pvp

[exotic dove]

I was fearing they would nerf our bleeds

[gleaming pawn]

Damn, that 15% KB nerf

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-dies-inside-dead-hurt-gif-10373479

[spring bough]

thats not too bad

atleast they didnt nerf the bleeds lol

[exotic dove]

yes exactly

[gleaming pawn]

It could have been worse for sure, not that it was deserved at all

New and improved glass canon, now with less canon

[spring bough]

sin still gonna be far ahead on raid dps even with that KB nerf lmao

[exotic dove]

yes

[spring bough]

still smoking people in rateds

[exotic dove]

I agree with welinth

If they nerfed the bleeds I would probably not shuffle as Assa anymore but they nerfed Kingsbane so it does affect those going for the kingsbane one shot with CB but I stopped playing that build a while ago

Just kidding I would still probably shuffle as Assa still when it comes to Sub and Assa I am a slave to both those specs

[halcyon timber]

Why are they buffing fury though? xD

[jolly sierra]

nah its ok

u still do 300k KB

w crits

XD

[spring bough]

yeah lmao

[exotic dove]

Yeah the nerf isnt bad

[spring bough]

whats 15% nerf on 856k

[halcyon timber]

warlock does that with chaos bolt half geared

[exotic dove]

Blizzard actually did good with the nerfs

[halcyon timber]

yeah was a wise tuning round instead of knee jerk stuff

[spring bough]

727k still lmao not bad

[halcyon timber]

proud of them actually

don't kill of specializations because someone got beat by 4 horde and a rat afterwork at the dalaran diner.

Definitely curious as to why discipline received nerfs though. Keep nerfing damage and healing then how is atonement applicable / sufficient?

[exotic dove]

The Disc nerf is the only one I am questioning. Fistweaver literally go the lightest slap on the wrist

and Rdruid I feel the same

hopefully the rsham changes help them

I easily role shamans I have a 100% win rate against them in shuffle and twos

[halcyon timber]

Fistweaving is too strong especially when they aren't compromised having their own reliable cc and mobility

discipline stands around like that goofy ass dog in duckhunt on nintendo

yeah 15% to their mastery when treants also add to it no?

why weren't treants just hit by 25% as well? or CD adjusted to be longer. Makes no sense 3 of those goons are running around every 20 seconds per treant with 15sec up time.

[exotic dove]

15% doesnt change the fact that Treants still cover a bit portion of their weaknesses

but maybe who knows

[halcyon timber]

no idea, we shall see

just honestly wondering, not complaining.

[exotic dove]

I know you weren't complaining

[halcyon timber]

They do need to have vulnerability windows just like mist weavers

mist weaver "self" nerfs might be solid as at least dampen harm was placed back at base and elixers are 10% effective.

[karmic summit]

I wonder if this is a leave thiefs bargain angle

[halcyon timber]

Discipline could have used another shadow spell (from what I read recently as cov / schism is odd to maintain with mindblast being a longer cd). I have zero idea as I'm not a priest but they are pretty ticked in forums usually.

thieve's just shouldn't exist honestly

[torpid briar]

I wonder if assa will not run the kingsbane cold blood stuff now

[halcyon timber]

KB only worked on the initial tick for CB no?

[torpid briar]

Also the healer changes pre stupid imo. Damage is already out of control

[torpid briar]

Yeah but it was hitting for 250-350k usually so idk if people still gonna take it after another KB nerf

[halcyon timber]

KB? still has weight no matter what. That's solid damage from a very cool CD.

CB? zero idea, would have to talk to the assassin boys on their thoughts on it.

[exotic dove]

I stopped running CB with Assa Builds a couple weeks ago

I personally didnt like it preferred other talents

I only use CB with certain sub builds now

[torpid briar]

I tried it as a meme then I hit a warr in a duel for 750k with it and enjoyed it

[exotic dove]

High ratings its easily telegraphed

but it is funny at lower ratings

[torpid briar]

Once I hit 1700 in SS which feels like 2400 I did find it killing a lot less

[exotic dove]

Yeah its a fun kill the noob thing but lasts till about that point I stopped using it in 2s at around 1600

Shuffle didnt really use it at all

3s I wont

[torpid briar]

Were you using shadow dance? Feels so wrong to use it it's such a sub spell

[exotic dove]

In 2s no in shuffle depended on what I was fighting

3s I used it alot more

I am a nelf though so I gain the benefit of meld stealth too

My winrates are still higher than last season well in 2s I am kind of at my cieling at 1900cr range right now so its in the 50% range

50-54ish percent anyway

[jolly bear]

lmaoooo

[exotic dove]

Fury warriors in 2s and shuffle are going to zug behind pillars mostly still and die in stuns with no trinket

that seems to be the majority of the fury warriors I fight

[jolly bear]

everything that you have to do requires you to be in melee distance

[waxen meteor]

Cause this is one of the least targeted spec

Literally zug all day

[jolly bear]

your defensives require you to be hitting the enemy

[worthy crag]

thats an indirect dark brew nerf right there

weaker sblades shadow dmg, less often

[halcyon timber]

yep it's an across the board nerf to us

it's impactful but doesn't kill us off and i'm cool with that.

was a solid round of tuning

[halcyon timber]

damage buff means we are more careless and blame other classes and healers - fury warriors

[jolly bear]

I was fury last season, once mages got their rework i quit

fucking impossible to play the game

[spring bough]

someone try this it slaps

[worthy crag]

so does shadowy duel detargeting bug happen all the time? or sometimes?

does anyone know what reproduces it?

[jolly bear]

thats a bug? lmao I thought it was just part of it

it confused me a lot at first

[jolly bear]

whats the difference from this and the meta? not super familiar with outlaw but curious

[spring bough]

does a ton of flurry damage like 125k flurries. and with deft you get CPs for each target flurry hits so with a lot of pets its full CP every flurry

[stoic spruce]

BF modifiers

[spring bough]

lmao

[stoic spruce]

You need to keep that shit down tho

Tf is wrong with you?

Post it on Facebook too why don't you

Jeez

[spring bough]

there were just a lot of pets in that one with the DK lol

[halcyon timber]

Since legion it has always done that. (When it was created, just more stuff is weird now as people “phase”).

[jolly bear]

why is it so hard to find a good guild on the largest alliance server

[worthy crag]

I guess i didnt word it well enough. I was wondering if it happens more often under some circumstances

cuz I notice sometimes it doesnt drop target

[worthy crag]

across the board, but a bigger nerf to dark brew build since both the changes target shadow damage

so there's the nerf + dark brew 10% amp is also going to be less increase

[halcyon timber]

Depends how the formula is in the end of the day but other secondaries and stuff will adjust that differently as well.

Definitely isn’t wrecking that style. Surprised tier didn’t take a hit

[inland mesa]

which spec

is meta 😍

[halcyon timber]

All 3 are solid bubs

[inland mesa]

if i get thunderfury ill main outlaw

someone send me ur key layout i need to remember these buttons

[stoic spruce]

Want us to play the game for you too? Lol

[inland mesa]

i want u to come here

its dec 1st and nnn is over

[stoic spruce]

Its a shame I'm celibate then.

