pvp

[jolly sierra]

my interface

[stoic spruce]

I thought yall were joking but it really gets worse as it goes on lmaoo

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDDD

[lucid citrus]

You can barely see other nameplates with your UI😂

[jolly sierra]

i can see their cds floating around

XD

[hushed kraken]

How is the sub rogue shadowstrike bug not fixed yet

[gray sandal]

OK thanks. Was jsut looking for a outlaw pvp rogue stream

[waxen coyote]

so annoying

[hushed kraken]

its been like 3 weeks

and its like actually a massive deal

[waxen meteor]

I am having a hard time to decide now

i can go world pvp chest -> convert to 4 tier

or i exchange back and waist by trophy and have 2 items to 486

[jolly sierra]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

maybe the second one is better

[waxen meteor]

i think so too

it looks like 4 tier doesn't mean too much to us anyway

for sub/sin

especially sub

20% of the 35% is like 7% only

and it happens not commonly

[hallow crescent]

wha tier pieces do I want?

[waxen meteor]

what spec do you run

[hallow crescent]

sub

rn

[waxen meteor]

probably just leg/hand

or shoulder + hand

[hallow crescent]

I have chest and I can take shoulder from vault lmao

I woulda thought chest was good cus vers so I upgraded it last week haha

[waxen meteor]

if you have conquest vers/mastery chest, it's quite solid

you have two charges for tier anyway

[hallow crescent]

tier chest :/

I used the one last week on the chest

[waxen meteor]

you should have a new charge ttoday

if na

[hallow crescent]

is 4 set good or just 2 set?

[waxen meteor]

it seems quite debatable

I think chest stat is not that good for sub

i personally think for sub it's hand > shoulder > leg > chest > head

head we use craft

for sin, it's probably okay

[stoic spruce]

I got tier shoulders for outlaw

I can have a little mastery as a treat

[waxen meteor]

I feel for sin, mastery isn't really much better than vers

so all 4 pieces are okay

[sharp pumice]

Figured it out, must have had full quest logs when I opened the boxes, consortium leaflet is the item

[jolly bear]

so have we come to a conclusion about mace vs dagger offhand for sub rogue with new secret techniques?

[inner tartan]

what gear is save to buy with conquest and not get fucked by vault

[topaz delta]

have we figured out the best usage of our trophies of strife for sub or assa yet?

wrist and belt maybe?

[jolly sierra]

dude dude dude dude

tried wild arcana today

with my warr

a fucking bear w 6m hp was trolling for like an entire hour in outdoor

there

called a homie from pve w his priest to mc him and make his buffs fade

we did it and the fucker stayed close anyways

we killed him slowly but we did it

what a fucker

[jolly sierra]

dagger

[gleaming pawn]

new shadow tech is worth more than a little bit of mastery, so dagger offhand for Sub

[restive hemlock]

What second embeliishment is Outlaw running ?

[sharp pumice]

Indemnity boots seem to be De Wae, yes, but what are we using for our secondary embellish?

Blue Silken (Mastery over 90%)?

[jolly bear]

murlok has everyone going mace

[waxen meteor]

Secret tech doesn’t do any diff for off hand speed

It’s just shadow tech allows you to save a bit more cp

Vs mastery - crit secondary stat

Which one you think better

[jolly sierra]

outside sub i think the verdant conduit embellish is very good too

[waxen meteor]

In theory you can also do as panda suggest just do a off hand mastery dagger

[jolly sierra]

also ppl from other classes are using it too, and it does interact

[waxen meteor]

So you get both

[jolly sierra]

dunno if sub is better w silken

atm

[waxen meteor]

Silken is okay for sub

Not main target most games

[jolly sierra]

then is fine

but if u dont wanna silken try verdant

[waxen meteor]

If it starts to fall just recraft I guess

[sharp pumice]

that was another one I had my eye on

think blue silken kinda makes more sense from a rogue perspective

as we're either at full hp avoiding all damage or dead on the floor

[jolly sierra]

yeah tbh i was never pro silken

90% hp threshold is way too high

w verdant up now think its better

and in murlok.io other classes are leaning for that too

[halcyon timber]

90% is fair as that is a big jump in mastery.

Definitely playing with other tools atm though

[jolly bear]

12/50 using dagger that's why I'm thrown off

[halcyon timber]

They are just using it for stats

No other reason

[jolly bear]

so then are those stats that much more valuable?

[halcyon timber]

Eh

[jolly sierra]

is for stats, but as u were explained before

its better to run dagger as sub rn

just craft a dagger w a wyrm crest

[jolly bear]

doesnt that mean I gotta do M+

[jolly sierra]

no

just go to vault

pick 6 coins

and exchange them for the crest

[halcyon timber]

^

Yep

[jolly bear]

so I gotta wait a week and also give up my item from vault for that week rip

[jolly sierra]

huh

even i recall

[rancid merlin]

"Craft a dagger" what dagger?

[jolly sierra]

raz explained u the reason to run a dagger

[jolly sierra]

the one from blacksmith

[rancid merlin]

0.o

[jolly bear]

yeah but if the top 50 are valuing the stats over the secret tech procs doesnt that say something?

[jolly sierra]

if u are guided for just stats rather than something a r1 or a multiglad says directly to u as advice then sure go for the mace

in week 1 nobody outside here knew what to run as assa in talents and that was checked in murlok.io

we were aware here about what to run since weeks ago and ended being the right choice

[jolly bear]

copy I'll go with the daggers

[rancid merlin]

where can I go read this raz explanation, is it pinned?

[jolly bear]

long story short, you generate more combo points with a dagger via secret techniques + slice and dice than with a sword/mace, but there are no pvp vers-mastery daggers only mace/swords

[proven kayak]

i use dagger cus its cooler

[rancid merlin]

ohhh

[jolly bear]

so the debate is what's worth more, the mastery from the weapon or the combo point generation

[proven kayak]

bro its minor

just take what u like for mog

[jolly bear]

yeah I'm going dagger

[rancid merlin]

I dont have BS, so whats the name of this dagger?

[proven kayak]

Go to craft order and you will see it molten something

[wintry dew]

primal something

beware there is an agility one and an intellect one

[rancid merlin]

Thx

[jolly sierra]

no, in chat

lemme find it again

[rancid merlin]

good looks

[jolly sierra]

he said after rework it works even better w a dagger rather with a random off hand as stat stick

[wanton breach]

igira mythic is probably gonna be the best dagger for pvp

[jolly sierra]

ye agree

specially on druids

if u can leech them in bear form

[rancid merlin]

Dagger it is, say no more looks way cooler for mogs. I am sold

🙂

[twin burrow]

It's normalized

So unless blizzard said otherwise I don't agree with this at all

[rancid merlin]

explain?

