more practise
wtf is that UI 
jolly sierra
wtf is that UI <:Ohmigawd:1199931022343675995>
death in life
sick wasp
more practise
those icons above the enemy frames 
u can use plater and narrow them down a bit
but in all i like ur reaction time,that disarm was 💪
also another thing,about 27seconds in your screen is flooded with tellmewhen auras but i cant see any DR tracker
what if u had to land a stun and it was on dr
how would u tell if u have to blind instead
this is what u should be using
if u understand how shared DR works its guaranteed 2.3-2.4
feral wigeon
hey all, I haven't played since BFA and I was wondering if you could still replace Roll the Dice by Slice and Dice? if so, is it any viable in pvp because I never enjoyed the rng of Dice
Roll the Bones*
stoic spruce
Nope
mortal jay
is there any value to be had in rocking live-bound boots over indomitabablABLE BOOTS?
willow valley
is there any value to be had in rocking live-bound boots over indomitabablABLE B...
huh
wdym
willow valley
anyone knows who this idiot is?
bro keeps laughing at me while hes killing me in 2v1
and in a BG 💀
willow valley
A rogue killing a rogue and flexing on it
ye
the funny part is that he had a priest helping him
and he thought he was good only cuz of that
i mean, bro, ur in a random bg and ur 2v1 me 💀
willow valley
normal "idiot" rogue behavior
willow valley
Normal rogue behavior
but yeah, im not mad
i just laughed at him, just wanted to know if he was here
but, if u think about it, its funny and sad at the same time
cuz these type of people with zug zug mentallity are everywhere, not only in wow
wintry dew
Yes you're absolutely correct
willow valley
more practise
damn
ur good with assa
but one question, why u have all the UI things on the left?
sick wasp
Raz is streaming outlaw shuffles
should hop in boys to check him out
https://www.twitch.tv/raztvx in case u are wondering he's a multirank 1 rogue in both rbg and rated arenas
jolly sierra
but one question, why u have all the UI things on the left? <:OMEGAKEKW:82905110...
crappy sorting
jolly sierra
also another thing,about 27seconds in your screen is flooded with tellmewhen aur...
their plates have the drs colored in red/yellow/green
sick wasp
their plates have the drs colored in red/yellow/green
thats way too much for me 😅
but if it works for u 👌
jolly sierra
i need to clean the interface anyways BTW
but need to see how can feel comfortable lol
nova viper
i need to clean the interface anyways BTW
i use only sarena, omnicd, omnicc, omnibar and details
overall
oh and bigdebuff
jolly sierra
i really hate omni addons always bugs the shit out
sick wasp
omnicd and bigdebuff are both very good
buoyant crow
Can you select certain spells to not announce in gladiatorlosa
I was going to re-download it but the amount of spells being announced at certain times was overwhelming lol
nova viper
i really hate omni addons always bugs the shit out
yea
omni cd is piece of shit
always make error
halcyon timber
Can you select certain spells to not announce in gladiatorlosa
No idea but it retrieves info from the combat log most likely so unless you can blacklist things prob not .
willow valley
crappy sorting
anyways, ur ui looks cool
specially the addon u have for the nameplates
and also that square that appears on enemies
whats that?
which addon?
buoyant crow
No idea but it retrieves info from the combat log most likely so unless you can ...
Damn eh so it's probably better to use a visual addon like omnicd then eh
willow valley
https://www.twitch.tv/raztvx in case u are wondering he's a multirank 1 rogue in...
damn
halcyon timber
Damn eh so it's probably better to use a visual addon like omnicd then eh
All retrieved from the same api just different ways of presenting it. Your preference there man
willow valley
what spells or buffs are the most important for every class?
like the turtle shell that hunter has, or the bubble of the pala
if theres any web that says all that it would be great
i want to add them to my nameplateauras profile
sick wasp
i want to add them to my nameplateauras profile
omnicd
willow valley
(basically all the buffs that makes the player invincible or inmune to cc)
willow valley
and it appears on the nameplate?
