Oh! I meant to ask this forever ago.
Is anyone else's focus Marco for shadowstep, kick broken?
#pvp
surreal barn
What’s your macro look like
wary moss
1 sec just got home
Very basic
#showtooltip Shadowstep
/cast [target=focus] Shadowstep
/cast [target=focus] Kick
gleaming pawn
Shadow step focus macros have been broken since DF pre-patch, if you weren't playing rogue back then you probably didn't get the fix
#showtooltip
/cleartarget [mod]
/cast [mod:ctrl,@focus,exists,nodead] Shadowstep
/cast [mod:ctrl,@focus,exists,nodead] Kick
/cast [mod:alt,@mouseover,exists,nodead] Shadowstep
/targetlasttarget [mod]
/stopmacro [mod]
/cast Shadowstep
wary moss
Shadow step focus macros have been broken since DF pre-patch, if you weren't pla...
Ahhh yeah I just dusted my rogue off after the rework
wary moss
#showtooltip
/cleartarget [mod]
/cast [mod:ctrl,@focus,exists,nodead] Shadowstep...
I will give this a try! Ty!
shadow creek
Agree to disagree my friend 🙂
Agreed, a straight up blanket buff to damage would be too much
surreal barn
Alright so @gleaming pawn is right, but I’ve actually been using an addon that is incredibly useful. It edits your macro capability by letting you just type something like “@enemyhealer” and it does the rest. I’ll have to find it when I’m back from vacation
last jasper
lmao, pressed q to check how long it would show time to wait. Insta pop and
jolly sierra
xd
cosmic thistle
@jolly sierra uknow i left a match and now i won 3 games cause i trolled a bit and i got 120 elo from 3 winsss???
jolly sierra
<@239851547935113216> uknow i left a match and now i won 3 games cause i trolle...
u didnt lost mmr from last match w that
cuz u got dced
cosmic thistle
oh i see
hard garnet
Does sin play 4pc in ss?
wintry dew
Afaik no
jolly sierra
nuh uh
cosmic thistle
loving games with a bad healer so u can only win 3 games:)
surreal barn
I suggest pressuring the good healer when he’s on the enemy team from the start
If he’s in your bracket with the lower healer chances are he ain’t that good
cosmic thistle
If he’s in your bracket with the lower healer chances are he ain’t that good
huh?
the healer had 0 wins kekw
Have a very big conernc should i play with acrobatic or cb?
cosmic thistle
Gz bro, what did u do diff too rank more?
vocal surge
i'll be honestly, I was just playing like usual ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Just CCing more probably
Its something I haven't really thought much of whilst climbing
Just figuring out when to swap targets and when to CC is the big thing
also knowing target prio
One thing I do a lot
in between ranked games is skirms
Started to learn how to avoid Infernals from locks recently
forgot what the spec is called but ye, its almost like avoiding psychic scream from priests
wintry dew
forgot what the spec is called but ye, its almost like avoiding psychic scream f...
destruction warlock
vocal surge
Aye thx
wintry dew
And big gz homie, lets fucking go
vocal surge
Yep
Jeeze
I just played this paladin like a cat n mouse
Lad chased till he decided to heal (he had all defensives up)
then I got my reset
First go in pop him down to 25%
there goes his divine shield
and I vanish
2nd go, I cheap him into a Shield of Vengeance and
blind
poof
reset again
and now I go back in again and there goes LoH and he's dead from Shadow Dancec
wintry dew
the huge number of gos he can just decline you in a press of a buttom
wintry dew
poor guy, for 30 secs after LoH he had nothing xD
vocal surge
Yep
my partner died at the start
andd left me to fight a ele shammy at 50% hp (that I bursted) and paladin in full hp
vocal surge
Ooof
wintry dew
btw you were doing 2's with what other class, resto?
vocal surge
Outlaw
Me n Welinth did 2s as Double Outlaw
Waiting for him to get his PC and Monitor back up and if available before continuing the 2s ladder climb
lol
cosmic thistle
the healer said iam hard stuck i just got here 😦
vocal surge
Ooof
wintry dew
the healer said iam hard stuck i just got here 😦
did you talk shit to him?
cosmic thistle
nope try help him but insta flame XD
wintry dew
how could you help him if you don't know his class 😛
cosmic thistle
that he should predict they focus him right away
and will burst fully
and cc us
he also hated cause i have 900 rounds played
cosmic thistle
yes
vocal surge
Dang
wintry dew
thats what he meant with hardstuck xD
vocal surge
I have 1/3 of that
cosmic thistle
how u think i prgress
wintry dew
i have 1/7 of that
vocal surge
most of them just came from casually playing at +1.9k
cosmic thistle
well i cant say iam hard stuck cause iam only goign up
vocal surge
What's your rating rn?
vocal surge
That's good
wintry dew
bro 900 rounds of SS is still SO MANY QUEUES
cosmic thistle
ahahahha
wintry dew
I admire your passion tho
cosmic thistle
well iam on a bet
wintry dew
this season i got 1.8 in 60 rounds
vocal surge
What's the bet?
wintry dew
if he gets to 2.2k this season, mage disarmer gotta pay him 100k
vocal surge
That's gonna be one long grind
especially when it gets "harder" the higher you climb
cosmic thistle
its just a about cc and target switch and when too burst
wintry dew
I'm praying for you my man
wintry dew
its just a about cc and target switch and when too burst
yeah pretty much
cosmic thistle
just discovered that switching talents is a big diff
cosmic thistle
would u play with cold blood or acrobatic?
cosmic thistle
took shadenox build and switched acrobatic for cold blood was single target build
wintry dew
If you feel better playing that way then go acro
cosmic thistle
i mean acro is good but cb is aslo good kb with full bleeds and somone with 50% hp gg
cant wait too i meet better people this guys are brain dead
wintry dew
before you continue
lets just remind ourselves that you have 900 rounds of SS and you are still at 1500 CR, so don't judge other players
cosmic thistle
yes and 900 took no time imagen with 900 more
wintry dew
900, average queu time is about 20 to 30 minutes for 6 rounds
cosmic thistle
thats what sucks with pvp so anoying just sitting in this dc and chatting
wintry dew
around 150 SS pops
if you waited, lets say, 15 to 20 minutes
its around 37H of queuing
wintry dew
You're playing with people who most likely have jobs and real life stuff going on, xD
I speak for myself, but one of the reasons i usually stop at 1800 its because i'm wasting time in Queu that i could be using to do something else
cosmic thistle
i have 168hours right now
cosmic thistle
pve is so boring getting max gear for what
cosmic thistle
well pve was fun on aion but on wow nah
wintry dew
how do you tell that, if you have 168 hours of wow, where probably 90% of those were doing pvp?
cosmic thistle
hahahahaha cant help it itsa dicease
wintry dew
Clearly
cosmic thistle
do u get anything thing usable for reaching higer ranks?
wintry dew
PvP in this game is actually such a "side activity" it hurts
cosmic thistle
higher*
cosmic thistle
u guys are just jealous
cosmic thistle
mounts are cool thats prob why i would do dunegons or raid
wintry dew
most of them come from pve, not pvp
cosmic thistle
got the astral drake cloud serpent first try so i dont need another mount
cosmic thistle
24
wintry dew
thats actually many mounts
cosmic thistle
wtf
last jasper
well pve was fun on aion but on wow nah
pve. in aion. lmao
wintry dew
pve. in aion. lmao
Oooh tell me more
last jasper
like wow can be many things. But pve in aion
cosmic thistle
aion out classes this
last jasper
aion out classes this
yea, sure. That's why it died in 4 month
wintry dew
So @last jasper Can you explain me how does the player that did a total of 1 dungeon thinks Aion out classes WoW Pve?
last jasper
So <@177484884070236162> Can you explain me how does the player that did a total...
idk, mate. Its not even matter of taste. I played aion back in the day. I couldn't even recall any pve in that game rn 😄
cosmic thistle
idk, mate. Its not even matter of taste. I played aion back in the day. I couldn...
i pvp
last jasper
https://tenor.com/view/futurama-things-just-got-interesting-very-interesting-gif...
