lethality is only builders
#pvp
gilded flame
so for us almost exclusively effects ambush and its only going to be 10% crit dam in pvp
and pistol shot I guess but thats nothing now since I don't think we will ever be running greenskins now
halcyon timber
Yeah gsw was pretty heavy on ptr w lethality 2/2 and hh
Would spike the heck out of crackshot windows
muted abyss
man, adding bloody gear and not having honor gear purchasable right now was a mistake
people running around in 900k hp lol
halcyon timber
Freakin unemployment buffed it all night
torn stump
Yeah gsw was pretty heavy on ptr w lethality 2/2 and hh
what's gsw
gilded flame
greenskins wickers
spring bough
I gotta get this ambush / sinister strike macro going now so I can have one less button
halcyon timber
what's gsw
Greenskins wickers lucky my boy
gilded flame
the pistol shot does more damage after BTE next to killing spree
torn stump
wait, you mean Lethality in pvp just +10%crit dmg?
gilded flame
I just like KS too much I like that extra DR it brings
torn stump
Greenskins wickers lucky my boy
thanks
gilded flame
even though I liked 35% flat much more than damage delay 😦
halcyon timber
Yeah ks is very solid now
gilded flame
opening on someone with feint up and blackjack going and KS their opening burst is embarassing to them
halcyon timber
Well cool thing is you can cloak that delay off too
gilded flame
well yeah but unless its life or death I am not blowing 2min cloak on that shit
gilded flame
I guess vs absolutely no magic damage maybe
torn stump
in 3v3, which one is good, Vigor or Lethality?
spring bough
KS feels so good I’m never dropping it
halcyon timber
More energy = more stabby
gilded flame
like haha MM hunter I just KS your whole opener and cloaked it off get wrecked
halcyon timber
XD
gilded flame
I love KS but its still a flex point for me
halcyon timber
Yep the beauty of choices
halcyon timber
Dispat felt like a good all around
Was good for any build
Esp heavy ass crackshot windows
torn stump
More energy = more stabby
so, 100% sure Vigor better?
halcyon timber
Meaty ass dispatches
spring bough
I tried dropping it for GSW yesterday for a while didn’t really notice a difference tbh cause I only hit KS if it’s like oh shit
halcyon timber
so, 100% sure Vigor better?
Don’t take my word for it, experiment and see what suits you and your style the most :). A happy lucky is the best lucky.
Ive never been a fan of stabbing something 2x and waiting on energy so theres that
Which was the whole point of them doing 2/2 for choice now. Mind you energy costs did go up as well on some abilities versus 10.1.7
torn stump
Ive never been a fan of stabbing something 2x and waiting on energy so theres th...
hate waiting energy too.
what about pvp talents choice?
I like this 5pvp talent, then choice 2, how to choice?
or maybe I just like not more than 1active pvp talent, how to choice?
when I play 3v3, my teammate most of 2caster, is it Take your Cut good?
languid ravine
Which was the whole point of them doing 2/2 for choice now. Mind you energy cost...
my most charitable guess is that you always want three capstones and have exactly one flex point left over OR 0 flex points left if you take the two strongest capstones (tea+dance)
or maybe Vigor was legit too strong for one point relatively speaking
waxen meteor
Mission: Take the Valdrakken portal to Emerald Dream, god where is it
spring bough
I like this 5pvp talent, then choice 2, how to choice?
I do brawler, veil every time. I am using take your cut now but swap it from time to time to turn the tables
jolly sierra
Mission: Take the Valdrakken portal to Emerald Dream, god where is it
where the green dragons
no joke
lol
waxen meteor
where the green dragons
Found it..
languid ravine
to enter the dream you need to use the bed-shaped portal at the Inn and fall asleep in it 
torn stump
how about this?
torn stump
I do brawler, veil every time. I am using take your cut now but swap it from tim...
I think in 3v3 TyC useful too.
gilded flame
i almost always use brawler and dismantle and default to take your cut, but flex dismantle if no disarms and take your cut if I need veil or smoke bomb
take your cut is a pretty huge dps increase for party members imo
torn stump
take your cut is a pretty huge dps increase for party members imo
yes, I saw some top rogue use TyC too.
gilded flame
rogue talents in general have a lot of situational what ifs so its good to be flexible
inner tartan
I like this 5pvp talent, then choice 2, how to choice?
i dunno unless it spell caster i always run the cloak talent
gilded flame
brawler I think is the one set in stone for sue the rest arent
inner tartan
and in bgs / open world i always take the cloak talent
spring bough
how about this?
You NEED to have ace for BTE crackshot windows
gilded flame
I am way too scared to put that much into a single button but I guess its just better overall
spring bough
You NEED to have ace for BTE crackshot windows
Talent right below quick draw
torn stump
You NEED to have ace for BTE crackshot windows
I dont like 35% chance...
gilded flame
you will when you get 4 in a row lol
thats a ton of fucking damage and they can't kite it if you get those resets
keep in mind Ghostly Strike is off the GCD now if you didn't know
makes it insanely useful
halcyon timber
my most charitable guess is that you always want three capstones and have *exact...
For sure i agree. Choices are solid enough to be able to flex around. Realz did a damn good job.
gilded flame
3 rogue trees might be my favorite talent trees in the game right now
and I did a lot of alting late season so I tried to get good knowledge on all of them
torn stump
keep in mind Ghostly Strike is off the GCD now if you didn't know
I know GS now is no-gcd, but not enough talent point.
gilded flame
the rework to DH might have been solid but I still feel like their trees are a pain to navigate
inner tartan
tank dh pops of
torn stump
fatal flourish and improved main gauche, 2choice1, which one better?
lucid citrus
Guys is GSW mandatory if you run crackshot?
inner tartan
no
lucid citrus
Cool
waxen meteor
We need the water walk with sprint back!!
spring bough
Calling outlaw as S tier now. Just cause I want it to dominate lol
torn stump
is it outlaw the best pvp talent in 3v3?
spring bough
how do you feel this talent?
