pvp

[surreal barn]

Better get the 2.1 before the nerf

[waxen meteor]

don't worry, there are 1234382048 specs in front of you

[broken otter]

Dude this SS tele bug is fucking infuriating

I'm so used to it not being broken

that I just stand there out of stealth 20yds away like a jackass

over and over

I cant stop myself :<

[surreal barn]

I can only imagine. I’d meld for an extra teleport

Not being able to would suck

[waxen meteor]

and that mostly destroy open

i don't use cheapshot to open most cases because of that teleport

[worthy crag]

think i just noticed shadow blades rupture ticks break stealth

and put me in combat

[halcyon timber]

Yep its intended and people want to poke fun when i brought it up

Its because blades attacks as intended

[broken otter]

Man, I just rage-quit a losing BG, thinking I'd eat some of the ice cream I just bought and give myself 15min to calm down.

Get deserter debuff

See ice cream was never put in the freezer and has now melted.

FML

[jolly bear]

lmao perf veins + the rotten + goremaw's goes kinda crazy...

[wintry dew]

what build you running btw?

[topaz delta]

have we figured out which tier pieces are best to choose for pvp? sub specifically if that matters

[halcyon timber]

Its not crazy, that is blown out of proportion

[topaz delta]

0 of the tier slots are mastery/vers =/

[jolly bear]

looks like shoulders and gloves

are the least bad options

[fervent cobalt]

how do we get 2 parts of the set?

[wintry dew]

1600 rating free token

[crimson basalt]

Alright

[fervent cobalt]

ahh i see

[crimson basalt]

Let’s do the math here

[topaz delta]

buy 1 conquest piece of gear and convert it to tier at the catalyst. get 1600 for free tier token

[crimson basalt]

Assa rogue rn is to strong

Overtuned

So, okay assa for a bit

And take advantage of it

[fervent cobalt]

But dont we just get weapon first?

cap is 1350

[jolly bear]

trophy

[crimson basalt]

Cuz ppl will take an advantage of assa

So therefore

[jolly bear]

of strife

[topaz delta]

you have to make a decision. buy wep or get 2p

[crimson basalt]

Assa is his rn

Bis**

[fervent cobalt]

I see thanks a ton bro.

[crimson basalt]

But I’m confused where is MFD

[jolly bear]

or get bloody token gear

[crimson basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-angry-gif-20121278

[topaz delta]

yes you can get the upgraded bloody gear if you want to spend your trophy of strifes on it

[jolly bear]

what else are you gonna spend it on? lmao

[fervent cobalt]

I have 2 throphys

[topaz delta]

pieces with actual vers/mas

the wep has bad off stats

[jolly bear]

yeah its garbage

I'll start min maxing after I get my 2 piece

[topaz delta]

managed to get tier shoulders last night from normal raid

[jolly bear]

could figure it out rn but im being lazy

[jolly bear]

you raided? gross

[topaz delta]

ha right

[surreal barn]

I’m running the pick what Zeiss wants build lol

I haven’t looked at the others out there yet. We get so many bottom node choices it doesn’t make a huge difference

[jolly sierra]

who dares to call me

[mystic shoal]

is blade flurry more dam in ST too now

[tribal badger]

no

but it maintains SnD which is nice

[tame rivet]

what's the mentality to play outlaw? i've heard some that's like being on crack non stop and dices make you go cray cray, true?

[crimson basalt]

Sup

[worthy crag]

btw, the cloak pvp talent makes cloak dodge physical hits from behind too right

[tribal badger]

dont think so no

but i havent actually checked

think only dh are allowed to dodge from behind

[surreal barn]

Yes. You can still get stunned though

[tribal badger]

if u can dodge from behind then u should only be able to be stunned by cheap shot since from stealth abilities cant be avoided

[wintry dew]

xD

[jolly sierra]

tsup

[jolly sierra]

no

when ppl does that i just step kidney

works like evasion in that sense

[tribal badger]

step kspree is my new friend

since kspree snapshots ur positioning when u cast it

it will go right through parry/evasion/cloak if you step as you press it

[wintry dew]

not for long

[worthy crag]

thats dope

[tribal badger]

ye its a neat trick @vocal surge found

[chrome schooner]

gloves

[tribal badger]

ive used it to finish off warriors/rogues that use defensives late

[nova viper]

First season day

amazing

[worthy crag]

presses meld

[wintry dew]

@chrome schooner You playing assa? if yes, any build in particular you enjoying more?

[vocal surge]

:3

[nova viper]

bruh

this game is so dead

[tribal badger]

idk if early season actually necessarily speeds up queue time that much

because the ratio of healers to dps doesnt get better

it probably gets worse

[onyx lotus]

they also try to diversify the classes

[tribal badger]

and thats what bottlenecks the queue timer

[jolly sierra]

ive heard that since like 10 years ago dude

at this step its undead

lol

[nova viper]

Healers to be removed

they waste our time!

[jolly sierra]

XD

they need to correct their potty mouth

inside SS

[tribal badger]

healing ss sucks

its no surprise

they honestly deserve bigger bonuses then they currently get

[jolly sierra]

what should i use as assa in RBG?

carnage? spattter?

[waxen meteor]

I actually got 2 of same DPS in my second lobby compared to first lobby lol

[nova viper]

But what difference will it make? "Hi, do you want to get 10 lashes on the back? But for two bars, not one"

[tribal badger]

yea i mean idk its all u can do

we'd all love faster queue timers but nobod ywants to heal

[nova viper]

They should change something in the mechanics of playing a healer. Just to make it more enjoyable

[tribal badger]

and i queue up my prevoker for 30 minutes and remember why i dont want to

design of pvp and how fully random arenas work just sucks for healers

the role that requires the most coordination with ur group generally

yea idk what they could do other then shift to a higher dampen meta where healers just afk heal 40 yards away even more

[jolly sierra]

im going w this tho lol

[chrome schooner]

I like this:
BMQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfsplEhIJEAAAAAASjIlkAAAAAAAlSSChgkkSEEJSikkkEtWLSIA

Idk if it's best or anything, but it's fun. For now I don't need more, it's only the 1st day!

