pvp

[lone valve]

so i guess you're not supposed to play sanguine blades as sin

[wary spire]

Looks like you do actually, huh.

[lone valve]

lul

[wary spire]

I assumed no. But looks like people are running it.

Wellp.

[lone valve]

[chrome schooner]

I thought it would be annoying to run at first, personally, but it ends up being rather good

[jolly sierra]

wait what

[chrome schooner]

I raise you this !

[lone valve]

Gah damn

how in the world

[chrome schooner]

Assa deals 30% more damage to targets below 35% health

The guy also had DH magic debuff since it was a shuffle

[lone valve]

righttt

[chrome schooner]

And then I had every buff myself

Weapon enchant as well

[lone valve]

juicy 500k hit

[chrome schooner]

No

411k

Details show how much of the hit is overkill

Not the actual hit + overkill

[wary spire]

500, take the change.

[lone valve]

i thought details deathlog showed the dmg split, 411 + 102 overkill

[chrome schooner]

So it's 411k, 102k of it being overkill

[lone valve]

You sure?

[chrome schooner]

Yes

[wary spire]

Who needs sudden demise anyway.

[lone valve]

cause afaik it worked like the in-game combat log

[chrome schooner]

But details isn't the in-game combat log 😄

[lone valve]

hmm

[chrome schooner]

I will show proof wait 1 sec

you really think he had 306k health at 5% remaining ? 😄

[lone valve]

makes sene

guess i was wrong

[chrome schooner]

Indeed!

[lone valve]

still, 411k very nice hit

[chrome schooner]

It is the highest I've had

[lone valve]

best i got was a 259MS

[jolly sierra]

highest ive had in a rated was a 290k KB

[wary spire]

Do you play differently because of it?

Like, with it and without venom rush I assume it's way slower.

[surreal barn]

My favorite is hitting a mage at 30% health with a kingsbane and them just dying before iceblock

I’ve been swapping between acro strikes and cold blood sometimes for the kingsbane. A tough choice for some matches

[wary spire]

Oi?

[jolly sierra]

OI

[wary spire]

What the hell are veteran and champion?

We get more pve levels on conquest and that's it?

God I wish I could read.

[jolly sierra]

pve ilvl

basically

[wary spire]

Cewl.

[jolly sierra]

ended upgrading my belt

w the embellishment

[wary spire]

Maybe I could finally solo those elites.

[jolly sierra]

kept the enchant

thanks god its expensive af

[wary spire]

Fucking elites.

Whole nuffin location is full of elites that you kill in a group with nobody playing that shit.

[jolly sierra]

can help u

in like half a hour more

dammit still expensive af

[wary spire]

Nah nah, I'm still at work.

[wary spire]

Wasn't it like 30k before?

[jolly sierra]

ye

[wary spire]

I was being stingy with enchanting my honor gear but then went like hey, I don't spend gold on other shit anyway.

[jolly sierra]

im stingy w enchants when gear is not full ilvl

so i bought r2

for example this tier is malicia gear

i didnt bought the r3 enchant cuz

1. wasnt full ilvl
2. r3 costed like 3 times the price

from r2

[stoic spruce]

did they say when this applies?

[sharp pumice]

Agilidad y fuerza sounds cooler than the English & German

Kraften beweglichkeit

[upper wing]

How important is the DR tracker for Outlaw

[surreal barn]

Important for every rogue

[jolly sierra]

oof still wonder how germans talks in that way without lose their breath

[glossy tusk]

My friend just boosted a mage to play with my rogue in 2s, I assume Sub and Sin would be best, but can Outlaw work as well now too? It's my favorite spec, especially with recent changes

[jolly sierra]

nope

[stoic spruce]

C:

[tribal badger]

all 3 specs can work with mage for sure

subs just most effective generally

[stoic spruce]

this crest aquisition is so ass in pvp

[glossy tusk]

Awesome, thanks. Didn't want to retool my gear and spec if I didn't have to.

[lament tartan]

assa rogue, deadly poison or MS poison with a class that doesnt have ms?

[waxen meteor]

Most use deadly + hemo now

[lament tartan]

and they play dance right for that extra garrote?

when do you play the bleed spec (exec) vs the 4 poisons one?

[stoic spruce]

to that assa I just played with

if youre here

gfy

vanish offensively is also stupid

it killed me

[waxen meteor]

Dance for big garrote, cc and overall dmg boost in and out dance period. I think in pve section they noticed night-stalker buffs the entire rupture tiks

Big garrote not only boosts own dmg but only reduce dmg from target

For the DTB vs Execution, seems both way work, more preference

[tribal badger]

dance also buffs the whole kingsbane duration

[wary spire]

Looks like not the case anymore.

I thought so too.

[waxen meteor]

I don’t think this is a good reference atm, look also 29 people takes the talent with 5% more slowness

[stoic spruce]

Tarny

[wary spire]

I mean. It's either a conspiracy of the top guys to gaslight us into picking it, or other options in most match-ups are worse.

Today was a day full of discoveries for me.

[waxen meteor]

Or some high skillers just don’t care too much about theory

That’s common tbh

[wary spire]

People are picking up wound, 5% slow and sanguine.

[waxen meteor]

Sanguine is good

5% slow hmm

Wound then it goes DTB

[wary spire]

I thought it sucked because we're never above 50% energy.

[wary spire]

Nope!

Were my thoughts too.

[mystic shoal]

what is assa stacking rn

[mystic shoal]

crit/vers?

[waxen meteor]

That’s my initial pick of wound only haha

[mystic shoal]

Also I wish Outlaw had shadowdust

😭

[waxen meteor]

Working on dummy after a bit I moved to deadly

But it could be wound only a good option

[gleaming pawn]

Sin is no longer a fast paced ability spam spec, it's back to pooling for damage windows

[surreal barn]

Deadly is about 5% more damage

Sometimes worth it sometimes not

A lot of warriors are queuing now and you should prob run deadly with them, at least that’s how I’ve been doing it

[olive light]

I’ve been liking shadow dance a lot better than echoing rep as sin

[gleaming pawn]

Dance is huge for Sin, people hate on it irrationally

[jolly sierra]

cuz sub

[gleaming pawn]

45sec 3 x slightly stronger finishers | 1min snap shotted Kingsbane, and snap shotted empowered garrotes to anything in range

there's literally no math there

[mystic shoal]

someone screenshot the shadowdance sin build

I want to fuck around w some Sin

in solo shuffle

[olive light]

Should we just macro kingsbane and shadow dance together lol

[gleaming pawn]

short answer, yes

you have kill windows every minute with Dance+Kingsbane

[tribal badger]

wouldnt do that personally because you might not always want to send kingsbane as the first gcd of ur dance

but its probably not the worst thing in the world

[gleaming pawn]

that's the longer answer lol

[tribal badger]

you might wanna dance > cheap insta for instance so the enemy doesnt have a gcd to peel you

[wary spire]

I placed kb on the same button as sd on the stealth bar.

So if needed can just mash it.

[worthy crag]

so do ppl use kb for the initial hit or the dot?

[gleaming pawn]

yes

[olive light]

We don’t need a special macro for that right? As long as /cast shadow dance is first then the following /cast kingsbane will benefit from the dmg buff/crit chance?