[inland mesa]

whateverrr

show me ur keys

NOW

[stoic spruce]

You can't handle my keys

[inland mesa]

[stoic spruce]

Get nerded on

[inland mesa]

how much vers u have

what %

[stoic spruce]

I don't remember exactly but if you're outlaw, you prio vers>crit>haste>mast

[inland mesa]

acktually its agility vers mas

[potent pivot]

[inland mesa]

cute face reveal

[stoic spruce]

☝️🤓

[inland mesa]

okayyy

this is pikaboo layout

should i do it

popo where are u buddy

[stoic spruce]

If you like it, steal and it and customize it for yourself.

[jolly sierra]

better i dont show my own layout

and UI

[stoic spruce]

Your UI makes my brain bleed

[waxen meteor]

Keybind looks crazy to me

Crtl + 0

Alt + 8

[stoic spruce]

Could be an MMO mouse

[inland mesa]

he has mmo mouse

[waxen meteor]

Ah okay

[inland mesa]

the one with 12 buttons

yeah

[stoic spruce]

They're so nice

[inland mesa]

i have it too

[stoic spruce]

Literally everything I need at just a swift movement of my thumb

[inland mesa]

ur nice

[waxen meteor]

I was like who can press ctrl + 0

[stoic spruce]

I'm not as nice as I wish I was

[waxen meteor]

Michael Jordan hand size

[stoic spruce]

But ty

[stoic spruce]

Keyboard face smasher

[waxen meteor]

Must be playing street fighter on keyboard for 20 years

[jolly bear]

I fw mine

[waxen meteor]

Shoot, I missed this part

[jolly bear]

yup

outlaw the only one not nerfed yet

[inland mesa]

nice

[jolly bear]

what u find outside of dungeons

[shadow creek]

Question: what do y'all use for floating combat text? FCT doesn't seem to work very well anymore

[jolly bear]

mikscrollingbattletext

[jolly bear]

this ^ but I changed my settings so it doesnt look like this when you first get it

[steel skiff]

Thanks, I’ll check it out

[worthy crag]

so is demo nerfed or buffed

[halcyon timber]

No idea man, i dont speak warlock . “I think “they leveled their peaks out a little.

But will be possibly a chunky profile? I dunno

Ex: obelisk toned down but also affects melee swings of demons . Could promote varying powerful results

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=422919

With tuning suggests they will bank the buff as it is non dispellable and slightly buffed to compensate for “slower” demons.

My rogue brain thinks they will probably load up and then sling that at people as needed instead of in a “need to right now or im goofed”

[worthy crag]

so, if you sit on them and stop their casts their dmg is actually shut down

[safe turret]

Demo is like 80% pet attacks now kicking them doesn't do a whole lot, summon pets, summon tyrant which buffs all pets + obelisk then stun/coil/fear things as pets do all the work

they'll come out of these changes a bit weaker dmg wise

[waxen meteor]

Nerfed

[waxen meteor]

Free cast demo lock can do 120+k dps on dummy for 3 mins on single target

Most dmg do come from summons

But when you sit on them it does stop a lot dmg

[edgy sluice]

what is our stat prio for pvp? and is sub/assa different? when i look up players they have mastery high but when i bought the gear it showed me on wowhead to buy haste/crit

[robust night]

Rogue PvP vers mastery for both assa and sub, and some people are starting to take out some vers to stack some crit on sub

[edgy sluice]

ah okay well then i did an oopsie haha, thankyou!

[robust night]

Np 🙂

[edgy sluice]

what would the upgrade order be for conquest items?

[nova viper]

[stoic spruce]

@jolly sierra send me your pfp

Plz

[stoic spruce]

Send me your pfp

Plz

[jolly sierra]

this one?

lol

[stoic spruce]

Yes

Plzzzz

You'll love it

[jolly sierra]

i know how this will end

XD

[wary spire]

Chest from my favorite cata set.

[stoic spruce]

:)

[jolly sierra]

O O F

gimme

[stoic spruce]

I haven't the slightest idea how a panda would wear the hat

[jolly sierra]

dunno

i already switched it

XD

ty

[stoic spruce]

You're welcome!

:D

[waxen meteor]

This actually looks good

I didn’t realize female panda has bra before

[jolly sierra]

think it is from the jacket itself

[jolly bear]

lmao why

[jolly sierra]

xmas pfp

[jolly bear]

I sent it to him

[potent pivot]

wep, then the ones with more main stat etc

wep -> dps trinket -> w/e has more main stat

[jolly bear]

who likes my new pfp

[nova viper]

sexoooo

[waxen meteor]

We are the only one nerfed in middle class

And *2

[steel scarab]

That is really, really weird

[steady lynx]

guys is there a pvp talent to share for me :3 for assa or sub ? or we go st raid talents ?sry if it's dumb. new to PvP stuff

[jolly bear]

murlok.io

[halcyon timber]

Gotta keep the plate apes going man. “Paladins haven’t been good since x” meme

[stoic spruce]

you know what?

I fought against a few outlaw rogues and theyre really not as strong as theyre made out to be

I think they get called OP because its lumped together with Assa that has KB

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOO

[nova viper]

sub my boooy

[languid ravine]

QUICKLY! Rogue has been mediocre for TWO weeks in a row, we MUST NERF NOW

[jolly bear]

if people werent such crybabies this wouldnt happen

[halcyon timber]

Where rogues live

[jolly bear]

I dont appreciate you posting my selfies

[jolly sierra]

tsup homie

[jolly sierra]

yeah but i live in a sewer btw

[halcyon timber]

E X P O S E D

[stoic spruce]

Eridian

[nova viper]

chill in army

[jolly bear]

🤨 📸

[halcyon timber]

Wonder if destruction will smoke people with rifts now as well

[glass bear]

what embellishments are you guys playing on sub?

[halcyon timber]

Silken lining and the crit one ive been digging

Secondary stats / boots are nice too

[glass bear]

is silken the mastery one

[halcyon timber]

Yeppy

Just for a little boosty boost on stabbing time

[glass bear]

can i put secondary stat one on ring

if i want to use engi helm

[halcyon timber]

Good question, i didnt check that out but i think it isn’t slotted for rings. Would have to see again later. It will prob be my next spark i make though.

On ptr it was solid and the boys who use it now say it held true

[glass bear]

I might just jc seems like it could be more profitable

[jolly sierra]

nice nice

wajt are u in the army?

[nova viper]

yes

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[nova viper]

[jolly sierra]

never thought u were from there

[halcyon timber]

Good ol army, where we shaved in a canteen and drank coffee out of it right after.