[wintry dew]

♥

[halcyon timber]

Enjoyable for whom?healers are more support now than ever and can offer some damage etc.

[nova viper]

So why people dont wanna heal on SS? Just bcs its "frustrating and toxic"?

[halcyon timber]

Healers are happy from actual healers

No idea man

Prob not accurate

[tribal badger]

i dont think u can change the fact that healers in general just require more coordination/communication from their team then dps roles

and solo shuffle is obviously a game mode where that isnt an easy to do thing

[halcyon timber]

There probably is a metric but people meme and keep spreading hear say

[tribal badger]

maybe adding a default ingame voice chat that lets u chat with "ur side" (opt in obviously)

[halcyon timber]

Agreed

[tribal badger]

like they had in the solo shuffle tournement

[halcyon timber]

It’s a TEAM effort in the end

If people want to be dumb dumb, that’s on them

[nova viper]

But on the other hand - why are we surprised that there are long queues because there are few healers. There have always been few of them in WoW, even in PVE (There were parodies of songs about there being no kek healer), so maybe nothing has changed, we just noticed the problem as PVP players, because we see the actual numbers and we don't browse through the groups in the finder?

[halcyon timber]

Can’t change that

No idea man

[worthy crag]

because people dont know math

[halcyon timber]

In ffxiv it was common to wait 45 min plus for solo shuffle

Just people whined and cheated and queued dodged

Just like now

[worthy crag]

one thing id like changed is people who decline queues repeatedly will be put on a debuff

some healers will just dodge 20 pops in a row for fun

[halcyon timber]

Queue* effin auto correct

[lucid citrus]

@chrome schooner Are you going for any 2 set or 4 set for assasin?

[halcyon timber]

Jackasses who abuse being cute are to blame

[wintry dew]

you having fun demolishing everything? in SS? xD

[jolly sierra]

RBG

[unkempt folio]

Outlaw still vers mastery? I saw on murlock.io ppl use crit gear

[nova viper]

someone play rbg?

[tribal badger]

vers crit

[nova viper]

[vocal surge]

Mastery falls off hard

[tribal badger]

is what most r trying right now

mastery got nerfed

[chrome schooner]

Well on PTR 4Set was really good

So I suppose I will try it out, at least

[vocal surge]

Crit/Vers is stat prio for Outlaw w. some Haste

[chrome schooner]

The thing is it's awkward

[lucid citrus]

Yeahh i was feeling the same way too

[chrome schooner]

Playing set means you really want to press a lot of Envenom, so Deeper & ER & Poison Bomb are good with it, but I want to play Dance and Arterial :/

[unkempt folio]

Thanks guys^^

[spring bough]

We get any duelists yet today??

[jolly sierra]

i did

just won

lol

[nova viper]

big w

[jolly sierra]

this is the safest alternative

instead going SS

at week 1

[indigo ginkgo]

Do I just get clapped in war mode in dragonflight if pvp gear only scales in arena/bg?

[surreal barn]

That was my third 6-0 in a row

I don’t think I’ve done that before LOL

[jolly sierra]

look thinking im capping second slot if i win again

[jolly sierra]

that works w every pvp interaction

[indigo ginkgo]

So even if my stats don't go up I get them if I'm fighting players in open world?

[jolly sierra]

this shit is working

[jolly sierra]

u will scale

even if u fight in outdoor against another guy

[indigo ginkgo]

If that's true I'm very happy, time for violence

[fading blade]

what talents yall runnin as sin

[waxen meteor]

I am capping 5000 soon but i am no where close to 1350 conquest

[spring bough]

How’s that new comp doing for deleting in pvp

[jolly sierra]

i topped the details

and cced a lot

the double feint worked very well

[jolly sierra]

lol u are fast

[jolly sierra]

im running this

[spring bough]

I got my countdown clock couple more hours home from work and time to crush solos again

[waxen meteor]

I did 4 solo, I am 4100/5000

conquest only 650/1350

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[vapid ledge]

Yo @wintry dew you've been super helpful my man. Should I buy the conq dagger first? I'm sub btw

[wintry dew]

Yes, afaik getting the dagger first as sub/assa is the way to go

[vapid ledge]

I believe it's crit/vers? That's the only one right

[wintry dew]

yes

[vapid ledge]

Just wanna make sure before I get it

Thank you so much homey!

[wintry dew]

there's only 1 dagger

[vapid ledge]

Bless

I'm worried about fucking it up

Ty again for being so helpful man

[wintry dew]

I keep getting helped here aswerll

might give something back when i know the stuff

[vocal surge]

pain

[vapid ledge]

Finding my footing slowly but surely

[vocal surge]

got more work after I get back from picking up my sister

[wintry dew]

pain.

meanwhile

[vocal surge]

2hrs of pulling nails from wooden planks

[verbal orbit]

Am I the only one not being able to decide between sin and sub?

[wintry dew]

sub atm is kinda bugged

[vocal surge]

before I can return to SS queuing for another 2hrs

then college

[tribal badger]

why decide

they both use the same gear

play em both

w/e ur feeling at the time

[wintry dew]

SStrike isnt porting for starters

[verbal orbit]

because im pretty bad and I need to play one so I can get at least decent :D

[tribal badger]

both are good

so just pick whatever ur vibing with most

u can always swap and relearn at anytime since all the gear is shared

its one of the better parts of sub/sin

personally id say sub is the most nerf proof spec

since even with damage nerfs it can still be extremely effective if ur good at it

at the same time it takes the most getting used to imo

[verbal orbit]

makes sense

im trying out both in bgs atm

i feel like sub is harder yeah

[jolly sierra]

got MH dagger

and cap

[spring bough]

GG time to rest till Tuesday

[surreal barn]

You got the duelist?