[gleaming pawn]

correct, Dance is off the gcd and applies the damage amp instantly

#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/use 14
/cast Kingsbane

14 is the bottom trinket slot

but could be 13 if you prefer

whichever slot you have your Badge equipped in

[chrome schooner]

It ends up being unnoticeable mostly because the effect stops triggering below 150 so your energy isn't actually drained more.

[chrome schooner]

I have never spammed as much as this season

Feels like infinite energy with almost no haste

[waxen meteor]

First 90 seconds indeed like infinite energy

[wary spire]

Hm. And even if you're peeled you're still doing dam.

[chrome schooner]

Even after because you're supposed to spend time in CC, time kiting, etc etc, and you don't overlap while doing so, unlike in the past

[wary spire]

Hope we'll get the stealth fix though.

[gleaming pawn]

Fair, most likely a skill issue on my part not having enough bleeds on targets. I know from pve though you have to be careful as your target count drops and I’m not always as judicious about bleeding up and keeping them rolling on 2-3 people

[chrome schooner]

Ah, if you end up in a pure ST situation yes, you end up out of steam

But Assa wants to force those multi target situations !

[chrome schooner]

We haven't for the entirety of S2, I have somewhat lost hope

I know Realz was in the channel earlier

[gleaming pawn]

While you’re here Shade, are you running hemotoxin and wound poison? Feels like a waste this season over running some other pvp talent, or running deadly/hemotoxin

[chrome schooner]

So maybe making him aware that they designed a talent that makes A ROGUE SPEC UNABLE TO STEALTH would be nice

But I don't really want to ping, I'm sure he's already bothered by many

[main cove]

did shadowstrike stop shadowstepping in pvp?

[wary spire]

Sudden demise appearantly breaks stealth too. Bad that's obviously rarely relevant in pvp.

[gleaming pawn]

Are you referring to the combat issue with Sanguine Blades? He already fixed it. Just waiting for the next hot fix

[chrome schooner]

I run Wound, and never Hemotoxin unless it is really really free 'cause nothing else is worth

[wary spire]

For real?

I thought he was just gathering Intel.

Sweet if true.

[chrome schooner]

Already as in today or ... ? 'cause yesterday it was still keeping me in combat.

[gleaming pawn]

Good to know thanks! I’ve been going back and forth trying to justify it both ways

He said it’s fixed internally, but with Thanksgiving it won’t get pushed to the servers until at least next week

[chrome schooner]

Oh I see

Well

[gleaming pawn]

Same with the shadowed finishers bug for Sub

[chrome schooner]

It took them only 6 months since it was the exact same bug with the exact same behavior with the 2P last season

[wary spire]

Cool.

[chrome schooner]

Who am I to complain

[exotic dove]

At least they reacted quick with a perma talent (at least long term) quickly enough

[chrome schooner]

Yes

It is better than last season treatment for sure

Improvement, we may say !

[wary spire]

It was horrible time, I agree. While rogue were in the oven feels like nothing was fixed on live server.

For half a year.

[gleaming pawn]

I don’t know what changed internally but Realz has been absolutely crushing it. So happy he is the rogue dev. And for those still salty about rogue pvp balance, that has nothing to do with Realz. He designs the class/specs but has nothing to do with pvp nerfs and spell modifiers. Pretty sure he doesn’t even have input on the pvp talents

[chrome schooner]

PvP balance and class balance are very different indeed

I also think Rogue rework were overall great

The one thing that bothers me still is the fact that Assassination is the only spec with zero defensive enhancement as a spec

[exotic dove]

I as well I like how Sub and Assa are now

[chrome schooner]

Every spec in the game has major or minor defensives that are unique to the spec

Except assa

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah true

[jolly sierra]

that is the thing left me so mad

[exotic dove]

yeah Assa could use some defensive love

[chrome schooner]

It takes everything from the class tree, then other specs have more

[gleaming pawn]

Could really use some love in the defensive department

[jolly sierra]

i asked like crazy in rework

[chrome schooner]

And because they made such a good job with outlaw

[jolly sierra]

to get some fucking defensive

[chrome schooner]

And it now has sustained + burst

[gleaming pawn]

Feint is not a good defensive no matter how much they try to push elusiveness

[chrome schooner]

There is actually no real reason to play Assa over Outlaw in high rating

Because the specs are basically similar but one dies and the other does not

A shame

[exotic dove]

Maybe Assa into warrior ret? I noticed people saying that outlaw struggles into those classes but yeah I agree.

[gleaming pawn]

Assa struggles too because they just get ran tf over 🙂

Outlaw just struggles to do meaningful damage through the plate armor

[exotic dove]

I only said that cause its looks like the Rdruid Assa Aff lock team on NA seemed to do really well but not sure how they are doing now

[gleaming pawn]

Maybe because lock is more important to focus? Not sure, but a lock spec left alone to free cast is a quick way to lose

[stoic spruce]

I disagree because outlaw is already starting to fall off into plate and it's probably going to get much more emphasized as people get geared.

But defensive wise yeah I'd agree

It's looking like it's going to be a melee meta again

[gleaming pawn]

We’ll see how AWC shakes out. If there’s little to no Rogue rep, or the ones that do run rogue get dumpstered, maybe we’ll see some Rogue buffs

[languid burrow]

for the assass out there what are you doing for second embellishment? besides boots?

[wary moss]

I was literally about to ask the same thing lol

[languid burrow]

I heard good things about the verdant one but not sure if thats only good for outlaw or all 3 specs

[jolly sierra]

verdant tho

is good

[harsh sigil]

Would anyone know why my shadowstrike is just stabbing people from 20 yards away and not teleporting me to them?

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah verdant is probably the only real option. Everything else sucks and you won’t stay healthy enough for the blue linen to have much uptime at all

[still grail]

yeah same happens to me

[gleaming pawn]

It’s a bug, dev is working on it

[still grail]

might just be intended now

[harsh sigil]

Ahhh, glad to hear they're at least working on it, cause it's kind of a big problem. Really, really missing having infinite gap closers atm

Nah, it's straight just acting like a 30 yarded ranged attack

yard*

[topaz delta]

as assa in pvp, do you guys run wound poison or deadly?

[olive light]

Wound, unless playing with a warr then I switch to deadly

[wary moss]

Signet of Titanic Insight

Seems okay

[wary moss]

It's a bug... they still haven't fixed the recuperate bug for assassin yet either

[olive light]

What’s the recup bug

[wary moss]

The first SnD gives you health back but if you extend it with envenom you get no health gain

Past the orginal time

[languid burrow]

hmm since i used my verdant trophy to craft boots, I need to use a greater one and prob use it on chest piece is the reagant the verdant conduit? I see everyone on murlok.io using the blue linen instead tho

[surreal barn]

We probably should have mentioned that to realz yesterday lol

[gleaming pawn]

Someone did, I don’t remember who but it was mentioned. I think it made it onto his list but I’m not sure

[proven kayak]

Bro waiting in solo shuffle is quite better than random healers in lfg I did 11-0 and he left in our first lose

Healers are such boosted animals

[gleaming pawn]

Well they have near instant queues, and don’t lose mmr from leaving so most don’t care and will just rage quit to save their mmr

It’s a shit system, but oh well

[wary moss]

Healers are annoying af in solo sometimes... just today I had a MW trying to tell us what we are doing wrong but he was the one with the least amount of rounds won

[olive light]

So many healers aren’t used to being trained at lower mmrs that I’ve been putting them in the dirt with switches

[gleaming pawn]

Yep, it’s often really easy to catch say a MW or Disc once they have thrown out Cocoon/Pain Sup/Life Swap and just kill them

*at lower ratings

[olive light]

Disc is notorious with void swap. If they void swap out in the open without a trinket then kidney gg

[jolly sierra]

ask fucking disc to use dome

when u die

lol

[marsh ridge]

should we push for 4pc as Sub Rogue or get the weps?