I remember back in legion. we had a guy in our grp, he kept telling us how Tera is best mmo ever and wow is shit 😄
Dh main, btw
wintry dew
So he already was losing IQ at that stage
But for real, someone telling me that this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTPBKzb6mfA
gleaming pawn
losing it, or had none to begin with hence they chose DH
wintry dew
is better than https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAX7Du1YGG8
cosmic thistle
But for real, someone telling me that this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTPBK...
holy fuck that was ahrd
hard
dropped best dagger and sword for pvp
gleaming pawn
I was going to say it looks like a cheap EQ knock off from 20 years ago, but then I looked up the release date and it basically was
cosmic thistle
i mean yes
but the pvp was so hard and it was very fun
rogue was so extermly hard u guys wouldnt last a day
wintry dew
xDDDDD
cosmic thistle
iam fr
last jasper
rogue was so extermly hard u guys wouldnt last a day
cuz everyone was playing archer, lmao
cosmic thistle
well the game was shit but fun
learned alot from there that is very usable in wow
wintry dew
well the game was shit but fun
cosmic thistle
like follow etc
last jasper
https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-thousand-yard-stare-stare-tiktok-wtf-gif-12206...
yea, pretty much
gleaming pawn
reminds me of this
people not playing Outlaw just don't know the double edged sword that is the highest APM spec in the game
wintry dew
people not playing Outlaw just don't know the double edged sword that is the hig...
I've recently started doing keys as outlaw, my wrists hurt
expecially on vanish / SD windows
gleaming pawn
yeah if my keys group waits to do all 8 of our vault keys until the last minute, my wrists are screaming at me by the end of the night
cosmic thistle
iam winning only 3 games iam so bad
gleaming pawn
but honestly, it's fun a fuck. I hate doing PvE as Sin or Sub. Feels like playing in slow motion
wintry dew
but honestly, it's fun a fuck. I hate doing PvE as Sin or Sub. Feels like playin...
all done has outlaw, can you imagine what i was farming? xD
gleaming pawn
trinket farms are the fucking worst
wintry dew
Since im a sin main, i have branch and hourglass 😦
cosmic thistle
@wintry dew somone said that when u get 2100 u get like a weapon enchant is it good?
gleaming pawn
hourglass isn't bad for outlaw keys
wintry dew
<@256188402116984832> somone said that when u get 2100 u get like a weapon ench...
cosmetic, like every other pvp reward
last jasper
all done has outlaw, can you imagine what i was farming? xD
Jeez, I loved tol dagor back in the day. shooting ur grp from cannons. mmm
wintry dew
Jeez, I loved tol dagor back in the day. shooting ur grp from cannons. mmm
It was lovely when people knew how to group the mobs up for the cannons
cosmic thistle
Actually this is a pvp channel🤓
wintry dew
hourglass isn't bad for outlaw keys
my bad, sandglass
last jasper
It was lovely when people knew how to group the mobs up for the cannons
yea. Blizz actually nerfed them. they have limited amout of shots rn
wintry dew
yea. Blizz actually nerfed them. they have limited amout of shots rn
Was like that when i did my first KSM on bfa
during the last season
last jasper
Oh. I wasn't playing last season much.
last jasper
Bfa was the last addon I played pve. Had a few normal\heroic in SL and that's it
wintry dew
Egoist you're german right?
last jasper
they dropped the ball with dungeons after bfa
last jasper
Egoist you're german right?
nope, ukrainian
wintry dew
i keep reading german people calling WoW expansions as Addons
last jasper
We called it addon as well
wintry dew
It just doesnt make sense in my head, ive tried xD
last jasper
That’s actually funny. Haven’t notice it before u mentioned
wintry dew
Atleast for me over the years, addons are just additional stuff you put in your game like gladius addon, bartender addon, etc
dragonflight is an expansion
last jasper
I didn’t even knew there were addons until I started playing wow 😂
gleaming pawn
that's just because them Europeans are weird folk 🙂
last jasper
That’s actually synonym. So
cosmic thistle
i hate the things on greound who makes my stelth go away
jolly sierra
@stoic spruce did the stuff i told u in the xmas tale
fucking delicious, did like 30
surreal barn
Looks good I’ll take two thanks
stoic spruce
<@530563212093947914> did the stuff i told u in the xmas tale
Yooooooooo
That looks amazing
jolly sierra
Looks good I’ll take two thanks
sure thing go ahead
vocal surge
Outlaw Rogue: Smokes bomb me after a kidney
Me in the kidney shot: "Im not in here with you, you're in here with me." Nukes his health down to 10%
jolly sierra
That looks amazing
thank u thank u
vocal surge
^
last jasper
heat starts raising from 1k6+
not so sure, but pretty much
cosmic thistle
heat starts raising from 1k6+
ok
last jasper
That’s actually insane how ppl can predict stuff like that. Cuz visually I can’t see shit. Barely a storm bolt
vocal surge
Dancin' in skirms
cosmic thistle
iam harsstuck i admit
holy fuck
done 4 games i win 3 games all time
How i learn when and what target too swirch think thats my problem and energy
cosmic thistle
Think iam playing abit shir cause its 3am
jolly sierra
see ya
vocal surge
cya
I have some strong premonition lol
predicted spriest casting shadow crash and fully avoided it
while hammering their ally
jolly sierra
normally the easiest prediction for me is when healer becomes cced
and they were already hitting me
shadow creek
Thank you!
Yeah it’s not a testament to my skill, it’s the result of so few Outlaw rogues in BGs
Easy to rank when there aren’t many other fools to compete with 🙂
jolly sierra
just noticed i can use a gif of my own for PFP
but is still xmas so ill still use the hat lol
gleaming pawn
can't believe top 10 US Outlaw is only 1700. That's just insane
shadow creek
Yep, I’ve played over 80 BGs this season and have seen maybe one other outlaw. Most rogues I see are sin, with a few sub here and there.
nova viper
Finally 1800, thank god
poooogu
nova viper
just noticed i can use a gif of my own for PFP
go sleep spanish boy
brazen drift
How i learn when and what target too swirch think thats my problem and energy
Referring to your what target to switch to comment, swaps are usually based on enemy positioning, overuse of defensives or general squishiness, although the latter I don't really know too much intricacies with it. Diminish & Gladius are really useful to spot these when you're learning to figure out swaps, generally watching streamers like Nahj helped me to spot it also 
vocal surge
Finally 1800, thank god
what category o.o
last jasper
Referring to your what target to switch to comment, swaps are usually based on e...
I watch them almost constantly. And choosing target is my problem too.
I found out that when I play other melee specs I have more success with switchin target and closing game after. (More often its a healer)
brazen drift
May not work for everyone, as I'm just a 1.9k scrub but generally I follow order of priority:
- Defensive
- Positioning
- Squish
So what defensives has X used in my first go, did the Priest I'm against commit Pain Supp on this Hunter I'm hitting? Yes, perfect, let's try and get his second one now by swapping to the other DPS whilst it's up.
Where is the Resto Druid currently in this next game? Is he behind a pillar whilst I have his DPS CC'd? Are his hots up on both DPS or just one? If so then you can swap to the none-hots, or jump on him for some pressure.
I may be wrong, but currently all specs is about pressure, and a little bit of mindgames too consistently setting it up so that people panic. Sin, spread pressure, force them to get low, maybe overcommit some hots, a defensive that isn't needed. Sometimes I've seen people commit Pain Supp before I Sepsis on Sub, which is something to spot, etc.
Targeting works the same way, positioning first and foremost, who can you catch out in the open, behind a pillar, has the warrior just suddenly charged behind to try and pressure your healer? Where is his healer during this attempt, can you get a kidney and force a defensive or put his healer in a bad position to swap onto them. etc.
