Apparently it is no longer supported anymore
#pvp
halcyon timber
Dang man
brisk bramble
Apparently support for it ceased in 2009
halcyon timber
Was a good addon
brisk bramble
I was but a wee lad in 2009
brisk bramble
I'll try it later if I swap servers for real
halcyon timber
It was from wowmatrix addon base.
Back in the day
Maybe curse forge /wow up has something else
halcyon timber
Yeh boy
brisk bramble
Maybe this can be used to compensate for ping?
halcyon timber
is it jsut me or is Outlul pretty good? any good builds around?
Memes aside, the boys say Outlaw is solid
halcyon timber
Maybe this can be used to compensate for ping?
Maybe man, dunno
exotic dove
Assa seems to have a lot of options this season I have managed to succeed with builds that I didnt think would work too
I did learn with four poisons it seems to work when you have improved poisons which buffs poison apply rate by 5%
Ive only really done 2s though not a lot of shuffle or 3s yet though
light estuary
exotic dove
I think im done with Assa Rogue solo shuffle for a while its so squishy and then I dc one game and this one healer wants to report me for win trading
I hate people so much
mystic shoal
I think im done with Assa Rogue solo shuffle for a while its so squishy and then...
same thing just happened to me
I DC'd one game bro
lost 58 rating because trash priest
LMFAO
exotic dove
People are too report crazy
Im getting really bad lobbies tonight just started shuffle on this alt rogue so mmr is still much higher but 9 wins 24 losses counting that one dc
ALt Rogue is 481 pvp IL too
untold remnant
I had a sub-UHDK-DH lobby on assa.
Lost all cuz I just get bursted after evasion and cloak are gone.
Assa needs at least a caster to divert presssure away from you
exotic dove
yeah I think thats why I like playing with a lock in 3s
as Assa
Also I do not know why but this build for some reason I am having the most success on in Shuffle and 2s. I went to a shadowdance build in shuffle and had a rough time and ranted a lil in here (sorry need to work on that.) Go back to this with no dance build went 4-2 three times in a row.
for me though
With the screenshot Im doing echoing and tea
with 6 combo talent. Now in 3v3 the shadowdance build with zoldyck and Arterial seems to be better for me there
jolly sierra
last day overworking
thinking in just going lfr to cap the 3 chests OOF
and push 1k6 next week (im in 1570)
jolly sierra
I had a sub-UHDK-DH lobby on assa.
Lost all cuz I just get bursted after evasion...
did u got a healer flaming u?
sharp pumice
I had a 0-6 rogue flaming me on my disc 
jolly sierra
I had a 0-6 rogue flaming me on my disc <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
how weird almost always is the inverse
midnight bough
do you know if Solo Shuffle que gives any preferability to less represnted specs/classes?
surreal barn
It does
midnight bough
idk how represented rogues atm but these 20+ minutes que are getting to me ;P
jolly sierra
are u in sub outlaw or assa?
midnight bough
sub
I also get tons of double DH lobbies, that means that there is no other specs on que?
jolly sierra
think it is the most represented spec for rogs atm
jolly sierra
I also get tons of double DH lobbies, that means that there is no other specs on...
dhs has almost all representation for melee in rated
midnight bough
thats insane
i just watched the solo ladder, i think i will see everything in purple for the rest of the week
wary moss
I hit a hunter with a 210k king's bane then sudden demise triggered on him for 120k lmao
jolly sierra
fattest KB ive got atm in rated was a 300k KB to another assa
tribal badger
pikaboo was playing sin on stream the other day and i literally tuned in to him facing a hunter/healer and going "Should i just delete him chat? should i just? yea ok im gunna delete him"
then he nattied a 350k KB on him and killed him from half hp instantly
streamer rng
jolly sierra
he shoved his will in that KB fuck lol
jolly sierra
Obviously
always the healer is the toxic one
yesterday i burned all my defensives and the healer started going mad
i said "have u used the dome?" (ofc he didnt i have it tracked)
he said "ah yeah we lose because i didnt used it"
he ended 2-4, me 4-2
proven kayak
Healers are always the most toxic players cus they are so inflated role for years so they actually have brain washed to delusion for their skill level
jolly sierra
god, thought healers were deflated in rating actually
sharp pumice
how weird almost always is the inverse
Shitters always wanna shit on people... not that I'm good on my priest, far from it, I'm just better at priest than that guy was at rogue
And then definitely better at rogue because I'm 600 points higher rated
spring bough
then he nattied a 350k KB on him and killed him from half hp instantly
Waiting to see someone hit close to a million KB in arena lol
languid ravine
how is DK looking in current year(patch)?
wary moss
Has anyone spent some time playing with sepis? If so, how was for you?
wary moss
how is DK looking in current year(patch)?
Unholy is very good
wary moss
Has anyone spent some time playing with sepis? If so, how was for you?
Mainly does anyone know if I garrot from the sepis stealth ability will it be boosted in damage like if I was stealthed or in dance?
jolly sierra
compared to KB, than is a red debuff
should work like that too
but, why u dont use shadow dance instead?
proven field
I use remand as well as sepsis and in blitz they pump
jolly sierra
ER?
wary moss
Sick, I'm gonna test it out today after work
wary moss
Almost the same as me lol
proven field
oh wait, one is missing
jolly sierra
hmmm :l
think is a little wasted having dance triggering crits with MA right now
ER is nerfed also
it doesnt gives the 5 animacharge anymore
proven field
here's a blitz I just finished 1 min ago, loving assa
I use Sepsis 50/50 for dmg and just for control
wary moss
ER is so nice for keeping those fat envenoms going though
proven field
only thing I don't know is it an ER rupture is a true max rupture or not
jolly sierra
yeah, but are u thinking in going arena w sepsis?
proven field
I've messed around with it a bit, I find assa pretty squishy in SS so far though
wary moss
yeah, but are u thinking in going arena w sepsis?
I am
jolly sierra
I am
gl dont getting that dispelled
in BG can be harder to dispell because the amount of ppl amount and priorities
wary moss
I'll see how it goes. I'm only at 1400 mmr.
