Its payback, its not broken
#pvp
worthy crag
yeah im not sure i follow converting world pvp for tier
wouldnt that just scale to 3 levels lower than conquest
halcyon timber
Correct
tribal badger
bro how
tribal badger
i went 4/2 in 2 2100 lobbies in a row
and got 300 rating per
🥹
this climb
is so slow
tribal badger
how is a 4/2 2100 lobby worth 300 cr from 0 rating
halcyon timber
spring bough
idk i was in a 2k one and did the same got 300 too for the fist lol
it went fast for 2,3 and 4
worthy crag
first time trying sec tech and it annoys me infinitely that it is an aoe that breaks CC
maybe ill just go for evis only build with 2 set
spring bough
1788 after 6-0.....
fucking sweating
i went wpvp shoulder to tier, conq mh wep, tier legs from 1600 and boots
worthy crag
Yeah think ill do the same
in the end, wpvp gears all get replaced with either conquest or pvp-crafted right?
cuz they scale higher
tranquil saddle
what's the conq cap this week?
spring bough
1350
pale storm
i went wpvp shoulder to tier, conq mh wep, tier legs from 1600 and boots
Does the wpvp tier scale same as token tier or is it lower like wpvp trophy ilvl?
spring bough
its 486 ilvl just 3 less than the conq at 489
pale storm
Yeah, still worth for conq MH and 2 piece week 1
spring bough
i just annihilated the lobby i was in lmao
102k dispatches, 81k flurries, 134k and 130k BTEs
how is a normal BTE doing more than my crits lmao
thoughts on dropping hit and run + precision to get more dps talents like heavy with swift ? use ripstose to get down to ace instead
spring bough
yeah i left that mess to do elites and WQs in azure for it lol
jolly bear
like bro wtf
worthy crag
wtf is up with demo lock dmg?
tyrant got 1 cast off the game and they are still top dmg
jolly bear
I read it was busted
worthy crag
felguard and dreadstalker is like 51% of their total dmg
pet modifier must have gotten lifted or something
jolly bear
shadow finishers not working still 😩
spring bough
This seasons tabard actually looks nice on the tier
Might be some motivation to finally hit elite somehow someway lol
jolly bear
pay people and download scripts and kickbots! thats hows everyone else did it at the end :^)
lot of fun to play against that!
agile estuary
What outlaw build peeps runnin?
agile estuary
what talents bcuz mine aint doin that
gleaming pawn
besides warrior enrage, is there anything we are shiving for dispel? Having a hard time justifying a point in shiv as Outlaw because I don't really ever have a hard time keeping someone slowed or staying on top of them
jolly sierra
nah its mostly for slows
ivory radish
is everyone playing outlaw or is anyone sub/sin? crit vers for outlaw but wbout sub/sin?
rustic raptor
is it crit/verse for outlaw ive seen some ppl running mastery and been trying to figure that out
spiral patrol
!fuu
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lament tartan
Hey guys, what are we thinking for tier pieces Sub and Outlaw? i'm assuming both spec goes 4 piece and both wants to avoid the 1 haste piece right?
spring bough
think people are avoiding the helm
worthy crag
Since the stats are all bad I think ppl (at least those on Sub) are trying to get tier set from the least stat pieces
which means gloves and uh
shoulder
they also happen to give mastery which isnt too bad
tame rivet
5-1 to get to 1868 lmfaoooo
my boi we here up in EU don't have s3 yet, pls chill
jolly sierra
just 30 more minutes
spring bough
my bad lmaooo im just geekin real hard on how crazy this feels for once lol
tame rivet
yea but it will never be that smooth for me 
spring bough
all xpack and we had to wait till season 3 lmao
tame rivet
for real? I cant wait to jump into outlaw too, after some failed attempts on sin on s1
proven field
102k dispatches, 81k flurries, 134k and 130k BTEs
Can you link your build
potent pivot
is everyone playing outlaw or is anyone sub/sin? crit vers for outlaw but wbout ...
ver/mast for the other specs generally
proven field
woah, honor gear being green scared me
sharp sierra
what weapons will outlaw use from new gear?
worthy crag
I think you people want to be using crit vers
so choose from axe/mace/sword that has crit
sharp sierra
aight
sharp sierra
mastery sucks for outlaw?
spring bough
@proven field
worthy crag
ace up the sleeve and stuff.
proven field
so what's the burst rotation now for outlaw? I never used dance before
it was always a pump ambushes into 7pt dispatches into instant pistols
felt nice actually
worthy crag
fit in as much between the eyes as possible in a dance window
spring bough
i try to open with a cheap, snd, ambush start BTEing when full, right as subterfuge wears off dance or vanish do it again then do dance or vanish again and if you got meld throw that in too
pretty much just pump ambush to full CP or pistol and smash BTE while in subterfuge
jolly bear
they also happen to give mastery which isnt too bad
the stats they gave us were disgusting
not even gonna bother with the 4 set
spring bough
realized that i have gotten 0 boxes from winning any pvp within the last couple hours
worthy crag
Yeah, going for 4set is a pretty big compromise on vers
spring bough
yall getting strongboxes?
sharp sierra
what was your first craft as outlaw
spring bough
made them pvp boots
rustic raptor
Whatre your stat % rn
proven field
ah right because of the btw stealth interaction
spring bough
prob gonna do helm with the new embelish for the stats for the second one
proven field
bte*
spring bough
30crit, 11 haste, 33 vers, 13 mast out of pvp
proven field
im sitting at liek 75k sustain at outlaw but just not seeing the burst I see on streams
meanwhile in assa you can hit 150k dps np
sharp sierra
i see a lot getting the boots
spring bough
just gotta get that crack window down
get a good crack window rip like i did earlier can do 900k dmg in 12 seconds lol
proven field
damn, ok its next to try
sharp sierra
crafting the boots worth it now to use trophy on for outlaw?