Again, I'm only 1.9, so I don't know everything but usually this is what works for me, for most games. All about looking for that "moment". Or, just play Sub, force pressure with first go, run, reset, hit the mf without the defensive.
Oh and abuse BigDebuffs, unless you're absolutely committing to someone through a defensive, soon as you spot the defensive go up on your target, switch to the other DPS/Healer depending on their positioning.
Sorry for the spiel, I play both Assa/Sub, so I was trying to explain the mumbo jumbo of both and may have mixed it 
last jasper
Sorry for the spiel, I play both Assa/Sub, so I was trying to explain the mumbo ...
Nah, it’s okay. 👍
marsh ridge
May not work for everyone, as I'm just a 1.9k scrub but generally I follow order...
great explanation, which addons do you use to identify if they ysed pain supp on one dps? do you track them on nameplate?
last jasper
great explanation, which addons do you use to identify if they ysed pain supp on...
Big Debuffs
marsh ridge
thats for debuffs, for big cds?
proven kayak
playing sub at ssr its self harm
brazen drift
great explanation, which addons do you use to identify if they ysed pain supp on...
BigDebuffs for seeing if it's on them at the time.
Gladius for the cool down and 1/2 counter for it.
You can also use nameplatecooldowns if you prefer that instead. I did for a while but I got turned off by it once I used BD and Gladius.
last jasper
thats for debuffs, for big cds?
yea, it puts icon near target nameplate. By default it priorities thing like pain sap or defensives
Just had a shuffle were ppl were instantly swapping to my target whenever I put smoke bomb. Like playing different game. Ez 5/1
broken otter
Is that a Benchmade Bugout with Aluminum scales?
shadow creek
what category o.o
Rated BGs, it’s all I really enjoy playing lately.
jolly sierra
go sleep spanish boy
did that 2 hours ago u sent that lol
last jasper
christmas miricle. 5 min q one after another
surreal barn
Is that a Benchmade Bugout with Aluminum scales?
Yessir
cosmic thistle
guys on omnibar its soemthing called track what u have there?
jolly sierra
ill see if i get a miracle w a streak today
cosmic thistle
ill see if i get a miracle w a streak today
yo, uknow tonight i played 4 games won 3 games on every match could i have just been unlucky what i ened up with a healer with 0 wins?
jolly sierra
yo, uknow tonight i played 4 games won 3 games on every match could i have just ...
idk how tf u play so i cant tell u anything
do u have a clip of u from a 2s, a SS or something?
surreal barn
That’s a sexy knife! Gratz.
Thanks! Already cut myself so it’s a great knife. My only other Benchmade is the 42 from years ago
last jasper
You would if u didn't get married. Telling you as a married guy 😄
marsh ridge
BigDebuffs for seeing if it's on them at the time.
Gladius for the cool down and...
ty
surreal barn
You would if u didn't get married. Telling you as a married guy 😄
It’s possible, but I was a cheap ass before I met my wife. We will never know!
cosmic thistle
ok i won 4 now
waxen meteor
The mmr buff is indeed in
Didn’t play demo lock for quite a bit in solo
Mmr seems to be 80 higher
mortal jay
whee
had my first 6/0
me> demo lock > aff lock > disc priest > rsto druid > ww monk. and I 6/0ed 🙂
need one 5/6 to hit 1800.. or two 4/6
but what is likely to happen is 2 2/6, 1 1/6, 1 3/6
mortal jay
YAY and stuff https://gyazo.com/fa50c0ca688ead0000869e83f1726320
broken otter
YAY and stuff https://gyazo.com/fa50c0ca688ead0000869e83f1726320
Gratz!
mortal jay
now if I only understood the gearing system.. does that provide me with the opportunity to improve my pvp gear in some way
wanton breach
gz
wanton breach
now if I only understood the gearing system.. does that provide me with the oppo...
no, you only get pve ilvl upgrade - nothing changes for pvp ilvl
broken otter
you dont need rating to upgrade pvp gear at all now
mortal jay
so 489 is 489 is 489
broken otter
but even so, upgrading only effects its PvE ilvl
PvP ilvl is capped from the get-go in PvP
mortal jay
lol i'm not even 489 at the moment
still rocking two pieces of hellbloom + hell bloom daggers
which makes me even more prouder of 1800 🙂
i know its not great.. but i had to work for it cause I'm stupid
broken otter
Which spec did you play? And, Solo Shuffle?
broken otter
Nah, man, don't listen to the haters.
mortal jay
once i fix my gear I intend to try arenas
broken otter
Rock that elite xmog with pride :D
mortal jay
ty 🙂
last jasper
i know its not great.. but i had to work for it cause I'm stupid
Don’t bother. As long as you have fun. All that matters
Gz
wintry dew
i know its not great.. but i had to work for it cause I'm stupid
gear is only a fraction of the end result.
You did it, you deserve the merit
vocal surge
Walking into arenas with 50% crit :3
w. my buffs
52%
BTE
72%
and Ruthless Precision?
87% on all abilities 
132% on BTE
jolly sierra
Walking into arenas with 50% crit :3
had an assa in a match w full crit stacked
he ended 2-4
mortal jay
heh
jolly sierra
in a moment he died insta
mortal jay
yeh seems an odd choice. my top damage every round, every match is garrote, rupture, internal bleeding
vocal surge
XD
mortal jay
crit might get you a few lucky hard hits, but it feels like what we should be doing is spread pressure and waiting for opportunity to use our dm/kingsbane burst in a kidneyed target
mortal jay
aye. I think I finally found a build that works
using shade's set of builds
experimenting with his cleave + kb build as well
jolly sierra
i really hate crimson tempest
vocal surge
Fun fact
you can Vanish before The Hunt hits and you avoid all of its damage
and you can kidney in the frame DHs use Metamorphosis and it cancels their i-frame
jolly sierra
u cant do anything in meta i recall
mortal jay
yeah mage. I tweaked it and took off crimson
jolly sierra
cc is useless in the leap
vocal surge
Ye
But you can CC them before that leap
and its a free window to attack em
because their abilities get locked up including trinket
jolly sierra
i did that in last time and marked me inmune
vocal surge
I managed to do it successfully
jolly sierra
dunno the timing but i didnt bothered the last time i did that
vocal surge
it makes sense
If they're starting the leap, your CC wont land but if its before that leap occurs it will land
jolly sierra
by muscle memory i still kick the eye beams bruh xd
how u know when they will leap?
is not like they are casting it in channel, right?
vocal surge
Rotation
jolly sierra
that is like .5 a sec?
vocal surge
ye
jolly sierra
sounds hard
vocal surge
It is
jaunty osprey
bruh i feel like shuffle mmr is still wonky
just went 5-1 at 2475 and went up 2 mmr lmao
but got 60 rating i guess
last jasper
That’s the point. It boost your rating of u win. And drops mmr if u lose
jaunty osprey
I don’t lose lol
I’ve 4-2 or better every lobby
Got r1 shuf titles last 2 seasons, so I know how it works
Just don’t think +2 mmr is correct for a 5-1 when my CR was 100 lower than MMR as well
nova viper
sounds hard
Sexooo
last jasper
Got r1 shuf titles last 2 seasons, so I know how it works
Just don’t think +2 m...
It’s seems you don’t. It needs one game to adjust or ur cr, or mmr
last jasper
If you say so
jolly sierra
Sexooo
SEXOOOOO
that happened to me when i had too much leavers
got a 5-1 once after getting those fuckers leaving in a row and had 0 difference
even i had this shit recorded here
chrome schooner
Got r1 shuf titles last 2 seasons, so I know how it works
Just don’t think +2 m...