sick wasp
u can put it appear on nameplate but u either have to custom write that trigger
willow valley
mmmhh
sick wasp
or just use omnivcd which tracks all cds
willow valley
or just use omnivcd which tracks all cds
i will try it
actually, u gave me an awesome idea
thx
sick wasp
happy i did my man
the general idea with addons and WA's is too make them the most effective in what they do w/o interfering with ur gameplay in a negative way
as in distracting u or limiting ur ability to play
in pvp thats pivotal coz even a single second can mean a win or lose situation
willow valley
the general idea with addons and WA's is too make them the most effective in wha...
ye
for me, WA saved me
i use a lot of em
specially since i understood how to create my own
but i remember that omnicd was pretty trash
willow valley
ill give it a try again
sick wasp
the vast majority of casters uses omnicd
especially healers
u can always check it see how it goes
willow valley
but its easier if u study informatics or something relationed with programation
willow valley
u can always check it see how it goes
ye
maybe ill be back in a few hours with a lot of questions about omnicd
willow valley
yeah, well
some people doesnt understand that
but at least i finally found 2 teammates for 3v
and the three of us are still learning, so its good
cuz i dont have a warrior screaming at me for not stuning the healer for 30 sec 
clever elk
Outlaw is pretty hard in 2s 😦
jolly sierra
which addon?
toptarget
clever elk
SS Outlaw is much fun, first time rogue pvp:
but i dont get why healers get autometic stun remove trinket
sick wasp
cuz i dont have a warrior screaming at me for not stuning the healer for 30 sec ...
its a learning curve,eveyrhting comes with practice,remember that
surreal barn
Assa now lowest played rogue spec lol
Last shuffle in the middle of getting chaos bolted my fistweaver monk goes “rogue ur gonna die”
So encouraging!!!
jolly sierra
he was right
unborn void
For those using an mmo mouse do you also put your builders/spenders on there? Or leave on keyboard
surreal barn
I’m probably the wrong person to ask but
I have my defensives like vanish evasion blind and longer cds on my keyboard
The rest on mouse
gleaming pawn
I have my builders and spenders on my keyboard, except for SnD. Everything else is on mouse
pale storm
BTE really is just a slot machine
buoyant crow
Good ass mouse right there though
halcyon timber
For those using an mmo mouse do you also put your builders/spenders on there? Or...
My buttons sre the same , what changes are just shift / control etc . 7,8,9 are for targeting on my mouse as an example .
Yeh defensive tools are always shift+ something fast. Shift+2 as an example
sleek belfry
I put off-global abilities/actions on mouse
unborn void
My buttons sre the same , what changes are just shift / control etc . 7,8,9 are...
I def gotta start implementing target binds
halcyon timber
Yeah and shift 7 (mouse) is for nearest target. Helps w totems and such
My “what is directly in front of me” so no tab targeting
halcyon timber
Whatever works for you my man. No shame in that bro.
willow valley
Shift + Mouse tilt left
whaaaaaat
halcyon timber
I have stealth built into 4 buttons. If im not in combat i mash sap as an example and it will stealth me .
willow valley
Yeh defensive tools are always shift+ something fast. Shift+2 as an example
true
halcyon timber
true
I don’t like accidentally using something. That’s why i make sure it is on a shift
willow valley
all my shift keybinds are for defensives or damage buffs
halcyon timber
Yeh same deal
willow valley
I don’t like accidentally using something. That’s why i make sure it is on a shi...
nah its ok
my keybinds are pretty rare too
halcyon timber
My targeting buttons also turn off my auto attacks
That way i can sap / gouge etc
willow valley
i mean, i use one lateral mouse button for shift (i have the logitech G502)
halcyon timber
Without putting them in combat
I dig razer stuff. The nari pro has been good to me
Or whatever model this is, nari might be my headphones
willow valley
My targeting buttons also turn off my auto attacks
i think i have the same, cuz when i blind, gouge or sap my character stops autoattacking
willow valley
I dig razer stuff. The nari pro has been good to me
the one with 12 lateral buttons?