No rest for outlaws

[halcyon timber]

Aint no rest for the wicked, and money don’t grow on treeessss

Good song

CTE yeh boy

[unkempt vine]

Gotta get 7 rogues all capped for extra chances at a good vault bruh

[ocean thunder]

wouldnt it be better to get the wpvp wpn and 2 set piece?

epic wpvp wpn i mean

[jolly sierra]

i have 37% versa atm w the ret

crazy af

[waxen meteor]

Fuck the queue seems so long after i cleared the world quests

[jolly sierra]

logged into the ret after ret

and already fully geared it

at least i can speedrun the gems

bought this too from ah

costed 1k

[waxen meteor]

I did 70 vers + 33 mastery for ret too

[jolly sierra]

yeah its a good idea tho

[spring bough]

Not yet leaving work in 45 then I’m playing all night lol

[rustic raptor]

so how impactful is 2set on outlaw? I just got it and in pvp 5% double sinister doesnt seem like it does a lot, or are we just trying to get to 4set?

new to rogue/outlaw btw

[tribal badger]

its decent

4set will be better for sure

[waxen meteor]

Man how did you guys max out the conquest???

[vocal surge]

Its noticable

[waxen meteor]

It's fucking impossible

[vocal surge]

The biggest bonus is 4p for Outlaw

2p is essentially getting Weaponmaster from the old talent tree

with a 50% pvp nerf to it

[rustic raptor]

kk

[spring bough]

After I got that 2pc and started using heavy hitter ambush was my top damage overall for my solo ques

[rustic raptor]

ok so it does apply to ambush as well

[spring bough]

Think I need to change my rotation cause BTE should be top

Yeah any chance that applies to sinister applies to ambush with HO

[rustic raptor]

sweet

[spring bough]

Think one of my overalls after 6 rounds I had 75 additional ambush procs

[tribal badger]

at 80% effectivness

so its only 4% in pvp

but still nice

[spring bough]

And I probably had 100+ something casts

[rustic raptor]

so 50% of the proc chance at 80% effectiveness?

[tribal badger]

well ambush inherits all proc chances at 80% effectivness

so the set is nerfed by 50% then HO inherits 80% of that

[rustic raptor]

ah ok got it

[tribal badger]

but this is all multiplicative so the order shouldnt matter

[rustic raptor]

thanks for the info

[spring bough]

What’s been all yall outlaws top damage abilities? Think mines usually ambush, dispatch then BTE. Tryna get my bte higher lol

[vocal surge]

BTE > Ambush = Dispatch

That's for +200k DPS sustain

[proven field]

where do you fit in ghostly

[vocal surge]

Macro'd on BTE, Sinister Strike, and Ambush

[proven field]

so you just send it randomly and let jesus sort it?

[vocal surge]

It comes up pretty fast

pog

first balance druid match

[halcyon timber]

FAT ambush

Straight hateful striking yeah boy

[spring bough]

I gotta work on my BTE casts lmao

[proven field]

so pre-RTD, open with CS, Ambush into BTE into Ambush into BTE, drop stealth, use remaining on SND?, pop Dance, Ambush into BTE into Ambush into BTE into Ambush into BTE and then rotation?

and I guess macro ghostly into there

[spring bough]

I got ghostly macro the same way but I put it on sinister/ambush too and don’t even think about it lol

[proven field]

it doesnt eat a GCD?

[spring bough]

Nope

[proven field]

oh shit get off my bars you monster

[spring bough]

One less button to press

I would run the sinister/ambush macro too then one less button there as well

[vocal surge]

Balance druid kinda tickles

lol

[spring bough]

You must be facing a meh balance Druid then lol

Had one doing 2-3 million over me in a round yesterday

[proven field]

Blizz built this in with 10.2 actually

took a min to get used to but it works

and no greenskin anymore?

I dont know if I can handle the loss of mega shot

[vocal surge]

Someone raged

[spring bough]

Fist weaver? Was he getting his ish kicked in? Lol

[proven field]

my first SS was 3 DHes two MW and me - it was soooo not fun

[vocal surge]

Ye XD

[spring bough]

I’ve tried fist weaving some rounds it is amazing other rounds complete garbage lol

[vocal surge]

also he wasn't a fistweaver

[proven field]

actually every round has had 2 DH minimum it seems

[vocal surge]

To give you context how bad it was

that last game before someone quit

the DK and Hunter were both sub 20%

[spring bough]

When I play monk I don’t even sit and cast a heal I just let my DPS aoe heal lol

It can pump pretty decent damage ngl

[proven field]

it's super fun into melee, almost invincible

but against ranged - especially anyone with slows - and it's goddamn awful

[spring bough]

Also has a few oh shit buttons too

Yeah cause no kicks means no heals

[proven field]

I took mine to 1600 or so and then everyone knew what to do

[spring bough]

Then you got DPS running out of your 20 yard range and no heals for them

[proven field]

and you're just like... warrior with no Bladestorm miserable

[spring bough]

No monk for me this season straight outlaw maybe some BM but that’s probably it for me lol

[proven field]

assa is also super duper fun tbh

[wintry dew]

ME: i think im doing pretty good dmg as an assa rogue this arena
DH: doing 150k
ME: maybe i'm not.

[jolly sierra]

im going ss w warr tho

nobody is inviting me to RBG

when im not a rog

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[spring bough]

Maybe we won’t get nerfs and it’ll all just come down on DH lol

[jolly bear]

whats the fastest way to farm flightstones?

[halcyon timber]

No idea why we would when we need to be effective in our windows.

Most cc dependent class

[jolly sierra]

questing

in outdoor

[jolly bear]

i hate that they did this

[halcyon timber]

More opportunities to kill raiders

[jolly bear]

I hate farming flightstones

[spring bough]

Time to start moonlighting as a PVEr again and hit some keys / heroic raids lol

[jolly bear]

god damn it

[spring bough]

Pump pump pump kill those meters lol

[tribal badger]

Same as everyone else

[vocal surge]

That reminds me

[tribal badger]

Pvp trinket and on use or proc depending on what u want

[vocal surge]

Since they changed how upgrading pvp gear works

they might as well make it low end Mythic ilvl when maxed out

[jolly bear]

like why this is stupid

[tribal badger]

Doesn't current conq max out at like pre normal raid ilvl

They hella nerfed pvp gear in pve this season

[spring bough]

You will get flightstones from the PvP boxes

[jolly bear]

pvp gear doesnt even go high

[spring bough]

And will get the 6-10 crests from I think 1800 plus?