[twin burrow]

Speed == more procs

Is not true

[twin burrow]

And why you would want more shadow tech over mastery is a bit strange

[rancid merlin]

so where is it said by blizz that speed doesnt == more procs?

[jolly bear]

it's not like FDK where your weps and wep speed affect your dmg

[twin burrow]

Just switch weps and tell me if the tooltip changed

My info is old, but it was confirmed that shadow tech was nornalized

[jolly bear]

it didnt

they just changed it when 10.2 dropped

[twin burrow]

Then I take it back, you'll get more from dagger. I still don't think it's worth losing mastery. Where you guys not at 94+ mastery last season?

[jolly bear]

I was 99%

[jolly sierra]

just craft a dagger

kek

[jolly bear]

gotta do +16s for a conq level pve wep

[jolly bear]

yeah nothing about slower weps being as effective

just says auto attacks. if you get more auto attacks you get more chances

[twin burrow]

With shadowblades rework do you really need random cb?

Yeah then it has changed i stand corrected. Still don't think it's the move but we will see

[jolly sierra]

oh u will w this

[jolly bear]

yeah that's what I thought

[jolly sierra]

that is was raz was explaining

[twin burrow]

That seems pve

[jolly sierra]

but he always sassy talks so no more details bout that

[jolly bear]

my question before was losing the mastery worth gaining the combo points but it seems like it is

[twin burrow]

I don't think so

[jolly bear]

so thats why the whole thing got brought up

[twin burrow]

We run zone of focus , imagine giving us zone of focus for a slightly higher change to gain a combo point lol

[rancid merlin]

I mean if this has already been discuss, why arent we activley pinning these Screenshots and thus avoiding this convo 🙂

[fading yacht]

For sub in PvP, will we be using our two set again? if so, which pieces of gear will we be using?

[jolly sierra]

well it stores combo points now

so i think is still relevant to consider

[jolly bear]

gloves, and then the choice is between shoulders/legs

from what I've seen

[jolly sierra]

cuz ppl is still doubtful about that

even w sources

i say

[rancid merlin]

word

[jolly sierra]

we always heard the word from multiglads and r1, right?

look at palumor and how ppl bandwagon him

[fading yacht]

Thanks! You know how we get a tier piece from 2k myth rating, heroic raid completion, etc. Is there a difference between the PvP one and the PvE one besides the fact that the PvP one scales higher in arena and BG?

[jolly bear]

no

the added effect is the pvp scaling

but as for the PvE ilvl, idk how they deal with that

they're exactly the same item

but idk how they scale the PvP version in PvE

[tribal badger]

its not normalized

and shadowy tech is not a random cp anymore

[rancid merlin]

are we running footwraps with Ver/Mast?

[tribal badger]

it stores up charges then refunds an entire finisher when it would give u cp to get a finisher

letting u chain finishers

dagger procs substantially more finishers

could be the dif of an entire eviscerate in a dance window easily

[fading yacht]

From what I’ve seen, they’re the same ilvl but the PvP one scales with PvP but the other one doesn’t. Like they’ll both be 486 but the PvP one scales to 489 in bg and arena

But I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing anything

[tribal badger]

they made shadowy tech good, and its a flat chance per auto attack meaning it scales directly with attack speed

[jolly bear]

so then why would they bother making a non PvP scaling version? seems strange

[tribal badger]

it starts higher ilvl so it saves you some crests

but yes it is strange

[jolly bear]

that's dumb imo should just allow them to be the same item

all it does is confuse people

[jolly sierra]

yeah its dumb

it think is just

to avoid having pve running over pvp

[rancid merlin]

don't skip over my lil boot quetion 🙂

[jolly sierra]

when u have weapons

[twin burrow]

You can only chain finishers with shadow craft lok

[jolly bear]

these are the only boots

[jolly sierra]

and avoid having them being pointless compared to pvp conq weps

[rancid merlin]

thx

[twin burrow]

But now I agree dagger seems p good

[tribal badger]

true but outside that it will give u 1 builder finishers

they made shadowy tech super good

if it has the charges to fill ur bar when u press a builder it will consume them to give u max cp

[jolly bear]

evis > shadowstrike > evis

[tribal badger]

yea

like that

[twin burrow]

Cool makes sense thanks all

[rancid merlin]

I was thinking maybe to make a new boot with vers mastery instead since losing the vers/master off hand

[twin burrow]

FYI it was definitely normalized before the rework for what it's worth lol

[jolly sierra]

ty to u guys, at least helped me w the argument

[stoic spruce]

So who was it that said something about assa 15k tier ticks?

[tribal badger]

end of the season we can save up and just make a 486 ilvl mastery oh anyway

[jolly sierra]

im just assa so i just checked the pve claims and what raz said

[stoic spruce]

Or something like that

[tribal badger]

3 ilvl in an offhand is nothing

doesnt need to be a pvp dagger

[jolly sierra]

the 4set?

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[jolly sierra]

ahhh

yeah

that happens

[gleaming pawn]

it was always based on auto attack and was not normalized, that was the other benefit to using the slow offhand besides the mastery, making your shadow tech procs more easily played around and known

[jolly sierra]

when it hits multiple targets

[jolly bear]

I understood how it worked I just didnt know if it was better or not, but now I know for sure. It just messed me up seeing 38 out of the top 50 using mace offhand

[jolly sierra]

if it hits just one

[stoic spruce]

9k crit from unholy 4pc

[jolly sierra]

it does like 40k

[jolly bear]

and I think the 6 using conq dagger offhand were just lucky in vault this week

[jolly sierra]

wut where is it

[jolly bear]

so more like 44/50 using mace offhand

[stoic spruce]

Shadowbolt, 6th from the bottom

[jolly sierra]

assa does shadow bolts now?

lol

[stoic spruce]

That's unholy

[jolly sierra]

im lost w that

[jolly bear]

idk what im lookin at

[stoic spruce]

Unholy 4set is the worst set bonus

[jolly sierra]

aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh

gotcha gotcha

nah dont hear the 15k guy

it hits 40 when it works

[stoic spruce]

I just thought it was funny how he said "15k tick with tier boooo" when unholy literally crits 9k lol

With theirs

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDD

[stoic spruce]

Ironic considering it's the coolest armor set this season.

[jolly sierra]

i rlly hate current season elite rog set

but really love the former one

[sharp stone]

bros

[rancid merlin]

Bro its 15k for all the Primal Molten alloy to make that dagger on my realm

sigh

[tribal badger]

i mean unless u have 60 aspect crests to make the upgrade item as well

[sharp stone]

i was away for a week what do we use wpvp trophies for this week

[tribal badger]

i wouldntbother with it lol

[sharp stone]

hellbloom belt?

[stoic spruce]

This might be a hot take but the last good rogue set was the mythic dungeon leather set in BFA. Not even exclusive to rogue.

