pvp

[surreal barn]

Poison cleanse totem lol

[jolly sierra]

ah

los

[halcyon timber]

Not really just like how we don’t do any damage out of dance thanks to pvers hijacking the class since legion.

Except pets / demons / minions who run at us with mount speed heh

[surreal barn]

I really hate that I can’t gouge the important minions so I don’t get clobbered

That gouge is valuable to me it’s not like I’m not giving up anything

[halcyon timber]

Hur hur while they just summon another one. I just feint and do what I can man. Lame we can’t build cb pts off storm smacking minions but prob due to balance reasons so we can’t funnel hate into their eyelid.

[supple spade]

hey

[keen pawn]

can some1 kick this hunter

[jolly sierra]

no

he is friendly

[jolly sierra]

yoyo dood

[surreal barn]

Hi

This is the hunter that teaches all the other SV hunters how to properly kill us

[supple spade]

[tribal badger]

this is the hunter that cut down rogues dreams in the 2v2 tourny

🥹

1v2 even

[jolly sierra]

that is the hunter who represents all surv hunters we match

[hidden dome]

Man I love it when the game just straight up eats your input and you die as a result

love having to press each key 3 times

I swear this didn't happen in SL or BfA

[waxen meteor]

A holy priest said in my lobby, I keep your HP low to use my skills, don't panic

is this a real thing even?

[tribal badger]

uh i mean pw:L like resets its cd if its used on low hp targets but uhh

they need to be so low they r in execute range for most classes so

sounds terrible

[waxen meteor]

yeah

that's basically what i told him...

and that was a really bad lobby tbh

literally people swap for absolutly no reason

and range classes don't follow me (although i am doing ret not rogue)

got turtle out, fine, swap for 5 second is good

then never swap back

[hidden dome]

If you play holy you need to tell people that or they start using CDs with ray of Hope on them

[waxen meteor]

i was like playing with 3 noob dps and the holy priest that wants to keep you in execution range

[urban harbor]

Quick question, how easily can a rogue beat a dh in a duel?

[waxen meteor]

didnt you ask the same in dh discord..

overall sub can

second blade, dh dies for certain

the only chance DH can win is to glimpse a kidney

[hidden dome]

With double vanish you shouldn't lose duels against any class. At most you tie them

[urban harbor]

Aw man ok

Well thanks yall, my search continues

[waxen meteor]

asking a random question in a discord and expect a random person to give you perfect answer is weird

seems looking for a bible as evidence for some arguments..

[waxen meteor]

run into a 4 melee lobby, glad i turn it into kill the healer game

won 3 of them

if the dumb ass war chose to collabrate would have been 5

touched no healer at all

[tribal badger]

double havoc dh lobby

fun times

[exotic dove]

Did some RPS 3s today as Assa and I actually liked it as much as Rogue lock healer

Was fun time did it with friends too

[willow valley]

someone has a assa build for pvp?

[jolly sierra]

la mia

busca mi char

meimei-sanguino

[willow valley]

name?

k

[tribal badger]

bro i just had a dh rage whisper me

"amazing, evasion in opener then evasion back up 40s later gg broken spec"

brother literally pressed blur everytime i tab targeted to him

dh complaining about dodge

[willow valley]

dh players

[halcyon timber]

Glimpse backflip and blur dodging kidney from behind say bonjour

[autumn osprey]

Hey guys
I'm back in wow and the game seems really foreign to me after 5 years. Could you help me? What is the recommended skill level for Rogues in PvP?

[willow valley]

5 years? damn, thats a lot

[willow valley]

with skill level u mean how good u have to be to do something with the rogue?

[jolly sierra]

say "imagine having blur"

[waxen meteor]

Just 5 years don’t worry I came back after 10 years break

[tribal badger]

I did

i literally whispered him back "u press blur the moment I target u then its back up 2 kidneys later gg broken spec"

[languid ravine]

MY 1800 healdruid getting soloed by a half-geared Demon hunter

[jolly sierra]

good job

[jolly sierra]

u deleted me as full geared shut up lol

[languid ravine]

yeah but healdruid though

[waxen meteor]

when i play 2s, i think sin and dh can solo most heals

probably sin even better

the 3+4+2.5 cc on healer is quite good and basically healer has to eat full kingsbane

dh might actually get pillared...

[coral kettle]

Toss on wound poison (or hemo) to boot

[last jasper]

I don’t get, why rogues complains about blur?

[coral kettle]

My only complaint about blur is being able to dodge from behind. Because I don't think any other form of 'dodge' allows that

But otherwise idgaf.

[last jasper]

well, thats why we have cheap shot

[coral kettle]

Nah I mean we do have cheap shot sure. But don't call it dodge if doesn't function like dodge.

It's 50% to avoid all melee dmg for x seconds blah blah

The function isn't more important to me than it not working within the rules hahaha

[waxen meteor]

do you know blur works under stun too

[last jasper]

its not 50 in pvp 🙂

[jolly sierra]

me back

me dodge

[coral kettle]

Anyone ever try some shit with lethality/heavy hitter/greennwicks? I dunno what I would drop for lethality, but curious if stars align how it would pump.

[last jasper]

tell dhs 20% dr shoud save them 😄

I would agree with glimpse dodging/removing shit. But it requires some brain to pull off

[halcyon timber]

Always worth testing out man, never know till you do.

[steel scarab]

Back with some info

1. I worked hard and got my mastery from 30% up to 47%

2. I realized my CPU was not detecting my GPU and that's why the game looked so awful. lmao

[hard garnet]

is there a reason top sub rogues are using 2x daggers now?

[halcyon timber]

More energy instead of stat stick for 200 mastery

It’s preference, do as you want as it is your character man.

[tribal badger]

shadowy tech got buffed

by a lot

its very strong now

kinda an int to ur damage to run a slow oh but people are slow to adjust

also subs rarely about sustain damage anyway in pvp so the damage loss probably doesnt super matter

alot of pvp damage is feelcrafty anyway. I think its kinda troll that a majority of top outlaws stop stacking vers after like 30%

[waxen meteor]

Problem of playing PvE here -> entered solo with dh alt in 472 newbie pve gear

[tribal badger]

but rogues often dont need raw damage to win games especially in their best comps

so it hardly matters

[waxen meteor]

felt the guys were so good bursting and avoidng my dmg, arcane mage op

after got 1-5 out

fuond out i was in 472 gear

swapped

enter a new lobby

[hard garnet]

Thank you guys

[waxen meteor]

arcane mage again, beam + break + sweep, what he died in 3 globals?