Still got scrubby healers lol
proven field
can be pretty solid; 140k crit proc and 40k ticks
jolly sierra
ye u can use it but if the guy is aware GL w the ticks
rather prefer KB stacked w lethality using dance, u get greater garrote spread and cc chance too
proven field
I find Dance gets CCd more than jsut about any CD in the game so far
jolly sierra
in SL we used sepsis for s3 cuz was op af
w the conduit
just initial application was enough to getting something killed
jolly sierra
I find Dance gets CCd more than jsut about any CD in the game so far
u still get fat dots w crit and can macro the KB to do insta the damage
proven field
yeah I need to spend more time with it on assa.. on OL I hate/love dance because everyone has figured out the go and has gigantic WAs shouting to CC you
jolly sierra
yeah its different in that case
proven field
but when it lines up for instant-refilling-BTEs over and over dear god
jolly sierra
cuz ur dmg is insta
in assa u can leave all dots before
shiv main target
kidney then dance + badge + KB
if u get cced insta then the dots will still keep doing big damage anyways
proven field
true
jolly sierra
people souls makes it useless on players
spring bough
I was messing with dropping blade rush and a couple other talents to pickup all the flurry ones yesterday. Even with getting CCd in dance windows flurry was hitting upwards of 125k. Felt amazing vs anything tbh. Blade flurry CP talent is sick too esp with pet lobbies cause one press and you are full CP
sharp sierra
what should i watch and how do i practice for mage rogue?
jolly sierra
question, does lethality affects dot dmg like w garrote?
wary moss
I have only seen one other rogue playing SS
waxen meteor
2000+ lobby last week is basically double DH + Arm or Ret or Demo Lock
Rarely you see anything else
wary moss
Yeah I mainly see DK, Warr and DH
waxen meteor
oh and sometimes BM hunter
wary moss
I'm happy to see them lol
waxen meteor
they doing 128392743027 dmg out of nowhere
waxen meteor
yeah when i play rogue yeah
but when i play DH, it's a bit challenging to kill bm
problem is they doing 123810274927297 dmg while using no major cd
damn rogue queue reached 30 mins
game is dead
wary moss
I was lucky last night. Got like 4 games of SS and never waited more than 15 minutes
spring bough
Any of you sin players tried caustic in arena yet?
Saw that does a ton of aoe damage. Wondering if it would be good for yall to setup swaps? Over internal
spring bough
Rogues popular for once lol
jolly sierra
yesterday had one
w another assa
ah no 2 days ago nvm
lack of sleep is killing me
spring bough
I need to start my vault prayer ritual sometime today for that tier luck 😂
Saw they are upgrading pvp gear to champion level too which is nice
jolly sierra
throw a dice like u do w outlaw KEK
spring bough
I went 9/9 for vault this week better be some tier 😂
spring bough
I even went 5/9 heroic raid just for extra tier chance lmaooooo
About to use time dagger in my OH for PvP if I can get it on 483 or 489 track 😂
jolly sierra
im interesred in that shit
send me details bout the timestrike when u have the info
spring bough
Apparently the stat isn’t nerfed in PvP. I’m curious how much it procs
Might be good for sin pvp with two lol
spring bough
Keys aren’t difficult at all this season. Just need luck of getting a hero level drop which u can get up to 483 or vault luck for the mythic track to get 489
jolly sierra
the vault dagger worth it in MH tho
drowsy rampart
Yo, couple outlaw questions, started this week:
- For embellishments. I have the head and boots. I put the mastery embellishment thing in head, was that a mistake? Should I have the dread instead?
- I got hellbloom carver as MH and conquest/tier chest. Have 900 conquest more atm. Any recommendation on next piece to buy? (All else is honour gear)
spring bough
Yo, couple outlaw questions, started this week:
1. For embellishments. I have t...
I went w the crit embellish but was told that wasn’t great so who knows lol
I’d probably go for equip or on use trinket or legs
drowsy rampart
Thanks! Yeah leaning legs but was thinking if there’s any use holding for vault as well? Im not sure I’ll climb to 1600 in time though, which maybe means I won’t get glad gear anyway or how does that even work haha. returning player
spring bough
Thanks! Yeah leaning legs but was thinking if there’s any use holding for vault ...
You may want to wait. See what you get in vault and get whatever piece you still need for tier or to convert to tier
drowsy rampart
Awesome mate thanks again
Btw.. another question. I’m using Elvui. Anyone know how I can track my DR:s?
spring bough
Prob pickup diminish returns addon and can put it on nameplates so you can see it easier
drowsy rampart
ah cool thanks
chrome schooner
question, does lethality affects dot dmg like w garrote?
yes
as long as a spell generates CP, lethality buffs it
rustic raptor
Is it just me or is outlaw feeling worse and worse with each passing day lol
gloomy vault
Is it just me or is outlaw feeling worse and worse with each passing day lol
maybe just you? I'm not sure I had a few days of bad but realized I was just straying from the basics
what is it making it feel bad for you?
rustic raptor
This is my first season as rogue and i cant break through 1800 lol. Been floating between 1700-1780 all week. Just feels like the damage isnt enough to actually turn the tide of a round compared to a lot of other classes. Very well could just be me, as im brand new to the spec and class
jolly sierra
1700 for week 2 its pretty good btw
u still have r1 and glads running around in low rating
im in like 1570 cuz i didnt pushed forward, just played once per day
fkn job is killing me
languid ravine
do we have consensus yet on best embellishious for Outlaw?
rustic raptor
fell to 1708 and had a 5 win back to 1765. 245 rounds played lol
jolly sierra
dude just rest
wary moss
Yesterday I went:
5-1
5-1
4-2
3-3
3-3
Gotta quit while your hot. Don't push your luck lol
rustic raptor
yeah im gonna relax the rest of the day and hopefully finish this push after the reset
shuffle is not good for the mental health
steel scarab
I have to say. Honor gear being super easy to get this season, combined with PvE gear being basically irrelevant in PvP, has made this the most fun season of PvP I have ever played.
wary moss
yeah im gonna relax the rest of the day and hopefully finish this push after the...
