pvp

[cursive umbra]

might be mistaken

[jolly bear]

I have no idea idk how to use flightstones or get them I just know they made it cost flightstones instead of honor to upgrade gear and its stupid

bc as far as i can tell you dont get flightstones from pvp

or its really slow

[old brook]

I’ve been getting flightstones from quests in emerald dream. Basically always capped, what even consumes them besides splintered sparks?

[jolly bear]

every piece of gear upgrades

[old brook]

Huh.

[jolly bear]

i have a shit ton of crests no flightstones

[old brook]

Haven’t noticed

[jolly bear]

i wanna get my stuff to 463 so I can just run m+ and get them that way

im so annoyed

[old brook]

Tesota you need some mall ninja daggers in your pfp bro

[jolly bear]

shit you know how to photoshop? lmao

[old brook]

No lmao

Hit up your local mall and flex with some shurikens 😂

[jolly bear]

I got 2 daggers in my room

[old brook]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-hiddleston-loki-thor-tom-hiddleston-gif-10179471

[jolly bear]

brb ss

[old brook]

Get em

[jolly bear]

1/5 lol

some of these games feel like there is literally nothing I can do

[old brook]

Post final board if you got it. Good to analyze

[jolly bear]

I guess im just hardstuck 1400 player lol

[old brook]

It’s rng 🤷🏻‍♂️ play mostly positive and gg

[jolly bear]

well I do half everyon else's dmg but everyone said its fine bc outside of dance u dont do anything but cc lol

but these rounds are all super long

[old brook]

Yeah facts. Every game I won tonight I did half and sometimes a third of everyone else

[jolly bear]

none of them have been quick

all drawn out into damp

[old brook]

Yup - honestly that’s when cc matters most. And mitigation

[old brook]

As rogues I feel like we kinda want it to get into dampen

[jolly bear]

bm hunter said this to me

cuz i almost killed him and then he barely lived and his healer saved him and cc locked me and they won

i said the healer carried that

he said that LOL

i didnt even say anything to him directly

[old brook]

Don’t let some dumb shit bm hunter payche you out bro

We’re rogues - we have that psychological warfare naturally. Tap into it

[jolly bear]

felt like one of the lopsided games where someone is just blatantly below their mmr

[old brook]

Don’t even look at mmr. Look at your own play, all the way to the top.

If someone is doing well, cc them more. Mitigate their dmg harder

[jolly bear]

I try, just feels like it doesnt make a difference idk

like some rounds I was the reason we won

I got the kill

but other rounds i was basically a gnat

[old brook]

It’s not about kills or dmg as sub - you know that. Statistics show every win we have isn’t through brute force.

Set your teammate up. Dunk on their gimp, handicap their best

[jolly bear]

I cc healer and go for kt or wait for shadowy duel and then take them to brazil and delete them

thats what i mean when I say we won cuz of me

[old brook]

I have dmg done and healing done shown with Details, of course, but my favorite are cc done, interrupts and cc broken. Those show what matter to us

[jolly bear]

not cuz I was a dps god xd

[old brook]

Yeah

[jolly bear]

oh or a good smoke bomb

those are legit

[wintry dew]

While reaching 1.8 I had some healers go "lol rogue" when I died. BCS fuckers don't understand assa does not have a lot of defensive tools

[jolly bear]

compared to last season, i never used shiv or smoke bomb or veil of midnight

and i barely used gouge

now I use everything

[cursive umbra]

anyone have a WA or plater profile or anything that shows just needed pets and totems? with BM and Demo taking over its obscene how cluttered minions get

[old brook]

Our toolset is godly

[cursive umbra]

ive tried removing "minor" pets and stuff but its not accurate enough

[jolly bear]

this would be legit

[old brook]

Yeah it would. I don’t, unfortunately

[jolly bear]

i dont think i ahve the brainpower to make that

id have to sit down and really dive into it and figure stuff out to see if i even can

[cursive umbra]

someone must be siting on some gold coding, share! 🙂

[wintry dew]

Compared to outlaw and sub, assa isn't

[old brook]

I’m one of those sub-only rogues 🥲 not familiar with assa except how to kill ‘em lol

[jolly bear]

get their vanish and evasion and kill them lol

[wintry dew]

I kept getting destroyed yesterday by subs

[jolly bear]

at least u have dmg now

[wintry dew]

Didn't matter cause I went agane

My damage <<<<< random dh pressing random abilities damage

XD

[jolly bear]

thats half tyhe specs in the game rn

[wintry dew]

Pretty much Jesus

[jolly bear]

mm, bm, fm, balance druid, dh, locks

enh shaman

[wintry dew]

I didn't mind fighting those specs

But sub/dh...

What a nightmare

[jolly bear]

dhs aint shit i play it as my second

all they have is dmg and some cc

[wintry dew]

In matches vs double melee (dh enemy) I just went their healer

[jolly bear]

they had to give them netherwalk bc of how easy they die

[wintry dew]

Man I saw DHS doing 200k dps

For fucking free

[jolly bear]

true, but at least they die

[wintry dew]

I mean, debatable

If I die first

[jolly bear]

compared to a boomkin or lock i feel like they do

[jolly bear]

oh

play sub take veil of midnight ez

[wintry dew]

I started sub yesterday, SS teleport wasn't working and I couldn't work around it well enough (muscle memory)

[jolly bear]

yeah that shit is annoying

[wintry dew]

So I just went assa to 1800

And fuck it

[jolly bear]

but i get around it by using sprint

sprint into their face and use ss

its not like they can see or stop you

not when ur that fast

[wintry dew]

Unless they also are dhs

XDDD

[jolly bear]

i wait until they use sight

[wintry dew]

But yes your right

[jolly bear]

or go into combat

[wintry dew]

I'm just memeing at this point

I just want sub fixed so I can try to one shot people

[jolly bear]

some specs i just have a bad time into, some i dont

dhs are one of the ones i dont

[wintry dew]

I love caster comps

[jolly bear]

they are dangerous but straight forward

[wintry dew]

Where one isn't a mage

[jolly bear]

dude i went against boomkin mage pres evoker

[wintry dew]

Because mages are the new ranged warriors

[jolly bear]

cyclone, sleepwalk, poly

couldnt play the game

[wintry dew]

Do you enjoy playing against frost mage M

Root 24/7

So annoying

[jolly bear]

true but not as much as when i was a warrior

might as well afk

[wintry dew]

Mood

[jolly bear]

mage is annoying but frost is another level

[wintry dew]

Fire is deleting people, frost is deleting keyboards

[jolly bear]

glacial spiking your monitor irl

[cursive umbra]

maybe these 2 work? https://wago.io/0WHEPOBNz + https://wago.io/2tNhi_id8

in combination, or maybe just hide trash plate

[jolly bear]

weakaura awesome I dont use plater

[cursive umbra]

i think they are plater profiles

im at work and cant really try these, will give heads up after some testing but will be much later today

[jolly bear]

I'm invested now

[tame rivet]

plater is nice

[jolly bear]

loved the neatplates aesthetic tho 😢

time for a change, for the sake of rating

[vocal surge]

pain lost mpre rating

to my internet going out

[wintry dew]

Rip del

😦

Where you at rn? Rating

[vocal surge]

prob mid 1700w

w. the DC

[wintry dew]

Fuuuck

[vocal surge]

the game I lost was a free 3-3 at minimum

because of the DC

[wintry dew]

But you got to 1800 already right?