spring bough
have fun yall
jolly bear
damn dude I felt like I couldnt do anything during my solo shuffle rn
boomkin is just too insane
still went 3/3 but I shoulda gone 4/2
agile estuary
can someone link their outlaw talents
ivory radish
^ was gonna ask the same
rustic raptor
after having a miserable time in 2s with sub i went into shuffle as outlaw and can confirm this feels insane lol
ivory radish
what talents u using
jolly bear
same
rustic raptor
BQQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfsBAkQSSSSgIhkIQkkmkEtkIlkAAAAAAAlWIhkEFSKRAAAAIJJA
jolly bear
what should we use them on first?
rustic raptor
im just copying what others have posted im not very experienced in rogue but it feels pretty solid and super fun
melts peopel
fervent cobalt
yyo is SS bugged? not teleing atm
spring bough
prob a few days
bleak slate
think its worth using 4pc 1h/3n for assassination pvp over the pvp gear?
old brook
Getting a bug on multiple characters where Shadowstrike isn't porting to the person, just hits from ranged. Consistently occurring in pvp. Works fine against dummies and pve mobs though...
lucid citrus
Anyone know what tier pieces to go for sub?
main cove
!fuu
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jolly bear
neat
jolly bear
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oh this is not for pvp
worthy crag
Is it possible to loot the pvp recraftable reagent this week
aside from conquest
like, from a box
jolly bear
you mean the conq trophy?
worthy crag
umm, yeah.
jolly bear
worthy crag
Someone was telling me that they got one from somewhere
Idk where or how
Yes, that.
jolly bear
you literally just win a ranked pvp match
you get the two most expensive ones free
idk what other embellishment to use now that we lost sporecloak
worthy crag
huh, idk what I missed
i queued quite a few
oh it was the most un-pvp-related-looking quest item...
in my bag..
jolly bear
yup lol
maiden gull
anyone got a link where i can see the stats on tier pieces?
jolly bear
no problem I help where I can lol
maiden gull
so we can get 2 tier pices this week?=
jolly bear
oh yeah I got that for free lol
jolly sierra
no fkn ill pay that
jolly bear
if there's no enchanted crest on it then theres no reason to charge
jolly bear
people fall for it thats why
the crafting system is confusing
especially for casuals
jolly sierra
im asking my guildie
to do that
later, when ppl wakes up
now im going to sleep cya
jolly bear
gn
jolly sierra
gn
next locust
playing echoing reprimand?
maiden gull
i played 3 shuffles at 2,2k yesterday, every game vs DH . DH had 10 Mio dmg more than 2nd
next locust
you use it for ruptures/?
proper heath
yeah especially at the start when nothing is happening
nova viper
i played 3 shuffles at 2,2k yesterday, every game vs DH . DH had 10 Mio dmg more...
play DH
maiden gull
people say outlaw is s tier lol
next locust
if played properly, wouldn't be surprised
maiden gull
at high mmr u dont have the uptime you need to be s tier at least in shuffle
next locust
seems to have a high cieling for dmg
maiden gull
assa flops easy so it needs high dmg
proper heath
play it now before it's Assa Season 1. Remember that shit? Insane first 2 months. Unplayable when it was time to push glad.
proper heath
Echoing is good. Why do u not like it?
next locust
i don't like gaming combo points, just seems silly
jolly bear
isnt that more of a bonus and not a req?
next locust
if not a req, why press it
jolly bear
lucky 7 cp fniishers
gleaming pawn
ER hasn't been a "game" since early SL
you land on the point, you send a finisher
nothing to game about it
proper heath
i don't like gaming combo points, just seems silly
Its pretty reliable to hit . You have shiv and bone spike. Both 1 CP abilities to get you to where you need to be.
if you overshoot, thats great, I'm full combo points. If you undershoot. Just use +1 moves to hit . 7 point envenoms are like 80k
It's huge
next locust
i prob just over think it.. i'm sure it's not as big of a deal as i think about it
i remember it being good to amp up dmg and force a pally bubble, vanish out, and then actually send big dmg
proper heath
Its just what else do you take
echoing is 2 points. Worth potentially 12 combo points.
gleaming pawn
Tea and Dance 🙂
proper heath
Tea and Dance 🙂
we take tea. Dance is .... oof
I made a pact with myself, if I played dance as assa. I might as well play sub
halcyon timber
Evisc isnt doing shadow damage in pvp as it should and shadowstrike isnt teleporting or doing the increased damage from the first strike. Dark shadow was 30% for this past week in pvp and it was taken back down to 20% today boys. Other shit is nerfed as well but you have to read tooltips (unannounced stuff)
rain beacon
do we still want Vers/Crit pvp gear?
stable urchin
Wait sub isnt op afterall?
thorn pond
do we still want Vers/Crit pvp gear?
As sub you want to prioritize Vers/Mastery
rain beacon
ill be outlaw
gritty heart
Wait sub isnt op afterall?
sub is better anyway
thorn pond
what is the best items
Beside the embellishment (boots and the other one not sure), I’d say craft pieces to replace PvP ones that have crit / vers with mastery / vers
At least that’s what I’m gonna do. Maybe not the most optimal roadway
rain beacon
so everyone is sub in pvp i take it
Im going to test out the new outlaw and see if I can kill people with BtE, like hunters kill people with machine gun.
EXCEPT WE GOT SHOTGUN
hmm
nova viper
First conq items should be weapons?
rain beacon
nobody talking about outlaw so I guess I will find a guide
stoic spruce
First conq items should be weapons?
yes
thorn pond
First conq items should be weapons?