[last jasper]

Cuz sub is stun bot and dead 😂

[last jasper]

What damage lose?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I'm still 100-0ing as sub in duel

Idk if that's what yall are talking about but

There it is

[steel scarab]

Dude

being in a lobby with two arms, a ret paladin, and a demon hunter

What a fun and balanced game

[jolly sierra]

i had worse games tho

DH, devoker, UHdk

[stoic spruce]

can someone send me a screenshot of the arena victory splash screen?

idc about the rating, its for a meme so you wont be able to read it

[jolly sierra]

cant, i play in spanish F

[stoic spruce]

got it

[stoic spruce]

yeah I tried to snipe it from your vods lol

[gleaming pawn]

it's always so cute when a DK fucks around and finds out, and they never seem to learn either

[stoic spruce]

I genuinely believe that DK shouldve dodged the armor nerf

because holy hell

its bad

[steel scarab]

Man

Gotta change to sub or outlaw

The spec is awful now

[coral kettle]

From assa? I found assa 2s FUCKED

SS maybe not. You'd wanna vs casters

[steel scarab]

Right but it's just always melee

Subtlety rogues outpace you with CDR, outlaws outpace you with CDR, arms and ret and DKs just eat you

Jesus Christ, can we get rid of the 15% HP changes so I can properly burst people again please

[hidden dome]

Yesterday I played against someone with Honor Level 4083

Is that even possible without exploits?

[stoic spruce]

Of course

[hidden dome]

Pikaboo, who's job it is to play PvP is only honor level 1564

[stoic spruce]

How long has he pvped with that account?

[hidden dome]

Pika? Since WoD

Not that it matters as Honorlevels were added in legion

[gleaming pawn]

If you went sweatlord no life on the honor system specifically back in legion you earned insane honor levels when it all converted

And Pika doesn’t do anything outside of arena which is a trash method of grinding honor

[hidden dome]

Fair

I just know that some of the well known exploiters also have crazy high honor levels due to exploits

[pliant mauve]

I love how “deliberate” and focused Assa plays but man is outlaw a breath of fresh air. Feels like the game just went on easy mode. Even though I’m still fucking up and running around like a coked out terrorist with a revolver I’m finding it so much quicker to climb.

[coral kettle]

See I found the opposite. I love outlaw. Super durable, constant go's. It's all around better all the time. But assa was giving me better results. However, I'm super aware that I started outlaw (I've been a rogue for 3 weeks) and tried assa the past few days so I already knew 'how to play ' somewhat. Bear in mind I'm still terrible. So my experience is mega bias

Rogue is rogue, how you want to deal your damage is your spec. So If you know rogue you know what to do. Spec is flavor.

[steel scarab]

Yeah, outlaw is like the demon hunter spec of rogue

Just mash the buttons lol

[last jasper]

Don’t ever try destro lock. U might end up in psychiatrist hospital

[wanton breach]

this seems like a bug - SD killed someone through cocoon

[surreal barn]

Not a bug

I get touch of deathed through cloak monks can suck it

[safe cloak]

you guys running the 4 peice, for sub pvp?

[tribal badger]

U get less shadowy tech procs which is less finishers during ur goes

Since shadowy tech just fills ur cp bar now

It's very stronk

But some people just want 1% more mastery

[last jasper]

How did you figure that?

Blades duration> 2 charges of dance

[surreal barn]

A rogue friend of mine ran double blue silken lining with crafted lifebound mastery boots

He was absolutely poppin off

Had engineering head and bracers too

[wanton breach]

that's a lot of mastery

[halcyon timber]

Shadowblades fills combo points thanks to finally being a solid cd.
Shadow techniques does not, it builds one and stores it along with granting 7 energy (if talented into improved version) same as Assassins 7 energy or Outlaw talents.

Shadow techniques build over time, faster weapon helps speed that up but isn’t dramatically different out of the box. SND greatly improves qol of the cadence but it isn’t any faster than how Outlaw or Assassins gain energy with their respective ways.

[halcyon timber]

Yeh finality focused builds with 116% mastery , dude was probably hitting close to 6k mastery rating. There are quite a few classes who build big ol amounts of mastery as well (feral druids allegedly utilize as much rating and mist weavers )

[vocal surge]

My forearm that I used for the keyboard is sore, its hard tryna press hotkeys

[halcyon timber]

Become ungovernable and be a Dh and just roll your butt across the keyboard to win instead.

[vocal surge]

Maybe lol

[surreal barn]

Twerk the others to death

[vocal surge]

Cast Sequence it

[halcyon timber]

Be an absolute delinquent and accidentally tab target people as enhancement

[vocal surge]

Enhancement lava burst cast be the equivalent to a night at Taco Bell with too much sriracha on them tacos

You see them little shits flying across the arena and you know to take cover or die

[halcyon timber]

Yeah tab target af along with windwalkers accidentally 40-0 people that they aren’t targeting

[jolly sierra]

huh

[waxen meteor]

Actually I see mvqdh doing double blue silken DH too

[surreal barn]

A little hard to control the timing of the stat boots on sub so I can understand the idea behind it

[waxen meteor]

People start doing double silken over main stat boots now

For spec mainly not targeted

[surreal barn]

But for assa the stat boots going off whenever is gonna be better

Even double verdant looks tempting lol

[halcyon timber]

Might f around with verdant more

I did on ptr back when we all tested stuff

Had good uptime

[surreal barn]

The uptime is insane

[halcyon timber]

Makes sense as the effects are randomized and a sizable amount smaller to compensate for balance reasons

[tribal badger]

Yes it builds 1 cp at a time. And whenever there is enough store to fill your bar, it fills your bar instantly after you press a builder (or finisher during shadowbladws). It's what leads to you being able to 1 cheap shot finish fairly often or back to back finisher very often during shadowblades

[halcyon timber]

Yep

[tribal badger]

And the difference between a slow and a fast is quite substantial

Sims are a meme in pvp but it's worth 15% raw damage for sub in pve

🤷

Its a lot of extra finishers

[halcyon timber]

The individual still builds stacks yes

Pretty damn good thing instead of old cruddy shadow techniques

[safe cloak]

is this the right helmet craft for sub pvp?

[halcyon timber]

Yes one option , the other is the engineering one some guys use along with the tier helm.

[stoic spruce]

I tried to get the victory from your vods. Get with the program.

[jolly sierra]

ah got it lol

[stoic spruce]

Goober

[nova viper]

Quesetion - if I want to play a certain class well, e.g. a mage, should I first master one spec or play each spec alternately?

[gleaming pawn]

Just start with the spec you like. Learn the core of the class and how the spec specific interacts with it, then branch out to the other specs if you want but it’s not necessary

[waxen meteor]

yeah start with the spec you love

for some classes different specs play like different classes

[last jasper]

anybody have a lock alt here?

cuz warlock discord is a meme

[waxen meteor]

I do

what's up

[last jasper]

how do u fckin survive 😄

Im literally weaving +-200 cr depends on a lobby

Like I just had a lobby where mm rapid fire me to death. while he was on fear dr

[surreal barn]

What map u on

[last jasper]

Lorderon

When u play as a caster u notice so much brain dead stuff from the healers. It’s insane

[surreal barn]

I seen a lock pillar and immolate pets to boost haste

Then come out and blow up some chaos bolts

[last jasper]

Hard to pillar at lorderon map

Mm running after u with pala

And my dh is training their healer

And the moment u are trying to juke cast u lost half hp

I can only play caster lobbies. Cuz idiots are usually die from the observer 😂

or my fav is when u tp from melee pressing cds on u. and they run to u and u die and healer after "bro u lossed me" 😄

[surreal barn]

Lordaeron has some great pillar spots

[gleaming pawn]

Sounds partially like a shitty team issue, letting a MM pop off and not have to play defensively

[surreal barn]

Sitting here at work watching what might be the awc prelims

Outlaw is smoking every team that doesn’t have one lol

[gleaming pawn]

All the subs that rerolled are going to get us nerfed ☹️

[surreal barn]

I mean they haven’t really been rolling out updates lately

Been kinda minor, maybe it will slide 😂. Don’t they not touch it during tourney time anyway

[last jasper]

Bruh

[last jasper]

We all rogues. Why only sub should suffer?)