[worthy crag]

dont think 4pc is worth on sub

[jolly sierra]

i refuse to believe

sanguine blades is that good

dammit hits hard af

[waxen meteor]

It’s good for opening

[jolly sierra]

this KB gave my match when my sham healer was about to die

good shit

[sharp sierra]

where do you get the 2100 illusion?

[jolly sierra]

in ur collections tab

where are the weapons, in a little circle

[stable urchin]

can outlaw work with mm hunter in 3s?

[swift furnace]

guys do we know if finality is fixed in pvp yet?

[wary spire]

In foreseeable future finality's finally fixed, fax.

[swift furnace]

is that a meme or something? did they announce it will be fixed or na?

[halcyon timber]

Finality is nerfed in pvp too, it works just tuned down like everything else. Shadowed finishers will work soon though as our dev said he checked it out .

Shadowstrike and other rogue bugs along with recuperator are also on his radar to be fixed.

[swift furnace]

ty

[halcyon timber]

Yes sir no sweat

[marsh ridge]

<thank you

[rigid fox]

Guide says i should go vers/mastery as outlaw but all the top players are going for vers/crit?

[mystic shoal]

Outdated, vers crit

No more mastery stacking

But some players do bc it good sin/sub and decent for outlaw. But your crit gives you huge BTEs during your crackshot windows which is a good chunk of ur damage

[wintry dew]

Is there any reasoning on getting crafted headpiece vers mast since there is one for conquest?

probably just save CP?

[frank citrus]

honestly they should punish all healers for a season or two just to teach them some manners

[cursive umbra]

didnt people just craft head to get the initial ilvl-boost (since you got the verdant trophies from the leaflet/first victory box)

so its kinda a "free" item

and you dont want head for 4-set anyway

[wintry dew]

yep yep

just crafted it

[stable urchin]

should i consume pistol shot charges after bte during sutberfug e/stealth windows if i play greenskin ? or just ambush/bte

[sharp sierra]

which spec is currently the best for 2s/ss

[teal imp]

hey, is there a known bug that sometimes bte doesnt go off?

or is that a problem on my side?

[proven kayak]

I crafted engineer helmet

[jolly sierra]

crafted a belt to keep my buckler and use the embelishment

[wary spire]

Tempted to craft full vers engi helm.

[maiden gull]

Outlaw feels worse and worse every day

[wary spire]

Such is life.

[jolly sierra]

the cope was high with assa for reset

and i was laughing hard last night w the dmg

ppl was just delusional bout the nerf

[surreal barn]

I did lol

Bear in mind you can’t use the embellishment on it iirc

I thought you could when I crafted it

[vocal surge]

Aura of Reckoning rn

is super unfair and unfun to play against

[jolly sierra]

wings goes brrrrrrrrrr

[rustic raptor]

is dismantle worth taking into dh or dk, i know dk can still death coil you, but how effective is it vs taking other talents

[wary spire]

Can't dh remove disarm with its backflip?

[jolly sierra]

with dk it is

cuz they will avoid healing

dh will just backflip and dispell

[rustic raptor]

ah ok

of course they can do that lmao

[steel skiff]

As is tradition. Still not sure why they thought removing armor pen from the only purely physical rogue spec in the game was a good idea, but here we are

[vocal surge]

I'd be down for a talent t hat allows us to apply armor reduction on the target

that scales with our attack power stat

Im talking Flat Armor reduction

rather than Armor % reduction

[jolly sierra]

add expose armor back as passive and its done

[vocal surge]

Because atm

Armor be increasing a lot

[jolly sierra]

ye i know

[vocal surge]

and with plate armor having the most damage reduction for us

it feels near impossible to do damage to em

unless our damage turns from Physical to Non-physical

[wary spire]

Is sub the only one who feels good vs arms?

[strange stag]

Guys, what's the most ideal step by step burst for no trinket enemy? As sub

[sharp sierra]

2h 23 min queues for solo as sub lol

my god is this game dying

[jolly sierra]

since like 10 years ago

[sharp sierra]

healers dont wanna play

when you go 3-3 you lose mmr and you waste time

and when the dps sucks its kinda impossible to carry them 1 round more

[rustic raptor]

34 min que at 1715 rn lol

why am i doing this to myself

[jolly sierra]

1k7 mmr and 5m q

[waxen meteor]

I am completely fine with 3dps or 2dps solo queue

[waxen meteor]

For me, 4 stack vein, 7cp, kidney shadow duel; open trinket, dance, symbol and shadow blade then evis with 2 cp returned + first dance 4cp; bite; cb St/evis; ss; evis

If you don’t have shadow blade cd, just add a SS after bite before ST

Depends on how many cp you stored from shadow tech

[mystic shoal]

what poisons to use as sin

also do we use hemotoxin still? and does it stack wound or override? or is it useless

[wintry dew]

if 2 poisons, cripling + wound. If 4, crip, wound, deadly, bonus one

[jolly sierra]

i use hemo + deadly

[waxen meteor]

My kingsbane tool tip says the tik boosts by 20% per deadly tik

Does it work also with wound trigger

[sharp sierra]

guys do you know what to do to get my last half for 2nd spark?

someone said there is catchup but ive played countless of matches since reset and nothing dropped

[waxen meteor]

Not sure

I maxed spark every week

There’s half from main quest

[sharp sierra]

i did that

[surreal barn]

I finally got mine from a quest

Was in the same boat as you

[waxen meteor]

The quest is actually quite short if you do it right

But if u used the reputation item early then you had to do another 6 quests issue

I have a bunch of the reputation item saved in my bag, so each week I got the half spark right away

[sharp sierra]

same

oh my god i just had to turn in a quest in the meerald dream hub "dreams unified" wtf

[surreal barn]

Yup 😂

[boreal fossil]

hiiii guys! how the people is craftin this weeek the helmet? i cant get another dream spark this or i dont know how to do it

[jolly sierra]

week 0 gave 2 shards

last week 1

this week another one

[dark kernel]

Hey Friends, does anyone have the Dev tweet or details regarding them acknowleding the sub bugs

[wintry dew]

he was here yesterday or 2 days ago

[maiden gull]

Pair that with the complete unnecessary Nerf of crackshot and Here WE are. Just played some 2s and warri/dh have 80k dps but better nerf Outlaw. Blizzard is so clueless

Just make pistol shot and BTE fire Damage via PvP Talent or smth and done

or just baseline, won´t affect pve afaik

but mark my words: next balancing we will get pve nerfs which will translate to pvp

[steel skiff]

I legit think the devs see Sub as the “pvp spec”, and that’s why it gets the best toolkit. The other 2 specs are window dressing, which may be why shadowdance is suddenly mandatory for all 3 specs

[olive light]

Sin feels pretty good atm

[maiden gull]

sin is boring af imho

outlaw has the most fun gameplay loop out of all classes for me

but warri and DH are so much easier and do everything better

[steel skiff]

Sin is doing decently, but lacks all the defensives sub has…if you gave sin some legit defensives and gave outlaw armor pen, things would look a lot more even

[maiden gull]

maybe 10.2.5 but pvp will be dead by then anyways

in shuffle its only warri,dk, dh, ret

in 2s the same, and 3v3 no clue

[steel skiff]

PvP has been on life support for a long while now, hence the fotm specs and absurdly long queue times.