[vocal surge]

ye

[wintry dew]

Like a boss

[vocal surge]

Me and Welinth got them unchained glad weapons for the set

[wintry dew]

Which ones?

I'm rocking legendary daggers on the elite mog

They fit super well

[vocal surge]

unchained gladiator sword ajd dagger

its the kel'thuzad sword

non elite colorization

[wintry dew]

Oh truuue the purple one

[proven kayak]

You run wound or deadly at assa ?

[wet night]

both x)

or has that been changed, havent checked yet after rework luls

[wintry dew]

With shadenox build I was running wound

[vapid ledge]

Without Dragon Tempered Blades do Wound/Deadly?

I havent played it without that talent so im not really sure what the setup is there at all lol

[spring bough]

You going crit or haste trinket? I’m thinking crit

lol looking at rankings and we have an elite DK and DH. Wow what a surprise

[wintry dew]

Without tempered you can play wound, probably better

[untold sail]

do you prio haste over mastery as outlaw in pvp ?

[wintry dew]

Afaik they are going vers crit> haste but check murlok

[untold sail]

from the people i've checked they seem to go mastery, wondering why

in pve haste is supposed to be ">>>" over mastery

[wintry dew]

Maybe I'm wrong, let me ping the guys @spring bough @vocal surge

Sincethey've been playing outlaw non stop

[vocal surge]

Crit Vers

Set Piece wise, War Mode Shoulders into Catalyst Converter w. Legs

[untold sail]

I know but when you can't get crit which do you get mastery or haste ?

[vocal surge]

haste

[untold sail]

ok ty

are there dr you don't want to reach with vers or crit ?

[vocal surge]

50% vers is a huge no go

you want to dump into crit

you can go beyond 50% vers this season

[untold sail]

does it not start at 30% ?

[vocal surge]

but the rate it increases dramatically decreases at the 50% mark

it does

[untold sail]

ok I see, still more value with -10%, -20% but not -30%, something like that ?

[vocal surge]

ye

[untold sail]

didn't realize it was possible to reach 50%

[vocal surge]

yep

I reached 51% or 52% vers in the PTR

[untold sail]

so how many crafted pieces do you want if you want to reach 50% ? I imagine not a lot ?

[vocal surge]

and rn in live WoW I have 62% crit

just 2 crafted rest gladiator

[untold sail]

that's a lot, do you play with the on use cq trinket ?

since crit is better than haste and the play style is more focused on burst windows, it would make sense to replace the proc trinket with the on use one

[vocal surge]

I havent played w. badge yet

since honor one has haste atm

and trinkets are last in prio

[untold sail]

how do you get so much crit ? or is it buffed ?

[vocal surge]

I have base 35% crit

+7% from enchant proc

+20% from BTE

and if I roll Ruthless Precision, that pushes me to 77%

[untold sail]

you value crit over agi proc for the weapon ? or it's just better to get both ?

[hot ermine]

Anyone lost the ability to sign up for bg blitz? Cant see it as an option anymore.

[vocal surge]

I do both Sophic and Crit enchant

to budget gold

but imo its fun getting extra crit on the opener

[untold sail]

I heard 4pc is very strong on paper but it's just +10 seconds on the buff if it doesn't have much time left

[vocal surge]

It is indeed very strong

because you can permanently maintain 1 rtb buff

and you get 1 bonus buff

so 1 buff --> 2 buffs, 2 buffs --> 3 buffs, 5 buffs --> 6 buffs

[untold sail]

so do you roll every ~15 seconds to get the correct window of remaining time ?

are you guaranteed to not roll the buff that is being refreshed ?

[vocal surge]

depends

if you get the desired rtb buff to maintain you roll after the other buffs drop

[untold sail]

does it select preferentially the one that is about to fall off ?

[vocal surge]

its random

[untold sail]

if you roll when you have more than 15s it doesn't refresh it right ?

so if you have one with 15s left and one with 3s left it might pick the 15s and let the 3s fall off

[vocal surge]

its the same rules as RTB

even with set

[untold sail]

RTB would add full duration + the pandemic remainder right

[vocal surge]

ye

[untold sail]

so under 9 seconds with 4set you would get 19 seconds of buff or is the pandemic relative to the 10s (or however long the 4pc buff duration is) not 30s in which case you'd have to reroll at 3 ?

isn't it easy to miss those windows in pvp situations ?

[vocal surge]

If the last buff is up and the timer is under 10s

refreshing it puts it at 45s

Refreshing it immediately after other buffs drop if I recall correctly still puts it at 45s

and no

pandemic still applies to other rolls

if you reroll em early

[untold sail]

but the buff refreshed by the 4pc is only extended by 10s ?

[vocal surge]

15

unless tooltip changed

its set to 45s each reroll

[untold sail]

from what i'm testing it's +30 seconds on the RtB buff and +10 seconds on the 4pc buff

meaning at 9 seconds I get a new buff of 39 seconds and the old one with 19 s

[strange stag]

do we go mastery or crit as outlaw ?

[vocal surge]

They probably changed it from when I last tested

but if its 10s then ye

[keen magnet]

do we have any sub pvp guide in here?

[untold sail]

that's still a pretty good ratio if you roll at 9 seconds consistantly you have an extra buff 72% of the time

[vocal surge]

yep

[stoic spruce]

Do all buffs have an equal odd of being rolled?