[vocal surge]

PvP gear at max rank (Elite) goes up to 463

[tribal badger]

Yea

[jolly bear]

463 vs 489 ok

[vocal surge]

theres no longer a rating requirement to upgrade

[spring bough]

The one thing I noticed yesterday is I didn’t get a single strong box from any wins

[jolly bear]

no shot

[vocal surge]

and conquest gear is time gated

[tribal badger]

That's like entry to normal raid ilvl

It's pretty bad

[spring bough]

Were yall getting strongboxes?

[tribal badger]

Last season it at least went to heroic raid

[vocal surge]

compare that to Mythic+ gear

where people can easily skip to Heroic+ raid ilvl gear

[tribal badger]

Just item requirement no rating

[jolly bear]

heroic would be fine, cuz im annoyed im out here getting creampied by normal mobs

[vocal surge]

Noooooo

[tribal badger]

I upgraded my pvp weap to 463 already

[vocal surge]

A prot paladin lobby

[jolly bear]

in honor gear

[wintry dew]

full upgrade doesnt award elite btw

[jolly bear]

cuz the quest gear is like haste heavy

[tribal badger]

But also the ilvl sucks so

[spring bough]

GG rival try again 😂

[wintry dew]

appearence*

[tribal badger]

Yea

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-jake-the-dog-it-hurts-hurt-painful-gif-16342245

[jolly sierra]

nice i wont complete 1k6 xmogs w bad chars

[sour charm]

Ît has the same apperance

so you can still mog it

but it doesnt show up in the set tab

why? fuck knows

[wintry dew]

the elite appearence?

[waxen meteor]

@surreal barn

[wintry dew]

My ret friend upgraded his legs to max and its the normal appearence still

[sour charm]

Ôh I was talking about the one you buy for 1600

[wintry dew]

thats elite

yeah

[sour charm]

grabbed the shoulders, can mog them, but they dont show up in the set tab

which seems weird

[vocal surge]

Am now

Rival I

5-1'd the prot pally lobby

[surreal barn]

Aww yeah

[ocean thunder]

Tbh I hear assa pretty good, all my lobbies have had DH and i feel like the poor cousin. That and other annoying classers

[surreal barn]

That’s the best lol

[spring bough]

Bro T’d up the trollest class in all of shuffle love it

[nova viper]

wow

i have

40 min que

time

xD

[spring bough]

I wish they would just delete prot paladins out of solo shuffle

Outlaw should be only tank class in there 😂

[vocal surge]

It was Ret pal, UH DK, and Bommy

poor Unholy DK

died in 10 seconds after I popped burst

Not even the guardian angel saved him in time

didn't help he tried to tunnel me so I popped both my CDs (Evasion and CoS)

to negate the Death Strikes

and when he tried to swap targets

Disarm

I respect the boomy lol

the comment he made

You can taste the salt

[spring bough]

Unholy DK still dangerous had one delete a lock on my team last night. Lock didn’t last more than 20 seconds into the match. DK was pulling 100k plus 😂

[ocean thunder]

it's the start of the season, first games in weeks for some, so it's reasonable

[spring bough]

Yeah I can tell with the lack of CC and wild stuff going on lol

[vocal surge]

Poor druid lol

thought they got BoP'd

or another CD

The Prot Pally was like: "But you had the queen"

Me: "I immediately CC'd it"

[surreal barn]

1724 back down to 1684

Aug in shuffle is nuts

1742*

That was a 1/5

[wintry dew]

i keep getting destroyed by DH's, its so lame

they just zugzug

[spring bough]

Try to stun and blind them just lock them up

I go DH every time I see one lol

[stoic spruce]

If I don't use my shadowdance defensively, my teammates die

[spring bough]

I try to sap them off the start too

So they get blackjack

[ocean thunder]

wow faced outlaw dh arms on blades edge, my ass still hurts

[jolly sierra]

went with warrior for my first time ever this season to SS

ended 1-5

O O F

forgot to use the absorb talent against locks

we had 2

heheheeheh

glad im using it as cannon fodder

[surreal barn]

There’s a gladiator mistweaver

[jolly sierra]

did he got the green scaly ferret already?

[wintry dew]

Any goremaw coldblood build?

[spring bough]

guessing solo?

[surreal barn]

Yup

[spring bough]

i have a battle net que right now what is life.... closed out went back in still had it lol

[vapid ledge]

Yeah I just DCed and got hit with a queue

Would assume something is up with it

[waxen meteor]

i am 5000 capped officially but i am no where close to 1350 conquest

did a winter bg

and my win didn't count as a win in quest

100 conquest lost

[spring bough]

You do a bg blitz?

[waxen meteor]

that's solo bg?

[spring bough]

Like 300 conq from a win cause of the two quests for it as well

Yeah it’s the bg blitz

There’s a quest to complete one for 100 conq. 100 conq for winning and another quest to win one for 100 conq

[waxen meteor]

Oh shoot sounds nice

damn it cannot be queued together with solo arena

[spring bough]

Pretty sure you can Que for both maybe you have other ques?

[waxen meteor]

I have a skirmish as well

i am 10 conquest away from 2 tier

[waxen meteor]

Oh you are right, i tried to queu the normal RBG

[jolly sierra]

im seeing a ww monk

being melted every fkn round

[lucid citrus]

Dude sameeee

[waxen meteor]

I saw only one ww

[jolly sierra]

and im getting melted rn w the warr

nice cannon fodder

[vapid ledge]

If I'm making the crafted boots with the embellishment I just use the highest level mats and a conq trophy ya?

[ocean thunder]

highest level mats should only matter for pve, you need the conq trophy and the spark afaik

[vapid ledge]

So I don't fuck with this left box ?