[last jasper]

That is going to be really stupid to nerf outlaw next.

Okay, I’m done with lock. Gonna train every fuckin healer till next reset on outlaw 😂

[gleaming pawn]

Sub deserves it 🙂 but if Outlaw gets nerfed then rogue is dead this tier and probably even next

[last jasper]

Making spec dead is not deserved

[gleaming pawn]

They’ve been king for 2 expansions, they can live with it for a season

[last jasper]

I recall outlaw was good in sl

And in s1 bfa

[gleaming pawn]

Good

Not king

[last jasper]

He is king rn

Whazz and nahj were saying outlaw is superior even before sub nerfs

[gleaming pawn]

Sub has far and away been the best pvp spec for over 2 expansions when you go by seasons. Sub will be top again once the nerfs are undone from this season as well

[surreal barn]

Does CDR work on gouge too lol

[last jasper]

His toolkit makes him better than other rogue

[surreal barn]

For outlaw

[gleaming pawn]

Sub has been nerfed numerous times this season, the only reason Outlaw has started to pull ahead

[last jasper]

They were nerfing it while ppl getting more gear.

Dh was nerfed way more and it still s tier

While sub is trash

[gleaming pawn]

DH is a completely different class, why would you bother mentioning it

It also shows how bonkers strong DH was to still be that good after the nerfs

[last jasper]

Cuz u can balance class and make it still playable

Not like sub is not. But why would shoot urself in the foot when u can just spec into outlaw

[last jasper]

Dh was fine. They just shouldn’t add idiotic passive that can randomly boost all his damage up to 60%

Or even more

[waxen meteor]

well what spec...

i think warlock 3 specs are in very different stage

though all good

[last jasper]

The one that is leading ss death ratio 😂😂

[pale storm]

Remember when they did a full rogue rework at start of this season then sun and assa were basically the same and now they nerfed sun into oblivion lol blizz are wild

[waxen meteor]

affl?

[last jasper]

Destro

[waxen meteor]

Destro is gonna get trainer 247 lol

probably only if you pair with fire/marksman you might get a breath

[last jasper]

Tell me about. I feel like I have brain damage after 3 days of solo

[gleaming pawn]

No one said Subs need to stay on a severely nerfed Sub. Just annoyance that all of the rerolls are going to get a knee-jerk nerf lobbed at Outlaw which will kill the spec. It’s good right now, but I foresee them at least cutting Dispatch damage by 10% which will double nerf BtE and Dispatch

[waxen meteor]

I want to enjoy playing alt, so i am doing demo lock hahahahahaah

i don't want to be trained 247

[last jasper]

I kinda love destro stuff. Throwing bolts and golems

but I wasn;t prepared for being bullied

[last jasper]

Nerfing outlaw after sub would make ppl lose their shit real bad

[waxen meteor]

I guess destro is more finding your test during dr

and kill right back

but destro got fairly good dmg even without casting

[last jasper]

so I dont think they would. Or at least adjust some really overtuned stuff. which is okay

[waxen meteor]

and key is probably to cast fire, bite intreupt, and fear

or other way around

[last jasper]

yea, only to ur mental health 😄

[waxen meteor]

but use double schools

[last jasper]

I didn;t even know wow can make me so angry

[waxen meteor]

haha i know

i try to stay healthy so i didn't go destro haha

[last jasper]

If I knew i would throw all my conquest on mm or even war

[waxen meteor]

also i am not used to portals

[last jasper]

I'm okay with portal. Bad with gateaway. portals are op

[waxen meteor]

it also feels so werid if you have portal on your side of map

[last jasper]

only if ur healer know lock can port

[waxen meteor]

and then somehow battle goes to other side

[last jasper]

u just put a new one. its almost insta cast

[waxen meteor]

yeah

i know

but i kinda alwasy forget

cause when you push, normally you are taking adv

so you try to close the game by cc/dmg

you don't walk to another safe spot to place the portal

[last jasper]

I learned that hard way. with 90% slow trying to reach 40range to port away 😄

[waxen meteor]

when it's needed, it's too late...

[last jasper]

I just usually put it randomly if ppl ran away. So I can get move speed and 8% dr

[waxen meteor]

demo lock is fun, lots of times i got wins without realizing what i am doing

like it's easy to put healer in like 12 seconds cc chain by myself

i honestly don't even know if my pet is still attacking kill target

[last jasper]

I only have fun in caster lobby.

[waxen meteor]

destro is op in caster lobby

[last jasper]

I just put observer and go afk smoking. 😂

[waxen meteor]

i think yesterday i put a rogue out of combat for like 30 seconds

cause fear made him run to the initial open gate lol

[last jasper]

Lmao

[waxen meteor]

then i stuned, fear fear, with 70% slow then i teleported

he didn't come back for like another 10 secs lol

sometimes it's crazy to see how far people can run under fear

[last jasper]

If I have horny “me smash” on me. I bait him away into fear>bolt>fear>bolt into slow. Usually that’s enough for them to understand they made a mistake 😂

[hexed pollen]

trying out assa for bgs, im full pve gear minus the pvp trinket set, wut embellishments should i get. i have toxic thorns/decay atm?

[waxen meteor]

sigh, ret 50 and last round, a me war me leap me die

then i exited 5-1 basically without playing

[tribal badger]

outlaw pvp set almost at 10k

we will hit it

need a few more sockets

[halcyon timber]

I have zero idea but check out shadenox’s vids as he digs Assassination and recently put out some stuff concerning that.

[hexed pollen]

kk thanks

[halcyon timber]

No sweat man , didn’t see the boys say anything so figured id try to help

[hexed pollen]

appreciate it, im crushing bgs in pve gear so thought maybe get some pvp gear and try some rated

[willow valley]

hey

is assa good right now?

and how do u play assa?

[surreal barn]

Is shadenox competing? He got a stream?

[hexed pollen]

just went 10-0 k/d in a bg, with top damage lol

[hexed pollen]

spread bleeds with IC and DM kingsbane main target then laugh

for bgs, arenas prob different

[willow valley]

lol

then it might be worth it giving it a try

any good build for it?

[hexed pollen]

steal all the kills cuz dots a ticking too so funny

dis what im playing around with

[willow valley]

thx

[jolly sierra]

just youtube

[waxen meteor]

Take CT

[hexed pollen]

i sit bases so often not worth ive found

[waxen meteor]

I mean you are using an aoe build, with that I think CT works super well with dance garrote rupture shive

If you just sit base then probably you gonna go single build

Tbh I also don’t get why you don’t take tea.. but if it works great

[hexed pollen]

i agree brother, still playing around, this just seems to work for bgs, appreciate the insite as i go to rbgs, CT would prob help

[waxen meteor]

Think he has been posting video on YouTube

[hexed pollen]

its more of a mixed build so i have a little of both

im still wondering wut embellishments people take, im full pve gear so toxic boots?