It really is... shuffle is the reason I stopped playing my enh shaman. I was such a rough time last season.
Put my whole ass into and only made it to 1750
jolly sierra
i pushed towards the end season in s2, both because deflation and lack of decent gaming setup
now season looks decent, even w dhs
in s2 at this same time u had a lot of r1 running around in shuffle
wary moss
I'm honestly having a great time this season and loving sin
wary moss
I just need to find a 2s partner 😅
What are the odds our class bugs are fixed tomorrow?
jolly sierra
close to 0
steel scarab
They definitely need to make it so the legendary weapon scales down in PvP
jolly sierra
no announcements
steel scarab
PvE gear advantage has no place in a ranked arena
steel scarab
I remember fighting in arena against people with Warglaives back in the day and just thinking
"This game balance is awful"
They need to not repeat that
wary moss
They definitely need to make it so the legendary weapon scales down in PvP
If it's like the evoker one we shouldn't have to worry to much. Shit never drops lol
rustic raptor
something tells me its gonna be nerfed but just enough so that lfr and normal versions arent worth it but the higher lvl ones will be
time to join a guild and raid heroic on my arms lol
steel scarab
Yeah but, let's say the #1 ranked player in the world is using that axe
Seems pretty unfair
rustic raptor
the ilvl alone from mythic will make it worth using tbh
so for the 10 ppl that get it and also pvp, good for them
steel scarab
Because I definitely remember all the top arena rogues back in the day had Warglaives, and if you didn't have them, Gladiator probably wasn't happening
@rustic raptor I don't agree. PvE time investment should not translate to PvP advantage
They don't like PvP gear to be viable in raids, so why the reverse?
rustic raptor
oh i agree
steel scarab
Other than, they're scrambling to keep people raiding, because raiding (to most players) is objectively awful
rustic raptor
im just saying i think the mythic axe will be objectively an upgrade for pvp even if the abilities dont work
steel scarab
Oh, absolutely 100% true
Hence my statement
They need to scale the ilev of it down to 489
rustic raptor
for sure
steel scarab
In PvP
steel scarab
There's just no logical reason for it to scale higher than the rest of the PvP gear when everything else in the game scales down
rustic raptor
even as recently as bfa ppl were cheesing with the wheel and drest trinkets right (not to even mention corruptions)
steel scarab
I remember I quit right after I got mine back in the day lol
But yeah, keep that crap out of Arena
If you wanna go stomp an unranked game with them, whatever, but not in ranked
Just totally counterintuitive to skill based game balance
jolly sierra
yeah, was used in cata anyways
waxen meteor
fkn job is killing me
I hardly played this week, thanksgiving week too busy
then coming back surely a crazy monday
languid ravine
wait, we can use honour to get the world quest upgrade tokens? sheesh
languid ravine
ah but thats even better imo
steel scarab
Wait, what's a world quest upgrade token? Can I get a rundown or a link to something that explains it? I thought it was honor gear or Arena pieces
tribal badger
ye its nice
languid ravine
it means nolifers like me wont have an advantage the first two weeks from grinding honour 30hours a day
waxen meteor
it's like this, you get 8 trophy 1 week late, and avoid doing world quests
but you spend 3500 honor or sth
steel scarab
I'm honor capped
tribal badger
its 3500 per trophy
steel scarab
So spending honor seems fine
tribal badger
so pretty steep
waxen meteor
yeah the only problem is just 1 week late
tribal badger
but still nice they added any catchup
steel scarab
Well that's better than not having it at all, which, currently is my situation lol
waxen meteor
but most classes are done for trophy after 3-4 weeks
steel scarab
I've noticed in some arenas my opponents have slightly more hp
I wonder if that's the reason
waxen meteor
sub may require most trophy
rustic raptor
theyll have an extra 2 epic pieces of gear on you
waxen meteor
486 in arena gear is good
rustic raptor
weapons are good to spend trophies on
steel scarab
Ah, balls, I used conquest on a dagger already
waxen meteor
i am not spending 30k on a honor belt
but my rogue already got the trophy mastery belt
so i put the thing on
steel scarab
Yeah I didn't buy the buckle for the honor belt, I figured I'd do it when I get the conquest belt
waxen meteor
for sub the world pvp one is pretty much final
steel scarab
So is it, honor gear < world PVP gear < conquest gear?
waxen meteor
yeah
steel scarab
How do you actually acquire the world PVP gear?
waxen meteor
world pvp < honor < world pvp with trophy < conquest
get some blood coin and trophy
vagrant mortar
why 2 daggers as sub?
waxen meteor
why 2 daggers as sub?
new shadow techtic
steel scarab
Is that just, be in War Mode and kill people?
vagrant mortar
oh okay thanks a lot^^
waxen meteor
yeah but kill people is too slow
languid ravine
which conquest pieces do yall prio after weapons?
steel scarab
Man I wish the game made this crap more obvious to the average player lol
waxen meteor
just do some pvp quests
tribal badger
no theres a weekly quest for 8 trophies of strife
all wpvp quests and killing people give bloody yea
waxen meteor
like i think on plain map now, there's a world quest giving you like 600 blood coin now
if you are in NA
languid ravine
eu 750 coins kek
steel scarab
Do you only see these world quests if you have War Mode on?