[waxen meteor]

Nononono what are you talking about

If you cast new, you should use the pvp boost item

i think it's the right box

but i couldn't remember on top of my head

[vapid ledge]

Right box is for PvP stuff right? Ignore the left?

[wintry dew]

GZ to the rogue destroying me

[spring bough]

get smoked lol

that is wild damage

[vapid ledge]

I just wanna double check and not accidentally waste a spark

[waxen meteor]

yeah ignore the left box

[vapid ledge]

Thank you

🫡

[spring bough]

why is solo avg que time 22 minutes..... christ almighty lol

[vocal surge]

XD

[floral crest]

Okay goremaw is busted AF lol when is that getting toned down lol

[halcyon timber]

Cds are not allowed to be cds eh? Fine if other classes do it and continue to whoop ass out of cds but not rogues, no sir.

God forbid there was anything cool to use that is effective

[wintry dew]

dh on my lobby

did 200k dps

xDDDDDDDDDDDD

Well ill slowly keep climbing

almost at 1.7

[jolly sierra]

finally won 3 matches as min w warr

[light estuary]

is 2set for sub rogue mandatory? or is it better to buy conquest dagger?

[wintry dew]

in theory you can go 2set and buy dagger

[wary spire]

But... What's in the box?

[light estuary]

by raiding for 2pc and spend conq on dagger?

[wintry dew]

upgrade Wmode pvp gear to 447 and turn it into tier

and once you get 1600 you get another free tier piece

[light estuary]

ah i c

which wmode pvp gear can be turned into tier? the one you upgrade with trophy of strife?

[analog crater]

Just in general, any drastic changes in how each of the specs play with the rework?

i know part of it is dependant on your talents but.

mainly looking at assa and sub

[spring bough]

DH on my lobby....

2 casts of fel barrage

guess how much it did overall

1.82 million from TWO CASTS

429 hits this is absurd where the nerf stick at we taking the DHs out back

[jolly sierra]

balanced

[wintry dew]

balacned

[halcyon timber]

Stacked up padding like starfall

[spring bough]

11 casts for all 6 rounds.... 7.21 million damage

[jolly sierra]

XD

[spring bough]

i cant tell if BM got whacked or if thats actually better?

since the damage will scale with weps now... will they be back to square one at max ilvl? lol

[jolly sierra]

whacked

the off pet was doing a lot of dmg

[spring bough]

so time to retire my BM before i even started this season got it lol

hit that Rival II boys time to keep queing lol

[jolly sierra]

LLLOLOLOLO

guy u are going too far

[spring bough]

gotta get duel then push elite before we get nerf stick

[jolly sierra]

go w it

[spring bough]

ive only done 10 ques

not too bad lol

[vocal surge]

One must imagine Outlaw Rogues happy

[jolly bear]

I dont play outlaw but im glad its not dogwater anymorre

[surreal barn]

Every class is balanced

[fading blade]

sounds like outlaw is the goto in solos?

[waxen meteor]

i think you can go any spec

[jolly bear]

why is every guild i join that has almost 1000 people dead

[waxen meteor]

I saw only one outlaw today in solo and sadly that person went 0-6

[analog crater]

how is outlaw playing in pvp since the update?

[vapid ledge]

Is this the correct way to do the crafting order for the boots LOL sorry im new af

[waxen meteor]

yeah but i don't think you need to tip that much

[vapid ledge]

Prolly not LOL

Thank you again ❤️

[jolly bear]

I feel bad if i dont give at least 1k

but idk how crafting works

[waxen meteor]

they feel good when seeing you

[vapid ledge]

Im using the Verdant Trophy of Conq that gives the highest level PvP scaling?

Just double and triple checking before I send it

Dont wanna lose the spark lol

[halcyon timber]

Correct

Definitely double check

[waxen meteor]

this is not a new blueprint...

that's why i think you really don't need to tiip 1k

[jolly bear]

they're new

[halcyon timber]

I bought an effin axe on accident distracted when my cat wanted to play

[jolly bear]

I'd fight your cat

[halcyon timber]

XD

Hes cool

But was my fault for clicking fast

[vapid ledge]

Why does it show a 1 star next to quality when reviewing my order?

Is that fine or?

[jolly bear]

bc thats baseline

[vapid ledge]

Bless

Im terrified of fucking shit up

[jolly bear]

if the crafter has the experience crafting that it shouls still be at least 4 if not 5

you can always recraft

[proven field]

https://tenor.com/view/seven-brad-pitt-box-whats-in-the-box-gif-3386206

[light estuary]

is there a macro to target your healer or cast shadow step at your healer?

[jolly bear]

probably @arena1

[light estuary]

like /use [@healer] shadowstep?

[jolly bear]

or whatever slot your healer is

oh shit no party1

[tribal badger]

u cant target roles

[jolly bear]

arena is enemy

[light estuary]

issue is party1 and party2 are always different

[jolly bear]

I use framesort it forces healer to be at the top for me no matter what, for both sides

healer blind ^

[steel skiff]

Hey @vocal surge do you mind letting me know what UI that is, it's great

[vocal surge]

the health and resources?

[jolly bear]

looks like a weakaura

evyerthing else looks default blizz UI

[vocal surge]

Its all WAs

[steel skiff]

yeah

[vocal surge]

I made it but not posted on wago.io

[jolly bear]

no shit how

mine are very basic and minimalist

[halcyon timber]

Hand draw stuff and learn to customize triggers etc

[sharp sierra]

Is 1600 really hard to get right now in shuffle?

