pvp

[halcyon timber]

So no need to have base wpvp gear

[waxen meteor]

This week doesn’t really give you anything anyway

[halcyon timber]

Yeh

[waxen meteor]

You can do it with new map quest together anyway

If you have time

I think it took me probably 4-6 hours to do the story campaign and world quest, along with many skirmish

I like the 10.2 map a lot more than the 10.1 one

The sad thing for me is crate is always alliance’s

[halcyon timber]

Yeah they travel in big ol groups

[waxen meteor]

Otherwise I should have got like 1000 blood coin from crates already

[waxen meteor]

Yeah it’s crazy

Every crate is 57292857392 alliance around

[halcyon timber]

XD accurate

[waxen meteor]

Also horde seems never win BG at night

Dominating day time occasionally though

[halcyon timber]

Usually a bunch of ragnaros kids arguing

[waxen meteor]

[halcyon timber]

Some moonkin doing raid damage, hur hur y am i tOp dmG?

Dk grips them : its not fairrrr blizzy

Id rather them nerf the trinket bonus and call it a day if they HAD to touch pvp

90s healer medallion is pretty nuts as well

[spring bough]

shadowmeld is the most OP shit ever in arena

out of vanish? oh just wait i got another stealth and mroe crackshots

[halcyon timber]

Yeah meld is beyond dumb

Take torrent off the gcd at least please blizz

Monk is in trouble? Melds and ports and heals to full

[stoic spruce]

I get it. My feeling isnt that extreme but I get it.

[sharp stone]

dont know what ure talking abt

[waxen meteor]

You must be EU!

[rose wigeon]

anyone been testing any good assass rogue builds for arena?

[jolly bear]

they really are delusional pirates

[jolly bear]

so everyone who farmed did it for no reason 🥰

[halcyon timber]

Eh not really but kinda

Just to get something

Isn’t for nothing but yeah

[jolly bear]

well according to the warrior discord I'm an idiot lol

beyond stupid

[halcyon timber]

You play how you want, you’re no idiot

A week off to do whatever you want

Sounds like a great bunch of people to associate with

[spring bough]

i feel like i press BTE sometimes with full combo points and it doesnt go off. has anyone had that?

[jolly sierra]

where df did u went

[jolly bear]

warrior discord lol

[jolly sierra]

bruh

u needed to stay with us

those guys has peabrains

never hear them

or ret mains

[halcyon timber]

Don’t talk to those ppbrains

[jolly bear]

I was just asking them a question 😭

[halcyon timber]

Better off talking to paint buckets

[jolly bear]

LOOOL

[jolly sierra]

dude some of us literal have strong alts

even me could answer u ur warr doubts

[halcyon timber]

Don’t trust plate classes for jack

[jolly sierra]

or mud

mud is here too

[jolly bear]

obligatory "dude this is a rogue discord stop asking warrior questions in here or I will get you banned 🤓 "

[jolly sierra]

lol no

it never happened here

[jolly bear]

I wonder what would happen if I asked a random rogue question in there just to get a reaction

[jolly sierra]

just fkn spit it

cmon

[jolly bear]

it was about gear, not about being a warrior

[jolly sierra]

proceed

[halcyon timber]

You’re stirring the pot there

[jolly bear]

I was just checking about the wm gear

and then they freaked out lol

[halcyon timber]

That’s like pooping in oatmeal and wondering why it tastes bad

[jolly bear]

but I think I already know the answer now

which was not the answer I was hoping for

really loved this answer too

[jolly sierra]

does that guy has a bisquit oliva pfp

fits w the attitude tho

[jolly bear]

idek what that means

[vocal surge]

wait, you made that post?

[jolly sierra]

this guy

[jolly bear]

probably worships him

[stoic spruce]

lol no

[jolly bear]

real men worship Vegeta

[stoic spruce]

I too dont like DF outlaw

but not enough to have a reddit account lol

[jolly bear]

from what I've played of it it was kinda fun but its actually way too fast for me now lol

[vocal surge]

I was about to say bruh lol

[stoic spruce]

I dont like playing around Shadowdance and by proxy, vanish.

[jolly bear]

I could probably get accustomed to it but that would take some effort on my part and I'd rather put it into sub

[vocal surge]

So far, 10.2 Outlaw > 10.1 and 10.0

[stoic spruce]

yeah for sure

huuuuge upgrade

no contest

[vocal surge]

Talking about rotation wise

[jolly bear]

I thought that at one point too, but then I realized well then why am I playing rogue

and then I played Sub lol

[vocal surge]

its a lot smoother than relying on reacting to RNG procs that can happen split second and 1 misclick and you already are doing far less DPS

[spring bough]

love an arena with 8 BTE casts and 6 crits ripped 500k dmg off it lol

70k blade flurry lmao

[vocal surge]

rn waiting to go to a restaurant

before I start my grind

[halcyon timber]

Offensively vanishing was always a huge part of rogue

[stoic spruce]

You can make an argument not for outlaw

in pvp

pve sure

[halcyon timber]

Back in the day combat did

[stoic spruce]

that was back in teh day though

[halcyon timber]

We all do

[spring bough]

i use vanish for offense a good amount of the time lmao. prob gonna do it more with crackshot

[vocal surge]

There should be a choice for players to pick between Offensive and Defensive Vanish

[stoic spruce]

shadowdust was cringe

I agree

[vocal surge]

If a tool can be used two different ways, then that's better than something linear and 1 dimensional

[stoic spruce]

I tried a non shadowdance build and it was so bad lol

[halcyon timber]

Tons of classes have cdr

[vocal surge]

Shadowdust on Outlaw ye?

[tribal badger]

i mean outlaw prior to this season could do very high sustain damage while holding both dance and vanish for defensive/peeling

id say i used a majority of my vanishes as root breaks/defenives in s1 and s2 honestly

but 10.2 outlaw can not do that

[stoic spruce]

same

[tribal badger]

its a bit unfort

[vocal surge]

The reason Shadowdust popped off on Outlaw was because of the Tier Set alongside having the 2nd legendary

[halcyon timber]

Yeah situations call for different things

[tribal badger]

if ur not vanishing and dancing for windows u are not doing damage

just looping ur procs on people barely moves hp bars now

[stoic spruce]

vanish saved me more times in shuffle than most healers

[vocal surge]

You dont have to offensively vanish to pump DPS for 10.2

You can cycle CCs and run pillar for the next go

[tribal badger]

well then ur just playing sub but weaker

[spring bough]

just use meld for offensive vanish lol

[tribal badger]

outlaws thing is sustain pressure and high defensives

if ur playing law like that ur just being a less effective sub rogue

because ur goes arent as strong

[stoic spruce]

no memes in #pvp please

[vocal surge]

If your constantly vanishing your pressure is only half effective compare to Vanishing and Shadow Dancing

[tribal badger]

well u also have vanish for shadow dance tho?

if ur playing effectively vanish is like a 30s cd

u can vanish twice for every dance

and thats the only way to make sustain pressure

if ur holding vanish for defense ur really not doing much damage at all

[vocal surge]

The CD varies between the cycle

Vanish + Shadow Dance, yes 30s

Vanish but no Shadow Dance, realistically more towards 45s

The main thing im thinking about is CD of enemy defensives

since Defensives come up every 2 mins to 3 mins on average

[halcyon timber]

Damage is different between rogues. Wont ever be the same

[spring bough]

with float evasions probably every minute or so

[vocal surge]

no

Its 20 - 30s w. Float

[halcyon timber]

Outlaw is still going to slam

[tribal badger]

if evasion was 20-30s with float vanish would be 10s

[vocal surge]

I actually pushed Evasion CD that low in the PTR

[tribal badger]

vanish is the same cooldown as evasion but float is 50% effectiveness for cdr

[halcyon timber]

Si

[stoic spruce]

I wish I played against people who stood still and let me wail on them lol

[tribal badger]

so vanish should have twice the cdr

[halcyon timber]

Heh

Couple ace resets and boom

[vocal surge]

The issue is

Even if you can push Evasion CD that low

realistically it will never happen

[tardy magnet]

whats outlaw like in pvp so far? i know it's still no proper honor gear and pre-patch but any opinions?