Because I've never seen those
waxen meteor
Probably, i don't know, i always keep war mode on
tribal badger
yes u can only see them with warmode on
waxen meteor
and also crate helps
which crate is like 200+
if you are alliance you almost get it automatically
steel scarab
I did in previous xpacs, my gf made me shut it off in Shadowlands because we started the game mid xpac and we were getting griefed by geared sub rogues 1v2ing us lol
So haven't had warmode on since
waxen meteor
don't worry, world pvp is crazy
wary moss
Doing the dailies in the zone the quest is for gives you 10-15 sparks per too
waxen meteor
i got screwed by some random dudes at world map every now and then
they got 318403208 different items
disappear, jump to 38214038208 feet high, and shoot you with parachute
steel scarab
Okay, def gonna turn warmode on! Gotta let her know it's worth it for the gear. Plus, we actually have a full set of honor gear and 1 conquest piece, so it doesn't feel totally unfair like it did in Shadowlands when we had nothing
waxen meteor
blabla
don't take world pvp seriously
too many items buff people crazy
literally, i got killed by a 1800 rank hunter in world map back and forth just the other day
and it's right at orgrimer's gate
steel scarab
Oof
waxen meteor
that dude was able to mark me in stealth from 12381028 miles away out of no reason
and he vanished like 3 times on me
steel scarab
It makes me sad, too, that DOTs still last so long
waxen meteor
i don't even know what the fuck was that
he is a NE, so I can understand once
but three times in a row lol
steel scarab
Every DOT in the game lasting 20 seconds and not being able to restealth as a super stealth reliant class just feels awful
If my first conquest purchase was my MH dagger, any thoughts on a solid second conquest purchase?
waxen meteor
- MH Dagger
- I would take hand and convert to tier, if you can make 1600
steel scarab
Why 1600? I thought the gear was all the same ilev in arena?
waxen meteor
My rogue currently has
Conquest Dagger
Trophy Dagger
Trophy Belt
Crafted Head (Mastery over 90%HP)
Crafted Boot (CC Agi)
Tier hand + Tier Leg
waxen meteor
Why 1600? I thought the gear was all the same ilev in arena?
1600 rank gives you a free tier
steel scarab
A free tier piece?! Really?
We are 1200 in 3v3 and we only did 15 games so far
So we definitely gotta do some more!
waxen meteor
well, it really depends on your MMR
steel scarab
I think we could probably hit 1600
waxen meteor
it's Monday now, no reason to redeem your conquest
wait for vault and if you make 1600 then decide
steel scarab
We were doing Boomkin, Assassination Rogue, and Holy Paladin
Right, that is a good idea
I will wait and see what's in my vault, good call
jolly sierra
then coming back surely a crazy monday
O O F
waxen meteor
Oh we get a tier tomorrow guaranteed
why?
oh you mean the bi-weekly charge?
Nice queue is reaching 50 mins
this is a dead game
spring bough
Yeah we get to use a charge tomorrow
Hoping for a chest in vault and ima buy gloves to convert and tier sets done
waxen meteor
I am not sure if sub 4 tier is even a upgrade or downgrade lol
spring bough
Found out duelist gives you heroic upgrade gear from the vault. Bout to find out if rival 2 does tomorrow too or if it’s just champion level
steel scarab
@waxen meteor I don't think the game is dead
It's Monday at 3pm, people are at work lol
jolly sierra
i was comparing tooltips in wowhead
and seems SBS is more efficient both dmg and energy wise to use inside shadow dance
instead ambush as 1st option as spender
rustic raptor
missed opportunity for blitz to count towards vault
waxen meteor
missed opportunity for blitz to count towards vault
yeah thats horrible
thorn pond
I am not sure if sub 4 tier is even a upgrade or downgrade lol
I think that we loose too much stats with the 4 set, the stat spread of the pieces is not that good. But maybe the bonus makes up for it
steel scarab
Blitz is really fun
vocal latch
big brain time, do we pop symbols with dance or use it for energy + goremaw when needed?
both in dance, just not at the start
waxen meteor
I am doing with dance
man, solo queue today is miserable
i think i have to do lfr raid
thorn pond
I generally use it along side goremaw. I don’t like to use it with dance but I see many people do it that way. Gotta check if it adds something or not to do one way or the other
thorn pond
True, gotta see if I loose much not having symbols for the 1st evis before going maw + cb sec tec
Will check tomorrow if the difference is significant
hybrid rapids
Hey guys, does the pve ilvl of crafted boots matter if the pvp crest is high?
languid ravine
no
waxen meteor
spring bough
If you aren’t a DK or DH good luck getting a LFG invite 😂
languid ravine
just play a DK, but secretly queue as Frost DK MWUEHEHEHEHE
so is Frost utter shit or just literally everyone on the UH hype train like good sheeple?
spring bough
Every time I play against a frost dk match doesn’t last longer than 45 seconds lol
Feel like they just melt idk why
stoic spruce
so is Frost utter shit or just literally everyone on the UH hype train like good...
Blood is better
Than frost
peak agate
As a frost dk enjoyer it's just easier to spam DC as uh right now
exotic dove
If you aren’t a DK or DH good luck getting a LFG invite 😂
And people wonder why 3s are deflated and Shuffle is popping off despite dps queue times
surreal barn
Is it big for us or just meh?
proven kayak
If you aren’t a DK or DH good luck getting a LFG invite 😂
to be fair in 2s assa is very good
spring bough
i am currently in a 2 rogue, outlaw and sin, against 2 DH solo lobby
i wanna die lol
4-2 on a double DH lobby sin rogue gets 0 wins RIP
"i see why no one is playing sin this is garbage" LMAO bro so bad
worthy crag
dang, no mention of bugfixes with this coming reset?
peak agate
"i see why no one is playing sin this is garbage" LMAO bro so bad
That's good, less likely for pvp nerfs.
spring bough
class tuning came out for tomorrow and 0 pve/pvp changes for rogues.... WHEW
peak agate
Yes sir!
jolly sierra
"i see why no one is playing sin this is garbage" LMAO bro so bad
bruh
homie never played assa
and is unaware about zug countering
ivory sequoia
spring bough
homie never played assa
my guy was around 1920 rating tho lol
tbf these DH just mosh pitted and aoed the whole time lol
jolly sierra
this guy starter whining on me AS SURV saying im broken
"if ur class wouldnt be broken what would u do?"
"cancel sub?"
