Can’t remember the name right now but no, you want the AGI proc when you CC someone boots
#pvp
gleaming pawn
storm spade
oh ok ty
vocal surge
Anyone here got duelist?
spark star
Got my vault slot, is waist a waste? Got 2 rings and conquest belt..
No I am trying to break 1500 solo this season lolol
I just read on murlok io that the majority of the top 50 players have the injurious footwraps of indemnity.
slender ember
Sub here, I have Hellbloom weapon, conq weapon, tier pants / gloves... What do I buy with conq next?
potent pivot
ew
jolly sierra
cringe
wet dune
spring bough
so in pvp combat the new crit embelish gives +313 of crit at 20 stacks
oh nice this crit embelish also has an aoe 20% slow if you dip below 70% hp
stoic spruce
what is this new embelish?
spring bough
dreamtender's charm
tribal badger
i think its probably pretty bad
it takes like 20s to stack up to 20 stacks of crit
and anytime you dip under 70% you lose them all
and it needs to restack again
incidental cleave will just knock all ur stacks away constantly
let alone being trained
spring bough
idk second i hit the dummy it was at 20 even tho tooltip says per second
spring bough
guess ill find out how it do not many other options
uncut wedge
hey guys - i built the wrong conquest weapon last week and am only now realizing it. should i replace it asap or build other pieces and circle back to it?
asking because its unclear to me how big of a deal it is that I got the sword isntead of the axe
wary spire
https://x.com/Wowhead/status/1727122360875229262?s=20
No mega assa nerfs here
half nebula
Is anyone else struggling to get to 1600 in solo this season? Last season I goto 2k relatively easily.
Yeah okay, guess time will tell
wary spire
Is anyone else struggling to get to 1600 in solo this season? Last season I goto...
Start of a season and end of a season are vastly different.
olive light
As sin if im running hemotoxin but not with a Mortal stike teammate, do i run deadly or wound poison
tribal badger
bro outlaw has a global taunt now in arena or something
every solo shuffle today, the enemy team has used 100% of their stuns on me everytime i press dance or vanish, to DR
even when im not doing close to my partners damage
just winning rounds kidneying healer while my melee partner Ts off because every single peel on the enemy team gets used on me
spring bough
They know what stealth means for outlaw already lol
tribal badger
anytime i press a button
its wild
i just pressed dance and i got stun knock blind stun stunned all at once
spring bough
I had a double lock one before and got feared every time I did anything
spring bough
I just got back from my bad double lock lobby and ripped a 6-0 though lol
Was doing 100k, 127k some dumb numbers lol. Crit is awesome I’m at like 43% in pvp
Most of my abilities criting more than 50% of the time lol
vocal surge
43% w. normal buffs and equipment ye?
Meaning with RTB giving ruthless and BTE
43% + 15% + 20%
spring bough
43% before round starts lol
tribal badger
i will say, as people get more hp its getting much harder to kill plate
my highest BtE in that match was 98k
running damage amp on stun and ghostly
vocal surge
Yep
tribal badger
barely scratching plate now
vocal surge
I honestly think that outlaw should have not gotten touched at all
Because we hit hard at the start of the season
but as we get more gear alongside others
we dont hit as hard
tribal badger
its just funny
vocal surge
We dont scale as well
tribal badger
people r fighting their demons from last week
i can vicerouly feel my damage falling off from week to week
but i still just global taunt enemy team anytime i press dance
tribal badger
its just as people gear up
facing dks with almost 1m hp now
getting good conq in their boxes + this weeks buy
and my bte dispatch hits for maybe 130k on a double crit (bte crit and dispatch crit)
ok i only need 9 of these in a row to kill this dude
xd
tribal badger
yea and as soon as i get it i can throw on some pve tier for pvp
vocal surge
if we get a 5 roll, its actually 6
tribal badger
cause all my tier pieces are higher ilvl then honor gear
have 483, 489 and 483 tier ready and waiting for 4set
wait why tf am i not just wearing my PvE tier chest right now
honor gear is only 476
and this is 489
xd
godbless i dont even need to buy a conq chest this season
vocal surge
How you get 489 chest already lol?
spring bough
How the hell u get that already lmao
spring bough
You’re wild lol
vocal surge
That's broken af
spring bough
Brb gonna go grind rating
spring bough
Yeah a 2 lmao
vocal surge
Lets hit it
tribal badger
m+ is really nice this season
if u get max tier of reward in vault (18+)
its upgradable to 489
which is also conq ilvl
so u can just wear ur pve shit in pvp
spring bough
If only fangs didn’t get nerfed I would have hit keys so hard lol
tribal badger
ugh i should be filling alts vaults up
but i wanna finish my 2100 push rn
managed to get 2 queues in less then 45m
very nice
tribal badger
450+ probably to get decent invites yea
and itll go up as people gear up
best is usually pushing ur own key
olive light
Deadly or wound poison as sin in solo without a ms? But running hemotoxin
vocal surge
and doing +20s unlocks Mythic which is ilvl 483 vault
in other words
M+ is mandatory
tribal badger
ye 483 vault which is upgradable to 489
worthy crag
how much does offhand contribute to dps?
tribal badger
not terribly much
stoic spruce
should be your last piece to buy imo
olive light
should be your last piece to buy imo
what two tier piece slots should we start with
vapid ledge
Yo @vocal surge you seem pretty handy on the Outlaw stuff. Whats the stat prio there? It's like Crit/Vers ya?
stoic spruce
yeah
stoic spruce
what two tier piece slots should we start with
im not entirely sure tbh, I dont know what stats the pieces have but you should try to prio Crit/Vers with a side of haste
not a lot but just enough to sweeten the pot
olive light
im not entirely sure tbh, I dont know what stats the pieces have but you should ...
even for sin? i thought sin went mastery/vers/haste
olive light
oh for sin idk
do we have two charges at catalyst now or only 1
stoic spruce
just the 1
sharp sierra
is dagger for offhand for outlaw better?
tribal badger
it doesnt really matter but yes technically
vocal surge
Yo <@274725815244029952> you seem pretty handy on the Outlaw stuff. Whats the st...
