Good for you!
#pvp
waxen meteor
spring bough
server up in time to hit this superbloom
jolly sierra
im about to go lightspeed
every piece but the rams come to home
so im almost done w desktop
pale storm
NA wake up, we got a 750 bloody token quest
spring bough
LETS GO
i think subterfuge is bugged? sometimes i open from stealth and dont get the buff lmao
then blow a BTE and put it on CD
quaint cedar
Yo how's outlaw been so far? I just got back from a trip
Been seeing lots of talk about sub, not so much about sin and outlaw
thorn pond
Thanks mate, very useful !
wary spire
They're good for pressure tho.
And those lucky times when it gives us surprise burst.
jolly sierra
yeah, maybe will need more SS matches
harsh sigil
i think subterfuge is bugged? sometimes i open from stealth and dont get the buf...
If you open with a macro'd ability that's tied to a trinket or anything it'll do that; like with bomb dispenser
jolly sierra
ppl just died fast so no need to pressure too much
literal was KB and one felt dead
jolly sierra
yep, worth practising into SS tho
a hunter just whined about me being unfair when i was testing shadow dance and he was relearning hunt after patch
dude i need to practise too lol
waxen meteor
NA wake up, we got a 750 bloody token quest
Hell I am outside when does it end
mortal mantle
Yo how's outlaw been so far? I just got back from a trip
I never hear about Outlaw on PvP, but also curious
Besides that one Season Outlaw was a monster
unique bramble
Is there a 10.2 outlaw pvp guide
quaint cedar
Outlaw is usually not as popular as the other two specs so even when its really good it doesn't get talked about as much
pale storm
Hell I am outside when does it end
tomorrow 7am
quaint cedar
Nice! What build are you playing right now?
mortal mantle
the one i posted eralier
Similar to the PvE one?
spring bough
sitting in a bg right now at 915k hp LMAO feel so beefy
waxen meteor
sitting in a bg right now at 915k hp LMAO feel so beefy
spring bough
how is that even possible lol
quaint cedar
man everyone has the bloody token gear already? yall are nerds
I touched grass for a week and now I can't pvp
rip
quaint cedar
oh where?
spring bough
waking shore
mortal mantle
Where do we buy thee set again?
quaint cedar
nice, that should be enough for like 2 pieces I think
mortal mantle
Saw it, tiny guy by Malicia
spring bough
meld feels so unfair for crackshot windows. get first one 6 secs, vanish get another 6 secs, meld and get another window, just wild and then vanish probably off CD by then
spring bough
hell yeah meld back into stealth then boom more BTEs
spring bough
i went from belf to nelf earlier in the week lol
quaint cedar
honestly I think meld should not drop combat
spring bough
its kinda unfair its a big dps boost having it lol
quaint cedar
it's actually stupid how much benefit druids and rogues get from it
quaint cedar
I'd be fine with that too
spring bough
plus nelf +5% movement speed in stealth too
quaint cedar
my racial sucks anyways
maiden gull
like if your playing feral without meld u are basicly trolling
same for outlaw now lol
quaint cedar
eh idc I do well enough anyways
maiden gull
yeah its fire rn
quaint cedar
does feel bad though
spring bough
just did 20 milly damage in twin peaks and topped everyone LOL
maiden gull
i tried shuffle aswell
spring bough
feels so good hitting crackshot crits and seein health just disappear
spring bough
169k was my highest BTE crit
maiden gull
must have been someone with low gear
quaint cedar
glad you guys are doing damage because right now I'm doing literally nothing
maiden gull
i hit 150k crackshots on 473 ilvl
spring bough
probably im fully bloody token gear lol
quaint cedar
health bars don't move an inch
spring bough
idk what else to do until tuesday guess work on my alts lol
think ima just play outlaw and bm hunter this season
quaint cedar
would have been nice if the honor gear was available this week
spring bough
cant even run mythics for new gear lol
jolly sierra
my dad said every piece from the gamer desktop had already arrived
HOHOHOHOHOHO this is exciting
spring bough
im on ghostly now half the time i cast it it isnt full lol
itll hit 1 time and ill get knocked
quaint cedar
You really think so? Spree seems good at least just for the defensive and the damage seems decent
What do you mean by if you hit anything but your target once?
yeah it is
as long as you don't have blade flurry up
it's all single target
not necessarily
in pvp you don't want flurry up 100% of the time
it breaks CC
spring bough
but for upperhanded hitter i think youd want it up most of the time?
quaint cedar
maybe for shuffle
but for 3s idk
like if you're playing RMP you can't just run around with blade flurry up 100% of the time
knocking your mage's polys
that's what stuns are for
blade flurry is such a short CD anyways, just cancel it for spree
it could be the difference between getting a kill or not
and it's also not just damage
its also an amazing defensive too
spring bough
i was rocking some gsw last night and got a 100k initial pistol crit on a FTH burst
waxen meteor
Lol my first reaction of GSW is alway Golden State Warriors
spring bough
all in total was probably 150-200k ish range lmao
i just dont know what to give up for GSW
like to i give up ghostly or cto
been doing both. i like pretty much any variation i play cant really tell differences lol
quaint cedar
Yeah I think ghostly is needed
I've never been a fan of CTO personally. Feels like that shit hardly ever procs
spring bough
i got ghostly macrod to my ss/ambush and bte so i never have to worry about thinking of pressing it
jolly sierra
<:pogging:1067159512357798028>
yeye lol
quaint cedar
Is that better than specifically planning for using it? I know it has pretty high uptime because of CDR
jolly sierra
finally ill play without rely on ret
jolly sierra
lol not too fast
spring bough
prob wouldnt macro it if u wanted to min max but i figure we already doing enough dmg and i dont wanna have to deal w thinking about when to press it lol
quaint cedar
lol fair enough
yeah
though I think the big win is that we aren't punished for target swapping
spring bough
we do get BTE back pretty fast with cdr though so can sometimes press it out of stealth
halcyon timber
John wick tf out of people yeh boy
quaint cedar
if you're playing GSW then it's probably worth it to press BTE outside of stealth as long as you don't ever enter stealth without BTE on CD
probably situational
spring bough
i wanna see if anyone has some success playing KIR pvp this season
quaint cedar
if you know you aren't going to have a restealth opportunity any time soon
halcyon timber
4set maybe kir could be nasty on a 5 roll no?