[waxen meteor]

You can watch shadenox sin guide

It looks you are new to pvp

[hexed pollen]

honor lvl 623 lmao

[waxen meteor]

He shows the single build and aoe build and explains why

[waxen meteor]

But trying to use toxic boot…

[hexed pollen]

so wut embellishments?

[waxen meteor]

Most uses primary stat cc boot and blue silken head, so it works for both sub and sin

Toxic boot doesn’t do anything for pvp (almost)

[hexed pollen]

.6%

ty thou, ill go get those

[waxen meteor]

Also just take tea

There’s no reason to not take it in pvp

And drop 6cp and the haste talents leading 6cp

They also do very little in pvp

[hexed pollen]

like this

[gleaming pawn]

Not new to pvp, but can’t find https://murlok.io/

[hexed pollen]

i like to think outside the box

but ty

[gleaming pawn]

But you’re here asking for peoples opinions

[hexed pollen]

yup and got some good info

appreciate you all

[jolly sierra]

cum boots

[stoic spruce]

Try harder, you almost started an argument.

I just woke up and want to fight

[hexed pollen]

pve gear superior to pvp gear

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it be like that sometimes

[hexed pollen]

never see it coming

[potent pivot]

let's not do that

and say we did

[jolly sierra]

heh

use that in a shuffle

gl

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

Oh outlaw gang

Guess what

Idk if you knew this but non-crackshot builds still suck pp

[bold steppe]

I'm currently playing frost mage and outlaw rmp in 3s. Trying to decide if we want to stick with disc or swap to holy does anyone know which is best?

[gleaming pawn]

That’s why I had to stop, it’s exhausting dealing with these caliber of people

[stoic spruce]

It's so annoying when you're trying to start something and they're like "yeah dude I totally agree"

Like

Tf

[gleaming pawn]

Also yes, the damage difference in non-crackshot builds means no other builds exist

[gleaming pawn]

Disc is the stronger of the 2 priest healers right now, especially in the damage contributing side of things

[hexed pollen]

5-0 LETS GOO, EZ GAME

[willow valley]

nuh uh

[hexed pollen]

i mean its alreay 489...

[willow valley]

ye, but pvp is 489 also... when in combat

with players

its meant for pvp

[hexed pollen]

yeah so wuts wrong with pve gear if stats are alright

pvp trinket set of course

i get kicked from rgbs fo pve gear so sadge

[willow valley]

pvp stats set is better

[bold steppe]

Alrighty thx!

[hexed pollen]

40% vers not enough, i can get more

[gleaming pawn]

@jolly sierra new mog coming to the shop for your pandaness

[willow valley]

u mean with pvp or pve gear?

[hexed pollen]

pve

[willow valley]

oh ok

[willow valley]

uh

ugly

[jolly sierra]

she will look like a madoka magica w that

pretty fitting

lol

[stoic spruce]

we've gotten desperate

[gleaming pawn]

Popo you should play a disc priest, I have faith in you

or maybe a resto shaman

[gleaming pawn]

if only non-crackshot builds were good. I hate the RNG of either getting crackshot resets and blasting a guy, or getting none and doing fuck all for damage. It's so frustrating

it's so frustrating I'm begging blizzard for Sin/Sub drops from M+ so I can swap at least for next season. It's really fucking annoying

[steel scarab]

Is Lariat worth crafting as your second embellishment if you have 7 gem slots?

I have the boots as my first Embellishment

[coral kettle]

sims babbbyyy

[last jasper]

whos getting lua error spam frow wa?

[marsh phoenix]

someone help. what is this addon that shows spells used (globals) icon oppossite side of big debuff in nameplate?

[steel scarab]

Where can I get some decent subtlety weak auras?

All the ones I have don't have my pvp abilities in them

God it's insane this nonsense is not baked into the UI yet

[gleaming pawn]

I'm not at all, but I custom create all of my weak auras. If you are running bug grabber/bug sack it should tell you which WA is throwing the errors

[marsh phoenix]

i have weakaura that shows bugs

but i want it. anyway to fix it

[last jasper]

I only have one. from skillcap for healer cc

and it usually spam error during arenas so im not looking

actually I dont see shit cuz its not going away and I'm forced to play with lua error rest of the match

[gleaming pawn]

install bug grabber and bug sack addons, you won't get spammed like that

and you can check the issue after a match

[last jasper]

okay, tnx

I remember back in sl there was an addon or command to turn off lua errors

[marsh phoenix]

exactly how to do this

[gleaming pawn]

Install these two addons

normally when you have no errors, your minimap icon for these addons will look like this

when you get 1 or more errors, the bag will turn red

and an audio cue saying "Fatality" in a skeaky bug voice will play

[jolly sierra]

i fucking hate that fatality noise

glad i disabled it

[last jasper]

thats why I hate all these addons

damn, getting back on rogue is like blessing

[waxen meteor]

Is there a way to add kingsbane on top of enemy name plate

Like other debuffs/dots I added to enemy

[exotic dove]

^ This I have been trying to do that as well

[halcyon timber]

yeh can list white list it in an addon you dig such as plater

I completely made my elv to do all the stuff i wanna do with it such as priority listing stuff like that on a target.

Could also just make a weak aura and attach it to a nameplate instead if you wanted to

[exotic dove]

Im using the betterblizzplates and frames which I like better but with plater it might be a bug I would whitelist kingsbane dot but it would not show on the frame. I would get shiv which I like a lot just not kingsbane

I dont use plater anymore but having the same issue with betterblizzplates

[halcyon timber]

yeah probably some neat setting they made just requires some guess and check I suppose

[jolly sierra]

u can weakaura it if u wanna to

[gleaming pawn]

plater can also handle that pretty easily

[waxen meteor]

Yeah it seems to have everything displaying fine but Kb

[halcyon timber]

yeh when you make a weak aura there will be a display option for it to be customized to hang out on wherever you want on a nameplate with whatever additional options you want to do. really sick stuff.

[jolly sierra]

i just do that shit with a timer and a swipe line

works well

also can move the shit at will

[narrow tangle]

im sad that they made assa more awful i had hopes

in rework patch

[last jasper]

3d healer left in last 5ss. I got my revenge 😄

[icy ice]

So we would say Sub is still best rogue for pvp ?

[willow valley]

ye

[narrow tangle]

mr streamer says its outlaw

[surreal barn]

Same issue on plater so I made mine have a glowy border with tellmewhen

Dragged it over my normal kingsbane icon

[empty delta]

Whats my lethal poison as sin? Deadly or Wound?

[obsidian pulsar]

Depends on your setup

[last jasper]

no

[empty delta]

These are my talents. We are talking absolute garbage pvp player here that is doing just enough to get the conquest and honor needed for the mogs and thats it.

[obsidian pulsar]

Setup = ur comp what u play

[narrow tangle]

mutilate sux tho

[steel scarab]

Hello my rogue friends. I have come to accept that 1750 is my hard cap without having some kind of Diminishing Returns tracker and an important defensive cooldown tracker for my opponents so I know when they're vulnerable. Any suggestions, folks?

[narrow tangle]

do you want suggestion for tracker add ons or general suggestion?

