the stored points
#pvp
jolly bear
halcyon timber
Just thought too hard
jolly bear
okay but now it makes perfect sense it’s like a different version of ER
halcyon timber
Old ST pts were random and often not fulfilling . This allows you flexibility to do with what you need and aids in downtime as well as impactful moments
Kinda but not really but i see what you mean
jolly bear
yeah it did suck if you didn’t have SD you basically just run around and cc people because you can’t do meaningful dmg lol
halcyon timber
ER is 4 “random” points to use that you need to land on to gain 7 pt finisher
jolly bear
which was ruined if you got a ST proc
jolly bear
or crit with the one above thistle tea I think
think it got moved to sin only though right
jolly bear
ST is use stored points you planned for to “refund”
yeah now that I know how it works it does sound smooth
halcyon timber
Outlaw has it similar with HO giving multi ambushes and it felt very cery finthy on ptr
Tier set made having 4-5 buffs up fairlt often but requires planning a little
It felt like all 3 rogues are really close on ptr. Wouldn’t say anyone was “way better” . We all do good damage after the tuning they did.
worthy crag
going to hold my breath until server goes up
jolly bear
It felt like all 3 rogues are really close on ptr. Wouldn’t say anyone was “way ...
I like all 3 specs so I’m glad to hear that. but I’ve always preferred Sub
but now I have 2 rogues so I can experience all 3 properly without hindering myself
gritty heart
i hit 1800 now but no set unlocked 😐
tribal badger
thats odd
gritty heart
unlocking sets are not possible in off sesson?
muted abyss
yup
stoic spruce
15 mins
tribal badger
well nobody is in the off season yet tho
EU should still be in s2
and NA servers arent up yet
gritty heart
my rated screen is grey
tribal badger
unless the NA season ending also ended the season for EU despite them still being in s2?
in which case thats rough
must have been the case
since titles and such are global right
muted abyss
servers up
waxen meteor
Already 20:00 here 
stoic spruce
The time for testing is now
gritty heart
servers are off now
vocal surge
ghostly strike is off the GCD ye?
jolly bear
wtf where is the new honor gear
jolly bear
you'd think it'd be FASTER SINCE ITS MY ASS
sharp pumice
NA servers up yet?
jolly bear
yes
waxen meteor
wtf where is the new honor gear
Thought it’s mentioned multiple times there is not going to be in this week
jolly bear
i thought that was the conq gear
sharp sierra
Lol this is stupid. No honor gear for a week
jolly bear
but the bloody token gear it out
halcyon timber
yeah only new warmode gear for bloody tokens are available atm
muted abyss
Lol this is stupid. No honor gear for a week
literally the same every new season for the past like 4 expansions lol
jolly bear
well this was my first season actually being here for patch day ready to be competative
so I genuinely didnt know
spring bough
loving me some outlaw in random BGs right now just deleting everyone lol
sharp sierra
Did the rotation completely change
jolly bear
we able to get a spark this week?
halcyon timber
not sure, I think it is with the season start though
sharp pumice
Well I have 15k honor stacked on all my toons
halcyon timber
good thing is catalyst starts
sharp pumice
So guess I'll go fuck myself
halcyon timber
right off the bat
sharp sierra
Yea. So dumb. I leveled 2 alts and capped honor to buy honor sets to pvp and now i cant for an entire week. If i had known id have bought s2 at least so i can participate lol
halcyon timber
hopefully they don't take this nonsense bg testing as truth when we are technically in blue gear now as it is old gear.
"hur hur just start nerfing just because" . No one has gear from next season and everything is tuned around having that gear obviously.
PSA don't forget to update your drivers, logged into valdrakken and was wrecked.
worthy crag
why the vendor still sells obsidian honor gear
spring bough
bloody gear is live right now so can farm sparks and tokens but honor isnt till tuesday
can farm honor for it ahead of time tho
halcyon timber
Yep that’s the plan for sure
waxen meteor
Can do some world pvp quest this week
That’s it
Then just get used to new talent
Could be boring week for specs that didn’t get mic update
halcyon timber
Bunch of classes and specs had updates
spring bough
outlaw is a great time right now its just deleting lol
halcyon timber
To be fair everyone is under geared atm
Designed for next season max gear blah blah
Some dingus will complain and influence the nerf stick. Its our job to make sure they get bent and understand this isn’t full gear where things are evened out.
Its casters in full gear that destroy people, it aint us
spring bough
so far ive hit a 120k BTE with a 50k dispatch on one of my gos lol
halcyon timber
Arms slamming people for 250k mortal strikes on ptr and such
That’s solid, definitely need to monitor the jackasses on the forums to not spread rogue propaganda
stoic spruce
Dreadblades would be really nice right now
halcyon timber
Prob didn’t math out to work as well to fit other things but agreed
waxen meteor
Need to delete seveal builds now
halcyon timber
Crackshot and the other toys should make up the difference
HO multi striking should be a big difference too
waxen meteor
I know another big thing this week!
spring bough
im rocking killing spree too its real fun
waxen meteor
wait for addons' update!
halcyon timber
Yeah KS was great on ptr
Scales well with haste
Take em by surprise + the haste talent w rtb + swift slasher felt solid
And alacrity trinket
sharp pumice
what sub specs are y'all running
waxen meteor
deadly seems to be a bit higher dps than wound for sin
halcyon timber
Yeah def a trade but wonder if amp psn and wound could help so they don’t “have” to use deadly
worthy crag
spark quest doesnt give blood tokens this week?
halcyon timber
what sub specs are y'all running
Bunch of diff builds that all work well. Lots of good variation. The build tarny linked earlier is solid too.
halcyon timber
spark quest doesnt give blood tokens this week?
yep just noticed that on pick up too. Giving people an even ground I guess. I'm just out smacking people at the world quest areas. The one in Waking shores gives a piece of gear btw.
worthy crag
hm evisc kinda blows without finality
halcyon timber
it does way better once fully geared
we are very gear dependent, since the beginning of time xD
worthy crag
i mean, im just weighing that and sec tech
halcyon timber
yeah it's a playstyle difference for sure
pliant spoke
anyone got a build for assass yet?
halcyon timber
finality + eviscerate does well
they need to just nerf tier sets this time intead of gimping our class kit
Assassin's set is pretty filthy from ptr testing
worthy crag
i used to run cold blood for evis with 4 set in season 2 but considering sec tech is a 1 pointer with no dumb aoe talent on the way and finality is a 2 pointer, doesnt look like there's a justification for using CB evis now
halcyon timber
yeah dunno, I was never a fan of secret technique doing the leg work
worthy crag
looks like perf veins + goremaw and then cold blood sec tech is the play
exotic dove
Well then that was a quick skirm
worthy crag
and prob a verse build
halcyon timber
agreed
@exotic dove yeah it does well but it's not as solid when we have 1 million life and primary stat drops off
exotic dove
agreed but for now its hilarious
halcyon timber
life pools are much much larger on ptr testing
yeah but nerds don't need to screech like howler monkies against it on us xD
warlocks have like 1.3 or 1.4 on ptr gear and healers were pretty high up there as well
exotic dove
Is Sanguine Blades (passive exang) talent still breaking stealth?