[tribal badger]

i mean pvp has been on life support since it was introduced to the game

i think pvps been more alive with solo shuffle this expac then anytime ive ever played the game

idk why people think long queue times r an indication of it being dead and not an indication of how few people wanna heal

[steel skiff]

Dunno, maybe I’m wrong

[proven kayak]

Is sub bugs ever getting fucking fixed ?

[tribal badger]

the devs r atl east aware of them now

so whenever the next bugfixes get pushed probably

[vocal surge]

Ironically enough even if Crackshot didn't get nerfed and actually had Dispatch deal 100% damage instead

We'd fall off by the time everyone has full Verdant Gladiator

That's how unnecessary the nerf to Outlaw is

[safe pelican]

Agreed this is the most PVP love sin has had in a while still rolling sub till i die die but about to try sin on my alt Sub resets are just life

I’d uninstall if they took out double vanish lmao

[halcyon timber]

Creeping anti stealth class mechanics are high too . Way easier to prevent resets now than previous expansions

[vocal surge]

You know what else sucks?

[halcyon timber]

Yes soon, its in queue we were told

[vocal surge]

The higher the ilvl diff is between you and your target

the more effective their armor is against you

so if you're slightly behind, they get a fat armor damage reduction boost

[halcyon timber]

Yep as attacks are based on item lvl + versatility + lvl of player in the big ass armor equation they use that took over years ago

[vocal surge]

My paladin has 37.14% damage reduction vs physical damage

with full greens

and Blessing of Dusk

[halcyon timber]

With SP? (Sanc plates)

[vocal surge]

alongside 19.05% damage reduction from versatility

Yep

with Sanctified Plates

Just imagine being Outlaw

trying to get past

[halcyon timber]

Lord

[vocal surge]

all of that damage reduction

[halcyon timber]

Wonder what druids are at in dire bear form

[vocal surge]

or better yet

imagine fighting warriors

with 20% more armor

[halcyon timber]

Warr with d stance

And armed to the teeth i think it is?

Its ok, they buffed mages to offset rogue nerfs as always

[vocal surge]

Armored to the Teeth increases their main stat

by 10% of their armor

[halcyon timber]

Ah nvm

Thought it was opposite

F em anyway

[vocal surge]

Imagine fighting a warrior

with baseline 12405 armor

w. the 20% more armor talent

adding another 1,244.8 armor

because of main stat

actually

scratch that

that's main stat

[halcyon timber]

Pepper ridge farm remembers when agility gave armor / ap / dodge

[vocal surge]

they're literally getting a ton of main stat

for existing

[halcyon timber]

Seen any of that axe yet from the raid?

[vocal surge]

Nope

[halcyon timber]

Im sure some gorilla has it by now

[vocal surge]

Which one?

[halcyon timber]

What is ambush and crackshot doing into plate these days

Dunno figured a warrior would have it by now

[vocal surge]

Ambush and Crackshot does effectively half damage

vs plate

and thats without any of their defensives up

[halcyon timber]

Lord

[vocal surge]

Imagine dealing almost 51% damage to someone in regular honor gear

and it gets worse as they get more armor and versatility

[halcyon timber]

Yeah

There is a goofy crafted chest piece too i think

For plate

[vocal surge]

also imagine trying to fight through folks with Flourishing Dream Helm

which is a better Sporecloak atm

[halcyon timber]

Not familiar with that item . What’s that nonsense?

Oh

I see

Yeah man

That’s the item i meant, not a chest piece

[vocal surge]

But ye

What really ticked my gear

is not being able to punish this pally

for playing horrible

Because of their innately high armor

lad plays like he's 600

but is rated 1900

[halcyon timber]

Mist weavers are annoying af too

[vocal surge]

Lays on Hands intense burst

[halcyon timber]

Homeboy turns and tab targets eh?

[vocal surge]

and dies when im on his team because DK does non physical and BM does a mix of both

Dude runs down healer

and if healer doesnt die, the closest thing next to him

[halcyon timber]

Ret does both now no? Holystrike dmg?

[vocal surge]

Ye

Ret does both

[halcyon timber]

Just tab target tf out of stuff

[vocal surge]

And if he's on the enemy team, he also gets to have Permanent Wings

even with the 100 stacks requirement

he's getting 4 - 8 stacks a second

[halcyon timber]

Yeah ret consistently bursts

No idea what cds mean to them anymore

[vocal surge]

Aura of Reckoning goo brrr

because of the lack of a GCD in it

[halcyon timber]

Gotta be fair to them man

Not nice mr rogue

“Ret hasn’t been good since cata “ - ret in shuffle

[vocal surge]

Ret was fun in Cata

having an angel fight next to you, it was peak class fantasy

[halcyon timber]

F em

[vocal surge]

ret in Legion+ is really boring class fantasy wise

Forgot Paladins also get Holy Aegis

which is 2% - 4% more armor depending on how many points are invested in it

[halcyon timber]

Yeh and divine wtf for 20% wall yeah?

They should of given them the leap and effed off w the 25. Yard range

[vocal surge]

30%

Divine Protection

[halcyon timber]

Good lord

[vocal surge]

With that up, Outlaw now does almost 1/3rd effective damage

[halcyon timber]

Great time to be alive

“We hear you rogues and we are buffing warlock in response “

[tawny kestrel]

this is my favorite place to come for terrible takes

[stoic spruce]

wdym

[uncut wedge]

does anyone know why im seeing this ilvl adjustment when crafting pvp boots?

im using a spark of dreams btw

https://i.imgur.com/C9sk0ui.png

it reads 424 at the bottom, is that correct?

[tawny kestrel]

people here always have this agenda or whatever that rogue is terrible

when rogue hasnt been bad in fucking ages

the last time rogue was bad it was for a month or something cus ret was overtuned

[stoic spruce]

well they were talking about outlaw

[tawny kestrel]

and outlaw is good

[stoic spruce]

into anything thats not plate yeah

even then, its okay

its night and day

[tawny kestrel]

cant be good into everything

but ye u do a lot less dmg vs plate ofc

doesnt mean outlaw is bad

its just a common theme in here, even if rogue is the best class in the game u have ppl saying rogue sucks

[stoic spruce]

if outlaw did damage into plate, it still wouldnt be good into everything

[tawny kestrel]

rogue is just harder to play well than other classes

so u have to be a bit better

if rogue was tuned to be good if u are a 1200 player then the top rogue players would run over everyone

[stoic spruce]

I dont think anyone actually said outlaw was bad

just that they wanted some sort of armor pen so it doesnt fall off into obscurity later in the season

[fossil sierra]

is the weapon illusion for season 3 still shadowflame? wowhead says it is but idk if its a placeholder or not

[waxen meteor]

Game is dead, I did 3 skirmish in a row with same person without queue together and against same two people

Just kidding, I guess black friday is just not a lot of people

[safe pelican]

Elaborate? Unless im caught with no trinket i haven’t had an issue but then again you gotta play like you don’t have a reset when you don’t

[stoic spruce]

you get knocked from stealth from a lot of things that shouldnt knock from stealth

like mw and the healing totem. some sort of interaction

statue*

[waxen meteor]

in arena it's less common

but in world map i got hit out from stealth for no reason 247

[stoic spruce]

id say its common but not as common yeah

wpvp you just randomly get out sometimes

[tawny kestrel]

its not

[proven kayak]

That’s a concept people refuse to accept

[tawny kestrel]

ye ik

[waxen meteor]

i guess i will stop queue

45 mins

nothing pops

[proven kayak]

Good thing with this is when you win as a rogue feels always better

[stoic spruce]

its your fault

[proven kayak]

Queues are dreading

[waxen meteor]

black friday

no body plays

everybody shopping

i just came back home and tried to relax

[stoic spruce]

yeah and YOURE the reason its black friday

[waxen meteor]

ha?