[vocal surge]

Its actually not hand drawn x)

[waxen meteor]

I don't think so

[waxen meteor]

I reached 1800 in 8 solo

[jolly bear]

I'd like to make mine more cool

[vocal surge]

Solo Shuffle is highly RNG

for good teammates that dont throw

cough cough paladins that dont bubble cough cough

[jolly bear]

me on hpal

[waxen meteor]

I have a big question, how do we pvper get the 2nd half spark

[vocal surge]

could've gotten more wins from this 1 match if the paladin just pressed bubble

or didn't stay meleeing next to the DK and Monk yeeting his hp down fast

while LOS'd from the healer

dude literally dies 20s out the door

and the enemy is already at 20% hp

[jolly sierra]

put 420.69 as tip

[halcyon timber]

AlL tHE rOgUes fAulT

Dingdingding

[jolly bear]

ima do that now

[wintry dew]

As assa rogue

[jolly sierra]

lol gz

[wintry dew]

Lets

fucking

[jolly sierra]

maybe gonna try in monday

[wintry dew]

go

[jolly sierra]

when ppl become dumber

kek

[spring bough]

@drowsy oar you are an animal

[wintry dew]

im tired of going against r1's jesus

[jolly bear]

the R1s are at 1800? well that explains a lot

[jolly sierra]

when i played day 1

[spring bough]

yeah cause they all gaining rating still lol

[jolly sierra]

in EU

i just got r1

played at like 2k MMR

[jolly bear]

dude the people im going against are way above my skill level like i shouldnt be going 2/4 1/5 0/6 ive NEVER been that useless

like no way i got that bad in just a week

got people out here doing crazy stuff ive never seen

like chill bro im not that good mercy

[jolly sierra]

dude

u are playing in week 1

that is normal

[jolly bear]

this si my first time playing week 1

[halcyon timber]

They bleed like everyone else man

[proven kayak]

im gonna play assa aswell

[tribal badger]

everyone who is usually in the 2400+ range

[proven kayak]

for this week tho

[jolly sierra]

then accept it

[tribal badger]

is starting from scratch

[halcyon timber]

Make them suffer

[jolly sierra]

or wait till saturday

[jolly bear]

well at least im not the only one getting rawdogged lol

[jolly sierra]

so r1 pushes forward

[proven kayak]

^

[jolly sierra]

do a lfr

and cap 1 slot

[jolly bear]

this?

[jolly sierra]

well that can be enough

get lfr and u can rest

[wintry dew]

bro i had 2 rogues destroy me

and told them "teach me the ways"

[jolly bear]

the raid lfr?

[wintry dew]

bcs we bros

[jolly sierra]

XD

[jolly sierra]

y

[fading blade]

You craft anything yet

[jolly sierra]

did they teached u?

[vocal surge]

1hr queue

while Welinth gets 3 SS games lol

[jolly bear]

we love it

[wintry dew]

negative

even bought the wrong tier

[jolly bear]

can u link me the WA so I can dissect it? I learn by taking them apart

[wintry dew]

yes

[jolly sierra]

tell me too

XD

[vocal surge]

it has 38 auras

lol

[jolly bear]

step 1, get good

step 2, dont be bad

[wintry dew]

"play op spec start of season, wait nerf, swap"

thats what a glad told me

xDDD

[proven kayak]

which is the best spec for assa rn i can see 2 ppl

[jolly sierra]

FOTM move

[proven kayak]

also idk why some run

[jolly bear]

disappointing

[steel skiff]

I really dig the UI, especially the RtB component

[proven kayak]

dance

[jolly bear]

that is not a problem for me

[vocal surge]

ask Welinth for a g-invite

[jolly bear]

me or kerf

[jolly sierra]

emm

[vocal surge]

yes

[jolly sierra]

MA + KB + more silence for garrote

[proven kayak]

oh

that makes sense

[jolly sierra]

also MFD is gone

so ppl is spending points in lethality too

if u read the tooltip

[proven kayak]

makes sense

[jolly sierra]

u will know the reason

[proven kayak]

can soemone send me a screenshot of what u play might tweak it but idk if needed

i wil lcheck shadenox char i guess

[jolly sierra]

or i can share u his build

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFVVFBVQUVZGJAQCBANVURUUWJQRFiUECVQ

here

[wintry dew]

@chrome schooner btw reached 1.8 with your build

i actually enjoy it

[proven kayak]

ty

[jolly sierra]

np

[wintry dew]

didnt notice sorry

[chrome schooner]

Nice!

[wintry dew]

ill send you the build

oh panda got you covered

[jolly sierra]

always

[wintry dew]

♥

[jolly sierra]

glad the good rogues are in this discord

[proven kayak]

i got shade in a random bg today

[jolly sierra]

this thread is gold

[proven kayak]

tbf sub seems strng but assa is so much more chill some days

also outlaw must be the best spec rn

[ocean thunder]

So at least for assa, I see:

1. get glad wpn
2. get 1600 gloves
3. get wpvp epic shoulders and transform into tier
   could be gloves / shoulders teh other way around right?

[proven kayak]

kinda

[wintry dew]

i got shoulders purely bcs i didnt believe i'd get 1800 for like weeks

[proven kayak]

hahah

[wintry dew]

1 hour later

[proven field]

Grats homie

As assa?

[wintry dew]

yeah

[light estuary]

what's everyone's tier list for the rogue specs? sub vs outlaw vs sin

[proven field]

Nice - csnt wait to get home and push

[wintry dew]

i was too dumb to understand sub LOL (now i do)

[spring bough]

yall wanna see something nasty

[proven kayak]

Idk sub is bugged rn

[ocean thunder]

now the "hard" question, what the burst rotation as assa? (without dance ideally), is there a sticky or something?

[proven field]

Sub S++, outlaw S+, assa A++

[proven kayak]

Subtlety shadow strike doesn’t port you behind

[wintry dew]

i played like an idiot, dot everything, send burst on KT

[halcyon timber]

No mayonnaise

[spring bough]

137k killed lock in 35 seconds of open lol

[proven field]

Gimme your opener, outlaw is tomorrow night for me

[ocean thunder]

i'm mostly perplexed in the order for shiv / tea / deathmark / KBane

[spring bough]

man ill be honest i dont follow a set opener i just smash buttons LMAO

[proven mica]

how does the cold blood->killing spree interaction work? it doesnt make the entire spree crit, but it does consume the CB buff. is it just making the first strike crit?