halcyon timber
warlocks were hitting people for like 500-600k chaos bolts on ptr too
yes for for now, I know we fought for it on the forums big time
but they made their decision as it is quite strong once you factor in all the things behind it
exotic dove
Going to play a build without SB and see how it does
halcyon timber
shadow blades also breaks stealth / vanish with rupture up as well (on purpose) so have to make a blades cancel macro for it
exotic dove
sorry I meant Sanguine Blades for assa
halcyon timber
yeah it felt fine with / without Sanguine blades on ptr. I definitely liked that assassins can ambush hard again.
exotic dove
To be fair though if I am using Shadowblades as sub I prolly not trying to stealth away
halcyon timber
agreed it's a kill that joker now moment
waxen meteor
My bite is only 200K ish
halcyon timber
yeah hit undergeared people and it does more naturally
halcyon timber
lots of jokers are running around without any versatility and screeching about it
oh pvp values vary with targets and resistances yadda yadda
exotic dove
dummies are weird
waxen meteor
yeah i got it but it's weird low
halcyon timber
I'm not sure how much they factor in on dummy targets as I haven't sat down to do the math
it's around 35% armor reduction and it does have some more magic resistance etc
halcyon timber
right on, hmm /shrug
that checks out with ptr asprimary stats have a linear curve and decreases down the road naturally as an expansion goes on
stoic spruce
Imma say it.
I don't think blizz should tune classes until everyone gets conquest gear in 5ish weeks
halcyon timber
different classes also have different natural resistances as well
they honeslty shouldn't touch anyone till actual gear is fully available
exotic dove
Yeah I agree
halcyon timber
like rogues really don't do "that much" just based off ptr. It seems like it but rets chunk everyone
like we do well yes but in full gear you're still double / triple CC'ing if you have to
it's not like 1 ambush is doing 2/3 of their life or something
rogues still hit people 500000 times as opposed to 1 chaos bolt
Augs were doing around 650k hits sometimes on PTR in full gear and rogues only have 850k life (outlaw was a little over 900k I think fully geared)
ivory radish
anyone got a build for assass yet?
pikaboo was using this earlier. but he said its not as good as outlaw/sub
worthy crag
did they nerf gloomblade
waxen meteor
pikaboo was using this earlier. but he said its not as good as outlaw/sub
This looks dated
DTB seems dead
ivory radish
This looks dated
its from like 10m ago
its what he currently has his talents set to atm
whether its dated or not 🤷♂️
wise breach
I have 3 builds I want to try, but yeah, I'm not sold on DTB anymore
Trying this atm
sharp sierra
whats a good build
halcyon timber
did they nerf gloomblade
it isn't scaling as much and I think they took the 30% off of it secretly in pvp. It still can do damage but has to have some back up from other talents. (still my fave and i'll make it work).
Eviscerate was buffed, strike was buffed, nightstalker was nerfed, DM is nerfed still but Dark Shadow is finally unnerfed. Rotten was nerfed more to make room. Lots of changes (things from PTR)
waxen meteor
its from like 10m ago
yeah but the picks on talent seems dated...
silent charm
is outlaw still gonna be mastery? or are we gonna roll back to crit with the bigger focus on stuff like BtE?
halcyon timber
No idea, Adoringfan would know or Vermillius as I tested a lot with them. not sure if they are on atm though.
topaz delta
anyone have a good sub build link for 10.2?
tribal badger
crits still mega nerfed
halcyon timber
Yeah the 25% crit damage change was pretty rough but /shrug
tribal badger
might still be crit honestly due to the mastery nerf
just cause theres not much else to pick
wise breach
Playing without MfD is so weird
silent charm
crits still mega nerfed
yeah i figured thatd be the reason not to, but mastery also got nerfed and i was under the impression that the mastery build was because we had like 0 burst anyways so the best option was maximizing pressure
halcyon timber
at least GM also has the 5% working now
silent charm
now we have legit burst
wise breach
Why did they remove it 😦
silent charm
so even if crits nerfed i think itd be better
halcyon timber
because we gained other ways to generate cb pts reliably
wise breach
As assa not really
halcyon timber
and pve kids were upset it competed well with 7 pts
silent charm
ima start with crit and see if anything major develops, we shall see
halcyon timber
dungeon "sniping" monsters became a thing
silent charm
at worst crit wont be bad right?
halcyon timber
w mfd giving 15% damage
tender ferry
Shadow dance with Assa definitely the move now tbh
halcyon timber
crit strike felt pretty important on all 3 rogues on ptr honestly
waxen meteor
OK got a lv473 pant
halcyon timber
do a crit or hit for noodle damage non crits /shrug . I just find a sweet spot I like and roll from there.
waxen meteor
guys do the pvp world quest
halcyon timber
yeh I just scopped up the pants too
tender ferry
How long is the quest up for?
silent charm
usually the pvp ones are like 48 hours right?
waxen meteor
11 hours
halcyon timber
Really wish they would just nerf the tiers even more / disable them so we aren't paying for any unecessary attention
tender ferry
I guess it doesn’t really matter with honor gear being purchasable next week
But good callout
halcyon timber
yeah agreed, next week honor gear is up and is more solid than old tier / conquest
wise breach
I mean they could have kept it the way it has been for years, didn't need to add the 15% damage...
waxen meteor
yeah it's a haste pant
halcyon timber
yeah haste is pretty decent now with the right talents though
not a huge amount but some haste does do well on all 3 of us
swift slasher was fast af with all the stuff rolling
warning signs grew on me a lot on ptr
silent charm
i kinda hated stacking mastery lol its a boring stat as outlaw, so im down to go back to crit/verse with some haste
halcyon timber
reprimand was also buffed a large amount too for those who like it. Same time tuning responsibly insteadof false pretenses they have been mislead to do isn't cool.
waxen meteor
my realm has like 1820432840 people on that boss
halcyon timber
yeah I had to get outta there a few times
halcyon timber
lots of gold quests up too . yeah boy.
waxen meteor
I am fine with gold haha
I don't even know where the new map is lol
anyway will figure out tmr
halcyon timber
yeh man, quests and stuff. See ya later man!
stoic spruce
@quaint cedar what do you think of outlaw?
exotic dove
Did some Assa and Kingsbane is a fun button to press for me like it was on ptr. I am also running DTB
halcyon timber
Another thing people don't realize, a lot of damage was moved from core stuff to make blades better so the nonsense people will attempt to pin us with isn't cool. Damage was shifted not necessarily increased a crap ton or something.