[steel scarab]

For tracker add ons, preferably one that doesn't take much brainpower to configure, because I am old and I'm not good at that stuff

Currently my only add on is Luxthos weak aura, which is super frustrating since it doesn't track Smoke Bomb (or Shadowy Duel, for subtlety)

But I think there are add ons that track enemy defensive cooldowns like trinkets and stuff

I just don't know what they are

[surreal barn]

Diminish addon

Change icons to be the rogue ones

[steel scarab]

Subtlety in particular feels impossible to play without a defensive cooldown tracker, I went 18-0 with Subtlety and then just ran into a wall of using Shadowy Duel on people who still had two defensive cooldowns to use

[surreal barn]

They will always have some sort of cd if your partner doesn’t pump

[steel scarab]

Okay, the next time I play I will try to find the Diminish add on

[surreal barn]

Bad partner usually equals a loss at higher rating

At lower rating you can cheese wins

[steel scarab]

Yeah up to 1500 it was like a joke

Beyond that, it's like impossible to get kills without knowing if their trinket is on cooldown or not

You guys might feel proud of me though, I increased my Mastery from 30% to 80%

My versatility went down a lot though

[surreal barn]

Up until 1800 you’ll still see people not know how to burst so it is really a crapshoot

That number was lower but inflation started back I think

[steel scarab]

Yeah I had a lot of games where no opponent would ever be low enough to make Shadowy Duel worth using

And using Duel defensively feels awful

I might try Assassination again now that I have a respectable amount of Mastery, but the spec feels like it just dies so quickly

[surreal barn]

Need to use duel on healer following your successful cc chain

If you can’t secure kills with it

[steel scarab]

Aye

Problem being, I did that a few times, to remove the healer from the equation, and I'd come out of duel and both other opponents would still be at 25%

And I'm just like okay, what was my teammate doing during that duel lol

[surreal barn]

Can kidney or cheap into blind for the vanish sap if you have 2 vanishes then follow with your duel

[steel scarab]

Sounds like the mistake I'm making with subtlety is spending too much time trying to DPS and not enough time trying to create openings for teammates

[surreal barn]

DPS is irrelevant

[steel scarab]

Does the Diminish add on also track defensive cooldowns like opponents PvP trinkets?

[surreal barn]

no

[steel scarab]

Does such a thing exist, or are high level PvP players just geniuses who can sense when an opponent they haven't targeted for the whole match used their trinket?

[boreal shale]

Gladius tracks trinkets

[steel scarab]

Okay, I'll try downloading that one too, thanks!

[boreal shale]

Omnicd tracks defensives iirc

[surreal barn]

I use a cd tracker that hovers over each nameplate

Don’t remember name tho I’m at work

[empty delta]

Im doing arena shuffle and random bgs. There is no setup.

[empty delta]

What else am I supposed to use to generate cp?

[boreal shale]

Duel as a healer cc, you can 100-0 someone inside a single duel so no need to hold it til they're low

Can also duel healer as a defensive and kidney out of it to start a go

[narrow tangle]

fok

[waxen meteor]

Dps is not irrelevant but sub dps out of dance is irrelevant

[surreal barn]

it’s irrelevant if they be lookin at the final meters

[waxen meteor]

@steel scarab but jokes aside as mentioned also before, the key is always to compare your dmg output vs enemy healing output

For sub lots of times you can zug 10 seconds more after our burst, but the dmg you fully focus on is actually very low

[surreal barn]

Surprisingly a lot of people do lol

[waxen meteor]

100% lower than the HPS during the 10 sec you allow healer to heal

So on the other hand you could spend the 10 more seconds on interrupt and cc healer

So we use our 10k dps as cost to block 50k hps

So teammate can land a kill

[steel scarab]

@waxen meteor yeah my overall damage as sub is absolutely terrible

I figured that was normal for the spec though

[waxen meteor]

Yeah it’s normal

Sub is high burst low continuous dmg

[steel scarab]

I might give assassination another try though @waxen meteor

I think I went from 30% mastery to 70%

[surreal barn]

Outlaw is literally spanking rn

If I wasn’t so invested in assa atm I’d be outlaw

[waxen meteor]

i will try outlaw pve first probably, i am a bit overwhelmed by too many btms available last time i tried

[surreal barn]

Gotta have different addon I think too, Welinth has a good setup

Imma just copy his

[waxen meteor]

run into a outlaw that did like 100k dps in most rounds of my lobby

[surreal barn]

Yep, when you see the AR or dance it’s best to ask your Druid to triple cyclone and then cc them till it’s over

So they can’t get as good CDR

AWC might get outlaw nerfed tho lol

[halcyon timber]

Only pve classes are allowed to do damage like affliction

[last jasper]

I dont beleive in this

[halcyon timber]

Perception propaganda isn’t justifiable grounds for down tuning a class regardless of how people feel about x class

[gleaming pawn]

We’ll just have to wait and see. Watching Pikas pre-AWC games against Team Liquid were extremely boring slogs of dampening and the rogue damage was not what scored kills at all

Was actually funny, Pika would do his usual “kidney this guy, kill kill kill!” Stuff and the guy wouldn’t even really start dying until after Whizz started casting into the target

[waxen meteor]

Lonewolf support class

[jolly sierra]

isnt that ret? lol

[halcyon timber]

No idea what the next step is that they have planned but yeh weird lately

[surreal barn]

At least we don’t have to watch triple Aug or some shit

😂

[halcyon timber]

Doubt crit damage / healing would be bumped up either

[jolly sierra]

fucking augvokers

glad they are nerfed to hell

[waxen meteor]

my ret just now arrived 2kish at solo, last lobby i released stun on healer more than healer dispell magic stun on me....

i got a full hoj at game open

and healer didn't dispell it....

that was more than i expected....

[jolly sierra]

bruh

just fought a chicken and a fucking augvoker as assa

[stoic spruce]

The first 10.2 ptr build was the best iteration of outlaw the game has ever seen

I've never been sentimental about a ptr build

[surreal barn]

lol assa queues are like 5 mins

Hilarious

[halcyon timber]

Honest non inflammatory question: what made that solid? (I have zero idea honestly)

And “why” did it change? Goal vs design wise I guess

[stoic spruce]

Had dreadblades/marked for death, the talent positions were solid, etc. The only flaw was the poison part of the class tree.

[halcyon timber]

Yeah mfd was great

Prob some kick back from the “bloat” crowd

[stoic spruce]

What's funny is if Realz weren't so stubborn about SnD, it would've been completely solved with the audacity/broadside proc change

[halcyon timber]

Id rather have tools than not “need them”

What is the angle of Audacity/ Broadside in that regard?

[stoic spruce]

Wdym

[halcyon timber]

Pulling stuff out is never cool is what I was getting at

[stoic spruce]

Audacity changes Sinister Strike to Ambush as well as the assassination version

[halcyon timber]

Yeah DB could have been a choice node or something for you guys

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[halcyon timber]

Same time, Im no designer or developer

So I don’t know what is appropriate

[stoic spruce]

The synergy between crackshot and dreadblades felt like a hot shower after a long day.