crit vers
rn found a way to get beyond 80% crit rate :3
Looks like Outlaw's BIS for offhand this season is Nick of Time
for the Timestrike stat
tribal badger
idk if its nerfed in pvp
vocal surge
it has a PvP multiplier of 1
tribal badger
should also test the neck in pvp
vocal surge
Its good for pressure, but with how hp, armor, and versatility scales over time, it will fall off
vapid ledge
I guess what Im getting at is would I take the haste/vers piece or vers/mastery
vocal surge
Vers / Mastery for pressure
Haste is good for energy regen
Its a hard split since both are similar stat wise
Welinth noted that he can feel Haste when it procs
@spring bough
steel skiff
Just dropped from Kazzak...tempted to use it in PvP
tribal badger
ya thats the neck i was gunna say
wuld be worth testing
its as good as 489 necks in pve st
steel skiff
Tried it out on the dummy, did about 2% of my total damage...it's also nice that it's not physical damage
stoic spruce
Looks like Outlaw's BIS for offhand this season is Nick of Time
you fr or are you being a little goofball?
steel skiff
The Verdant Conduit embellishment is pretty good so far, been testing it in randoms and the uptime is almost constant
worthy crag
do embellishes not matter at all this season
steel skiff
Talking about this one, procs a random secondary stat https://www.wowhead.com/item=208189/verdant-conduit
I didn't bother with the crit embellishment, didn't seem worth it to me
dark kernel
The new sub 2pc sucks so much ass holy shit
worthy crag
its not rly bad
the season 2 one was just busted op
and everything is going to suck in comparison
lucid citrus
got dad loot from vault but what is people buying with their conq? have 1000 to spend
waxen meteor
i used on glove and weapon, remain won't spend
worthy crag
lol i thought conquest cap is 1350 every week so i didnt buy weapon on the first week on my alt
now my alt is gonna need to save conq for 2 weeks to get 1350
worthy crag
tru
waxen meteor
does the raid dagger work well?
celest burrow
How is assassin doing these days havent playe da rogue in a few years. Just want to dust him off; only spec I really find fun lol
dark kernel
How is assassin doing these days havent playe da rogue in a few years. Just wan...
Its currently the FOTM
vapid ledge
Is shiv used for Outlaw/Sub at all? Like are there meaningful enrage effects I should be looking to remove or is it really just for the slow?
stoic spruce
why do I keep changing targets without tabbing or clicking? It just does it randomly
tribal badger
other classes using things that drop target
stoic spruce
every class have one?
tribal badger
every night elf has one
worthy crag
so did anyone test and see if envenom really is undocumented nerfed
lucid citrus
Anyone feel liek they dont do any damage when you don't have blades up?
gritty heart
Anyone feel liek they dont do any damage when you don't have blades up?
thas right
stoic spruce
outlaw/aug/rsham is not good
stoic spruce
howdy
stoic spruce
playing a bad comp lol
nova viper
playing a bad comp lol
ss or 3s?
nova viper
dude disc is insane
fr fr
maiden gull
How does Outlaw feel after Nerf?
stoic spruce
the same
opal folio
Anyone know if the Lariat is a good second crafted for assa?
stoic spruce
we need some sort of stealth dam absorb
sharp pumice
stoic spruce
lmaooooooo
hushed kraken
how is the shadowstrike bug still not fixed lol
cosmic seal
Assa or outlaw for solo shuffle push ?
untold remnant
You guys think tier set will be played by Assa and Sub?
jolly sierra
Anyone know if the Lariat is a good second crafted for assa?
no fucking way
opal folio
OK lol glad I asked
wary spire
On one hand nelf is much more impactfull than the other races. On the other - if they nerf it there'll be more dwarfs.
And as we all know - short kings are powerful.
mystic shoal
just fucking disable all racials in pvp
TRUE
minor cape
active ones
wym active ones
passive should be disabled too
otherwise it will be just orcs lol
jolly sierra
GLOVES GLOVES
stoic spruce
just fucking disable all racials in pvp
If you don't want racials in pvp then an mmorpg isn't for you
jolly sierra
passive should be disabled too
rather prefer that than ppl melding everytime
jolly sierra
or other ones having trinkets with a racial
stoic spruce
Make a solid argument and I will tell you why you're wrong
jolly sierra
Make a solid argument and I will tell you why you're wrong
ben shapiro
jolly sierra
XD
stoic spruce
I wonder what he's up to these days
jolly sierra
arguing in social media
stoic spruce
I watched him when I was in highschool. I'm man enough to admit I loved the "destroying liberals with facts and logic" scene.
He's so funny
stoic spruce
Crimge
jolly sierra
this guy ben started arguing
the briish ignored his crap
then ben did a scene and left
lol
jolly sierra
lemme search it
stoic spruce
I want him, Joe Rogan, and Joe Biden on a podcast together.
minor cape
If you don't want racials in pvp then an mmorpg isn't for you
many mmos don't have racials at all
stoic spruce
True
minor cape
just less than the other ones
minor cape
i would love to play swtor in it's prime, it was so good
minor cape
rather prefer that than ppl melding everytime
sounds unfair!!!
stoic spruce
He had a point with BBC but after that it went downhill rather quickly
Amazing
Not to get too political but his voice is cracks me up
minor cape
Ben when facts and logic don't explain his religious beliefs: 👺
not offtopic, they do the debate pvp so that counts
stoic spruce
PvP is in misc, so anything goes
nova viper
politcs is super pvp thing
stoic spruce
I'd talk about how I smoke my meat if it werent 4:30 am
nova viper
jolly sierra
facts and logic doesnt works against briish
stoic spruce
There's a statement but my back is killing me
jolly sierra
u should bring a floppa instead
stoic spruce
Lmaoo facts
wary spire
just fucking disable all racials in pvp
I'd be okay with meld not instantly dropping combat and assa having some dispel protection.
elfin maple
do assa run with a deadly poison or wound poison btw?
jolly sierra
I'd be okay with meld not instantly dropping combat and assa having some dispel ...
gimme fleshcraft for assa ty
i most of time run deadly w hemotoxin
stoic spruce
Remember when slappy hands pulled rogues from stealth? That was funny.
wary spire
Reason to run precog on assa. 
wary spire
stoic spruce
Ed Sheerans real name is "Little Gary Singsong"
back when i was a dk main, i thought this evoker talent would be a lot bigger of an issue than it really was.
stoic spruce
I think so
jolly sierra
back when i was a dk main, i thought this evoker talent would be a lot bigger of...
tokio ghoul
stoic spruce
my last one.
stoic spruce
Blizzard, cat staring at you as it pushes a glass off the counter.
strange stag
Is sub rogue still bugged in pvp ? With 30%dmg. I want to it so bad but not with that bugged shit
jolly sierra
shi he te o
sono shikumi wo
stoic spruce
Is sub rogue still bugged in pvp ? With 30%dmg. I want to it so bad but not with...