[tribal badger]

having 300 more mastery on an oh is not a thing worth worrying about

until ur in like full optimized pvp gear maybe

and looking for tiny things

[jolly sierra]

what the heck

[jolly sierra]

i have the one from corrupted season

ugly af

but im currently using the illusion from that season

matches very well w my xmog

[rancid merlin]

right ....all hail pve server sigh

[jolly sierra]

thought prices were region wide

[rancid merlin]

hmm are they not the same price on your server then?

wait do i not need the rank 3of it?

does that even matter?

[jolly sierra]

im in EU

prices are constantly overstepped by both bots or a random russian

[jolly sierra]

it does to have a better finishing

[rancid merlin]

yeah us rank 3 is 900 per 1

[tranquil saddle]

bots are rampant in the EU

[jolly sierra]

yeah i constantly need to drop and repost stuff

[gleaming pawn]

I don't understand how we are still talking about this

the offhand is for procs and poisons only

the honor dagger is fine

the trophy of strife dagger is fantastic

the conq dagger in your offhand is the last piece you ever buy

wasting crafting timegates on a dagger for pvp in your offhand is beyond silly

[jolly sierra]

why we are?

cuz 2 weeks ago it changed w the rework

[vocal surge]

set is priority for Outlaw

2p is essentially us getting back Weaponmaster

[stoic spruce]

Inc new talent next expac that does the same thing our tier does now

[peak agate]

I would be about more poison focus abilities for assassination.

[sharp stone]

got to be kidding me

[rancid merlin]

get back in there!

[exotic dove]

Anyone using Assa Four set? Does it break CC has anyone found out?

[sharp pumice]

have that question about assa rogue and about arms war

[spring bough]

um

what happens if i just got into solo

and see server shutdown in 15

........

[rancid merlin]

OOOF server shutdoan 11min

[gleaming pawn]

better hope you win fast

[light estuary]

why cant i recraft my boots? "That player does not exist"

[old brook]

hotfix for shadowstrike port? unlikely.

[spring bough]

i got lucky LOL. lock got deleted first two rounds and left LOL

i do see you get partial conquest now for leaver games

[jolly sierra]

write server

[wintry dew]

you gotta put playername-server

like Royalflux-grimbatol

[gleaming pawn]

no, the Sin 4-set does not break blind/cc

[spring bough]

Got smoked on my vault again lol. Did get 476 pve tier gloves tho so that’ll do for a couple weeks and can get them to 483 thankfully

[surreal barn]

Damage good? Or shit

[halcyon timber]

Lots of effects and abilities ignore CCd players now. (A WIP thing as they get to it).

[spring bough]

this maintenance sucks lol

get home from work log on for 10 min to have to wait an hour lol

[halcyon timber]

Prob due to some feral /moonkin foolishness people are talking about atm

Saw some druids spamming “sorry” in chat before the shut down

[spring bough]

servers back up

or not lmao get "world server is down"

[old brook]

was trying out the no tech, darkbrew evis build and it was feeling GOOD with the shadow evis fix

approaching guilt levels of dmg

[halcyon timber]

Other classes still do more, wouldn’t sweat it

[old brook]

true that >:)

[surreal barn]

Do you think the DH feels guilty pushing your shit back in

[halcyon timber]

Or hunter who has been waiting to aimed shot rapid fire 2/3 of someone’s life from lumber mill?

[gleaming pawn]

Damage is decent, I’ll run more single target tests when the severs come back up

[steel skiff]

Gotta admit, there’s little more satisfying in WoW than sniping someone from the mage tower in Ashran with the AA buff on

[gleaming pawn]

But might also prompt a transition to a more envenom/poison focused build like with the raiding build

[halcyon timber]

XD its pretty cool to see a hunter WW II bell tower the heck out of people

Same time, we should be smoking people. People need to stop feeling comfy. Rogues shouldn’t be support damage stun bot. They can get lost with their propaganda.

[old brook]

I hate the kidney bot role

[steel skiff]

There’s some legacy resentment toward rogues that doesn’t really apply anymore

I play mostly rated BGs (I prefer the dynamics of objective-based PvP), and the thing I like most about playing rogue is I can often single-handedly unbalance the other team the entire match. It’s a great role that the rogue toolkit excels at and I think is sorta unique to the class

[halcyon timber]

Classic grandpas need to let that trash go.

Completely fine frost bolt whooped people but god forbid rogue finishers or any attacks did anything

[spring bough]

4 wins at 1600 and get 18 rating what is this lol

[crimson flame]

so in using the emerald mark of mastery, if i'm thinking of doing pvp in addition to pve i should grab the elite pvp piece since i can still raise it up to the same pve ilevel as the heroic version right?

like, the only downside in picking the pvp piece would be need 2 additional pve upgrades from hero 1/6 to 3/6?

[halcyon timber]

I believe you’re right on the money there

[crimson flame]

ty

[halcyon timber]

Definitely measure twice , cut once kinda deal .

[calm osprey]

Can someone explain why we wouldn't just use the full 489 ilvl set? What's better than that?

[light estuary]

now it's showing this error msg lol

"crafting order creation failed. pls try again later"

[jolly bear]

cuz ur giving up too much value in stats for a 4 set thats 50% value in pvp max

[rancid merlin]

would stack Blue linnen be insane for sub rogue, heads and feet?

[wintry dew]

Never seen that happen. Try to send a Wo to an alt of yours to see if it works

[jolly bear]

i highly doubt that

once you go below 90% hp you basically dont have an ebellishment

cant give up cc infurious boots

[rancid merlin]

hmm word

[calm osprey]

As in secondary stats like mastery, versatility, etc?

[lucid citrus]

For sub/sin, out of all the tier pieces, which of them do we least want?

[spring bough]

wow cant get chest this week 25 conq short..... lol

[waxen meteor]

I really want to get the trinket but not enough conquest damn

will probably spend 875 for chest and finish 4 tier, then this week i can only spend 525

which is not enough for trinket 😦

[spring bough]

oh wait i can get token chest and convert we saved this week lol

i did not plan well lool

[waxen meteor]

I can too but it feels sucks

[spring bough]

we finally copped the 4 set bby

can always upgrade it later on lol

[waxen meteor]

Yeah I know and honestly 3 item level doesn’t change anything

Just mentally feel not right 😹

[spring bough]

4 set on outlaw is just lol

2 back to back 100k lobbies

[rustic raptor]

rng in pvp is rough, gotta be stuck at 3/4 set for two weeks unless i get a lucky vault next tuesday

[jolly bear]

yes

would you rather have a nerfed 4 set with haste and crit or an extra 20% mastery and vers on your finishers

that's the reason basically

[hybrid rapids]

Noob question, how do you get set pieces?