halcyon timber
Yeah gouge turns off atka but i learned a good lesson years ago
Nah its on the medial side
willow valley
oh ok
halcyon timber
All thumb side buttons and is shaped like a small grenade
Weirdest bind i have is for fishing cuz i do it a lot lol
Shift +0 on mouse
Shift A for feint, shift q for rupture etc
halcyon timber
Yep
willow valley
and u still use WASD for moving?
halcyon timber
Mouse to turn and evasion face hunters while smacking people
willow valley
if i need more binds
halcyon timber
Shift z for blades and shift s for cloak
Hand doesn’t reach far with anything is the point
halcyon timber
Shift g for kidney shot and 2 for cheap shot
willow valley
and do u use alt too?
halcyon timber
V and B are poison equips wih alt as the modifiers
Alt not really
Mostly toys like secret fishing goggles or my pokemon lol
willow valley
lol
halcyon timber
Fishing goggles are fun
willow valley
halcyon timber
Was a long achievement to get them
Shift H is hang glider , prob weird but its easy
Ctrl 5 for health potions on mouse
willow valley
Shift H is hang glider , prob weird but its easy
a little hard to press or nah?
halcyon timber
Nah i like small keyboards
halcyon timber
Something i rarely press as well
Unless im dismounted mid air and then hang glide to shadowstep mug people
Ctrl 1 for wind gust potion to escape people in open world then shift d to step to a diff target xD
halcyon timber
Would rather have tools and ways to use them than not have them at all
Gotta make use of being an alchemist heh
surreal barn
I have stealth built into 4 buttons. If im not in combat i mash sap as an exampl...
I do this too but on every skill lol
The unintended silenced + empowered garrote is so nice
halcyon timber
I do this too but on every skill lol
Yeh lol its useful. Especially when getting feared/ cycloned / rooted
Mash tf out of stealth as people forget about us sometimes
gilded gulch
Mash tf out of stealth as people forget about us sometimes
sneaking saps on unattentive healers never gets old
halcyon timber
Yeh or using it to step kick / gouge
Throwing bombs on a warlock’s opposite gate prevents them from doing it too . Ill sneak over and do it when a warrior is railing them
gilded gulch
Throwing bombs on a warlock’s opposite gate prevents them from doing it too . Il...
this was hilarious in bfa s4
halcyon timber
this was hilarious in bfa s4
Yeh . Eff those hogwarts kids
halcyon timber
Voldemort mfs
gilded gulch
too bad i never streamed all those trinket sub 30% die in recheap in opener
halcyon timber
Honestly glad frostfire bolt has a dual lockout as it is returning
One way of them balancing things which is good . Db / nova / block locked
gilded gulch
rpx was a more fun comp overall though
esp when you mc them low and let them bleed out to dots out of los
halcyon timber
Heh yeah
gilded gulch
its up there with sub mm thug for killing dhs and wws in opener
for me
on funny factor
sick wasp
For those using an mmo mouse do you also put your builders/spenders on there? Or...
no,only utility and trinkets here
v2 pro user
unborn void
no,only utility and trinkets here
ah i see, ty
thinking of switching from current lamzu to v2 pro
sick wasp
thinking of switching from current lamzu to v2 pro
best gaming mouse by far
expensive but if u are into that lvl of control can never go back
u can also order it wired if u want
unborn void
u can also order it wired if u want
i had the original wireless naga like 3 years ago but the side buttons stopped working on 2 of them so i returned it
im assuming v2 has less issues 
sick wasp
never had issues with the previous naga ive had but there are very good logitech mouses as alternatives and much cheaper
this one idk,its the best
willow valley
never had issues with the previous naga ive had but there are very good logitech...