That's because you gain mmr depending on the difference between yours & the lobby average one, so you can even 6-0, if you are 2450 mmr and the lobby average is 2300 you still gain 0 mmr, regardless of the rating
last jasper
You still can get mmr when it’s got inflated? Usually it puts u in the same bracket. Idk, maybe in really high ratings it’s not that common @chrome schooner
jolly sierra
I'm gonna be an uncle!!! RAHHHHHH
congratz RAAAAAH
cosmic thistle
What should i have done diffrently?
jolly sierra
will watch when i get back from work
cosmic thistle
when work over?
vocal surge
Based on the context of the first 40s of the video, having Dismantle on CD is a pretty bad idea
You want to save it for either 1 of the 2 circumstances
- DK is popping all his CDs
- He dips under 40% HP
Disarming on 2 means he solely relies on healing from healer and his partner which means a ton of kill pressure
while 1 massively reduces his output
Another thing, considering the entire enemy team was playing around you, you want to hug the pillar because the shammy and druid are both able to kite you out
and by hugging pillar where your teammates were at the 25s mark, pulls them in closer
Yes DK can and will try to Death Grip you back into the opening for his teammates but that's good if you're able to hold a shadow step charge you can use to return back to your team
The other thing is immediately walk out of Death and Decay, that allows DK to cleave into multiple targets. You can strafe and hit him while walking out but its very important to move out of that when theres more than 2 of you in it
The Cloak of Shadow was also used poorly (still talking about the first round in the clip btw) since roots are common for both that ele and druid. You want to save that cloak to prevent all the damage sources coming from the enemy team since they're mostly made of magical damage
last jasper
For fdk, I woudl solely use it every pillar. ez gg
chrome schooner
What should i have done diffrently?
Well you just tunnel one target in almost the entire clip
Assa is a spec that dots several people so they all drop
Also if you really need to attack that one guy then having dots on everyone gives you more energy to do more single target damage so there is no reason not to cleave
But like that 1st clip for instance
The Shaman gets ironbark
It's even displayed quite heavily on your screen
vocal surge
The mistake you made on the second round that I can tell immediately is not swapping dismantle for a different talent because the round has all casters
chrome schooner
And you literally run after him for the whole 14s and do almost nothing
When you could just turn to anyone and dot instead
And same, in the second clip I don't think you ever dot anyone else than your main target
I mean you put one random Garrote on the healer once, not even one that silences
And at one point you vanish
You could silence everybody
Or at least healer > main target
But you just reopen on the main target and do nothing else
Beyond mistakes that are relevant to position, cd usage etc etc
First !
You need to play in the way the spec you chose works, and in that case it is a cleave spec, not a Fury Warrior that glues itself to one singular target and does nothing else at all beyond the occasional CC on healer
It'll already give you rating and you can work on the rest then
vocal surge
lol
cosmic thistle
ok so ur guys telling me use my disarm more carefully,make bleeds/pioson on more for single targeting, use my silence better for cc, use pillar against dfk, use my shadowstep a bit more carefully,? if iam correct cause thats was alot too take in
vocal surge
pillar in general is your best friend when they're kiting you out like that
chrome schooner
It's also that you have to consider that when you attack one target the enemy healers has 0 efforts to do
He just targets who you attack and presses the heal button
vocal surge
^
chrome schooner
If 2 or 3 targets have garrote and rupture and then one guy gets stunned with a Kidney but then you use dance and cheap shot kingsbane someone else then garrote silence the healer who's already like "what do I dooooo" well, you win
jolly sierra
so u can just dot all 3 and win easily
last jasper
https://tenor.com/view/boy-math-school-asia-study-gif-18879119
lmao
cosmic thistle
If 2 or 3 targets have garrote and rupture and then one guy gets stunned with a ...
ok will test this sounds winnable
chrome schooner
It is !
last jasper
ok so ur guys telling me use my disarm more carefully,make bleeds/pioson on more...
pillar of frost is fdk cd. U disarm him during his cds and all his burst do 0 mostly.
jolly sierra
in UH case they do the unholy frenzy or the empower runeblade
BTW the 6-0 match i posted days ago has a DK in the match, check it out
@cosmic thistle
cosmic thistle
<@285457354651205632>
whats the addons that shows u when peopleop trinkets?
jolly sierra
whats the addons that shows u when peopleop trinkets?
think is gladius or gladiatorlosa2
lucid citrus
Also is that a rotation helper at the bottom of your gladius??
jolly sierra
in merek i think is an ability recorder
cosmic thistle
Also is that a rotation helper at the bottom of your gladius??
yha i dont use it
lucid citrus
Okayy that’s good
cosmic thistle
Also is that a rotation helper at the bottom of your gladius??
only for too see when i should bleed on tghem and it shows me when to kick
lucid citrus
Well you should be looking at the nameplates instead of that tracker
cosmic thistle
iam starting to lose more now 2 wins now on 3 games idk when too take adventage of their cds
i see that they too that on me alot
often a stun and dead
is their any video for that?
brazen drift
Could be using your CDs too early if you're dying often. Rogues best defensive is running the fuck away, if you can manage it ofc.
As for taking advantage of theirs. If you don't know the best things to track defensive wise, get Omnibar, make it scaled up and visible in your vision whilst you are attack, most have it to the left, right or below their characters model for immediate info. Make a bar, call it defensive, or whatever you prefer, and config it to show defensives, like pain supp, dome, grounding totem etc.
cosmic thistle
how does peple often in 1500 do too rank up?
brazen drift
Focus on tracking defensives first whilst you're learning, then move into the tracking offensives once you're comfortable. These two will net you the best comfortability whilst learning the spec you've chosen.
Being able to ID when a Pala has used his bubble, or his wall shows you that he can die in the next go, so watch for the healers positioning, check what defensives he has to potentially delay it and focus on either:
-
Making pally LOS Healer, he has to be similarly close to you, to hit you barring some abilities. So you can walk him around a pillar or terrain depending on the map.
-
Focusing on getting their healer to be cc'd either with a kidney or cheap so that your other dps or healer can chain that up, then go on the Pala with no bubble/wall.
You'll either kill him outright if you know your rotation well, and when to bomb etc, or you'll force another defensive/trinket from the healer, and then it opens them up for a slap about.
If you're in the 1500 bracket, no one is going to play perfectly unless they're smurfing, but even then, everyone makes mistakes. Which is something a lot of wow players seem to think they don't 
But primarily in this bracket, people dump offensives or waste defensives on minimal things. Which can teach you how to swap much more comfortably, because they use defensives earlier than they should be doing.
cosmic thistle
ok will keep it in mind
how do people bait burst openers or just bait their defisnivnesses?
cause i cant use kb or that kind of stuff
wintry dew
@brazen drift gotta say amazing input on those explanations, thanks man
lucid citrus
You can use either KB or DM on your first go to bait out CD’s and then you one more to use on your second go
cosmic thistle
<@172156198710149121> gotta say amazing input on those explanations, thanks man
Real
brazen drift
how do people bait burst openers or just bait their defisnivnesses?
Do what Jmax said, but also keep in mind every player is different; you might go for a bait, and they don't do anything, you've ended up wasting an offensive. There's been plenty of times I've gone in, instantly CC and KB or DM and they sit the stun, and I've choked; usually followed by a healer or alt dps CC and a /laugh 
But primarily offensive = big damage. This translates across all characters, specs and everyone with a lizard brain knows this. So they usually respond accordingly, offensive = defensive use or I'm taking some serious pressure.