[untold sail]

it seems like you don't have to be under 10 seconds to get the benefit of pandemic, I rerolled one buff at 15s and got the new one at 39 sec and the old one at 19 sec

[untold sail]

yes

[formal jasper]

guys do you got for 2 set this week or weapon ? with ur conquest?

go*

[stoic spruce]

Weapon

[untold sail]

people go for weapon or shoulder/hands with trophies

cq weapon is the least economical choice

[formal jasper]

stunner is there a way to get 2set and a weapon? this week im a bit confused

[stoic spruce]

CQ weapon is quite literally a stat stick and arguably the most important

[vocal surge]

War Mode Shoulder or Glove +1600 Token

thats for 2 set then buy a conq weapon

[thick slate]

what spec are people pumping pvp with ?

and by pumping i mean it literally, like you're smashing most lobbies

and getting random e girls to whisper you

[untold sail]

personally i'm going to wait to get the 4pc asap rather than the 2pc, much higher chance of getting use out of the great vault

[verbal orbit]

How do I upgrade bloody token gear in PVP? At the upgrade dude I can only upgrade it for PVE?

[idle nest]

what weapon enchants for outlaw pvp ?

Frozen and Sophic ?

[wintry dew]

Lady dragon that gives you the pvp quests sells them

[twin burrow]

Dragons are non binary I thought?

[stoic spruce]

what?

[halcyon timber]

Lol

[untold remnant]

When is Blizzard going to fix the Shadowstrike Teleport in BG/Arena?

[untold remnant]

Havoc. 2219 rating currently. Rogue is 1879, but I feel it's bugged..!

[marsh ridge]

true story, frost made me think over how bad I am with rogue

[halcyon timber]

We don’t know other than we know our guy was in here asking about it. Its fixed when they roll out their next big list

[wintry dew]

And it's hard to catch them because fuck you get rooted

[halcyon timber]

Mages need more what do you meannnn

[waxen meteor]

I think Mages are still quite fine against melee, they just suck hard against casters and hunters

[halcyon timber]

Agreed

A good mage is a pain

[waxen meteor]

Like literally got punched by any other caster specs and hunter

[halcyon timber]

Sp is a menace too

The amount of people not killing psyfiend good lord

[thick slate]

havoc isnt a rogue spec my guy

[stable urchin]

are there any outlaw guides yet?

[wintry dew]

Afaik there are no guides yet

[old brook]

Who’s our guy <.<

[olive light]

For 2s with a healer, is outlaw or sin looking to be stronger? I’m assuming they will edge out over sub for playing with a healer but I could be wrong

[proven field]

Prolly the same

Very different but I think you could get the same rating with either

[thick slate]

outlaw's way more tanky than sin though

[ocean thunder]

Is there a concensus on the 2 set-pieces to get?

[halcyon timber]

Our dev and his team. Casually using his name feels inappropriate given how nosy people are and unnecessary attention to things

Outlaw was always the most durable

[spring bough]

Y’all should try airborne for solo and tell me what you think. I was loving it last night

[olive light]

Is the 2s outlaw build looking to be running killing spree? I love killing spree

[spring bough]

I don’t think many will use killing spree

Can be CCed pretty easily and if all your hits don’t hit your target damage isn’t all that good

[verbal orbit]

Thanks!

[spring bough]

Bout to play all night Friday nonstop thru Saturday and push for this elite lol

[waxen meteor]

Health first buddy

[spring bough]

hey siri what’s the minimal hours of sleep needed

[waxen meteor]

Hi Welinth, it’s 8 in average although it’s different per person but most people do need 8 hours

I don’t sound like a Siri

Let me ask Siri this

[spring bough]

8 hours too much 😂

[thick slate]

you swap to CtO when you get 4p

[proven field]

Definitely, but the spread pressure of assa is bonkers too - I think you could hit the same rating with either ultimately, they'd just play very differently

[broken otter]

@halcyon timber I'm the Mage in the bunker =P

[vocal surge]

2 minutes

[spring bough]

Bout to find out how to take micro naps at my desk chair and turn the Que ding into a wake up alarm 😂

[halcyon timber]

Ha right on man, combat will not drop for crap

[broken otter]

haha

[spring bough]

So I’m at work and just saw someone heating up chocolate chip cookies for their breakfast……. 😂

[broken otter]

I had chocolate ice cream for breakfast last week

[spring bough]

Not knocking it one bit now I’m craving them 😂

[broken otter]

and @halcyon timber opened on me as I typed that :<

[surreal barn]

I’ve had a choco protein shake for breakfast the past 10 years

[halcyon timber]

That is a good choice of breakfast

[surreal barn]

I’m prob getting ass cancer

[halcyon timber]

Lol lord

[spring bough]

Is it at least muscle milk protein

[surreal barn]

No

[spring bough]

I used to be on that chocolate protein for years too for my breakfast lol

Then something came out they had some high levels of some metal in it 🤦‍♂️

[surreal barn]

Addicted to the dymatize

[dark copper]

Has anyone else encountered a bug with killing spree? sometimes it does not deal damage at all even though the animation finishes.

[halcyon timber]

Yes a couple bugs going on with rogues atm

The boys have talked about that one recently as well

[broken otter]

@halcyon timber gg, man. You guys put up a HELL of a fight

[halcyon timber]

You as well man, team is sitting around nagging like grandparents

[broken otter]

my team was whining as calling you guys petty lol

I was like "nah, they making us sweat for it, respect"

[halcyon timber]

Better than giving up like a child

[broken otter]

Right?

[halcyon timber]

You queued, you finish it till the damn job is done

[broken otter]

They lost, but they pissed off half my team anyways

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i kept sneaking around trying to steal stuff and such but always strangely well guarded in areas heh

[broken otter]

I was sitting on D semi AFK listening to podcasts on cryptids lol

Kept bumping into you

[halcyon timber]

Lol dang

Yeah was funny

[brisk bobcat]

what's best crafted items right now?

[jolly sierra]

hope they give me a remodel later lol

[stoic spruce]

Doom? Sludge? Thrash? Details are important you know.

[dark kernel]

To the sub Rogues in this community. What are you guys using your first spark for

[stoic spruce]

Are we talking Acid Bath or what?

[brisk bobcat]

wondering the same thing

[dark kernel]

I was thinking of doing the helm, but a lot of rogues are going to be using the tier helm. And are opting not to craft goggles because the mastery doesn't affect Gore maw

I may just do boots first like before.

[brisk bobcat]

we doing toxic boots or indemenity

[dark kernel]

Indemnity, nobody used toxic foods last season except for a few rare cases, and before they got nerfed

Boots*

[jolly sierra]

god no dont use cum boots

i did the same mistake in former season taking advice doing that

[spring bough]

This snare damage embellish seems like it is pretty good. Pirate got one already and it’s doing 20-30k in rated

Usually always get snared so it stacks up pretty good

[halcyon timber]

I played with that last season, it definitely adds up.