Idt many will use it if any at all
tribal badger
fatal flourish and improved main gauche, 2choice1, which one better?
U cannot skip ff
Outlaw does not function without it
It's 50% of our energy gen
uneven grove
i wanna fleshcraft for fucking assa
good old days
what build are u playing now? anyone playing shadow dance assa?
torn stump
It's 50% of our energy gen
yes, thanks
brisk bobcat
Hey friends! Back into PvP since wod.. I’m honor capped, ready for next week. Do we know bis embellishments yet?
waxen meteor
It seems just boot, other embleishment is soso
i will probably still do cloak, anyway it's better than nothing
brisk bobcat
Yeahhh.. so we’d just have to recraft with new spark?
spring bough
It seems just boot, other embleishment is soso
I’m thinking stat boot and a zen piece. Or thorn boots and toxic patch
Since fangs and cloak got the nerf stick
waxen meteor
I’m thinking stat boot and a zen piece. Or thorn boots and toxic patch
fangs got nerfed too?
brisk bobcat
Sorry noob question, what’s stat boot and zen piece?
gilded flame
its good I was here for this, there wasn't enough outlaw talk yet
spring bough
fangs got nerfed too?
Yeah the wep embellish got a 50% nerf in pvp I believe could be more
gilded flame
50% in PVP and another nerf for PVE
almost all the embellishments got nerfed in PVE with a good number of them getting a stacking pvp nerf too
so most of them are shit now
spring bough
Is there a zen piece for crit
spring bough
It’s the one embellish that adds secondary stat if you’re over 90% health
I know there is a mastery one. Pretty sure there is a haste one. Not sure if there is a crit one
Might be good to rock that w stat boots then
Looks like we won’t use tier helm so could use the conq token from the quest to make a helm and slap that on it
waxen meteor
wow reads quite good
spring bough
Might use that new embellish on a helm then
gilded flame
the mastery over 90% health is the only one, there is no other secondary that does that
spring bough
Def not using the mastery one as outlaw this season lol
brisk bobcat
Oh shit we playing outlaw this szn?
gilded flame
I wouldn't use it as melee anyway you are rarely going to be over 90% like that when you are sitting in cleaves and shit
gilded flame
Oh shit we playing outlaw this szn?
all t he chads are
spring bough
Been outlaw every season since shadowlands regardless if it’s good or bad lol
gilded flame
im addicted to being able to fully buff before I go into stealth and come out guns blazing literally
brisk bobcat
Sub lowkey looks insane, but didn’t test ptr
inner tartan
Been outlaw every season since shadowlands regardless if it’s good or bad lol
💪
should for pvp i macro ghostly strike into killing spree
gilded flame
nah
they CD matches up but you are almost always aiming to GS into a solid BTE burst pref during AR
with it being off the GCD its way too easy to control exactly when you want it
halcyon timber
Yeah the crit was was changed to while above 70% life
worthy crag
If outlaw is going crit now that means itll be pretty hard to get gearsets for both sub and outlaw huh
gilded flame
honestly mast outlaw is likely closer to max than anything else sub
waxen meteor
So many healer walking on map like a bully dude
gilded flame
if you have any interest in sub at all go mastery and just deal with it
spring bough
im addicted to being able to fully buff before I go into stealth and come out gu...
I keep reading that we should RTB before adrenaline on that first stealth for when we get tier so we get 3 RTB buffs
That four set is going to be HUGE (DT voice) lmfaooooooooooo
gilded flame
I could see that, but then you give up a GCD of BTE
I honestly don't give much of a shit what my buffs are in pvp I just let them happen
spring bough
Def want the crit RTB buff up all times
Cause when it is during stealth windows it’s almost a 100% crit chance for bte
It adds what 60% crit? Ontop of if you have 30% or so base. Too good to give up I feel like
gilded flame
30% base + 20% from the buff from using BTE
so yeah its pretty much making BTE crit always
but I mean if we are going for crit as a stat I think we hit 40% easy if not more
gilded flame
you want any buff but you have little control over them. I don't have the mental bandwidth to be micro managing them in pvp so I chose to take what I get
spring bough
RIP but still hitting 100ks ez lol
spring bough
Yeah. Hitting about 125ks at 461
gilded flame
thats not 450 lol
spring bough
It was around 105ks with 450
gilded flame
oh clothies
well then that explains it
I really don't think any secondary has that much value that its a big deal, thats still a pretty good bonus
halcyon timber
It adds what 60% crit? Ontop of if you have 30% or so base. Too good to give up ...
Yep and broadside crit too
gilded flame
like if we really go crit its still a pretty low value, especially when you get the buff you are maxing crit chance on BTE even with barely any crit rating
halcyon timber
For bte and other abilities crits are like 15% ?
spring bough
I was thinking 4pc and use crafted helm since helm is only tier without crit
gilded flame
all our secondaries basically suck and its a best of the worst
gilded flame
I would really think this season we are hitting heavy DR on verse at this point anyway
almost everyone is going to be crafting it away because of that
we went up 39 dang ilvls
spring bough
Yeah Verm was saying we will hit DR for vers feel like we may be swimming in it
gilded flame
I am going for 4pc either way
halcyon timber
Yeah it was damn nice w full tier
gilded flame
the less I gotta worry about rolls the better
spring bough
I think week one is conq wep, upgrade wpvp gear and convert to tier and then hit 1600 and we starting to rock 2pc already
Then pray for 3pc from vault
halcyon timber
Yep pretty much the plan
spring bough
Do we get a spark this week or is it next
halcyon timber
Yeah and in war within , pvp vault is gone away
We get more bang for our buck w conquest instead
Yes got a full spark ready to roll
spring bough
Is that from the campaign quests? Or just pvp weekly box
halcyon timber
Campaign and a quest from lady moonberry
spring bough
Got it thanks
halcyon timber
No sweat man
waxen meteor
Yeah mostly week1 will be main hand weapon, week2 unlock 2 tier
worthy crag
does pve and pvp share same rules for stats having diminishing returns
Or is stat DR still a thing
muted abyss
what's stat prio for outlaw this season?