Yes
Hey mage
jolly sierra
wasting a embelishment slot for pvp
jolly sierra
what 2nd embelishment should one use now
barely does damage
and is extra nerfed in pvp
ppl here suggested both keeping the spark or crafting the secondary stat proc embelishment
jolly sierra
Talking about you Mage
bruh barely slept 4 hours and now im in job
wary spire
Is sub rogue still bugged in pvp ? With 30%dmg. I want to it so bad but not with...
They can leave the bug on purpose if they like "where rogue is at right now".
Wouldn't be the first time.
jolly sierra
assa worked as intented in s2
wary spire
Nightstalker threads go wheee
jolly sierra
brrrrrr
nova viper
tribal badger
back when i was a dk main, i thought this evoker talent would be a lot bigger of...
i mean
Deva in cds will 1 tap ur AMS with this xd
but yea in general its not a huge deal
it does scale with their mastery and damage amps so
surreal barn
ppl here suggested both keeping the spark or crafting the secondary stat proc em...
I almost wanna see what running a max avoidance build does with all this AoE lol
Would be interesting to see
I feel like the cleave is crazy
If you jacked up avoidance it would stack with feint
jolly sierra
I almost wanna see what running a max avoidance build does with all this AoE lol
tried one in s1 and dropped it shortly later xddddd
surreal barn
We couldn’t sit at 40% versa then either tho
jolly sierra
hmmmmm
proven kayak
What’s the best 2v2 assa setup I still play 4 poisons and kingsbane
harsh kiln
They can leave the bug on purpose if they like "where rogue is at right now".
what bug are you talking about? 30% what?
untold remnant
Shadowed FInishers is bugged and doesn't duplicate the shadow damage.. 😄 so effectively, our evis does around 30% less damage.
Moreover, our shadowstrike teleport got fcked by Blizz, so it just unstealths you away from the target
Still bugged it seems
I think the shadowstrike part is most toxic
jolly sierra
nice blizzard still neglects rogues for s3
wintry dew
It's odd since the blizzard friend guy was here last week
And he knows about these problems
jolly sierra
realz?
wintry dew
Y
jolly sierra
yeah, the guy was here i recall
wintry dew
We told him last week when he reached to us
jolly sierra
idk i dont stan him anymore since he ignored pvp issues in last season w rework
lets see what happens
wintry dew
He's only 1 guy from a whole team, he obviously can't do everything, max he could do is ask whoever designs the pvp stuff to fix it
Since the PvE is working
jolly sierra
yeah
but dunno
when i asked him if could come here to pvp thread to hear us for a moment he dodged the question and i ate all the andys rage w pvp
now im banished from there thanks to that xd
wintry dew
From where?
calm heath
I was actually about to ask whether Realz was aware of the Assassination PVP issues of awful passive damage reduction, getting trained into the ground, and the worst dispel protection of any major damage cooldown in the game
and if there is a plan to address that
frozen cosmos
Hey Guys.. any advice for the first set-parts for assa? I guess hands + legs (had no luck in vault)... ty!
calm heath
kind of rough being a brawler spec that can't brawl
jolly sierra
I was actually about to ask whether Realz was aware of the Assassination PVP iss...
dont go to assa pve thread to ask
calm heath
Oh I dont anymore
went there once with PVP issues and was swarmed by a flock of angry PVEers screaming at me about how there is a PVP forum for that
even though the dev coincidentally doesn't seem to come in here or ask any PVP specific questions so this forum seems like screaming into the void trying to get issues addressed for PVP
jolly sierra
yeah one of the mods gaslighted me saying he come here in s2 to address that stuff
and the guy just tracked the beta messages for DF
then started to laugh at me and deleted all my messages when i tried to write back
what an exemplar
calm heath
rofl sorry dude, love how we can't talk about assassination issues in the assassination channel
calm heath
yeah one of the mods gaslighted me saying he come here in s2 to address that stu...
Oh nice I must have missed the fixes to the two fundamental problems of assassination in PVP that we've had since the beginning of the xpac rework
jolly sierra
Oh nice I must have missed the fixes to the two fundamental problems of assassin...
yeah, dunno what we need to do now
jolly sierra
rofl sorry dude, love how we can't talk about assassination issues in the assass...
only here sadly
calm heath
Hey Guys.. any advice for the first set-parts for assa? I guess hands + legs (ha...
Going wisdom is legs + hands. I'm interested to see if people end up using the 4 piece or not. Seems super sub-par in PVP, esp since the stat allocation is awful for us in PVP, but I've heard the damage on envenoms during burst windows can be OK.
untold remnant
Just all file a bug report ingame
elfin maple
can anyone confirm whether they shadow nerfed assa rogue? Maybe i got super lucky with lobbies or smth and got over excited but last 2 days im just getting destroyed into depression
olive garden
can anyone confirm whether they shadow nerfed assa rogue? Maybe i got super luck...