yeah KB was pretty dang filthy on PTR testing, could smack people for 250k each tick.
waxen meteor
Kings bane is not showing on resource bar 
shut solstice
Outlaw feels real bad :[
proven field
holy crap assa feels great
I am straight deleting people and sudden demise chef's kiss
exotic dove
Trying this build out right now for Assa and I am liking it the best I think https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DANFVVVRVBUVRiREDFFANVVRUUUZBQVKFECVQ
Probably going to be my go to for 3s and Shuffle
2s I might dabble with Sanguine blades and shadow dance since it is safer to use Sanguine there
exotic dove
I will have to try that one after
Also you like soothing darkness over Iron stomach for self heals
proven field
once they get to 35% they just... disappear
exotic dove
I should try that too
My thought process was Iron stomach might prove more valuable for Assa since we cant vanish as much as sub
proven field
I think both heals kinda suck so far; I haven't spent as much time on the left tree yet
The hardest thing so far hoenstly is not being able to open with MFD kidney
exotic dove
Yeah I basically just use cheap shot than garrote
then kidney for the next stun
helps that Rupture now also applies internal bleeding
waxen meteor
And you picked ambush proc
So on rogue tree I think you would pick ambush improvement over 10% finisher cost
proven field
hrm good catch
sharp pumice
Sudden Demise is kinda fucking hilarious
waxen meteor
Yeah I basically just use cheap shot than garrote
I think another option is to cheap open side dps than garrote both
Then kidney main target
exotic dove
That is a good idea too
proven field
Sudden Demise is kinda fucking hilarious
I love it tbh - pair it with zoldyck and blindside and that 35% to 0% feels instant
it's going to enrage the forums though... the number of ppl who don't release (because they are checking the tape) is huge
waxen meteor
That is a good idea too
But it won’t work when there’s one dps in stealth
exotic dove
Well yeah but its still a good idea when no stealthies on enemy team
Yeah after messing around all my builds for Assa are going to have kingsbane
its mandatory
exotic dove
I am running DTB right now in this build actually that I linked above
halcyon timber
Sdemise was changed to 10% in pvp no?
proven field
wait until you face a DH running full eye beam with Chaotic Disposition
exotic dove
Sdemise was changed to 10% in pvp no?
yeah its 10% in pvp
halcyon timber
Mm tierset is going to tab target tf out of people
proven field
I've never seen such a crazy lack of balance; that 4p is absolutely mental
waxen meteor
Mm 4 tier reads crazy
But ours 2 tier reads solid too…
For sub
It’s just their 4 tier totally under control our is rng
waxen meteor
Dh can chunk tf out of people w eye beam
DH loses the self heal from summoned demon it seems
halcyon timber
DH loses the self heal from summoned demon it seems
Yeah its on spectral sight for on demand now no? They also gained other talents to heal in the change I believe like chaos / fire healing and stuff yadda yadda
waxen meteor
Yeah way less RnG
The summon demo was super crucial
Not only heal a lot but also boosts all dmg for 20%
Like when you need to burst you sort of have to wait for it lol
halcyon timber
Yeah they gained a lot of cool ish in the patch
Pretty much everyone gained a good bit / freed up talent pts etc
New talents
waxen meteor
I need one more point on sub tree!!
waxen meteor
Charge me 100$ for that 1 point like gocha mobile game!
halcyon timber
Lololol
waxen meteor
I think for sin I will give up wound as well, but I am more leaning towards ambush proc > shiv 200% dmg
Sub I feel both good about Brew vs Bite, not sure what I will do in the end
halcyon timber
Yeah def felt strong w the new psn ambush talent
waxen meteor
Ambush does close to 10% of my dmg profile
halcyon timber
Fat ambushes
waxen meteor
But just another thing to monitor
I really miss the 3 poison on enemy name plate damn
That just feels so good
opal fox
hmm for ass, are folks thinking going for sudden demise or down for arterial percision?
halcyon timber
I really miss the 3 poison on enemy name plate damn
Could use a WA to attach it to their name plate if you wanted to
halcyon timber
hmm for ass, are folks thinking going for sudden demise or down for arterial per...
Haven’t heard too much yet but people are really digging demise atm
opal fox
yeah seems like it would be great execute damage. i wonder if arterial is for more steady damage
ivory radish
what are stat prios for ea spec right now
stoic spruce
what are stat prios for ea spec right now
we dont know. Patch dropped a few hours ago.
ivory radish
what was it before patch
stoic spruce
vers mast
opal fox
ok i feel still energy starved with 300 energy lol did we lose some energy regen?
maiden gull
Can someone Check If old Honor Gear scales to 450 ilvl in BGS?
Why tf there is no new Honor Gear
halcyon timber
New honor gear next week. Old gear is whatever is advertised
maiden gull
Wow
ivory radish
some should scale to 450 considering i just hit 70 and questing gear is scaling to 450 for me
halcyon timber
Yeh stinks
ivory radish
not all of it but some of the higher ilvl stuff is
maiden gull
So im stuck with my mastery Gear to Play Outlaw nice
halcyon timber
ok i feel still energy starved with 300 energy lol did we lose some energy regen...
Regen was buffed for assassins last otr build. Felt good with the psn crit regen talent added .(middle row can’t remember the name)
Ptr
stoic spruce
I think outlaw will go vers-crit-haste tbh
gritty heart
Its hard to sit and watch NA ppl playing,🙁
halcyon timber
Dashing scoundrel or whatever
stoic spruce
youre not missing out I promise
maiden gull
Was it like that last Season aswell with honor gear?
stoic spruce
yeah but this time theres a massive ilvl gap so honor gear is much more attractive
opal fox
anyone elses fps just dog shit after this patch?
stoic spruce
been happening since DF prepatch
languid sleet
What's better Sin or Sub right now?
halcyon timber
anyone elses fps just dog shit after this patch?
I updated drivers and it jumped back to 70 fps
Both do well
potent pivot
What's better Sin or Sub right now?
no real way of knowing until season starts, but i really wouldn't be getting hung up on stuff like that especially this week
just play what you enjoy
opal fox
so we can buy the conquest emblems lol can we get 489 early?
halcyon timber
Prob not
opal fox
yeah so we can buy the next season eblems
i also got season 3 rewards from a solo shuffle
worthy crag
shadowcraft makes energy generation so smooth without shadow blades or gbite
jolly sierra
i also got season 3 rewards from a solo shuffle
did u got elite set from a SS?
jolly sierra
that is a bug sometimes
i have got elite tier from S1 and S2 by that accidentally
in s1 was because i played a skirmish
and in s2 was because i played a shuffle i recall
but still got 1k8 anyways later
worthy crag
Thoughts?
thick slate
HOW IS ROGUE FEELING ?
halcyon timber
shadowcraft makes energy generation so smooth without shadow blades or gbite
Yeah its one of my favorite flexible talents
maiden gull
lol, so i cant buy new honor gear but can´t buy last seasons aswell. So if i need crit/haste instead of mastery gear for my new spec im basicly fucked until next week?
stoic spruce
yuppp
gaunt flax
What have people come up with for outlaw?
thick slate
ROGUE GOOD ?
stoic spruce
yes
proper heath
Alright ladies. We are back. and we're black.