spring bough
Vers, crit, haste, mastery
muted abyss
damn, I need like 2 rogues
spring bough
Make sure all y’all outlaws update your sinister macro to include ambush one button needed now for it all. Can free up some button space
jolly sierra
what build are u playing now? anyone playing shadow dance assa?
shadow dance assa
ye
btw just ate a spider
lol
brisk bobcat
Do we get conq wep week 1?
waxen meteor
btw just ate a spider
euuu
brisk bobcat
Then just tier from wpvp chest/legs and 1600?
halcyon timber
Or is stat DR still a thing
Drs are still in effect, they messed up in bfa and will never repeat that again
Silly 900% versatility on warlocks and ish
gilded flame
there is two aspects to DR. Stats naturally DR because adding 1% to 100% is less than adding 1% to 140%. But also the ratings DR as in after you have 30% of a stat you get 90% value from the same rating, then I think its 37% you get 80% value
worthy crag
i see
waxen meteor
Which specs can clear kings bane?
spring bough
Can’t it be dispelled?
gilded flame
druid evoker monk paladin shaman looks like
spring bough
So healers like monk all that
gilded flame
its a poison
as well as any racial that removes poison (and survival bandage too)
I mean I assume every assa already knows survival just hard counters you by now though
and shaman can totem it they might not be able to with their 8 second dispel though
yeah its only the totem so theoretically you can counterplay that a bit
waxen meteor
druid evoker monk paladin shaman looks like
DK and Priest can do that too right?
I don't recall exactly
gilded flame
priest can't dispel poison
because offensive dispel was considered a part of their "dispel kit"
waxen meteor
I remember priest can clean poison in DF just nobody picks that talent mostly
gilded flame
same with shaman but the new totem added poison to their list
the general idea was each healer had 3 classes of shit they could remove, from magic, poison, disease, curse, and offensive
sharp pumice
okay but for real why are my poisons dropping off my weapons so often now
gilded flame
but the only healer that can't do poison at all is priest
sharp pumice
on zoning it seems
waxen meteor
ok
gilded flame
sounds like the bug just came back because of course
waxen meteor
I see
sharp pumice
why aren't poisons just semipermanent like DK chants
halcyon timber
F psn cleanse totem
waxen meteor
Which DPS specs can remove poison?
halcyon timber
Evoker cauterize
gilded flame
thats a healer tho
halcyon timber
Shaman
gilded flame
was on my list already lol
halcyon timber
Dev can
gilded flame
basically the list I gave is the same answer is my point
halcyon timber
Cauterize is a class talent no?
gilded flame
"druid evoker monk paladin shaman looks like"
dps or healer its true for all of them and add in survival hunter specifically
doesn't matter if they dps or not, the only thing being a healer adds to a dispel is magic
halcyon timber
Yes that’s true, was responding specifically to that question for specificity sake though
gilded flame
according to multiple people yesterday I thought they said it could be
halcyon timber
Test it
gilded flame
but I asked yesterday because before no one used it so I had no idea
halcyon timber
Aint gonna defend every time
jolly sierra
imagine w the lethality talent proc
halcyon timber
Yeh needs to be filthy
jolly sierra
plus having more crit talented
gilded flame
I figure you try your best to cross CC to stop dispelling it sure
halcyon timber
Yeh
gilded flame
or bait dispel then go ham, if none of the DPS can stop it
spring bough
KB def can. I tired it in an arena and it only had the initial hit no dot damage not sure if it was dispelled, detoxed or immuned but there was def no dot damage
waxen meteor
Most likely gonna dance cheap or garrot (if stun DR) on healer
gilded flame
its all just shit I never want to deal with so I swear off assa no matter how good it is
spring bough
its all just shit I never want to deal with so I swear off assa no matter how go...
Same here lol
halcyon timber
Kb is fat af
gilded flame
I love the gameplay of assa though
halcyon timber
Yeah its pretty sick now
jolly sierra
im still getting used to shadow dance
tribal badger
I dont think it can be dispelled that would be wild
jolly sierra
and feint
halcyon timber
Its cool the direct dmg is back too
tribal badger
Maybe bopped
gilded flame
I dont care if it sucks that stacking slow pvp talent is fun as hell because so many people have no fucking clue and simply CANNOT stand still
spring bough
I like that indiscriminate is passive now for sin
spring bough
Zeis was saying w initial hit and dot that KB can do around 600k
hidden moth
how is assa compared to sub? which is stronger
gilded flame
sub
jolly sierra
well maybe later
gilded flame
simply b ecause of the defensive kit imo
gilded flame
also duel is still insane
gilded flame
I tihnk its a valid option both are probably good for different reasons
waxen meteor
I was thinking about @worthy crag 's build to oriented on both spesis and bite with vein
without finality
sharp pumice
do rogues feel squishier now or is that just me
jolly sierra
do rogues feel squishier now or is that just me
u have lost the versa talent
vocal latch
Did anyone try tea over CB for sub?
nope not yet, but cb with sec is hard to pass on for me for those 5 sec im going for the kill
and srsly, dunno what i would pick if i drop sec
sharp pumice
u have lost the versa talent
is that making that big of a difference? holy shit
spring bough
logged in to another 500 BLOODY TOKENS WQUEST
US? Can’t wait to get home lol
spring bough
Damn they like you EU boys better
vocal latch
why u farming that? for an advantage for a week or am i missing something?
spring bough
I wish I got trophies before they took them out lol
wintry dew
why u farming that? for an advantage for a week or am i missing something?
first and foremost : transmog
besides that, there will be pieces (offset usually) we will want from bloody tokens
due to stats
muted abyss
I wish I got trophies before they took them out lol
those got removed
vocal latch
seemed they all go with higher versa then mastery, wouldnt mind in rbg, but arena mastery is quite tasty
wintry dew
there will be conquest items that wont have mastery
so we cover those with Wpvp ones
or even crafted
vocal latch
do they put craftable ones later? came back 1 month ago so i dont know how start of s2 was
waxen meteor
Skirmish is fully of rogues
unkempt vine
Rogue got a big rework so lots of testing going on right now for us. Compared to something like frost mage, which wasn't even listed in patch notes 😅
unkempt vine
US? Can’t wait to get home lol
PVP WQ rewards (maybe all?) Are different for each character.