At least the main hand
thick slate
What spec is everyone using for their first solo shuffle queues?
nova viper
assa i guess
thick slate
Ive been thinking about outlaw since its finally good
thorn pond
Ive been thinking about outlaw since its finally good
Honestly play what you want / enjoy
thick slate
Idk its way too different from both sub and assa
You play aggressively
And can be very disruptive/annoying
stoic spruce
i dont like outlaw spells
uhm erm they dont have spells they have abilities ☝️ 🤓
nova viper
uhm erm they dont have spells they have abilities ☝️ 🤓
ok
The thug-adventurist concept doesn't buy me. I'd rather be an assassin than a bandit with a sword and a gun 
stoic spruce
its not thug anymore
jolly bear
its not thug anymore
yeah thats a slur now
simple crest
are we massively bugged in bgs? im in arathi blizzard. my shadowstrike doesnt teleport me but hits the target and unstealths me where i casted it at. i ran up the hill from mines after vanishing, and i was still auto attacking the target i was fighting at mine,
stoic spruce
yeah its bugged atm
halcyon timber
are we massively bugged in bgs? im in arathi blizzard. my shadowstrike doesnt te...
Yes and eviscerate doesnt do shadowed finishers and dark shadow is back down to 20% instead of 30% (secret tuning that was unannounced)
heady locust
what epics are you guys buying for outlaw?
vapid ledge
First purchase for Conq should be weapon right?
stoic spruce
main hand yes
thick slate
what happened to s2's conquest ?
vocal surge
what epics are you guys buying for outlaw?
Infurious Feet
Figurine of Gathering Storms 2nd Slot
thick slate
did they get converted to gold ?
stoic spruce
silver I think
vapid ledge
main hand yes
The crit/vers Verdant Gladiator's Dagger?
stoic spruce
what spec
wintry dew
what happened to s2's conquest ?
Only honor would not be removed from a season to another
wintry dew
Infurious Feet
Figurine of Gathering Storms 2nd Slot
What's that second one
simple crest
i did killing spree into blade rush and the game kicked me. lol
vapid ledge
Wasnt sure if I missed something
torn stump
what about sub's talent [Finality] in arena's value?
vocal surge
What's that second one
Being slowed increases auto attack damage by 1.1k
torn stump
pve is 15%/30%, what about arena?
vocal surge
Stacks up to 20 times
heady locust
Infurious Feet
Figurine of Gathering Storms 2nd Slot
Thanks. Are you buying 2 weps or 2 piece tier? What are you buying with 1600 token?
simple crest
this is weird. my main attack macro that uses ambush in stealth and ss out of stealth doesnt switch to ambush in shadow dance, but does when i get the ambush proc
vocal surge
Conq Weapon, w. token Chest
and if Catalyst Converter is up (dont remember if it is), Shoulder into Tier
heady locust
and if Catalyst Converter is up (dont remember if it is), Shoulder into Tier
Cong wep this week and next week shoulder into tier?
heady locust
Okay, I already bought wpvp epic wep
vocal surge
Ooof
wary spire
I've tried law yesterday. Got humbled by a hunter of all things.
heady locust
So do you think I'm better off buying conq shoulder so I have set and wep next week?
I appreciate the info
wary spire
Also snd sucks on law even more than on others.
vocal surge
Ye, just to maximize your ilvl
heady locust
Ty
indigo ginkgo
Is the catalyst my only option for set pieces if I only pvp?
wintry dew
Fastest way to 2 piece is 1600(?) For free tier token + catalyst this week
untold sail
hey, anybody knows if verdant tether procs off slice and dice hots or is it active ability heal only ?
vocal surge
oh my goodness
I hit a hunter so hard
they turtled, feigned Death and huddled in a corner with flare
and after that turtle ended, I shadow stepped and just popped em
untold sail
Epic WPvP Shoulder into Tier
do you still get the -3 ilvl when you convert to tier ?
vocal surge
Ye
The difference is almost insignificant
Just makes that piece one of the last ones to upgrade by the end of your gearing process
untold sail
what embellishments do you run now with all the nerfs ?
vocal surge
Infurious Feet
Figurine of Gathering Storms 2nd Slot
this
That's what I plan on running
not sure about what others will run
untold sail
so the stat proc on cc + 1% damage when you get slowed ?
wasn't the second one lacking last season ?
vocal surge
Figurine of Gathering Storm is not the 1% damage
thats Infurious Helm
Figurine is +1.1k damage per second up to 20 stacks for next auto attack
while slowed
untold sail
do you know if verdant tether can proc from slice and dice heals ?
vocal surge
Never tested it in PTR
untold sail
any other good options ? nothing seems outstanding
sharp pumice
kek, warrior seems fun
vocal surge
same outlook on other embellishments as ya
untold sail
do we know when the quest that gives two trophies of conquest will stop being greyed out ?
apparently you get it from doing a normal bg ?
cursive umbra
For gearing SUB, i saw Nahj do the following;
-
Craft helm with the spark of dreams you have and with the token you get from first win in a season /flier-thing
-
Buy legs from 1600 token (tier)
-
Buy hellbloom gloves from trophies of strife (convert to tier)
-
Buy conquest dagger
-
get mastery embellish
-
get infurious boots (later with 2nd spark ofc)
My question is, anyone figured out a better path?
Is 2set really good for SUB? Nahj was playing sub but maybe gearing something else 🙂 4-set doenst seem worth is it?
vocal surge
almost fully honor geared pog
vapid ledge
Could someone explain how to convert pieces into tier? I have actually no clue what I'm doing or where to start lol. Legit a bit overwhelmed with what to do lmao
thorn pond
For gearing SUB, i saw Nahj do the following;
- Craft helm with the spark of dr...
I don’t get why craft the helm. The honor one gives mastery / versatility. Seems like crafting chest or shoulder is a better call (since you’ll want to get gloves and legs if you run 2 tier piece) . Or is there something I’m missing ?
cursive umbra
I don’t get why craft the helm. The honor one gives mastery / versatility. Seems...