"play"
"as always"
"git gud surv"
"than u are whining me at whisp"
"KEK"
then said i played at 1k6
i said
"week 2"
he dced after insulting my rating
so i went to his server and said
"imagine crying for being unable to win against someone u counter and then dceing"
"im doing the same"
DCes
peak agate
I actually got my first rage whisper (in a long time) from a dk on my warrior alt. I ain't never so much salt in a long time. He did more damage than me using mostly death coils as continuously chains of ice me until I killed him behind the pillar.
pliant spoke
does hemotoxin stack with wound poison for assass?
jolly sierra
does hemotoxin stack with wound poison for assass?
no
jolly sierra
I actually got my first rage whisper (in a long time) from a dk on my warrior al...
xdd
dat zugzugs
jolly sierra
XD
peak agate
Pvers stack mastery and crit. Plus Augmentation evokers. They are probably getting some juicy bleed ticks
peak agate
Pvers stack mastery and crit. Plus Augmentation evokers. They are probably getti...
Oh and Kingsbane procs lul
waxen meteor
Tbh I don’t raid but I feel a bit sad for who plays sin pvp this season …
Seems nerf incoming
peak agate
Doubt it, we are still squishy.
I don't think we are season 1 levels of oppressive either.
waxen meteor
Far away from s1 for sure
spring bough
DH just whisper me after a solo "your damage is broken" uhhhhh look whose talking LOL
peak agate
DH just whisper me after a solo "your damage is broken" uhhhhh look whose talkin...
Elysium decree for 500k
spring bough
overall he did 5 million more damage than me.... and saying things like "most of my damage is padded" bro is delusional
proven kayak
Next week sub rogue getting nerfed for sure after bug fix
peak agate
The bug where you did damage
waxen meteor
proven kayak
Evis missing like 40% dmg now
They fixed it
proven kayak
Yes watching Pima and nahj on details@saying ifs fixed
waxen meteor
Then I swapped to alt this afternoon
In real game on dummy?
That talent has been working on pvp dummy
But doesn’t work on real people
At least till this morning
proven kayak
In arena it seems working
jolly sierra
DH just whisper me after a solo "your damage is broken" uhhhhh look whose talkin...
XDDDDD
dude always its rogue fault
jolly sierra
getting rage whispers its the funniest shit for a rog tho
if u get that
then u are doing good
btw
i confuse a lot
both welinth and somatic
waxen meteor
sad thing is while testing evis 30% shadow dmg, found out ss teleport is still broken
jolly sierra
F
spring bough
ima try out sin in solo
jolly sierra
wanna some quick lessons?
spring bough
saw some build using crimson tempest, sudden demise, indisc carnage, KB, and arterial
looks nasty lol
spring bough
my guess is to stack the bleeds for easier sudden demise?
got a 1.27 million kingsbane on the dummy with it LOL
jolly sierra
XD
jolly sierra
my guess is to stack the bleeds for easier sudden demise?
emmmmmm
dot up, using the shadow dance alongside KB and a pvp badge
before that using shiv
to increase KB dmg
deathmark w bleed up
spring bough
sin feels kinda silly garrotte doing 71k ticks lmao
mystic shoal
sin feels kinda silly garrotte doing 71k ticks lmao
What's the issue
jolly sierra
yeah this multiglad from a hour ago was mad about me killing him at 1k6
spring bough
no issue? just saying feels like it does a lot of damage i mean dispatch hits for that and its a finisher lol
mystic shoal
no issue? just saying feels like it does a lot of damage i mean dispatch hits fo...
oh yeah true
its okay tho
we need that
DHs doing 400k Elysian Decrees and shit
gimmie my 71k ticks
also buff dispatch
spring bough
i like how garrote and rupture get the dotted highlights when indiscriminate is active
peak agate
no issue? just saying feels like it does a lot of damage i mean dispatch hits fo...
I ain't never done pass 40k tick on someone
spring bough
just on the pvp dummy im sure itll be a lot less in solo lol
mystic shoal
yeah realistically my max garrote tick is like
40k in PVP
and thats a crit
30k actually
oh nvm I see a 54k crit 💀
spring bough
now if i can only get this KB dummy hit replicated in a solo XD
peak agate
Later in the season when I have more crafted gear and give less fucks. I'm going to stack some mastery and crit and pve people down like last season
spring bough
yeah sin is nuts
almost out damage a DH with this build lol
and i dont even know the right rotation lmaooo
peak agate
You should try an epic bg with all the aoe talents. You gonna have a ball
spring bough
i got one kingsbane hit to go for 156k lol
peak agate
i got one kingsbane hit to go for 156k lol
Initial hit or a tick?
spring bough
cant tell it it was the initial or a tick probably the first hit
and got a 198k now lol
peak agate
It's the 200k envenom crits that are special.
No one expect those, certainly not the rogue who hit it.
spring bough
the 210k kingsbane on a paladin followed with a 121k envenom for the KB dude didnt even bubble
steel scarab
I don't understand though
What set of abilities lining up is causing Envenom to crit that high for you?
I have never, ever seen that
spring bough
idr know much about sin but im guessing because i had shiv and dance up when i let it rip
steel scarab
I thought Dance only buffed damage for Subtlety
steel scarab
Oh, lord I am dumb, I forgot about that talent
That's nice though, when the stars align we can hit kind of hard lol
spring bough
i like this aoe go for it. gets everyone dotted up fast lol
pale storm
Now that shadowed finishers has been fixed, we just need the shadow strike teleport to be hot fixed 😅
steel scarab
Just takes multiple cooldowns to replicate (Shiv (20s), Cold Blood (45s), Dance (1 minute), and a full CP Envenom
peak agate
What set of abilities lining up is causing Envenom to crit that high for you?
I roll dtb and I'm guessing shiv was on dude.