[halcyon timber]

Ahh ok

Working mans language, now Im tracking

[stoic spruce]

Lmao

[tribal badger]

DB got deleted because it was too problematic for realz to get right (pve) and also i think he specifically wanted outlaw to have a route to make ER viable, and DB basically removed the need to ever use it

so yea pve reasons

[stoic spruce]

God I hate ER

[tribal badger]

by removing it he ensured KiR builds in pve would run ER for CP generation

[halcyon timber]

Well they, I wouldn’t put it all on him. That’s not fair to say as he just speaks to us.

[tribal badger]

im fairly sure he did the redesign of the tree. he submits it to someone over him of course to ok on it

but i dont think it was a team effort to make the tree

that generally only happens to specs that dont currently have a dev focused on them

(and is also usually not a good thing because it means you have multiple people that dont really care about ur spec just trying to give it some generic changes)

[halcyon timber]

He works hard for sure

[stoic spruce]

I think I should just quit wow

[tribal badger]

anyway the real reason he removed DB is probably because it made crackshot much more "boring" to play

[stoic spruce]

That's bull

[tribal badger]

you basically just held it for every vanish, guarenteeing every crackshot window played nearly exactly the same

as you could ignore all builder rules

and never had to think about which builder to press

[halcyon timber]

I dig

[tribal badger]

i get wanting consistency for pvp, but i also understand why he removed it with how it played with crackshot

[stoic spruce]

I hold disdain for wanting players to use ER

[tribal badger]

well I love ER so i cant relate to that, its just a shame its not good in pvp :p

i currently play kir in pve (because its becoming the dominant spec) and its decently fun

I wish HO/ER was viable xd

[halcyon timber]

I aint a fan of ER but I can step out of the way for those that do.

[stoic spruce]

Okay so what do yall want nerfed because devs keep fucking with what I play

[halcyon timber]

I dig different play styles

[tribal badger]

dh

dhdhdhdhdhdhdhdh

[stoic spruce]

Okay

[tribal badger]

god i had a double DH lobby again yesterday

kill me brother

just a bunch of batty fuks zooming around bluring every other stun

[stoic spruce]

I mained unholy and outlaw for years. Now idgas about what happens to either

I'd unironically have more fun fotm rerolling

[halcyon timber]

I fought a lot in the pve channels, glad the big man heard some of it out at least

I don’t subscribe to “only this way”

Regardless of us pvpers being prodded a lot

[stoic spruce]

I miss flag/greenskin outlaw so damn bad

[halcyon timber]

Someone yesterday brought up gsw can still crank yeah? (W/o crackshot stuff)

[stoic spruce]

Nerfed greenskin too

[halcyon timber]

Frig

[stoic spruce]

Not really

[halcyon timber]

Why’s that?

Asking to understand, not poke btw

[stoic spruce]

How could it? It just doesn't do a lot and pistol shot isn't where our damage is at these days.

[tribal badger]

i mean

greenskin is fine

its not as strong as cto probably

maybe even kspree

[halcyon timber]

I would not know man

[tribal badger]

its not like its worthless, just not as good

[stoic spruce]

It was a rhetorical question lol

[halcyon timber]

Gotcha

[tribal badger]

i think u see alot of random stuff in outlaws builds among even top players rn because u really dont need to 100% optimize damage to win games anyway

alot are just playing it like sub rogue, holding stuff for goes, setting up goes

very rogue like, instead of pveing at the enemy

like i think its 99% troll to dump vers for mastery at any point in time as outlaw

[stoic spruce]

As long as you have the bottom left of the outlaw tree, it's generally a decent build.

[tribal badger]

but almost all top outlaws are 30% vers like 30% mastery

I know people dont like using sims for pvp but if u look at laws damage in a crackshot window, or damage breakdown in general in pvp, its very very similar to pve

and in pve, vers is 2-3X as good as mastery on one guy, even past the second DR

people legit going to 50% vers in pve rn

[halcyon timber]

Sounds kinda cool

Like closing the gap I guess

For a big picture in a way

[tribal badger]

i personally have 47% vers in pvp rn no mastery and my damage seems very similar to the top players I watch (obviously i dont play as well as them pvp wise, im not a god gamer or anything)

so you dont really need to be fully optimized for damage to perform well as rogue in pvp in general

yea idk they look at their breakdowns and their mastery is like 3-4% more overall them mine

but they are giving up 13-15% damage on all other sources for it

now to be fair, usually DRs do matter

laws secondaries are all just so bad, that they dont for it

laws secondaries basically breakdown to "what makes crackshot window damage go up"

and the answer to that is like, crit to around 40% ish, then everything versa

yea idk i think mastery is trolling, but clearly it doesnt matter all that much

and thats not even considering the 5-7% additional DR you gain over them

sitting here with 25% DR from vers

at all times

helps with natural cleave and such yea

[halcyon timber]

Pistol talent + deadened nerves + elusiveness yehhh boy

[tribal badger]

god the new PS talent is so nice feel sooooooo tanky this season

any solo shuffle lobby where the melee go me i'm just like yes

we auto win this in dampening

[halcyon timber]

That’s pretty slick

[tribal badger]

rotate ur 40s cd evasion with feint and natural tankiness

[halcyon timber]

Combat was always durable as heck

Elusiveness all day

[tribal badger]

cheat was good when people were dying in a stun but ive started dropping it

feels so hard to die in a stun now a day

especially post sub nerf

nothing feels like it will global me in a stun unless I wasnt topped before a go which is on my for not proactivly feinting

[stoic spruce]

The pre feint before a stun

[boreal shale]

that's if you have evasion up, cheat death is just another big defensive

[stoic spruce]

I'm am above dying in a stun

[tribal badger]

well for law evasions always up

for basically any set of Cds the enemy team can have anyway

and feint literally is always up

you can maintain 100% feint uptime if you need to

(wouldnt recommend tho its a pretty expensive thing)

[halcyon timber]

It’s pretty sick

[stoic spruce]

Literally a rune tap for rogues

[boreal shale]

it's pretty much having a few small defensives vs having a big defensive

[stoic spruce]

I still 100-0 in duel so idk

Wish they went to assa

[boreal shale]

i still kill people in the opener every few games at 2200 mmr

[stoic spruce]

Tired of all these fake outlaws

[boreal shale]

not sure about subt doing 0 dmg

[stoic spruce]

No you're not

You don't even know what exaggerating means

[stoic spruce]

Except when cheat death is spent, that's it.

[boreal shale]

yeah it's a once per game big defensive

you can play around it too

[stoic spruce]

Elusiveness prevents you from even getting to that point

[boreal shale]

it's never cut and dry like that

most of the times when i find cheat death useful is for win next go situations

you basically guarantee your win a go early

[stoic spruce]

You if you don't win in the next 6 minutes

[tribal badger]

Ah ya I mean vs certain setup comps I'd certainly still play cheat

But even around 2400 rating teams in shuffle r rarely coordinating to the level where I wouldnt rather elusivness

I was mainly talking shuffle

[boreal shale]

ah yeah i never play shuffle

[gleaming pawn]

The Pika simps are hilarious. For context he’s not using BtE during his crackshot windows, and some commenter asked why

[jolly sierra]

i fucking hate streamers npcs

that is the reason we have heavy shiftings in classes

[halcyon timber]

Cultists shift classes for sure. Its not cool.