I dont know, this is what im wondering. I also dont quite understand crafting helm 🙂
but Nahj did craft helm 100%
maybe cuz crafting helm is better for outlaw/assa?
i dont know, just thinking out loud
(if you want to spec-swap)
thorn pond
Personally, I’d go for wpvp gloves, leg tier piece from 1600, conquest main hand. Then crafting-wise no clue, generally I just replace crit / vers PvP gear with mastery / vers crafted. Still don’t know if I’ll go for embellish first or not
cursive umbra
yeah ill probably do same
but we dont go 4set as sub right? even 2set seems low but i havent been able to test any myself (live or ptr)
thorn pond
I think we loose way to much stats by going 4 set. 2 set is a nice boost, even if we use SecTec
cursive umbra
yeah probably
wintry dew
Could someone explain how to convert pieces into tier? I have actually no clue w...
We can convert S3 items into tier pieces with the catalyst system (it recharges every two weeks afaik and we start the season with 1 charge). You gotta use a conquest piece (head/shoulders/chest/pants/gloves) or an upgraded warmode pvp item (upgraded with trophies of strife) (same slots) WARMODE PVP UPGRADED ITEMS HAVE LESS 3 ILVL THAN CONQUEST
We can in theory be 2 piece this week, because if reach 1600 rating, you get a token for a free tier piece,
(aware because there are PvE and PvP pieces)
chrome schooner
We can convert S3 items into tier pieces with the catalyst system (it recharges ...
So upgraded wpvp item put through the catalyst = max pvp ilvl set piece ?
And not 3 ilvl below like wpvp gear ?
thorn pond
So upgraded wpvp item put through the catalyst = max pvp ilvl set piece ?
It will keep the wpvp iLvl. So yes, 3 iLvl below conquest gear
wintry dew
And not 3 ilvl below like wpvp gear ?
It will be 3 Ilvl bellow yes
As said above it's just for minmax conquest items and tier this week.
Since this way you can go 2 set piece + conquest weapon
wary spire
But that'll send you behind on catalysts, no?
Maybe for peeps with multiple chars that's the play.
wintry dew
But that'll send you behind on catalysts, no?
Wdym
wary spire
Well in the end you would swap the wpvp tier for the conquest tier purely for 3 ilvl, no?
wintry dew
Maybe, but those 3 ilvl won't make or break a match. And this is just min maxing.
You could obviously skip the weapon and get a bigger conquest piece for catalyst + 1600 token piece
Ending up with the "right" items for tier but losing a bunch of DPS (afaik weapon is the biggest upgrade you can have) by skipping the weapon
wary spire
I just like the feeling that I'm geared in bis. 
wintry dew
Yeah that makes perfect sense dw
In the end, you'll end up with 8 catalyst charges and not have use for them
sour charm
Love waiting 20 minutes on a shuffle and the guy that goes 0 2 then afks out
stable urchin
where can i find updated talent builds?
wintry dew
In theory is day 2 of the season, people still trying stuff
wintry dew
Any sub rogue having success in SS already?
broken otter
Sub Rogues, what are you spending your Trophies of Strife on this week? I know I can get the dagger, but it’s haste.
proven kayak
Sub Rogues, what are you spending your Trophies of Strife on this week? I know I...
Gloves
proven kayak
before I step into SS or any rated content lol
Good choice I will do the same
tardy magnet
anyone got an outlaw rogue ss build they could share?
wintry dew
@spring bough could provide his, man already at 1.8
vocal surge
anyone got an outlaw rogue ss build they could share?
take off Swift Slasher and Improved Main Gauche and go Heavy Hitter
and thats his build
vocal surge
boutta enter my first SS match lol
wary spire
Kick their asses!
vocal surge
my stats rn lol
Unmodified
33% Crit
15% Haste
13% Mastery
40% Vers
I just slapped someone for 77k damage
1 melee attack
Not an ability
1 melee attack
alpine tinsel
Is Assa running dance?
wary spire
Only for law?
vocal surge
Aye
I made it in S1 to help me deal with sensory overload
on Mythic Sennarth and Kurog
wary spire
I made it in S1 to help me deal with sensory overload
I get you, sensory overload is a real issue in wow.
vocal surge
Ye
Talking about the Autism Sensory Overload lol
Had to use guild breaks to close my eyes and turn off my monitor to snap back
surreal barn
my stats rn lol
Guild Wars 2 vibes
vocal surge
1-1 -.-
Healer decided to CC enemy healer
instead of healing
I hate Blades Edge
4-2 first game
At least I got my conq weapon now lol
vocal surge
Unsure
Thinking of either getting cloak or weapon next week so I have 2 Trophy of Strife for the week after
for Chest, Head, or Legs to convert
If I pick cloak, I get 4 left over for Week 3
then I can go for any of those 3 and have 2 left over into another 10
placid cloak
i think getting trophy weapons and getting conquest tier set should be top prio
else wrist/back for mastery
vocal surge
Im outlaw lol
Mastery is really bad this season
gets outscaled by raw HP and damage from other abilities
placid cloak
idk about outlaw so not even gonna comment, but i still think trophy weapons are easier/faster to get for only 3ilvl difference and you get guarantee 4set
vocal surge
Yee
The trophy weapon does have crit on it
which is good
and I can convert conq pieces for max ilvl set items
alpine tinsel
Everybody's running dance.
dope thanks
Is there kind of standard/meta build for Assa currently that anyone can link so I can see whats going on this season
ocean thunder
well, there's a lot of choices to be made for Assa builds, dance or not, arterial precision or DTB
the WPVP epic items - you don't upgrade to them you buy them from scratch? so you dont need the rare versions?
vocal surge
Theres a frost mage and a ele shammy
Bro
I just got a killing blow
with a melee slap
6 round win
the fact that whenever the enemy team runs
while im slowed
makes it so much worse when I catch up
Moment I get back into melee range
Blade Flurry into a SLAP
Literally nuke the enemy team with a Blade Flurry that hits for 140k 1 melee hit
(more around 160k realistically but my goodness)
the 5th game of that match
I was the focus target
and my health slowly moved lol
chrome schooner
Has anyone tried the new embellishment in PvP already ? with the nerf to Sporecloak i'm not really sure what is best besides the boots
surreal barn
Has anyone tried the new embellishment in PvP already ? with the nerf to Sporecl...