[proven kayak]

On a normal day is 30 mins

[waxen meteor]

i am not even queue with rogue

[halcyon timber]

warlock stuff, divine toll homing in on you, earthen grasp totem (always has), list goes on and on etc. It's whatever.

[full ferry]

had to come back to the daddy class

[boreal fossil]

i think i missed one in the first week, is there any way to recover the missing one?

i have only a half of dream spark this week

and dont know where to get the four

should be posibble get one if u missed

[sharp sierra]

did u get ur half from the rep quest? for me it was the quest turn in of the fairy NPC at the emerald hub .. after I tried to farm PvP wins for hours to get a splinter

[steel skiff]

When outlaw players ask for armor pen

[jolly sierra]

if u got 3 from either malicia or activities then u missed the one which moonberry gaves on emerald dream via a quest

[stoic spruce]

Lmaoo so true

[safe pelican]

Now that totem was an issue first week ngl & warlock is auto disqualified they need the most nerf rn lol

Gouging before vanish has been my remedy for the divine toll , totems def got some sting though if you don’t have trinket or cloak

[halcyon timber]

yep root totem will go through cloak along with other dots as well though. Reapplication of warlock dots maybe through soul swap or something and DK diseases have definitely gone through cloak as well.

totem will root you on vanish as well, it's whatever though. Trigger happy team mates screw you over the most though on stuff like gouge the most though.

[stoic spruce]

Dk can epidemic you out of stealth if you don't cloak vanish

Unholy can

[halcyon timber]

Yep

[stoic spruce]

I wish frost was good

[safe pelican]

Lol beat Pika on his mage tonight good way to end the night 😆

[stoic spruce]

you have peaked

he fat fingered an ability and it wont happen again

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-false-thats-not-true-thats-wrong-untrue-neil-degrasse-gif-14476557

[languid burrow]

in 2s i can barely beat warlocks, any tips? specially demo. as assas

[waxen meteor]

Demo lock with priest is like 1m HP now

[scenic mulch]

DR is after 12 seconds right? so thats like 2 or 3 stuns?

trying to figure out how to do the rogue stun so i don't overstun 😮

[stoic spruce]

I thought it was 18

[scenic mulch]

also am i the only one who doesn't like crimson vial? i kinda prefered the old recuperate ability rogues had back then

[vocal surge]

Recuperator on the talent tree works like the old recuperator

except old recuperator required combo points to get a long lasting healing effect

and current recuperator only requires Slice and Dice

[stoic spruce]

recup sucks

:(

[midnight bough]

shuffle is so fun

[simple crest]

do double everyone elses damage, ccing the crap out of the healer and everything a rogue can, still go 2/4. it would be faster to farm herbs and ore until my fingers bleed and buy a carry for the warstrider than trying it legit.

[sharp sierra]

I have 1m with priest as rogue too

[outer sky]

Are rogues good in arena right now? if so, which spec is best?

[stoic spruce]

They're all pretty good

Outlaw is still rather reliant on coms

[jolly sierra]

found nahj in outdoor for a WQ in this week and assblasted him in a party (i know i would die alone but was fun to see)

[stoic spruce]

I beat the snot put of Supa on his balance druid during ptr one season

[jolly sierra]

heh

[stoic spruce]

Also

I think Aug is dead

[jolly sierra]

finally

fucking augvokers

[stoic spruce]

I agree

However

I fucked up

Remember my Alt-Picker 3000?

Well he got Aug

[stable urchin]

are there any uptodate sub guides?

[serene anchor]

is there any order in which to buy conq gear

[jolly sierra]

O O F

[proven kayak]

Morning PvP healer blames for low dmg I proceed to do 5-1

Healers are animals

He say I do low dmg while we play long game vs war boomie and bm hunter I mean they suppose to do more dmg

Healers are all 400 cr more peaked than their actual skill leve

[stoic spruce]

But did you do low dmg?

[jolly sierra]

happened the same to me once

healers ironically are the more toxic players in SS

[proven kayak]

But I’m supposed to do less than a warrior and bm hunter

[vocal latch]

yo question about pvp gear, can i just upgrade my embelished boots or do i have to craft em new?

[uneven grove]

poor monks didn't even make it on the meme

[proven kayak]

You can upgrade em

[sharp sierra]

is it ret patch all over again?

dh has 40% representation at 2400 shuffle xd

[jolly sierra]

u can but sometimes its cheaper to do it again instead upgrading them

unless is a belt w enchant, then u can consider upgrading it

[vocal latch]

thank u for the info!

[jolly sierra]

u welcome

[stoic spruce]

No problem

[sharp sierra]

if i press between the eyes with blade flurry up, does the dmg on a 2nd target of BtE show as BtE or as blade flurry in details?

[nova viper]

yoooooo

[nova viper]

sexooooooooo

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOO

[hybrid rapids]

As sin is it better to focus down just one enemy, or dot pressure and all 3?

[wary moss]

I try to get rupture on atleast 2 targets for the scent of blood buff

[wary moss]

WW burst is pretty crazy right now. I got railed with a 315k rising sun kick yesterday lol

[uneven grove]

yeah this meme probably for pve, just saw it and found it funny as hell WWs are strong overall in the last seasons in pvp but awful in pve for years now

[jolly sierra]

pressure both dps if healer isnt the target

so u can gouge him

[nimble sorrel]

hello guys I have a little question I'm new on wow and trying to pvp but I don't have gear so what talent should I use and if you have any suggestion pls tell me what should I do (sorry for bed england xd)

[jolly sierra]

get honor gear from epic bgs and pick talents from murlok.io

[proven kayak]

Which race you think is ideal for outlaw not that matters that much but if you had to choose what it would be

[sharp sierra]

nelf

[wary moss]

Nelf always best rogue race

[safe pelican]

Haha it’s the best dopamine release beating a streamer doesn’t matter what game it is

Pika still my boi 4L & Nahj is solid gotta watch him soon been busy these days with work

[jolly sierra]

pandaren

[hybrid rapids]

Which is better off hand another glad dagger or the hellbloom one?

[jolly sierra]

optimally? u can get a crafted dagger with aspect crests to full ilvl and versa mastery

[hybrid rapids]

Does that also apply for main hand?

[safe pelican]

I running double glad rn for the + vers, you’ll be able to make the mastery up elsewhere once fully geared or craft one for desired like mage said

[jolly sierra]

just off

[proven kayak]

I crafted engineer helmet I’m a mastery bomb

[safe pelican]

I’m trying to craft mine but apparently I need to complete a questline before I get the weekly quest

Anybody know what quest line I need to complete to get the weekly quest is it the dragon flight or do i need to run through the emerald dream quest line a bit ?? I hate PVE but if anyone knows lmk plz need dat gear

[hybrid rapids]

Is there an optimal buy order for conquest gear?