like the G502
jolly sierra
but ofc are midrange
willow valley
sick wasp
yup
willow valley
but ofc are midrange
logitech products are good af for its price
and the quality is amazing
my G502 its still alive and as good as new, and i had it for almost 5 years
sick wasp
im swapping ''equipment'' every 3-4 years max
if u have contracts they give u revenue and u buy stuff much cheaper
its a way for the company to recycle stuff and u get a cut off like 10-15% if u do that consistently
willow valley
im swapping ''equipment'' every 3-4 years max
i swap when its broken
and my mouse may be dirty, but is still working
willow valley
its a way for the company to recycle stuff and u get a cut off like 10-15% if u ...
ye but maybe that means that the mouse or whatever ur buying wont last more than 2 years
3 at a maximum
sick wasp
thats not true
willow valley
specially when its a device that u use constantly
sick wasp
no not rly
willow valley
thats not true
in my experience, its true
sick wasp
in my experience, its true
what experience exactly
willow valley
and i know a lot of people that had the same issue
willow valley
what experience exactly
i bought a recicled pc
and now im changing the components
not only cuz their getting old, but also cuz they started to fail
and those components already had like 2 years of usage?
more or less
- 3 years for my personal usage
hidden dome
In my last 8 games I had 6 hunter druid combs. Way to ruin a good evening blizzard 😦
sick wasp
not only cuz their getting old, but also cuz they started to fail
its all about how u use the hardware,its not rly rocketscience
if u throw ur mouse to the wall and punch ur screen then u will have issues
willow valley
sick wasp
if u clean and air it and have them checked u ar efine
surreal barn
my G502 its still alive and as good as new, and i had it for almost 5 years
I use the g600 but they really only last me a couple years
willow valley
if u clean and air it and have them checked u ar efine
i did that for 3 years
thats why im saying it
i mean, im studying informatics (or computing, idk the right word) and i would be an idiot if i didnt know how to maintain a pc
sick wasp
thats why im saying it
probably dmg'd equipment then
sick wasp
idk man,i dont even trust my mother 😛
willow valley
it was just that the components started to get old and slow
sick wasp
well ye thats why they got recycled anyway
willow valley
so it started to go slower, and the thing got worst so now i have a I7-12700k CPU hehe
willow valley
well ye thats why they got recycled anyway
ye
sick wasp
ye
so youve bought already used and added severalyears on those
which means past their expiration date anyway
thats the highest probability of stuff being dmg'd
you can get
willow valley
ye
thats the point, if u buy recicled things, they wont keep working for many more years
(maybe)
willow valley
and thats why i started buying brand new things, so they last longer
willow valley
thats relative thats what im saying
well, obviously
i was talking about recicled things with 2 years and a half or more
if ur buying something that someone only used for 6 months - 1 year its ok
hidden dome
I wonder if they ever add other heals to the game. Above 2k in 2s everyone is just fucking druid heal every game
sick wasp
its still too much and you dont rly know why they got recycled
willow valley
its still too much and you dont rly know why they got recycled
well, as u said, that depends on what ur buying
maybe theyre selling it cuz it still works, but maybe not for much
willow valley
hahaha
yeah, thats another one
theres also a lot of scammer trying to sell u shit in bad condition that it still looks good
clever elk
ive done it! 🙂 as outlaw
willow valley
ive done it! 🙂 as outlaw
jolly sierra
gratz
hidden dome
ive done it! 🙂 as outlaw
Huge! Gratz 🙂
surreal barn
grats man
hexed pollen
glad mason
If not playing Greenskin's Wickers, is pistol shot ever worth it over ambush during your stealth/subterfuge windows (with procs)?