[jolly sierra]

cant say its good, it takes a lot of time to get the full stack and hit that amount xd

[spring bough]

Either that or the crit embellish for outlaw id think

Since cloak and fangs all got the nerf stick

[halcyon timber]

Yes wasnt great but wasn’t terrible either

Yeah had to tone down all that junk

[jolly sierra]

try the versa proc embelishment

[spring bough]

There’s a versa one??

[jolly sierra]

the chest which gaves versa w proc to all party

rets specifically used the plate version before replacing it w sporecloak in s2

it gives this proc

[spring bough]

Damn so it’s a set piece then

I was saving my next embellish for helm. I might be the guinea pig and go w the crit embellish

[jolly sierra]

oof

[spring bough]

Figures haste mastery for outlaw is meh on helm so was gonna craft a crit/vers helm. Guess I’ll slap the crit embellish on that

Still no sin duels yet whose gonna be first

[jolly sierra]

im still doubtful about the piece ngl

570 vers for ALL ur party

vs a helm which just increase dmg to target by urself a 1%

[waxen meteor]

i remember this item is vers + haste isn;t it?

[spring bough]

Doubtful on the crit embellish or the vers chest?

[jolly sierra]

sadly has haste

hmmm

wait

@chrome schooner guy excuse me for tagging u but u are the kind of authority here

any thought in what should be our second embellishment?

[waxen meteor]

sold Awakened Ire for 40k yay

i remember end of last season i was asking here if it's still needed in s3

[chrome schooner]

None actually

The cloak is really bad now

So, idk

either the masetry, or the new one if it's good I suppose

[jolly sierra]

no plans about the versa proc chest?

ive seen rets using it well

[sharp sierra]

Hey all, giving sub rogue a go in 10.2 arenas. I have played it last season, but this season seems a bit different. From what i understand we want to set up a massive Goremaw/Secret Tech, and use Perforated Veins to accomplish that. Seems our ideal opener is pretty strict. Does Kidney Shot generate a stack of Danse Macabre?

[wintry dew]

Shadenox is as lost as we all rn xD

[jolly sierra]

yeah

too much nerfs

lol

[spring bough]

Sounds like I’m going zen crit lol

[sharp sierra]

SO strange

rogues are very bugged today

stealth doesn't persist :/

[wanton breach]

whats the new one again?

[wanton breach]

aberrus tier set likes breaking stealth

[chrome schooner]

Something that procs random secondaries iirc

[jolly sierra]

damn second embellishment choice seems tough

[spring bough]

Roll the wheel pick whatever it lands on lol

[topaz delta]

Anyone having a bug when you shadowstrike from stealth it doesn’t teleport you to the target? Seems the attack goes off, just no TP

[spring bough]

Looks like it’s a random stat

Feeling like the crit for outlaw and mastery for sin/sub might be a lil better since it’s not random?

[rustic raptor]

Do we get another catalyst charge tomorrow or is it every 2 weeks?

sorry next reset

[wintry dew]

Every 2

So I'd say next one in 2 resets from now (?)

[spring bough]

Rip to four set on Tuesday 😭

[wintry dew]

Go PvE!

[steel skiff]

Wait...what's going with the 4-piece?

[spring bough]

No catalyst charge this Tuesday it’s the week after

[steel skiff]

ah, right...I was worried they already nerfed the tier set

[waxen meteor]

I think second emblishment is probably not priority anyway

[spring bough]

I kinda want to try toxic boots down the road and see how they do

[wise breach]

Eh, they're nerfed in PvP

[waxen meteor]

atm just use the spark on chest or ring

[waxen meteor]

it's garbo

I tried last season with DH alt

even for DH it's garbo

[tranquil saddle]

could the choker of shielding be the play?

[spring bough]

What’s that one do? Makes me think of lariat. That neck was hot stuff season one for pve. Is it nerfed in PvP?

[tranquil saddle]

a shield on a 3 min cd, used to be stronger than the unnerfed sporecloak, but had a longer cd and did not autoproc

[waxen meteor]

Yes it’s nerfed if I remember correctly

[tranquil saddle]

in pvp yes, but so was cloak and we still used it. it's got a 40% nerf or smth on it

[steel skiff]

I'm waffling between these three for outlaw

[waxen meteor]

That’s the spirit of outlaw man

[jolly sierra]

dont

pls dont

[jolly sierra]

too few absorb for this season

[waxen meteor]

The random secondary bonus seems really low value

[spring bough]

Got it on the toxic boots lol. I’m prob going that crit embellish

[waxen meteor]

I think we can hold on second embellish

[jolly sierra]

thinking the same

[wise breach]

That third one is absolute trash, don't bother

[waxen meteor]

And hope something gets buffed soon and we catch the bus right away

[wise breach]

I tried it last season, not worth

[waxen meteor]

Use the spark on chest or ring

[jolly sierra]

maybe can craft the off hand now

w the spark

[spring bough]

Did they ever guarantee a tier in the vault or is it still random

[waxen meteor]

think still random

[rain beacon]

Anyone try outlaw in pvp yet. I just got some pvp gear the other day but havnt been able to play some BGs yet.

I want to see how our new shotgun dps is.

[spring bough]

Prob averaging 60-70k dps a round. Hit 137k dps in a round last night

Safe to say it slaps lol

[steel skiff]

I've been pvping in RBGs on Outlaw all week. The burst from Crackshot and Killing Spree makes a big difference, but the biggest factor for me is the BtE buff change, it makes a huge difference being able to switch targets and keep the crit...just a great quality of life change

[waxen meteor]

scroll up lol

think it's been outlaw discussion for 2 days

people are rocking with it

someone even decides not to sleep to push before it's getting nerfed

[rain beacon]

Yeah that's what I thought

[rustic raptor]

are we expecting outlaw nerfs? not sure it needs it compared to a lot of other classes

[rain beacon]

I was thinking our new shotgun would be targeted for nerfs. I wanna play some pvp before it does.

[spring bough]

Haven’t seen anything yet fingers crossed nothing happens

[scarlet shell]

hey guys how good is assa

in pvp

[tranquil saddle]

i like it. it's passable

[jolly sierra]

its good af

ngl

gotta try in saturday, i checked my work schedule and can give a try without issues lol

[restive hemlock]

Yea it feels real good. Not a bad time to be a rogue

[peak agate]

I think Assassination is a good spot. It's easier to kill but we aren't as obnoxious as the other two specs to get a nerf because we die easier.

[worthy crag]

set bonus on sin desired?

2p or 4p?

[proven field]

Assa in RBGs and blitz is a delight - the spread and burst pressure we provide is mental and the execute triggers constantly

[jolly sierra]

2p tho

[proven field]

Will 4p break CC?