[vocal surge]

Because of CCs and people creating distance

[stoic spruce]

strong

and very fast

[vocal surge]

or you're being forced to reset

Outlaw is really good

and fun

[halcyon timber]

Fast af too

Cruising at like 150 speed

[tardy magnet]

soundin like ma thang

[stoic spruce]

im so thankful ambush replaces SS now

[tardy magnet]

is there a pvp build yet or nah?

[spring bough]

one less button lol

[vocal surge]

Theres a lot of variances

[stoic spruce]

theres a few floating but nothing set in stone

[tardy magnet]

yeee, im imagining gonna have to wait for season to start before anything concrete comes out

[stoic spruce]

culling buttons without actually removing anything

[tardy magnet]

im scared to buy honor gear for one spec then have one of the others be better and be stuck yknow

[spring bough]

i keep pressing 2 like im tryna hit ambush and thats bte now RIP lol

[stoic spruce]

yeah that extra bind looks so nice empty lol

im gonna play around non shadowdance builds again

it sucked but testing is fun

[vocal surge]

If you want a build, this is what im running

[tardy magnet]

cheers mate

[vocal surge]

Stat Priority: Crit / Vers > Haste > Mastery

[tardy magnet]

damn

[vocal surge]

Once you hit ~43% Vers, put more into Crit, you'll want ~15% or so haste

[tardy magnet]

all my pvp gear is vers/mast for sub ahhahahaah

[vocal surge]

try to keep mastery as low as possible

excess secondaries will go into either Vers or Crit

Just dont exceed beyond 50% vers

because the diminishing return is very strong there

I managed to hit ~51% vers and it doesn't scale well

[tribal badger]

ya idk

[spring bough]

rocking 34 crit and 41 vers right now at 468 ilvl. i have mostly crit/vers gear but still using the thiefs talent

[tribal badger]

law stats r all kinda L

gunna be a weird season

prob go to second vers DR and stack crit after that

see how energy feels and maybe add a little haste

[vocal surge]

Also if you're wondering about the Haste interaction w. Killing Spree and the SND talent hittite

SND scales 1:1 haste to attack speed

and it updates everytime your haste changes

as far as Killing Spree goes

[waxen meteor]

Really need a way to monitor vein

It's hard without an addon

[vocal surge]

it reduces the time between each hit

There is a certain amount of haste required before you can free up 1 GCD slot

[tardy magnet]

i appreciate the fact you think my brain can think that much

[vocal surge]

yw

[tribal badger]

100% isnt it

need to cut the attack speed in half

double it w/e

ksprees haste scaling is really attrocious

i wish the damage per cast scaled instead of cast time

you need such a massive amount of haste to make a difference

like PI + enhance lusting you levels

[vocal surge]

Not really

you can use an enchant to get similar levels

[tribal badger]

to get to nearly 100%?

what enchant is that id love to have it

[tardy magnet]

to be fair i might just stick with sub for a while and see what happens

[vocal surge]

Yeah

I was hitting high 60s and 70s solo

lemme find the name of the enchant

[tribal badger]

the enchant gives u 500 haste

[spring bough]

wafting devo?

[tribal badger]

thats 3.5%

[vocal surge]

Wafting Devotion

[tribal badger]

oh wait its 1000 haste ish

thats better

7%

[vocal surge]

~1.2k ish

and there's another talent that increases the haste multiplicatively

[tribal badger]

so if u had 14% baseline from talents, 10% from wafting, 20% from PI and 30% from shaman lust

you'd probably be close to halving ksprees cast time and getting 1 more gcd

thats a lot of things for a pretty meh gain

kspree scaling is awful ngl

[vocal surge]

Killing Spree
The change converting Killing Spree into a spending is extremely welcoming as it now does damage, mitigates the issue that Outlaw rogues had using the ability which was dying uncontrollably mid use, and haste speeding up the Killing Spree process has an incredible flow going for it. I will say the amount of haste needed to reduce the duration used by Killing Spree is quite an investment with 10.16% haste reducing the duration from 2.8s to 2.54s and ~47% haste reducing the duration all the way down to 1.9s.

This is my note back in PTR of the Haste interaction

[tribal badger]

isnt the base cast time lower now? or is it still 2.8s

i know it was adjusted in the ptr a few times

[vocal surge]

lemme check

Wowhead says 2.8s in the Talent calculator

[tribal badger]

personally i think kspree is pretty bad, even the new one, i preferred it as just a DR and root break

the damage is basically a poor mans shadowy tech that can be cc'd

but i'll take the stagger

[vocal surge]

Yeah

[stoic spruce]

I like how it does damage now

[vocal surge]

its almost the same

[tribal badger]

idk how its going to scale but currently at 7 cp it does a little bit more damage then 1 crackshot crit

[vocal surge]

the reduction of duration to haste

[tribal badger]

maybe the damage of two crackshot btes total

really a very lame hit

[stoic spruce]

We're playing different games

[vocal surge]

So

Killing Spree vs Rogue is good

The way you want to use Killing Spree against the other rogue is when they're retreating and they're about to blow a Vanish

Cast it before they Vanish

and you'll follow them through stealth

[stoic spruce]

Yeah thats a cool interation

[vocal surge]

then grapple hook to the last location you were teleported at and Blade Flurry to kick em out of stealth

or have someone cast an AOE spell there

The other benefit of Killing Spree is using it to damage specific classes outside of your Vanish and Shadow Dance windows

Rogues in Evasion (Shadowstep Killing Spree or Grapple Killing Spree), Warrior's Die by the Sword, Monk's Fist of Fury

list goes on

When you cast it from behind during these windows, your attacks are no longer avoided

[tribal badger]

for its full duration even if you teleport in front?

[vocal surge]

Yeah

[tribal badger]

thats neat

[inner tartan]

no killing spree for pvp

: ( bad

[vocal surge]

I change talents depending on comp

Like I said

this season, Outlaw has a lot of variance in build

[stoic spruce]

For now*

Damn pve nerds getting us nerfed.

[vocal surge]

How so?

[stoic spruce]

Pve nerfs effect pvp

[vocal surge]

Talking about the sims data

since that's pretty big in getting us nerfed

[stoic spruce]

Oh idk. I just meant in general. Outlaw sims pretty high I'm sure.