I've got 4 pieces of the world pvp gear through wq on 1 rogue, and nothing on another.
spring bough
Oh that’s good to know I hope I got a token one when I get home
unkempt vine
do they put craftable ones later? came back 1 month ago so i dont know how start...
You can craft every slot as a PvP item now. Gated by sparks, you get half a spark every week. You also have to buy a conq item to add into the craft to have it scale for PvP.
vocal latch
those spark things thought they throw them at u
cuz i know how to craft the stuff, but didnt know they starve u with them in early season
unkempt vine
They throw them at you when you are behind the curve
vocal latch
ye as i was only back end of season makes sense
unkempt vine
So world PvP mastery gear is bis until we are rolling in sparks, then you turn them into crafted items.
worthy crag
Any merits for using tea tho? mastery?
torn stump
with tea instead of strategram
I think not good.
unkempt vine
I haven't been using gloomblade but I'll be testing that tonight. I have the reset combo points talent at the bottom instead of the new ability you picked on the right as well.
I don't like tea, I went stratagem
worthy crag
gloomblade has lost so many amplifiers in 10.2 im not sure its worth a point anymore
torn stump
I think tea just good at assa
hidden moth
im just running out of energy every time
worthy crag
only purpose for it is going thru bop considering how many pallies exist but it sucks for dmg
Do you have dance and symbols bound to the same key?
hidden moth
this build is from the palumor video i just wanted to posted here for more opinions on this build
nope
separate
jolly sierra
I dont think it can be dispelled that would be wild
worthy crag
Try using shadowcraft, its way better than 1 point in finality imo
unkempt vine
You are also missing the melee range increase by 3 talent. That's a pretty amazing talent imo
tribal badger
So its a physical debuff?
Or bleed
Either way bop removes
But if it'd a bleed then dwarf evoker and surv also
jolly sierra
So its a physical debuff?
seems like a regular debuff
doesnt counts as bleed either
halcyon timber
gloomblade has lost so many amplifiers in 10.2 im not sure its worth a point any...
Pv was the big change. Now you have a deterministic version instead of striking and that is why it feels weird. I still prefer lingering as i have always dislised noodle stabs
It can do good damage just requires other stuff now
worthy crag
Its still good for like enabling PV setups thru bop etc but for me its either gloomblade vs premeditation
and i rather not hard press every snd
halcyon timber
I do both I aint trading those ole friends
worthy crag
or give up veiltouched for gloomblade which i might consider
I spent 2 points to get swift death
worthy crag
with ppl still using season 2 2set its not as apparent but 25 sec vs 30 sec CD for sod makes a huge diff
jolly sierra
think i can bring an~~ oompa loompa~~ dwarf and see if it can be dispelled
halcyon timber
XD
Im getting rid of the set
Ptr testimg was solid w/o it
Agility gains were enough and stamina
jolly sierra
i dropped my tier too
if no set was viable even in s2
then getting more ilvl in exchange will be too
gritty heart
gritty heart
this is my build now i do like 200k burst with it
idk if thistle tea is better to switch in
worthy crag
The biggest divergence for sub tree is gonna be whether people will commit one dead talent to reach swift death
other than that the flex points would be premed, finality, shadowcraft
and deadly precision on general side
torn stump
what about this?
jolly sierra
that is my contribution for today, ty for reading
unkempt vine
The biggest divergence for sub tree is gonna be whether people will commit one d...
There's no way swift death is worth two points from this tree.
maiden gull
outlaw is nuts in shuffle lol
torn stump
outlaw is nuts in shuffle lol
how nuts?
gritty heart
going for swift death is prob wrong
worthy crag
Ive been advocating it since before the patch and some have taken it, though they were nonbelievers at first
Such as Nahj
Avidance has been playing swift death even during s2
unkempt vine
Swift death itself is fine (great in fact), but it's buried behind Shroud of concealment talent now
worthy crag
I know, thats why i said itll be subject to a lot of personal preference/divergence
I still think its worth it, others might not
Its just waiting that extra 5 seconds before a go means your team is getting pummeled 5 seconds longer for every setup cuz sub does nothing outside SoD windows
And that adds up to 10, 15, 20 seconds
torn stump
Realz's trick, like HH & Swift death.
gritty heart
thief bargain do same for time and i dont care for that 10% its even not that much in real
torn stump
I suggest Swift death swap with Shroud of concealment, and SD change to "when you use cp skill, -0.5sec CD."
worthy crag
ive taken off imp shadow tech and the 6% crit chance on symbols to afford swift death
torn stump
30sec cant use 10 cp skill, so it is ok.
worthy crag
With 2 rotten crits and CB a 2 pointer for 6% crit isnt as important imo
Also i dont get why ppl take the other node over vanish shield? The one right before sec tech
The vanish shield is op
Its duration is also somehow unnerfed
halcyon timber
Its an investment, cant have everything
unkempt vine
Fade is better in general at high level play, like cheat death vs elusive.
worthy crag
eh
unkempt vine
I run cloaked shadows myself, but that's what the insane real glads tell me.
worthy crag
Maybe im thinking in rss terms
but its good that the tree allows for a lot of personal difs
jolly sierra
spotted the furry in outdoor
worthy crag
ill be the only rog running sepsis on sub, np
jolly sierra
Wtf is that.
maybe cuz worgens can't be dhs lol
wary spire
btw as assa im using this
Also I see you're also er nonenjoyer.
jolly sierra
Also I see you're also er nonenjoyer.
wat
wary spire
maybe cuz worgens can't be dhs lol
Excuses excuses.
jolly sierra
Yesterday I got bullied into taking ER. <:pepehands:757566347558387803>
O O F
yeah, the crit shit is good af with kingsbane
imagine a 20% crit eff bonus if it procs
jolly sierra
just cooked this
jolly sierra
I'm free from er at last!