I was literally just reading up on that
I’m believe I’m going to try it out on the engineering helm if it procs from bleed ticks
tribal badger
engineering helm?
surreal barn
I got three rogues man, this one is going max versa
tribal badger
oh you mean non embellishment
wary spire
Ye what helm
tribal badger
ye i usually make engi helm and bracer
spring bough
6 round win
Almost more overall than the DH… when can we say rogue is S tier in general lol
surreal barn
Sub felt it last season lol
tribal badger
i dont think u can put embels in engi slots tho
id love to put my patch on my engi bracers for pve
tribal badger
man i only got 2 rounds before raid last night
had a 45m queue, then a 30m queue
lament tartan
So the verdict is out, Crit for outlaw PVP?
lament tartan
sad
remember when Vers mast was BiS for the 3 specs last season?
as a 3 spec player, i miss that
elfin maple
is there sub talent build somewhere for solo shuffle?
spring bough
I think I was averaging 50% or more on some of my abilities for crits last night lol. BTE averages more cause with all RTB buffs it’s close to a 100% chance to crit
lament tartan
im just really scared that they nerf outlaw to the ground and then all that crit gear conquest was wasted on them
tribal badger
yea i dropped the 5% mastery chance talent to pick up HH
i think i might just ditch all mastery
it feels really bad
hitting for 30k on 900k hp pools
🙂
spring bough
Heavy hitter feels like it makes sense
If you use the RTB pvp talent that’s +15% haste no need for swift slasher
lament tartan
how's crit for sub and assa right now?
spring bough
Was close to 50% haste with that buff last night and with stealth haste buff
tribal badger
how's crit for sub and assa right now?
id say extremely bad
tbf i think every stat for outlaw is just bad in pvp
and crits the least worse
we went mastery cause they nerfed crit in s2
now they nerfed mastery again, crit didnt get any better
u just gotta take something other then vers
personally i will be stacking as much vers a possible, followed by crit
lament tartan
ahhh
tribal badger
outlaw lost 5% base procrate from talent tree
which is an ~8% nerf to masteries raw value
lament tartan
That is so unfortunate if you enjoy Sub as well while conquest is being gatekept
like trophy of strife weps are either vers mast or vers crit and i want to choose the best option for both spec seems just undoable :(à
tribal badger
if u wanna multi spec
id say law with mastery is probably less bad then sub without mastery
so id just pick up the mastery weapon
but also i dont think there is a mastery dagger?
ocean thunder
About gearing, I see some people getting the wpvp epic wpn and set piece, is that the recommended option ? Since you can have 2piece this week this way
tribal badger
and sub doesnt use slow weapons so
lament tartan
Sub use a heavy hitting off hand tho no?
lament tartan
why is palumor per example with the cudgle vers mast in offhand?
tribal badger
last season offhand was a stat stick
this season they buffed shadowy tech so having a slow offhand is probably inting
but i suppose only time will tell
spring bough
I wonder if that Nick of time dagger is nerfed in PvP. Can you get it as 483 ilvl?
tribal badger
u can ye from vault
tribal badger
or eventually upgrading?
i assume theyll make it so u can upgrade to max vault eventually like they did in s2
either way, it would be interesting to test
wintry dew
Hopefully
tribal badger
OH stats r almost meaningless so if the proc does 1% of ur dps in pvp
would probably be worth using
proven kayak
My only problem is I don’t know which embellishment to do helmet or boots
tall marsh
spring bough
It’s at wellspring overlook north west in emerald dream there is a FP in the town
NPC is Theozhaklos
waxen meteor
My only problem is I don’t know which embellishment to do helmet or boots
Why helmet
More chest vs boots isn’t it
Oh if you play outlaw maybe
spring bough
Chest and legs both crit / vers right?
vocal surge
Ye
nvm
legs have haste
Now I have
2 Embellished items, 2 set pieces, AND 1 Conq weapon
:)
tribal badger
im def going engi helm
i just wanna max vers
vers is so good for outlaw in pve its even going to close to third DR with it
if anything its better in pvp
lament tartan
how'S the toxic boots with toxic patch in pvp for sub and for outlaw?
spring bough
Getting the conq wep and hitting a Que after felt amazing. That big ilvl jump from the honor we was so noticeable lol
tribal badger
pretty bad all those damage proc type embellishments r fairly nerfed in pvp
stats r usually better
waxen meteor
how'S the toxic boots with toxic patch in pvp for sub and for outlaw?
Not good
tribal badger
but i might just craft my toxic boots to pvp ilvl anyway cause im spending all my sparks on pve stuff for awhile
😴
spring bough
2 Embellished items, 2 set pieces, AND 1 Conq weapon
How do you have 2 embellish items already??
vocal surge
Remember I have boots
tribal badger
well u have 2 sparks as of this week right, so you should have 2 crafts
vocal surge
Infurious boots
waxen meteor
You can have 1.5 sparks now only right)
lament tartan
yeah 1.5 only i believe
tribal badger
probably last season boots then
spring bough
I got 2 sparks last week cause I handed in one for the quest
vocal surge
spring bough
Ah gotcha lol
waxen meteor
That’s 450
vocal surge
spring bough
Thought you had two 489s lol
vocal surge
sitting at 35% crit / 12% haste / 13% mastery / 41% vers now
spring bough
Feels speedy doesn’t it lol
I love it. Feels like I’m always crushing finishers lol
I can’t wait for that four set next week extra RTB buff going to feel amazing
tribal badger
is 4set even nerfed in pvp
how would it be, its not giving a numerical benifit they could cut in half
maybe the buff duration is cut in half? lol
waxen meteor
How can you get 4 sets next week
vocal surge
2set is nerfed in PvP
tribal badger
yea 2set is cut in half
its just a 10% thing
but 4set is an extra rtb buff, u cant exactly cut that in half
vocal surge
btw Welinth
tribal badger
vocal surge
with set
waxen meteor
Is it 1 charge per week or per two weeks
tribal badger
per 2 weeks
vocal surge
lol
tribal badger
theres no guarenteed 4set next week
i assume he means if he gets lucky
actually ud need to get lucky and get a pve piece to get 4set next week
vocal surge
the new report feature in WoW
feels so dystopian lol
"Message seems too offensive"
rustic raptor
anyone find any benefit from using regenerative leech on cloak as outlaw instead of speed?