quaint cedar
if by KIR do you mean just non HO? or actually playing KIR itself?
actually
can you even play KIR as HO?
spring bough
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/outlaw/DAOBRVFRVFUVFkYFQCREOVEVFVEVFFBVChQBE something like this w some tweaks lol
quaint cedar
don't think you have the points to do it
spring bough
still playing upperhanded
quaint cedar
ah yeah
halcyon timber
Upper handed is sick af
quaint cedar
I was playing a build like that but without KIR itself just to try it
kind of felt like ass in pvp ngl but I also have no gear so who knows
I think uptime is going to fuck you
getting CC'd and kited constantly
quaint cedar
seriously the lower proc rate feels like ass
can't believe this went live like this lol
it's just a random feel bad nerf that exists for no reason
pisses me off
probably unreasonably so but w/e
halcyon timber
XD
proud spire
Whats best weapon we can get this week boys??? For a subby boy
spring bough
bout to hit a skirmish with GS, BR, GSW and no CTO and see how it goes
halcyon timber
bout to hit a skirmish with GS, BR, GSW and no CTO and see how it goes
Smoke em!
halcyon timber
Whats best weapon we can get this week boys??? For a subby boy
Wait for honor gear
proud spire
Anyone know how much more conquest we get a week now instead of a vault???
spring bough
DH is broken holy mother of god lol
dude dropped my paladin teammate in under 10 seconds
also keep running into pressing BTE and it doesnt cast and i sit at full CP.... anyone had that happen yet?
quaint cedar
might be a stance change delay
halcyon timber
Anyone know how much more conquest we get a week now instead of a vault???
That’s not until A War Within expansion. They haven’t released those details yet but there are a few new notes in a blue post today.
waxen meteor
DH is broken holy mother of god lol
Yeah super big dmg
spring bough
what yall thoughts on running sting over float
waxen meteor
Also new talent allows you to do some globals without GCD
halcyon timber
Would rather talent into thieves than give up float
Gm giving 5% seems to proc w cto a good bit dunno why
spring bough
i wish vanish didnt reset my current details so i could tell how much i do in these bursts without having to add things up lol
halcyon timber
Yeh its a start and stop log on combat. They changed the api retrieval a few days ago as well so addons are not able to cheese boss mechanics on a post on wowhead
spring bough
another bg more big crits. 104k flurry and i dont even have the flurry talents lol
so i faction changed about 4 days ago but im still getting put on horde when i que BGs. do i have to go turn merc mode on? lol
lucid citrus
also keep running into pressing BTE and it doesnt cast and i sit at full CP.... ...
does this happen when youre in subterfuge?
lucid citrus
its probably is casting it because of Ace Up your Sleeve
spring bough
it doesnt make the sounds or refresh the button when it actually hits. i just press it and it def doesnt go
lucid citrus
its not macrod into anything right?
spring bough
just /startattack. even happened when i replaced it w the spell and not my macro
maybe its nug combo bar saying i have full CP and i actually dont have any?
lucid citrus
hmm wish i could see your screen to see whats going on otherwise, just could be the game but i never had that issue
probably addon issue
try without it?
spring bough
yeah im about to hit it up without nug bar
lucid citrus
yeah let us know!
arctic apex
Does honor carry over on Tuesday or reset?
jolly sierra
guys totally offtopic
in transit terms how do u call a roadway where you turn back to a direction?
a guy here in the hotel asked for it and i was unable to call it by the exact term
lucid citrus
Does honor carry over on Tuesday or reset?
honor gets carried over
arctic apex
honor gets carried over
thanks! I thought sobut wanted to make sure before I farmed up 15k
jolly sierra
P A Y U P
jolly sierra
I asked a friend to draw this. <:starege:923197272064426075>
wasnt ur sister the one which draws?
halcyon timber
a guy here in the hotel asked for it and i was unable to call it by the exact te...
On a highway? Entry / exit ramp .
4 way road - a round about.
Normal street where you can turn around when permitted a u turn
wary spire
wasnt ur sister the one which draws?
She does. She's busy with cooleg stuff currently.
jolly sierra
On a highway? Entry / exit ramp .
4 way road - a round about.
Normal street whe...
gracias campeón
jolly sierra
She does. She's busy with cooleg stuff currently.
ahhhh gotcha, its stlll very nice
sharp stone
is warrior really that easy
someone who just recently started pvp goes to duelist
12 honor lvl
jolly sierra
i have a friend which makes coms, sometimes i buy some to her, luckily she makes discounts lol
wary spire
is warrior really that easy
May be an alt account.
halcyon timber
gracias campeón
De nada primo
sharp stone
do people make new accounts and pay 2 subscriptions each month
spring bough
is there something that makes ambush aoe or strike again as sin? just did a skirmish cast ambush 4 times and it hit 7
oh nvm its the nature dmg it deals
i like this viscous venom build its hella nice
jolly sierra
yeah its the mut talent
spring bough
arena happened so fast didnt have time to lol
jolly sierra
yeah that what i was disappointed about yesterday xddd
stuff just died fucking fast
spring bough
do i go poison bomb with dtb or scent with sudden
keep going back n forth w them in arena feels like same dmg but sudden demise so much fun when people just insta drop
topaz holly
Ay can someone link assa pvp build?