[jolly sierra]

ye, not cool, instead playing by themselves needs to rely in a streamer to take a decision

if the streamer hasnt any position about something they neither

[last jasper]

Well he knows how outlaw works just sometimes cheap shoting ppl more. Still funny comments

[tribal badger]

oh well if hes cheap shotting for cc thats one thing, i assumed he was dispatching instead of bteing

[steel scarab]

Is it okay to have low versatility for Assassination?

I swapped a lot of gear to have more mastery and my versatility dropped a lot

[jolly sierra]

no

i have 37% and 70% mastery

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah he was dispatching constantly instead of BtE

[tribal badger]

yea ok thats a meme

could also be a bug with his gcd display tho

id be very surprised if he was doing that

crackshot casts a dispatch for each bte and logs pick it up as a distinct cast of dispatch so wouldnt surprise me if his gcd tracker is picking up those dispatches

[last jasper]

That’s quite funny assuming he doesn’t know how to play outlaw. Prob a challenge from a viewers.

[last jasper]

Yea, usually it shows bte with dispatch during dance

[steel scarab]

@jolly sierra oh wow

I guess I have to work on getting my versatility up some more then

[last jasper]

Oh that a vid from awc qualifying

[steel scarab]

I'm hoping I didn't make a mistake crafting the Needlessly complex wristguards and the engineering helmet

I think I still have one spark left

[jolly sierra]

check my armory

[steel scarab]

How do I see it

[stoic spruce]

i WOULD LOVE sLICE AND dICE TO BE LIKE WARRIORS BATTLE SHOUT

[tribal badger]

u can always change the stats on ur engi stuff

[stoic spruce]

caps

[tribal badger]

change one to vers if u think ur low

not sure how much vers sin runs tho to be clear

[steel scarab]

@tribal badger that's true, good point, I would lose a fair but of mastery, I think it'd put me around 55% if I changed one to versatility

[jolly sierra]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/sanguino/meimei

[steel scarab]

Ah, you're only wearing the 2 piece, that information does help

I'm wearing 4 pieces

[exotic dove]

I agree with Panda not ideal to have lower than 30% vers outside of pvp combat. Seems like 33% or higher is the sweet spot then mastery

[steel scarab]

I can drop to two pieces

That is good to know

[exotic dove]

Im a little bit lower on my Rogue Im 33% to 34% vers in pvp combat with 70% mastery give or take

[willow valley]

i think im at the same

maybe 30% vers and 74% mastery

but i prefer mastery honestly

[exotic dove]

I have a rogue I experimented with four set for assa (nice have 3 rogues to try different things) but he has the lowest vers at 29% in pvp combat and its actually noticable that Rogue will not be a four set user anymore they all going the same thing soon. Shoot for at least 33% or more vers

30% is fine if you can make it work

but lower than that I think its miserable territory weird how that works out

but its what I noticed for me

My 2s healer did confirm the 33% vers he didnt have to heal me as much and it felt better for him

37% for you @jolly sierra must feel great

I just not sure what I would switch out my damage profile feels really good right now

sorry for wall of text

[willow valley]

oh im sub

[jolly sierra]

that flat damage plus the mastery and balanced crit feels nice af

[willow valley]

idk if its the same for that

[jolly sierra]

stats were heavenly balanced for me

[exotic dove]

I have dabbled in sub and I tend to like a lot of mastery for sub

[jolly sierra]

can recheck as sub later if u wanna to

[steel scarab]

@exotic dove that wasn't a wall of text, it was very helpful!

[willow valley]

true

[willow valley]

but are stats the same for assa and sub?

[waxen meteor]

i don't think 29% vs 33% are that much of diff

[exotic dove]

That is good to hear swapping out the neck cause I am using crafted one would probably grant me near or at your vers

[waxen meteor]

but overall vers is very good stat for sin, even after 30%

[exotic dove]

Its weird you wouldnt think so but my healer said this 2s sess on the one rogue I was easier to heal compared to the other day

That is why its weird

This is at 2100-2200 cr range

[waxen meteor]

it's just 2% less dmg taken

[exotic dove]

Yeah I honestly dont know

[waxen meteor]

most likely the difference is casue of match up

[exotic dove]

It was a 2 hour session

[jolly sierra]

im pandaren so i can cheat more versa tho

but baseline is 37 i recall

[jolly sierra]

sub has more mastery

[exotic dove]

Ive played with him since Legion too and he wasn't BSing me

[waxen meteor]

i am 33% vers, 79%mastery with 21% crit

0 haste as sin

[surreal barn]

That’s what my properly geared one is at

[waxen meteor]

my vers is lower than what i want to be for sin, but it shares same gear with sub

so...

i am fine with that

[gleaming pawn]

Vers is just a great stat for Rogue period

[waxen meteor]

like 1% swap from vers/mastery doesn't change anything

[willow valley]

and how would % be?

[exotic dove]

@willow valley Sub I have less vers than I do as Assa with conquest cap removed I have around 28% vers as Sub and like over 100% mastery I will have to log in and check

[jolly sierra]

need to check

[willow valley]

100?

damn

how u get that much

[exotic dove]

Yeah Sub my mastery is high percentage

[waxen meteor]

my DH had two awesome wins in a lobby, then remain 4 games my healer got all one shotted

my brain

[exotic dove]

Sub gains more % mastery than Assa does if I put my sub gear on Assa it would only be 80% as Assa give or take

[jolly sierra]

ye wasnt lying as assa

[exotic dove]

but its over 100% for sub

[exotic dove]

I knew you weren't

[jolly sierra]

as sub

[exotic dove]

My vers as sub is lower its like 27% outside of pvp but mastery is in the 100% for me

[jolly sierra]

nice nice

yeah 100% mastery as sub is for beasts

[waxen meteor]

tbh sub isn't a bad kill target nowadays

[jolly sierra]

i love going subs as ret or warr

[waxen meteor]

get low with cleave

and quick swap will get a kill or major cd

[exotic dove]

Might be because I play alot of Assa too but when I play Sub I feel like a big livelord

[waxen meteor]

depends on how much cleave dmg on you

[steel scarab]

I also think I'm gonna swap to Elusiveness

[willow valley]

huh

[jolly sierra]

i was always using elusiveness

[steel scarab]

Matches go so long, Cheat Death doesn't feel as impactful as it did before

[willow valley]

is my gear ok?

[waxen meteor]

no it looks bad

you need transmog

[willow valley]

😭

[willow valley]

no

it looks good

also

hehe

[waxen meteor]

jokes aside, i think we basically geared like this now

for sin/sub

[willow valley]

ye

[waxen meteor]

sin probably should use conquest cloak more

[willow valley]

maybe i need the neck u have

i like the head

[waxen meteor]

but i am too lazy to take another spot in my bag

[willow valley]

so im not removing that

[willow valley]

but what are ur stats?

[waxen meteor]

#pvp message

[willow valley]

k

i just have a little bit less vers and a little bit more mastery than u

but i think im ok with 83 mastery

[waxen meteor]

as sub or sin

i actually don't even know how to have more mastery atm

[willow valley]

if i can have 97 or so it would be awesome

[willow valley]

x2

[waxen meteor]

i mean when do you have more mastery than me under sin..