wintry dew
Any sub rogue playing without coldb sectech?
lament tartan
i play Bolderino spec
he has Sec tech and Flagelation with Thistle tea but he isnt running CB, uses symbold on goremaw then flag, Sec tech and spam finisher to stack mastery
this would be his build @wintry dew
ocean thunder
do we get wpvp wpn and one glad piece?
spring bough
actually ud need to get lucky and get a pve piece to get 4set next week
Vault tier luck and convert 4pc acquired GG
spring bough
It’s not every week??
spring bough
maybe the buff duration is cut in half? lol
I think the duration of the additional buff is halved but either way still huge
tribal badger
ye still pretty massive
thorn pond
why is palumor per example with the cudgle vers mast in offhand?
The only correct reponse is to transmog Thunderfury, can’t do that with double dagger
vocal surge
62% crit rate
halcyon timber
The only correct reponse is to transmog Thunderfury, can’t do that with double d...
Just for stats and a weird swing timer. Nothing more
Minimal difference
vocal surge
Ye
spring bough
warrior icons
Outlaw fury
mystic shoal
goated
mystic shoal
gaming
vocal surge
77% crit rate on abilities
halcyon timber
lament tartan
outlaws, insigna or badge?
spring bough
@tribal badger thoughts on crit on use or haste trinket
mystic shoal
what y'all crafting first for outlaw
spring bough
Most probably going stat boots
mystic shoal
Most probably going stat boots
what ilvl can ppl craft to rn
tribal badger
i dont think commiting so much power to a 1m window (i assume ud want it with dance) vs the raw sustain pressure from proc trinket is better
but i might try it out
vocal surge
DH really needs to get tuned
jolly sierra
managed to get my guildie to upgrade my boots FOR FREE
instead the fucking 10k the guy was charging me last night
tardy magnet
wait so is crit/vers prio for outlaw?
old brook
Are no other sub rogues having issues with their Shadowstrike, from stealth, not porting to their target? It's only working in pve and on target dummies — but any sort of pvp including duels/bgs/arenas are just popping me out. Confirmed across three of my own rogues, even with addons all turned off.
halcyon timber
Yes and shadowed finisher’s doesn’t work at all on pvp
old brook
So all sub rogues aren't porting with shadowstrike?
halcyon timber
Correct
halcyon timber
Yep stinks but nothing we can do man
lament tartan
except going outlaw for now haha
halcyon timber
No thank you respectfully, aint my speed
wintry dew
We old right
untold remnant
Sub is bugged as fck atm
wintry dew
😦
vocal surge
he decided to swap to DK when he should've kept chasing lock
halcyon timber
Dh did get tuned yesterday
vocal surge
and DK clapped him hard
jolly sierra
fkn 3 button spec
halcyon timber
Talent changed for them the notes read
vocal surge
Hotfix>?
vocal surge
That's good
halcyon timber
Some other dh nonsense i dont speak as well
vocal surge
Yee
If the DH ran from DK
we would've won from attrition
because DK cant kill me and I can keep him CC'd a lot
spring bough
Sounds like the pally I had hitting the hunter with monk bubble last night… if he swapped ret with me woulda been a KO
Let me just hit this guy that’s taking no damage and not switch to the ret that’s about to hit 30% 🤦♂️
vocal surge
yeee
about to break 1700
but only got time for 1 more SS before college
then imma nap for next class
spring bough
I gotta get thru 6 more hours of work 😭
proven kayak
Are no other sub rogues having issues with their Shadowstrike, from stealth, *no...
Yea happened to me aswell
spring bough
Yeah that teleport aent stoppin yall sub rogues… already a duelist sub for solo shuffle as of last night
It’s gonna make yall even deadlier when it’s fixed smh
halcyon timber
then imma nap for next class
Yeh im in between classes , about to go to tutoring then work for a bit
halcyon timber
Sounds like the pally I had hitting the hunter with monk bubble last night… if h...
People are chuck-e-cheese animatrons
jolly sierra
spring bough
I have FOMO right now lol
halcyon timber
Felfire bbq aura is a bit silly stacking what 3x?
lament tartan
Welinth, what build are you using for sub? i can't seem to be able to 100-0 someone in a duel
if they have no external or trinket
halcyon timber
They have a crap ton of resource generation
spring bough
Not playing sub only outlaw for me lol
lament tartan
oh, i thought you said you were duelist sub rogue in solo shuffle
halcyon timber
Welinth, what build are you using for sub? i can't seem to be able to 100-0 some...
We were nerfed over night secretly
lament tartan
really?
spring bough
Was saying a sub already hit duelist and that’s without SS teleporting…. Sub is strong lol
halcyon timber
Undocumented rogue changes
Rogues are good but ape classes still ape
Cc tax is vetoed
karmic finch
Why does all the R1 subs go hand and pants 2set when we have crit mastery shoulder tier?
spring bough
Maybe cause of main stat and vers?
halcyon timber
Preference most likely for stat budget
Crafted items can make up the difference either way
They def took the nerfs off demonology as well it seems like as a science experiment
thorn pond
Why does all the R1 subs go hand and pants 2set when we have crit mastery should...