It really depends too, because there can be times you sap healer, cheap a DPS, and the healer instantly trinkets, you can just sprint or shadowstep your friendly on a pillar and reset. Knowing they wasted a trinket etc.
brazen drift
<@172156198710149121> gotta say amazing input on those explanations, thanks man
Happy to help where I can
Truthfully most of what I'm saying about generalized concepts is things I've watched from Shades gameplay and YouTube, the guy is a gold mine for knowledge.
wintry dew
Thanks anyway my man, altough they are generalized concepts, new players don't have them yet!
brazen drift
For sure, I struggled with learning arena often when I first picked it up, there's so much going on, and then when I finally picked Rogue up this season, it just added to the confusion, the spec itself is easy to learn, but all the nuances of arena, and the little tricks you can do to play around with people makes it 
gotta love it.
brazen drift
how i cpy somone else omnibar?
cosmic thistle
Ty
brazen drift
Don't overload yourself though, just use Omni for now until you're comfortable to track other things.
Otherwise you'll load all of these, be confused with everything and do much worse.
Everything in moderation.
last jasper
Blades edge twice in a raw. With double shaman.
cosmic thistle
ok will not use it then iguess
brazen drift
No no. Use Omnibar, and the import in that list. I'm saying don't overload yourself with everything else, like the WA and such, use MesWA and that's all you really need.
cosmic thistle
oh ok
brazen drift
Just don't make the mistake I did. And import a whole R1 Rogues set up. Load up into an arena and have my brain flooded by all this additional info and not configured to my taste.
cosmic thistle
@brazen drift how i put in in on omnibar cant find the option
found it mb
do i want the tracker on focus or all enemies?
brazen drift
Preferably whilst learning, all.
Eventually you get to a point where you know two CDs have been used thanks to BD and Gladius and you don't need Omni as much, it's a helpful tool all the way through however.
cosmic thistle
Preferably whilst learning, all.
wdym by whilst cant find that opiton iam new so idk all the short names on wow
brazen drift
I'm heading to work or I'd set you up, youtube has a guide on it by skill-capped, set up omni like a pro or something like that. Give that a watch and you'll pick it up.
cosmic thistle
ty
cosmic thistle
wtf is wonr with my omnibar i import a profile and for some random reason it gets deleted
fiery gorge
I am heated af rn
legit 80% winrate vs comps without healer
when they have disc priest or similar
20% winrate
frozen falcon
for sin rogue do you run deadly or wound poison
cosmic thistle
@last jasper what did u do when u wanted too rank you more between 1500-1800.
pale storm
You can upgrade your hearthstone?
cosmic thistle
how tf am i supposed too win this games every healer is inting so much always a healer with a 1 win or 2 win???
either he dies or he just cant heal
i need to pop so many defesivnes its insane
i can kill nobody anymore
their healer always got them
and my fking omnibar dosent work
fossil sierra
Merry Christmas all, Yall think ww or arms for a alt for sub? Kinda wanna just zug zug.
gleaming pawn
sounds like you need to play a healer too Merek, so you can learn more of how they work instead of just Ree'ing that all the healers you get are inting
brazen drift
Merry Christmas all, Yall think ww or arms for a alt for sub? Kinda wanna just z...
Arms for sure.
Super fun when you're wanting to just run at someone.
brazen drift
how tf am i supposed too win this games every healer is inting so much always a ...
Hopefully I don't come across as rude, but are you peeling for said healer? Cheap/Kidney on DPS as an example.
Are you also in their LOS? As a Resto Alt. Nothing infuriates me more than a DPS that doesn't know I'm on the pillar and not fully committing chasing them.
cosmic thistle
Idk what peeling is sry but yes i kidney cheap shot all time on dps
On my target and the healer keeping bleeds
On full time
Using my silence on 2 targets aswell
fossil sierra
Arms for sure.
you think arms over ret still or nah?
brazen drift
Peeling is the art of using CC to delay an enemy from connecting to your partners in Arena, either your healer or DPS.
As a rogue we can use:
- Cheap Shot
- Kidney Shot
- Sap (If a healer is out of combat in rare circumstances or following a blind.)
- Blind (Try and avoid using blind to peel unless absolutely necessary; it's a powerful CD for any rogue toolset.)
Ideally you wanna cheap shot before kidney when peeling, but if you're in a pinch or the moment requires it you can kidney shot, (some may dispute this and feel free to to the more experienced guys).
But you ideally wanna peel when they have big damage up, peeling can be easily done as a rogue due to the extensive toolkit we have, and how slippery we are.
Things to watch for can be like Tyrant from a Warlock, which you can also CC if you really need to, I've often needed to cheap or gouge a Tyrant to reduce pressure. Another thing can be Avatar if a warrior is pumping on your DPS partner or healer etc.
@cosmic thistle
fossil sierra
actually thoughts on dh or arms?
brazen drift
Basically in a nutshell, peeling is giving your partners breathing space so they can actually do something. If you play caster/melee, especially in SS. You're going to need to help them get stuff off. Even if it's cc'ing their kill target so they can get a chaos bolt off, or if your healer has been kicked you're going to want to peel during their duration so they can get back into the game.
brazen drift
you think arms over ret still or nah?
Personally, I order Arms playstyle, in terms of pure zug zug. I've played Ret but I'm pretty terrible at it, but they're good survivability and off heals are pretty good to have.
DH/Arms I'd say Arms all the time, DHs aren't as oppressive as they were. They still pack a punch but you can deal with them a lot more now, I say the nerfs have them in an okay spot.
That and once blur is down, you can blow them up as a Sub anyway.
cosmic thistle
Iguess i need to master this if i wanna hit 1600 rating
fossil sierra
Personally, I order Arms playstyle, in terms of pure zug zug. I've played Ret bu...
Thank you!
cosmic thistle
Ty for hrlp oakd your very helpfull but need to sleep now its 6pm where i live
brazen drift
Iguess i need to master this if i wanna hit 1600 rating
There's a lot to learn, and don't be scared of the learning curve. Also ignore the morons who are like "Sub is nerfed to the ground" or "1.8k is easy to get" , and never go on r/worldofpvp haha.
Negativity breeds negativity and realistically it'll take you time to learn, to understand the concepts but one day it'll click and you'll be like "bro I'm a sick rogue" and you'll hit that 1600/1800 you want.
Sleep well brother.
Oh I forgot one more thing for peeling, but even a hard offensive can be a peel too, if a warrior charges out, pops avatar and runs your healer down, you can also peel with your own damage, they either back off or pop a defensive etc and should relieve pressure off your healer at the time.
sharp pumice
Merry Christmas all, Yall think ww or arms for a alt for sub? Kinda wanna just z...
as long as you tell the warrior discord to smoke all the man-meat-sticks in the world, arms is kinda fun
still sigil
arms is really fun
you can't go wrong having a warrior tbh, pve they're always reliable, pvp they're always up there with us on the top
ret would be my best recommendation though. Just tell the people saying how efficient the auto attack build is to shove their boring nonsense up their arse and enjoy spamming templar strike and whipping out the DONNNGGGGG at every opportunity
wintry dew
Don't forget that ret is also an extremely supportive class, you can help in tremendous ways your teammates to remain alive
That was something I learned from 0 to 2300 during s1
still sigil
^
ret zugs almost as good as arms but also does a lot more if you stop zugging and use your damn spells :V
absolutely second the "Ignore everyone on r/worldofpvp" comment too. Goddamn, if you go in there with a take more nuanced than "buff healer" and "nerf melee" they'll hear none of it :V
or even dare to suggest that for a lot of people solo shuffle is just a fun fucking-around mode
wintry dew
or even dare to suggest that for a lot of people solo shuffle is just a fun fuck...
Which it is, especially for zugzug classes
bold mortar
Assa or Outlaw for overall gameplay? Pve and PvP(shuffle mainly)
brazen drift
absolutely second the "Ignore everyone on r/worldofpvp" comment too. Goddamn, if...
Told them I was 1900 in SS and was asking for advice on when to run, and got shit on because I said I was 1900 and wanted to learn more.
A cesspit of children honestly.
bold mortar
Both
Dumb it down for me please
I've no idea on rogues
All I know is I don't wanna play sub
brazen drift
Assa is S Tier for M+ afaik
Good in SS too, but you can hit a wall after a while.