[vocal surge]

This is one of my PTR dueling builds

[spring bough]

just had a 2s me and a rogue vs arms and a rogue

killing spreed the warrior for 162k

[vocal surge]

Aye

[spring bough]

ambush doing about the same amount of dmg as my BTE lol

8 BTE all crit 446k and 10 ambush for 429k

[vocal surge]

big damage

[spring bough]

running heavy hitter prob why ambush doing so much

[vocal surge]

Yee

[stoic spruce]

Love that talent

[vocal surge]

Also you doing Cheap Shot + Ambush into BTE on opener

[stoic spruce]

Like it not love

[spring bough]

took off switft slash for vers talent and its cooking

[vocal surge]

or

[spring bough]

i opened flurry to get the rogue out of stealth then just went onto war and popped all my cds lol

[vocal surge]

Aye

You used Improveed AR ye?

[spring bough]

right after i got snd up on war popped adrenaline vanished bte started spamming till i had to ambush rinse repeated

keep messing with ghostly or ks idk what i like better

[vocal surge]

im thinking of macroing my ghostly to BTE

specifically on the stealth side

[spring bough]

i macrod it to my sinister/ambush macro

so i can just forget it lol

[stoic spruce]

wiat

wait

my brain is cooking something

@jolly sierra its cominggggg

the ideaaa

https://tenor.com/view/jawoekawoekqaursietgf-gif-20200885

nvm

[jolly sierra]

OOOOOOFFF

CMON CMON

[vocal surge]

lol

[stoic spruce]

has it been less than one minute yet?

[jolly sierra]

yeah but smol indie company

[stoic spruce]

Mage im dumb

nvm im smart

I always thought that the gator ate the bigger number

https://youtu.be/ls5BFzuxGw4?si=UERItOmvKtL2_clG

[jolly sierra]

me gator me win puny number

[jolly sierra]

im yeah

[stoic spruce]

ITS STILL NOT DONE

RAHHHHHH

[spring bough]

I usually force exit launcher and go back in and don’t get that again

[stoic spruce]

im relaunching it now

[waxen meteor]

Damn dead in one stun is too easy

Cheat death i am back

[stoic spruce]

omg I fixed it all by myself and without help from anyone.

Also popo lore

I'm building my portfolio for college and one of the administrators said they already liked what they heard but they need more

End of popo lore

[jolly sierra]

IQ 100

[waxen meteor]

@halcyon timber what's changed for lock this patch? Destro lock seems to be destroying even without casting bolt..

[halcyon timber]

Bolt received new talents/ change in talents to make sure they crank. Bolt was also improved on ptr several times.

All 3 warlocks received updates

They no longer have speed bolts from what im understanding. Was some deal going on about having to move too much and they were changed a bit in lieu of that. So more damage from a lot of ish

[stoic spruce]

I love how everytime I come out of vanish, everyone targets me lol

[jolly bear]

damn outlaw rogue has 2 many buttons lol

[gaunt flax]

yea they do

People still feeling verse/mast for outlaw? Or starting to use haste now?

[vocal surge]

Crit Vers

and some haste

[bleak slate]

what embleshimints are you guys using instead of cloak for sin?

[waxen meteor]

Someone linked a new s3 one earlier today or yesterday

That randomly boosts a secondary stats

[bleak slate]

oh nice, thanks!

[stoic spruce]

outlaw feels so bad without haste gear

the more I play

the more I realize this outlaw is not that amazing in terms of gameplay

[tribal badger]

its heavily tuned around its tier set for pve

i imagine itll help quite a bit in pvp as well

it has massive variance rn in pvp and pve

[stoic spruce]

yeah thats probably it

blitz is boring

I dont see it going far with people the way they are

but I may be wrong who knows

[stoic spruce]

actually im more referring to the gameplay

[tribal badger]

yes thats what i mean

its gameplay is heavily tuned around its tier set

[stoic spruce]

no I mean playing with vanish

[tribal badger]

yea

[stoic spruce]

and shadowdance

[tribal badger]

its lame

u dont do damage outside them really

so u gotta just send em on cd basically

if u want any kind of pressure

u could go for resets and stuff i guess but like

at that point it feels like ur playing law like a bad sub rogue you know

sub does that but more effectively

laws about constant pressure while being tanky

[broken otter]

Looking to cut down on my keybinds for Subtlety PvP. What abilities are safe to macro together, and what abilities are safe to macro as Stealthed/Unstealthed macros?

Like for the latter I have Sap in dance or stealth and the same button is Shiv otherwise

[stoic spruce]

I miss when AR was the only offensive CD

outside of BR and BF ofc

[tribal badger]

Ur also tuned around the fact that in pve u have 90% ar uptime now

So u just run out of energy when are runs out

Even if u get procs

[stoic spruce]

bro do you get close to that in arenas? Because im not lol

[tribal badger]

Nope u certainly do not

The damage is nice rn but I think this design for law might be a bit doomed

Will see how it pans out

When everyone scales up hp wise

Can't wait to see how much damage a 7 cp kspree does to an arms warrior at 490 ilvl

No armor pen is gunna get real noticable

[jolly bear]

wtf is this league of legends?

[sharp pumice]

Cawadoody?

Yeah I played OG MW2 on Xbox and PC, asking us to "treat everyone with respect" is actually hilarious

I've never had more racial slurs hurled my way in my life, and I wouldn't have it any other way

[stoic spruce]

god disc priest is so nasty

[halcyon timber]

There’s a use for everything, I wouldn’t recommend binding things together.

[sharp pumice]

I am wholly aware that this is bad

But I put symbols with shadowstrike

[halcyon timber]

You do you , if it works well , it works

[sharp pumice]

Honestly that's about the only combo bind i use

[halcyon timber]

Ive just been a firm believer in delaying things when necessary

[sharp pumice]

Used to put the damage trinket with shadow dance as well

[broken otter]

I'm just soo low on binds after the rework lol

[halcyon timber]

Sometimes holding half a global yields results

[sharp pumice]

Real answer is get a mmo mouse or do some finger exercises

[halcyon timber]

Can pick mostly passive stuff and you would be fine

[broken otter]

I hate using mouse binds for abilities

[sharp pumice]

And, yes, that's why I stated with the caveat that I'm aware it's a shitter move

[vocal surge]

Its as gwaelii said, Outlaw rn is tuned around the tier set

[halcyon timber]

Bah man , you do what works for you. Doesn’t make you shit

[jolly bear]

thats fuckin facts

[halcyon timber]

Trinketing sap does

Yeah 4 pc on ptr was noticeable

Easy to maintain rolls

As it refreshed what you want wanted fir 30 s

[sharp pumice]

I SO love when people trinket my saps

[halcyon timber]

XD

[sharp pumice]

Believe it or not I've seen that well into the 1900s

[halcyon timber]

Better make damn sure you’re going to eff someone up if you trinket sap / cyclone / fear etc

Hear me out , gm uptime w 4pc and gs “should” be pretty solid

I was a big fan of s. Dispatch when testing on ptr as those 5 stackers felt pretty energy efficient

Improved AR and loaded dice was kinda slick with max gear

Tried fooling around with ss and TYC and the haste was pretty solid to get FF consistently rolling

[halcyon timber]

Also watch out for resto druids. New free heart of the wild every 1 min i think it is and cat form will mess you up prob worse than some damage dealer classes

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=426784/call-of-the-elder-druid

[hexed badger]

Any1 got a good sub BG build?

Or working rather :p

[halcyon timber]

Yeh have to dig a little bit from earlier today but there were a bunch if builds for all rogues floating around

[hexed badger]

Yeah, looking around trying to see if there's any consensus, pretty new to rogue :p

[halcyon timber]

Right on man! Welcome!