I get pretty consistent 100k envenoms.
worthy crag
Is there a way to like, import a tree into an existing tree instead of needing to create a new one with every import
jolly sierra
huh
gray sandal
anyone know of a outlol pvp streamer? Im lovnig it its so fun. Also waht statyou thik we would want? crit or mastery
gray sandal
i know crit is worse in pvp but with BTE if it crits its 4 times damage so ...
hmm hes hasnt played in like 2 months
jolly sierra
well idk at this step sorry lol
gray sandal
all good man thanks for info though
jolly sierra
np
gray sandal
waht spec you playing?
im sure other as prob better just outlol is super fun right now
to me
jolly sierra
assa
radiant glen
<:lookUp:1073403715156967545>
love it
spring bough
im liking sin right now already 1200 LOL
getting 125k envenoms and 200k kingsbanes feels nuts lol
jolly sierra
cmon reach the 300k kingsbanes
spring bough
One round I had 3 casts for 822k overall lol
jolly sierra
oof
i can tell u how to beef them
if u wanna to
but u need to show me ur talents
mystic shoal
i can tell u how to beef them
isnt it literally just use in shadow dance w shiv
to beef it
with scent of blood buff active too
jolly sierra
isnt it literally just use in shadow dance w shiv
no, there are more
i need to see his talents to explain
jolly sierra
show
jolly sierra
k
jolly sierra
those ones affects directly the KB
zoldyck does boost it a lot under 35% hp
so if u land one around that amount
its over
cold blood guarantees the crit chance so will work like chaos bolt
mystic shoal
yeah that's generally what I do
jolly sierra
w lethality
spring bough
I’m using alacrity w the cp talent I should switch those to the CB then I’d have everything else. CB macro for the kingsbane sounds ridic
jolly sierra
I’m using alacrity w the cp talent I should switch those to the CB then I’d have...
dont use alacrity
spend the other one in lethality
bah then its done
lol
mystic shoal
I’m using alacrity w the cp talent I should switch those to the CB then I’d have...
alac is dogshit
spring bough
Going to get more crits now off kingsbane that’s for sure lol
spring bough
Big brain lol
jolly sierra
so its 100% better in all cases if u go kingsbane
spring bough
Bout to drop people even faster now lol
mystic shoal
Bout to drop people even faster now lol
it's insane how many one shots I've gotten
the only thing w swapping from Outlaw to Sin is survivability
Outlaw needs armor penetration bad, and Sin needs combat stamina
if you give them both those two things, the sepcs would feel so much better
spring bough
2 kingsbane 810k damage overall LOL
jolly sierra
have u tried using SBS as priority over ambush in shadow dance stances?
jolly sierra
think its better in pressure overall if u save a lot of energy and does more dmg baseline than ambush
gray sandal
oh @mystic shoal waht you runnig for Outlul? im digging it and just running M= build currently with some survive talents lol
mystic shoal
think its better in pressure overall if u save a lot of energy and does more dmg...
yeah, unless blindside proc ofc
gray sandal
cant you dispell kings bane though?
jolly sierra
yeah, unless blindside proc ofc
well yeah but throw the shit out those sbs lol
mystic shoal
cant you dispell kings bane though?
the initial hit is really what chunks
but the dot after is good too
mystic shoal
well yeah but throw the shit out those sbs lol
yeah 100%
jolly sierra
tbh would save 2
for dance
and the third one would throw it anyways outside to dont waste the cd
spring bough
1 cast 456k damage this just keeps going up LOL
mystic shoal
1 cast 456k damage this just keeps going up LOL
are you in a shuffle rn
spring bough
yeah lol
mystic shoal
yeah lol
what ur rating
it'd be hilarious if we que into each other
i've been in queue for god knows how long
spring bough
1236 as sin right now lol
mystic shoal
oh nice nice
I wonder if 4 set will see us running ER build over KB
maybe amp poison too
marsh ridge
shadowed finishers is now working as intended?:)
mystic shoal
shadowed finishers is now working as intended?:)
yeah it was hotfixed
jolly sierra
u are climbing fast kek
mystic shoal
1600 as sin now LOL
bro did a 6-0 LMAO
jolly sierra
chad
worthy crag
Ugh, tried nahj's new vigor finality build with the shadowed finisher fix but
im back to pv goremaw I guess
spare cobalt
ok playing sin rogue and getting stomped on by warriors tonight anyone got any tips for them cause they showing up in alot of my solo queues tonight
this is my current setup and i was doing good till i was getting alot of warriors in my solos anything i should change???
mystic shoal
this is my current setup and i was doing good till i was getting alot of warrior...
Well you're not running disarm
as a pvp talent
should always take that against dk, warr, rogue
spare cobalt
i default to that when im outside
jolly sierra
to bait charges and shit
spare cobalt
of pvp
mystic shoal
this is my current setup and i was doing good till i was getting alot of warrior...
try this
spare cobalt
all honesty what is doing well and strong atm sin or outlaw cause ive been tempted to try out outlaw
mystic shoal
all honesty what is doing well and strong atm sin or outlaw cause ive been tempt...
Both are good. Look at the specs and see which one you enjoy
Outlaw way more tanky
gray sandal
ya and fun when you get teh BTE procs
mystic shoal
But no armor penetration so you hit like shit against warriors
gray sandal
yup
mystic shoal
Sin heavy pressure, good kill potential w kidney bomb dance and kb but you don’t have the health pool outlaw does or restless blades shit so you can fall over easily if not careful. Have to play defensive a lot
gray sandal
im doign this for BG and 2v2 for fun but thinking this why i want more crit
i move over the BF to what you use for real games
spare cobalt
im just stuck with playing rogue as ive had more time on rogue than my og warrior from og TBC days so ive been stuck on rogue this expac so ive just ran sin for the previous patches and getting kinda bland is all and feel like i get no push for rating atm
gray sandal
its fun to watch everyone get whittled down with BF though lol even in 2v2 if they both on you
mystic shoal
im just stuck with playing rogue as ive had more time on rogue than my og warrio...
Then try outlaw. New things are good too, might be time for a swap
spare cobalt
just trying to figure out what spec atm is doing better is all so trying to find opinions i guess
mystic shoal
just trying to figure out what spec atm is doing better is all so trying to find...