It’s probably cause most classes are getting there tier sets this week so a lot of classes essentially buffed. Ass tier set isn’t super strong in pvp so it’s gonna feel weaker in comparrison. We been known ass is hit or miss with pvp
elfin maple
my shuffles are just terrible
olive garden
Yeah a lot of casuals got there 2p yesterday some got full 4p so your gonna see a lot of people pumping suddenly. Until you get some bis shit it’s gonna feel bad
elfin maple
im runnin cloak/disarm/smoke bomb for that survivabilty , im not sure if i should use hemotoxin with deadly poison or use that wound poison as i have talented into 2 stacks of it
mystic shoal
pls nerf demo bro
olive garden
It’s hard to say use one thing or another with pvp. Because everyone just got there buffs and everyone knows rouges are glass cannons your gonna get focused. Best thing to do honestly is just learn your matchups and play more defensive. Put your dots focus on cc and control wait for that opportunity or just let the other dps go ham a win is a win
elfin maple
i need some shadenox videos in my system, hes like so good explaining the mindset of assa player
jolly sierra
run a battlemaster trink
olive garden
It’s honestly a patience thing with ass put your dots on keep the pressure and wait for that opportunity to cc and burst bait trinkets and then punish .
The damage isn’t there enough to just dump cds and nuke like with sub. Ass has always been a battle of attrition letting them dots roll and keep pressure then big burst when they don’t have anything to defend with. I’ve seen success with ret pally on 2s
elfin maple
would you suggest running badge, battlemaster or that passive trinket ?
surreal barn
Not being able to restealth with sanguine blades is kinda dumb lol
Sorry you all dealt with that in s2 😂
split marsh
jolly sierra
Not being able to restealth with sanguine blades is kinda dumb lol
glad i dont use that in SS lol
harsh kiln
I think the shadowstrike part is most toxic
yeah that one i knew about, horrible atm. trying to vanish for gapcloser and you just stand there like a moron xD. thanks for pointing it out about the SF
surreal barn
Deals a lot of dam
near talon
Hey everyone. I wanted to pick up a rogue for a melee class outside of my heals and mage. How’s outlaw damage? I generally have played assassination rogue in the past, but was always curious about outlaw.
surreal barn
Outlaw be pumpin.
upper wing
Real rogues play sub like Pikaboo
fervent shell
Not being able to restealth with sanguine blades is kinda dumb lol
yeah, it's awful. probably going to drop it
sharp sierra
is outlaw always this unpopular even when it's decent? I just noticed, dh shuffle ends at 1000th player at 1800+ and I'm rank 54 on outlaw with 1780 lol
frozen cosmos
Going wisdom is legs + hands. I'm interested to see if people end up using the 4...
TY!
tribal badger
is outlaw always this unpopular even when it's decent? I just noticed, dh shuffl...
yes
jolly sierra
people.enjoy the Zug Zug it seems
as always
sharp sierra
I got the set chest in vault 🤤
waxen meteor
Nice, saw a sin rocking at 2000 ish lobby
elfin maple
Nice, saw a sin rocking at 2000 ish lobby
who is the crazy chad
tribal badger
wait i just noticed this seasons omni token pvp gear goes to the same ilvl upgraded as the omni token pve gear
godbless
i dont need to pick which path im gearing for
👏
sharp sierra
can i get 2 spark splinters this week? i got 1 from the dream rep quest
tribal badger
u get half a spark per week
if ur behind u can catchup
current week tho u should have 2 sparks total to craft with
cant have more then that
sharp sierra
i crafted boots, and now i have half a spark
tribal badger
that means ur half behind
u can get one with catch up stuff
which is just do content until it drops
sharp sierra
oh you could get one the week before season right
tribal badger
dungeons/pvp/raid
no, first week of season we got a full spark
then 0.5 per week after
but effectively the same so w/e
sharp sierra
aight ty
restive hemlock
Sorry if its been asked a ton, but what's the go to Outlaw build atm
sharp sierra
does anyone elses shuffle mmr look very weird? it is ALWAYS 1 point plus or minus the actual rating which is weird
id understand if i d be going 3-3- perma but
elfin maple
what your mmr and cr
nova viper
does anyone elses shuffle mmr look very weird? it is ALWAYS 1 point plus or minu...
u probably have for example
1200cr and 1200mr or even worse
and if u want + u should make 5-2
or make 6-0 few game for better mmr
nova viper
Real rogues play sub like Pikaboo
true
elfin maple
also the problem is that starting mmr is lets say 1600 but cr is legit 0, so if you lose to this player is it worse than loosing to a player with a 1600 mmr and 1600 cr, atleast that is how i understand the system
wide flax
What embelishments are you boys rolling with as outlaw?
placid shell
worthy crag
i have that for now but im going to replace it with verdant conduit with a crafted ring later
that one is just a lot cheaper rn
clear wigeon
for the nelf outlaw gamers out there
#showtooltip between the eyes
/startattack
/cast !stealth
/cast between the eyes
should fix meld "bugging" out BTE
steel skiff
I’m using Verdant for the 2nd embellishment on my outlaw, it’s surprisingly good. The uptime is almost 100%, and all the secondary stats are valuable for outlaw to varying degrees
worthy crag
think the benefit is better if your teammates also have verdant conduit, kinda like the battlefield focus azerite trait back in bfa
as in, it benefits your team and not just yourself
harsh kiln
Shadowed FInishers is bugged and doesn't duplicate the shadow damage.. 😄 so eff...
i've tested this and it seems to be working fine. you sure its bugged and not human error?:)
worthy crag
ive been told it only bugs in pvp
works fine on dummies or mobs
not sure about pvp dummies
harsh kiln
yeah ok that checks out, did some more testing
figured it might have been someone jsut missing find weakness on their eviscerates.
jolly sierra
I’m using Verdant for the 2nd embellishment on my outlaw, it’s surprisingly good...
ive seen that reported
maybe can use it in my belt to keep the enchant
is expensive af dude ngl
chrome schooner
I’m using Verdant for the 2nd embellishment on my outlaw, it’s surprisingly good...