All builds are pretty close in damage. Just depends on what you like to emphasize on.

[hexed badger]

Word! Will fiddle around with some I see while I cap honor for next week

[halcyon timber]

Right on man, no better way than checking out what you really like

Plenty of solid options

[cursive umbra]

stat prio sub still vers/mastery?
Stat prio ass still vers/mastery?

#returningplayer ❤️

[languid ravine]

thats what you are pissed about? to treat others with respect?
meanwhile it also tells you to git gud and be a snitch but those two are fine I guess

[wintry dew]

Afaik yes

[cursive umbra]

anyone that can help with startup builds for assa and sub coming back? looked at murlok and my take is people still testing stuff, thinking 2v2/3v3

maybe any conclusions hasnt been figured out yet with what to go though

[sharp sierra]

Does the new honor and conquest gear come out this next Tuesday?

[vocal latch]

i tested the Following:

• Goremaw, dancing macabre, perforating & Rotten and its the burstiest and qol one for me (tracking perforating needs getting used to) -- Cold blood, deeper ,dance on general tree (the one im liking the most, nice cdr, rly bursty, some energy issues sometimes)
• Macabre, goremaw/invigorating, dark brew -- Echoing, dance general (new shadowblades doesnt convince me with this one. nice usual burst but harder to line up those echoes on openers etc)
• The vigor one is lovely, but u drop some burst i cant seem to live without. Feel more like a warrior trying to smash buttons, but not having the damage to stand up to them

*thats for SUB

To note that as soon as we drop S2 set the first one loses quite a bit as we have 1/2 the rotten procs

[cursive umbra]

thanks for the answer! ill look into it!

[marsh ridge]

so what to craft with spark for sub this week?

[thorn pond]

That's the 2 builds for sub I'm using for now. Works well. On the rogue tree you can switch some things around like remove Shiv and take Nimble fingers if you wanna play Elusiveness instead of Cheat Death. It's true that out of a regular burst (with Shadow Blades) you get only 1 out of the 2 rotten procs if you chain CC since there's no real place for another Shadow Strike on the rotation. But, outside of Shadow Blade you can do openings like : Shadow Strike -> Dance -> Cheap Shot -> Cold Blood/Tea/SecretTech -> Symbols/Goremaw -> Shadowstrike -> Cheap Shot -> Evis, so you can use the full rotten buff.

[stoic spruce]

Okay so while killing spree does do damage now, it should still be used to get out of roots and delay damage.

[wary spire]

I would legit recommend to not craft anything yet.

Speaking from experience.

Fucking cumboots.

[stoic spruce]

It's such an energy sink for both Ghostly Strike and Killing Spree

[wary spire]

Man. Wanna try law now. Haven't played it in forever.

Pew pew pew build intrigues me.

[hidden moth]

Im really liking the right build for rbg with tea

[thorn pond]

Yeah, I'm playing this one especially for battlegrounds. The 200 energy, with tea, is really nice to avoid starvation and to get some more uptime on dance. Also the 20% mastery bonus on Tea allows for some big bursts even with Thief's Bargain and without the 7th combo point.

[hidden moth]

Yup

[thorn pond]

Even though I keep a keybind for every abilities, I have a few that are binded together: like Cold Blood with Tea and Tech and Symbols with Goremaw. It allows to cut down the binds on the classic roation without giving away too much (since you won't really want to use goremaw without simbols or tech without coldblood. But you can still use the ability independently if you want: if goremaw is on cooldown you can still use Symbols with Shadow Strike or Coldblood with Evis if SecTech is on cooldown)

[hidden moth]

Burst is broken lol

Goremaw deletes players

[vocal latch]

with the energy build im hitting around 70k less with sec for example

[sharp sierra]

I expect a 20 to 40% nerf on it and evis tbh

[thorn pond]

Yeah the 7 combo points build should be more bursty overall, for arena it should be better than the tea one but for battlegrounds having more energy is really nice haha

[pale storm]

Why? We are playing the new builds and talents against s2 gear when they were tuned for s3 gear with higher vers and bigger health pools

[hidden moth]

with secret tech? 70k?

[hidden moth]

thats true

[floral crest]

Rogues are dangerous holy hell lol…. I just went against one and he basically got me to 35% and ran away and I died

Then bleeds started ticking at 80k and I was laughed.

That can’t be real right?

[sharp pumice]

It was for comedic effect, git gud I'm also okay with, be a snitch, not so much. And actually I'm okay with encouraging being kind to one another, I'm just not okay with enforcing it

[spice harness]

Is outlaw still going for mastery in 10.2 ?

[surreal barn]

If assa when talented into that passive, when they run away and energy regens their bleeds do something like 40% extra dam

[maiden gull]

Ver>crit>haste

[spice harness]

oh damn no more mastery at all lol

ty

[maiden gull]

yeah..xD np

[twin burrow]

how can u check?

[thorn pond]

people did a fair ammount of testing on the ptr

[rigid fox]

SUB>SIN>OUTLAW? Or does it look quite balanced ?

[broken otter]

I’m also kinda curious how Sin is fairing in BG Blitz, compared with Sub.

I haven’t touched PvP since the rework. Just been doing tons of world content at the moment.

[spring bough]

Prob could be any order but won’t know for sure for a couple weeks

[floral crest]

Yea it’s crazy fucking wild. That’s intense dmg

[waxen meteor]

Well the tik part doesn’t change much from s2, just very rarely people pick that talent route in s2

Maybe you had kings bane on you tiking as well?

[floral crest]

Shit@kings and hit for like a MAD amount lol

[waxen meteor]

Yeah it’s quite good

[floral crest]

I’m about to get my rogue setup and BT farm with it… done 3 chars so far

[waxen meteor]

Tbh if healer get cced, the second go from sin can be super deadly

It’s just first go at opening is a bit (or a lot) slow now for sin

Need to setup bleed and kidney and shiv and slice and dice blabla

Without mark for death we potentially have to build the 5 cps more

And the globals to create those 5 cp

[waxen meteor]

lol I am opposite did rogue for 3 days, and side bar 3 other chats

Ret basically has no change I hardly spent time on it yet

DH has pretty decent change, spent quite some time

[jolly sierra]

infurious infurious

[maiden gull]

outlaw is wild so much fun

[torn stump]

ask again, will you choice outlaw's dirty trick on 3v3?

[muted abyss]

thank god sub is broken, they are going to get all of the nerfs and sin will be left alone

[gilded flame]

I was thinking the same thing as outlaw 😄

but I think assassin is closer to also getting nerfs than outlaw so sorry you are next in line

[vocal latch]

i hear so many people calling for nerfs but we still dont know how it looks with full set gear. Am i missing something so obvious?

[gilded flame]

everyone getting gear doesn't change much honestly. The biggest change would be the shift in power from switching tier bonuses

like everyone gets power equally, unless some class scales out of control with a unique interaction from a secondary

but with secondary DRs for the most part no one is scaling them much more this season and likely have to consider putting points into another when they start getting this seasons conquest

[tribal badger]

well pve wise law is still the highest simming spec in the game

sin is middle of the pack

so if we eat pve nerfs that impact pvp outlaws likely gunna be the first to go

[gilded flame]

unless we get lucky and they do one of those sets of nerfs where they counter balance them in pvp they have done recently

[proven kayak]

the embolsihemnt will be still be thing after reset?