I think the tier legs give a lot of vers even though it gives crit (basically 2.5x more vers than crit). And gloves give a lot of mastery beside the crit (2x more mast than crit)
karmic finch
I think the tier legs give a lot of vers even though it gives crit (basically 2....
So its mainly because to minimize stats other than vers mastery makes sense thx
tribal badger
we r actually pretty good into those
u can basically always have a stun up for guardian
and our defensives r basically immunities vs melee
so we just avoid damage rather then needing healing
thorn pond
So its mainly because to minimize stats other than vers mastery makes sense thx
It would be my take on the matter yeah
halcyon timber
FOr tHe lIghT
spring bough
I had one que last season was 4 wins off duelist. Got hit with a prot paladin lobby then it took me a week to get back lmao
broken otter
Are no other sub rogues having issues with their Shadowstrike, from stealth, *no...
Yes, as of season 3 start, it's not teleporting me.
thorn pond
Yes, as of season 3 start, it's not teleporting me.
Let’s hope it’s patched soon
vocal surge
Prot Pally guardian go brrr
I want Blizzard to implement a class blacklist for queue
spring bough
The 9 I had last night were all crits lmao. I had the good RTB buffs for crit
tribal badger
just wait until u queue into brm/bdk
at least prot pala u get a mirror matchup with both as healers
spring bough
Outlaw feels so bonkers I’m loving this lol
tribal badger
brm and bdk just take a dps slot
halcyon timber
15 back to back Crackshots
vocal surge
Yeee
spring bough
Has anyone hit a 150k BTE or more yet
tribal badger
and their entire thing is basically in pvp they make their allies take reduced physical damage
spring bough
I got 134k on a normal BTE last night lol
tribal badger
so they screw over physical damage classes super hard
and casters basically ignore them
the dumbest design
spring bough
Anyone struggling against any classes right now? Felt like they all went down pretty easy yesterday. Was chasing frost mages down deleting them lol
vocal surge
Just DHs and Ferals
spring bough
Step, hook and blade rush make it so easy to not get kited lol
cursive umbra
vers > mastery > crit > haste for SUB?
vocal surge
Yeah
DH's does so much damage
its hard to compete against them for killing blows
I don't die from em as much but they nuke my teammates
spring bough
I can maybe see outlaw skirting by some nerfs for a couple weeks cause DH on everyone radar lol
vocal surge
DH and Unholy DK on the radar
cursive umbra
outlaws on the radar lol what you guys talking about?
just use it whilst its good but nerfs inc
vocal surge
Outlaw isn't being talked about in the forums
as much as DH or DK
and Outlaw isn't as OP as those 2
We're in fact lower rated compare to the other rogue specs
tribal badger
think sub def sees nerfs before law lol
sub does its damage in a way that frustrates players far moreso then outlaw
worthy crag
so elite gear is counted as "veteran" tier gear for pve, which is equivalent to...LFR and +2~8 keys?
thats so piss low
lament tartan
pvp talents for Outlaw? what are we looking at
tribal badger
outlaw is more of a staller while sub just wins the game at anypoint with a good setup
lament tartan
enduring, veil and?
sharp sierra
wow 10 disconnects
stoic spruce
Tbf outlaw doesn't have a lot of players.
It's not a popular spec
Which helps us a lot
jolly sierra
worthy crag
idk, been seeing mortal strikes uncritting for 130k
and demo locks topping dmg with dreadstalker and felguard
not sure sub is high on the list of OPs
untold remnant
It's not, cuz of the nerfs last night
wintry dew
What nerfs?
tardy magnet
i have zero clue what rogue spec to paly
tribal badger
the one u find most fun
if u dont know how any of them play then the one that sounds the most fun
subs the control/setup/kill in a kidney king, sin has a ton of sustain pressure and strong CD windows but is the least mobile/defensive
outlaw is constant high damage but the least burst and is the tankiest/most mobile
tardy magnet
i played em all and find them all fun, thats the issue 😭
tribal badger
then play sub/sin cause they share stats basically and u can get 1 gear set
if u gear up for law this season ur locked into law until u have the resources for a second gearset
🥹
tribal badger
is sin going for haste now? thought it was also going for vers and mast in pvp
worthy crag
vers will always take place as #2 or #1 stat no matter what spec you play
tribal badger
u dont go for crit on anyone but law
tardy magnet
well fuck i didnt know that
tribal badger
to be clear, i havent played sin this season, I could be wrong
but last i heard they were also vers mastery stackers
tardy magnet
fuck it ill go assa
havent played it in a while
anyone got a talent build for assa? 😭
broken otter
I'm a bad Rogue, like really bad, but everyone in here has been saying Vers/Mast for Sin, this season.
lucid citrus
Why is people choosing legs for a tier piece for sub?
visual flume
Man I'm getting blown the fuck up as Assa 
sour charm
Almost like the entire assa community in this discord begged for some defensive buffs and what we got was more leech (doesnt work in pvp) and a second charge of feint.
tribal badger
ye sins still the squishiest by far
which doesnt sync up super well with also being the least mobile
does good damage at least tho
sour charm
Yeah Sin is gonna have really fast games
either you kill in your second kingsbane
or you are toast
at least in shuffle
vocal surge
imb4 DHs burst go brrrr
maiden gull
Outlaw feels bad against plate in shuffle tbh
vocal surge
I havent had much problems vs plate
spring bough
Didn’t really notice last night was just deleting plate lol
vocal surge
lmao
spring bough
Wars go zug zug behind a pillar and boom stun crack window dead
Then you in lobby w them next round and healer calling them a moron 😂
spring bough
Maybe w more gear it’ll be more noticeable
If we get nerfed will definitely feel it lol
fading blade
whats everyone pushin as
spring bough
Most are sub and sin and outlaw has the least lol
elfin maple
does anyone have a good sub talent build to share for solo shuffle?
gritty heart
it pain when sub playing againts healers
jolly bear
imb4 DHs burst go brrrr
I just saw another complaint post about DHs and it’s like bro have you not seen boomkins, hunters, locks? lmao a good mage is absolutely hell to catch too
but the first three are way worse
spring bough
When BM gets tier bonus and extra pet does kill command they gonna be scary
vocal surge
i was planning on leveling a MM hunter for a mog I made in the dressing room
spring bough
I’m probably gonna push my BM at some point this season
vocal surge
yee
vocal surge
I just saw another complaint post about DHs and it’s like bro have you not seen ...