Or just buy whatever has mastery?

[wintry dew]

Dagger prio

[hybrid rapids]

Already have main hand so unsure if I should get the second one

Since I'm not familiar with crafting/alternate options cause pretty new to the game

[wintry dew]

After that, some people go for ring and items with mastery. Keep in mind we can get wpvp gear with mastery boosted aswell

Like belt, back, wrists etc

[hybrid rapids]

So main then ring/items with mastery while waiting for vault to give set pieces is that correct?

[wintry dew]

Could be. If you get to 1600 and get free tier token, you could go for pants + wpvp gloves catalized into tier so you could get 2/4 fast.
But if you don't want to waste a charge on a non maxed pvp item, wait for gloves to drop from vault or something

[wary moss]

I got a tier piece doing a raid.

Would you say the having the 2 set is better than using a pvp scaling item?

For assassination and are shoulders

[wintry dew]

PvE < PvP

[wary moss]

That's what I figured. Thanks

[wintry dew]

Because you losing a bunch of pvp ILVL

[jolly sierra]

just wait for the eng bracers and u will be an atomic bomb

[proven kayak]

Tbh I bought the PvP pants setless for sub seems better

Also I was kinda unlucky with vault so I wasted first week strifes to@gloves they didn’t upgrade to set but got the gloves from vault and I upgrade them for the ilvl

[wintry dew]

Most people I saw were getting pants from free token

And gloves from wpvp upgrades, then catalyzed for quick 2 set week1

[jolly sierra]

i risked w the ret a chestpiece from the vault by turning it into tier

because i lacked the gear for pvp, just had shoulders, boots and wep as epic

need the stats 100%

my rog has legs, gloves, boots, belt, wep and cloak as epic

so imagine

and both are used actively

[wintry dew]

Mine rn has 3set, got pvp tier chest from vauly

So next week I could go 4 tier

[jolly sierra]

u are ahead, next week u will have 4 yeah

can get 1k6 w rog this week tho

[wintry dew]

Got gloves chest shoulders and will get pants next week hopefully

[jolly sierra]

but work is beating me hard w sleep times

[wintry dew]

F

You got this mate

[jolly sierra]

sure i am

i cheated the tier legs w malicia

to get the ilvl and bonus

and vault helped w tier gloves so

[safe pelican]

How I did my gear so far :

If you have the time get the bloody token get gear first for the baseline mastery boost over honor gear ,

• 1600+ for token , grab pants
• got mastery Shoulders from vault , make 2 set
• farm conquest for both daggers
• honor mastery neckane with x3 mastery zen gems
• Everything else is bloody token gear unless honor gear had more mastery ,
• going for rings next hoping to get gloves from vault & craft your life bound cap or goggles with the weekly pvp quest I’ve got to complete a quest line for my trophy to craft but that’s how i went about it sitting around 1700 in 2’s

[wintry dew]

i dont think we need double conq dagger

atleast i dont feel like it is an improvement VS other items

[safe pelican]

I’m trying it out was going to get the mastery off hand but my partner told me get the dagger , but will buy the off hand mastery next time I have some conq to spare

[jolly sierra]

ur partner messed the things a little tho

u could get some ring or heavy stamina piece w that lol

[safe pelican]

You prolly right I’m in too deep now lol 😂

[jolly sierra]

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-rain-gif-23391878

[hard garnet]

Alright brothers, starting my grind tonight. Is sub still best for ss? Build? Thank you.

I will be using pve heroic 4pc

[wintry dew]

Sub is a bit bugged atm

[spring bough]

so im in the new raid and this assassin rogue had kingsbane crit for 1.2 million

imagine yall could get that in solo lmao id be switching up like i always played sin XD

[wary moss]

Even when they fix sub, I'll probably stay sin. I'm having a really good time with the spec

[hybrid rapids]

What's the bug about?

[wintry dew]

Shadowstrike doesnt teleport you

thats the main one for me

[waxen meteor]

And finisher 30% shadow dmg is not there in most cases

[golden tusk]

What healer goes well with sub in 2s?

[hard garnet]

Build for ss?

[proven kayak]

Prolly disc

[topaz delta]

boys, is 4p worth using as assa? seems garbage for sub

[jolly sierra]

the multiglad which makes the main guides for assa said sure

[topaz delta]

who is that

[jolly sierra]

shadenox, the last time we asked him

[vocal latch]

anyone else struggling with energy as sub during dances? got used too much to the prior 2 set

i just came back after 2 weeks. prob just need to get used to it, muscle memory is not helping tho

[hard garnet]

Can anyone please share assassination build for ss with 4pc?

[thorn pond]

If you run the build without tea yea it needs some getting used to

But with deeper Strat the damage feels better even if you have some energy starving sometimes

[potent pivot]

who

[potent pivot]

should be able to check murlok.io

i'll have the faq updated if not this weekend, sometime this week i hope

[hard garnet]

Thank you @potent pivot

We all appreciate you.

[potent pivot]

thanks

[gleaming pawn]

we should also compile an outstanding list of bugs

so the next time Realz drops by for a visit, we can point him to it

[potent pivot]

feel free to DM me any bugs

if you can provide some sort of in-game example, that would be great as well

i already know about sub strike bug, and the shadow dmg on finishers

[jolly sierra]

sanguine blades keeping in combat is another one

[potent pivot]

yh i've seen that one as well

is the new "exsang" talent working properly in combination with DM?

i know exsang+DM wasn't working properly for a time last season, not sure if they ever fixed that one

[jolly sierra]

dunno, didnt paid attention to that tbh

remember it just multiplies the dmg now

[potent pivot]

ye

ill test out a bunch of stuff when i get a chance

have barely had time to play past few weeks

[jolly sierra]

i barely slept now

xdd

but will need to cap asap

[mystic shoal]

whats the opener for assa rn

playing kb + ap + sudden demise

trying to figure out how to maximize the value of kingsbane

[proven kayak]

You self answer here

[sharp pumice]

Very much not the expert but I'd just say have an active snd & envenom rolling for sure

And try to use it when you know you can maintain contact

[wet crown]

anyone streaming outlaw rss just so I can see how it works out lol

[surreal barn]

Shiv amps it up

[jolly sierra]

shiv + shadow dance

got a 300k KB like 1 hour ago in SS

[sharp pumice]

Oh you mean to do damage amps near the end of it? Yeah of course

Whole idea behind ap and shit

[sweet rampart]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/subtlety-rogue-pvp-talents-and-builds why the build is called the rotten despite not picking the talent?

[cosmic seal]

heya
with 4P , will outlaw be better than sin in RSS / 3s ?

[livid gale]

vien

[steel scarab]

Hi friends! Quick and dirty question

How can I tell if my gf has a set bonus upgrade available?

This game does a terrible job at making upgrades for semi-casual people obvious and accessible.

I'm assuming we should get her the 2 piece set bonus for Holy paladin asap, since she got a free set piece from her vault

[proven kayak]

You get a catalyst charge every 2 weeks you can get an item with conq or strife tokens go to catalyst and upgrade it

The item has to be helmet chest shoulder legs or hands

[steel scarab]

Gotcha. Am I wrong that the game doesn't like, notify you of when this happens? Like

[proven kayak]

Yes doesn’t notify you

[steel scarab]

With a quest, or an item in the currency tab, to let you know it's available?