[rancid merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W___H8KJXWg

[hybrid rapids]

Ty

[jolly sierra]

head

[lucid citrus]

oof im unlucky got head tier but hey thats a tier piece lol

[jolly sierra]

yeah

always happens to me since SL s3 tho

got the shittiest piece but is tiers anyways

[lucid citrus]

gonna try out that 4 set on sin

[jolly sierra]

me too, for reset

and will need to change a talent by force w ret

got 1k6 so i have 2set guaranteed

but the set

explicitally

ask to use a very specific talent to make bonus

xdd

[mystic shoal]

you finally got 1.8?

[lucid citrus]

Cant tell if we need to run ER now with 4 set for sin

[spring bough]

Not yet for sin. Hit duelist on outlaw two weeks ago lol

[jolly sierra]

dont think so if KB is still that juicy

[lucid citrus]

yeah im not going to get ER

[jolly sierra]

meh

40k for a envenom bonus is alright

dont think we need to play around him

compared to ret forced to get expurgation

to play at least 2set

[sharp stone]

does vault progress after server reset till daily resets

im 1k honor off, am i able to spam it fast on the 1 hour gap between vault opens

[light estuary]

how yall feel about the 2pc bonuses for sub/sin/outlaw?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[jolly sierra]

2set in assa is pretty good ngl

[exotic dove]

Thanks 🙂

[worthy crag]

one of my rogues had to pick 6 tokens from the vault 2 weeks in a row now, and on that guy I also purchased a duplicate piece with trophies and equipped it so it became unrefundable

[lucid citrus]

Damn i was excited that I couldve crafted neck piece today but forgot we needed a spark >.<

[jolly sierra]

even if u say dfa is shit i would always stan this talent lol

[vocal surge]

Only 3p this week

[waxen meteor]

WOW

[gleaming pawn]

DFA should just be baseline for Sin

[waxen meteor]

it seems SS teleport is fixed

[jolly sierra]

or as talent for the baseline tree

[waxen meteor]

tested again, seems it's really fixed

wow

[old brook]

Yup, hotfixed along with the feral million dmg exploit a couple hours ago

[waxen meteor]

Feel good about sub now

I finished 4tier and will see how it goes

it seems next week will be a major milestone in gears for most classes.

[waxen meteor]

world pvp gear basically will be all done, 3 crafted gears done, will be primarily all purple gear

[gleaming pawn]

@jolly sierra hurry up and get 4-set, I can't decide if I like this build or not over the standard Sin build and we need more people to test out envenom focused builds

[jolly sierra]

wait 1 more hour

so i can get the next catalyst

wait

30 more mins

[hearty wagon]

is there a good pvp guide somewhere?

[sharp stone]

am i supposed to go for 4 set on sub

[mystic shoal]

how does it FEEL

i'd also swap twist the knife to amp poison maybbe

[gleaming pawn]

nah amp poison is still not great like last 2 seasons, and allows you to run deadly and wound

[mystic shoal]

pain

bring back amp poison when it was cracked

[jolly sierra]

alright

shoulders from the chest

will turn w catalyst

and use the 1k6 token on chest

[mystic shoal]

huge

[old brook]

Nahj seems to like it. He’s got 4pc on one of his alts (luckier vaults) and sounds like he’ll be going for it on his main

[jolly sierra]

now im w this atm

gotta test

4set acting in a mannequin in single target

gotta go to a bg

[spring bough]

bros SIN IS WILD

856k total kingsbane one cast lmaooo

[jolly sierra]

O O F

what the heck

[spring bough]

4pc is doing 2% overall of my dmg 23k normal 29k crits

those are the highest averaging 10k a crit ooof lol

[waxen meteor]

Lol how!

[spring bough]

i have no idea im crying laughing he died so fast couldnt even bubble

[jolly sierra]

venomous hits very hard in paper

[waxen meteor]

I feel sometimes kingsbane just hits so hard

[jolly sierra]

can crit

that is a very good signal

[waxen meteor]

Sometimes just normal

Not sure why

[spring bough]

is that envenmous explosion?

[jolly sierra]

yes

it hitted 40k for me in PTR

maybe is my build

[rancid merlin]

finally boys!

1600!

[jolly sierra]

gratz dude

u did a 6-0

good shit

[waxen meteor]

Awesome!

[rancid merlin]

Thank you

[sharp stone]

ooh

why did i think id have 2 catalyst charges lol

no 4 set this week i guess

then my vault is another trash once again

[jolly sierra]

venomous did 60k in a target

a player

[sharp stone]

a socket

[jolly sierra]

non crit

hmm

interesting

literal against another assa XD

[waxen meteor]

Time to move back to ER

[jolly sierra]

i was not using ER

XD

[gleaming pawn]

never!

[sharp pumice]

6-0 at a reasonable rating is an accomplishment, grats bud

[rancid merlin]

thank you!

[rancid merlin]

Thank you

[mystic shoal]

800k is fucking absurd

[jolly sierra]

another update in my gear

[rancid merlin]

Sigh I messed up and took chest reward from vault, forgot I bought chest last week and just needed to convert it

CRY!!!

[jolly sierra]

oof

[marsh ridge]

hey, does the helboom set bonuses work in arenas?

[jolly sierra]

like shit

straight doesnt works

kekek

[marsh ridge]

it doesnt work?

[tribal badger]

the wpvp bonus? no it does not

its a wpvp only thing

[marsh ridge]

ah I see, thank you

[jolly bear]

okay guys, what's the PERFECT opener from stealth with 0 cp, start of the arena. this is what im running

I need to practice it on dummies

once i muscle memory that, i can think on the fly if i get cc'd or whatever I just need to get comfortable again

but I dont wanna practice wrong, because only perfect practice makes perfect

[worthy crag]

depends if you want to pop blades or not for that opener

depends if you want to stack perforated veins for goremaw or just want to use goremaw on the first opener

but other than that it's pretty straightforward, cheap shot, dance symbols, shadowstrike till full CP then cold blood sec tech

obv with shadow blades you'd skip shadowstrike after cheap shot, since the cheap would give 7 cp anyway

I personally dont goremaw on the first opener because I only try to use it with PV 4 stacks but the others might not do it that way

you'd only need to shadowstrike once because dance will give you 4 CP

[drowsy rampart]

Yo, what’s the word on the streets for the various specs atm? I’ve been playing outlaw to 1600 but my damage and burst is kinda shit compared to meta specs. I’m sure it’s a skill issue, but I’m open to switching specs and improving my skills elsewhere if that would help things. Or does it get better with 4 set? Or should I try out another spec?

[thorn pond]

Feels good to have the sub rogue finally unbugged

[stable urchin]

You need to take cocaine or something to play outlaw to 100% potential

[drowsy rampart]

Hahah yeah I feel you, I’m so mentally drained after a play session

[wintry dew]

Even the shadowstrike teleport?