yeah, ppl disliked it a lot
wary spire
Is that a pet rock?
jolly sierra
its a rock slave
wary spire
Kinky.
jolly sierra
it keeps the ethernet cable steady for me
unkempt vine
👀I thought I was the only rock slave owner!
jolly sierra
nice so its a thing in rogues
unkempt vine
Keeps the cables from bending onto my keyboard 😅
unkempt vine
Gotta work on that PvP level, 473 or something is cap this week
unkempt vine
The bg brawl scales everyone to 471.
wintry dew
since it is impossible to upgrade Wpvp gear and Honor gear is S2 yet
i find it rather impossible
to climb even more
unkempt vine
Wpvp gear starts at 473.
wintry dew
yes
unkempt vine
But I guess no trinkets, rings.. etc.
wintry dew
how do i get rings neck trinkets 473
jolly sierra
Keeps the cables from bending onto my keyboard 😅
oh i see
jolly sierra
u are good for now
wintry dew
i really cant go higher
jolly sierra
there are no way yet
wintry dew
exactly
unkempt vine
I sold the verdant ring recipie for 550k gold 😂
jolly sierra
only combatant shit does drop
jolly sierra
I sold the verdant ring recipie for 550k gold 😂
LOOOL
unkempt vine
Got it from BG win box.
jolly sierra
just combatant ones
unkempt vine
Ya. No real need for them, just grind the honor this week and be decked out Tuesday
waxen meteor
blue print yesterday sold for 44k
jolly sierra
nice
hidden moth
Lol i sold boots and wrist for like 100k each
waxen meteor
SP Dmg seems to be quite good now too
muted abyss
do you need bloody tokens to upgrade bloody gear or just the trophy?
spring bough
Trophy to upgrade token gear
I think weps are 10 a pop everything else is less than that
muted abyss
okay, and we dont' earn those until next week
spring bough
Yup
Prob should upgrade a gear piece you can turn into tier first to start getting set bonuses
lucid citrus
whats the trophy look like?
spring bough
It’s the reward from the spark quest can get them on Tuesday and it goes into your currency tab
halcyon timber
Assassins, any insight today ? You guys holding up ok?
quick temple
what kind of FCT is this
halcyon timber
SCT addon it looks like
twin burrow
does anyone somehow know the proc chance of sub's tierset this season
im assuimg 20-30% but yeah
jolly sierra
im getting a new desktop next week, maybe can go well
but the dmg is still huge
even w my delays
halcyon timber
im assuimg 20-30% but yeah
30% i think is what it is at, it procs a fair amount.
Not completely sure if it has an ICD. But you could hit 1 out of 5 finishers and sometimes get a few lucky hits back to back. The rupture part is good and the black powder hit . Definitely a good set.
jolly bear
what kind of FCT is this
Miks Scrolling Combat Text
quick temple
ty papa
spring bough
im getting a new desktop next week, maybe can go well
Bout to wipe and reset my computer for this new season can’t have this lag bullshit
jolly sierra
Bout to wipe and reset my computer for this new season can’t have this lag bulls...
oof
sharp stone
hook me up with a good sub talent tree
gilded flame
I saw a few multi glads and r1s ganking the WQ earlier this morning too
gilded flame
shade is one of my favorite tubers though, I love those vids
chrome schooner
wintry dew
yep eventually overcomed, poor monk next to you blew up
Was also doing quests earlier, had to run away from Bigmecx
jolly bear
damn alright
spring bough
Miks Scrolling Combat Text
Miks the best SCT addon out there
waxen meteor
Our tier set this season doesn't seem to have a lot vers
jolly bear
Miks the best SCT addon out there
super customizable
sharp stone
is it worth taking haste items at 473 vs keeping mastery 450 conq gear?
well i bought the bloody token weapons
jolly bear
haste-vers dagger for some reason
we're the only ones that use it and rogues dont use haste
worthy crag
whats the stat on the upgraded token dagger?
wintry dew
PvP developers : so only rogues use agi daggers right?
Other PvP developers : yes, thats right.
PvP developers : They absolutely hate haste right? like, we know because we designed most of the stuff.
Other PvP developers : yes.
PvP developers : aight make daggers have haste for no reason and call it a day.
vocal surge
wintry dew
i jest i jest, it doesnt matter my guys xD
vocal surge
your not wrong thou
hidden mirage
looks like our hunter Bertimus will not stop crying about Sudden Demise before the season even starts, he literally attacks every forum post about rogue, lol 😄
wintry dew
does it hit so bad in pvp?
vocal surge
its not that strong in pvp
vocal surge
You need to set up bleeds to make it proc when people hit low health
waxen meteor
Sudden Demise this is garbage
hidden mirage
but he's crying about getting killed by bleeds at 10% in turtle, its a skill issue imho... 😄
waxen meteor
Sudden Demise is basically bleed +10%
vocal surge
XD
waxen meteor
the other effect doesn't exist in pvp
sharp sierra
Ouufff sub gutted in new patch notes. Rip
sharp stone
Ouufff sub gutted in new patch notes. Rip
link
waxen meteor
Hunter and Rogue hates each other in arena haha
light estuary
havent played wow retail in a few months, have the rogue specs been reworked?
waxen meteor
yeah but not super huge
light estuary
any significant changes i should know about? havent been following what changed
waxen meteor
Well quite a bit
vocal surge
^
spring bough
any significant changes i should know about? havent been following what changed
Outlaw smoking crack now is the biggest change
hidden moth
why u have so much mastery damn? i have like 46% mastery 32% vers
and the rest crit
dont u need vers for pvp?
jolly bear
why u have so much mastery damn? i have like 46% mastery 32% vers
oh idk I got mastery-vers on everything
and thats low I had like 99% in pvp combat with crafted+conq gear
gilded flame
the difference between 22 verse and 32 verse is like 5% DR which is nice but not required to live
sub needs to have all the damage it can in those burst windows to kill so its worth giving up a bit of DR for a lot more finisher damage
worthy crag
Im planning to enchant and gem vers for sub over mast
ivory radish
is the weapon enchant 2100 or 2400 these days
spring bough
Anyone have a link to the new enchant animation
waxen meteor
is the weapon enchant 2100 or 2400 these days
Enchant 2100, weapon itself 2400
gilded flame
isn't that last seasons?
ivory radish
theres only 1 per expansion
gilded flame
ohhhh
ivory radish
since always
sharp stone
primal storm
gilded flame
wait yeah that wouldn't have made sense since S2 enchant is absolutely themed for the season
sharp stone
ivory radish
when did they start doing multiple?