jolly sierra
im in job but can share something if i scroll up
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im using this one rn
topaz holly
appreciate it
jolly sierra
np
waxen meteor
every skirmish looks like this
Seems to be player issue tbh
At least that screenshot game
spring bough
sin is doing dumb damage regardless of poison/dtb or scent/sudden
2 casts of kingsbane 400k overall lmfaooo
internal bleeding 515k
this is ridiculous lol
98k and 117k envenoms for KBs
jolly sierra
yeah its disgusting
spring bough
i think i like poison/dtb better more dot damage
can use deadly with wound and its feeling bonkers
spring bough
i have no idea lmao
jolly sierra
xddddd
halcyon timber
Dh pull off 200k cleaving on people
Jackasses can’t figure out how to cc and stop the rogue. Its a skill issue
jolly sierra
i got a 200k RsK from a guy days ago
halcyon timber
Not hard to fight us rogues
God damn other classes are full of dummies . “We don’t like rogues being effective and want to trainig dummy them”
jolly sierra
literal we are the most hated class overall ingame
but what will we do? ppl is just dumb xd
waxen meteor
DH can do 200k while in nether walk
I think DH DK combo can just delete the entire city
halcyon timber
Because bs classes talk ish
Blizz needs to do right by rogues , no more stun support
Fk other classes
Play better , use your cds
50 gd totems and such
halcyon timber
Yeah prob a weak aura , i just use my eyes
waxen meteor
I honestly don’t think rogue is that OP now it’s for sure not bad
halcyon timber
Not kidding
Just got used to watching everything as a rogue
Rogues aren’t, other classes literally hit harder for less set up
waxen meteor
Yeah
waxen meteor
But surely we are super good in skirmish
That could be one of the reason people say shit
waxen meteor
Brain where 
waxen meteor
When you see shadow blade just throw CDs
Was doing a skirmish with hpal dude just watched me killed in 2 stuns with sub + warrior without trying to throw a protection
waxen meteor
Well I don’t think DH will survive after one week
The trick Mvqdh showed and another r1 DH showed these days basically can do 200-300k dps in arena for 8 seconds as aoe… and you are not able to stop it by cc
And you don’t need setup basically
spring bough
so just avoid that then they dead in the water lmao
waxen meteor
It’s like 45 seconds CD
And that doesn’t require demon mode, essence break, eye beam etc..
Which you can use in the 45 seconds
halcyon timber
Literally just defend
waxen meteor
But DH can be killed in stun easily that’s one thing
halcyon timber
Other classes can eff themselves
No more cc tax bs
Had enough of this non
Nonsense
waxen meteor
Will see more clearly next week
spring bough
kingsbane 1 cast on a warrior..... 267k
halcyon timber
They do sorry ass compensation stuff for us
The measuring stick is people should die in kidney period
That’s the standard
Not an issue when other classes use their 5s stun
Rogues do ot jfc can’t have that now
Do it*
Rogues keep the idiot classes at bay . Always have.
waxen meteor
kingsbane 1 cast on a warrior..... 267k
You mean for 8 Tiks total right?
halcyon timber
Yeah but assass still put in the work to do that
Doesn’t need nerfs
Sunwell forbid rogue cds are meaningful
waxen meteor
Assassination is okay, it just has bigger dmg compared to s2. survival is still among lowest in all specs
Probably at a proper position now
halcyon timber
End of the day we all hide
We aren’t going to zug it
Assass still can get a respectable amount of defense and tools while also the most consistent high pressure
jolly sierra
at least surv cant dispell all my burst now
waxen meteor
They can take away dust to make sub less tanky and get me access to rotten directly 
halcyon timber
F survival too
Nah
Prep stays
Rotten needs a cost to get to as all talent ls do
All combinations of talents do similar damage as well
waxen meteor
Yeah for sure
waxen meteor
I am just picturing a way of ‘nerf’
halcyon timber
Literally no reason to nerf shit though
We are in greens
Prepatch expansion type bs
Dunno why people are scratching their head
waxen meteor
Well those voices can be totally ignored
halcyon timber
Agreed
waxen meteor
Will see more clearly when real season starts
halcyon timber
Just yt monkeys praising their overlords
Screeching for a naner
Ex: full moon requires jack shit does 250k
Resto druid in cat that just got giant buffs can kill you with bites within a maim stun
“It can be interrupted” is a dumb ass argument. If someone SETS something up properly, you should lose.
There is zero argument to that
Ape classes can shove it , sorry not everyone wants to unga bunga
wary spire
For now it feels like everyone gone up in powerlevel. Really need to wait until people gear up.
Rogues are pretty strong when a fight takes no more than 15 seconds, lol
marble oasis
s3 conquest is 489
sharp sierra
i tried dueling a warlock (449 item level here) and he was 473 and got instadeleted lol
halcyon timber
Yeah its a good jump
People have a lotttttore life too
Like around 1.3million and ish and rogues have around 860k fully enchanted
Rogue damage has to be good to get though that bs and all the silly gd shields other classes have
The whining about s3 changes using s2 gear is irrelevant just like prepatch stuff
exotic dove
Just heard on Nahj stream that Sanguine Blades for Assa doesnt break stealth anymore
pog
halcyon timber
Good deal
Our dev said he was going to look at it as he got to it anyway
Was prob a complicated problem
waxen meteor
But do we even use sanguine blade
halcyon timber
They absolutely can now
exotic dove
Yeah since it doesnt break stealth its worth now
jolly sierra
dunno if it still worth
jolly sierra
ppl wasnt choosing it not cuz stealth breaking but excessive energy starving
so still have doubts
exotic dove
I think it was both but as I said you definitely want vigor and other energy talents while using Sanguine
halcyon timber
Butvyeh
halcyon timber
Above 50% your 3 abilities tick again and consume 2 energy per tick
jolly sierra
the other issue is than is automatic
jolly sierra
the good version from sanguine was the active one
halcyon timber
Can thank the pve kids
jolly sierra
the one which was removed
waxen meteor
How many energy do we gain from tea
tribal badger
Nah the new passive one is pretty gud
jolly sierra
150 tho
jolly sierra
nono w tea he asked
exotic dove
Also I did the shadowdance Assa build in 3s and I didn't really like it in that. It was decent in 2s though but I am looking to favor the build I got going on now that I am still kind of tweaking it just seems very good.
tribal badger
Ah
waxen meteor
Okay 100 energy from tea
jolly sierra
im going w shadow dance assa and still thinks its pretty good
halcyon timber
Like there is more than 1 way to do shit. Meta chasing bs is nonsense
exotic dove
im going w shadow dance assa and still thinks its pretty good
Didnt say it wasnt but in 3s it seemed using the other setup was better and in solo shuffle too to me. Peoples WA goes off saying Shadowdance and its loss of control of my character lol unless I use something to prevent it but that could cost me later
jolly sierra
well, look
even if u go cced in dance
u still trigger MA
so u will do crit dots for 6s anyways
if u macro shadow w kingsbane they wont reply to that in time
exotic dove
While that is true I did Cold Blood instead of Dance and Cold Blood Kingsbane did feel very impactful. They way I like playing I don't know how to get that and dance without sacrificing Tea and I like tea
exotic dove
I discovered it on ptr I just trade out where I would put a point in MFD since its gone into CB instead
waxen meteor
Does cold blood kingsbane ensure all tiks crit?