Is the stat value lowered in PvP, or is it not changed ?
jolly sierra
Is the stat value lowered in PvP, or is it not changed ?
just checked wowhead and pvp multiplier is 1 for the buff
surreal barn
If we crafted something last week we can’t craft this week right
tribal badger
u have 2 crafts total so far this season
we got second half of second spark this week
so yes u can
jolly sierra
i will go PTR and check if i can keep my belt enchant
surreal barn
Hmm
jolly sierra
or maybe just craft a ring for now
surreal barn
Wonder how to get that last half of spark then
jolly sierra
the one from last week?
surreal barn
I crafted something last week
jolly sierra
win a skirmish
tribal badger
everything gives catch up sparks
surreal barn
Yeah, I did the 1500 rep to get half
tribal badger
not guarenteed tho
jolly sierra
is the fastest way
tribal badger
but yea just play game > you'll get it eventually
surreal barn
And I thought other half would be malicias hoard
tribal badger
usually doesnt take too long
steel skiff
Is the stat value lowered in PvP, or is it not changed ?
unchanged, it's 318 to a random secondary stat in PvP
sharp sierra
do i need to be logged out of my account for them to perform faction change?
jolly sierra
if u did that and got one this week u should have 4 shards
tribal badger
do i need to be logged out of my account for them to perform faction change?
just character
sharp sierra
k
surreal barn
Only 3, Ill keep looking around
sharp sierra
i also have only 3 and didnt drop yet from pvp activity. did a few shuffles already
quaint cedar
I’m using Verdant for the 2nd embellishment on my outlaw, it’s surprisingly good...
which embellishment is that? I can't seem to find it
worthy crag
verdant conduit
tribal badger
u give up a fair amount of stam but that thing pumps
steel skiff
Been using it in randoms so far, it’s a decent tick of damage, and probably the only non-physical damage outlaw is going to get
Ngl, I like the speed stat, too
quaint cedar
thanks!
steel skiff
I got lucky it dropped on my first kill
steel skiff
Not sure, I tagged in on a fight in progress
jolly sierra
i checked the drops
seems like its 1:5 for leather users
1:3 for plates
dont care for cloth for obvious reasons and mail cuz meh
most benefited players w that imo are ww monks, outlaw rogs and fury warriors, and maybe rets cuz they have increased autoattack speed
stoic spruce
Ngl, I like the speed stat, too
It doesn't work in pvp
Only speed enchants, talents, and gems do.
steel skiff
Ah didn’t notice that, bummer
stoic spruce
Yeah, it's to make pve stuff less desirable
jolly sierra
but works very well for pve old stuff speedruns
quaint cedar
so how has shuffle been so far as outlaw? I've only had time to do 2s since the season started
quaint cedar
whoa!!! who knew?
quaint cedar
lol
I am a bit afraid for more nerfs
We're doing great right now but if we get nerfed more we are going to be screwed once everyone has gear
Outlaw scales worse than other classes
stoic spruce
No bs I was wailing into a ret last night and that health bar barely moved.
quaint cedar
yeah
And they do insane damage to us
I've only beaten I think 1 ret so far in 2s
And that's our best bracket
stoic spruce
I haven't tried 2s yet
quaint cedar
Feels like a near impossible matchup
stoic spruce
I bet there's a ret every other arena too
quaint cedar
Not in 2s, but prolly shuffle
stoic spruce
I played 29 matches in 3s last night and more than half had rets
jolly sierra
I bet there's a ret every other arena too
im one of the rets
stoic spruce
I expected better from you
jolly sierra
dont worry its an alt
stoic spruce
Actually we stopped doing aug/outlaw/rsham and ran Scooby-Doo lol
vocal surge
It's such a good feeling
quaint cedar
rets will still tell you they are a terrible class though
vocal surge
hard punishing fistweavers
stoic spruce
If you can't beat them, join them.
vocal surge
for focusing you, an outlaw rogue, after S1
jolly sierra
fistweavers were nerfed hard yesterday
stoic spruce
Aug is bad
quaint cedar
dude I just want my 2 set on my second rogue
and I can't get a consistent group
it's either someone who can't heal at all or someone who does great but can only play like 5 games and then has to go
and then it's back to searching
this was so easy on my first rogue lol
stoic spruce
Well I want 4 set on my rogue
But wish in one hand and shit in the other and see what hand gets filled first.
I'm not even going to BOTHER with shuffle anymore
I'll take my 1200 and be happy with it
steel skiff
losing armor pen really hurt outlaw
There was a really good thread on the PTR about it, someone suggested tying armor pen to enduring brawler, someone else said just make pistol shot and BtE fire damage...I like either of those ideas
gleaming pawn
I’m leaning towards Sin but what do y’all think will work best in Thug, Sin or Outlaw?
quaint cedar
I would guess outlaw, it usually pairs better when its in a good spot
topaz delta
boys, do we run 4 piece for sub?
waxen meteor
Hard to say
tribal badger
im confused, where crests not supposed to scale with rating matches?
winning matches at 1800+ still giving whelpling crests
jolly sierra
winning matches at 1800+ still giving whelpling crests
wtf
hmm
i recall
it gave me drake crests at 2k1 in last season
tribal badger
zzz wanted to get home and grind some more rating but theres terrible lag in game rn
thankfully it started hitting right at the end of my first solo shuffle round so I only lost 1 game to it
meager hamlet
Sub players - is there anything more to bug besides "shadowed finishers + evis = doesnt work pvp" ?
like any other details to add or is that as far as it goes
jolly sierra
wanna talk for assa
sanguine blades
stoic spruce
Shadow Step I think is bugged right?
jolly sierra
bugged af
meager hamlet
Shadow Step I think is bugged right?
looking into this too, any further detail helpful
is it shadowstep or shadowstrike's tele
stoic spruce
Tele
meager hamlet
hm
stoic spruce
I'm not exactly sure on how to replicate it but it happens fairly often so it's not hard to replicate.
jolly sierra
sanguine blades keep urself stuck in combat
meager hamlet
might be fixed (internally), i can check
meager hamlet
sanguine blades keep urself stuck in combat
yeah this is annoying af
jolly sierra
can you check it? i dont wanna another s2 trauma like w tier
tribal badger
ive heard subs rupture ticks during shadowblades also does this
keeps them in combat
meager hamlet
shadow strike's tele - i assume ur at range and u still hit them, but no tele? is that right?
pastel burrow
thats correct
stoic spruce
Yessir
meager hamlet
ok ty
sanguine: combat bug
shadow blades + dot dmg: combat bug
shadow strike: at ranged, should tele + hit, but only hit
shadowstep: ????