hidden dome
I press it over ambush when it is capped on stacks
glad mason
Yeah that's what I feel like I should be doing but I'm having a hard time fitting all my buttons comfortably lol
hidden dome
That is normal with outlaw
willow valley
damn
now i understand why BtE in stealth is so important
when u use BtE and get back the CP + the talent to use BtE without cost in stealth is overpowered
willow valley
but isnt pistol shot proc better for building cp?
so u can use more BtE in stealth?
oh ok
im using both procs anyways so
both are good
what would u change about this spec then?
tawny kestrel
thats exactly what i play
willow valley
whats CTO?
lapis flare
Just got an MMO mouse so I can stop mouseover healing in arena. Should I rebind all my spells to the mouse and change qwe/123 to targeting or use the mouse for targeting and arena123 step/kick/blind etc. I have so much muscle memory on the keyboard and I'm worried about my thumb but I know Pika puts his main rotation on the mouse
willow valley
what talents are u using?
halcyon timber
Just got an MMO mouse so I can stop mouseover healing in arena. Should I rebind ...
Zero idea here but some healers use mouse wheel for friendly players. Dunno how but they do (not sure if that is up = arena friendly 1 or if it is a cycling type function e.g. 2 clicks = friend 3 or something)
willow valley
i ended with this
ur right, CTO just adds more rng to the most rng ability in the game
i prefer greenskin's
nah, now i hate CTO
i do a lot more damage with greenskin's
and without using CDs
and ive been using it all this time 😭
glad mason
I just wish they'd get rid of stuff like ghostly strike, what an underwhelming button
half wigeon
willow valley
willow valley
I just wish they'd get rid of stuff like ghostly strike, what an underwhelming b...
and why does some people use it?
i dont know if its worth it
glad mason
I'm not saying it's bad, I just don't like pressing it
languid ravine
tehres no way in hell that dropping ghostly is an acceptable play
just macro it to BtE
glad mason
Oh yeah it's off the GCD what the heck why am I not doing that
coral kettle
Macro to bte is the move. I also macro orc racial to shadow dance. Why not. Make your life easier.
lapis flare
Is sepsis without goremane's or flag for sub an ok build?
Trying to do something with a few less buttons to press for a noob
halcyon timber
Yes as all the stuff is tightly tuned
north rain
Uhh nobody good plays wickers atm
It’s straight up worse than count the odds with tier it’s way worse
gleaming pawn
clearly if it isn't on Murlok.io then it isn't good
and clearly, if all of the hive mind pvpers aren't running it they must know best
north rain
1 it’s shuffle. 2. You have 2k games at break even WR 3. Trill, dazed, pikaboo, Whaazz, brunhity don’t play it and do I need to say more
In fact, most ppl all have been asked about gsw and they say it’s terrible
But Lopez, the guy with the most time on his hand s that lives in shuffle, he’s right!
You’re not even close to them tho
How do you consider yourself equal
gleaming pawn
how are you typing with so many streamer dicks in your hands all at once
seriously though, if it works for him, it works
north rain
Half the ppl I mentioned don’t stream
gleaming pawn
and the streamers have all demonstrated they don't know best from their ass or elbow, numerically. They have all also only just swapped over to Outlaw in the last several weeks.