Go outlaw
gray sandal
oh @dapper garden you stream?
marsh ridge
where is the shadowed finisher's 30%? :/
just a little pvp dummy session only shadowstrike eviscerate
spare cobalt
HOLY SHIT YEAH OUTLAW JEEZUS
had the perfect roll the bones into a bte and crit for a massive 200k
gleaming pawn
exotic dove
Oh hell yeah nice glad they are on top of fixing things. They do need to fix shadowstrike not teleporting though
marsh ridge
is it going to be updated after weekly reset? I shared a screenshot showing that only 3.2% is added as shadow
exotic dove
By chance anyone know yet if Assa Four set breaks cc?
exotic dove
is it going to be updated after weekly reset? I shared a screenshot showing that...
The Shadow Finishers talent seems to be working so far seems like today some if not all were implemented
wary spire
That one hunter dude from na forums who were entirely convinced it was intentional is in shambles now.
wintry dew
Now fix the teleportation from shadow strike and I'll play again
ebon hamlet
What’s the best spec for pvp is assassination any good
And what should my opener look like as an assassination rogue in 2v2s
stoic spruce
nobody wants outlaw for rbgs :/
I just want to cap vault
wanton breach
where is the shadowed finisher's 30%? :/
click on the drop down arrow?
proven kayak
Man it’s really boring I barely can do one to two ssr per day
cursive umbra
we liking the fixed 30%?
can we tell the difference in an actual real setup/go in arena?
proven kayak
It hits like a truck
untold remnant
What I'm curious about is if both instances of eviscerate can now trigger 2-set
That would make 2-set pretty strong
wintry dew
hitting for 14k in pvp .less than garrote tick
That fucker is supposed to do 150% bonus dmg if you only hitting one target
jolly sierra
FINALLY
spring bough
hitting for 14k in pvp .less than garrote tick
It’s nerfed by 50% lol
waxen meteor
don't steal my post
#pvp message
stoic spruce
teehee
waxen meteor
yeah this was fixed yesterday
i did arena around noon ish yesterday, was still broken
did another game after someone said it's fixed here, shadow dmg was there
twin burrow
yay for shadow damage
now we gonna get nerfed, cause sub was still feeling A tier at least XD
wary spire
Dragonslayers, please, have mercy.
mystic shoal
oh <@108436689361326080> you stream?
Naw I don’t but I considered it. Why what’s up ?
pale storm
Did they fix shadow strike teleport
worthy crag
yo my alt has been getting trash from the vault forcing me to get tokens 2 weeks in a row
what
spring bough
Who got that vault luck
graceful ravine
Rogues look crazy, is it time to re sub??
spring bough
Rogues look crazy, is it time to re sub??
Yes come back to the Law
Feels amazing smashing BTE doing big damage
graceful ravine
Hah I’m too tied up irl to invest time into playing again
Glad yall still grinding
And mmr looks really deflated still, which is pretty demotivating to play
spring bough
Solo isn’t so bad quite a bit of elites there already
waxen meteor
sub after fix will be good
not sure if teleport is fixed
trying now
OK, not fixed
elfin maple
is shadow finishers fixed in eu also?
spring bough
Sin going to get nerfed so bad lol
elfin maple
or is it coming with the tomorrow reset
spring bough
People on wow forums complaining about it getting blue post responses about how they are analyzing and things are coming
“Imagine taking a small chunk of assassins DPS and giving it to others” 😂 feels good for rogue to be ontop for once
fervent cobalt
is ss fixed?
mystic shoal
No shot I got tier helm for 3pc bro
do I take
.................................................
spring bough
No shot I got tier helm for 3pc bro
I’d be crying cause I have a crafted helm 😭
mystic shoal
I’d be crying cause I have a crafted helm 😭
brother I didn't even use last weeks spark yet
because I fucking KNEW
Wondering if I should just take this helm instead
spring bough
Tough decision lol
pure tendon
Both 2-set and 4-set feel very underwhelming for outlaw in ss right?
Like, I have 483 gloves, 476 head, 476 shoulders and 476 chest all tier pieces, but feel like I'm better of just using pvp items with vers/crit?
mystic shoal
shadenox said yes
no shot
but you don't run kb build do you?
isnt it ER and Envenom
@jolly sierra also see the problem is that
I have to take tier head
:/
to get 4pc
jolly sierra
but you don't run kb build do you?
i run KB
but doesnt matter TBH
is not like u are just based in do envenoms
lemme quote him
mystic shoal
lemme quote him
yuh lemme see
jolly sierra
this is from when i asked him why we shouldnt just pick 2set
basically "free dmg, decent stats"
hits like 40k in single target i recall
no problem about just running shadow dance with KB BTW
vapid ledge
Yo @vocal surge sorry for the @ but I was curious how 2 set is for Outlaw?
Checking my vault and not sure what to take lol
spring bough
Both 2-set and 4-set feel very underwhelming for outlaw in ss right?
Def want the 4 set for extra RTB buff guarantee
tribal badger
???? they didnt retroactively change conqe gear already purchased to be on the champion track?
you need to buy another piece if you want it
lmao
jolly sierra
OOF
spring bough
I thought they said they were updating it all
tribal badger
the vendors goes to 476
spring bough
Pretty sure they said if you had Vet at a certain level it would turn to champion lol
tribal badger
my conq dagger still caps at 463 tho
versed trellis
Hey guys how much does outlaw like 4 set. Is it worth 20 ilvl drop?
tribal badger
20 ilvl drop in on slot? potentially
20 ilvl of ur actual ilvl drop? almost certainly not
versed trellis
Yeah have 460 pve set shoulders. But have bloody token shoulders as well. Would need the pve shoulders for 4 set. Trying to decide if worth.
tribal badger
thats probably worth its only 1 slot ur dropping ilvl
so ur actual net ilvl is only going down by ~1-2
versed trellis
Okay thanks. Geared up kinda dumb and went pve before fully committing to PvP. So my slots are all messed up,
Wish I didn’t do tokens for shoulders now.