I stopped playing in Shadowlands but up to that point it was 1 per expansion
S2 is wayyyyyyy better than the s1 one lmao
waxen meteor
S2 is quite good
S1 is not bad as well
S2 is good on any weapon
S1 is more on some red two hands
tawny kestrel
is it worth taking haste items at 473 vs keeping mastery 450 conq gear?
can i ask you why you've got a slow off hand
sharp stone
shadowlands hand multiple illusions aswell no?
sharp stone
I stopped playing in Shadowlands but up to that point it was 1 per expansion
sinful flame unchained fury cosmic flow or w.e
ivory radish
oh maybe they started it in SL then
jolly bear
can i ask you why you've got a slow off hand
cuz its the meta
tawny kestrel
and that was perfectly reasonable before the shadow technique rework
but it seems stupid to do it now
jolly bear
slice and dice still works but until there's a mastery/vers dagger this is fine
tawny kestrel
yeah but you are losing out on shadow technique procs
jolly bear
not sacrificing god stats and dmg for dagger
sharp stone
ye dunno im using doubler dagger aswell
tawny kestrel
double dagger is just best now after the rework
jolly bear
maybe but I will wait and see, might buy it anyway just to see how it feels
surreal barn
That haste vers dagger is the best yer gonna get right now
I’m just glad they gave us a dagger at all
🤦♂️
jolly bear
they gave us the worst dagger they possibly could
waxen meteor
I remember long ago, blizzard added something for this kinda trigger rate between fast and slow weapon?
jolly sierra
thought shadow techniques proc rate was fixed with speed
tawny kestrel
theres a reason slow off hand is garbage for sub in pve
jolly sierra
that one? beh
waxen meteor
OK good to know!
tribal badger
thought shadow techniques proc rate was fixed with speed
no, sub just didnt care before
because shadow technique was bad
but they made it good
u certainly want a fast weapon now
it just gives u tons of free efficient cp for finishers
jolly sierra
so, do u recommend using the crafted versa mastery dagger or the raid one now?
tribal badger
probably eventually yea crafting a vers mastery one
pretty low on prio list tho honestly
100 secondaries wrong on an oh barely matters
just the speed
jolly bear
I have 2 vers mastery daggers crafted but they are useless in pvp
jolly sierra
im thinking in crafting a versa mastery wyrm dagger for assa meanwhile
jolly bear
437 daggers
tribal badger
i mean oh ilvl is almost worthless
pretty low impact in general
but id probably pick ilvl over mastery vs haste
once the gap gets big enough
jolly sierra
im sure can pick one decent enough with weekly cap
gilded flame
never forget the difference between bad and good secondaries is much less than you think
even for sub where haste vs mastery is likely the biggest gap in the game
worthy crag
isnt conq dagger crit vers
jolly sierra
rather prefer having mastery than crit if i have the option in off hand tbh
in MH sure, cuz damage formula
gilded flame
everyone prefers it but thinking its worth taking a slow OH or even worse, less ilvl because you like mast more, nah man
tribal badger
they made shadowy tech pretty good, especially during shadowblades
gilded flame
when both choices are equal sure its fucking obvious, but thinking having haste at all is like a dps loss is ???
waxen meteor
I am done with assassination practice today
tribal badger
well haste does basically zero for sub
waxen meteor
Will swap back to sub from tmr
gilded flame
it does more than zero
tribal badger
shadowy tech was really bad
jolly sierra
Will swap back to sub from tmr
didn't u liked it?
gilded flame
its less than mast, a lot less, but its not zero
i mean shadow tech being valid now alone literally is a buff to haste
tribal badger
practically zero, its white swings during ur burst window (which is all sub cares about)
sure, its new shadowy tech also buffs haste a bit from zero
still bad stat tho
waxen meteor
didn't u liked it?
No I do like it
gilded flame
never sad it wasn't
waxen meteor
A lot
jolly sierra
No I do like it
ah oof
tribal badger
also irrelevant since u need a dagger for shadowy tech
jolly bear
having haste and not having a secondary stat is basically the same thing
tribal badger
so u take the haste
jolly sierra
i read like shit
waxen meteor
ah oof
I mean I do like new sin a lot, it's just not that much difference, i don't need to practice more
gilded flame
but its not a dps loss to have it, and taking haste with the right weapon vs taking the wrong one just to have a 0.75% more mast is not worth
tribal badger
not anymore sure
pretty much everyone was slow oh just for the mastery stat stick last season
gilded flame
all I am saying is people get SUPER bent out of shape about the RIGHT secondary and don't realize how little a difference that is
jolly sierra
press (X) for doubt
waxen meteor
all I am saying is people get SUPER bent out of shape about the RIGHT secondary ...