Ranger dip was a fine dining recipe

[halcyon timber]

JC can be solid for sure. Im always into alchemy for nerdy stuff and my own stash of goods

[jolly sierra]

thought eng is the way to go in pvp even without gimmicks

cuz u can still get full stat googles

[glass bear]

looks like most at the top of the ladder are playing secondary stat embellishment helm just cause of the dr on mastery not sure what I will do yet I normally always do engi

[jolly bear]

I'm sorry for your loss, one day you will be a veteran like me and not hate your life (as much)

[nova viper]

nah im fine

[jolly sierra]

hmmmmm dunno there, but yeah secondary stat embelishment is good af

[jolly sierra]

he is from eu, maybe is rlly fine

[surreal barn]

My engi helm is versa

Bad idea? Maybe

I want the .02% less damage I don’t care lol

[glass bear]

not necessarily a terrible idea if you want to take less damage and stacking mastery xd

[surreal barn]

Yeah. After playing as assa I tried out sub today. First time this season

Felt damn near immortal

[glass bear]

dang

i'm not excited about the thief's bargain change

i like that talent a lot

[surreal barn]

I think it’s okay if you’re playing that brew build

The cdr build will suffer a tad tho

[halcyon timber]

Its a healthy change

Far better than punishing us with some ridiculous nerf that effs us up.

[quaint cedar]

I still never see other outlaw rogues. I thought the rework would get more people excited to play outlaw. Guess not.

[stoic spruce]

I honestly think it exasperated how much people just simply prefer the other 2 specs.

[quaint cedar]

I really think being the only non dagger spec holds us back. People don't play outlaw because they can gear vers mast with daggers and play both assa and sub. But if you gear for outlaw then you only play outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Daggers aren't in the loot table for outlaw is it?

[quaint cedar]

Yeah. Just makes me sad that no one seems to play our spec

No

[halcyon timber]

Because people have an archaic love for nonsense combat

[stoic spruce]

That's weird because some seasons, dagger in offhand is bis.

[halcyon timber]

Like the forums, they spread nonsense

[quaint cedar]

You can only equip dagger in offhand and it won't drop if your loot spec is outlaw

I always play two one handeds anyways for transmog purposes

[stoic spruce]

Same

[quaint cedar]

It's technically ever so slightly worse to do so, but not noticeable enough for me to care

And ya know, gotta look sexy

[stoic spruce]

I've never had a match where I go "damn if only I had a dagger in my off-hand"

[quaint cedar]

Yeah exactly lol

[stoic spruce]

If I can't have my precious dreadblades, I'm not interested.

[quaint cedar]

Aww dude I totally would have won that if I had a dagger!

[stoic spruce]

Lmao yeah that sounds so dumb

[quaint cedar]

Oh you mog dreadblades too? I use the black color

[stoic spruce]

Same!

[quaint cedar]

Nice! lol

[stoic spruce]

Ever since crackshot became a thing, I've gone for a more ghostly pirate theme

It's the only way I can justify it

[quaint cedar]

Oh that sounds cool

[stoic spruce]

Crackshot I mean

When I log I'll show you

[quaint cedar]

I can post my mog too later

[stoic spruce]

I have some normal leather pieces from bfa dungeons.

[quaint cedar]

Though you can find me pretty easily too lol

[stoic spruce]

Have you seen the leather sets from bfa dungeons??

[quaint cedar]

I'm the only dumbass playing kul tiran outlaw on the ladder lmao

Yeah, those are good

[stoic spruce]

I can't mog anything else. No set has came close imo

[quaint cedar]

Especially the mythic color varient, with the black and gold and red

[stoic spruce]

Yes!

[quaint cedar]

That shit slaps

[stoic spruce]

That's what I used to rock before

My absolute favorite set

I have the sack of gold back mog from the Diablo event

It completes it

[quaint cedar]

I like that

Would match perfectly

[stoic spruce]

Did you participate?

[quaint cedar]

My mog is pretty cool I think. I've been complimented on it a lot

It doesn't use any pieces from the same set either

But still looks very cohesive

And yeah I did the diablo events, well some anyways lol

[stoic spruce]

I should log on but I'm sooo sleepy

[quaint cedar]

lol

What have you been up to these days? Still mostly shuffle?

I tried getting a shuffle a few times already on my outlaw and didn't have the time to wait for the queues

Been too busy lately

Last I tried the queue was over 40 minutes and still didn't pop

And I had to just log without doing anything 😦

[stoic spruce]

Bro I gotta be honest. I haven't played too too much. Just enough to find my stats I like and get gear.

[quaint cedar]

Ah. Same.

[stoic spruce]

SoD screwed up queue times

[quaint cedar]

I love the rework, just really struggling with groups and queue times this season

And being busy irl

[stoic spruce]

I usually hit 1800 on my dk to upgrade pvp gear for pve and such but my god the queue times are horrendous

[quaint cedar]

I have one outlaw, my main, parked at 1800 in 2s. Can't get a shuffle, can't get groups quickly. And a 2nd at 1600 for the tier set. And that's all I've had time for really

[inner tartan]

i cant find any healers for 2s for outlaw whats a good partner

[quaint cedar]

Yeah. I hit 1800 within the first week which was cool, but now capping vault sucks ass because not a lot of people are playing 2s beyond just getting tier

[stoic spruce]

Depends on your goals but disc/Outlaw is almost always a good team

[quaint cedar]

For 2s as outlaw you want healers only. Best healers currently are disc and rdruid. Hpriest is good too but undertuned right now

Dude

[inner tartan]

ok new question how da f do i get a fucken healer xddd

[quaint cedar]

I played with a disc first week

And we slapped so hard

[stoic spruce]

You gotta be patient lol

Ikr? I got beamed by one during off-season.

[quaint cedar]

Won like 12 games in a row

So easy

Would have probably made it to 2k but he had to go sadly

And I haven't found a good healer since lol

[stoic spruce]

My gf mains healers but she never picks up disc

[inner tartan]

is monk healer any good i played it last season

[stoic spruce]

Even though we did very good as outlaw/disc in SL.

It's one of the better ones

[quaint cedar]

I used to play with my husband but he stopped wanting to play high rated games all the way back in SL

We learned arena together. Me on outlaw and him on rdruid

[stoic spruce]

I don't blame him

Get your 1800 and get out

[quaint cedar]

SL S3 onward I've been on my own lol

[stoic spruce]

Ripp

[quaint cedar]

We actually got 2100 our first season

Was S2 though which was inflated

[stoic spruce]

You remember the outlaw/aug/rsham comp I'm suppose to push with?

[quaint cedar]

But I've been hitting 2100+ every season since

He only plays pretty casually now

[inner tartan]

i dont go above 1800 maybe i should

[stoic spruce]

Aug is so bad

Sooo bad

[quaint cedar]

Really?

Was that this season or last?

[inner tartan]

last season some were ok some were jokes

[stoic spruce]

This season

[quaint cedar]

Oh gotcha

[stoic spruce]

All they do is LoS kill target

[quaint cedar]

I've heard aug is pretty shit now

[stoic spruce]

We had to go Scooby-Doo

[quaint cedar]

Tbh even last season I'm not sure if aug and outlaw were good together

Oh scooby doo is fun

I played that some last season

I also did a tiny bit of rmp this season on my alt rogue

Just with randoms

Went pretty well

[stoic spruce]

My goodness

I did 2s with my Aug friend

Fuckin

Ouch

[quaint cedar]

I really would love so much to get glad some day....

lol rip

Outlaw without a healer is....painful

[stoic spruce]

You either win on opener or you lose

[inner tartan]

i got 2 1800 last season as double dps that was a painfull lmfaooo

[quaint cedar]

You wanna know a really cursed comp?