[jolly sierra]

is not that

it hits way too low

[lucid citrus]

I like 2p on sin

[surreal barn]

You do any calculations on it

I like that it’s somewhat passive I have enough shit to track

[stable urchin]

what should i craft first for outlaw? sorry if its asked 10000 times

[jolly sierra]

40k per double envevom hit

even less if it hits 2+ targets

[restive hemlock]

Gloves and pants for assa tier?

[proven field]

I think the move is craft boots first, get conq weapon, upgrade WPVP and turn to tier, hit 1600 for 2nd tier piece

[waxen meteor]

Based on text 4p seems to be garbage

But PTR guys seem all like it a lot

[keen magnet]

how do I open with assa rogue in pvp?

with this build

[waxen meteor]

tbh i really don't understand why people would take 6th cp talent for sin

[spring bough]

Looks like someone hit duelist as sin in solo shuffle. All three rogue specs ontop the mountain. Elite next up 🙌

[waxen meteor]

Nice!

I am already on alts, damn, it feels fucked

too much workload to max out

[spring bough]

Idt I’m gonna touch an alt till the rogues done gearing and I can just send honor on down lol

[keen magnet]

Assa seems very difficult

can someone please tell me how to open or what our "rotation" looks like in pvp

im pressing random buttons and its not working lmao

[stable urchin]

so i get hands with trophies right?

[hushed kraken]

anyone noticing shadowstrike doesnt tp you to your target in pvp?

[halcyon timber]

Rogues notice everything

[waxen meteor]

I am doing the farming of world pvp trophy and side queuing

[proven kayak]

Yes it’s known issue just pretend it’s not shadowsrtrike and it’s ambush and you will be ok

[waxen meteor]

and it keeps poping up and i went fiinishing

[broken otter]

WW Monks keep knocking me out of stealth in BGs, when I like walked into the area they were in Stealthed for minutes at a time - so they had no clue where I was or that a Rogue was even there

Am I missing something this patch with them?

[stable urchin]

how to beat fist/ret?

[spring bough]

Probably swarm fist get him to bubble then swap ret till it’s off then back to blasting the fist. Less dps fists do the less healing they do

[river pollen]

Havent played this patch yet but im thinking of coming back soon, can anyone let me know how sub rogues are doing in comparison to the previous patch? Like are they better, worse or more or less the same

[spring bough]

Sub is a lot better than last patch

[river pollen]

Thats great

[spring bough]

All the rogue specs are

[waxen meteor]

Warlock 1680 now

It seems this season start is easier than last season

S2 start was a bit challenging i remember

[jolly bear]

I downloaded it and used it in Plater, it seems like it does what its supposed to. no issues so far

[waxen meteor]

Game tries to troll me

instant queue pop

now 27 minutes passed

[jolly bear]

who did u pray to? allah?

oh nvm

dude i got like 4 declines in a row before i got into one yesterday lol

[spring bough]

MMR feels like season one right now

[waxen meteor]

God, rogue queue is tooooooo long

[restive hemlock]

Try assa. I was getting < 10 last night lol

[waxen meteor]

yeah i might swap

[restive hemlock]

My ret was like 40 mins... ffff that

[fiery cove]

when u play fire mage sub rogue do i take thieves bargain?

[waxen meteor]

was doing missions on lock, and queue randomly

keeps poping queue

now doing missions for rogue

missions almost done, poped once

[surreal barn]

Yes

[restive hemlock]

Man there doesn't seem to be an consensus on which 2pc to get for assa. At least according to murlok.io everyone's got a different setup lol

[fiery cove]

ty

[waxen meteor]

Seems to me leg and hand

[ornate sparrow]

Please, someone explain sub rogue rotation with roten build

[waxen meteor]

yeah i feel so

Especially todayy

First day is still a bit hard (wed)

Thursday is really trashy

[spring bough]

thirsty thursdays

[waxen meteor]

I think sub 1800 range atm in NA, most of the warriors are the classic zug zug zug...

[spring bough]

i was doing some 3-3 lobbies yesterday and getting like 30 rating

felt awesome lol

1 honor off completing random BG quest.... lol

[restive hemlock]

And hand you buy the hellbloom and then upgrade to tier? Already bought cq wep

[inner yew]

What talents we running on sin?

[strange stag]

u think it will be easier to grind 2.4 in the end of the season or right now ?

[waxen meteor]

100% end of season...

If you get 2.4 right now, you are basically a r1 player...

[waxen meteor]

I am not sure if hellbloom transfered tier is same as conquest item level

I think it's lower, I personally just don't like to redo gear later

[restive hemlock]

It'll be like 3 ilvl lower than conq

I mean any gear you make with trophies of strife is gonna be replaced with crafted or conquest gear

[spring bough]

yall want to feel young asf? just got my 19th wow anniversary mail.... and i look at my achievements and i have "wow's 4th anniversary" from 11/22/2008

[worthy crag]

I do too

the 4th anniversary is prob one of the more common ones given how popular wrath was back then

[ocean thunder]

god, warrior tears are so delicious 😄

[sharp pumice]

What

Warriors are fucking awesome right now

[stoic spruce]

This sounds like an apples and oranges interaction lol

[waxen meteor]

TBC = Illidan

WLK = Arthas

[waxen meteor]

Has to be

[sharp pumice]

I have all the anniversaries from a long time ago

missed 14 16 17 and 18 tho

got 15/19

[nova viper]

i have only

19

ez

[worthy crag]

sub doesnt even look like it has a higher rep than the other rogue specs

not that its bad, but the pre-season hype and complaint that people had with it def didnt last long

either that or they just busy w/ DH for now

[waxen meteor]

Yeah I don’t think sub is OP

And DH 2 tier seems to enable a new play style, more like s2 build

So even fel barrage is nerfed as expected, DH already has a solution

[worthy crag]

whats their 2 set

too lazy to google

[restive hemlock]

Throws a glaive whenever they blade dance

[worthy crag]

jeez

so, it makes the spec play itself even more than it already does XD

[stoic spruce]

I was just about to fall asleep and then I remembered Outlaw plays around vanish and shadowdance and now I'm mad.

"OuTlaW plAYed ARouNd vANish BacK in ShADowLands" tf okay and? It wasn't okay back then either. Stupid fuckin argument.

From stupid fuckin people.

[waxen meteor]

and according to r1 dh, it's currently bugged because the throw glaive is not doing magic dmg

so dmg will keep upup

[sharp stone]

shadowstrike bug slightly annoying

[waxen meteor]

very

[pliant hazel]

vers/crit still what outlaw wants in pvp?

[jolly sierra]

did a xmog for the saturday w the dreadflame illusion, just got the dark kyrian wings

[stoic spruce]

Niceee

[waxen meteor]

Darkie meimei

I remember this wing makes your weapon invisible during walking?