Assa feels good. I refuse to play outlaw and sub. Enough of that shit.
stoic spruce
What have people come up with for outlaw?
feels shit without haste
gaunt flax
Yea. heckin stacked with mastery right now. need to refarm everything
maiden gull
yeah...
final kite
Assa feels good. I refuse to play outlaw and sub. Enough of that shit.
I grinded out 1600 with a homie on saturday as outlaw, that shit was rough lol. Bought the elite shoulders w/ my 2k io token, didn't care for the helm.
thorn pond
I'm messing a bit with sub talents and Rotten + Macabre + Goremaw on sub, and Tea, Cold Blood and Danse on the rogue tree is really nice
swift adder
Assa feels good. I refuse to play outlaw and sub. Enough of that shit.
Assa has been playable for the entirety of the xpac though? 
thorn pond
I'm messing a bit with sub talents and Rotten + Macabre + Goremaw on sub, and Te...
This build, if anyone is interested haha
final kite
Dirty ally spotted
thorn pond
Indeed, indeed 🙂
final kite
Every man for himself 2 strong.
thorn pond
Yeah, gotta use it right with the shared cooldown but it's nice ! Sometimes i regret not having Shadow Meld but I don't really like NightElves rogue haha
proper heath
Assa has been playable for the entirety of the xpac though? <:Thonk:679386937697...
playable, but it feels good now. Until they hit us with the nerf bat.
Kingsbane owns...Internal bleeding owns... Sanguine blade owns.
We own
stiff badger
what spec is lookin best for RBG high rating
wintry dew
Ooooh that actually looks cool! Not s2 cool, but cool nontheless
The ilvl scale goes up to what?
marble oasis
Now that would have been more helpful to remember.
wintry dew
XD
marble oasis
But yeh the world sets look amazing the quest leather stuff looks awesome as well.
wintry dew
I'm doing boring questions because I can only play in like 9h from now
grizzled basin
Am i missing something or we cant buy honor gear yet ? waiting for S3 start ?
wintry dew
Yes
marble oasis
Yeh i’m just starting my work shift 😭
mystic shoal
Do we keep our conquest or does it reset next week
halcyon timber
resets next week
i'd say everyone is pretty even in hitting people and ish. Warlocks are definitely tanky though.
mystic shoal
Glad tabard this season is sick
halcyon timber
yeah shit is sick
mystic shoal
Definitely gotta try and push for my first one
also can someone send some Sin and Sub builds they're fucking w atm?
LF a good baseline
scarlet oyster
How’s assassination after the changes? After 10 years of sub I think I want to try it out.
thorn pond
This build, if anyone is interested haha
@mystic shoal That's what I'm rocking right now for Sub. For Rogue tree I switched between Tea and Deeper Stratagem (you loose Acrobatic Strike with Tea but it's still nice) but the base line seems ok to me (gotta wait for some proplayers to give their insight but I think this baseline was from Palumor at the begining of the PTR). On the Sub tree the base stayed the same but I switch between some things : if you don't take Secret Tech, you can pick Weaponmaster or Premeditation ; and remove Danse Macabre for another point in Finality. I did some testing on the pvp target dummy and the spec that did most damages was the one with Tea and Secret Tech ; the one dealing less damage was the one with Tea and without Secret Tech. Also, these days I don't play arena anymore so my builds are more bg / wpvp oriented. I'll still experiment a bit but hope it helps
mystic shoal
<@125407774262689794> That's what I'm rocking right now for Sub. For Rogue tree ...
Ty! I appreciate it!
pliant delta
So patch week all we doing gear wise...is to do spark quest and farm some bloody tokens for the wpvp pieces we plan to upgrade.....and cap honor?
pliant delta
🙂
finite palm
hey guys, any pin for what the go to spec is for pvp in 10.2?
wary spire
Restoration.
thick slate
Now that the season ended, lets all share our proudest achievements for s2
Mine was the fact that i got 3.1 rio in m+ (pve kekw) on rogue which was a class that i play for the first time in pve, and also the fact that i got 2.4cr in 2 hours when i was literally afk 95% of the season
WHAT ABOUT U ?!?!
wary spire
Got to 2100 after the last season where I got to like 1400 and gave up.
thick slate
Got to 2100 after the last season where I got to like 1400 and gave up.
big pog gz on the enchant
gritty heart
bro rogue is so offensiv now with this new talent
thick slate
bro rogue is so offensiv now with this new talent
which new talent and which spec ?
also yeah what spec are people blasting with ?
gritty heart
i just tested global talent in icy vein they call it rotten
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Sub is still king i think
jovial hearth
Anyone running a good outlaw spec yet?
maiden gull
BQQAt5bPuh6pO3KIPROgVVbp4CAkQSSkEISIJCSkkmkEtkIlkAAAAAAgUKhESS0IpEBAAAgkEA
languid ravine
Anyone running a good outlaw spec yet?
It's not out yet, try in 10.3 or next expansion
maiden gull
outlaw is fun
but u need haste gear and it will shine in arena
but sub seems pretty broken
quaint cedar
<@267110688105824257> what do you think of outlaw?
Unfortunately I can't play yet. I'm out of town until this Friday. How has it been for you so far?
pliant delta
They seem they don’t keeep blood coins
aye yes
quaint cedar
Idk about assa and sub but from my testing on the ptr, outlaw damage did noticeably drop off once everyone had full conquest gear
So hopefully blizz isn't too quick with the nerfs before we see what everyone is like with more gear
sturdy dune
Any sub builds anyone recommends? Was playing rotten before
tawny kestrel
but u need haste gear and it will shine in arena
why do u need haste gear?
proven kayak
Sub seems so good
maiden gull
why do u need haste gear?
feels bad without haste
tawny kestrel
how
maiden gull
actually it does not feel to bad
tawny kestrel
actually it does not feel to bad
well why would it feel bad
halcyon timber
No one “has gear” it would be dumb to nerf us. Especially as other classes pop crap even harder on ptr When we had full gear.
proven kayak
Bro every patch rogue is getting nerfed first week is a transition are u new to rogue ?
halcyon timber
Because of poor judgement and cruddy propaganda .