Vault has killed with no set 😦
jolly sierra
im done for today
spring bough
Time to cop that free piece
mystic shoal
lock gets folded every game
how do you not press wall as a lock
also 382k kingsbane
💀
jolly sierra
always the worse ones
mystic shoal
Mage do u have 4pc yet
jolly sierra
are the ones which blames the most
jolly sierra
cuz just got the 1k6 token
mystic shoal
i still have my spark
jolly sierra
so u can get a crafted mastery versa dagger
something like this but w decent ilvl (yeah i was using this all the fkn time lol)
mystic shoal
holy fuck Shade
mystic shoal
something like this but w decent ilvl (yeah i was using this all the fkn time lo...
look at this bullshit man
wait SHADE
YOU'RE HERE
DO YOU THINK IT'S WORTH TO TAKE TIER HEAD
chrome schooner
yeah well I picked a socket on 3 out of 5 rogues the first week since my vaults were so bad
mystic shoal
for 4PC
chrome schooner
No
I don't think so, not with the dance build at least
I feel like haste isn't really good
mystic shoal
i crafted infurios boots
mystic shoal
I spent conq on outlaw weapon like a clown
mystic shoal
then made the swap after queing into warriors at 1700 and hitting like piss
chrome schooner
well outlaw is in a very good spot atm
mystic shoal
yeah it is
versed trellis
I asked a little earlier but does outlaw like 4 set this season?
mystic shoal
only annoying thing is that if you get CC'd in dance
chrome schooner
I have this so far
mystic shoal
it feels so fucking cooked bro
chrome schooner
gloves & legs are set
versed trellis
Have to decide if it’s worth loosing some ilvl for 4 set.
spring bough
I asked a little earlier but does outlaw like 4 set this season?
2 and 4 set yeah
mystic shoal
I asked a little earlier but does outlaw like 4 set this season?
yessir
chrome schooner
and this char actually still has 1k conquest and the reset is tomorrow
spring bough
Definitely want the RTB extra buff
mystic shoal
I can only have 850 conq this week
versed trellis
4 set worth 463 shoulders vs 486 non tier shoulders?
jolly sierra
im thinking in pushing w ret next, is close to 1k6
so i can rest and wait for reset
spring bough
4 set worth 463 shoulders vs 486 non tier shoulders?
Might be tbh if it’s just one piece for a week or two
Goal w that set is to get the one RTB buff you want and keep rerolling it. Thinking you’d probably wanna do the BTE crit one and always reroll it so you have damn near 100% crit chance on BTE
versed trellis
Might be tbh if it’s just one piece for a week or two
Yeah that’s what I’m debating. I have pve shoulders from normal. I have 2 cata pieces and the 1600 token. Trying to decide if I should use 4 set with the 463 shoulder or 2 set with 486 shoulders. Tough decision!
spring bough
Just gotta test it out in arena see what feels better. I’d probably lean towards the four set
versed trellis
My problem with testing is if I decide not to go with 4 set I don’t want to use my token incase I get that piece out of vault next week lol,
tulip tapir
is it better to take a pve piece if its gonna give me 2 set over pvp piece that wont
versed trellis
is it better to take a pve piece if its gonna give me 2 set over pvp piece that ...
Scroll up that’s the conversation I’m having right now lol.
tribal badger
i took pve pieces but all my pve pieces r 489 so they r pvp pieces basically
just do +20s for ur vaults to get pvp ilvl pve gear
versed trellis
i took pve pieces but all my pve pieces r 489 so they r pvp pieces basically
Yeah huge difference between that and a 463x
tulip tapir
mine will only be 447 :p
versed trellis
Oof that’s what down there.
ivory radish
can someone tell me how I get the lucid shadewalker tier pieces? I got one from the vault but the conquest vendor doesnt have any tier sets where are these supposed to come from? havent played all expansion so thanks for the patience with the noob question :p
spring bough
can someone tell me how I get the lucid shadewalker tier pieces? I got one from ...
You get one free piece any you chose from 1600. You need to use the creation catalyst to turn pieces into tier
As of today you have 2 catalyst charges if you haven’t used any yet
jolly sierra
u turn them into tier with conquest or purple hellbloom gear in tyrhold
ivory radish
okay so i can just buy conquest vendor pieces and then change them into tier
jolly sierra
in a house, with a machine
spring bough
Yup
ivory radish
awesome thanks!
tribal badger
2 total as of now
(how many u can change to tier
which means if uve received 1 piece of tier from vault, u can guarentee 4set as of today
wanton kernel
Hey guys, should i buy weapon and risk that i dont have 2 set boni tomorrow with bad luck or is 2 set prio?
waxen meteor
I am 25 conquest away from 4 tier lol
But not able to do this week
And also I am not sure if it’s even good to have it as sub
jolly sierra
And also I am not sure if it’s even good to have it as sub
try using a malicia piece
sharp pumice
How did I get 2 conquest pvp crafting pieces on my warrior
waxen coyote
what rogue spec is strongest right now on pvp?
sharp pumice
Like I legitimately don't know how I did it and I need it on rogue
Sub and assass are good right now, which is better? I'd consult leaderboards. Outlaw good too.
tribal badger
Like I legitimately don't know how I did it and I need it on rogue
they gave us two crafted items to start the season?
one for helm/chest/legs one for shoulders/belt/boots
they always do
two of the pvp trophies
tribal badger
u get a quest for them from ur first pvp box from a match of the season
u turn the quest into the pvp room and he gives u the two trophies
sharp pumice
I've got hundreds of those, wtf
tribal badger
then u use those to go get the crafted gear
sharp pumice
Hmm
tribal badger
u still need to have it crafted
they r a crafting mat so they will go into ur reagents tab of bank if u autofill it
but every toon gets it from the first pvp box they open
make sure u turned in or accepted the quest from the quest item
or check the reagens tab of ur bank
jolly sierra
yeah
got a good match btw in SS like an hour ago btw
was against DH/surv/dk
ended 5-1
maybe was lucky
god is funny to record this stuff
jolly sierra
magic
spring bough
Them nameplates can’t miss em 😂
You’re making me wanna play sin later instead of outlaw lol
jolly sierra
You’re making me wanna play sin later instead of outlaw lol
HAHAHAHA