[proven kayak]

I’m not sure if it’s a currency but I think it’s not

[steel scarab]

Am I wrong that this is pretty astonishingly bad design for people who aren't actively browsing online forums?

[proven kayak]

I mean it’s common knowledge ye it’s not new player friendly but it is what it is

[steel scarab]

Don't get me wrong, I think it's absolutely wonderful the devs are putting this catch-up mechanic in place. But like

Tell your playerbase

every 2 weeks, maybe like a notification quest upon login: hey! Go get your new thing!

Something, anything

[proven kayak]

I agree but the system is old they suppose everyone knows it

[steel scarab]

Right but, say I got a friend into the game this season

How would they know about it

[proven kayak]

Yeah wow isn’t the most new player friendly anw

[steel scarab]

It seems like a relatively easy fix:

1. a text based quest popup that says "hey, you get a set piece upgrade every 2 weeks, heads up!"

2. a currency in your currency tab that denotes when it's ready so people don't have to fly out to Tyrhold to check to see if they have one available

[hybrid rapids]

Hey chat for assa is it better to use thistle tea - trinket - deathmark or the order for all 3 of them doesn't really matter?

Also de we use shadow dance before kingsbane? This is all regarding burst window cause really unsure

[pliant mauve]

Total nub here. Do assa rogues typically open with cheap shot on the kill target is that generally more of an off target thing and instead use kidney on kill target?

[potent pivot]

if you're running tea you want to use it for the energy

[hybrid rapids]

But isnt the mastery boost good for the burst window too?

[potent pivot]

not really worth it in comparison no

[hybrid rapids]

Then it's not advised to use tea during burst, but my question remains is it trinket first then deathmark or the opposite?

[potent pivot]

which trinket?

just agi on use?

if so, then it doesn't really matter

[hybrid rapids]

Badge

[potent pivot]

yeh, whenever

[hybrid rapids]

Should I have gone for Insignia instead of badge? Or you mean just whenever I wanna burst

[gleaming pawn]

it's not exactly surprising, but 3s is really shit this season

23 matches, 4 were not some combination of Ret/DK/War/DH

[lusty lichen]

So i crafted 2 PvE Embelishments the first 2 weeks, im allowed to used 2 but can i craft 2 more for PvP? and use those 2 only in arenas/bgs?

[topaz delta]

anyone have the fix to show actual trinket usage for Gladius?

[potent pivot]

ye whenever you want to burst. it just isn't omega important if you press badge before or after pressing DM

but should still use badge whenever you get the chance since CD is different

[soft coral]

does outlaw still use offhand dagger or no

[tribal badger]

i mean u dont need to but technically its slightly better yes

and since theres a crit dagger id say ya we will this season

[soft coral]

cool thanks

[gritty heart]

guys do i need to earn new gear for assa or sub items are good thoo

[boreal widget]

is shadowstrike bugged in pvp? when i do it from stealth it does the damage and pulls me from stealth but it doesnt do the teleport?

[lucid citrus]

yesss it is bugged right now

[toxic yarrow]

Glad im not playing rouge then lol

[stoic spruce]

Same, I just play rogue instead.

[jolly sierra]

same, its going well in assa

im still amused for the fkn 300k KB i did to another assa in SS yesterday

[exotic comet]

Looking for a PVP guild, 70 sub rogue returning from a 7 year break lol.. Basically brand new again, spam queuing BGs. If anyone has any idea on a guild lmk

[jolly sierra]

we are from another regions and servers, its hard to find something like that here

[exotic comet]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention I’m US server. Are guilds server only? I’m a dumbass.

[jolly sierra]

yes

im from EU, other guys here in US are from tichondrius, illidan and shit like that

[sharp pumice]

Rouges are overpowdered

[jolly sierra]

rouge the bat

[wary spire]

Are dhs Sanics?

Wait no they're Knuckles coz of glide.

[jolly sierra]

shadows cuz too edgys

[stoic spruce]

Yall I had a dream I pinged and went off on Realz about DH lmaoo

Sorry realz if you see that

Not that sorry

Just a little

A smidgen

[twin burrow]

so were assa until sub is fixed?

[sharp pumice]

what's f'ed about sub now

[wary spire]

We're assa coz assa's cool

[jolly sierra]

how relevant was to u to even dream that XD

[stoic spruce]

The uptime on the amount of times I see "Immune" is extremely high

So very

[deft meteor]

new to rogue, is it normal for my bleeds / poisons to keep me in combat?

in PvP

[sharp pumice]

application yes, but no

should be able to re after no contact for.... is it 5 seconds still?

are you untargeting them?

[deft meteor]

strange, my garrot ticks in a BG put me back into combat

nope

maintaining target

[sharp pumice]

well, I tap escape a couple times to be sure

if you're still trying to autoattack (even if you do not connect)

you will remain in combat

[deft meteor]

just tested it again, making sure to be off auto attack

still happens

it is triggered by Sanguine Blades it seems, just tested it in a duel

no idea if it's intentional but it is very annoying 😮

[sharp pumice]

this is on a target dummy but I switched to sanguine blades

garrote, rupture, and sang on a dummy, still able to stealth

[deft meteor]

that is strange, i just tried on the PvP target dummy and it still prevents me stealthing

[exotic comet]

Hey guys, I’ve been doing a ton of research on BIS gear for sub rogues.. Why does Murlok.io say that the most commonly used off-hand wep is a mace? It obviously has more base damage, but doesn’t that prevent you from using shadow strike? Is it because shadow strike has been bugged?

[deft meteor]

here's a quick recording:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUJI2V7AJD0

[drowsy rampart]

anyone know how i can track DR:s with elvui?

[sharp pumice]

that's about 5 seconds before you can stealth

that looks correct

[deft meteor]

i'm still in combat nearly 20 seconds later 😛

[thorn pond]

You just need a dagger on the main hand to use your abilities. Then people use a « slow » off hand for stats or another dagger for more shadow technique procs

[deft meteor]

but it flickers in and out of combat, too

[deft meteor]

Same thing with rupture, stuck in combat for the entire duration :/

[halcyon timber]

sanguine blades is bugged until it is fixed soon. (Work in progress). Same with a few bugs we have been compiling here. It’s on their radar to be sorted.

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[jolly sierra]

are you using sanguine blades talent?

[deft meteor]

thanks, yup i'm using sanguine blades

that must be it

[jolly sierra]

if yes, then is for a bug

kk

[stoic spruce]

Dev knows. I think it's fixed internally.