At least for weapons normally put on back

[jolly sierra]

edgy

[jolly sierra]

nope, still sheathes in hips

so will glow a lot

see

[nova viper]

BIG W

[jolly sierra]

to be trained w style

[tribal badger]

managed to get another 3 games in today before raid and got to 1700

just one or two more for transmog

😴

[nova viper]

seeeexo

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOO

just did a 2v3 in arena w rog

wanna see?

[nova viper]

sure

[jolly sierra]

kk sec

fkn love nitro, i can upload shit without issues

fkn rmp

[nova viper]

Nice

but

[jolly bear]

dude everyone's using mace offhands for sub not daggers

[nova viper]

I really hate these pop-up messages

[jolly sierra]

yeah fuck it

but im still amused by the sub rogue

also

https://tenor.com/view/crusader-crusader3455-wow-spazz-out-beast-mode-gif-25970151

[stoic spruce]

Gaem brok

[jolly sierra]

game machine broke

[gleaming pawn]

that's just zug zug brain

[sharp stone]

so good season inc

played 4 lobbies of shuffle all dks warriors and locksa and priests only

one resto druid

[gleaming pawn]

and the classic "but muh mastery"

and most pvp players being clueless and unable to read tooltips, talents, or think for themselves

[gritty heart]

guys why everyone buying crit vers sets

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHHHHHHH GETTING TO 1800

[jolly sierra]

ME PUSH

[stoic spruce]

ME PUSH

hold up

I wonder

if I take Sting Like a Bee, into casters and run disarm, I can probably do bigger dam

https://tenor.com/view/think-emoji-thinking-gif-11856258

[jolly bear]

well I kept my dagger and mace just in case

[topaz delta]

did we figure out which tier we should be aiming for for sub pvp?

gloves + shoulders?

[jolly bear]

murlok has everyone going for legs and gloves

not many have shoulders

[cursive umbra]

nice! fck i meant to get back to you but my kids got in the way

i installed nahj plater profile together with the teaa script/modding to remove minor plates and it worked good for me

btw fellow rogues, anyone tried the no-secret-tech build that nahj adopted as well? any thoughts? any idea on ideal burst without sectec?

[sharp stone]

sub 2 set is so useless hahahah

[jolly bear]

I think sectech does too much dmg to give up. you pair it with cold blood and you dont have to take trash shuriken talents to get to it anymore so its actually better now

[cursive umbra]

thats why im wondering 🙂

[minor cape]

nahj played with no sectech last season too

[cursive umbra]

but yeah you dont miss out on much taking it so i dont know

[minor cape]

if he was fine with no sectech last season, then he will be fine without it no matter what🤪

[nova viper]

RP PLAYER!

CHAR ON MOON GUARD

[stoic spruce]

jokes on you, thats to send mail to someone who talked shit then /ignored me

[wintry dew]

And you went out of your way to go after him? Shame

[stoic spruce]

I did

and I am not ashamed AND I will do it again.

[wintry dew]

You know you're in the losing side of the deal right?

[minor cape]

but now you have rp player mark

the biggest sin

[nova viper]

so

Have you wasted your time so that the shitstorm stays on yours?

[stoic spruce]

yes

[nova viper]

[upbeat vigil]

talents for 2s, double dps?

[surreal ravine]

are there any weakaura's for pvp

[spring bough]

Looks like someone hit elite in shuffle on outlaw. Season 3 outlaw got its 👑

[wintry dew]

Screenshot for bragging rights

(also with weapon illusion)

[spring bough]

Not me lol I wish

Still gotta push this weekend. Looks like Imapirate got the crown

[surreal barn]

I didn’t see any nerfs so that’s good

[spring bough]

Another week of fun lol

[tribal badger]

@stoic spruce i had the most triggering lobby last night btw

survival/mw/mw/arms/WW

unless i covered my dance by ccing entire enemy team, i just got disarmed anytime i pressed dance button

delete ranged disarms from game thx

[proven field]

Anyone else having an identity crisis right now.. longtime Outlaw who went assa and loving it too

#twosetsofgeartocalmmyrogueslutiness

[surreal barn]

Good thing about dance with assa is the buff alone works on your dots even if youre cc’d

I’m loving assa too lol

[tribal badger]

yea sin makes much better use of dance

even sub makes better

law basically requires 100% uptime no interuption and no need to use cheap to get its full damage off

its annoying

[spring bough]

I got a two lock lobby last night it was a nightmare

Constant fears and horrifies every time I’d vanish or dance

[waxen meteor]

my lock is over 1m HP now..

[hidden dome]

Question

is [Leeching Poison] and [Recuperator] just bugged in PvP?

Even with heal reduction and damp they always heal way less than they should

[tribal badger]

they have pvp modifiers

leech in general is nerfed in pvp

[hidden dome]

Leeching Posion heals about 50% of what it should

and Recuperator heals like 10% or something

I had a 4 Minute 2v2 game

I had s&d running all game

and it healed less than 40k

[tribal badger]

are you looking at individual ticks or just the overall healing

it wont count overhealing

[hidden dome]

overall

[tribal badger]

and it wont heal u at max hp

[hidden dome]

It did 722 overhealing

[tribal badger]

what does it say its ticking for?

[hidden dome]

But I was below max hp for most of the game, since it was against affi anyway

4-5k

but it only ticked 8 times in 210 seconds

[tribal badger]

you know

UHUH slows down the tickrate of SnD by 100X now

i wonder if it also slows down recuperator

[hidden dome]

Could be

My undead racial almost outheals a talent point

[tribal badger]

@hidden dome do you want to test it

if u have a moment between queues

[hidden dome]

If taking [Recuperator] wasn't needed for Acrobatic Strikes I would skip it

[tribal badger]

im TCing whats wrong rn with outlaw chat

but if u wanna test it do this: go to a mob in the world, get down to around half hp, AR > finish > cast a 1 CP SnD > BF > vanish

so you now have like a 12s SnD frozen in stealth

then wait out SnDs normal duration (12s)

and see if recuperator keeps ticking after

[hidden dome]

ok, gonna test

[tribal badger]

important thing to test is

if recuperator keeps ticking

after that SnD would have fallen off

if it wasnt frozen

it seems to be working fine (in pve) for the normal SnD duration

so do a 1 CP SnD to make it easier

[hidden dome]

Ok first thing I noticed is my stealth breaking 3 times in a row on dummies

while I stand 10 meters away doing nothing

[tribal badger]

id go find a mob in the world

or unequip sark cape if u have it on

it does that

[hidden dome]