[drowsy rampart]

The constant feeling of a pistol shot proc follows me throughout the day

But damn is it fun to spam BTE when you get the combo points back

[thorn pond]

Yep

[wintry dew]

A fucking MEN

[thorn pond]

At least in Wpvp, going into a bg now so will see in a sec but should be the same as wpvp

[wintry dew]

Ok ok let us know

[thorn pond]

Confirmed, works fine

[wintry dew]

Sub days have returned

Week 3

Fucking finally

(or is it W2?)

[thorn pond]

W3 x)

[vapid ledge]

Are the splintered sparks of dreams bugged? I've done a buncha content today and havent gotten a single one

[proven kayak]

Got weapon from vault 🙏

Is the Master zone focus embellishment for both sub and assa still the best choice ?

[wintry dew]

From what I've gathered from the recent talks, the mastery focus is a high gamble since you need 90%+ health for it to be active.
Probably good for 2s, where your always 100% on your goes?

And someone was talking about the one that activates above 70%, verdant something? I have no idea what it does

[proven kayak]

Same

But as sub you are not that targeted in my experience

[wintry dew]

10% is a blade dance xD

But yeah I feel what you sayin

I'm also using the mastery focus

[calm osprey]

How are people feeling about speccing into Thistle Tea? I watched a guide where they were using it as part of their Cold Blood SecTec macro and also to just have more energy regen/mastery boosts in longer fights

I've been trying it and it's fun but I don't know enough to know if it's better than other choice

[wintry dew]

Besides the energy gain, it gives you % mastery for around 7(?) Seconds

Sub is all about mastery

Sectec + coldblood will hit hard. Harder if you have tea buff up

And most builds for assa/sub are indeed using tea

But you could always check murlok.io website and check from there

[stable urchin]

How can you get both tea and cold blood??

[wintry dew]

(me wondering my whole sentence because I'm not home and I can't be sure of what I just said, just muscle memory talking)

Well well well

Maybe I should be the one checking murlok xD

[stable urchin]

Honestly im gonna try nahjs big evis build

No cold blood no sec no goremaw just oldschool sub

Eviscerate everything

[wintry dew]

Old-school sub was eviscerate spam pretty much

[stable urchin]

It hits hard with the fix to shadowed finishers

Just hope it doesnt get tunes down in pvp

[thorn pond]

I think the 7th combo point does overall more damages than Tea

But the 100 more energy is very nice

[calm osprey]

You pick them both in the talent tree 😄

Involves ignoring the 7th combo point

[elfin maple]

i tried it and i like it, everyone kinda expects big goremaw or secret tech, and usually press stuff on it, here you pump eviscerates, game feels fluid

[teal imp]

2. Deeper to good for sub

[wintry dew]

Well my mf rogue (the pvp one) is a lucky mdfkr

Vault 1 - chest tier

Vault 2 - pants tier

I'm 4set in 2 different rogues lOL

[proven kayak]

Is 4 set good I think I keep 2set

[wintry dew]

Idk, but I have it xD

[lusty meteor]

Yeah, do we have a definite answer for that yet?

I’m thinkin just 2 set for sub myself

[stable urchin]

how do we play around the dmg reduction from thiefs bargain?

do we wait for burst or just send it

[wintry dew]

We don't

You just pop off

And ignore the dmg reduction part

[fiery prism]

assa 4 set is unfortunately pretty ass

1,6% overall in a whole shuffle

with extended envenom talent

[chrome schooner]

But then, what % is your Envenom?

[fiery prism]

6%

[wintry dew]

1.6 of 6 isn't that bad

I was expecting you to say like 30% or more

[surreal barn]

What you want to look at is your burst window and what it adds to it

If I’m getting an extra 80-100k from it in a bomb I’m content

[spring bough]

Any added damage in my books is a win

[fiery prism]

somehow a normal hit for 70k and 30k crit xd

running this with 4 set now. but really thinking going back to sudden demise instead of 4p

[waxen meteor]

I think it’s probably still fine to run 4tier with old builds

Doesn’t have to link DTB with tier

[fiery prism]

yea true, when playing longer envenom (twist the knife) it makes sense though to play 4 poisons

[surreal barn]

I’m pretty sure the 4 set amps the kingsbane dot too

My kingsbanes look higher 😂

[fiery prism]

mhhh i´d assume it just ramps with the weapon poisons no?

[surreal barn]

You’d think

[fiery prism]

😄

[waxen meteor]

More sync there for sure but not sure that’s enough reason unless you play 2s

I think last season the reason to pick DTB is no longer that valid this season

Not only because of poison trigger rate nerf

Now as sin you basically take kingsbane regardless so at the btm line of sin tree

We are forced to take two of DTB/AP/10%bleed and 6% agi

DTB dmg boost is basically the 4% bleed plus deadly dmg

AP is 20% bleed boosts in burst and execution

Right side is 10% flat + 6% agi most times

[tender ferry]

Regardless of build, I’d always aim to take bone spike (good damage, extra dot for damage amp, good for energy) and Master Assassin (unless you’re taking Cold Blood)

Haven’t been super impressed with blindside and twist - they’re reliant on high uptime which you won’t always have

DTB is still super good; deadly poison is frequently 8-10% of my damage and poison bomb is around 3-4%

Juices up KB more quickly too with more poisons proccing

[surreal barn]

Master assassin is active on everything during your dance it is so good now 😂

[fiery prism]

its not active while dance

[twin burrow]

its strange, the dark brew build your non crits are so high , there is a crit modifier that nerfs crit in pvp right

wondering why the crits arent much higher

[halcyon timber]

Yes by 25%

[twin burrow]

kk ty

[halcyon timber]

Critical damage was 175% it is 150% now

[waxen meteor]

I have been enjoying brew this season

[twin burrow]

when the talent says adds 1 combo point and 5% finisher damage, how much is the extra point giving itself? is it like 10% total that talent? if im making sense

[topaz eagle]

i've wondered how this works for improved bte

[halcyon timber]

Would need a graph honestly as it also depends on mastery / agility/ versatility affecting it as well.

[twin burrow]

im gona do quik mafs

[halcyon timber]

So prob something like base + stats x.05 and some other jazz.

[twin burrow]

its 17%

[halcyon timber]

Not sure conpletely however improved bte is 200% (4x normal damage)?

Its prob 4x normal hit X 1.5 pvp value

[twin burrow]

so with the 5% added, its 22% for that talent

whereas cold blood gaurantees a crit for 50% damage

i think the 7 cp is worth

180k just physical part evis on dummy wow

non crit

and crits are like 250k

[halcyon timber]

Yes 7 pts are no joke

[topaz eagle]

imp. bte changes crit mod from 200% to 400%

but idk if it's x2 or +200%

[halcyon timber]

Would have to math it to find out

[topaz eagle]

which would be 300% or 350% in pvp

[halcyon timber]

Should still be hefty

[azure dock]

can anyone tell me what off hand we should be using for pvp? axe, fist weap? or double crit verse daggers

[jolly bear]

if you're talking about sub rogue, double daggers, preferably vers-crit

honor ones work just fine

[azure dock]

and assa?

same?