[vocal latch]

well u are working with a bigger health pool for istance, where the damage we deal is gated by secondary stats, while health just gets higher. thought it balances off. in bfa it was like that often

[gilded flame]

health pools pretty much increase linearlly with damage

especially with the multipliers on trinket set bonus now

[vocal latch]

thats why as a bursty class it balances off, thats what i mean

[gilded flame]

from some of the (poor as it might have been imo) testing on PTR with the new gear, kill times were if anything, slightly faster, but otherwise around the same

[vocal latch]

we always had a chance to 100-0 by dropping all our cds if they have no wall, dont see what got changed

[vocal latch]

y thats what i mean, dmg seems inflated in all preseasons cuz it "balanced" around the gear that comes after

what i dont get is the big unga bunga buff rogues got that everybody is screaming about, cuz i wanna get in the wagon in case

[sharp pumice]

How come when anyone else gets redesigned they're a murderbot for 2 months, we get redesigned we're... like we're fine but where's the busted op shit at

[tribal badger]

we got redesigned for a new patch instead of mid patch

[worthy crag]

2 months? Hasnt ret been a murderbot for 6 months now?

[topaz delta]

does anyone know what ilvl the honor gear is going to be in S3? both pve and pvp ilvl

[cursive umbra]

thoughts on

[waxen meteor]

Move the haste one to ER then you are good to go

But I personally prefer to not use wound as sin now

But it could be just a preference

And I miss disarm so much

[onyx lotus]

For PvP is there a good source around rotation/priority? or is following the basis of the pve stuff good?

[cursive umbra]

srry, scrub question but a bit more specific please ❤️

[waxen meteor]

Not sure what pve rotation is, but I think for rogues there could be a lot diff

[cursive umbra]

haste one =? ER=? 🙂

[waxen meteor]

Essentially you are doing everything around kidney

Or stun DR whatever you call it

[worthy crag]

would be nice to have subterfuge, id drop 10% bonus to crippling and iron gut

[worthy crag]

crippling talent is nerfed in pvp so its 66 percent snare up from 60

[waxen meteor]

Yeah I would do the same

[cursive umbra]

kk

[waxen meteor]

It’s just subterfuge doesn’t do much either for me in sin

It’s just you either open with CS and double garrot

[worthy crag]

I dont know sin much tbh

[waxen meteor]

Or garrot and cheap

[worthy crag]

but it allows for nice garrote or cheap off of meld stealth

[waxen meteor]

The big garrote anyway can be used in first 3 sec after stealth and have no CD

[worthy crag]

even if some dot takes stealth off instantly

oh didnt know that

[waxen meteor]

Yeah it’s just a more secured cheap shot

Garrote wise, value from subterfuge is limited

[jolly sierra]

why wound without DTB

[waxen meteor]

To have disarm babe!

[jolly sierra]

OOF

also

[waxen meteor]

But yeah I think we have to do deadly

[jolly sierra]

switch alacrity for lethality

[waxen meteor]

Deadly buffs kings bane dmg

[jolly sierra]

think about big kingsbane shots

[cursive umbra]

this talent build is just copied directly from one of the top 5 rogues sin on murlok

then i wanted thoughts 🙂

i have no clue myself ^^

[jolly sierra]

damn lol

well i have a build i took borrowed from shadenox himself and modified it a little

[waxen meteor]

People are just trying things out

[jolly sierra]

maybe u can work w that

sec

[waxen meteor]

So everything could@change

[cursive umbra]

100%, thats why i wanted comments 🙂

[waxen meteor]

Those people might be trying out as well

[cursive umbra]

yeah tno doubt they are

its just good to get input from many people

[waxen meteor]

For me, it’s a dance assassin season with deadly, no wound

[jolly sierra]

try this

[cursive umbra]

ty man

[jolly sierra]

np

[waxen meteor]

Mine is same other than ER two points

Oh and currently I am trying blindside

[cursive umbra]

deadly or wound?

[waxen meteor]

I think we are comparatively more energy thirsty compared to s2 in real game play, but it could be I am testing more 2s over 3s now

So multiple dots coverage is low

[jolly sierra]

deadly w hemo talented

[waxen meteor]

I think along with the season, sudden demise and aoe bleed is interchangeable depends on the lobby

[jolly sierra]

perhaps

[waxen meteor]

Against double melee and when fight somehow gets close to their healer the aoe rupture and garrot can be super unhealable amount

With shiv boosts and dance big garrote

[jolly sierra]

plus shadow dance

can result, sure

[waxen meteor]

Also when we bomb we can attract some of the healer to us

[jolly sierra]

always

[wary spire]

Honestly free ambush feels so good I'm giving up sd before I give up it.

[waxen meteor]

When will we have 1m hit skill

[jolly sierra]

tanks has increased received dmg

but still nasty tho

gotta go a SS

need to hone up

[surreal barn]

Move that one far left point into blindside if you wanna try it, pretty fun

[jolly sierra]

i rlly want blindside

but this guy convinced me to don't

[surreal barn]

Love it

Plus the extra combo point from it is nice since we are picking up dance

[jolly sierra]

i know

its funny murlok.io

assas are pretty undecisive about their stuff

rn

[surreal barn]

I was hitting the dummy forever and really don’t notice a difference when talented with the 2/2 % increase from each bleed/poison up

I put it into extra poison dam instead for kingsbane

[jolly sierra]

i joined a SS

[surreal barn]

And 2 seconds extra for envenom

[jolly sierra]

lets see how it works

deleted a guy

lol

damage is excessive

but sadly rounds takes long till 20s

170k KB initial hit in SS round

40k sudden demise overkill

73k envenom

less than 3 seconds

just felt than the envenom landed and the guy died

[nova viper]

SEEEEEXO

I have you talents '

very good

my spanish

[jolly sierra]

SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[nova viper]

No cabron

amigo*

[jolly sierra]

i modified them a little

[nova viper]

im sorry

[jolly sierra]

wat

[nova viper]

[jolly sierra]

im going like this rn

[nova viper]

In my earlier message I wrote "MY CABRON" because I thought it meant friend

[jolly sierra]

MY FUCKER

XD

[nova viper]

I only know Polish and English, okay?

[jolly sierra]

dw lol

ur good

btw noticed a lot of shit

u use shadow dance in burst window

to trigger MA and use the silence effect from garrote

alongside it without cds

so u make a dirty huge kingsbane

stacked w lethality talent

[jolly sierra]

bad moment to practise

everybody dies in less than 30s

xd

[waxen meteor]

Does solo now impact mmr next season?

[gilded flame]

are you using all the new bloody token gear?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[gilded flame]

yeah that will do it

[jolly sierra]

idk

[gilded flame]

like I was queueing up for shit still using all my 450 stuff

I can't be assed to spam token shit just for this week so

you are gonna hard stomp people with that gear

I was trying to get my outlaw rotation down in PVP since my muscle memory was gone but its like, impossible in skirmishes because some people have that gear. Also, its always no healer so I spend half my globals on survival shit and people slowly die to autos

[jolly sierra]

i went SS\

and ppl just fkn died like a comet

how tf will i learn something w that XD

[gilded flame]

put your old gear on lol

[waxen meteor]

Yeah align yourself to lower end

[jolly sierra]

just did something crazy

did a me win macro

shadow dance + badge + KB

did a 180k regular one against a feral

imagine that as crit

[small quest]

Hey guys, is there going to be a conquest reset next wednesday?