We already were nerfed several times and energy regen took a hit.
wary spire
We need to increase the quality of our own propaganda then.
halcyon timber
They responsibly tuned us on ptr unlike ret paladin
bleak slate
Any good sin builds out?
proven kayak
What items u buy with bloodcoins I think i saw 2 or 3 good pieces
wintry dew
Probably mastery ones if there aren't honor/conq ones
gilded flame
so how is outlaw not gonna be insane in pvp like this? You just get an opener with AR BF and SnD up for like 40 seconds and you can prebuff before so its all ready to go the second you come out of stealth
which means you can cheap shot nonstop for 18 seconds
250% movespeed near perma with sprint going almost all the time
don't even notice find weakness being gone, if anything not needing to worry about it is a huge buff
halcyon timber
Because we treat this like prepatch at every expansion. The skillset and talents are intended for max level gear with much higher life pools.
waxen meteor
They responsibly tuned us on ptr unlike ret paladin
well i am not against us to have a 3 day like ret
Nice, server goes down when i log in
halcyon timber
Far stronger ish based on testing such as eye beam slapping for 340k (dh atm) on its own , chaos bolts from destruction that were doing close to 60% of peoples life on ptr before they received buffs etc .
halcyon timber
Paladin still smoke you in 5s but god forbid a rogues cds harm stuff
waxen meteor
From a objective stand point, such unbalance stuff should always be caught and adjusted before going live
But from a random player stand point, I am happy to have a 3 days chaos period like ret had
halcyon timber
Agreed individual rogue talents were already touched several times before going live
waxen meteor
Yeah Grad school in States are quite expensive
and US parents mostly turn out to be not paying for kids
Both are not common out of States
jolly sierra
at least i studied for free in this country
waxen meteor
You are some kind of a princess you don't count
You have got several butlers/maid in your home (your own island)
that's what i remember
minor cape
You have got several butlers/maid in your home (your own island)
imagine not having a private island
😳
sour charm
Blitz is so fucked actually
It feels extremely wrong to go "uh I guess I just die here" when the cap ticks over since they can't cap for 45 seconds anyway
ruby jungle
back
vapid ledge
This is prolly a very dumb question but I'm coming back to Retail after a ridiculously long time. Is there no honor gear available anywhere currently?
Was gonna at least farm up the previous seasons set between now and tues so I'm not getting blown up in BGs lol.
wintry dew
This is week 0
Your best bet is to honor cap and wait for next reset and buy all the honor gear available
vapid ledge
Your best bet is to honor cap and wait for next reset and buy all the honor gear...
How bad am I gonna die in the boostie gear?
wintry dew
Depends
vapid ledge
It's like 400 something ilevel lol
vapid ledge
I'm down to die in the boostie gear LOL. I just mainly was worried I was dumb and couldn't find the honor gear or if they moved it to another vendor.
wintry dew
Nah your good my man. Just gather 15k honor in bgs (super easy honestly) and wait for next reset.
You can also farm bloody tokens I believe.
vapid ledge
Easy! 15k seems like it'll be quick. I was hesitant to hit the queue button though LOL.
wintry dew
A lot of people will be doing bgs with those boosted characters don't feel bad about it xD
vapid ledge
Played Wrath Classic recently and the boostie sets there are basically unplayable and a death sentence lmao
I was worried these were gonna be equally as terrible. I queued up on Classic and was just one tapping all the boosties and was like "jesus this can't be playable"
vague verge
I thought only the elite set is temporary... but it looks like there is no way of getting the non rated conquest sets from s2 anymore... kinda sad
sour charm
They will introduce them to be buyable with marks of honor next expansion
they did the same with SL sets iirc
vague verge
They will introduce them to be buyable with marks of honor next expansion
oh ok, that's cool! thanks for the information 🙂
wintry dew
They did that with all the pvp sets. Always purchasable the next expansion
Just gather honor and buy full pvp set next week
lofty panther
we really cant buy honor gear until next week?
what is the point of this week again?
lofty panther
What's the sin opener looking like with Kingsbane/sepsis/deathmark?
wary spire
Wait I thought we're not running pepsis?
jolly sierra
F R E E N I T R O
jolly sierra
You are some kind of a princess you don't count
HAHAHAAHAHAH fuck
wary spire
The prophecy.
wary spire
soft dust
They will introduce them to be buyable with marks of honor next expansion
I hope so
wary spire
Yesnt
vocal latch
yoyo, someone did some testing on sub rogue talents ? cuz i think ill drop Shiv and invigorating shadows but not sure if im crazy
wary spire
Yee same.
5 stages of elusiveness:
- it got buffed, it's bis now
- fucking burst in a stun fucking fuck fuck
- okay what if I just spam it aaaand I'm dead
- trashy fucking talent
- cheat death it is
vocal latch
i mean, the 20% dmg reduction against all damage with evasion is big too especially against casters and co
evasion+feint is a reduction of 40% for atleast 6 sec
wary spire
Well it helps that chest was inconsistent as hell and people were able to kill you through it anyway like 1 out of 5 times.
But it was still comfy ye.
worthy crag
is focus shadowstep macro fixed now?
jolly sierra
comfy cuz most time would trigger instead being bypassed
but anyways you would have elusiveness most of time with the double charge
halcyon timber
Prefer elusiveness as it is flexible, too many times dying to silly shit through cheat death over the years.
vocal latch
How many times i told myself, well ez, got cheat death, healer is out of cc chain in 2 sec, gonna sit on the proc
never happening tho dx
halcyon timber
XD yep just die to dumb ish
Hard to say as 30% armor is equivalent to 9% damage redux. Gs and gm provide 20% together so should help smooth it out along w crackshot providing 200% bte and gm for green skins pulling an mib blasting space roaches with the cricket gun. Outlaw is pretty filthy.
The boys said it felt kinda rough vs plate on ptr when they started changing stuff around a few builds ago with max gear.
jolly sierra
im comparing combatant items vs drakebreaker
and seems chest is a safe choice to buy for bloody tokens
halcyon timber
I scooped that up yesterday well
Supply Chests providing 200 tokens still is nice
Dang alliance was all over it yesterday in packs and camping tf out of the dream portal so couldn’t do the story xD
jolly sierra
oof
are s3 crafting recipes dropping already?
fucking s3 gear is now crafted
what a waste
halcyon timber
No idea, saw the vendors were updated last night too . Should have been asleep and was late to class
jolly sierra
damn
umbral geyser
we still stayin sub?? OL feels clunky af in pvp
haughty flume
Kind of does doesn’t it? Felt weird last night.
umbral geyser
like that meme of the uber sweaty kid w the headset on? How are you supposed to track everything and pay attention to the enemy lmao i swear my pinky flew off on the target dummy alone...tfff
halcyon timber
Underhanded crackshot with ace resets and you’re clint Eastwood in dirty harry
halcyon timber
No idea man, I don’t use either of those
Had to update addons a few times since launch
exotic dove
Played more assa and I have to say I still want/like to use DTB.
halcyon timber
Dtb felt solid just with maintaining envenom
Fat effen envenoms with that new psn and the 4pc tierset on ptr was sick
Did full damage regardless of combo points used and doubt it will get changed as they are pretty set on it
restive hemlock
What build we running for sub?
worthy crag
up to you
languid ravine
don't even notice find weakness being gone, if anything not needing to worry abo...
what kind of fuck logic is that I m curious?
gilded flame
it means you don't need to get find weakness on someone to do real damage, you just do that damage
languid ravine
gilded flame
like the damage outlaw does is balanced around not having it anymore, you do full damage always not just after getting find weakness on someone
its not that complicated?
gilded flame
good talk
languid ravine
do you understand 5th grade math?
you know the one with fractions and shit
havent been to school in a while so not sure if they still teach that shit
seems not
stoic spruce
I feel it into plate
sonic magnet
Safe to get rid of the honor set from last season?
gilded flame
do you understand 5th grade math?