It was my [Bile-Stained Crawg Tusks] that broke my invis

nah in PvE Recub works fine

[tribal badger]

ok so something to note about it is

it doesnt tick or overheal if ur max hp

[hidden dome]

yep

[tribal badger]

so logs wont pick that up as overhealing

[hidden dome]

ye

[tribal badger]

no clue what culd be breaking it in pvp tho

4k ticks dont sound sus

thats like 50% reduced

which makes sense with MS and damp

[hidden dome]

yep

[tribal badger]

but idk why it would tick so little

if ur vs aff

[hidden dome]

that is a good question

[tribal badger]

other then in pvp ur constantly getting topped then dipping, and its on a strict 2s timer

so like, if ur topped when the timer goes up

u miss a tick etc

then tick down to damage after it

[hidden dome]

wait I noticed something strange

in some arena games I get like 150k healing out of it

but others I get like less than 40k

[jolly sierra]

in assa case

when i dont reapply it inside arena

it doesnt shows

dunno if is the case here too

[hidden dome]

I have a 7 Minute game where it ticked 37 times for 177k healing and another 7 Minute game where it ticked 104 times for 407k

first was against Arms, second was against DH

[twin burrow]

hey, did sub get a 4% damage increase hotfix? im seeing something on mmo but cannot figure out the timing .. tyia

[unique bramble]

How are people getting 2 set already in first week? I understand one is from getting 1600, but where is the 2nd one from that always seems to be 450ilvl?

[tribal badger]

catalyst

is open

they r probably catlysting a purple world pvp piece or a conquest piece

[waxen meteor]

man, sub has so many bug

ss no teleport sucks

premiditation doesn't work randomly as well

[elfin maple]

what items should assa take from tier for pvp? is it gloves + legs?

[lavish idol]

the not teleporting with shadowstrike is a bug right?

[restive hemlock]

That's what I went with

[waxen meteor]

Yes

[lavish idol]

Man, it's terrible. Any idea what causes it or just bad luck

[waxen meteor]

No idea

[proven field]

Global warming

[mystic shoal]

how are yall winnin solo shuffle as outlaw man

im hardstuck 1500 getting matched with idiots

also

does my build look okay?

[waxen meteor]

haha sometimes it feels so defeated when playing against idiots but cannot win easily

heavy burst specs take adv of those idiots easily

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-awkward-awkward-cat-cat-awkward-gif-24906225

[proven field]

here's mine so far

[mystic shoal]

I just swapped to this. You think heavy hitter not worth?

mainly doing solo shuffle

[proven field]

I dunno, im still messing with that side so far

[mystic shoal]

wait I just thougt abt something

do you need to even take subterfuge

[proven field]

not sure if I want to play assa or outlaw tbh, but otulaw when it connects is a blast

yes definitely if you play crackshot

[mystic shoal]

subterfuge is baked into Underhanded Upper Hand

[proven field]

yeah but it's cumulative

you get a 6 second window

[mystic shoal]

so you get 6 secs?

ah okay

i feel like improved mastery is a waste

when we dont stack it

[tribal badger]

ye i dropped imp mastery

think mastery is just dead

[mystic shoal]

100%

since we stack crit

[sharp sierra]

guys can you reccomend an outlaw guide for someone who has NEVER played the spec before

[rustic raptor]

Im praying for good news on class adjustments tonight lol

[spring bough]

According to PVE sims swift slasher is 2k more or so dps better than heavy hitter but idk how much that translates into pvp

[tribal badger]

in sims you have a bloodlust

maybe if you knew you were getting haste buffs in a match?

but honestly im not sure SS is a good choice in pvp

[proven field]

oh imp MG?

[spring bough]

Been using the haste pvp talent idk if that helps w swift or not

But that’s 15% haste lol

[tribal badger]

it does increase its value a bit sure

id need to look at my damage breakdown of melee vs builders for HH vs SS tbh

[spring bough]

Been using that and the 10% damage after the stun I was getting 160k BTEs last night

[tribal badger]

cause the energy gen of SS is a value thats hard to measure especially in pvp where more downtime is involved

[spring bough]

I also dropped CTO for GSW and pistol was going ham and I didn’t even notice a diff losing the extra rtb buffs

It kinda felt incredible

[rustic raptor]

oh thats an interesting change

[spring bough]

So much haste lol

From last night

I’m gonna try heavy hitter later with dropping cto for gsw

[mystic shoal]

Yuh

fuck main gauche

[mystic shoal]

I jjust thought about trying out wickers

[mystic shoal]

ur bold

float like a butterfly so valuable man

i wish I could have the extra damage on the stun

just bring back prey on the weak and replace it w swift slasher

or dirty tricks

ez blizz

also what are u not taking to run Take Your Cut

enduring brawler never gets taken off, then bomb and veil/dismantle depending on who you're up against

[spring bough]

It’s the pvp talent that gives you 10% + dmg after a stun. Still rocking float

So I gave up veil for that

[mystic shoal]

OH you mean turn the tables

thought you meant damage after stun

yeah I wanted to fuck around w it, esp w how many people randomly stun in solo shuffle

seems like it could b worth

[spring bough]

Never got that high of a BTe crit till I started

[mystic shoal]

but idk what the hell I'd drop. Esp w unholy DKs and locks running rampant. Dots are just weighing me down

and it makes it another evasion essentially too which is sick

[mystic shoal]

What your stats lookin like rn?

[spring bough]

27 crit, 10 haste, 13 mast, 30 vers before pvp buff

[mystic shoal]

pretty solid

[tribal badger]

yea i never drop physical cloak vs melee

unless i think theres chance they go me

which si pretty rare

[spring bough]

Feel like after pressing RTB I have so much haste it feels ridiculous how fast everything goes

[tribal badger]

i do drop disarm for turn the tables vs heavy stun comps tho

i mean our gcd doesnt scale with haste at all so, it shouldnt really impact ur speed

all haste does is give more energy at the end of the day

and i havent rlly been having energy problems during my goes

[spring bough]

It still affects weapon speed tho right? Cause it feels like I get so many melees in during my crack windows

[tribal badger]

yes its white hits and energy (white hits give u a ton of energy which is what i meant)

just doesnt speed up ur actual ability pressing (unless ur running out of energy)

[spring bough]

Idt I’ve ran out of energy once in a solo

Wonder how much haste I could drop and still feel that way

[tribal badger]

ya i mean u could try it

cause the thing to remember is thats literally all haste is giving u

auto damage and energy

none of our abilities scale appreciably with it

nor our gcd

[spring bough]

I’m gonna try dropping the RTB pvp talent for veil and keep the dmg one

Also drop swift for heavy and cto for gsw and see how all that cranks

Pistol damage was around ambush with gsw last night might be more with heavy lol

[mystic shoal]

just realized my crackshot was off in this one

swapped

[light estuary]

if i wanna play both sub & outlaw, should i buy conq sword over conq dagger?