[willow valley]

i have 83

its just 4% difference

[waxen meteor]

from where

are you using 88 mastery gem or what

[willow valley]

engineering googles

fuck

i cant play assa

i dont have a dagger in the offhand 😭

[jolly sierra]

XD

[willow valley]

then im going back to play with my dk

[jolly sierra]

he is going sub check the screen

[hard garnet]

I had a lot of fun playing outlaw today, what's wrong with me?

[gleaming pawn]

You like to live fast, highest apm spec in the game!

[surreal barn]

Assa/aug in 3s is actually fun lol

[waxen meteor]

Aug can still play?

I literally saw zero Aug this season in solo….

[surreal barn]

lol had my first

[boreal shale]

why the crit dagger?

subt can go mastery on crafted dagger and mace

[waxen meteor]

Main hand item level first

[boreal shale]

is 3 ilvl that big of a difference to run crit tho

[waxen meteor]

yeah

[coral kettle]

High apm. High survivability. Short cooldowns. Less planning. All around good times !

[boreal shale]

did you sim it

i'm trying to but raidbot doesn't seem to have a pvp option

[gleaming pawn]

there is no universe where weapon damage (ilvl) is not the biggest and most important upgrade. Trying to get ~200 mastery over 3ilvl on your mainhand is insanity

everything we do is calculated off of our MH weapon damage first and foremost

[jolly sierra]

main hand is priority

with highest ilvl

regardless the stats

[waxen meteor]

i don't think you need to sim it

in pvp it has been main hand ilevel first forever...

also crit isn't that bad

[boreal shale]

i asked a friend and he said mastery is more important than 3 ilvl

[waxen meteor]

your friend is weird

what's rogue first conquest item

just ask this to yourself

always main hand weapon

[exotic dove]

Yeah with the exception of offhands all the sub and assa rogues including my Rogues have conquest weapon on main hand

regardless if its crit or not

[gleaming pawn]

also by all means, stop asking people with more knowledge than your friend, if you're just going to ignore us and say your friend says X

[boreal shale]

i mean my friend is an mglad rogue main, i'm just asking for opinions

it's not that deep

[gleaming pawn]

then feel free to fuck off and stop wasting our time 🙂

[boreal shale]

?

why are you so angry?

i literally was asking for input not disregarding anyone

[narrow tangle]

ign?

of your friend*

[boreal shale]

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Area 52/Genkbtw

i'm not saying anyone is wrong here, he also doesn't care about gear so he's just talking from how he gears his chars

but i feel like it's unnecessary to be that angry about me talking about another person's input

[waxen meteor]

tbh,

i dont think it's a question

also i think all top rogue is using conquest dagger

and as discussed here, if you use sub tea build, crit is one of the desired stat, nothing to avoid

[boreal shale]

i'm running echo build

it feels better than tea

[waxen meteor]

yeah tea build is dying

[tribal badger]

they kinda overbuffed er

the notes said like 49% but it was actually closer to 75%

and sub even has armor pen for it

[boreal shale]

what the fuck was that other guy on about i'm still shocked

[waxen meteor]

tbh your 'but my friend said' is a bit annoying

it's surely not offensive at all

but it's not something that makes others comfortable

[boreal shale]

yeah like i said he doesn't care about gear but he's definitely qualified to give inputs so that's the only reason i said it

not saying anyone here is wrong

[narrow tangle]

is there an increase of outlaw players or is it coincidence

[waxen meteor]

i think there is

it's way more common in lobbies these weeks

[narrow tangle]

why tho

[waxen meteor]

prbly more dropped sub in solo

[jolly sierra]

we can bring a mglad here and ask wtf is he using as main hand if u wanna to

[boreal shale]

dude it literally does not matter

i'm just asking to see if there's any number behind it

why are people so fucking heated over other people having opinions? it's not like only people in this discord can ever share their points?

And this is the third time i've said this if you can't read but i'm not saying anyone is wrong here because i don't have the numbers.

[last jasper]

cuz after getting ur opinion here u went with "my mglad friend said otherwise". at which point Seijuro pointed you a way

which I completely understand

[boreal shale]

Yeah i presented an opposing opinion to see what they think about it. I don't think it's ever wrong to disagree with anyone even if they're rank 1

If they pointed out that my friend was wrong which they did then i'd gladly accept it

[last jasper]

So Mr seijuro told you what he thinks about that

I completely agree with him at this point

[boreal shale]

What he thinks about that is i just ignored it which i'd just not have asked if i did

How hard is it to say "no that's wrong" instead of "fuck you how dare you question us"

[last jasper]

You said you wanted an opinion and now u want us to prove someone wrong. It seems you don’t know yourself what u actually want here. Except wasting our time

[jolly sierra]

also, if u are here asking stuff

literal is because you wanna our opinion

instead insta dishing it with ur friend

u wanna know the true reason about those 3 ilvl?

[radiant glen]

woah woah woah

oomfies

pls no fighting

we kill ppl in arena not in discord

[jolly sierra]

its because ALL ur overall offensive abilities are calculated with weapon damage

mastery will affect just your finisher damage compared to your overall damage

if u are going sub

that is it

[boreal shale]

I asked 2 people and they have opposing opinions, then i told one the others. Is that not a thing at all? Where you actually tell people where they fucked up?

[boreal shale]

No one's even dishing anyone, i didnt tell him what you guys said and only asked for his take

[jolly sierra]

you did

[boreal shale]

This here was all i needed. I don't know who was wrong and i asked for it

[last jasper]

And you've got an answer for that question too. But you didn't like it and u pulled my friens is glad like it should make any diference

[jolly sierra]

after being unsatisfied with our opinions

[boreal shale]

I pulled it cz someone brought it up?

[jolly sierra]

he is not wrong

[boreal shale]

I literally didn't say a word more until they did first

Yeah i agree with him and that was what i brought up my friend's opinion for, to see if he was wrong

Fourth time i said this, i'm NOT SAYING ANYONE'S WRONG HERE

[jolly sierra]

dunno

if all of us are mad here

for what you said

idk who is wrong tbh

[boreal shale]

Can you read the message above that?

[boreal shale]

Like i just said in the message above, i didnt say a word until someone brought it up

[radiant glen]

If the discussion is regarding the stats on the mainhand conquest weapon

its ilvl vs secondary stats ultimately

typically you'll see people choose ilvl for the dmg with the consideration that the more optimised your crafted gear gets, the more mastery you get and the faster you hit DRs, whereas agi is less optimised

losing the 3 ilvls gets more mastery, can be done while gearing, but is much less common once you minmax

regardless the gameplay impact is so tiny and there's not much point arguing semantics of what happened before now that ive laid it all out

[mortal jay]

https://gyazo.com/2e3be9af1a888ea9790d1e51ee37c865

it was a very specific set of circumstances

but that 1mil kings bane made me giggle

[jolly sierra]

maybe was because his confidence to say "mastery is more important than 3 ilvl"

ppl here disregards stuff when is wrong

to avoid misinformating

[radiant glen]

you're in this channel every day and still write shit that does nothing but perpetuate arguments, surely you've got something better to do

[boreal shale]

And he was wrong for that. I wanted to see if it was wrong so i brought it up