shadowed finishers + evis: bug
is shadowstep working correctly or no, i imagine it is?
tribal badger
havent seen anyone talking about any shadowstep bugs in here and havent noticed any myself
meager hamlet
feel like ive heard whispers but nothing concrete and i dont have a bug entered internally
ok
stoic spruce
It's been mentioned a couple times but they could've been talking about the tele
meager hamlet
might have been mixup with shadow strike
stoic spruce
Prolly
meager hamlet
any further insight on shadowed finishers + evis or nah? it just, doesnt work, no other observations?
stoic spruce
Other than that, everything seems okay
jolly sierra
wait before you go
is intended 2set for assa overlaps stacks even if the amount is lower than current iteration?
meager hamlet
what do u mean
jolly sierra
for example getting 7 stacks and then later getting 5, overlapping the 7
tribal badger
the stacks are unique they dont stack duration i believe
meager hamlet
are u asking if they overlap ironfur-style?
tribal badger
ur just seeing older stacks fall off
meager hamlet
u dont refresh the whole stack, each application has its own duration
tribal badger
you might spike up to 10 but as those first stacks fall off it will go down even as ur building more stacks if you arent building them fast enough
^
like ironfur
gleaming pawn
Shadowstep had a problem where you cannot step your focus. You have to clear target > step focus > target last target
jolly sierra
well, then the only real issue for the spec is sanguine tho
meager hamlet
Shadowstep had a problem where you cannot step your focus. You have to clear tar...
this one i have to ask for engineer help with, but it's a tracked bug yeah, ty reminder
tribal badger
realz i know this isnt rogue specific but im not really sure where i would ask this question, maybe a ticket? I remember blizzard mentioning crest rewards were going to scale with rating
but im not sure how that works because im 2090 and im getting whelpling crests from rated pvp
tribal badger
yes
stoic spruce
Yeah
tribal badger
from my boxes, 2 sets of whelpling crests
tribal badger
i havent seen any higher rewards
meager hamlet
i'd imagine u get X per match, not in a box
tribal badger
i guess i'll open a ticket, im sure its not ure perogative to look at that
meager hamlet
but yeah, idk
tribal badger
just wanted some insight into it
meager hamlet
i can ask some pvp ppl next week but at this point i cant really do anything
tribal badger
👍 thanks for ur time
stoic spruce
jolly sierra
thanks for your time coming here by yourself
stoic spruce
It means a lot to us
jolly sierra
hope can get hotfixes soon
hmmmm
now i recall
ppl here in assa felt they are doing least dmg than intended after kingsbane nerf
not in the KB itself but in the other abilities
tribal badger
i dont think we ever got any hard numbers on that tho
jolly sierra
like stealth nerfs or something
tribal badger
i just had a sin rogue in my solo shuffle match doing 60-80k dps every round
so might have been ancindotal post nerf cope
will need more testing and more people providing numbers to solidify that i think
halcyon timber
any further insight on shadowed finishers + evis or nah? it just, doesnt work, n...
Shadowed finishers doesn’t work in pvp sir. Shadowstrike also wont perform the teleport on the initial hit from stealth.
stoic spruce
The best kind of cope
meager hamlet
Shadowed finishers doesn’t work in pvp sir. Shadowstrike also wont perform the t...
be precise if possible
does it not work AT ALL or only with eviscerate?
jolly sierra
sounds like, ppl are real crybabies after even the smallest nerf
meager hamlet
specific conditions and observations are what i need
halcyon timber
Yes sir with eviscerate it will show only the physical hit and wont register two hits
jolly sierra
i didnt played by myself today, so
halcyon timber
With FW up as usual it will not activate the shadow portion sir
So instead of two hits, it only deals the physical blow.
Blackpowder is the same as well
stoic spruce
FW my beloved
halcyon timber
On training dummies, (pvp and pve dummies) and mobs shadowed finishers works, on players the shadow portion will not activate
halcyon timber
just buff evis by 30% and call it a fix
Would be dangerous territory and that’s why we went with the shadow portion all these years later. Eviscerate back in the day had a 50% buff to it because it had to do good damage back in the day. Buffing it would heavily favor finality and would make a bad problem.
Shadowstrike as other Subtlety rogues can confirm will treat the strike as a ranged blow and not teleport us from stealth. So we shadow strike from 25 yards but do not activate the movement portion of the ability.
worthy crag
it was a joke
halcyon timber
Also another bug Realz is replicating shadows will reset combat timer preventing stealth as well. Ex: rupture shadow portion will delay 6 sec window to restealth and we have to wait/ run more until it falls off or if you are lucky enough to mash stealth. We remained stealth at least but it will put us in combat.
tribal badger
i told him
halcyon timber
Right on just got back and threw stuff in.
halcyon timber
Yes blades will but also replicating shadows
meager hamlet
to be clear - shadow strike tele NEVER works in pvp?
halcyon timber
Correct sir
meager hamlet
k ty
halcyon timber
You sit still range hitting with the initial blow instead
No problem at all, thank you for looking into it.
meager hamlet
sounds like it was an unintentional side-effect of a change made to accommodate a pvp boss. That change got cleaned up and internally it looks good to me, so it should work again soonish (idk when, it's thanksgiving, but good internally... good chance sometime early next week?)
found problem with shadowed finishers + evis too so same thing there
halcyon timber
That’s awesome, thank you very much and completely understood man
Its been a pain in the butt
meager hamlet
been looking into the combat bugs, last thing i have time to look into today
worthy crag
Im curioua if the shadowed finishers fix will put sub on the nerf radar xd
halcyon timber
Deadly
stoic spruce
Im curioua if the shadowed finishers fix will put sub on the nerf radar xd
I guess we'll see next week
halcyon timber
Not even evoker hitting people for 130k disintegrate ticks
meager hamlet
Im curioua if the shadowed finishers fix will put sub on the nerf radar xd
maybe, performance is very middle-of-the-road for middle ratings and uncoordinated play (like shuffle) but sub has always performed better in coordinated high level play... so who knows
stoic spruce
I got beamed by a disc priest today
meager hamlet
esp since burst nerf
halcyon timber
Id kill to just have gloomblade be worth its salt in downtime
worthy crag
idk, imo sub is best at shuffle and outlaw is best at high level play
halcyon timber
Each time we get heavily tuned down, stun bot land stinks
tribal badger
im a bit surprised law was actually performing well enough to eat a nerf and im a bit worried how it will work out later in the season when everyones scaled up
but at least it was a smaller initial nerf
worthy crag
sub is the most telegraphed spec if ppl know whats going on
scarlet wharf
Shadowy duel dropping target is one, random but happens a lot
stoic spruce
Outlaw can already start to feel dmg drop off into plate now that people are getting gear.