[jolly bear]

tbh I dont see assassination being any different since the options are so limited

you either go vers-crit or vers-haste

[azure dock]

yeah cause im seeing some assa rogue on ladder using verse mastery fist

so it confusing

[jolly bear]

you cant use mutilate without double daggers that doesnt make any sense

does anyone know an addon that gets rid of the announcers in the beginning of arenas? they're obnoxious af

[jolly sierra]

that is because the armory marks them as sub

so they appears to still have the fist offline, no matter the spec

[jolly bear]

so more spaghetti nice

[wintry dew]

Or they logged out as sub

[wary moss]

Did they fix the bug that was happening with feral?

I wanna que today 😅

[jolly sierra]

yeah that was what i was trying to say lol

like the guy w full pve gear

even trinkets

[spark sun]

guys can someone help me? i have to pick up set piece reward for the 2K rio, difference between PVP and normal pieces is that you grab them 1/6 upgraded (PVP) or with some upgrades alredy on (not PVP) ?
also, if i mix PVP set pieces with non PVP set pieces, it will give me the same bonus effect? or set must be all pieces PVP or NOT PVP ?

[untold remnant]

I got an eviscerate to hit for 327k on a pvp target dummy 😮 unfortunately, the rupture ticks fcked my details so I don't see it anymore

[wintry dew]

Mixing gives the bonus set as well.

If you're going to commit to pvp just get the pvp ones

If not, the ilvl difference from PvE to pvp is kinda big

Besides that, the pvp ones scale to 489(?) In pvp scenarios, the PvE do not

[worthy crag]

dark brew & tea build?

[spark sun]

thanks a lot mr, nice advices 😉

[waxen meteor]

i think i am close to 40% crit in arena

cold blood value seems lower

if it's not for ST, it seems no reason to pick it

[untold remnant]

Ye

[waxen meteor]

The only thing i don't like about tea build is we lose the 3yr range

[worthy crag]

and no way to guarantee crit

ppl will stat for crit but it's essentially a wasted stat if it just doesn't crit on rng

[waxen meteor]

5-1 at 1850 first lobby today

610K ST 🙂

[light estuary]

What to spend conquest pts on? Got 2 piece tier and weapons already

Is 4 pc recommended for sub? Or outlaw?

[worthy crag]

could spend on conq ring or amulet and see if there's a consensus on 4 set by next week

or badge trinket if you havent gotten it yet

[waxen meteor]

I got trinket

For us, i think conquest rings are not priority

anyway next week we can craft rings

[spring bough]

100% 4 set for outlaw always have an extra RTB buff. It felt pretty big yesterday using it

I did this with four set yesterday in a solo

21 BTE casts with 20 crits because I got the crit buff and kept rerolling it

[light estuary]

which pieces did u go for tier?

[spring bough]

Everything except the helm

Using crafted helm w the crit embellish and crit/vers stats on it

[light estuary]

4set on week 2? dang lol

i did get conq helm with mastery/vers. Is that ideal?

from vault

[spring bough]

I have no life 😂. Should be fine but would probably craft a helm for crit/vers if your doing outlaw

[next sleet]

Hello. Does anyone know the stat prio for this season and if tier is good? thanks

[sharp pumice]

Mastery > ????? = profit

[next sleet]

so mastery still on top I see. Thanks.

I guess haste is the worst now because of slice&dice being back?

[next sleet]

damn I forgot to mention im playing outlaw lmao

[spring bough]

You want mostly all crit/vers and some haste. Some mastery doesn’t hurt but def don’t want as much as sin/sub

[next sleet]

gotcha. Also is there some talent build up to date? I've only found last season stuff

[spring bough]

BQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkQSSIJIJhkIIRSaSS0SiUSAAAAAAAlSSSIJRhkSEAAAASCA

Something along those lines

Can always drop CTO for green skins if you want more burst

[spring bough]

I forgot to hit combat potency on that 100% want to have that so I’d drop swift slasher if you’re gonna try that

[surreal barn]

I hate facing sub rogues in shuffle

And idc if I’m a big fat pussy to say it lol

[next sleet]

I don't like sub in shuffle because it requires too much sync

and peps just throw their DRs like completely braindead

btw what would the crafted items for outlaw be?

[spring bough]

Worst is when you both agree on DPS target and then the game starts and your teammate goes opposite of what yall agreed on 🤦‍♂️

[spring bough]

Boot embellish def. Prob helm w embellish too. Random stats or crit

[next sleet]

damn I got a helm which sucks for converting into tier already lol

I saw some peps using a ring with blu silken something

is that trash now?

also kinda sucks I have to buy the token

[surreal barn]

Yeah and then you swap to their target and they swap to the right lol it’s pretty funny actually

[spring bough]

That’s why I got top target so I can see who they are on and just follow that. But half the time I swap to theirs then they swap again 🤦‍♂️

[spring bough]

Some are running more mastery than haste but idt it really matters I’ve tried both. We lost 15% main gauche proc chance w the new talent tree and MG is pretty ass for outlaw

[surreal barn]

It is a great add on

[spring bough]

Now only if top target worked w that new ping system lol

[next sleet]

oh yeah it seems pretty garbage. And I also have to spend tokens because you dont get one of those for free

[waxen meteor]

I feel quite good with 4 tier as sub now

but i don't know if it's because of the tier or because of the fix...

[next sleet]

would decay work for outlaw?

[surreal barn]

lol creeping venom + the added crippling speed is actually hilarious

You can get someone crawling

[tardy magnet]

what stats am i looking to go as sub rogue?

[quaint cedar]

Anyone know if the druid bugs have been fixed yet? Is it safe to queue?

[quaint cedar]

Vers mastery on everything is what you want

[stoic spruce]

It's been fixed. Is it safe? That's up for debate.

[spiral karma]

For assa pvp, is Kyrian/DS still a viable pick? Seeing lots of shadow dance users on murlok.io and personally prefer Kyrian

Would also like to run DTB, but arterial seems pretty good too

[jolly sierra]

not that good

with KB being that crazy good

[pliant spoke]

200k normal KB hits and sometimes up to 400k crits

[waxen meteor]

after feeling super good with sub, swapped to DH alt, one lobby at 2000ish, avearge dps in 6 rounds is 100k

[exotic dove]

I use kyrian in 2s but not in 3s and Shuffle is a mixed bag of what I feel like using. But as mentioned Shadowdance is better than Kyrian overall

[fervent cobalt]

ANy WA to tell when someone drops combat?