exotic dove
if Kingsbane didnt exist I wouldnt use it
waxen meteor
Or just first
jolly sierra
still think shadow dance is better
u still have like a 50% crit chance
alongside stealth functions
like cheap shot and silence from garrote
waxen meteor
Dance also enables big garrote dmg and reduction
jolly sierra
also free cd garrotes
waxen meteor
It’s both offensive and defensive
jolly sierra
vs just a 100% crit chance kingsbane
jolly sierra
both ids are separated for me at least in recount
exotic dove
This is true but playing 3s and shuffle at a high mmr it was easily shut down cause WA and I only really got benefit from crit dots where a KB with Cold Blood seems to out do that. Just my experience at lower mmr and in 2s I see Shadowdance being better for sure
jolly sierra
from both dot and initial dmg KB
exotic dove
if you dont get cc shadowdance is better
jolly sierra
how much mmr?
exotic dove
2300-2400
for shuffle
and 2200 ish in 3s
It was so tilting I would press dance and I couldnt control my toon
why I hate WA
exotic dove
Sub gets the benefit of cdr and 2 charges of it so its not as tilting when they control me on one
cause I play sub too
also as sub my dance lasts 2 seconds longer since I have it talented
jolly sierra
yeah but i say u got cced and F
waxen meteor
I think dance here is not only for cc
waxen meteor
I mean the big garrote from dmg and dmg reduction are both good
exotic dove
They are
but the KB crits are massive enough to where its debatable to me
with CB
if I am jsut getting cced during dance
exotic dove
I had to use geforce experience to replay save my games to see the crits
waxen meteor
if I am jsut getting cced during dance
I normally start with cheap on healer or side dps
exotic dove
Yeah when I do the dance go I usually attempt to go for that I can try dance again and see what happens but last night was really tilting
It def works better in 2s though
cause I voiced 2s wiht a friend and he helped me peel
the cc
jolly sierra
doesnt 2k3 players still zug in SS?
exotic dove
or dispell it
waxen meteor
Dance probably exposes your burst intention more
jolly sierra
ive seen guys at 2k1 w my rog doing a me smash and just leaping behind the pillar
fucking my sap
exotic dove
doesnt 2k3 players still zug in SS?
Yeah but they still have air horn wa apparently telling them when the big bad rogue uses dance
jolly sierra
beh
waxen meteor
What’s initial hit of KB like?
exotic dove
I had one hit for 115k
waxen meteor
When I hit dummy entire KB with 8 tiks is about 400-500k
jolly sierra
for me w dance hits like 140k and once got one by 200k in a feral
waxen meteor
Well 120-130 seems a low value with s3 HP
exotic dove
This is on a player
tranquil saddle
i slapped a monk in a bg earlier for a 400k KB crit, initial damage..the other ticks did not get their chance to tick
waxen meteor
But our dmg wil grow too
waxen meteor
Yeah pre shiv for sure
jolly sierra
yeah it ensures the crit
exotic dove
The 115k was also the lowest
jolly sierra
but even like that ive got non crit KB for above 100k
waxen meteor
But does dance boost dmg overall for sin?
jolly sierra
yeah w MA
exotic dove
with nightstalker it does with the flat %
jolly sierra
also that
exotic dove
nightstalker you have to get before dance
waxen meteor
True
jolly sierra
i use nightstalker + subtetfuge
exotic dove
I am not sure on if its fixed lol
jolly sierra
seems like
exotic dove
but its there
The good news is it seems whatever build you go its super viable
so I am happy with that
having options
waxen meteor
Yeah
Core is same
I actually didn’t try DTB myself just heard from you guys it sucks
So didn’t even try
exotic dove
I use DTB seems fine
I make sure to take the 5% poison increase application talent too though
waxen meteor
I do think with kingsbane/dance we have way more chance to push to 35% cutover value
exotic dove
Envenom increased poison app chance by 30% and then the talent I mentioned increases it by 5% to counteract that
I run twist the knife too to increase that envenom duration
for kingbane windows
waxen meteor
Sounds like a solid approach
waxen meteor
So if you give up 2 execution talents and AP down there
You potentially can do bomb + DTB + aoe bleed
And keep KB isn’t it?
marble oasis
cool thing is Zoldyk got a buff also
now applies to all damage
i.e it didn't used to apply to envenom
exotic dove
This is what I am messing with now that seems to be doing really well but I did want to try Zoldyk as well.
waxen meteor
Go aoe bleed can be so good I think
exotic dove
With Envenom and Improve poisons counteracting the DTB 30% reduction it seems to flow really well with Kingsbane.
waxen meteor
I think aoe bleed DTB with dance can be a solid build
Especially against double melee etc
exotic dove
Yeah I need to test and try out a lot
I thought I did on ptr but I am just finding more stuff to try
marble oasis
i'm wonder if master assa is worth it at all
like do we get much if any value out of it
i'd have said sanguine is far better
waxen meteor
Just dance big garrote and rupture then gogogo
waxen meteor
i'm wonder if master assa is worth it at all
It basically zero value talent without dance
marble oasis
still think it'll be marginal with how crit is gibbed
waxen meteor
Even NE it’s semi shit
marble oasis
i'm still waiting for that one time sanguine just deletes someone xD
waxen meteor
With dance, it’s like you have a semi cold blood for KB everytime
waxen meteor
And also second tik 
exotic dove
I personally dont want to give up the DTB and KB combo though
exotic dove
YEah there is a lot of solid stuff
waxen meteor
Probably when pairing with classes with heavy pressure we do execution build
exotic dove
The assa execute is hilarious when greedy people dont respect it
waxen meteor
When with classes with no pressure we become main dmg soucre it’s more DTB
exotic dove
killed two mages who didnt block trying to save it
waxen meteor
Yeah once you go below 35% it’s really dangerous
Imagine playing with DH
They do barrage new thing and bring everyone to 35% easily
exotic dove
That or Ret I played ret rogue already and that was very explosive
Rogue lock either destro or aff
was really good too
jolly sierra
Envenom increased poison app chance by 30% and then the talent I mentioned incre...
tbh dont think KB does interact like that w envenom
its not considered a lethal poison tho
lemme see
waxen meteor
its not considered a lethal poison tho
But additional deadly trigger helps Kb dmg right?
halcyon timber
Yeh
waxen meteor
It seems locks consider demo lock as best spec now
jolly sierra
But additional deadly trigger helps Kb dmg right?
yeah in that way it does
but not KB itself
exotic dove
But additional deadly trigger helps Kb dmg right?