halcyon timber
Yeah it has been going on since legion
stoic spruce
So I'm worried
tribal badger
well law was dedicated to fall off on plate since we lost armor pen
hopefully it wont be too bad at 489 ilvl
stoic spruce
Yeah
tribal badger
man id love for our guns to be fire damage
stoic spruce
MM drops off at higher rating because of it too
tribal badger
yea i hope it never gets as bad as mm
stoic spruce
But we don't like MM here
tribal badger
mm lobbies cloth vs plate are like
halcyon timber
The tuning is fine but buffing mages by silly stuff like 80% was odd
tribal badger
worlds apart
most rng queuing spec ive played
if u got a 3 plat lobby felt impossible to go positive
vs autowinning vs mages
worthy crag
their fault for not lifting hard enough to wear heavier armor
stoic spruce
worlds apart
Have you been playing Enduring Brawler?
tribal badger
always
tribal badger
i mean i have no accurate way to test if its working
but u proc way more inpvp then u do in pve so
my gut is yes
wary spire
Oh shit I've missed everything.
wary spire
sanguine: combat bug
shadow blades + dot dmg: combat bug
shadow strike: at ran...
- Cut to the Chace does not increase recuperator's healing. After the original duration is gone so is healing from snd.
strange stag
Im curioua if the shadowed finishers fix will put sub on the nerf radar xd
Is the hotfix here already?
potent pivot
stoic spruce
For bugs, not feedback. But still huge and more than I expected tbh.
quaint cedar
Still praying for armor pen to return to outlaw some day
Based on my testing on the ptr our damage is going to fall off quite a bit over the next few weeks when people get gear
Plate classes already feel worse to fight this week compared to last week
Combined with the small nerf we received
And if we get any big pve nerfs then we're basically screwed
steel skiff
outlaw absolutely needs something for plate wearers. Fire damage from pistol and BtE, or tie it to brawler, or even just bring expose armor back and make us spend combo points on it
quaint cedar
yeah, attaching find weakness stacks to brawler was my idea
Also loved the fire damage idea
Either would be good
Just give us something
steel skiff
Yeah agreed
jolly sierra
Realz came here 😄
yeah i regret some of the stuff i said in the afternoon
told him about sanguine blades
so we are saved
fuck found shadenox
@chrome schooner dood u got the 1500-60 gg
still grail
yall know best assassin talent page?
wintry dew
There are a few but rn only Americans are awake
Most eu people are sleeping
Let me search the one I use
Sorry can't find it on the phone
stoic spruce
outlaw absolutely needs something for plate wearers. Fire damage from pistol and...
I like the idea of exposed armor coming back. BtE could refresh duration maybe idk.
Would be an interesting gameplay loop
still grail
There are a few but rn only Americans are awake
im american lol
but ty for trying to find
stoic spruce
im american lol
Nuh uh
steel skiff
I like the idea of exposed armor coming back. BtE could refresh duration maybe i...
Yeah I like that idea. It would be another thing to track, but would help solve the issue without being overpowering against clothies. Maybe make it a talent? Dunno. We need something
pale storm
hit a 1v2 wearing Warglaive of Azzinoth in OH as sub lol
toxic yarrow
that the new tech? lol
pale storm
look good, play good
spring bough
can we buy back that transmog from blizz somehow someway please
just have the set sitting in my bags for no reason lol
gleaming pawn
meh, if we could then it would become even more lame and meaningless than it already is. So many DH run it, most Rogues would then too
jolly sierra
gleaming pawn
I've been meaning to ask you, how do you see anything in your UI lol
waxen meteor
worthy crag
bet the warr still had rally, leap, parry and was sitting in battle stance
Or they used leap to go in
vocal surge
Ngl
I decided to watch Supatease after a while
and after seeing him try Outlaw
and feel the frustrations
It feels alleviating to see him also have those absolute frustrating moments
Just seeing
Crit
4k
20k
lel
vs people with 600k hp
gleaming pawn
Ven trinkets a CC with 1sec left "I'm going to trinket cocoon, I don't even care" against a DH and WW, and screams in frustration at the warrior. Yes the warrior should have used a defensive but Ven fucked up too. WoW steamers, I swear
exotic dove
What are your guys thoughts on four set as Assa Murlock IO seems to have people going for it now
Helm shoulders gloves and legs
seems to be the pieces
jolly sierra
no head reeeeeeeeee
exotic dove
Some of the guys you look up on murlok IO in the top 50 or whatever actually bought the head with the 1600 token
the one taken the least is the chest
exotic dove
Probably go for the 600 vers on legs and then think its enough vers to not get the other vers piece and stack up on the mstery of the others
Helm gloves and shoulders have mastery
My theory on why anyway
A little more are going for chest in other 2 arena brackets but its still the lowest take
fluid nexus
Anyone has a list of every unintuitive/buggy things that drop you from stealth?
exotic dove
Did they fix sanguine blades?