is CTO good? yes, Lopez even said as much
north rain
And yeah, the 3 that do are incredibly helpful for learning, much better than the word of 4k shuffle games guy in discord
gleaming pawn
GSW can still have it's place
north rain
But again, he said the top rogues are divided, but nobody considered a top rogues us running gsw… ever…
gleaming pawn
the top players are all fallible, and could easily have something wrong. How long was the go to sub builds last season cememted in stone. And then Trill pulled out a ST raid build and showed everyone they had been wrong
north rain
The shuffle rogues may be divided, they seem to be divided on running adapt vs medallion too rofl
Pve and PvP play the same build outside of enduring brawler stam talent everything else is the same
tribal badger
i tried gsw and it just felt a bit worse then cto to play and damage was similar
its worse in all situations in pve but in pvp ur often not relying on pure numbers for winning games
so realistically i doubt it makes any difference
just play what u prefer
id rather just press ambush
its always better to ambush to build in crackshot windows unless u dont have the energy/have broadside
north rain
so realistically i doubt it makes any difference
Anti synergy with ace resets mainly
tribal badger
its just more damage (on average)
i only use PS in crackshot if i leave melee range
north rain
And cto just so good with tier
tribal badger
not if it procs. and if it procs it gives you a larger CP bte
which is what really matters
since its a majority of ur damage in any crackshot even without getting ace
but again this is just optimal damage in pve type stuff
on average its always better to ambush over PS in crackshot unless you have broadside
even if you are capped on charges
north rain
Yep yep
tribal badger
well maximizing the damage of crackshot windows is what maximizes damage in pve also
ur not choosing the less damage in crackshot window option for some reason
also it makes sure u always have PS charges ready for someone leaving range/needing to leave melee range to cc the healer
so you can keep the tail end of ur crackshot window going from 40 yards away
with just PS and bte
north rain
Yeah and ambushes give you even more buffs from count the odds it’s just wonderful
tribal badger
well ur trying to do as much raw damage in every crackshot window as possible
which sounds very similar to maximizing burst to me
not sure what would be different
ur trying to get as much damage in that 6s window as u can
and the robot says the way to do that is to ambush
north rain
Bro what
tribal badger
i guess if u wanna remove the variance of crits from the window
i dont think it rlly makes a difference
the only difference is i like have PS up for when i get kited/need to go gouge the healer and wanna keep crackshotting
so seems better to make sure im using the melee strong ability that can proc my PS while im in melee
at worse its doing very similar if not more damage and saving up my procs for when i need them
yea gsw is nice for that, never really felt like burst for me but i played this same way when i was trying gsw
north rain
You do you man, it’s just the way you presented sounded like it was a divided issue when it’s just your preferred sub optimal build
tribal badger
just using it when i went to cc/couldnt ambush
i mean top rogues make some highly questionable decisions
north rain
Bc of roots
tribal badger
alot of top outlaws wont even go past 30% vers which is wild
north rain
Not bc it’s more dmg
tribal badger
yea i play kspree into 2 druid and mage lobbies
its nice for the root break. never played it for damage
but that points damage value seems very low anyway (gsw vs kspree vs cto)
north rain
alot of top outlaws wont even go past 30% vers which is wild
Think that’s changing, seeing some of ppl with engi bracers on ladder
Wish I had more sparks
tribal badger
yea time for them to wake up
like pve law has almost the same damage profile and they want 50% vers 0 haste 0 mastery and like 40% crit
so even if ur only doing the same damage at 50% vers (i dont think its the same) ur gaining 10% more DR for free
i know in his last stream nadj said he tried full vers vs mastery and he didnt notice a damage difference
which is fair
north rain
Most the ones I saw had full versa with engi items
tribal badger
but also with full vers u literally have 10% more dr then everyone
im at 49% rn in my pvp gear
anyway no stat moves ur damage up inside a crackshot window as much as vers
so seeing so much mastery on peoples gear is wild to me
since most are playing law as a go spec, not a pve spec
if crackshot double dipped mastery (bte/dispatch could both proc it) i could see why maybe
but only the dispatch portion of each finisher has a chance to proc it
so mastery is same value inside and outside crackshot windows
gleaming pawn
it feels like a forgotten stat for Outlaw. Maybe if it had some synergy with talents like CTO or Fatal Flourish it would feel better
tribal badger
its just a weird flavor mastery thats basically passive damage
gleaming pawn
but just doing a tiny amount of damage randomly is do dumb
tribal badger
and how good it is depends on the arbritraty tuning of it
i truly think realz forgot about it when he psuedo nerfed it in 10.2 with the new tree
he just forgot to give back 10% proc rate he took out of the tree which basically guttered the stat
gleaming pawn
pretty sure that was the intent behind the stat when it was first introduced a million years ago
could be remembering that dev post wrong though
jolly sierra
tf happened here guys
gleaming pawn
Outlaw things, it’s in the nature
I gotta say though after 2 expansions of Sub and Sin being best, it’s a little weird with so many yellows talking
jolly sierra
nono, literal was watching someone talking about how many r1 dikz had some guy in his hands
sounded like an arguing lol
gleaming pawn
Yeah I was being combative and an ass, matching their energy. But the others all worked their shit out and everyone moved on so it’s “fine”
languid ravine
man glancing over warrior discord, everthing is brown and dumb
at least we have colours
surreal barn
at least we have colours
LOL
old dome
Noob question. You want mh dagger and oh sword?