For a lot of specs yeah
For sub in s2, i think it's yes and no
gilded flame
i would think you would be hard pressed to point out any time you didn't kill someone because you had a haste OH
like seriously
tribal badger
there was zero reason to have a haste oh tho
haste gave u almost zero damage in ur kill windows and shadowy tech was useless
gilded flame
i understand that but it wasn't the point here anyway
waxen meteor
wait, what changed for demo lock>
tribal badger
sure it wont be pvp ilvl
gilded flame
not yet you cant
gilded gulch
i meant s2
tribal badger
it wouldnt be pvp ilvl
itd be 3 lower
which is w/e
but people preferred the ilvl and the weapon speed didnt matter
so they just bought a mastery oh
waxen meteor
i would think you would be hard pressed to point out any time you didn't kill so...
the problem of haste in s2 or prior is, the increment in attack speed (and do not decrease global for sub) and the little bit energy regen is close to 0 value
especially when we are talking about a small amount of 5%
gilded flame
100 mastery is close to 0 value
tribal badger
yes
nobody is saying to use a slow weap now
in fact we r all saying not to use a slow one anymore
jolly bear
ik having a dagger is probably better now, but it just feels so wrong to take a haste weapon or haste in general knowing how useless it is
tribal badger
just explaining y they did last season
gilded gulch
Honestly I was convinced for most of the playerbase
they just did it because they followed a player who's beyond cooked on gearing takes
just good at the game
jolly sierra
ik having a dagger is probably better now, but it just feels so wrong to take a ...
lets see
cap a chest next week or anytime
get 3 wyrm crests from vendor
and upgrade it to a decent ilvl
profit
jolly bear
I have crafted daggers but I would need 2 sparks and the new enchanted crests from M+ to amke them pvp viable
jolly sierra
u need the scaling
tribal badger
wheres he getting his second dagger
jolly sierra
from pvp
tribal badger
on mh yea
jolly sierra
in MH
waxen meteor
second dagger doesn't matter that much
tribal badger
ud just buy the haste one
tawny kestrel
could just buy honor dagger
waxen meteor
yeah
tawny kestrel
usually crit vers like conq one
jolly bear
im just saying i got 2 but I'd only focus on one for rn
jolly sierra
but all gear from s3 seems like that
waxen meteor
I got a 441 dagger from wrold quest
potentially it could be ugpraded
but hell i am not doing that
sold a 43x dagger in AH for 4000 gold
jolly sierra
no fkn way
waxen meteor
not sure who is even buying that
gilded gulch
lazy people
jolly sierra
rather prefer to get the conq dagger in week 1
waxen meteor
Just did a skirmish with a demo lock, dude has a pack of things with him
jolly sierra
oh no
proven kayak
rather prefer to get the conq dagger in week 1
isnt it better get 2p first week ?
jolly sierra
isnt' crafted
waxen meteor
Quick question, does ORC racial boosts demo lock dmg?
since they are some kinds of pet
jolly sierra
isnt it better get 2p first week ?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
worthy crag
Quick question, does ORC racial boosts demo lock dmg?
yes
jolly sierra
im not sure, in all season i always priorized the wep, cuz the tier was a little RNG
jolly sierra
also u can do a malicia upgraded item
if u wanna fill the tier fast
nvm the green quality just confused me
seems like aspirant items arent blue anymore
waxen meteor
I am killing everyone without even knowing what i am pressing for affl lock now
jolly sierra
happened me w assa yesterday
waxen meteor
12345 copy paste 12345
worthy crag
also some direct casting skills with names like summon xx
that idk
waxen meteor
pff i was fish interuption with my lock just now, then i realized i didn't have the crafted gear
ivory radish
is there a conquest cap atm
jolly bear
YES
ivory radish
what is it
jolly bear
its 0
ivory radish
well thats not helpful
waxen meteor
I think you can have some conquest now but it should be cleared next Tuesday
jolly bear
im literally telling you the truth lol
ivory radish
i just came back to the game and hit 70 is there anything i can be doing towards getting gear next week?
waxen meteor
It would totally be broken if whatever conquest you have now be carried over next week
waxen meteor
i just came back to the game and hit 70 is there anything i can be doing towards...
Farm blood coin, max honor, nothing else
jolly bear
Well this is absolutely terrible
bruh...
jolly sierra
Well this is absolutely terrible
yeah
restive hemlock
Welp that's rough
ivory radish
Farm blood coin, max honor, nothing else
where do i get blood coins from
jolly bear
so then what was the point of the regular version lol
waxen meteor
where do i get blood coins from
PvP world Request, killing someone in world map
jolly bear
so getting the 473 wm gear was pointless
restive hemlock
Yea that was a dump change
tawny kestrel
so getting the 473 wm gear was pointless
it always was
wise breach
Well no, before you would upgrade the blue gear and keep the enchants and not have to spend twice the bloody tokens
Now it's literally only useful for this week
jolly bear
so how do dark brew and replicating shadows work together exactly? rep says it does 20% extra as shadow and with DB its already shadow and its increased by 10% so what is RS actually doing to it
restive hemlock
And you need to use Flightstones to upgrade gear instead of honor... gross
jolly bear
Well this is absolutely terrible
no shot, I think its gonna be if you have the base version itll only cost trophies but if you have nothing itll cost trophies + the original bloody token cost
cuz if its like you said, that would be extremely stupid
but it is blizzard
winter seal
Is there any builds out yet?
waxen meteor
Sub has many variances
Sin seems to getting to a close build
Outlaw I didn't follow
vocal surge
Outlaw has a lot of variances from a template build for pvp
spring bough
damn im checking out someone who got lucky and they got an upgraded wpvp wep already lol
then i dueled that DH and did 125k dps to him and deleted him LOL
vocal surge
lmao
spring bough
bro is in full verdant gear even rings n trinkets lol
vocal surge
and your gear?
spring bough
6/8 verdant w a new wep. not spending more of my bloody tokens since ima need them now lol
spring bough
nah the bloody token ones honor gear isnt out till tuesday
vocal surge
ah
winter seal
Any links for builds or nah?
spring bough
just find a bloody token farm in emerald and u can get over 1k in an hour or less
vocal surge
know where they are generally?