Yeah thats the reason
pliant flint
is SBS useful in pvp?
jolly sierra
yes
if u wanna go forward w that and envenoms
try having SND up
so u will have more autoattacks
and therefore more deadlys
exotic dove
SND imo is easy to keep up with Assa
pliant flint
oh ty
exotic dove
yeah lol but I trained myself to keep watch on it
jolly sierra
i have moments where i forgot snd exists
XD
usually i recall that when im too far away
so i shot SND
pliant flint
Sudden Demise looks great, but i woul have to give up on KB or DTB right?
jolly sierra
bah SBS
pliant flint
would*
jolly sierra
then snd
DTB its pretty doubtful rn
its nerfed to hell in proc rate
and u have better options
thorn pond
Does someone here have a weak aura to track Shadow Technique’s stacks ? Can’t manage to find anything conclusive on Wagio
pliant flint
so you would advise to go for Sudden Demise instead of DTB?
wary spire
Can somebody translate?
waxen meteor
so you would advise to go for Sudden Demise instead of DTB?
Consider it just like 10% bleed dmg boost flat
And it’s already good…
marble oasis
people really underestimate that 10% amp
jolly sierra
so you would advise to go for Sudden Demise instead of DTB?
yes
jolly sierra
Can somebody translate?
say
tu madre
pliant flint
ty very much
jolly sierra
u welcome
wary spire
say
tu madre
Aw people are so nice.
jolly sierra
XD
wary spire
And that's after I tried to kill them.
jolly sierra
try again
pliant flint
oh one more question
pliant flint
is tea worth?
jolly sierra
yes
wary spire
Yummy yummy cocaine concoction.
jolly sierra
yummy green cocaine
waxen meteor
Just finished mvqdh’s video, he basically saying manually cancel eye beam every-time for burst rotation
Kinda funny s2 all for eye beam
S3 what is that shit, you don’t need to interrupt it, I cancel it myself
marble oasis
no
jolly sierra
thought they were blind
waxen meteor
Guys what pieces are you going to pick for set this season
It seems no mastery and no vers 
jolly sierra
dunno tbh
but would pick just 2 for this season
env bonus from 4set still feels shitty for me
lemme check
if i would go i would chose
hmmm
pants and gloves probably
pants cuz the huge chunk of versa and gloves cuz the huge chunk of mastery
glacial forum
does anyone know if honor/conquest gets reset next week?
waxen meteor
does anyone know if honor/conquest gets reset next week?
Conquest will be zero
Honor stays
Blood coin stays
glacial forum
ty
halcyon timber
but are dh able to read?
Definitely can’t read , rets can’t either.
proven mica
to check for talents build and shit
drustvar/murlok for builds, moonkinmetrics for talents
waxen meteor
Does Sudden demise works in pvp !?
Works with modifier but long story short, basically doesn’t work
However 10% bleed dmg flat boost is very good already
sharp sierra
How do u guys deal with demo locks and tyrants
In a situation in which los is not possible
queen geyser
CC the tyrant
safe pelican
Dang i never thought about that
I just die tbh, after a valor-ant effort , you really gotta get that burst of on them in the opener then i usually cloak once the cc it up by the time cloak is over I’ll drop full kidney and go for another rotation
sharp sierra
Yea but its hard when theres like 50 pets out
wise breach
Does Sudden demise works in pvp !?
Yes, but it triggers at 10% hp if the damage exceeds 250% of remaining health
That's still really really strong though
kindred tapir
word
and do we lose our conquest this tuesday
or next reset for my eu boys
and honor?
queen geyser
and do we lose our conquest this tuesday
Yes
Honor and tokens stay tho
Or whatever the bloody stuff is called
I’ve been playing too much ESO, and I just got a dude to play Weezer on stage at the bar. Brain is rotting as we speak
halcyon timber
How do u guys deal with demo locks and tyrants
definitely CC tyrant and kill fel obelisk. You can dismantle the Fel Guard (wwe nitro demon) and he wont' summon you but if the demon worshipper has another charge the other will summon and stun you immediately as well. Kinda have to just metronome it. Also maintain dots as they split life with their demon that gives them a pain in the ass free DR like the old days.
waxen meteor
Gave a try of DTB, the poison trigger chance thing seems to be alright
but the aoe bleed is sort of not-reliable?
trying more
spring bough
You mean for 8 Tiks total right?
yeah w/e the initial and dot together
actually just logged in and still have the details. looks like the initial was 66k and the dot ticked for 200k lmao
also just went into a skirmish.... initial was 128k then got 6 ticks total for 223k thsi is nasty lol
halcyon timber
holy has pretty much always had their achilles heel with mana. They have a bunch of refund / regen talents now but I have zero idea man how that is all done.
I think it was in bfa, when they were really efficient and people just lost because they didn't run out of jack. When they got changed between s1 s2 they were ridiculously strong in mana and everything else and then got changed after a few months and blizz was like yea it's fine hehe.
worthy crag
yeah legion and bfa they just never oomed and i could outpve a disc etc
Seems like their mana spending really took a turn in df
halcyon timber
allegedly dominated healing too much and nerds meta chased too hard and caused a giant problem about it all
spring bough
jesus christ how do you kill a prot war in 2s
they dont die
bro is popping me with 70k executes and taking 0 damage lol
waxen meteor
lol i just killed one...
spring bough
you sin right now? i was rocking outlaw and doing no dmg lol
waxen meteor
Me and a DK deleted a prot war and arm war like instantly..
The new talent actually did 13.4% of my dmg
spring bough
my lock got deleted and i took down the fury that was with the prot. then the prot smoked me lmao
waxen meteor
i will surely try sanguin more
i was testing tempest
but arm is dead before i cast it lol
spring bough
i was rocking that as sin its nice using sanguine
unique lance
was Marked for Death removed completely?
waxen meteor
Yeah
halcyon timber
Different ways to reliably generate . Mfd being gone isn’t so bad.