In this case the vers/mast bloom mace oh.
willow valley
Noob question. You want mh dagger and oh sword?
for outlaw?
old dome
Sub sorry
old dome
Thanks alot!
old dome
❤️
coral kettle
Man that got really weird and hostile there for a bit
willow valley
Man that got really weird and hostile there for a bit
huh?
what got weird and hostile?
coral kettle
You uh, read anything up there erre
I just got back from the pub and bys got weird about wickers. Play whatever talents you want. Sims are free. Use them, them are more accurate than your feelings. Killing spree is dope and breaks roots. Streamers are hacks. Have fun. This is a video game
willow valley
You uh, read anything up there erre
um no?
i dont read every message on this chat bro
coral kettle
Alright. Well. Hard to keep ya up to speed then hahah
willow valley
ok
buoyant crow
Honestly I just can't get behind outlaw. I've been maining assa since the start of the season and I love it so much
Outlaw feels so super clunky
It makes me sad that it's the better spec but I'm like 1700-1800 rated at best anyways so it don't mean shit lol
I loved outlaw in Shadowlands though lol
sick wasp
outlaw is different
i dont rly like it for pvp tbh
but its strong into MLD and other casters and melee cleaves
looks like it has a weak spot for sub rogues and monks but might be wrong
im trying to undersand mage now pvp wise and when ive got an outlaw in my team i dont feel very comfortable
would pick a sub or sin rogue 10 times out of 10
surreal barn
Vs certain matchups though it is really tough
Like paladin evoker
Let’s call it dwarf paladin evoker
No bleeding be happinin when it needs to
surreal barn
Haha
tribal badger
sin just gets the hardest countered by certain specific anti bleed abilities
surreal barn
The amount of hunters that don’t mending bandage tho
tribal badger
its still playable, it just feels so uphill
sick wasp
personally ive always send cds to force a trinket,turtle a min,shotgun the next go
with some mage love everything can happen
there are no classes that can counter mage-rogue,u either gonna die from the rogue or the mage
tough decisions 😄
tribal badger
its just weird cause they removed thr ability to dispel combust becuase it didnt really fit their gameplan that a classes primary cd could be dispelled on a whim last expac
so that leaves sin as like... the last spec in the game with a primary damage cooldown that can just be hardcountered by a fairly common thing (bleed dispelling)
sick wasp
it doesnt matter
if there is an evoker u just pump the evoker
into a stun
there is also the gar silence and mage spellstealing which makes life so much easier
coz both classes are pretty scary
the biggest screw up is not knowing what shares dr and cc a dr'd sheep or something
buoyant crow
This felt so good
Critiques are welcomed, I'm not a great player by any means but feels nice when you pull stuff like this lol
jolly sierra
oh would be hard to vod a priest tbh
so dunno what is happening there, good job anyways lol
buoyant crow
Yeah unfortunately I didn't catch it on my clips lol 🙃
Thank you though~ I'm trying to get better.. making that 1800 push this weekend
buoyant crow
My friend that I played with in that clip we play together constantly but never really played a good comp or made a push
We'd love to play 3s but finding a healer is hard haha
This the first time we've played healer/dps and it seems to be working so far
steel scarab
Can someone run through the classes that have bleed immunity? I know Dwarves (and probably dark iron dwarves) can remove bleeds with Stoneform, but I have noticed some classes seem to cleanse all my bleeds. No idea how they're doing it, any insight?
lucid citrus
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/645712823787192321/1205311585107574814/Wo...