Mainly just because of how SS works.
bold mortar
I'd like to reach 1800 in shuffle is all
brazen drift
Outlaw equally as fun, arguably the most fun spec of the 3 but idk about PvE. In PvP its consistent, I wouldn't say the best for SS but maybe some Outlaw guys can comment. I'm versed only in Sub/Assa
still sigil
assassination is extremely good
bold mortar
Any assa guide u guys recommend? Not wowgead
still sigil
it's honestly by a long way the easiest rogue spec to just pick up and play
bold mortar
That's a relief lmao
still sigil
I don't know what in the fuck is going on with outlaw but the days of combat rogue being the nice and braindead choice are over 😦
wintry dew
Outlaw m+ is arguably the best spec out of the tree to reliably push rating
wintry dew
I played assa to 2.750 this season, and as soon as I tried outlaw in 18/19s I understood how fun and strong it is
I'm pulling easily more 30/40k overall in keys
still sigil
outlaw has much higher highs but the rotation is a little hectic
still sigil
it does look good
I might give it another go
but I have hellbloom daggers and it's annoying to get better than those in pve 😠 maybe assassination with outlaw loot spec for now
brazen drift
I've not touched M+ tbh so my gauge is way off on what's good there.
wintry dew
Between the eyes, with the crackshot talent, does not go in CD when used in subterfuge, and thx to another talent, you have a chance to fill out the cps after a BtE. It's really fun when you vanish and BtE > BtE > BtE non stop
still sigil
shooting someone right between the eyes doesn't seem so impressive if you do it 7 times straight after one another
wintry dew
Oh it does because you have a sound hint that your cps refilled
wintry dew
Pretty much
idle root
feels fucking bad that sin's major cd gets countered by a racial
nerf dwarves blizz please
nova viper
nerf dwarves blizz please
Human human race zug zug
wanton breach
https://tenor.com/view/badass-overwatch-jesse-mc-cree-jessemccree-gif-7208701
now I want a weakaura that plays that voiceline whenever you get subterfuge/shadowdance as outlaw
still sigil
I'd be amazed if that doesn't exist somewhere
broken otter
2set or 4set for Sub?
still sigil
I think all specs want 4 set
still sigil
I mean the stats on the chest and legs aren't bad, they're basically conquest pieces that have an extra benefit
broken otter
Yeah, but they have no Mastery on them
Oh wait
chest does
No wait it doesnt
last tiers does
surreal barn
I took the shoulder gloves cause I’m gonna craft some pants
Maybe the wrong move idk 😂
fossil sierra
as long as you tell the warrior discord to smoke all the man-meat-sticks in the ...
way ahead of you
waxen meteor
I took the shoulder gloves cause I’m gonna craft some pants
Who do you need to craft pant?
It’s already vers/mastery isn’t it?
cosmic thistle
do u often burst when ur trinkets pop the rsandom trinket who give u bonus stats?
surreal barn
Yeah but it’s an even vers mast spread and by the end of the season why not
I’ll prob craft a second engin helm with mastery too just to have
cosmic thistle
Guys in your omnibar its soemthing called tracking what did u put there?
cosmic thistle
i seen that the shiv ability mean by despelling all enrage effects?
twin burrow
That's how ray works, you guys out damaged his healing during ray, so he took the 600k , but it gets recorded as his damage
gleaming pawn
Lol a 600k negative ray of hope sounds like the priest used it and then just didn’t heal them
last jasper
Lol a 600k negative ray of hope sounds like the priest used it and then just did...
The ray executed him 😄
300k overkill
gleaming pawn
Now I want to know if that priest is just going around assassinating teammates with bad rays
Though I suppose it’s more likely they just used it at the wrong time when they didn’t have holy words / bad positioning so they got CC’d
wary moss
I went 2-4 in a really bad lobby... but I still gained 5 points?
We take those?
gleaming pawn
Absolutely, but your poor mmr though
wary moss
I went 5-1 the next game and gain 57 points lol
last jasper
Though I suppose it’s more likely they just used it at the wrong time when they ...
High damp. The priest was okay. I won 2 games with him.
wary moss
Hopefully it balances out 😅
last jasper
Did they change the scoreboard? It won’t show mmr/cr. Just had a 1.1 lock in 1.9 game.
Idk is he was at placement games or it’s just blizzard. Poor lad end up with 0/6
gleaming pawn
Nothing official, probably just low pop queue jank
last jasper
Before when u press scoreboard u could see mmr and cr. Right now u only see one number. Dunno is it mmr or cr
wary moss
I forgot too look at it lol
cosmic thistle
Recent i have had 1000 elo healers and dps in 1500 elo end up with 0/6 feel bad for them
jolly sierra
got a fucking leaver
in a match
i was winning 3 in a row
and left
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
another filthy W key aff
cosmic thistle
whats is this addon called, that makes their helth bar diffrent and dmg?
gleaming pawn
another filthy W key aff
These are just signs you should be playing Warlock 😉
jolly sierra
These are just signs you should be playing Warlock 😉
nooooo
gleaming pawn
It would feel good to be playing a class I knew blizzard would never let be bad ever
But yeah, I’ve never been able to really get hooked into Warlock
gleaming pawn
Congrats! The hard part is over and you can focus on the zug
jolly sierra
tbh
i though i would die in the last match
but seems like the other guy killed one
XD
jolly sierra
Congrats! The hard part is over and you can focus on the zug
thank u btw
wintry dew
now i can rest for now
sharp sierra
fuck feral needs a nerf
700k bites in arenas lol
731k to be exact. insane
lol
literally one shot
and i have 35% resil
vers*
with out that it would have hit for 1 mill easy
waxen meteor
40mins queue post christmas day, run into 1 w and healer dc
shadow creek
now i can rest for now
Congrats!
jolly sierra
Grat, and keep pushing for 2100
maybe in 1 more month
XD
im pushig to 1k8 with ww now
waxen meteor
i got all alts 1800 first 2 weeks haha, but 3 alts are too much to play
not gonna add another one probably till 3 weeks alter
i will try monk probably too
jolly sierra
i got all alts 1800 first 2 weeks haha, but 3 alts are too much to play
i play 4
XD
last jasper
i got all alts 1800 first 2 weeks haha, but 3 alts are too much to play
Yea, I agree. Such a pain. I didn’t even bother to farm full vault
pale storm
I just play 2 rogues lol
proven kayak
I’m really considered to play my 2nd rogue but I’m bored
surreal barn
I just play 2 rogues lol
This is the way
pale storm
Yessir! One nelf one Orc 💯
last jasper
Lmao, cheezed ppl 3 times in a lobby. They further kept sitting my kidney
jolly sierra
games with windwalker were fucking awful
2-4 and 1-5
got a glad ele sham
and a frost mage
perma rooted
last jasper
Shuffle is clown fiesta rn. Had two lobbies where ppl die in the first 30 sec. Literally the longest out 12 matches was 37 seconds.
jolly sierra
ppl were complaining in me for dying against ranged in SS as monk
dude its hard af to chase if i cant connect
i root them
then they gets free and run
steady lynx
lucid citrus
do we get a splinter this week?
nova viper
seeeeexoooo
nova viper
ppl were complaining in me for dying against ranged in SS as monk
what do you think about pvp right now?
i hear is super unbalanced, but i dont feel this
jolly sierra
what do you think about pvp right now?
it is with some classes
aff lock for me at least is just stacking damage by scratching their balls
nova viper
i think
caster know i super weak
bcs DH, DK and Zug Zug warrior have 1541231251312512412514123 dmg
mortal jay
dh have received zero nerfs.. why were they broken a week ago and not now?
wary moss
Dh is still pretty good
jolly sierra
good but not op
fossil sierra
yall think ret or ww for alt?
gleaming pawn
ret is more braindead zug
WW can absolutely body someone, but they are weak to roots/snares and can get blown up themselves if you're not careful
nova jay
I hate melee lobbies in ss. An arms and a fury running at you the whole game and there's nothing you can do
untold lotus
I don't even know how to play in full melee lobbies anymore
jolly sierra
ww is awful in snare matches
or wizard lobbies
but disgustingly good in melee ones
ret turned midrange, so can perform better overall
jolly sierra
brazen drift
Force them to blow CDs, and kite/peel until they're gone, then drop them in a stun (if sub).