But yes FD / storing cbs and shadow blades
Far better than the nonsense before
unique lance
But yes FD / storing cbs and shadow blades
storing cbs? as in pre generating cbs u mean?
halcyon timber
storing cbs? as in pre generating cbs u mean?
Shadow techniques is finally a good thing. As you attack you generate energy line before but we store combo points through a shadow techniques stack
Ex: store 3 points use shiv and generate 4 instead through planning.
waxen meteor
any replacement of somesort or we r only left with First Dance?
Well I think for sub the impact is low, most didn’t use mark for death anyway
halcyon timber
didnt use it mostly because finishers did dookie damage w 5 cb
5 cb has been trash for a while now
broken otter
Sorry, if this has been asked a million times, but where should I look to find the current Assassination builds that people are playing with? Is Murlok.io reliable this early in the (pre) season?
I know the meta is still in the air and there is no best spec, but I'm more looking for a solid base from someone who knows what they're doing.
I guess for now, I'm just gonna copy/paste Shadenox's only Assassination build, but I'm definitely interested in alternative builds, players are trying out.
halcyon timber
Sorry, if this has been asked a million times, but where should I look to find t...
I have zero idea, but the assassins here might be asleep. They are normally active during the day here where you can ask them then and they could definitely point you in the right direction.
Never feel sorry for asking questions man.
sharp pumice
what the fuck do you do against demonology warlocks
I'm a usedtobegood, I haven't played in forever, they used to be a fucking joke
halcyon timber
https://youtu.be/4GOUYrPNXC4?si=oUkvQ5iQYGmoSp3W
I don’t care to promote vids but as you can see rogues aren’t nuts compared to others. Nothing needs nerfed.
Full bloody pvp gear, all the new shit is made for verdant gladiator gear. Not this preseason / prepatch esque nonsense. Rogues aint smoking jack quick when people are going to be using walls appropriately / getting healed/ and us getting ccd.
halcyon timber
what the fuck do you do against demonology warlocks
You treat them kinda like affliction except demons instead of dots (stronger with more of their zoo out)
- Stun tyrant, keep fel guard at bay and you multi dot to break soul link up a bit. They are a pain in the ass to everyone
- interrupt demon bolts / hand of guldan to lock them out of all schools since it is chaos magic
- Kill fel obelisk too, or you’re gonna feel it bad.
- Warlocks also have super demon armor back where it now provides 90% armor increase.
sharp pumice
gotcha, actually didn't know chaos locked out of everything but that's really valuable info
halcyon timber
Yes sir, very important to study everyone’s kit / magic etc
Ex: disarming warriors prevents die by the sword + regen . Disarming enhance during ascendence prevents wind hits from stormstrike but doesn’t stop elemental magic. Locking mage on frost prevents ice block for 3 sec to delay a stun but be careful for dragon’s breath. Stuff like that.
safe pelican
Frost Mages are broken rn I’m telling you so glad i have a mage partner lol cause it’s utter bs rn what’s this new CC they have stuns you for like 3 seconds & they can sheep gtfoh
halcyon timber
No one has real gear, it will get better on max verdant gear. People need to use defense high and stop the using a wall at 30% crap.
Fire mage / destruction/ evoker are the real winners
sharp pumice
Ex: disarming warriors prevents die by the sword + regen . Disarming enhance dur...
well, see, I knew that but I only know that because.... I'm a warrior main
I know a lot of mechanics that were in play back when I was active/good, all the new shit I'm kinda behind on
safe pelican
No one has real gear, it will get better on max verdant gear. People need to use...
What’s this wall you’re referring too?
halcyon timber
What’s this wall you’re referring too?
defensive abilities that provide DR (damage reduction) ex: Feint , or a shield such as Unending Resolove.
halcyon timber
I know a lot of mechanics that were in play back when I was active/good, all the...
don't sweat it dude, you'll see all the stuff and get used to it quickly. The issue is people use stuff too late, you do things as you're about to take damage and forsee things instead of letting it happen and take the whooping. A lot easier to be healed / survive if a well timed preemptive thing is used.
Kiting and Cool Downs are king.
People should be getting whooped every time they don't use CDs unless the guy messes up in his window or you are healed etc. No class should be sucking butt or tuned around needing others to succeed. Rogue damage isn't ridiculous and that is numerically speaking. Check out the vids of casters blowing people up in 2 sec or less.
pliant delta
Wot's the score with main gauche and mastery now for outlaw pvp?
jolly sierra
Sorry, if this has been asked a million times, but where should I look to find t...
not all rogues are here
even if ppl here is mostly leaning to KB rn cuz we got advice other ones are not
and btw, its like day 4 or 5, the ones which arent here are still realizing what to use
wintry dew
and btw, its like day 4 or 5, the ones which arent here are still realizing what...
This
Most of us (and I mean myself) are waiting for the top dogs to descend from heaven and say: this is the go to build for assa/sub/pewpewpirates, you're welcome
jolly sierra
im pretty comfortable w shadow dance and KB rn, hope it stays in that way
er made me tired now i realize lol
wintry dew
Imma be honest, I had such an hard time with assa mid S1 I totally quit playing it in arena. Moved to sub and I felt like the control/defensives/burst are higher and I can just decide to kill someone instead of being a mini fury warrior
jolly sierra
yeah, i would go like that too but tbh im very used to assa, when i go sub or outlaw i play like real real shit
even i can play better in sub than outlaw i recall
wintry dew
yeah, i would go like that too but tbh im very used to assa, when i go sub or ou...
keep in mind this is not hate, im a red name after all, im a assa bitch for life
jolly sierra
keep in mind this is not hate, im a red name after all, im a assa bitch for life
ofc isnt hate if u are back to assa XD
jolly sierra
oof
wintry dew
oof
aight lets do it like this, you HMU with a assa build you feel like its working and ill try it out :3
jolly sierra
aight lets do it like this, you HMU with a assa build you feel like its working ...
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dapper chasm
argh i cant wait until 24th ot november to play the new rogue
Just logged for first time in ages to changes, there's more?
thick slate
sharp sierra
Just logged for first time in ages to changes, there's more?
apparently they reworked rogue for 10.2 and i havent logged in for it yet
dapper chasm
But I only log to make UIs
That would require an entire rework
Who do I email to stop these changes?
dapper chasm
I'm sure the lowly combat rogues are celebrating
But I am a sub chad
I'm out there getting laid
sharp sierra
dapper chasm
Do we get Ambush teleport without stealth?