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw gdruid

I played that too

[quaint cedar]

When me and my husband first tried arena in SL S2

[stoic spruce]

No I played arms gdruid

[quaint cedar]

The very first thing we tried was outlaw and ww monk

Good lord that was shit lmao

Then we tried outlaw boomie

[inner tartan]

outlaw pally can work

[stoic spruce]

Lol yeah they had no synergies at all back then

[inner tartan]

that what my most win were with

[stoic spruce]

Yeah thats Scooby-Doo

[quaint cedar]

And finally he switched to rdruid and THEN we got somewhere

[stoic spruce]

Ret rogue

[inner tartan]

oo ok

[stoic spruce]

Ruh roh

Get it? Lol

[inner tartan]

never watched or read scooby doo sry haha

[stoic spruce]

I love the name

Oh okay nvm

[inner tartan]

xd

[stoic spruce]

Ruh roh raggy

[quaint cedar]

Scooby doo and thug are my favorites to play so far in 3s

Of what I've tried anyways

Love the name too lol

[inner tartan]

thug is what

[stoic spruce]

I haven't played thug this season yet

Hunter rogue

[inner tartan]

i dont like playing with mm hunters they die to fast bm is ok i think suv dose betetr with a healer thou but that just me

[quaint cedar]

Sucks that we don't do creative names for comps anymore. Now it's all aug/feral/hpriest or whatever. No more names

[inner tartan]

i like scooby doo and thug some one gonna have to tell me what they mean thou hahah

[stoic spruce]

MM falls off in higher ratings later in seasons like outlaw does

But

[inner tartan]

low rating mm is fun

but i like playing suv better haha

[stoic spruce]

MM is so overturned usually that it doesn't matter and phdk with MM absolutely fucks

[quaint cedar]

The thug I played last season was mm and hpriest and that was super fun

The only 3s I've done so far this season was that rmp I mentioned

I've had 0 time lol

[stoic spruce]

I don't talk about the 3s I've done this season

We just don't

[quaint cedar]

LOL

[stoic spruce]

29 games

8 win

Never

EVER

Play outlaw aug

[quaint cedar]

LMAO

Ouch

[stoic spruce]

It was a 2v3 every match

[spring bough]

166k dps

highest yet so far lol

[inner tartan]

i have never done outlaw 3s dose outlaw do well in 3s

[stoic spruce]

You need coms but yes

[inner tartan]

do i get 2 be stupid and cleave people lmfaoo

[stoic spruce]

Don't be surprised when your dmg falls off into warr/pally/dk tho

[quaint cedar]

That happened to me sort of in the beginning of last season. I figured, outlaw is trash anyways, so I just played with some friends who were real bad. Ended up being stuck with a 30-40% winrate for a while

[stoic spruce]

There's no room for that

Shuffle sure

[inner tartan]

ahh ok

[quaint cedar]

Then no one wanted to group with me because my winrate was trash lol

Not doing that again

[inner tartan]

i played double dps 2s all of last season i didnt look at my win rate but it must have been terrible

i would go up to 1800 drop down to 1500 and go back up like a yoyo

[stoic spruce]

If my winrate isn't below 50%, chances are I took a break that season.

[quaint cedar]

Honestly 1800 as outlaw double dps last season is pretty impressive lol

Yeah idk what my 3s winrate ended up being last season but it did get better at least

I ended at like 2k or something

And 2.2k in 2s

[inner tartan]

dam nice

[quaint cedar]

My highest ever was 2.5k in shuffle in S1

Haven't had the willpower to grind it ever since

I think it broke me lol

[stoic spruce]

I should've played the lottery the other day. Guess how many BTE procs I got?

[inner tartan]

bte procs in 2s are soo nice

[quaint cedar]

More than 6?

[stoic spruce]

Way more

I had so many I got greedy and vanished on opener to keep it rolling (pun intended)

And brother

It kept rolling

[inner tartan]

🤣

i have been getting a anoying pug in pvp when i shadow dance and use bte it throw it on cd

so anoying

[quaint cedar]

lol love that about new outlaw. Making a choice to vanish aggro is really fun and interesting imo

[stoic spruce]

Well

I didn't have it when I needed

Nerf rdruid

[quaint cedar]

lol that's rough

Rdruid is so toxic in 2s ngl

But don't worry they are getting totally gutted on Tuesday

-15% to mastery comes out to around a 10% overall healing nerf

Will still be good in 2s I'm sure but idk how you can play shuffle as anything other than disc now

[stoic spruce]

I much prefer a disc meta than rdruid meta

Everytime I queue into rdruid it ruins my fun a little more each time

Tanks are more enjoyable.

[worthy crag]

usually cuz rdruid meta means they just invest 4 globals on throwing hots and spend the next 45 seconds in bear form

ok, maybe an exaggeration, but the next 15 seconds.

[spring bough]

got a full RTB earlier off the start of match i think i got vanish back in 20 seconds or so LMAO

[stoic spruce]

That's it

That's your luck for that next few years

You used it up

[worthy crag]

How many buffs are possible from RTB now? Is it like 1,2,5,6?

[stoic spruce]

5

[spring bough]

can get 5 off one roll

[worthy crag]

1, 2, 5? I know adrenaline guarantees 2 on the next one or smth

[spring bough]

all i know is i got CDR and went wild lol

[stoic spruce]

I think 1,2,5.

[worthy crag]

also, weekend is a considerably worse time to q RSS than weekdays..

[stoic spruce]

I want to say 3 but I may be misremembering

Ironic

[worthy crag]

I think in legion when outlaw was the new spec it had RNG for 1~6

[stoic spruce]

Are the odds for all the buffs the same?

[spring bough]

i think i get 3 pretty often esp with 4 pc

[stoic spruce]

Yeah thats different but you're right

I bet that's gonna be a talent next expac

[spring bough]

guaranteeing a buff is sick lol

[stoic spruce]

Blizz loves rehashing tier bonuses

It def is lol

[spring bough]

getting wrym crests from solo is so dope

love this fix lol

[worthy crag]

this is actually my first ever season using sec tech

and I dont know if it's better to never press it unless cold blood is also up

or just press it while waiting for CB

but im pretty sure its not much better than evis unless its CB buffed

[halcyon timber]

Its fine as is , would rather not be encouraged to use it at all as that creates unhealthy dependencies and weakens the kit.

[worthy crag]

what?

what's fine as is, and use what at all?

[stoic spruce]

I think he's having a conversation with himself >.>

[vapid ledge]

Tryin' our Sin for PvP. If I'm not running Dragon Tempered Blades what poisons do I run ?