Also hard to give a vod review if the video starts at the end of the game..
But you do have Life swap, Dome and Rapture up at the end and you didn’t use any of them😅
buoyant crow
Also hard to give a vod review if the video starts at the end of the game..
Bu...
It was a quite a long match, the shaman denied alot of our go's. But yeah sorry about the abrupt video. I'll definitely point it out to my healer (I am the rogue) 😜
lucid citrus
Ohh my bad i missed the part that you’re the rogue😅
buoyant crow
All good! It's still helpful to have things pointed out from both perspectives
tribal badger
Can someone run through the classes that have bleed immunity? I know Dwarves (an...
hunters have a pvp talent on a 30s(?) cd that lets them remove all bleeds/poisons called mending bandage
it also heals them but it only takes 1 tick to remove all the debuffs
evokers have a class tree talent that cleanses all bleed/disease/poisons from a player on a 1 minute cd
rogue of course with improved cloak pvp talent can cloak bleeds off
paladins bop will remove all bleeds
thats all the ones off the top of my head
thick dagger
^ just survival BM and Mm do not have mending bandage
sick wasp
Critiques are welcomed, I'm not a great player by any means but feels nice when ...
was a nicely timed box
u did very good
u could add a cheapshot off the KS for the extra time inside the box,in case there wasnt enough dmg or time to kill him before he escapes/presses a cd
but in all ggs
steel scarab
Good to know
Yeah I've definitely noticed Evokers seem to remove all my bleeds, super annoying
surreal barn
Devastation buffed big time in these past changes
They can survive quite nicely now
steel scarab
Can they please give Assassination some survivability or more damage or idk, like
SOME reason to play it over the other rogue specs?
Assassination has:
Less burst than Subtlety
Less sustained damage than Outlaw
Less control than Subtlety and Outlaw
Less survivability than Subtlety and Outlaw
Less restealth capability than Subtlety and Outlaw
What does it do better than Subtlety and Outlaw? Uh. Iron Wire, I guess? Which only triggers during Dance or Stealth
buoyant crow
Assassin just feels so smooth to play though lol
I know I'm gimping myself by playing it but I can't bring myself to not play it haha
steel scarab
It doesn't help that most of the PvP talents for assassination are awful
thick dagger
Wildsoul it helps a lot if you play with a disc priest or sham as Sin
steel scarab
@thick dagger I'm doing solo shuffle though 😔
buoyant crow
Yeah disc is nice with assa
thick dagger
Ya don’t waste your time jump into some 2’s or 3’s
buoyant crow
Without mine, we wouldn't win any games hahaha
jolly sierra
assa is smoother in gameplay when u are not focused
thick dagger
Most of the time you sitting waiting for games anyways if you qued for SS I stopped playing that awhile ago the higher you go the longer the wait and once you get to 1hr+ literally no fun
Had an hour and half wait one time just for a dude to leave on round 2
buoyant crow
assa is smoother in gameplay when u are not focused
I dont mind duking out in 2s but yeah, in 3s if focused it gets super difficult
That's why I started playing outlaw but I just suck at the BTE stealth windows
Someone showed that macro that only let's you use it in stealth.. might try that out lol
jolly sierra
I dont mind duking out in 2s but yeah, in 3s if focused it gets super difficult
its harder in SS imo
sick wasp
Assassination has:
Less burst than Subtlety
Less sustained damage than Outlaw
Le...
its more oppressive than both in longterm fights.Sub dmg falls and it has the capacity to oneshot any given time.Sin has more dmg overall and a oneshot everymin