Warrior/DK usually stack to cleave so go healer to get some pressure and ultimately lift it from your healer. Better to heal one person taking cleave damage than two; should be able to relieve some of it anyway, otherwise if they're full zug zug on you. Play the pillar game, trade shadowstep for grips, and you'll end up a bit better off.
If you're assassin, you're going to want to constantly spread as normal, but play the running game a bit more.
nova jay
Let's say they grip my healer to the middle. Then I can't really run around pillars because I might just get stunned behind pillar and die?
brazen drift
If they grip your healer into the middle you'll need to position yourself so he can still get you of course, arena is dynamic in that not everything is going to be the same. So if my healer is gripped and I'm being dumped on, I'm gonna shadowstep to them, better us both in the open. But if he's a good healer he should be positioning himself to be able to get to you anyway. An example would be a druid gripped into the open, should be wild charge back to friendly or general area etc.
nova jay
Playing at 1400 everything is unpredictable
brazen drift
True true, but picking up on little things like that early can accelerate your game. A lot of people in that bracket zug zug. Pop all cooldowns and ultimately end up left high and dry.
If you see a warrior and DK pop CDs, it turns into the last Halo Reach mission.
Survive.
Buuuut remember WoW Arena is a game of trades. If you do this, I do that, etc, and not everything requires a defensive usage, depending on the game state, recognizing that is half the battle.
nova jay
Any addon recommendations for tracking cds and a link to a list of abilities to track?
brazen drift
BigDebuffs for instant in the moment info. Aka when a target has pain suppression up.
Gladius and Omnibar for tracking CDs. I suggest tracking defensives first on Omnibar as a Rogue because you're going to use that info to know when to "go" on them.
Use BigDebuffs as a way to track offensive cooldowns too, such as if a warrior has avatar up. That way you can react in the moment. Once you're comfortable with that, tracking offensive cooldowns on Omnibar is a good idea, as you'll know that the Pally has 2 minutes left until wings again, or the druid doesn't have incarn for another 30 seconds whilst you have a defensive up and so forth.
Then you can start tracking kicks if you want, but as a rogue that's not reaaaally that needed, but it's nice if you're in comms with a friend to say "hey Shammy has wind shear rn".
In terms of a list of things to track, if you're unsure of every class I suggest looking through a pvp guide of every class and looking at the defensive tabs, then tick it in Omnibar, from top to bottom, so an example is:
Arcane Mage:
- Ice Block
- Temporal Shield
- Alter Time
Warlock:
- Dark Pact
- Soul burn Port or w/e it's called now.
- Portal
- Etc etc.
Can track their shield if you really want to. But it's not that needed, another one would be tracking frost nova and blink, especially as a melee class.
Essentially what you find annoying to play against, track it, so you know when it's up, when it's on cooldown and you can play around it accordingly. Add as you go along as you learn. So if you play against a lock and wasn't tracking dark pact, then when you exit the arena, tick it and you know it's there for the rest of your games against a lock.
Remember that mobility spells count as defensives, I've seen some people not track a warlock port or portal for some reason, when they're crucial to know the lock can't escape your damage.
Most people will go against what I've said and say track everything from the get go, but if you start tracking as you play games, it sets in better. You can track frost nova and blink, etc from the start but you want to know WHY you're tracking them, and by the learning and ticking as you go method you'll pick it up better.
Better know from failure than it is from knowledge itself.
wintry dew
@brazen drift Doesn't your hand hurt after giving us the juiciest explanations?
brazen drift
<@172156198710149121> Doesn't your hand hurt after giving us the juiciest explan...
Happy to help where I can 
wintry dew
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last jasper
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last jasper
good but not op
I’d say still s+ melee. At least for me. Less stressful
Unlike dk. After the stat nerf
brazen drift
<@172156198710149121> Doesn't your hand hurt after giving us the juiciest explan...
I was thinking about making some content for YT about it. I find that skill-capped and such really don't go into as much detail as you could.
Like they go "do triangle formation and you'll win", when it's so much more than that.
Simple things like a Warrior charging around a corner and LOS a heal, or a pally using his bubble offensively etc never really get touched on.
Be a good little thing to maybe point out 1500+ mistakes.
idk rambling, :p
wintry dew
Do it and I'll be your first subscriber (just give me the link before hand)
Because if you have good editing skills for videos it's a must for our community
minor cape
idk dude, pretty sure some skillcapped videos i've seen talked about that
but i don't remember which already
anyway, detailed videos about that would be sick
wintry dew
Maybe more detailed videos are a must, because skill cap, afaik, has paywalls
minor cape
i mean free videos
but what
is happening in their paid stuff
i don't know
skillcapped feels like a scam idk
like pyramid scheme type shit xd
marsh ridge
https://pastebin.com/u/nahj
this is empty do you have a new one?
brazen drift
this is empty do you have a new one?
Looks fine to me bud?
brazen drift
idk dude, pretty sure some skillcapped videos i've seen talked about that
Oh yeah, but it's very generic I'd say. I paid when I was trying to figure out arena early doors, and it wasn't confusing, but it wasn't fully explained I'd say.
marsh ridge
ure the best
brazen drift
Hope that helps for the omni, I cba to do the rest 
Oh, it got removed instantly.
tf
brazen drift
last jasper
I was thinking about making some content for YT about it. I find that skill-capp...
They’ve might have that under paywall
brazen drift
I have the paywall.
It's good content, but it's not dialled in like it could be. Unless I've missed specific vids.
wary moss
Anyone that played during MoP remember the talent [Blood Fear]? Lol
wintry dew
I did play MoP, can you describe the talent? I surely remember what it did but not by namr
brazen drift
Reduces the damage taken from AOE.
cosmic thistle
so its useless then
wary moss
I did play MoP, can you describe the talent? I surely remember what it did but n...
It was instant fear with a 5 sec CD and 5% life cost instead of mana.
It came back to me outta no where lol.
It only lasted for a patch before it was removed lol
wintry dew
That was... Warlock only right?
wary moss
Yeah
brazen drift
so its useless then
If it matches your stats needed, no.
Feint + Avoidance is pre-good.
But only if it has stats you need.
Or yes, useless.
tawny kestrel
doesn’t work in pvp anyway
brazen drift
That too.
shadow creek
Made the number 2 Outlaw spot with just 1856 rating in BGs, lol.
Come play BGs, you too can achieve greatness just by showing up!
last jasper
It's good content, but it's not dialled in like it could be. Unless I've missed ...
well, than I gonna be ur 2nd sub if u decide to make ur own yt
brazen drift
Sure thing, lemme get 2k on my DK real quick and I'll mull it over
last jasper
Sure thing, lemme get 2k on my DK real quick and I'll mull it over <a:NODDERS:84...
I dropped trying to get higher after trinket nerf. At least as uh. Idk it feels weird. Got the mog tho
wary moss
So funny to me that the top enh shamans in solo are 4/5 the same guy lol
3/5 now ohhhh he's slipping lol
shadow creek
lol, this guy really loves playing enh shaman
brazen drift
I dropped trying to get higher after trinket nerf. At least as uh. Idk it feels ...
Still hits like a truck tbh.
cosmic thistle
DO u play glad dagger and hellbloom dagger as assasin?
last jasper
Still hits like a truck tbh.
I’ve had a few melee lobbies where ppl were running all over the place and I felt useless with low dam. Which is weird as dk.