Or is it going to stay? I skipped the entire patch and came back this week

[jolly sierra]

conq will be reseted

[gilded flame]

conquest gone, trophies if you got em gone, honor remains

get at least 11k honor and you are set

[waxen meteor]

NA got only two blood coin gear so far I think

Some world quests of 50ish blood coins

[old brook]

Anyone else experiencing a bug where you character "autoattacks" from mad far away, despite /stopattack macro'd into plenty of things, breaking your vanish/stealth?

I keep getting put into combat and swinging at air and some dmg floats on my screen for something in the distance

[jolly sierra]

got a ret hitting me w a wake of ashes through a pillar

[pale storm]

I’ve definitely vanished out clean no dots and been behind a pillar and somehow get taken out of stealth, wonder if it’s from an ability or dots or something

[cursive umbra]

Whats the gearing process looking like for people on wednesday or early season 2. Of course full honor, but then what? Trophy weapons and go for tier? Do we even go tier? What specs go tier? 🙂 or conq weps first?

[spring bough]

Makes me want to join a skirmish and delete some cry babies lol

[tranquil saddle]

do it, but in palpatine voice

[jolly sierra]

i did when i was testing the shit

deleted a dh and almost deleted a glad ret

but the guy fucked my stealth w a wake through a pillar

wtf

[proven mica]

How does the loss of find weakness feel outlaw brothers?

[thorn pond]

Funny how it’s not even two gcd

[lucid citrus]

These people need to realize that the health pool is going to go up when conq gear comes out lol

[thorn pond]

Honestly, from what I’ve tried so far (both in normal battlegrounds and blitz, with the scaling), we have very good damages on burst and can indeed down someone from 100 to 0 in one go but one defensive and it’s gone basically. Druids don’t even need to trinket to deny a full go haha

[old brook]

https://tenor.com/view/tommyinnit-loading-brain-mcyt-dreamwastaken-gif-19412932

[sharp sierra]

Ahhh shiiiit its friday

Tuning pass notes tonight

will rogues get hit by the long dick of nerf bat?

[safe pelican]

@ all my Sub Rouges what do you think is better

Blades > Dance > Symbols > Goremaw > CB-Tech > Cheap > Evis > Cheap > Evis

Or

Blades > Cheap > Dance > Shadowstrike > CB- Tech > symbols > cheap > Goremaw > Cheap ( for CP ) > Evis > Shadowstrike > Evis

[thorn pond]

It will surely get tuned a bit but I hope we’ll not have huge nerfs

[gilded flame]

the damage is basically the same and in some cases higher, so not much. You might spike cloth harder, might do slightly less to like mail with a shield or something. Thats about it

[safe pelican]

Haven’t gotten much time to hit the dummy but I will this weekend , been doing good dmg opening with the old opening & running cheaps into Evis after tech , idk I feel like it doesn’t even matter long as you get the free full CP evis’s off and Goremaw off while symbols is up but I’m only 1800 what do I know

[thorn pond]

With blades every generator gets you full CP. and you’ll want to cheap first so it would be something like : Blade, dance, cheap and then the damage begin. For the general rotation it’s nice to begin with sec tech: since it’s delayed you can get the Goremaw next and all the damages go at the same time basically.

The rotation I do, if I can, is : blades, dance, trinket -> cheap -> cold blood, tea (if you have it), sec tech -> symbols, goremaw -> cheap -> evis -> cheap -> evis

This would be the optimal go in my opinion

[proven mica]

you want to evisc before your go, even if it's a 1cp evisc

[thorn pond]

Why is that ? I saw many do that but didn’t really understood why : is that because of danse macabre ?

I must have missed something checking the talents haha

[proven mica]

Deeper Daggers for the +8% on goremaw/sectec/shadow blades, and it gives you a finality buff that will last until your first evisc after the goremaw

[thorn pond]

ah indeed

[proven mica]

it depends how much prep time you have though, if you're doing your first go from stealth then yours is good

[thorn pond]

so yeah, evis first and then the other go is better if you already have combo points

[proven mica]

you could also go as far as stacing up 4 perforated blades, or having rupture/dice rolling before you send it all

[safe pelican]

Bet ima run this on the dummy when I get home i need to find a good spot for for Goremaw cause I’m so stuck on my old rot but to touch on what @proven mica said I saw palmour saying that by stacking it off the gloomblade with 4 stacks

[thorn pond]

Yeah true, I was mainly suggesting a « fresh » go

[safe pelican]

Yea I’m speaking on a fresh go to open in arena as well cause nobody’s gunna let you get 4 stacks off gloomblade without retaliating

[safe pelican]

@proven mica are you opening the same way as this on a fresh opener ?

[proven mica]

I haven't really figured it out yet tbh, but that seems fine to me.

[thorn pond]

To get most of dance macabre I imagine begining with an evis instead of sec tech allows you to get the most of sec tech in the end but it gives time to react to sec tech if you don’t manage to connect the second cheap shot, but didn’t really check yet

[safe pelican]

Yea we need something to keep the cc chain while doing dmg

Need something where we can cheap and get off sec tech & goremaws without gapping the stun

[waxen meteor]

I feel finality is quite good now with new shadow blade

when you have shadow blade it's basically X -> Evis -> X -> Evis -> X -> Evis -> ....

[zenith lynx]

Weird question but if I have Outlaw pve gear can I just swap to other spec (like Sub), put on some pvp trinkets and be alright in pvp or will my stats totally mess it up so its not even worth trying?

[old brook]

youll be alright. you can always min/max since the stats wont perfectly line up with gear

not terrible to just start with though

[zenith lynx]

I see. Thank you

[gilded flame]

assuming your pve gear is at least close to 450 though

[waxen meteor]

Well normally if item levels are okay, you basically can do okay

but pvp entry level gear level in arena is not low

[nova viper]

gibe me code

im lazy bitch

[jolly sierra]

gibe moni huehuehue

[nova viper]

i have something better

my love

[jolly sierra]

wut

[jolly sierra]

BMQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfsplEhIBBAAAAAg0SiUSCAAAAAAUKJJEiIJpEBJJSikEJRr1iAA

take them

[nova viper]

danke!

ich libe

eine

code

ya

[sharp pumice]

why does alliance seem to have better bgs now

that was very not true a billion years ago

[jolly sierra]

no hay problema lol

[jolly sierra]

that is from pov of person

if u are in ally

u will lose

if you are in horde

u will too

[gilded flame]

except with crates in world pvp. When I am horde, literally no one shows. When I am alliance, literally no horde shows

[sharp pumice]

kek

that may be the case

maybe it's just been me this whole time dragging teams down

;_;

[stoic spruce]

I promise you it is not

At least in MA

Na

Horde NEVERRRRR wins

[jolly sierra]

damn i've seen in NA ppl walking backwards at 1k4

can believe that

[halcyon timber]

I believe it was updated on ptr in the tooltip. Same time just mathing it out on ptr (1 in x hits out of a testable 100 uses of this finisher yields y results and test it 3x to prove or disprove data) It can’t occur often or it has to be weak by nature and fairness.it moderately occurs.