[halcyon timber]

Secret technique

Stirring the pot as always popo

[stoic spruce]

:)

Remember

My takes aren't bad, people just lack imagination.

[worthy crag]

I guess the better question is, could I reset 2 sec tech CDs within cold blood CD

if cold blood is off cooldown and sec tech is on cd for another 20 seconds, it's gonna be a problem

[waxen meteor]

i do that

cb + tech always together

[glass bear]

what build are you guys running in SS on sub

[ivory aurora]

Bro why is Pikaboo telling people that rupture doesn’t work with ER

[jolly bear]

look what u did

[formal pagoda]

hello, can someone help me find the post with a good sub opener guide?

[worthy crag]

its currently an even split between goremaw/sectech vs dark brew thistle tea

[glass bear]

doing dark brew and thistle

not enjoying it might try the other

[worthy crag]

once you choose a build you kinda have to commit, because the secondary stats are pretty divergent

either mast + crit or vers + mast

BUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkQAAAAAAItkkUSEkikEiAHIJJJJSLlEJlWISSiAKRAAAAIBC

This is probably a good build to start getting into the goremaw sec tech style, though it's not the one I use myself

[glass bear]

ty can you share the other one too

[worthy crag]

alot of ppl take gloomblade instead of premed etc, but up to you to decide if gloomblade is worth it

the other one? the dark brew thing?

[glass bear]

yes

or whatever you are playing

[worthy crag]

i wouldnt recommend my own build to anyone else, cuz im the only one running it, but basically i run sepsis + shadowcraft instead of finality and deeper daggers for that link I shared, as well as swift death

also from that link feel free to remove shiv

you wont really ever get to press it

coudl invest it elsewhere

[waxen meteor]

I am also doing a very different build haha, I gave up dust and thief’s bargain this season and took all last row talents other than rotten on sub tree

[worthy crag]

DAOEVVRVFEUVQmJBQCFAPVFQUFRFVEUQSoEQCQQ
this is the dark brew and thistle tea build, gloomblade/replicating shadows is a good flex point here

and with vigor talented you have good amount of energy so you can take shiv if you want

[waxen meteor]

I do shiv or priest and sometimes when target just comes off freedom etc

[worthy crag]

yeah

I think shadowcraft is way better than 1 point in finality but apparently that's a hot take

[waxen meteor]

I take both

Tbh I think finality is quite big especially in blade period

[jolly bear]

couldnt get over how trash dark brew felt

[worthy crag]

I dont like it either but with enough mastery and crit it is a good build

also I think it depends on the comp like dark brew is prob better on rogue/lock/x

also its painful trying to get used to losing acrobatic strikes

[cosmic seal]

is assa dead rn ? Sub better for solo shuffle / 3s ?

[worthy crag]

nah all 3 rogue specs are far from dead

not sure how the kingsbane nerf will feel after tue tho

[waxen meteor]

I don’t think dark brew is trash at all.

Even purely from rupture standpoint it’s quite good

[waxen meteor]

Will see how next week goes, 15% nerf on KB is hard

[jolly sierra]

i hit 300k with KB in a crit

now should be like 245k

[spring bough]

got 175k peak before match ended lmao

[halcyon timber]

Brew is definitely good, its about the sum of the pieces. There is a lot of value in all of the talents including shadow craft.

[halcyon timber]

Gets stronger as time goes on with further applications as well no? So base hit 245 and X applications scaling if untouched could still potentially add up to 800k+

[jolly sierra]

dunno, usually further ticks hits for me like 20k in pvp

[halcyon timber]

Ah ok so initial is a big blast and dot is 154% over X sec increased by 20% each lethal. Got it.

[spring bough]

i love LFG lmaooooo. find a lowbie mage for some 2s in between solo que

he got blasted in one then starts ripping on me saying if ur not playing sub your dogshit LMAO

[halcyon timber]

Tell him to get a job

What a creature

[twin burrow]

Popo can use that advice

[halcyon timber]

Don’t wind him up man

[twin burrow]

I think it's a 'they'

[jolly sierra]

yeah, the first one is the relevant one

[jolly sierra]

tell him to touch some grass

[jolly sierra]

respect popo by giving me a xmas hat

[halcyon timber]

Popo is cool, don’t bother them

[sage sparrow]

any "cookie cutter" sin builds? just got my dood to 70 😄

Didnt see any in pins and Murlock kinda all over the place with what people are playin

[jolly bear]

it never stops boys

[worthy crag]

well, those statements aren't untrue

[jolly bear]

had they released us without those awful bugs then maybe they’d of gotten used to it first

but they cry more and we get nerfed again, they just want rogue to be cc bots

it’s just that almost every day I see a “nerf dh” “nerf rogue” post instead of a “skill issue” post

oh and the solo shuffle healer posts

[halcyon timber]

• call for team mate peel
• use a pet stun
• use a defense preemptively or kite
• off heal team mates
• peel for team mates

[safe turret]

Sub rogue is absolutely busted right now, shouldn't be surprised at people pointing that out

[waxen meteor]

it's true if your team doesn't know how to play against rogue

but when your entire lobby doesn't know how to play against rogue, most likely it also means they don't know how to play WITH a rogue too

thing is, if healer gets sapped, and another dps is not cced, and chooses not to interrupt rogue's open, i think whomever got opened will have to trinket and use defensive cd

probably only mage as exception

at the same time, there are plenty of instant skills just saves your teammate easily.
all the disarms, scatter shot, stuns and etc.

[agile olive]

Any of yall in a horde guild that does majority pvp? Im thinking more of 70 perc pvp, and the rest keys or raids.. Or well rounded in all three.

Trying to level a new toon

And join a guild like that

[stoic spruce]

post your bench

[mystic shoal]

I may fuck around a bit w Sub

just trying to decie on what build

[scenic mulch]

why do players on your team feel the need to stand overtop of you while your stealthed?

[mystic shoal]

just dont stealth near them

i generally let people run out first

then walk out behind them

[scenic mulch]

even so most of em just try to be ontop of me for some absurd reason -.-

[white gazelle]

Just do be stealthed??

[scenic mulch]

is echoing reprimand good for outlaw?

[tribal badger]

not rlly

[jolly bear]

I got 1v2'd by a fistweaver, I had a Fury warrior with me. I just dont understand

35m healing

[fiery gorge]

Which spec is best for rogue pvp ?

I guess subtetly ?

[vapid ledge]

From a very new Retail players perspective sub felt harder than sin or outlaw but I seem to be doing better as it

For me a lot of games I would get trained hard as Outlaw or Sin and it felt very rough to keep control of

But as sub I feel like I have a lot of escapes and mobility so I can play defensively and do my go around dance/blades etc.

[fiery gorge]

Yeah Sub was always pretty hard iirc

I played mostly in cata and panda and returned only recently

Sub was very OP back then imo but also very hard

lots of options and possibilities

How do you get PvP gear nowadays ?

Just spam battlegrounds and 2v2 arena or ?

[vapid ledge]

Just spam BGs for the green honor set. Should also do the weekly quest for your trophies of strife + the Warmode world quests for bloody tokens to get the Hellbloom gear to add to your set.