Call it Gloomstep
Fan of Gouges?
Blinderer?
Or are we going to have to rely on the strength of our play again?
keen magnet
How does sub opener look in duels / bgs?
proven kayak
Can I send honor from one char to another ?
proven kayak
How does sub opener look in duels / bgs?
You want to fake open at first so you just ss shadow dance to kidney u reset the stun dr an then you go for the kill like ss sd kd sb goremaw cold blood sectec ss eviscerare cs eviscetare ss eviscerare
wise breach
Can I send honor from one char to another ?
You will be able to once the season starts, but at a pretty big loss
2500 honor to send 1500 iirc
proven kayak
You will be able to once the season starts, but at a pretty big loss
good to know ty
broken otter
Is Iron Wire really a 6 sec silence in PvP too, or is it nerfed?
broken otter
Word. Knew it sounded too good to be true, heh.
On the topic of PvP nerfed abilities, what about the capstone Sudden Demise, talent?
Does that differ from its tooltip in PvP combat?
wise breach
Triggers at 10% hp, needs to exceed 250% of remaining hp
waxen meteor
Does that differ from its tooltip in PvP combat?
It basically wouldn’t trigger in pvp but flat 10% bleed dmg boost is good
waxen meteor
Frost Mages are broken rn I’m telling you so glad i have a mage partner lol caus...
Ha? Mage got a stun?
jolly sierra
It basically wouldn’t trigger in pvp but flat 10% bleed dmg boost is good
it still does trigger in pvp
hits like 40-60k but is insta cast when target reach 10% hp
broken otter
Word, thanks, guys.
waxen meteor
40-60
jolly sierra
love how it triggers in like 0. 1s after they reach 10% hp
jolly sierra
hmmm depends of kind of cc
cuz it triggers with dots
if they exceeds current total dmg from target when conbined then triggers
but if is in blind then dont expect that
marble oasis
yeh that's what i was thinking.
As you are the source. but the trigger is your dots you already cast.
jolly sierra
cuz it cleans all dots
jolly sierra
yeh that's what i was thinking.
As you are the source. but the trigger is your ...
exactly
marble oasis
oh no i mean if YOU are cced
marble oasis
that's so awesome xD
jolly sierra
its auto, just need the target dotted
sharp sierra
What stats do assi rogue in general wanna go for on the pvp gear for s3?
marble oasis
vers/mastery again
sharp sierra
Okay cheers, returning to the pvp again ^^
marble oasis
vers and mastery are more powerful this time around for us also as in pve we also want mastery more than crit and vers is actually alright in pve.
so taking flat stats over tier is also on the cards again
but i think Sub/assa is verse/mastery
outlaw crit/verse is i'm not mistaken for pvp
sharp sierra
Yea outlaw is Crit/vers
jolly sierra
crit is winning over haste rn if u use shadow dance it seems
as assa
seems like badge season
w burst
stoic spruce
Yea outlaw is Crit/vers
With haste
waxen meteor
Badge matches cd with dance/kb
jolly sierra
beefed kingsbane
stoic spruce
Also I wouldnt take stat advice after a revamp before the season even starts
proven field
main gauche is liek 2-3 on total dmg, mast still feels good?
wintry dew
using this rn, testing it out, and it feels really good. (this was probably posted by someone earlier, idk, i just went to check what the big boys were using)
waxen meteor
using this rn, testing it out, and it feels really good. (this was probably post...
After some trial I think free cheap shot seems to be better than the shield because of new shadow blade, we can do a mass amount of finishers and requires a lot of energy, saving 40 can be another finisher
For same reason I like finality a lot, if I have to choose, I would try finality over CP stock talent or even danase
wintry dew
Tbf my opener has 2 full cp finishers in a row from what ive just tested
and 70k shield
spiral karma
Hey guys, for assa rogue do you Kingsbane --> Deathmark or Deathmark --> Kingsbane?
waxen meteor
I will do kb first and get cd rolling
But i guess it depends
Most likely we would have a second shot for 1 min CD skill
Death mark as we knew mostly just once per game
spiral karma
Well, mainly bc DM applies the poisons. So wouldnt it be better to DM then Kingsbane to proc the Kingsbane damage increase?
waxen meteor
I don’t think death mark dup KB
proven field
I dont believe it does
proven kayak
outlaw seems cracked
waxen meteor
Oh I think he means because dup deadly
spiral karma
nah, I mean Kingsbane's damage incrases every time you apply a poison. DM applies poisons
waxen meteor
So bonus on Kb is higher
proven field
outlaw seems cracked
I can't make it work beyound like 75k burst and 45k sustain - what am I missing
waxen meteor
nah, I mean Kingsbane's damage incrases every time you apply a poison. DM applie...
Well yeah that’s true
I think if you want to have a huge go that’s fine, and sequence doesn’t really matter
I thought your sequence is between 3 goes
spiral karma
Well idk about the optimal strategy in that case, but I just figured if you're gonna do a go you want KB and DM simultaneously
waxen meteor
Yeah that’s a huge go, then you have nothing for next minute
Gotta be certain no one can defend the go well
spiral karma
Ah, so you save KB as a go?
waxen meteor
I mean in theory KB alone can be a good go
And death mark alone
You can combine them for a sure kill but you can also waste two go together if they have big defensive
Like physical immune/bubble/block/etc
Not to mention if healer reacts quick
proven kayak
I can't make it work beyound like 75k burst and 45k sustain - what am I missing
im not the best to tell you but u can check kalvish
spiral karma
Makes sense
jolly sierra
Well, mainly bc DM applies the poisons. So wouldnt it be better to DM then Kings...
no, its w procs, DM just duplicates the spells
proven kayak
he make it work very god
spiral karma
no, its w procs, DM just duplicates the spells
I meant KB then DM, my bad
jolly sierra
still the same mechanic tho
waxen meteor
I feel KB encourages you to keep chasing kill target over cc healer because of deadly trigger bonus
jolly sierra
its not another proc
spiral karma
I feel KB encourages you to keep chasing kill target over cc healer because of d...