[safe pelican]

Ally actually plays as a team cause it not a lot of kids on ally a lot of old fooks just tryna see blue lol

On my horde rogue everyone just does what they want never again

[halcyon timber]

Unlucky bgs or mfs just fooling around talking about how their nephew’s hot dog has carl as its name and they waste time talking about garbage instead of the bg

[stoic spruce]

Alliance has casual conversations while going 3-0 on CTF maps

[hearty lodge]

Is assassin still the go-to spec for new players in pvp?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[hearty lodge]

Want to try out battleground blitz. Preferably on a spec that does good in bgs.

[jolly sierra]

cmon players dont die so fast i wanna test this shit out

did this in a skirmish against a lock

KB did 200k dmg but was absorbed into a dark pact

alright this one was good

second one is KB initial dmg

fourth one internal bleeding

against a SP and an arcane

[waxen meteor]

Is there some setup we can do to boost initial hit dmg from KB?

[jolly sierra]

yeah

its easy actually

[waxen meteor]

Teach me pls

[jolly sierra]

SND> all dots up > kidney shot > shiv > shadow dance + kingsbane

[waxen meteor]

Why would that boost initial hit dmg of kingsbane?

[jolly sierra]

well

both shadow dance and shiv increases the dmg

the other stuff is just to following dot dmg from same KB

shiv would boost nature damage and i recall shadow dance does increase rog dmg itself

[spring bough]

bout to try this out so i can drop kiddies the second they hit 35% lol

thats mean going w the extra dmg below 35% talent too LOL

[jolly sierra]

the dmg is disgusting

specially in low hp

cuz u got a stroke

[spring bough]

sounds like it lol

[jolly sierra]

from the other guy w sudden demise

[spring bough]

sin without 4 poisons feels weird to me now tho lol

[sharp pumice]

I've been making sure I have envenom up before I KB, thinking it was based mostly on poison procs

[spring bough]

just hit 300k dps with outlaw in wintergrasp think i was on 3-4 targets pumping crackshots getting 91k blade flurries lol

[sharp pumice]

Then saving deathmark for after to punch people down when they're low, as it's bleed damage, not poison, that procs sudden demise

[jolly sierra]

think that does works just w lethal poison procs

unless it does increase nature dmg itself, then its the same

[vapid ledge]

What should I do with all my leftover conquest from farming BGs this week?

[wary spire]

I just bought transmogs.

[waxen meteor]

Death mark lasts quite long if there’s no threat to clean it you can cast it early

It actually could help you push to 35% faster

And still there after 35%

[wintry dew]

Does anyone know the PvE ilevel of our PvP items (conquest gear?)

if it will scale well into pve content

[tawny kestrel]

should be same ilvl as pve tier chest

[wintry dew]

Thanks raz

[tawny kestrel]

473

that has been the case the other 2 tiers at least

and shadowlands

[wintry dew]

but the upgrade this time around will be diff

[tawny kestrel]

wym

[wintry dew]

no more honor upgrades afaikl

[tawny kestrel]

oh really

[wintry dew]

it will require the new "pve" items

[tawny kestrel]

ah the crests

[wintry dew]

yes

[tawny kestrel]

well thats shit

0 reason to do pvp at all

[wintry dew]

i was talking to my friend in discord, he actually enjoys the change bcs he can now use the PvP items at max pve ilevel

[tawny kestrel]

shit change

[wintry dew]

let me come back to you with a link

if they find it again

link is from a boosting service so i'll stick to that

[waxen meteor]

I got some flightstone from new map quest

But it sucks hard this change

[tawny kestrel]

oh its flightstones

not crests

[waxen meteor]

But it does also say we will get flight stone from pvp activities

[tawny kestrel]

yeah but flightstones are whatever

u get a million of those

thought it was crests

which are capped each week

[wintry dew]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/latest-pvp-season

[waxen meteor]

Guys do you think it’s better to use death mark for additional go between dance/kb CD or do together with dance/kb for a bigger go?

I guess the answer is depends … but would like to see how we think

[tawny kestrel]

well u prob shouldnt use all of it at once

i think the most important thing for kingsbane damage is just to make sure u have envenom buff up before u pop kingsbane

for poison application

[wintry dew]

Raz have you started playing with the talents this season?

was trying to find something for sub like last season (rotten + sectech)

[tawny kestrel]

nej ive done nothing pvp related

dont wanna this off season

seems pointless without farming bloody tokens

ill be busy w pve for the first few weeks anyways, by the time im done ppl will prob have figured out pvp shit

[wintry dew]

Hehe, i fully farmed two classes with bloody tokens already, it also helped there were 2Wquests with 500B.T reward up this week.

[tawny kestrel]

yeah i have 1.3k coins but just saving them

[wintry dew]

Dw dw hope you have fun PvEing first weeks

[tawny kestrel]

always, its my favorite time

[wintry dew]

@waxen meteor do you by chance have any sub builds? any favourites?

[waxen meteor]

I am trying three builds no clear fav yet

Gear can be too much diff

Also I have been mostly doing skirmish so player issue exists

[waxen meteor]

Thanks that’s very helpful I think I didn’t pay attention to that

[tawny kestrel]

assa 4 set just got buffed by a bit more

[lucid citrus]

thats nice

[tame rivet]

makes it so much easier to gear alts now with the 1.5k BOA honor box - basically after you're done buying honor gear for the season you're done needing any honor on ur main

[lucid citrus]

anyeone know what the head enchant is?

[sharp sierra]

boys

we dodged the nerf bat

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/1708060-class-tuning-incoming-november-14/

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gif-drake-gif-26307972

[waxen meteor]

But lock still getting buffs?

[safe pelican]

Frost Mage needs more of a nerf they clappin’ cheeks rn ngl

[sharp pumice]

does the hellbloom set work in battlegrounds or no

like the set bonuses

[tawny kestrel]

no

[sharp pumice]

Awww, boo, okay

Reason they weren't letting it work in there obviously still applies but I'd hoped they'd loosened that

[halcyon timber]

Our dev said we aren’t over performing based on ptr full gear.

Was like last week of ptr

Yeah it seemed solid w full gear and haste

Dang

[halcyon timber]

No idea, need full gear to test the true power of it

[waxen meteor]

Warlock is so shit to play in open world

Cannot chase anyone

Have to resummon pet and rebuil stone everytime out of arena

and in

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-11668413419246735528

[sharp pumice]

if we get rated honor blah blah

will our vault thing be s3 shit next week or no

[waxen meteor]

shouldnt

[sharp pumice]

swear I ask these questions every season

I have like, giveashit amnesia or something

[waxen meteor]

I saw this in Paladin discord …

Super bloom gear to tier..

[halcyon timber]

Hm looks like a bug

Wouldn’t risk burning a spark

[proven sapphire]

give me 10.2 talent build plz

[sharp pumice]

what's the preliminary meta sub pvp build

arena, mostly, though I'd be interested in RBG builds too

[proven sapphire]

Im more interested in the one shot

and theres zero resources here

[sharp pumice]

well the class got redesigned recently

why I'm asking about preliminary

'cuz that shit'll change up

[keen orchid]

Anyone rocking assa pvp? i wanna see some talents

[tribal badger]

u can turn any epic gear basically into tier

doesnt change that we dont have a catlyst charge to actually use that on until next week

[inner tartan]

that was my first thought when seeing that hahah

[inner tartan]

not a bug

super bloom gear is like time rift gear u can turn it into lfr level teir

[halcyon timber]

Right on that’s slick

[inner tartan]

hell ya

[gritty heart]

god saved sub

[sharp pumice]

whats arms warrior secondary stats

[inner tartan]

is there a addon or wa for pvp which track spawm time of the buff ( cd reset berseker speed etc if so please share

[harsh sigil]

Please forgive the super basic question here, but... with the rework, is sub still doing well in pvp? Idk what it's like at a high level, but felt really good as a casual pvper in 10.1. What spec are most folks planning on running?