Make sure to do the quest in the emerald dream for the Splintered Spark of Dreams to make a complete spark , you use these to make the crafted boots and helm.

Basically collect green honor set + some purple Hellbloom pieces + make crafted boots/helm and you're g2g

The only weird part about gearing is Sub and Sin want the vers/mastery pieces. Outlaw uses vers/crit in as many spots as possible

[wintry dew]

Be sure to specify what boots and helm

B4 two sparks are wasted

[fiery gorge]

crit not important for Sub and Assa ?

Vers > Mastery focus ?

Anyway If so its good for me since I dont think I will PvP with outlaw anyway

it will be my Pve spec

[vapid ledge]

The crafted pieces are the Infurious Footraps of Indemnity and Life-Bound Cap btw

You'll get 2 trophies from the PvP quests that make them scale in PvP when you craft them

[vapid ledge]

Vers > mastery > crit > haste for sub at least

[fiery gorge]

Thanks

What does Versatility do ?

[vapid ledge]

It increases damage done and also decreases damage taken

[vocal latch]

did they fix ss bug?

[thorn pond]

Yes

[stoic spruce]

Do yall think rogue had a talent revamp or a rework?

I think of rogue had an actual rework, Outlaw wouldnt have Roll the Bones

[potent pivot]

def had a rework imo

might not be like a full rework from the ground up, but a lot more changed with this rework for rogue than we've seen in quite a long time

[stoic spruce]

See I don't think so because every spec still plays more or less the same.

I think there's a difference between a talent revamp with QoL changes and an actual rework.

[potent pivot]

i mean it was always still going to play like rogue

[stoic spruce]

But it could also play differently

Because classes and specs evolve

[surreal barn]

Normal evolution tho

Not magikarp

Ret had that magikarp evolution

[stoic spruce]

Which is why I say it's more of a revamp

Dk needs that magikarp Evo tho

[stable urchin]

is there a way to have a second "focuss" target?

[stoic spruce]

The closest thing i can think of are arena macros but that's ofc exclusive to arenas

[thorn pond]

Nope, but as Popo said, when in arena you can see the arena frames and have them macroed into something (like /cast [@arena1] Kick). Otherwise, the only other way to cast a spell or ability on a target that is not your target or focus is Mouseover macros

[halcyon timber]

Ret definitely turned to Red Gyarados from the Lake of Rage. Amazing that they believe they “don’t do damage” and that DS / BoP shouldn’t be dispelled.

[jolly sierra]

ret ascended to total illumination in s1

probably was their strongest incarnation overall

now its ok, that is nice for me lol

[halcyon timber]

Still do heavy ass hits and doesn’t get tuned but if rogues do anything near that - its illegal

Ferals doing 350k bites but if a rogue does 200k finisher, its forbidden

[stoic spruce]

I really need to level a pally

[halcyon timber]

Mfs hit hard constantly, people can get off our case

[jolly sierra]

do it, rets are funny af

[stoic spruce]

Okie dokie

Ty friends

[jolly sierra]

u welcome

[stoic spruce]

Should I play hpal, ret, or both?

[jolly bear]

lmfaoooo

[jolly bear]

hpal if you hate yourself, ret if you hate everyone else

[jolly bear]

I wanna be at their level of delulu

[jolly sierra]

i hate healing so i go ret

[stoic spruce]

I want to get into healing. I tried mw but that was rough for me.

[jolly sierra]

holy is also rough tho

it starves way too fast

[stoic spruce]

Well

I'm going to try it and see

[jolly sierra]

k

[halcyon timber]

On tuesday should be much better no?

“Much”

, holy has a crap ton of tools , mana is their trade i guess

[stoic spruce]

Well

[halcyon timber]

They sincerely believe with other ape classes that the game is balanced when they are smoking everything

[stoic spruce]

BoP is a non-issue for a lot of specs these days because 99% of specs have magic dam

But yeah I get it

[halcyon timber]

Do the refund talents not help? That’s pretty cool how they did shock and such now

And old school beacon bqck

[stoic spruce]

Oh idk lol

I've only dabbled in it

[halcyon timber]

Back

Lots of neat tools they gained, they were worked on just as much as Retribution

[fossil sierra]

am I bad or is RM hard af to play right now?

[halcyon timber]

Lots of classes have more defense than they used to and the mage has to be pretty solid to live and such when you jet

Warlocks just do damage no matter what , can kite , more durable, multi schools of cc on relatively short cds which end up being an easier team mate to play with

[spark star]

Doe any1 know if you gouge some1 when they have bleeds or poison dots active if they will stay gouged for those 3 seconds or will they come out on the first tick?

[halcyon timber]

It will break, just like sap.

[jolly sierra]

break w tick

[sharp sierra]

shuffle queue bugged?

shows 78 min for avg time frame

this is at 2300 mmr

[spark star]

Guys what is that shaman aoe blue electric spell that grips you to the center lol.

Anyone else having trouble with that? Lol

[waxen meteor]

Oh that’s a quite op skill

[nova viper]

sexo

[waxen meteor]

Just circle you there buddy

No way out

[spark star]

I just swapped to kingsbabe from 4 poison blades and omg its awesome . Never tried it all last season I didn't want to listen lmao. Yall just run wound and crippling ? Is there any comp that you would use deadly?

BTW thank you all for being a friendly community and answering my questions I appreciate it alot

[waxen meteor]

You can do deadly + crippling as well

But you sort of have to give up disarm for hemo

[spark star]

If there is a healer I would assume wound but I was curious about self healing If it's worth it to use deadly

[halcyon timber]

Static field, gotta kill the totem

[spark star]

I run hemo unless there is crazy zug usually then I'll run disarm

Thank you so frigging much

[halcyon timber]

No sweat man

[jolly sierra]

or with SEXOOOOOOO

[olive light]

Without Hemo then I would switch deadly to wound unless you’re playing with a steady MS

[spark star]

Yea I've never run deadly yet since swapping 2 kingsbane damage has been doing good I might actually hit 1600 for once lol

Much love

[sharp sierra]

why are res timers 45 mins in wow lol

literally waiting 45 min

to res

thats insane i can't play and have to wait 45 minutes lol

[surreal barn]

/reload

[waxen meteor]

Time to reroll to healer

[mystic shoal]

how many times did you die bro what LMFAO

[mystic shoal]

I run disarm/wound against pretty much anything that isnt a caster

oh except Paladin

DK you might not need it but if you disarm them they can't death strike

Very valuable to disarm any type of rogue, warr, hunter, or DH to stop their burst

holy spelling error LMAO

Hemo is pretty cool but I usually don't even take it, I think manuverability is GOATED

short fucking sprint CD to quickly LOS warlocks and shit

Spriest

etc

[spark star]

I really like how they reworked rogue I didn't play for a few months and came back and talents reworked

What does manurverabILITYy make it like 30 sec cooldown !?!M

[mystic shoal]

Yeah it's pretty good. They could do a lil bit more to make specs a bit more competitive

like Find Weakness for Outlaw or a bit more health for Sin. Sub is in a good spot imo

[mystic shoal]

Yes it's actually insane

[spark star]

For sure. I hope they contribute to pvp more if I was jn their area I would be out there with picket signs

That's crazy bro 30 sec Imight have to try that

I never played sub I tried but kinda afraid of it only played assassination and I love it

[mystic shoal]

A lot of times if you're pillaring you can do some crazy shit like stutter a warlocks cast, break combat, stealth, sprint around into a garrote silence

or double silence depending on if healer is next to him or not

Manuverability is goated LMAO

[spark star]

Hmmm. Yea I never knew it could help you stealth or break a ranged cast

I only usually use it to sprint in and sap some 1 lmao

Question. When your in subterfuge, shadow dance etc. Does garrote still silence?