I do, thats why I am concerned with how this is confusing
because I have looked at the actual numbers
you are aware they rebalanced all the specs damage right?
its not like hey, we have the exact same damage just... reduced more by armor. Its all different
but I mean, post a meme emoji and lol I guess its fine
languid ravine
yeah sorry you are right, ZERO is actually bigger >> than thirty 🧠
gilded flame
you are completely talking around the valid point I made, so I assume you just dont care
languid ravine
did blizz buff cloth or leather?
or make plate irrelevant?
or did you mean "heavily skewed against cloth" when you typed "Outlaw damage is balanced now"?
gilded flame
copy paste where I said that, because that is not the words I said
but I could understand if you are like, retranslating my words that might explain why this is going over your head
languid ravine
like the damage outlaw does is balanced around not having it anymore, you do ful...
"like the damage outlaw does is balanced around not having it anymore, you do full damage always not just after getting find weakness on someone"
gilded flame
you know what, it doesn't matter though. Its a pretty easy concept to understand my original point. Not worth arguing
yes you reworded what I said into a different meaning
worthy crag
Are you actually trying to say that just because FW is gone, outlaw's damage is nerfed the amount that correlates to having FW on the target
cuz if you spend 10 seconds on the live server or if you did on the PTR you'd know thats not true
gilded flame
you really can't see what you are missing here? this is not a troll?
languid ravine
what am I missing
gilded flame
nope, I am out
languid ravine
does Outlaw deal good damage vs plate or not?
worthy crag
I mean the servers have been up for the last 18 hours for anyone to test
stoic spruce
Safe to get rid of the honor set from last season?
yes
gilded flame
^
gilded flame
our tier was eh anyway
gleaming pawn
Outlaw has never done good damage vs plate. FW helped but did not make outlaw magically do big damage to them
stoic spruce
and now we dont have help
languid ravine
so the damage you did against cloth vs against plate was skewed BEFORE removing Find weakness?
whew good thing they removed find weakness to skew it even harder
(unless cloth and plate get crunched to do similiar damage reduction)
worthy crag
couldnt you make that argument against literally any other spec that doesnt have find weakness
not just outlaw
stoic spruce
We were given find weakness and then it was taken away.it doesnt matter what it was like before
languid ravine
yeah good for them
stoic spruce
couldnt you make that argument against literally any other spec that doesnt have...
literally every other spec besides MM and fury has magic damage
stoic spruce
untrue
worthy crag
night fae stomp I guess
languid ravine
okay lets pretend night fae stomp no longer applies "increased damage taken"
gilded flame
i forgot about that, but thats like auto attack level damage isn't it
worthy crag
lol ur just dragging on an obvious point for 20 minutes because the choice of the word was 'buff'
waxen meteor
Damn it's a nightmare to do elite mission with sub in world map
jolly sierra
the burst?
worthy crag
its like someone is pointing at the moon and ur just looking at the finger
jolly sierra
keefer
gilded flame
he completely rewrote a quote so I just think hes memeing at this point
languid ravine
okay lets pretend Outlaw does the kind of damage Fury Warrior does
but with Rogue utility, three movement spells, immunities..
jolly sierra
is keefer (1m CD)
serenity (1.5m CD, can drop)
xuen (2m)
stoic spruce
no lets not pretend anything because then this devolves into hyporhticals
jolly sierra
fae is just a little buff dmg
languid ravine
do I call it balanced?
gilded flame
we were talking about why monk damage isn't phys mage
jolly sierra
dunno wtf is phys
gilded flame
I was hard pressed to think of any but fae stomp is one
languid ravine
nah Monk damage is skewed against cloth too because its all phys
gilded flame
physical damage not an elemental school. In other words reduced by armor
worthy crag
yes, thats how RPG games work
languid ravine
ah okay so I have been "roleplaying" as a wet noodle
jolly sierra
(wind)walker
languid ravine
now I get it
gilded flame
was thinking monk is more phys than mm and fury. Considering fury has bleeds
gilded flame
and mm still has sting and explosive which are both significant
waxen meteor
don't worry mm delete people regardless of armor
languid ravine
damn the 10.1 Outlaw fantasy of shooting a Stick Swinger with a Ramen Gun was so immersive
gilded flame
what the fuck are you even going on about now
worthy crag
might be a skill issue if 10.1 (or 10.2 for that matter) felt noncompetitive
wary spire
Man
gilded flame
and then someone dispels it
gilded flame
or is kingsbane not dispellable? Didn't see it enough last season
wary spire
It was undispellable because it was unplayable kek
gilded flame
I tried assa once and when I saw all my damage deleted every single game by some removal or immunity or whatnot I couldn't commit to that spec ever again
hidden moth
yo so anyone got a good build for sub?
worthy crag
depends on your playstyle really
gleaming pawn
Unless it was changed on ptr kingsbane is still dispellable. It was so easy to trade for or just remove period, that it was a dead talent before. Not sure how it’s going to shape up this season
worthy crag
is kingsbane poison or bleed?
worthy crag
nice
waxen meteor
probably could sell it for some godl
stoic spruce
cant get enough of that godl
waxen meteor
Let me buy one more talent on sub tree pls
gilded flame
is kingsbane poison or bleed?
poison, so dispellable by some dps
marsh ridge
do you guys farm the token gear? will the honor gear superior to this one?
stoic spruce
honor gear will be better
gilded flame
dont see any point of getting token gear unless you wanna stomp this weak or something
marsh ridge
I see thank you
wary spire
I like new rogue changes kek
thorn pond
Honor gear is better than base Token Gear but upgraded token gear will be better than honor gear (3 iLvl less than conquest gear)
stoic spruce
this question is so funny
waxen meteor
I like new rogue changes kek
lol 3 rogues
now i am at new map
doing quests like a pleb
i just noticed king's bane dot dmg is boosted by deadly poison again
another reason that we have to give up woundn
wary spire
Every arena had 2 rogues at the minimum so far
worthy crag
omGah neRF rOGuEs foRUm PleeaSe
thorn pond
I did a bg today, 6 rogues out of the 15 alliances 😂
surreal barn
Is it still sophic devotion
waxen meteor
no real answer yet
seems each combination can work
brew buffs rupture dmg by a ton, but bite can be a super big hit with vein and rotten
danse can be good if you still use ST
wary spire
I've been rocking this so far as assa. It pumps.
swift adder
Outlaw bros what's your pvp setup
wary spire
The only downside - sometimes when sudden demise triggers on hunters i think they're pretending.
waxen meteor
I've been rocking this so far as assa. It pumps.