[jolly sierra]

yesterday did arenas w a friend in 2s to get the cap

was easy af ngl

literal i said cmon just onr

one

we did, cheesy af

[stoic spruce]

Aug/Outlaw in 2s is so bad panda

[jolly sierra]

that bad? xddddd

[stoic spruce]

Sooo bad

[jolly sierra]

for a side im glad they turned bad

[stoic spruce]

For sure

[jolly sierra]

so dont need to deal w them anymore

in SS

[stoic spruce]

Exactly

But again we rolled and got random specs and a friend got aug

So

Lol rip ig

[jolly sierra]

OOF

try 3s w him in devoker

[stoic spruce]

Not a bad idea

Dev/outlaw/rsham

Hmm

Atleast we won't suffer into plate

[jolly sierra]

yep

its something

this guy to convince him to get a win was like

"im like 50 honor away from cap"

come w the lock will be ez af

he said "k, i trust u go"

funny af, first w the monk

the assa was exploded when i faced him

[cerulean shale]

I've been playing shuffle as outlaw and sub the past week, my damage done is trash at the end of most of my games; is it just a case of keep practicing and git gud or are the specs generally just lower on the damage? I feel like im having to play like a sweaty try hard to even match my team mates damage half the time, before I even consider peel, CC and so on. What gives 😅

[wary moss]

I'm usually first or second in damage playing sin

[cerulean shale]

I read similar on reddit about sin, will give it at try. It's also just me needing practice, need to better stay on my dps target and whatnot

first season playing rogue and I think I'm getting too focused on trying to peel, control, step > kick my focus etc

[wary moss]

Sin is the easiest to play imo so that should be helpful easing into it

How many sin players are on shadow dance btw?

I have been playing without it and going into resounding clarity instead.

How has dance been if you're playing it?

[jolly sierra]

shadowflame illusion?

ah no shadow dance

i do, its good af

it does trigger both lethality and MA

for juicy 300k kingsbanes

fuck i got crapped by a seagull

just bombed both my jacket and my phone REEEEEEE

[hybrid rapids]

What about Nightstalker? Does shadowdance apply that status?

[jolly sierra]

dunno if is fixed but i suppose

nightstalker was bugged in former patch

[sturdy dune]

we have a recommended embellishment after the boots?

[jolly sierra]

now i ripped my sandal when i was about to shower

red flag to play rated today

[wintry dew]

Y'all let me know when sub gets fixed

[frigid spade]

So how's sin and outlaw in arenas these days?

[halcyon timber]

yes Nightstalker works and snapshots things once again proplerly.

Survivor's bag of coins also works again as of today

using it right now as we speak

[exotic comet]

Can’t speak on those because I play sub 😅 Can anyone tell me how to get the BIS rogue boots? I’m having a hell of a time.

I understand they’re crafted. Is it an embellishment that allows the boots to have an on use effect? The embellishment that requires sparks?

[wintry dew]

the boots in question are these:

[exotic comet]

Yes!

How do I get the equip effect? By obtaining another spark and adding it to the embellishments tab?

[wintry dew]

The boots already have the embelishment, all you need to do is to craft them with a dream spark (s3 spark) and adding the pvp bonus item for the Ilevel:

[exotic comet]

You’re amazing. Is it the same for the head piece as well? One spark of dreams to create it, and one trophy to upgrade ilvl and it will have both on equip effects?

[exotic comet]

So it’s one spark to craft, one spark to add the trophy?

[wintry dew]

one spark to craft, and then the option reagent (trophy) to add the PvP ilevel

because those items are from season 1

so you need the trophy to make them s3 pvp ilevel

[wintry dew]

this

[exotic comet]

See this is where I’m confused, and thank you so freaking much for the help. On the regents page, it starts out with spark, fur, scales, and leather. So I add all of them. Then, when I go to add the optional regents it says just like your tool tip “required spark of dreams”. Does that mean I add another on top of the regents tab? Or do I skip the regents tab, and only add my spark in the optional slot? 😂

[halcyon timber]

You can re craft if you mess it up as well so don’t sweat it.

You add the spark to get it to x level and the optional reagent is used to make sure it maxes out in pvp (very important)

[exotic comet]

THAT makes more sense!!!

[halcyon timber]

Yes sir, no sweat

[proper grove]

does anyone know why shadowstrike isnt teleporting anymore? bug or some talent?

[light estuary]

how did you guys go about getting 2piece tier? 1600 rating for 1 free tier (which piece?) and another route?

[jolly sierra]

lfr

[tribal badger]

we have 1 catalyst charge already

so 1 from 1600, catalyst 1 piece of upgraded wpvp or conq gear

[stoic spruce]

I want dreadblades back

its actually pissing me off

[steel skiff]

Odd question, but does anyone here know approximately how many RBG wins you need to fill the vault?

[olive light]

Im surprised the 4 poison build isnt more popular in 2s, it feels really nice

[thick slate]

what assa build are ppl playing in pvp ?

[jolly sierra]

shadow dance KB tho

[jolly sierra]

its because the proc rate nerf

and access to better stuff

[gleaming pawn]

there might be something to be said about how raid single target isn't concerned with any proc rate nerfs, and does big dick. As Trill showed last season, running a raid build can lead to a lot more damage, at least when everything is going right

[waxen meteor]

[spring bough]

that looks gross

hope its hella nerfed in pvp lol

[waxen meteor]

And it’s an additional charging skill looks like

3 charges + 2 intervenes + 1 leap me warrior me smash

[spring bough]

can you get two its not unique lol imagine fury warrior with two

[waxen meteor]

Don’t think so.. based on the past oranges..

[jolly sierra]

finally

but ilvl is fucking shit

wait it is not

is still 7 ilvl higher than average pvp wep

[tribal badger]

ye same as last season

but its also a full weapon budget while evokers was 2/3rds since it was a 1h

cant wait to face some rets or arms with that on

[gleaming pawn]

going to be super "fun" watching the AWC with Cdew's team just running double melee trains with the axe

[worthy crag]

mm, i love sepsis

[spring bough]

outlaw aoe build goes crazy in solo

[steel skiff]

What are you dropping in exchange for the blade flurry talents?

[stoic spruce]

dk with a charge lmaooo

[waxen meteor]

Do the new horde cow DK

So double charge DK with double pull

[tribal badger]

ya i mean i expect the effects of the legendary to be nerfed by 99% like most weapon proc damage things (and evoker legendary) in pvp

but giving all plate specs another charge

nice item blizzard

[light estuary]

which wpvp/conq gear should we convert to tier? playing sub and outlaw specs

[tribal badger]

uh

whichever one has crit and mastery i guess

i havent made tier for my rogue yet since i need 4set locked in to pick my pieces for pve and thats what im gearing around

[light estuary]

question: does it make a difference if i get the ilvl 431 or ilvl 450 version of the world pvp gear?

when i turn it into tier for pvp, will it affect their ilvl?

[tribal badger]

yes

the 431 stuff is only 473 ilvl in pvp

the 450 base is 483

dont turn the 431 stuff into tier

i dont think u even can

only purple items can be turned

[light estuary]

ah ok ty

[mystic shoal]

is hemotoxin dogshit now

[exotic dove]

A similar build to that is what I am doing in 2s right now I am at 1860 CR atm

[brisk bramble]

What's the lower boundaries of what people would consider high ping in PVP?

[halcyon timber]

Aka the rodeo

[brisk bramble]

I'm trying to swap servers from KR to LA but I want to know if around 120~140 ping is extremely high or bearable

[halcyon timber]

Search for leatrix addon. They make / made a latency one to help. I dunno if they still develop addons though

Leatrix plus or something like that

[brisk bramble]

Wait what would an addon do for latency?

Surely you can't use an addon for lag comp

[halcyon timber]

Help prioritize packeting or some jazz like that

[tribal badger]

i play at 120-180 ping

[halcyon timber]

/shrug

[tribal badger]

its annoying for juking or getting juked but its playable

[halcyon timber]

Yeah im usually around 50-75ms