[mystic shoal]

Yes

[spark star]

Wow that's dope

[jolly sierra]

dh just backflips and disable the disarm

[spark star]

Need to be more aware. So hard so much going on with So much utility that's why I love rogue its like you always have so many options so it's continually challenging and never gets old

[mystic shoal]

my shadowdance is macro'd w kingsbane, trinket, tea, and cold blood so a lot of times I'll shiv, bomb, shadow dance kingsbane macro and then step the healer into a silence

pretty fun

[mystic shoal]

please dont fucking remind me

LMAO

[spark star]

When's a good time to disarm the dh ?

I can get away with the hunt with shadow meld

[jolly sierra]

xd

[mystic shoal]

I disarm in meta

[jolly sierra]

never

dont

use another talent

[mystic shoal]

LMFAOOOOOOOO

[spark star]

Intriguing

[mystic shoal]

if they dont have vengeful retreat they cant do shit

but w how solo shuffle is a lot of times if they're with a warrior i'm saving disarm for the warr over the DH

[spark star]

Is there anyway to know what talents they have without just winging it for example when a druids tranquility I heard there was a talent which makes it un cc-able. Unless they don't have the talent. Instead of wasting kidney to tell lol

[mystic shoal]

most druids run that so I wouldn't even waste a kidney on that

[jolly sierra]

they ALWAYS uses vengeful retreat

the cd is easily exchangeable w disarm

[spark star]

Are there any other spells I need to look out for that make them un cc-able. ? I continually waste kidneys on ppl who are un cc-able lol

Warriors alot

Sometimes mages

[mystic shoal]

warriors parry

[spark star]

Disarm would take care of that lol

[mystic shoal]

DH has a frame or two where they're immune when they go into meta

which is fucking stupid imo

yeah when I burst on warriors I disarm them

or disarm their goes

same w rogues

rogue presses shadow dance ur immediately getting disarmed buddy have fun not playing the game

Then they prolly do it back to me 😦

[jolly sierra]

dh in meta landing is cc inmune

if u wanna troll them and u dont play assa just gouge them in eye beam

or kidney idk

[jolly bear]

this is what happens when you give a wheelchair class power, you give them an inch they want a mile and an AK-47

[waxen meteor]

Essence break

You can block the timing they want to use dance blade and sweep

[halcyon timber]

Rets

[halcyon timber]

Honestly don’t know the visual other than a big ol slash right? They do 50000 things and it looks like burn out revenge if you remember that game. No skillful driving just getting turbo boost for crashing into shit and wrecking people

No eyebeam metamorphosis would prob slow them tf down too

[halcyon timber]

rOgUe iS uNbEaTabLe

[jolly sierra]

track it guys

like colossus and shit

[waxen meteor]

Yeah like a big purple wave

[halcyon timber]

Yeh figured that’s what it was along with the sinister strike looking icon

[mystic shoal]

LMFAO

[halcyon timber]

XD

[mystic shoal]

People cry about rogues but warriors and DHs get rating by pressing 1 2 3 4

and holding W

Good rogue players are on average just better players than other classes

in both PVE and PVP

so then when we look super good we get nerfed 😦

[halcyon timber]

Archaic hate for rogues is dumb and continues forward . Double standard logic other classes have. Rogues have to control stuff, other classes don’t have to but can but don’t solely exist in it.

People want stuff to be like comp stomp

[mystic shoal]

The trope that rogues should only be CC bots is wild

and I hate it

[halcyon timber]

Yeah I really hate it.

[stoic spruce]

Imma be honest

I really don't see rogue hate outside the forums

[jolly sierra]

in outdoor happens a lot tho

always ppl piss on the rog

[vocal latch]

thats what pve is there for tho

btw, question about Sub, we running 4 piece with new talents?

*set

[halcyon timber]

Its ok, its up to you in the end of the day.

[vocal latch]

was just thinking cuz of tea, we get the 20% mastery and we get over 100% mastery easily while crit starts to get u more value

so it didnt look bad at all the set

[halcyon timber]

Agreed, it can be solid but yeah, up to you. Finality and tea are prob getting hit hard soon. Dunno how but yeah

[vocal latch]

well yeah, didnt think about nerfs

just about to hit 1.6k on my rogue and wasnt sure if i should get shoulders for set and complete it (found gloves in vault) or legs and go for the 4 set

[jolly bear]

I finally got it

[exotic comet]

Tesota how tf did you get that?

[waxen meteor]

That is simply silly

[jolly sierra]

gratz

[jolly bear]

bro I had to do like 7 +16s and a +18 and hella lower dungeons on a different spec just to be able to craft it

I was playing out of my mind

just to not die

[jolly bear]

that’s what everyone who isn’t a rogue wants though and the devs are listening

[waxen meteor]

well, that's just because there are too many pvp noobs, and we are noob killers
we can even put pvp aside, from lore and design stand point, rogue, especially sub rogue is an apparent lone wolf. how can a lone wolf be a support role? these two concepts are just conflict to each other. You play in stealth, and you play alone, and you are a support, lol.

In primarily all games,

1. lone wolves are higher skill required and higher performance in high skill range, it aligns with rogue.
2. lone wolf get punished because it doesn't collaborate with others easily, which is super real at least in sub 2400 rankings...

[surreal barn]

Just went 4/2 with petkick in the lobby

Yes he’s as good as they say lol

It was me/dk/dh/subrogue

Was running for my life

[jolly bear]

if you play league at all, look at pyke. for him to function as a support he HAS to have kill pressure. he's literally an assassin support, and he has 2 hard cc abilities and stealth. if he doesnt have damage there's no reason to pick him over a tank support

so tell me. what good is a cc bot with no damage and no defense

these people are delulu

[halcyon timber]

Augmentors can potentially hit people for 250k consistently which mind you rogues are using 1 min cds with other things to do that.

the classes that are upset are also getting extended life pools and other tools next week as well. They can shove it.

[jolly bear]

and then we got MW monks crying that they're being nerfed when they can literally 1v2 dps

that is not okay

[halcyon timber]

Shaman can stun with their golem on command if they choose to, warlocks can command demons while cc'd as well. Hunter cannot but hunter can roar / interlope and then use their now improved 40%? defense if needed ?