I saw on a stream someone said they did but then someone said it still breaks stealth
maiden gull
but at least it was a smaller initial nerf
the nerf is not that small, its like 150k dmg in our burst windows. Can already feel it heavily into plate lobbys
but atleast the first 2 weeks have been fun
or in other words like ~12,5% less dmg for every crackshot
nova viper
yoooo
thick slate
It feels alleviating to see him also have those absolute frustrating moments
Just because he's a PVP streamer doesnt mean he has to be pro at every class. Outlaw is like his 100000th alt and he's super new on it
That shouldnt be an indicator
supa's more of a boomy player since thats his main
cursive umbra
dafuk ppl watch supa? 🙂
thick slate
This is my first season playing outlaw and i managed to get 1.8 first week
thick slate
sure outlaw doesnt have giant crits but it has good sustain and you can lock people out pretty easily
thick slate
i mean its not DH thats for sure
but people like him shouldnt be indicators
go watch Drdaggers, guy's gonna make you choose outlaw for life lol
vocal surge
I already play Outlaw for life thou
thick slate
nice
sharp sierra
go watch Drdaggers, guy's gonna make you choose outlaw for life lol
and makes you faction change to nelf
lucid citrus
is Lethality a must-have for Assassin?
sharp sierra
what I currently try to do in shuffle is keep healer cc'd with gouge, blind, kidney. I almost exclusively use kidney on CD on healers is that the way to go?
maiden gull
What DPS Trinket you outlaw guys prefer?
maiden gull
what I currently try to do in shuffle is keep healer cc'd with gouge, blind, kid...
would say its situational, sometimes u wann akidney KT with Smokebomb and blind healer when he tries go get in etc
or kidney OT, Blind heal and CS kt
vocal surge
What DPS Trinket you outlaw guys prefer?
Tis a hard choice between Badge and Insignia
Insignia makes energy regen smooth
but Badge makes crit chance bigger
sharp sierra
would say its situational, sometimes u wann akidney KT with Smokebomb and blind ...
hm I never thought about smokebomb yet lol. dunno what talent to give up for that tbh
maiden gull
Smokebomb is prbably one of the best pvp talents there is imho
like every 2nd match i win is because of smokebomb
Brawler smokebomb and take your cut
sharp sierra
enduring brawler is a must I guess, I almost always have veil and then disarm or the haste on rtb talent
u don't take veil into double melees?
maiden gull
i think smokebomb and brawler are mandatory 100%
3rd slot you can swithc between disarm, vei, and take your cut
but thats just my pov, couldn´t imagine to play with smokebomb tho
just to good and fun
maiden gull
u don't take veil into double melees?
no, you have evasion, feint vanish and hook
ks
cs
gouge
thick slate
BUT BRO YOU CAN CLOAK THAT MEAN KARMA AND JUST BLAST HIS BUTTHOLE
maiden gull
but Badge makes crit chance bigger
and you have the damage on demand not just randomly for the big SD goes
thick slate
OR CLOAK THE DISARM ON A GO
am i still top 36 outlaw world on eu ?
let me check
oh dang im now top 46
sharp sierra
no, you have evasion, feint vanish and hook
I ll give it a go. I m trying to find out what my role in the shuffle is at any point in time, sometimes I stand there and don't know what I should be doing 😄
maiden gull
always stay on target, use your KS on CD and setup goes
every vanish is a go, ever SD
proven kayak
Is there any macro that can swap my mutilate to ambush if blindside procs?
maiden gull
doesn´t this work automatically after last update or is it only for outlaw?
maiden gull
yes
minor cape
that's pretty cool
maiden gull
if u have a procc it just ambushes
proven kayak
I didn’t try it thanks I’m gonna try it makes sense tho
sharp sierra
if u have a procc it just ambushes
and in stealth
haughty meteor
yo yo
what is the new rogue talents n spec for pvp
is sub not optimal looks like all the top players are assa with dance
scarlet wharf
Probably outlaw hoping to spam BTE
Sin is good but you can get hardcore griefed with your dots and are more squishy
exotic dove
just sub/sin
Same been playing sub sin only for years now. No hate for outlaw though just not my cup of tea right now.
nova viper
Same been playing sub sin only for years now. No hate for outlaw though just not...
same
marsh ridge
when I have 3+ melees in the shuffle lobby, I am always in trouble. Any tips for these kind of melee lobbies?
I had 2 DH 2 DK last night where I went to sleep after ending the shuffle 1-5 😦
2DH 1DK
proven kayak
Play disarm try not to relapse your defensive with your healer run when isn’t possible to kill try to use vanishing as defensive you can except if you find kill potential also duel header if needed for you to live
stable urchin
whats the ideal rotation during stealth windows as outlaw?
tawny kestrel
whats the ideal rotation during stealth windows as outlaw?
between the eyes
stable urchin
yeah thats the dream but do we generate cp with ambush only or do we use greenskin on procs too?
safe agate
is numbing poison better than deadened nerves vs melees?
proven kayak
Hehe I had the triple DH Assa lobby the other day
Nightmare
stoic spruce
RAHHHH
quaint cedar
RAHHHH
stoic spruce
the people you play with in shuffle have the same voting power as you
proven kayak
That’s sad
thick slate
Do we wanna play 4p for all 3 specs or is there any spec that goes with nothing more than 2p like sub in s2?
proven kayak
I think sub is a 2p spec but I’m not sure
thick slate
The fuck is up with sub and it being 2p lmao
wary spire
I think sub is pp. 
thick slate
Well is 2p even worth it at this point?
proven kayak
A lot people use it so it might be also shoulders and gloves have good stats
thick slate
I see
proven kayak
I’m not sure I just assuming I play 2p
restive hemlock
Can you not cancelaura Blade Flurry?
thorny sable
Sorry if this has been covered, haven't gotten to play until last night since hot fixes. Does Kingsbane suck now? Last week I would always do between 2-300 k on players with initial hit, now it consistently is only a little above 100k for the initial hit on actual players. PVP dummy is still 300k+.
stoic spruce
I think sub is pp. <:pepeclown:587982298683670551>
thats because you dont think
wary spire
TRUEEE
wary spire
That's the key to my success.
wary spire
His meds?
wary spire
I had a war one time who instantly switched targets when I attacked the one he was on.
The dude wanted a duel or something.
stoic spruce
he was like "dude... fuckin... lemme 1v1"
I bet its nice having bleeds and/or shadow dam
I'm fuggin feelin it rn with outlaw
lone valve
very nice
wary spire
Sanguine blades? 
lone valve
idk, i'm not the rogue, this is a hit my teammate got