I am slightly different than yours
still debating if i need blindside
jolly sierra
I've been rocking this so far as assa. It pumps.
i dropped points in the main tree removing the sprint speed talent and the snare reduction for subterfuge
tbh
wary spire
I got used to playing without the 'fuge.
worthy crag
The snare reduction kind of sucks because it doesnt reduce roots
waxen meteor
yeah i don't use that
wary spire
Well into lethality it goes then.
waxen meteor
it works only for against aug or sth
lusty meteor
Can you guys drop your sub trees as well pls!
radiant glen
am playing the most cooked build
wary spire
Yeah i think this looks nicer. Still not sure if lethality or er is worth
radiant glen
waxen meteor
Yeah i think this looks nicer. Still not sure if lethality or er is worth
why do you pick a talent there for a poison you don't use
surreal barn
Yeah i think this looks nicer. Still not sure if lethality or er is worth
Pick up that feint
The double charge is so clutch
lucid citrus
No Goremaws?
radiant glen
nope
lucid citrus
Whyy?
winged lion
why cant you buy anything from the pvp vendors this week?
wary spire
why do you pick a talent there for a poison you don't use
Numbing?
wary spire
But I use numbing.
radiant glen
Whyy?
because i was racing a friend on patch launch and didnt want to keybind it
very cooked build
wary spire
Pick up that feint
Ama coward.
lusty meteor
Soooo uh
lucid citrus
Lol Okayy if you like not having Goremaws then it’s good
surreal barn
Ama coward.
Are you on NA
lusty meteor
Can I get a bite build xD
jolly sierra
he is in EU w me
wary spire
Yeee boooii
surreal barn
Lame was gonna see your open
jolly sierra
hmmm
radiant glen
Can I get a bite build xD
drop either 1 pt danse or 1pt finality and then take goremaws
also uhh dont run vigor swap that for cold blood
wary spire
Lame was gonna see your open
wary spire
Okay howabout this then.
surreal barn
Unless you still using dtb
wary spire
The only thing is I don't know if er is worth.
waxen meteor
Okay howabout this then.
I think mine is better
why not ER
I don't think the crit matters that much
wary spire
It just feels like i'll get more value over time from rushed than from subterfuge. Without it my opener is cheap-gar-gar as is.
wary spire
Fiiine i'm sold. But still hope lethality is the play, don't care much for er lol
surreal barn
And costs zero energy, I feel like it’s the reason I even have enough to not have to pool
thick slate
anyone has a good sub pvp build?
waxen meteor
nice, evoker did a 100K dps game
halcyon timber
Yeah sobe lizzards definitely hit hard
stoic spruce
Mmmm sobe
worthy crag
I recommend to anyone to afford 1 point into shadowcraft, it actually makes a lot of difference
Also sepsis is pretty good. By default it does around 170~210k and with preforated veins it can easily do 350k. Dispellable, but still a lot of potential value for a 1 global
sepsis + duel stun + regular rotation and just watch them die
fast cargo
Yeah I wanna try sepsis with dance as assa since it works with MA
halcyon timber
Subterfuge was fixed to snapshot NS too
fast cargo
Was running sepsis last season as assa, was so op, no one ever expected it. Could always open with kidney into a sepsis cheap
halcyon timber
Yeah i dig sepsis, its a good flexible talent .
fast cargo
Yeah I think it’ll be better with dance too
halcyon timber
Agreed
fast cargo
Opener can cheap, garrote, shiv, dance/tea, cheap kingsbane envenom. Then next go, kidney,shiv, sepsis, cheap ambush
waxen meteor
Also sepsis is pretty good. By default it does around 170~210k and with preforat...
you go vein with sepsis not bite?
halcyon timber
Filthy roguesies whats it gots in its pocketses!
worthy crag
you go vein with sepsis not bite?
I alternate, since you won't have bite for every go
Perf + sepsis for one setup, perf + goremaw for the next etc
halcyon timber
“We see rogues making good use of their tools, warlocks don’t like that so we are changing that “
waxen meteor
you picked one less point for finality?
halcyon timber
Yep that’s one way of doing it
sour charm
Are you guys running Hemotoxin and no Wound if you play without DTB?
fast cargo
Yeah that’s what I’ve been doing. But I feel like it depends on comp. If they have a lot of off heals wound probably better
waxen meteor
Are you guys running Hemotoxin and no Wound if you play without DTB?
Deadly + Hemo more popular in here, but no certainty
fast cargo
I haven’t found a non DTB build I like, sudden death feels meh. But need to play more to really see.
waxen meteor
sudden death is basically just for 10% bleed dmg bonus
sour charm
Personally this rework has been a giant monkeys paw for me but I am glad people are enjoying it
fading blade
any1 know how much honor we need for the whole set
fast cargo
Side note, anyone running tier as assa? Set bonus looks trash and stats on tier is also trash
Feels like we’re just going crafted/conq gear
We lost the 4% verse from class tree so feel like we need more verse from gear this season
worthy crag
but how do you afford spesis...
I didnt talent into finality or deeper daggers at all
waxen meteor
I didnt talent into finality or deeper daggers at all
what about ST?
spice harness
Am I supposed to feel more energy starved as outlaw after patch or I'm doing something wrong now
halcyon timber
We lost the 4% verse from class tree so feel like we need more verse from gear ...