[vocal surge]

Yep

1st strike crits

rest is based off your crit chance

[proven mica]

dang

[jolly sierra]

easy

shiv> kidney > shadow dance + badge + kingsbane
shiv> kidney > deathmark

try in 2 different windows to make bigger pressure

just use tea when u are starving

i forgot something

[proven field]

My tea usage: “oh god I can’t mutilate - SMASHES TEA BUTTON INSTANTLY”

[ocean thunder]

and dance is mainly for the dmg and the impr garrote on the main target?

because at least in solo shuffle most people are already stun DRed

[jolly sierra]

@wary spire OI WHAT ARE U WAITING FOR TO PUSH 1K8

[jolly sierra]

dance will trigger MA

[jolly bear]

1320 now

[jolly sierra]

read master assassin tooltip and lethality talent

and u will understand how make it better

anyways AFK

[waxen meteor]

Dance you get big garrote

[vapid ledge]

Whats up with the purple hellbloom gear and trophies of strife?

[jolly bear]

its just the better version

[vocal surge]

-58 rating

[jolly bear]

why rage quit? lmao

like why

waste everyone's time for no punishment

[spring bough]

im trying to catch up lol

[jolly bear]

maybe I'm delulu but pirate said to get a ginvite from you?

[spring bough]

idk what that is lol

[jolly bear]

build invite

[stoic spruce]

guild invite?

[jolly bear]

guild*

[spring bough]

havent been in one of them in a minute lol

[jolly bear]

I guess im crazy

[worthy crag]

whats up with shadowstrike not teleporting

[jolly bear]

bug

[worthy crag]

is there a specific condition where this bug occurs?

[jolly bear]

annoying af

[worthy crag]

Its def not every SS but some SS is always failing

[light estuary]

do i need to do storyline quests to get to Emearld dream zone? or can i just fly over?

[worthy crag]

you get an item to skip all the prerequisites but once you actually get there you need to do like 1~2 to enter the zone

[light estuary]

how do i get that item?

[stoic spruce]

have the questline done on one character and youll get it as a quest item as an alt

[light estuary]

t y

[stoic spruce]

y w

[worthy crag]

ok I think SS bugs if it's used on someone who's already in combat

regardless of my own combat status

actually nvm, its just bugged af in so many scenarios

[wintry dew]

Shadowstrike? Yep bugged

A pain in the ass BCS you gotta shadowstep first

[jolly bear]

god damn I got oneshot by enh shaman

[sharp sierra]

Lol

[waxen meteor]

Is enh shammy still that rng?

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[jolly bear]

i just evaporated

ceased to exist

[jolly sierra]

O O F

[tame rivet]

pvp tier content creators: always ench is in the dam ground, F tier, no doubt
ench sham always actually: instantus deletus

[spring bough]

im using airborne and its kinda good with a lot of pet adds and druid trents

[jolly bear]

1415 cr

im not getting smacked like a newborn deer anymore

[spring bough]

i just ripped a 6-0 at 2k lol

one mroe lobby i feel it

[proven field]

Because they are made of paper and if you CC ascendence you crush them

[spring bough]

i think im gonna stan for airborne in solo shuffle lol

just makes everyone confused i love it lol

[lucid citrus]

1800 done as sin

[jolly bear]

nice! im at 1400 i just want my token lol

[visual flume]

hey guys, what is the best race for outlaw? still orc?

[jolly bear]

whatever race you think is the hottest

if you like dommy mommy orcs, go for it big dawg

[worthy crag]

dont you definitely want to be nelf as outlaw since subt is 6 seconds long now?

I mean i've seen orc outlaw rogues but that sounds like huge value

[spring bough]

WE HIT DUELIST BABY

[stoic spruce]

I had to delete that addon

[spring bough]

didnt like it??

[stoic spruce]

It was cool and all but was way too much for me lol

[jolly bear]

which?

[stoic spruce]

Yulu ui

[jolly bear]

idek what that is

[stoic spruce]

It's pretty insane

[spring bough]

just a general ui compilation

[jolly bear]

if my elvui wasnt perfect i might consider switching

[spring bough]

has a little tweaking you can do to it for your own class some shaman made it

[jolly bear]

but my profile is tailored specifically to me over years of tweaks lol

[stoic spruce]

I need something with personality and doesn't look modern

Hmmm

[jolly bear]

just tweak elvui tbh

[stoic spruce]

My search continues

No

I've tried on multiple occasions and I can't STAND it

RAHHHHH

[jolly bear]

you can disable the elvui skins and keep the functionality

thats what id do

[worthy crag]

do ppl have a good way of re-targeting after pressing shadowy duel

cuz it detargets

[steel skiff]

Anyone know yet if https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=208746/dreamtenders-charm is worth it in PvP for Outlaw?

[spring bough]

i think we want to use the snare one

[spring bough]

1701 damage stack per snare up to 20 on you and then it adds 30k damage to your next melee

and its not nerfed in pvp

[jolly bear]

this pic is what I use and I also use tab target enemy players

especially with demo locks or bm hunters

[spring bough]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=205171/figurine-of-the-gathering-storm this one for outlaw @steel skiff

[jolly bear]

or UH dks

[worthy crag]

hm, so it requires some form of tab targeting or manual targeting after pressing it

[jolly sierra]

fem panda thicc mommys

[spring bough]

Ima be forever convinced nelf rogue is a cheat code cause of meld

[rustic raptor]

ghostly strikes is off cd im having a hard time remembering to hit it, is it worth macroing it in somewhere or do i just need to get gud

off gcd

[spring bough]

Should put it on ambush/sinister or BTE or both

Then no need to remember and it’s almost always up

[rustic raptor]

kk thanks

[jolly sierra]

guess my class

[spring bough]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Pandaren_(April_Fools) one of the pandaren empire?

[gleaming pawn]

furry 🙂

[jolly sierra]

besides that

lol

[gleaming pawn]

I really cannot decide what spec I want to push with. Sin and Outlaw are equally fun but the polar opposites in gearing is annoying

[jolly sierra]

class class class

[jolly sierra]

try assa

[gleaming pawn]

looks like a brewmaster monk

[jolly sierra]

close

[waxen meteor]

Got the flag at keyboard 8

[jolly bear]

furry

[jolly bear]

gottem

[jolly sierra]

forgot that shit was there

lol

[jolly bear]

how important is conq weapon for sub?

can I stay with honor weps and focus on gear or is it like, mandatory

idk how weapons affect our dmg

[proven field]

I jsut do not get this outlaw rotation with pumping crackshot windows

[halcyon timber]

Important like any class

No weapons = fish stick hits

[jolly bear]

so I should buy conq wep before anything?