[proven field]

Does Summilarily Dispatched trigger when Crackshot fires?

I wonder

woah it does actually

https://tenor.com/view/eminem-serious-face-gif-4375416143388199622

balls it works out to be about dead even dmg-wise over 10M dmg

(swapping fan the hammer for Sum Dispatch)

[tribal badger]

fan the hammer?

like going down to 1/2?

[proven field]

dropping entirely

but i've changed my mind and am immediately deleting wow after fighting destro back to back lol

what the fuck is this, 3M healing 3M dmg, 350k Chaosbolts

100k incin into 300k chaosbolt into 100k conflag and dude heals 100% of my dmg, am I missing something here

this was 3 seconds lol

[fervent cobalt]

stun? kick CB? cos?

[tribal badger]

yea destros pretty good

gotta shut em down

good ones will still do absurd damage even when trained tho

[fervent cobalt]

LoS

[tribal badger]

they can do so much instant now a day

[proven field]

3m healing, dude just stands perfectly still

[fervent cobalt]

they are really tanky also

so hard to even go on them. but best bet to keep em chain cc and kick CB

[proven field]

his healthstone healed for 800k, like am I missing something

on Assa its not bad but on outlaw I just keep getting obliterated

[thorn pond]

Soul burn + healthstone

[proven field]

im just tilted 😒

[waxen meteor]

Fuck didn't realize i did a solo with 3 rounds no poison

4-0 then 4-2 shit

poison should not expire!

[wary spire]

I have a big fuck-off icon that pops up when I don't have the leeching just to avoid shit like that.

[worthy crag]

so like do they just slather leeches on their dagger

is that how it works

[light estuary]

good openers for outlaw rogue?

yall open with shadow dance? or save it?

[proven field]

save it, your opener gives you 6 seconds of pump

when the stars align on opener

Still feels like assa is stronger, but you live so long as outlaw and once you finally do connect, it feels great

[light estuary]

how do you open as outlaw? rtb, AR, cheapshot into dmg?

[tribal badger]

AR RtB SnD into cheap cheap if im the only stunner ambush BtE spam generally

[light estuary]

cheap cheap? do you do any GCD in between the 2 cheaps?

[tribal badger]

no

im just building for my first bte

if im not multi stunning i'll just cheap ambush

[light estuary]

ah i c

[tribal badger]

cause u sap one dude > cheap non kill target > cheap kill target > ambush (if needed) > BtE spam

[light estuary]

[Subterfuge] and [Underhanded Upper Hand] stack?

for 6seconds?

[tribal badger]

Yes

[waxen meteor]

Assasin is still paper

[topaz delta]

what should we spending our spark on, boots?

[verbal orbit]

Is there a consensus what the best way to spend your conquest?

[tribal badger]

no

but weapon or a slot to catalyst

is what 99% are probably doing

[verbal orbit]

I've capped for the week and won't push any more probably so best would probably to wait for vault?

[tribal badger]

if ur not planning to queue anymore and u have far more patience then 90% of people in here (me included) then absolutely

waiting to see whats in ur vault is the play

[verbal orbit]

We'll see if I can resist buying anything :D

[spring bough]

I told myself I was gonna wait till Tuesday to use catalyst and that lasted until I got a piece to convert lmao

[fervent cobalt]

lol

[sharp sierra]

does assa play wound or deadly?'

[wintry dew]

wound

wound + deadly if DTB

[sharp sierra]

whats dtb

[wintry dew]

dragon tempered blades

the assa talent

mid capstone

where it allows you to use 4 poisons

so it would be crip/wound/deadly/mindnumb

[jolly sierra]

i play deadly w hemo

tbh

[lucid citrus]

you do? how does that feel?

[jolly sierra]

ppl is picking it too here

well, its nice

[surreal barn]

That hemotoxin lands me so many kills

[jolly sierra]

i did a 2v3 in a skirmish in last night

against rmp

using hemo

w deadly

[surreal barn]

Yep. It’s what I used on ptr

[jolly sierra]

here

[steel skiff]

I am so energy-starved on Outlaw even will all the energy talents, I’m seriously thinking of switching my offhand enchant to Wafting Devotion for the extra haste. Talk me out of it!

[tribal badger]

its neutral to a gain in pve

so i cant really

[sharp sierra]

does it matter how i apply them

[wintry dew]

with the talent no

[uncut wedge]

anyone can share a list of useful outlaw pvp macros? having trouble figuring out my opener rn

[lavish idol]

best use of?

[sharp pumice]

my warrior got those for free, how did that happen

like what threshold do we need to hit to get that shit

[thorn pond]

I’m going for embellishments

[tawny kestrel]

u literally open an honor box

and u get a quest

[thorn pond]

They just give 2 for free at the begining of the season

[sharp pumice]

oh, lul

random box?

[tawny kestrel]

yes

[thorn pond]

Yes

[sharp pumice]

gotcha, so play more

[jolly sierra]

i tried with a former season honor box

and it gave me s2 grey items

damn

[sharp pumice]

eww

[jolly sierra]

so i needed to go to a skirmish and play again

XD

[restive hemlock]

So does outlaw want mastery or haste pieces for one's that can't be crit?

[tribal badger]

Nobody knows

Probably a wash either way

But mastery can be used for other specs at least

All stats kinda suck for law now

It's a race to the bottom

Vers is

Crit even is mid honestly

But better then haste or mast for sure

And u gotta take something

[restive hemlock]

Is there a good roll the bones weakaura for pvp?

[spring bough]

How close are you to that crown

[steep loom]

on my outlaw i just get to 20% crit and then slam haste everywhere else. nothing shitterier than hitting a low proc run and then energy starving yourself to literal death

[proven field]

I made my own if they'll help

[surreal barn]

Double DH oof

I wouldn’t want to be the healer vs that 😂

[worthy crag]

gaining RSS rating as healer is so difficult -_-

[gleaming pawn]

It’s the same rules as pve so just grab one from there

[restive hemlock]

Sounds good ty!

[proven field]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-well-fine-ok-whoops-oops-gif-20212592

[spring bough]

Double DH sounds 🤦‍♂️. GL. Bout to head home and hit games up all night

[lone yarrow]

Hello! As a sub rouge with full honor gear, what kind of helbloom item should i buy with my bloody tokens and strife?

[fervent cobalt]

Gloves