Dunno , 4% flat damage vs other talents just flat out doing more on their own is sick. Definitely a gain there no?
worthy crag
I did take secret tech yeah
the pathing to take it has improved so it's definitely worth the investment
gritty heart
halcyon timber
Ex: ambusj dealing a crap ton more as poison and other bleed effects etc
gritty heart
i play this now it feel so good
halcyon timber
i play this now it feel so good
Glad you found something you enjoy brother
gritty heart
i have 450 bloody tokens which item i should buy
wintry dew
all of them
halcyon timber
Friggin blindside procced a lot when i was messing w that on ptr. Assassins definitely have good punch. The tier set was pretty filthy as well as the envenom bomb effect hit pretty hard
halcyon timber
i have 450 bloody tokens which item i should buy
Main pieces prob a safe bet . Can upgrade w trophies later on or weapon
halcyon timber
We have any intel on that cursed axe yet? Dks are going to shadowmourne it up again once they get that
winged lion
whats the best move for gearing up right now? should i save all bloody tokens/honor/conq?
halcyon timber
Pretty much yeah, that’s what we all have been doing.
winged lion
starting this week or next wek? does ilvl of it go up next week
jolly sierra
now
winged lion
oh cool
halcyon timber
Thats fine, haste doesn’t stink anymore. Some haste is decent
gritty heart
and which for off hand?
halcyon timber
Up to you, its minimal difference
inner tartan
give me a outlaw pvp built any one please
final kite
Crackshot go bang, bang, bang, bang.
final kite
I already miss having BR in pve, charge is so nice.
sour charm
Did anyone experiement with No Dance Assa?
wintry dew
Just did the Wpvp Wquests
there was a 500 b.tokens available
so i already bought 4 pieces
wrists/belt/back and offweapon
sour charm
Yeah EU has a 500 token quest in caverns
white gazelle
Secret tech or no secret tech
spring bough
just found out you can buy 1 trophy of strife for 3500 honor so no more waiting for weekly sparks quests to upgrade warmode gear
spring bough
not gonna say i might farm a whole stock pile this weekend but i might....
also just did this spark quest and got 0 trophy is it not given this week?
white gazelle
I don’t think it is but I haven’t touched wow yet since patch
spring bough
im guessing conq still resets on tuesday? I hate they gave us all these weeklys to load us up and then take it lol
spring bough
and the quest isn't giving me any trophy w them
just did it on my rogue no trophy from spark quest and checked on my hunter and it doesnt offer it as a reward... they either screwed up or its not until tuesday we can get them
viscid marsh
just did it on my rogue no trophy from spark quest and checked on my hunter and ...
Check your currency tab my guy
spring bough
Check your currency tab my guy
its not there
viscid marsh
Then idk, i got them from quest. Just isn't an item in your bags, but shows up in your currency tab.
visual flume
Hello everyone who is looking better between assa/outlaw?
spring bough
Then idk, i got them from quest. Just isn't an item in your bags, but shows up i...
did you do it yesterday? Im guessing they removed it cause its not even apart of the spark quest rewards when i check my hunter
viscid marsh
I did it 4 hours ago, on EU
jolly sierra
just did it on my rogue no trophy from spark quest and checked on my hunter and ...
seems like a ninja hotfix dude
they screw it w stuff like that
is not the 1st time something happens w trophies
gritty heart
So Goremaws crits for up to 300k
its amazing
lofty panther
I would lean towards Sub since sin gets hard countered by dwarf race and so much other dispel shit
and since dwarf is bis pve race too there's a lot of them
sterile scaffold
so outlaw not a choice?
gritty heart
Man I just can't get used to playing without MFD
now goremaw bite do more
stoic spruce
the ilvl on tuesday will more than make up for lack of tier
honor gear > Season 2 tier
wpvp gear > season 2 tier
lofty panther
Man I just can't get used to playing without MFD
agreed
i feel like i lose so much pressure not being able to open with kidney
spring bough
idk buy off hand or hold it
prob going to be 1-2 token world quests and some gear quests. i just went for the weps first lol
wintry dew
wise breach
Yeah, we're not supposed to get Trophies this week
Some people got lucky because Blizz fucked up
And some people bought a bunch of conquest trophies
Blizz probably won't do anything about that either
jolly bear
thats so annoying
wise breach
Indeed, I spent all my conquest buying boxes last week
inner tartan
Indeed, I spent all my conquest buying boxes last week
same
jolly bear
damn I deadass forgot how lit Bleach was
winged lion
what do you guys find the best burst combo for sub is now?
with goremaws bite and everything now
jolly bear
well I dont use The Rotten anymore
and idk if we are supposed to track Perforated Veins now
wary spire
just found out you can buy 1 trophy of strife for 3500 honor so no more waiting ...
Oh hell yeah.
sour charm
This was definitely worth it.
gritty heart
what
worthy crag
and idk if we are supposed to track Perforated Veins now
If you have it talented, and if you are using rotten, you definitely want to track it. Not sure if you would want to track it as much if you dont have rotten though
wary spire
Kingsbane rocks. We need to of course wait until people gear up, but it feels like a valid way of killing someone in a cloud with.
It starts eating people pretty fast.
sour charm
how?
650 of those were from WQs. Then just killing bounties and opening boxes while I did the emerald dream stuff.
The rest I farmed with a GY camp group
jolly bear
holy lol
wise breach
just found out you can buy 1 trophy of strife for 3500 honor so no more waiting ...
You can only buy those if you're behind
sour charm
Now back to moping about the changes and try to find a way to justify not playing Dance on Assa
wise breach
Like you can earn 8 Trophies a week from the Sparks quest, and you start an alt 3 weeks into the season, you can catch up for the missed weeks that way
wary spire
Now back to moping about the changes and try to find a way to justify not playin...
Just use it as a Kingsbane boost.
sour charm
I just really really dislike Dance. Always did.
jolly bear
dont you just use ambush instead of mutilate
gritty heart
Like you can earn 8 Trophies a week from the Sparks quest, and you start an alt ...
trophy are not usable now ?
wary spire
I'm pretty happy with it currently. But I do think thematically only sub should have it.
spring bough
You can only buy those if you're behind
RIP
sour charm
It kinda wraps the entire playstyle around it. Even more so in PvE.
jolly bear
idk i think only going into stealth outside combat is kinda lame
sour charm
I get it. Dance is cool and you can do neat stuff with it
And that is fine for Sub, let it have its niche. I just don't like it on Assa.
Really is a cursed timeline when Sub plays with Cold Blood and Assa has Dance kek
jolly bear
I didnt take Cold Blood on sub
wintry dew
The rest I farmed with a GY camp group
Im ina 5 man group rn, literally afk since im with my warrior alt
they kill, i watch xD
sour charm
I am pretty sure on lower rating I can just play 6CP Assa without Dance anyway
But knowing that its suboptimal kinda hurts
I like all the other changes tho
Meaty Ambush procs
halcyon timber
Surely there is a way
sour charm
Kingsbane feel good to press
jolly bear
so is CT just it's own thing now? I always was confused why they didnt just make it apply rupture
halcyon timber
Max gear it can do 250k a tick
sour charm
I would happily trade some of the damage we have now for any kind of defense.
jolly bear
all you have to do is play sub and you dont even have to sacrifice dmg :^)
sour charm
Yeah I know :^)
halcyon timber
Technically, 20% elusive + 5+ dn + 3 % atrophic w dtb + versatility and decent healing package should be slick no? Not including versatility and veil if chosen
halcyon timber
Agreed
sour charm
if you wanna look at it that way