jolly bear
idek what the point of getting the wm gear is now lol
spring bough
there is a pvp rez grave yard in emerald and people just mosh pitting it there
waxen meteor
Yeah I am right, rogues are either super good or super bad lol
What can i do with such teammate in skirmish
spring bough
prob didnt talent a non lethal so can only do 3 LOL
waxen meteor
good use of dtb
spring bough
currently waiting for my rogue to come out of the workshop and be a night elf now lol
vocal surge
when racials removed from pvp
spring bough
wouldnt that be something lol
vocal surge
(we all know everyone is gonna be nelf or blood elves)
spring bough
i wish arcane torrent still took bop off lol
waxen meteor
I am just trying DH new talent
spring bough
cause id prob stay belf if it still did that lol
waxen meteor
Blood Elf Buff when
it just needs to be back to WLK version
no new coding required
jolly bear
oh man I pissed off the warrior discord lol
marble oasis
not exactly hard
spring bough
do wars even have convos about their class or do they just smash
jolly bear
I told them to stop being condescending when people ask questions and they are blowing me up rn
wintry dew
oh man I pissed off the warrior discord lol
jolly bear
the fact that I'm not responding is probably making them more mad
spring bough
sounds like its a bunch of Neanderthals grunting in their disc lol
waxen meteor
I spoke once on warrior pvp discord asking if there’s any general pvp guidance for newbies
Only once but people basically went no
jolly bear
the thing is I'm not, they're just being dicks lmao
I dont think I was being unreasonable
spring bough
christ lol what did you even ask them
spring bough
damn they went off lol
jolly bear
I asked about the wm gear
yeah so I guess I'm being a baby bc I didnt like being talked to like I'm an idiot
surreal barn
do wars even have convos about their class or do they just smash
I’m pretty sure they have to post their bench PR so they don’t get banned
jolly bear
we need more MM hate in here
I seen a post on reddit that said rogues need to be nerfed and someone commented something along the lines of rogues: but MM needs to be nerfed we dont need to be nerfed we arent even op !!!🥴
MM is a blatant problem xd
exotic dove
Healer I do 2s with a ton we average 2200-2400 each season keeps telling me as Assa I am unhealable vs BM Hunters warriors and DH and says it got much better with me as Sub
vocal surge
yee, thats what I dislike about the War discord
fast sleet
how's sub this patch boys
been playing classic a ton and had taken a break from retail
sharp pumice
yee, thats what I dislike about the War discord
it's a douchey hellhole (they banned me)
vocal surge
they talk down on others as one of the easiest classes to play
fast sleet
zug zug
sharp pumice
lot of projection there
vocal surge
yee
But ye
I remember seeing open world pvp warriors swapping to Prot to try and win fights whenever they lose as Fury or Arms
light estuary
honor pts resetting or no?
jolly bear
no
jolly bear
lot of projection there
they go crazy in there for no reason lol
halcyon timber
so how do dark brew and replicating shadows work together exactly? rep says it d...
.30 x rupture tick is how it is calculated as extra damage for rs its similar to how serrated blades was back in the day for us
jolly bear
oh so it’s additive nice
halcyon timber
Yes sir
halcyon timber
how's sub this patch boys
Its similar to cata in a lot of ways if that makes sense (so its good)
jolly bear
I keep hearing it is going to be nerfed
exotic dove
How have your guys Assa experience been in 2s or any rated arena bracket/Solo Shuffle. My stonks in it are down and I actually want to play Sub or Outlaw over it seems like the damage doesn't make up for how extremely squishy it is
not sure what I am doing wrong
Maybe gearing up will fix it next week with honor gear but it seems bad
sharp pumice
they go crazy in there for no reason lol
yeah or like bringing up political topics then banning someone for replying to it
tribal badger
i think
right now damage is very high across the board compared to hp pools
and hp pools r going to inflate way more then damage when we start getting conq gear
sin is a very "slow" burst spec
it has strong cd pressure, but those cds dont all land when u press them
sharp pumice
I hope you're right
tribal badger
so compared to a lot of specs rn i could see it suffering
like yea kingsbane deathmark will murder someone halfway thru their duration with incredible damage
law and sub can do that in the opener tho
and most classes rn
damage is very very high
halcyon timber
Wtf is this shite.
Balanced bro
tribal badger
just my current feeling
halcyon timber
Damage needs to be high, this whole teacher teacher bs needs to end
No more stun bot bs for rogues while others afk tearing up people like training dummies
jolly bear
No more stun bot bs for rogues while others afk tearing up people like training ...
that’s what every other class wants us to be lol
halcyon timber
Same time, stuff does even out on ptr health pools
Most classes have over 1 million except for rogues
Druids shifting into bear have very high damn life
halcyon timber
that’s what every other class wants us to be lol
F other classes seriously
They can get bent
Mm / rets s warr / shaman tab target the frick out of people with full verdant gear
jolly bear
I know dude
halcyon timber
We are literally in greens atm, no reason to nerf anyone
jolly bear
tell that to reddit lol
halcyon timber
That’s reddit
jolly bear
they’re CRYING for rogue nerfs
light estuary
is there any gear we can get right now better than ilvl 450?
halcyon timber
is there any gear we can get right now better than ilvl 450?
Just world pvp gear
Till reset
light estuary
what ilvl is world pvp gear? should i be doing a weekly this week?
halcyon timber
471 i think
vocal surge
I just saw an outlaw rogue cry
halcyon timber
Lord
vocal surge
on reddit saying they feel weaker
vocal surge
xD
cosmic seal
on reddit saying they feel weaker
Send thread link
halcyon timber
Absolutely trash post
If they treated other classes like they did us, they would change their tune
Can only do damage in a fear window
vocal surge
halcyon timber
Only during maim are you effective
vocal surge
brainlet moment
halcyon timber
wintry dew
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/NqBrnybmN9
Guy got destroyed in the comments
halcyon timber
Good
vocal surge
Aye
halcyon timber
On reset
spring bough
People bought s3 gear with s2 conquest already lol
wary spire
Why the hell they haven't just dropped conquest to 0, jesus.
spring bough
I spent all my conquest RIP
light estuary
is this week 0 or week 1?
halcyon timber
Awesome, blizz is converting it to greys
Cheesers getting fixed
Week 0 my man
We are in off season till reset on tues
waxen meteor
The catch up thing is …
halcyon timber
Soab
vocal surge
its gonna drastically speed up gearing no?
waxen meteor
Like I might choose not to do that many world quests just delay 1 week and pay honor that’s is always maxed
halcyon timber
/shrug
light estuary
We are in off season till reset on tues
so no need to do any weekly quests for tokens this week?