[jolly sierra]

played today

ended 5-1 with monk

then warr went like

emm

1-x (drop from another guy)
2-4
1-5

yeah maybe gotta take a rest and go rog after this

fucking warr im not done w it yet, need to learn more

[jolly bear]

about to try this out, just downloaded it

[winged lion]

Is it terrible to buy the vers/mastery trophy 1h sword for offhand instead of the haste/vers dagger? For assass

[untold remnant]

Yes as you can’t use all abilities

[winged lion]

Seems bad, thanks

[jolly bear]

you have to use double daggers, honor daggers are best

or conq

do you guys think its better to get the shoulders or legs for tier?

[humble kelp]

hey new to wow and playing rouges ive been playing alot of pvp lately which spec is best for pvp

[jolly bear]

all 3 are good

its all up to preference

you came at a good time

[humble kelp]

any that are decent at fighting healers?

i struggle in my arenas vs healers

[jolly bear]

ur not meant to kill healers 1v1

they just got too much shit to heal with

[humble kelp]

so how would you reccomend dealing with healers in 2v2

[jolly bear]

depends on who you are playing with

[humble kelp]

theres so much to this game i love it

[jolly bear]

lmao glad to hear it we need more people

[humble kelp]

what servers do you play on?

[jolly bear]

illidan and stormrage

[humble kelp]

o cool i play on sargeras. is there a spec thats a bit easier to learn then the others?

[jolly bear]

people say sub is the hardest

I wouldnt call Outlaw difficult but its very fast paced

Assassination seems intermediate

[humble kelp]

awesome thank you a million 😄

[jolly bear]

yeah man no problem

[proven kayak]

Assa put a lot of pressure you can kill a healer

[keen lintel]

Hello guys , i m new to pvp but not to rogue ,and i want to try pvp . Can you recommend me some page where i can learn some burst rotation ? I've been looking on wowhead but i think it is ... too simple for rogue 😄 . In shortcut , how and where can i learn pvp .

[jolly bear]

its a whole new ball game man

you can add me and come to the valdrakken dummies

[keen lintel]

I m not so good at english , this post took me 3 mins to write 😄

[jolly bear]

use google translate thats what i do lol

[waxen meteor]

I think you need to at least start with one spec lol

You can use icyvein pvp guide they are not very good with today standard but it’s enough for a starting point

[twin burrow]

Pay for lessons

[old brook]

Don't overthink it. If you played dungeons back in the day when CC was essential before starting a pull (sap/blind), and you're comfortable with controlling mobs with kick/kidney shot/gouge/blind, it'll translate to some degree in pvp. Queue some battlegrounds for slower paced objective games, and pick your fights.

[surreal barn]

Whatever you do don’t backpedal

You’ll have a big fat target on your back

[halcyon timber]

The tba tuning they spoke about is concerning

The archaic “nErF rOgUeS cUz “they got pooped on in vanilla needs to gtfo

[waxen meteor]

Man I sort of miss those days. Sap square, sheep circle, let’s kill skeleton first

[old brook]

Me too, good times hehe

[wary moss]

I would put enh in the hard category

It's way harder than sin has been 😅

[steel scarab]

Assassination question

In 2v2 with a paladin healer, is it unrealistic to expect to be able to rot people down? Do I pretty much need to line up my cooldowns in order to get kills?

We're at like 1300 so far, I think our record is like 20-10

We also don't really coordinate cc, I've tried to get her to say something before she uses Repentance and Hammer of Justice but I think she's too stressed lol

Also, is it wrong to use Kingsbane and Deathmark for pressure? I'm caught between wanting to use them on cooldown like in PvE versus saving them for when someone's low

I also find Discipline Priests practically impossible to kill, is that normal?

[jolly sierra]

use in different windows each other

dpriests are very easy to kill

cuz they gets dry fast

[steel scarab]

Really? How so?

What am I doing wrong lol

I run Wound poison and crippling, is that the wrong choice?

[gleaming pawn]

1v1 a good disc can be hard to kill, but once they are out of CDs they are an easy kill

[steel scarab]

So if it's disc + warrior, for example, I should attack the disc?

[gleaming pawn]

In 3s and SS they can be a very good swap target depending on how well they use their CDs

[steel scarab]

I haven't done serious Arena since WOTLK so a lot of times I'm just doing what feels right, but I really have no idea

[waxen meteor]

That’s a big load of questions lol

I think with 2s you can try to use DTB

[gleaming pawn]

Generally you’d be on the warrior often, because they will beat you in the dps race if left alone

[rancid shore]

will doing 2% timestrike damage instantly make me gladiator without any effort

[jolly sierra]

u need to stun the healer and go dps

[waxen meteor]

But if you stuck at 1300 the problem is not really talent choices

[solid yoke]

opinions on the best spec for solo shuff?

[steel scarab]

Well we aren't stuck, just

[jolly sierra]

in a moment will dry very fast

[waxen meteor]

Outlaw or sub

[gleaming pawn]

A priest is also not likely to die easily with a warrior disrupting your goes and intercepting the priest

[steel scarab]

We're like 20-10 or 20-14 or something like that

[waxen meteor]

The thing is, you send deathmark or kingsbane in your burst window

[steel scarab]

Just, she doesn't like to slam too many games in a row

[jolly sierra]

and u will kill the dps

[waxen meteor]

Aka with kidney and shiv

[jolly sierra]

so u make the healer leave

[steel scarab]

Yes, I've found usually I'm going on the DPS, and I leave the healer alone

[waxen meteor]

With hpal you actually don’t need to do too much because hpal has good cd of cc

[jolly sierra]

if u send both DM and KB

u will waste kill windows

[waxen meteor]

I don’t recall exactly but I think it’s basically 15 sec cd or sth

[jolly sierra]

both by themselves can land a kill

[waxen meteor]

To be honest you can even draw a time window for your play

[steel scarab]

Oh ok, so don't use both at once?

[jolly sierra]

in arena assa wins by dampening

not by random instances

[gleaming pawn]

First go > send DM, next go send KB. 3rd go they might be primed for death and you can send everything. Just depends a lot of variables

[jolly sierra]

ye dont

[steel scarab]

Oh wow, I've been doing that really wrong then

[jolly sierra]

u can stun the healer w kidney

[waxen meteor]

Like when rogue sends kidney shiv and one of KB or Death mark. It’s time for hpal to stun healer and use this

[jolly sierra]

and cheap shot the dps

u can make her throw blinding light

[steel scarab]

Okay, so I'll try to get her to announce her abilities a bit more so we can coordinate cc

[jolly sierra]

then u gouge

then u kidney

[waxen meteor]

Healer plays with rogue needs to know when to attack/cc and when to defend

[gleaming pawn]

KS the healer feels so bad as Sin with internal bleeding actually being good

[waxen meteor]

That’s more important than anything

[jolly sierra]

well if u have both dotted

its ok

so will dry faster

[waxen meteor]

And it’s actually not hard, because it’s pretty much a 25 second cycle

[gleaming pawn]

But yeah, CCing the healer depends a lot on what healer you’re playing with

[steel scarab]

Should I be dotting both players?