[sour charm]

Sub does absurd Damage currently.
So does Assa assumimg Kingsbane doesn't get dispelled.
Assa still has no actual tankiness compared to Sub so I assume its gonna be a 2s spec mostly.

I haven't touched Outlaw so I can't tell you about that

[harsh sigil]

Awesome, ty for the info. That tankiness of sub is what I really enjoyed in s2; was hoping the damage stuck around as well. Atm just wanting to get this blood token set or whatever for the mog. So, if it's continuing how it was last phase, that'll be perfect

[sour charm]

Goremaws build seems to hit really hard at least. What the best way to play it is we don't know yet, always takes some experimentation after a rework.
You can't really go wrong with Sub though. Assa/Outlaw might be better depending on comp and upcoming tuning but that'll get figured out in time

[harsh sigil]

Literally everything I needed to know, ty. While the current goal is just to gank in wpvp a bit, I am wanting to pvp a bit this season if not just for like 1800-2k ish. So, I'll definitely keep an eye out on how things progress

I'm very familiar with sub, almost as familiar with outlaw, but have never touched sin

[sour charm]

Ye for Ganking just stick wuth sub. The burst potential, two vanishes and the survivability definitely makes Sub the go to for that

[halcyon timber]

All 3 are solid with different but comparable damage. You can’t go wrong with either. Find your style of rogue by experimenting and see what sticks with you. It feels a lot like cataclysm in some ways.

We aren’t in full gear so no one has really solid defense or appropriate life pools. Max gear ptr testing was good. Rogues do good damage but it wasn’t ridiculous. We should be killing people when they have no cds so don’t believe other classes’ propaganda either. There are far more spooky things than us in full verdant gladiator gear. Many different equal damage builds as well. Have fun and keep a cool head man.

[thick slate]

anyone has a perforated veins WA ?

to track my stacks

[broken otter]

I do, I’ll get it to you in a minute. Not at my PC.

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[thick slate]

Fucking awesome. Thanks my guy

[broken otter]

Np

[potent pivot]

wut

[stoic spruce]

If there were resources here, they'd be wrong due to the season not even starting yet.

[potent pivot]

yeh i usually wait until a couple weeks into the season, then try to edit as needed as the season progresses and things shift

when it comes to pre-season shit everyone has the same resources available to them as anyone else, check out rogues on twitch, check out wowhead/iceyveins/murlok.io if it's updated

in general i believe wowhead should have the builds that i've recommended, but those could very well be obsolete first week

[steep trail]

guys qusetion please - I saw some guys in 2v2 going at us with S3 gear, what am I missing and they don't to get also such gear?

[worldly gale]

Maybe bloody token gear ? I'm was about to ask if they are worth to farm to get this 473 gear.

[proven kayak]

Outlaw is insane if you stuck crit

[proven kayak]

I tested it for sub is worth to take only the pieces with mastery

[worldly gale]

Yey, that's what i assumed too ! Thanks !

[proven kayak]

Also weapons

Np

Dagger + sword or mace their mastery dif is like 10

[sharp sierra]

Does honor / conquest we earn this week count for s3?

[marble oasis]

conquest 100% no
honor usually carries over but that's assuming they don't just fancy deleting it also xD

[sharp sierra]

thx

[cursive umbra]

What gearing path you guys recommend for start s3? What to get with trophies? What tier and when? Weps first? Thinking sub and assa as they are both vers/maatery

[wintry dew]

I'd say get your weapons right off the start

conq weapon + bloody tokens weapons upgraded

Gearing wise, must of us are getting 15k honor this week so we can get a full set of honor vendor gear next reset

You can, however, also farm bloody tokens (activate warmode)

[stoic spruce]

Don't even look at bloody token gear. Just get 15k honor and go full honor gear on season launch

And we don't know what stats or what pieces to go where.

Idk why people obsess with wpvp gear when it gets replaced week 1

[wary spire]

Gives stuff to do.

[stoic spruce]

That's fair

[cursive umbra]

Stuff to do + youll "need" some of it anyway later cus in the beginning its always a mix of trophy gear and conquest gear

Yeah theres no stress geting it but it doesnt hurt. Then you can spend time doing other stuff later when theres actual content (like arena and/or pve or whatever floats your boat)

And its hard to tell what pieces you may actually want later cus vaults always a thing where you may or may not be lucky. So I personally just get it all now when theres nothing else to do

[jolly sierra]

kingsbane cant be normally dispelled

[sour charm]

Did they change it this patch?

[spring bough]

what is this hour long maintenance today lmao

[jolly sierra]

dunno but the debuff is red

brought a dwarf to test

and was unable to dispell it

heh

[sour charm]

I assume Cloak talent still works

But good that they changed it

[waxen meteor]

Oh nice to know dwarf cannot dispel it

[sour charm]

Ye cloak with talent still works.

SInce that thing just removes everything in the game for some reason

[jolly sierra]

its still ok

u would make them spent their biggest dispell by 2m cd with a 1m cd ability

but remember to shadow dance ur kingsbane so u will have it w bigger crit

[sour charm]

I appreciate it but I am not gonna click SD on Assa.

Everyone esle who is less autistic should though

[alpine tinsel]

Yo whats going on with Assa that mutilate is proccing to Ambush? Its outside of dance

[sour charm]

https://a.uguu.se/rkcSyzFU.png

Blindside procs now replace Muti with Ambush by default

[waxen meteor]

Blindside has always been good since DF

It’s just better now and easy to pick now

[sour charm]

Playing without it felt really boring before already tbh

kinda the same now since you dont even need to press ambush anymore. At least it does chunky damage

[spring bough]

any1 done this superbloom yet?

[wary spire]

You don't upgrade the Bloody token gear this time.

You just buy the better version.

So the lower tear BT gear is actually useless.

[waxen meteor]

I did

What’s up

[spring bough]

any point in doing them? guessing you get gear and stones and all that?

[waxen meteor]

Oh yeah some random stuff nothing major

You can just stop by the moving tree around 7th minute ish of an hour

Then if you faction gets last boss you just automatically get superbloom, probably you need to also hit boss once

[spring bough]

i tried rolling up on it last night and forgot to get the quest so i missed out on w/e rewards they give lol

then realized the weekly in valdrak is also superbloom quest too so you can knock two quests out w one bloom

[waxen meteor]

Yeah I did that on my rogue

Two missions at once

It’s kinda hard for me cause it’s just alliance dominating the world map most time

But luckily my first run was a success

[spring bough]

hoping we get some bloody token WQs after this maintenance

[waxen meteor]

But it seems we don’t really need blood token anymore?

[jolly sierra]

played w blindside and ended returning to TTB

[waxen meteor]

You can’t upgrade with trophy anymore

[jolly sierra]

when i needed the procs they never made presence

[waxen meteor]

It’s alright the shiv dmg is not that high anyway

Especially in s3 standard

[jolly sierra]

yeah was pretty low

tbh im still doubtful

[spring bough]

did some optimization guides for my SSD while waiting for the servers to come back and my computer running faster than ever lol