It's 14 sec long, can fit a kidney/blind on the healer in that time i'd imagine
waxen meteor
Yeah
Bomb to bite healer coming over and send him a gauge then blind
In theory if our teammate doesn’t chain cc with us on healer and creates no DR we potentially can even make dance cheap shot (last few second in dance) + blind + gauge /vanish sap by our own
jolly sierra
now i realize u have as assa
kidney + DM
kidney + KB
that is frightening if u are able to do one 30s later than the first one
spiral karma
For an opener, thoughts on cheap > garrote > rupture > DM?
jolly sierra
sure or KB instead
waxen meteor
that is frightening if u are able to do one 30s later than the first one
Yeah
The real problem is just surviving
watching mage deleting people in 2 seconds
We don’t live to next go
dapper chasm
This game is getting silly. This is me standing still doing nothing
Pressing a single button:
When did micro-buffs become the solution here?
Feels like you gotta play where's waldo on top of reacting to opponent buffs
Or make UI changes to only show important stuff, essentially saying "Well done, Blizzard, your amazing shit is not even worth looking at"
waxen meteor
well time to hide lol
Think it will be some tough time for us to figure out what will kill us in feint, what will not
jolly sierra
feint mitigates exactly the same as pally div prot
so imagine something like that, as u play retry too
worthy crag
so human is dog on a healing spec now
waxen meteor
so human is dog on a healing spec now
Yeah totally
jolly sierra
finally humans becomes worse than before again
spring bough
first few skirmish today and i end up being a one person team.... lol
jolly sierra
blakezilla moment
spring bough
DH need to get hit with that nerf stick
quaint cedar
Yeah I don't even know what they do right now
I was perfectly fine and then just died
spring bough
they are s tier by far right now lol
waxen meteor
I just got killed by a DH while he was in netherwalk
Yeah that’s what I posted yesterday
waxen meteor
The new talent fel barrage fires 200-300k dps aoe depends on how many it hits
And it can keep firing in nether walk
quaint cedar
Oh that must be what it was
quaint cedar
When you say that do you mean it's like secret tech in that it does split aoe damage? So more damage to one target?
quaint cedar
Yeah cuz that's what we needed. More classes that can 100-0 you while immune lmao
halcyon timber
Used ti fighting them back in legion so its expected
To*
Fel barrage is lame but they asked and received
waxen meteor
It consumes a lot of fury in fast speed
halcyon timber
Have to defend on it
waxen meteor
But now DH can generate huge amount of fury
halcyon timber
And it drains their bank anyway
quaint cedar
and did 112k dps as outlaw
how does outlaw feel overall in shuffle? I haven't been able to queue yet because I'm still working on my bloody token gear
spring bough
it feels nasty right now i am 2-0
halcyon timber
Yeah dh didn’t get hit with resource penalty but rogue definitely did
quaint cedar
nice!
spring bough
ill post the details after lmao
waxen meteor
If you do double aura and jump back you basically have unlimited fury for 8 second
halcyon timber
Yeah the stacking auras is cool but very dumb
waxen meteor
And you can do the other new skill that generates like 5 souls
quaint cedar
Used ti fighting them back in legion so its expected
yeah I didn't do pvp in legion so I've never seen this before
halcyon timber
Wonder if they can triple cleanse themselves now too
waxen meteor
Picking up each sould gives you another 30 fury
halcyon timber
yeah I didn't do pvp in legion so I've never seen this before
Yeah have to cc them / kite like gouge and hook away during that crap. Its a pain
waxen meteor
And you can potentially do aura *3 *4 if you are lucky
halcyon timber
They also received a lot of different healing talents
quaint cedar
sad thing too is that he jumped me with an MM hunter and I killed the DH once, but he was near a graveyard and insta rezzed and then hit me with that cheese shortly after
lost my bounty 😦
at least I can fly again though
traversing these zones with a bounty is a pain in the ass lol
halcyon timber
XD
waxen meteor
They also received a lot of different healing talents
I think overall healing for DH is not better
But way less rng
quaint cedar
If you vanish does the barrage shit still hit you?
waxen meteor
If you vanish does the barrage shit still hit you?
Didn’t try I guess no
spring bough
probably does if its a dot that sticks?
waxen meteor
It’s not a dot
spring bough
or the initial hit? that prob does too
quaint cedar
Guess that's something one of us will have to test
waxen meteor
It’s like aura dmg
quaint cedar
Though I'm sure it will get nerfed too
halcyon timber
Barrage csn keep hitting you out
quaint cedar
Because killing people while in netherwalk is a little dumb lmao
halcyon timber
Its a like 15 yard radius
quaint cedar
Ah damn
waxen meteor
You vanish obviously I am assuming you leave that area too
quaint cedar
That's a pain
halcyon timber
They can’t do it in nether walk, they have to pre use it
waxen meteor
It’s like DH with aura on
quaint cedar
Yeah I usually always vanish and hook away immediately
to avoid getting knocked out by aoe shit
waxen meteor
If you stay close you will be dmg out
halcyon timber
Its not like a paladin who just bops and mops your butt
waxen meteor
I just want to try DH DK combo lol
Zug win
Drag them together, aoe them like dungeon monsters
quaint cedar
They can’t do it in nether walk, they have to pre use it
I just think netherwalk should cancel it
Or maybe it just needs a pvp nerf idk
quaint cedar
Drag them together, aoe them like dungeon monsters
that sounds filthy lol
halcyon timber
Meh
waxen meteor
The current design for DH pvp is very bad
halcyon timber
It was tuned a lot because of shit like this
waxen meteor
Imagine the meta is to cancel your most iconic skill of the class manually
spring bough
wth is eye beam cancelling lol
halcyon timber
Min max eating hot dogs
They do it because some yuppie advised it to min max like an ultra nerd instead of playing the fuckin game
quaint cedar
Well I mean if it's literally better damage to cancel eye beam then why wouldn't you
Blame the design not the players
waxen meteor
Eye beam canceling is degenerate
That’s such a failure ngl
halcyon timber
Fk the players more than anyone
halcyon timber
Its all dumb yeah but /shrug
How dare devs make cool shit and not think of everyyyything
You don’t “have” to do degen shit, you’re choosing to
quaint cedar
Problem is that it's a competetive game