[gleaming pawn]

Yes and no

[waxen meteor]

You can, but honestly with hpal not that necessary

Hpal with patch last week, lasts quite well

[gleaming pawn]

You don’t sacrifice a lot of uptime or put yourself into a bad position

[jolly sierra]

hpal has even better mana management

[waxen meteor]

Your goal is not to play mana game imo

[jolly sierra]

than dpriest rn

[steel scarab]

I'll say she does a pretty good job keeping us alive, just her cc isn't great and she never interrupts

Because she's so focused on healing

[gleaming pawn]

But if the enemy healer is hanging out by their dps, dot their asses up

[steel scarab]

So it's all to to me

[jolly sierra]

w rdrood

[waxen meteor]

Hpal interrupt is hard

[jolly sierra]

dot both

[waxen meteor]

Don’t expect too much

[jolly sierra]

so if he uses all his shit

on dps

u can switch to him

[waxen meteor]

Hpal interrupt is melee range so …

[jolly sierra]

and manage a kill

[steel scarab]

Good to know

Are there certain classes with defensives that I just absolutely cannot kill through until they're down? Like obviously, rogue evasion, Mage iceblock, Hunter that annoying green dome thing, Paladin divine shield

[jolly sierra]

u can kill through rog evasion

XD

[steel scarab]

I have absolutely no idea what demon hunters do, I feel like we're 50-50 against them

[jolly sierra]

shadowstep behind

and kidney

ice block u will need to wayt

wait

[waxen meteor]

No you are not 50/50 them

[gleaming pawn]

Actual DR defensives, you are not likely to score a kill through as long as they were not used at low HP

[waxen meteor]

They do 462947482039 dmg

[steel scarab]

So far we've done decent against DH but I'm probably playing against idiots

[jolly sierra]

hunters in turtle can die

if u dot them and they are in low hp

sudden demise can still trigger

inside

[gleaming pawn]

Take pain suppression or cocoon, best to not send damage into those because they reduce your damage so much

[steel scarab]

Okay, that's good to know, I am using Sudden Demise

[jolly sierra]

dhs just wait till it fades

cuz their defensives are obnoxious af

[steel scarab]

What's the demon hunter defensive?

What's it look like

[jolly sierra]

blur

darkness

netherwalk

[waxen meteor]

And jump back

[steel scarab]

Oh okay

[waxen meteor]

Good DH uses jump back at your kidney DR

[jolly sierra]

blur is the quickest to refresh and the most obnoxious one

[waxen meteor]

And bait your kidney

Blue is just 1 min cd

[steel scarab]

What's the cd on blur?

[jolly sierra]

1m

[steel scarab]

Ah ok

I'll try to remember that

[waxen meteor]

Anyway do offense and defense together

[steel scarab]

When we go against DH+DPS we win

[waxen meteor]

It’s easy to win

[steel scarab]

But DH+healer we lose

[jolly sierra]

feint is good against dhs

most of their abilities are aoe

[steel scarab]

Oh that's great to know

I'll feint more against them, yeah sometimes I'm feinting but honestly I can't tell if the DMG is aoe

I was using Elusiveness but my 3v3 partner told me to just use cheat death

[jolly sierra]

when the dh starts dancing

[steel scarab]

Because I would get focused EVERY game

[jolly sierra]

its aoe

when he throws eye beam

its aoe

when he uses decree

its aoe

[steel scarab]

Okay eye beam is a very obvious animation so good call

[waxen meteor]

Fel berrage also aoe

[jolly sierra]

yeah lol

[waxen meteor]

Essence break aoe

Blade dance aoe

[steel scarab]

Good Lord

[jolly sierra]

u have never checked

[steel scarab]

Lot of AOE

[jolly sierra]

when dh

starts blurring in place moving around?

and then landing?

[waxen meteor]

DH with another dps is garbage team

It’s auto win

[steel scarab]

Sometimes I have trouble even knowing wtf is going on

Against DH

Feels like pure chaos

[waxen meteor]

Don’t worry you kidney them and try to kill them other time they out dmg you

[jolly sierra]

are you tracking their cds?

[steel scarab]

No, I don't have any cd trackers, I just try to kill after I see a defensive used

[jolly sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_uUy3YEXA7g

this crap is a blade dance

[jolly sierra]

boy

download ability team tracker ASAP

[steel scarab]

Or if they're low and I'm using Smoke Bomb that game, I usually try to use Smoke Bomb against Warlocks and Mages, not usually any other classes

[jolly sierra]

even the fkn clip music is edgy af

[steel scarab]

Oh, where they go in the air, yeah, sometimes I'm like

Wait, where the fuck did the dh go

So blade dance is a defensive?

Or an attack?

[jolly sierra]

formerly was both

[steel scarab]

Great game balance lol

[jolly sierra]

cuz those bastards had 100% dodge chance during

[steel scarab]

I feel like I do better against DH than arms warriors

I played against an arms warrior recently that just absolutely outplayed me, a super long match

I feel like I was playing well against him but he just outdid me, and I only managed to restealth once, with Shadowmeld

Kept disarming each other, etc

[waxen meteor]

It can be both but it’s just offensive skill nowadays

Especially in 2s

[steel scarab]

Oh

[waxen meteor]

If DH pairs with rogue or warrior or hunter ish, they might swap talent to make blade dance absorb dmg as defensive (but they lose MS) but it happens rarely and probably you see those combo only at solo shuttle

Regardless, just do your own part right, that’s more important as starter

Do not throw CDs when they use defensive

Use kidney and burst

Defense and use feint properly (and use feint dmg reduction talent with hpal)

There will be some match ups you just cannot win at same skill level, that’s normal

[steel scarab]

Okay, that helps, and it makes me feel better

It really felt like Warrior and Holy Paladin was absolutely unwinnable

But that warrior was really excellent

[waxen meteor]

And you don’t necessarily have to go warrior

In such match up

You can actually try to go hpal

[steel scarab]

I'm just afraid though, not going on the DPS. Because gf tends to panic if she's being focused

Oh, here is a question that bothered me

[waxen meteor]

Warrior may still go at you

So you can double dip

[steel scarab]

We faced a few dual DPS teams that had DK, and I just melted them

But

If it's dk+healer we get completely wrecked

And they seem to kill her first

And I can't stop them

So what am I doing wrong

[waxen meteor]

Let’s be honest

When you meet two dps teams, that hardly have much sync

They just randomly paired to farm some conquest or cap vault