[halcyon timber]

Up to you, your character man

But it is encouraged

[jolly bear]

I dont feel like I know enough to make that decision is the problem lol

[waxen meteor]

You can live with world pvp upgraded weapon as compromise if you do feel 2 tier sets change everything

I don’t think it does

[proven field]

It feels like once the dance is over, I slowly lose dps and become energy starved, i gotta be missing something

[jolly bear]

oh.

offhand dont matter right?

[proven field]

medium matters but not like MH

[halcyon timber]

Style points

[jolly sierra]

main hand is mandatory

asap

[jolly bear]

okay I'll get conq wep rn. can you explain the mechanics tho? like what exactly is it that makes it so strong? we use agility and our mastery and vers, those are all modifiers. why does the wep matter so much more is what i wanna understand

[halcyon timber]

Attacks scale off weapons and then stats. That is why.

Back when weapons were weapon damage it mattered a lot more but is still very important

Stab someone with dookie honor daggers vs king stabber and you’ll physically see

[jolly bear]

so this 811 max has a huge effect over the damage output over the 637 from the honor wep

[halcyon timber]

Comes down to the coding and such and how item level plays a part these days

[waxen meteor]

I thin ambush/shadow strike starts from weapon dmg

If I remember correctly

Even evis was

[halcyon timber]

Yessir

Its like 150% yadda yadda x y z

[jolly bear]

okay. what about the dmg trinket? where does that fall in

[halcyon timber]

Just an agility amp

[halcyon timber]

Er primary stat amp which further amplifies the other stuff discussed

[jolly bear]

I dont have it but idk how important it is over certain gear pieces or the offhand for example

[waxen meteor]

Off hand doesn’t really matter

Stay with panda’s choice or wpvp one

[jolly sierra]

it scales off the dmg directly w the wep

[jolly bear]

so main hand, gear slot pieces (not cape or bracers for example), then trinket, then offhand then bracers/cape?

[jolly sierra]

if u wanna know the difference

buy a cheap ass dagger

put it in MH with ur good wep in off hand

then flip it

and watch backstab dmg

comparing each other

[waxen meteor]

For this season tbh, go main hand, one piece of tier and exchange 1600

Then this season seems to be whatever next

I probably will do some crafted ring next

[jolly bear]

I am gonna do the necklace for the extra gem slots

[waxen meteor]

It will probably take me 3-4 weeks to unlock 4 tier anyway

Well based on my luck level probably 5 weeks

[jolly bear]

damn I got 6k vers

[waxen meteor]

What spec you playing

[jolly bear]

sub

[waxen meteor]

Vers probably less important than sin/outlaw but still quite good, I don’t know 6k mean how many % though

[radiant glen]

ayoooo got my enchant

its ugly as fuck but another one collected

🙏

[waxen meteor]

Oh nice grat!

Just stay with s2 one!

Probably best ever

[proven field]

you guys ever find sometimes when you dance, your BTE doesnt reset CD and just sits there

ah balls

not even for the buff?

oh right it will apply then anyways

yeah I suck at this version of outlaw lol

you jsut get instantly CC'd the moment you dance

or they fly to goddamn africa

[restive hemlock]

so can you just swap out evis for BtE on your dance/stealth bar then?

[pliant hazel]

anyone know where u can buy last seasons pvp gear mog?

[restive hemlock]

can't till next xpac

[pliant hazel]

damnb

[exotic dove]

Well hit the 1600 today got the tier token. Lost against Petkick on that journey three times and fought Pikaboo on his war and lost that too lol. Did it though lol

Sometimes I wonder if I enjoy punishing myself playing the first two days of the season lol

[proven field]

ok 5-1 next round, starting to get new outlaw

[exotic dove]

What build you going for outlaw? Im not too familiar with it much anymore even when I did ptr. Been an Assa/Sub only guy for past few years

[proven field]

it's a hectic mess of a spec for me right now - even when you get solid dance windows, sometimes BTE refunds like all your combo pts so you gotta go so fast but also not burn a GCD double-capping combo pts

if you get real lucky it refunds 2-3x in a row and you jsut send unhealable dmg out

then mapped trinket to dance, ghostly to SS and Ambush, and wrote a few WAs to track RTB, SND and Dance windows

oh some point I have reduced Blind CD but I farted around and forgot to swap back

[nova viper]

Human female is BIS

[pliant hazel]

is anyone using old tier still?

i have all the 476 honor gear not sure if i should

[exotic dove]

I want to use old two piece for sub for a while but I cant in SS cause IL will be too low even with trophy weapon and crafted boots

I am able to in 2s and 3s though

Only spec where I want to run old 2 piece

at least for now

[untold remnant]

Nice panda heritage armor you got there!

[jolly bear]

how did I get 3 solo shuffles in a row that left before the 4th round

please someone explain

im so mad

[nova viper]

Do poisons on sin rogue matter? xD You take them depending on who you play as or always the same set

[untold remnant]

I think leaving doesn’t drop MMR, so people might leave when it goes south. But that might not be true

[tribal badger]

nah it does

people leave to punish the other people in the lobby

u get no benifit from leaving

u get max loss to CR and mmr

but u prevent the others from getting any conquest

and screw with their rating gains

its just for the toxicity

[wary spire]

Weekends.

[jolly bear]

lol

almost double the healing

[cursive umbra]

well, if the priest didnt have to heal..?

the dps might just be the difference

(and not in output but in smartness)

[jolly bear]

we ewre not having a good time lmao

im not getting flightstones from boxes

[cursive umbra]

isnt flightstones what you get when youve caped on the crests?

and they increase crest cap weekly