I havent seen a boomie since I started gearing in BGs
spring bough
Boomy is scary w all the aoe they do and if they good at clones even scarier
Full moon will take half your health if you don’t interrupt it lol
vocal surge
Ah
jolly bear
I havent seen a boomie since I started gearing in BGs
that’s because you’re in BGs I’m talking strictly arena. I don’t do bgs unless I’m trying to gear a new alt in honor gear
spring bough
What sucks is when you run into those circles they attach to themselves and their teammates then you get knocked into the air
vocal surge
yeee
jolly bear
they run around spamming moonfire sunfire starsurge all instant cast and if you actually get their health low, they go bear. if you don’t go them, they cyclone your healer for 10 seconds
vocal surge
I pick em up when boomies are my teammates and grapple to the healer or KT
jolly bear
btw can someone explain WW burst to me? I don’t even understand how I die to them instantly
maiden gull
dont u get an item if you reach 1,6k in shuffle, whit whom u can buy a tier piece? 😮
jolly bear
yeah
spring bough
Hell yeah you do
maiden gull
hm
spring bough
btw can someone explain WW burst to me? I don’t even understand how I die to the...
Need to step out of the fists of fury lol
spring bough
You hit 1600? You should have a token
maiden gull
1632 yeag
jolly bear
Need to step out of the fists of fury lol
okay. I just don’t understand why they do so much. It felt like all of a sudden they came out of nowhere and just started deleting everyone and became meta and idek how they do so much so fast
spring bough
One of their talents gives fists a 10 second cd or something like that
So you can get 2-3 casts of it
Plus rising sun kick does like 150k crits
Blackout kick does a decent amount too
And if you don’t cloak karma that could do 300-400k damage to you too lol
meager hamlet
shadow finishers not working still 😩
is this arena-only?
meager hamlet
at all? all content? pve/pvp? pvp-only? certain pvp or all pvp?
wintry dew
pve it works (like dummies, just tested)
proven kayak
PvP only
vapid ledge
We can convert S3 items into tier pieces with the catalyst system (it recharges ...
Thank you for being so helpful homey!
nova viper
Hi. How to find people to play pvp permanently? My guild is full of PVE Andys, people stop using the finder after a few games/contact disappears even after being added to friends on the battle net and I'm doomed to play solo shuffle.
waxen meteor
at all? all content? pve/pvp? pvp-only? certain pvp or all pvp?
I confirm that
It doesn't work in PvP at least, occasionally
but it sucks so hard when it happens
jolly bear
Shadowstrike teleport not working aswell <@167131381988720640>
oh shit yeah that happened to me too I noticed
waxen meteor
it seems to be what happens is that when you do Shadow Strike, you actually hit people far, but you don't teleport
which creates all issues later.....
like if you want to SS + Kidney, good luck...
jolly bear
well boys I'm going back to The Rotten.
waxen meteor
especailly when you try to SS and enabled shadow blade and dance for kidney
you have to spend your step
halcyon timber
Yep and shadowed finishers not registering at all is a pain.
jolly bear
and people are still crying rogue OP
halcyon timber
People can suck it
halcyon timber
We aren’t
waxen meteor
not played outlaw yet
jolly bear
we just have damage adn cc
waxen meteor
speaking of dmg
halcyon timber
Other classes do too, they just don’t “need” to cc
jolly bear
plenty of other classes have a lot more AND insane dmg
waxen meteor
when i go brrrr
Just 1900 lobby, nothing too fancy, and indeed there are dmg on pets/summons
but i like it over 100k
jolly bear
so new The Rotten combo is to stack Perforated Veins, hit SD/Symbols, hit goremaws, eviscerate, shadowstrike, and then sectech?
waxen meteor
SD/Symbol is basically a macro again this season i think
but yeah, you would want to stack veins to 4
then depends on cp
normally i will try gauge healer first
then if it's lower than 4cp, i would try to first dance then stun
then as you said
if it's higher than 4cp, i would probably stun first
gritty heart
so sub rogue can't beat 90% comps right now
surreal barn
Two 6/6s in a row
surreal barn
We cracked yo
jolly bear
Two 6/6s in a row
I kept us balanced last night by going 0/6
halcyon timber
Don’t do silly ish like shuriken storm at 4 stacks either
jolly bear
Don’t do silly ish like shuriken storm at 4 stacks either
I only have it on my binds to spam for people in stealth IF I need to
waxen meteor
Did we lose the must crit thing from shuriken?
waxen meteor
yeah so it doesn't exist
but looping back, the ss doesn't teleport issue needs to be fixed
I just had it happen again
it seems to be happening more when you are at middle range with enemy
halcyon timber
Happened every time for me def uncool but stuff happens
hidden mirage
hey guys did they sneaky nerf the assa 4 set or i missed something ? Tooltip says 30%, but on wowhead its still 150%
glad path
good pvp outlaw talent build and pvp talents?
surreal barn
@chrome schooner what you buy with your 1600 pc
surreal barn
I’m thinking legs that’s a lot of versa
waxen meteor
but he is crimson legend, probably knows some trick
waxen meteor
I’m thinking legs that’s a lot of versa
yeah i would go leg
waxen meteor
I’m thinking legs that’s a lot of versa
you are doing sub or outlaw?
surreal barn
Assa
waxen meteor
lol very nice guess
surreal barn
Haha
waxen meteor
but sin for sure leg
surreal barn
I mean I’m getting kills forgetting to press deathmark
waxen meteor
leg and hand