So I decide to switch frost for fun from now on
brazen drift
last jasper
That was fast 😂
brazen drift
DO u play glad dagger and hellbloom dagger as assasin?
Some do, depends on vaults really.
I got both daggers early on truthfully.
cosmic thistle
same i have both glad daggers
jolly sierra
i use a crafted dagger in OH
cosmic thistle
is it worth buying conquest trinket if so what trinkets for assasin?
jolly sierra
are u sure u dont need another necklace?
tawny kestrel
non medallion trinket is worth way more than neck and rings
it’s prob what you buy after weapon and tier gear
last thing you buy is off hand
cosmic thistle
are u sure u dont need another necklace?
it gives me less mastery
should i buy the verdant amulet instead?
jolly sierra
non medallion trinket is worth way more than neck and rings
for the agi you say?
nah, hear raz
he is the big one here
tawny kestrel
for the agi you say?
yeah trinkets are nice
medallion you can buy last i guess
but dps trinket is big
cosmic thistle
should i buy this
jolly sierra
should i buy this
buy the on use trinket w conquest
cosmic thistle
the one who change primary stat?
cosmic thistle
it gives hp that one u mean
hybrid rapids
last jasper
are u sure u dont need another necklace?
I would upgrade stat trinket after mh wep
Idk about assa tho. But def on sub
jolly sierra
i got the badge too before some stuff
i was thinking in getting the full mastery bracers but noticed i still have a green ring
so priorities, also free socket lol
brazen drift
i got super lucky in vaults
last jasper
Me too. 3d socket in 3 weeks 😂
hybrid rapids
wait aren't the crafted rings better?
brazen drift
Yeah I've just not crafted them yet
hybrid rapids
thought i was outdated lol
jolly sierra
huh
hybrid rapids
barely missing anything tho
brazen drift
Need rings and bracers, and then should be maxed out.
My DK and Mage is worse, they got ruined in vaults:(
brazen drift
Has anyone seen that one guy with like 490 gear
And an upgraded hearthstone somehow
tawny kestrel
Should’ve uncapped conq.
uncapped conquest early on is awful
they did that s4 sl
worst thing ever
last jasper
uncapped conquest early on is awful
It was uncapped from the start, if I recall right. I mean after 2 month is prolly okay
jolly sierra
i recall something too
wintry dew
Has anyone seen that one guy with like 490 gear
The paladin
jolly sierra
was basically grinding shit in an addicting time rate
jolly sierra
The paladin
dude yesterday one of my SS matches had a fury warr w the lego
brazen drift
Idk, I'm the minority that sees uncapped conquest from the get go as a good thing. Arena should be about your skill level, not your gear level. Like early season when some had two set due to lucky vaults and the rest had to wait a week.
I think uncapped is healthy because the only thing holding you back is your time/dedication. Once you have gear you stop stressing about stats and making excuses about gear and can focus on your play instead.
brazen drift
dude yesterday one of my SS matches had a fury warr w the lego
Lmao, how was it? I keep waiting for Mes to get it and see how good it really is.
wintry dew
Idk, I'm the minority that sees uncapped conquest from the get go as a good thin...
Good PoV.
People with less time will fall behind quickly and then gear becomes an issue tho.
last jasper
Currently I feel like I play for nothing. Except practicing. I can’t get gear, I don’t need vault. At least I could’ve gear my alts while playing
surreal barn
You’d be better off lowering the ilvl gap between honor gear and conquest
brazen drift
A lot of things could improve PvP, but we are the red headed step child unfortunately.
jolly sierra
Lmao, how was it? I keep waiting for Mes to get it and see how good it really is...
can send the recording, but was humillating af for me
cuz i was ww but was perma snared
brazen drift
Bahaha I feel your pain.
jolly sierra
the guy topped dmg indeed
last jasper
Isn’t the leggo is nerfed like everything else?
brazen drift
It's nerfed in PvP isn't it?
brazen drift
Unstoppable charge is too good to pass up too
last jasper
the ilvl matters
Oh, it’s 496?
last jasper
yes
Have u seen a topic on Reddit. Where a guy have all gear at 496? Even a hearthstone (I showed a few days ago)
brazen drift
Haha yeah I just asked. You've seen it too. Insane ain't it.
last jasper
Blizz just fcked up somehow. The dude just logged in and while gear is 496))
brazen drift
Gotta be an exploit there.
last jasper
Gotta be an exploit there.
He said he didn’t do anything. Even contact blizz to fix. They didn’t 😂
tawny kestrel
Idk, I'm the minority that sees uncapped conquest from the get go as a good thin...
yeah uncapped is fun, someone who’s done 100 rbgs and has full gear vs someone who has little time and no gear is great. makes arena unplayable for most people with less time to play
jolly sierra
Have u seen a topic on Reddit. Where a guy have all gear at 496? Even a hearthst...
yeah i recall that
i wanna a 496 HS too REEEEEEE
last jasper
yeah uncapped is fun, someone who’s done 100 rbgs and has full gear vs someone w...
I mean, we are fully geared. Maybe 1-2 slots off. It won’t make a difference at this point
brazen drift
yeah uncapped is fun, someone who’s done 100 rbgs and has full gear vs someone w...
Aye. I think before when we were all 14-15 it was feasible, but most of my homies are married with kids now. And don't have the time to be a nerd, but they still wanna go on and PvP.
jolly sierra
difference is it was from early season v
brazen drift
He said he didn’t do anything. Even contact blizz to fix. They didn’t 😂
"I wasn't cheating, my dad owns Microsoft"
tawny kestrel
I mean, we are fully geared. Maybe 1-2 slots off. It won’t make a difference at ...
yeah it’s fine now, was just cus someone said they should have it uncapped instantly
which is shit
last jasper
Nah, I meant at this state.
last jasper
"I wasn't cheating, my dad owns Microsoft"
The fun part is he shared pics in that topic where he ask blizz to investigate and fix and their response was 🤷♀️
shadow creek
yeah i recall that
I wonder what happens when he gets a critical with the hearthstone...
jolly sierra
I wonder what happens when he gets a critical with the hearthstone...
he tps insta
shadow creek
I like to imagine it would port him to Diablo
jolly sierra
wtf
i was with a chest
from fornite
picked it, appeared a guy from draenor for like .5 secs
and both the chest and the guy dissapeared
steel scarab
@brazen drift Uncapped conquest at the start of the season is absolutely cancerous. Young people living with their parents have way more time to grind for a gear advantage than people with kids, jobs, and a mortgage to pay.
Uncapped conquest would definitely make me stop queueing if that's how the season began.
However, I do think the game should do a better job explaining to people WHERE to get the PvP gear from. I found the conquest vendor and the honor gear vendor right next to each other in Valdrakken, but bizarrely, they put the Bloody Token World PvP vendor across the room and I went weeks in this season without realizing Bloody PvP gear existed. The game also never tells you that PvP world quests and PvP Airdrop Crates unlock if you turn War Mode on. Very bad design.
The game should have a pop-up or something if you're queueing for battlegrounds and arenas a lot. "Hey, you seem interested in PvP! Did you know you can get PvP gear upgrades if you turn War Mode on? Click here to learn more!"
It would be such a simple change, but it'd help casual people so much
World of Warcraft is such a great game, but it does SUCH a terrible job at directing you what stuff you might enjoy if you're into a certain type of content.
last jasper
Uncapped at the start is debatable.
Agree about everything else. Except pvp quest. If you choose to not turn pvp mode on, why would there be any pvp activities.
waxen meteor
@jolly sierra can ww kick during fist?
mortal jay
and i cant stun them during it either.. no matter how many times I try.. knowing I cant
wintry dew
shadowstep stun
waxen meteor
and i cant stun them during it either.. no matter how many times I try.. knowing...
You can
wintry dew
unless they can be cheaped from the front
mortal jay
i have tried everything just to survive the damn thing
waxen meteor
Just don’t do face stun