[jolly bear]

the fact that they buffed MM...

[halcyon timber]

yeah fist weaving is pretty dang strong

I'm all for everyone being strong, i'm not down for riding the cc bot train.

idgaf what people get as long as rogue damage is there

people forget throwdown and gag order existed back in the day but continued to gripe about garrote from us.

[jolly bear]

I saw a post from a caster player crying that melee damage and mobility needs to be nerfed and they need to be kitable at all times to be fair

so their idea of a fair meta is, perma kited melee but if you get hit by the melee once you die

thats dumb

people just wanna cry

range has hella tools for living

[inner tartan]

? is this right

[jolly bear]

if you cant create an opportunity for yourself sounds like a skill issue

[halcyon timber]

example: Just killed a balance druid, he bear formed at 20% life, didn't trinket, didn't stun, didn't root but will 12000% say "rogue killed me with nothing nErF roGues"

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[halcyon timber]

I think the tooltip is bugged on that one chiefy, i'm confused xD

[stoic spruce]

Oh tooltip lol

God I wish lol

[jolly bear]

but they can run around spamming all instant casts and cyclone and still top the dps charts in arena while being unkillable

[halcyon timber]

nope this isn't vanilla , they can shove it

caster's have mobility and talents to improve QOL stuff but refuse to take it because their bro said take damage for 2% on fairy fart or whatever.

[jolly sierra]

did he flamed u in DM?

[inner tartan]

it 15 percent in pvp right

[waxen meteor]

i don't play lol, but i knew it's a moba ish game...
Wow is still a RPG, imagine playing lone wolf in world map, trying to be a support for yourself \

[halcyon timber]

RPG aspect of it needs to remain intact, wow and other mmos / rpgs are modeled after DnD in the end anyway. Everyone "being good at everything" shouldn't exist.

Pve community def needs to chill out with " I need to do AOE toooo" and such. There should be choices to be made and difficult choices need to be made. Can't have everything.

[waxen meteor]

yeah everybody crying for equalness is so dumb

[jolly bear]

tbf if not every spec has some kind of AoE then they literally cannot do a huge chunk of content, being m+

[waxen meteor]

that's essentially one of the biggest reasons people left wow

during cata and panda

everybody got same skill then

change an animation and made up a name there you go

[surreal barn]

Nope, always cool when you play with the greats

[halcyon timber]

shouldn't be doing mass AOE anyway and silly crap

leave aoe nonsense to caster pajama classes

keystones are cool but tough choices should be made. ain't no body should be good at everything.

[jolly bear]

no one would take a spec that doesnt do decent AoE into a keystone

raiding is ass

so what else does a casual player have

[surreal barn]

Transmog

[halcyon timber]

Dunno and don’t care, shouldn’t do everything as that isn’t true balance. Make your own keystones is what we would do.

[jolly bear]

making my own is how I got most of this lol

[halcyon timber]

Defeats the whole purpose of design and balance. That’s the whole point of skill trees and classes and why we are different

Pretty slick stuff man

Ill do stuff once finals are over

[halcyon timber]

Too tied up with that currently

[jolly bear]

im done with m+ on my rogue tbh

I just wanted that weapon

[spring bough]

i just copped that 483 time dagger XD

time strike doing like 2% of my overall not much but nothig w out the dagger lol

[waxen meteor]

exactly

[spring bough]

keystones arent bad at all this season and yall can farm more mogs XD

[waxen meteor]

rogue had been so bad at aoe

but who cares
at worst case, just prepare one spec of a class to be ready for different scenario that's fine

[spring bough]

outlaw wrecking keys lol

[waxen meteor]

in old days, sub is basically the pvp spec, and outlaw was basically the pve spec

everybody lived fine

not the end of world

[wintry dew]

How long ago we talking about?

[waxen meteor]

15 years ago?

when wow was at prime 🙂

[wintry dew]

Prime

Big kappa

Most people wanted to play wotlk because it ended what wc3 started

And most left after that because they had "finish" the game

[jolly bear]

feels good

[halcyon timber]

That’s fine and all but if people want aoe they need to trade talents

And stop whining about single target

[waxen meteor]

Illidan and LK for sure a major selling point for wow

but TBC and WLK was also great game of era for sure

Not saying it was better than today

[halcyon timber]

I aint there to pad, im there to smoke the living christmas out of priority targets and support aoe

[waxen meteor]

but there are lots of things are still fundementally okay

people just cry for everything now

well, not only for gaming

[wintry dew]

The only good thing you had going was kinda class Identity

[waxen meteor]

that's general

[halcyon timber]

Separation of classes should and will be maintained

Or you end up with bfa

[wintry dew]

You needed a insert class here because it did random stuff that other classes couldn't

[ivory radish]

im so mad wowhead said the illusion for 2.1k is shadow flame and i just got 2.1k and its somw subtle dumb green sprinkle rofl

[wintry dew]

It was for s2

We in s3

[ivory radish]

yeah but look at this disinfo

that was my main drive to get 2.1k and I was RUSED lol

[wintry dew]

Oh they fucked up

I mean gratz on the 2.1 but they really fucked up on that one xD

[ivory radish]

I've never been so relieved to be done and then so immediately disappointed right after in my life lmao

they could have atleast made S3 cool

[jolly bear]

clearly you have never gotten a 99 on runescape

[wintry dew]

I'm sure you'll find a tmog for that illusion

[wintry dew]

Same with s1

[ivory radish]

@jolly bear bro getting capes was awesome

[wintry dew]

Looks like shit

[ivory radish]

yeah same with all of shadowlands haha

S2 was a banger tho

[jolly bear]

and the then feeling of overwhelming emptiness after

[ivory radish]

nah I loved flexing the capes

[jolly bear]

I had comp cape

5 120s

[ivory radish]

anyways thanks for letting me cry to strangers on the internet to vent off some of the frustration lollll

[waxen meteor]

oh that's sad

yeah you missed one of the best ones

lol what's going on, i am top1 dps for lfr raid for all 3 bosses

[jolly sierra]

weird, i recall he was so toxic than a guy did a even more toxic move by creating a twitter acc with his irl photos with a silly title

[jolly sierra]

k, then doesn't worth the run

ty wellinth

[hybrid rapids]

Hey guys as assa and sub do you want 2 set or 4 set, also which pieces are recommended?

[waxen meteor]

Neither need 4 set now

but both okay with 4 set

i think best is hand + shoudler

[inner tartan]

🤣 🤣

i quess vulpera and moonquard has a realy nice rep

[jolly sierra]

we are discussing 4set in assa

and dunno

works like shit in arena

eksdee

[inner tartan]

it make envenom explode right or something

sin 4 set

[waxen meteor]

Depends on how you define explode

[tiny forge]

hey how are we supposed to use bone spike as assa?

im assuming the spikes dont stack the dot dmg

[jolly sierra]

by using it twice

it does like 20k dmg

or like 40k

if it hits 1 target

or even less

lolol

[waxen meteor]

Just throw there and let it tik