pvp

[maiden gull]

you get crazy attakspeed

[quaint cedar]

I did like swift slasher, makes the rotation feel smooth

I wish we had more pvp talent slots. Buffing allies with take your cut is cool, just a bit hard to pick up sometimes

[maiden gull]

you take out heavy hitter for swift slasher then?

what do you mean with "makes the rotation feel smooth"?

[waxen meteor]

is it today or tmr we gonna have 10.2 content in

[tribal badger]

today if ur NA

tmr if ur EU

[lucid citrus]

Anyone got a sub build? Or we going in and testing it all out this week?

[waxen meteor]

Great, excited to try new things out today!

the lv70 boosts gave me 424 gears lol

I don't really need to throw all 20k conquests on monk to avoid waste

[waxen meteor]

Don't see anyone posted here for sub yet, i guess we will figure out this week.

overall i think sub can have a bunch of variance in builds

[lucid citrus]

Niceee

Rightt

Guess it’ll be a fun time to experiment!

I can’t wait till we find those builds and see which spec will be the most fun

[waxen meteor]

I also want to figure out if we need to use wound anymore for sin

since we are dropping DTB

[jolly sierra]

did fucking tokens reset? XD

[lucid citrus]

Blood tokens? I think so?

[waxen meteor]

well server is down, we will see once it's back up

how are people feeling about new talent shadow craft

Could someone help me to understand how it actually works?

[maiden gull]

@waxen meteor Palumor made a vid on it

[tribal badger]

during symbols u proc ur new shadow tech more often, u get 2 stacks instead of 1, and instead of just builders finishers will also proc it

so like if u proc shadow tech 3 times u have 6 stacks

then when u evis it will consume ur CP, see you have 6 CP "stored" and consume those to give u a full CP bar

so u can evis > evis

[lucid citrus]

Crazzzyy right?

[jolly sierra]

oof k

sounds like a quick nerf

[tribal badger]

servers wont be up for another 5 or 6 hours probably

[lucid citrus]

I bet 2 pm it’ll be up

[waxen meteor]

hope you don't mean pacific time lol

but i guess it is probably gonna take 6 hours at least

[tribal badger]

yes pacific time

i think they said expect it around them

id expect it later personally

[worthy crag]

does season start this week?

[waxen meteor]

say if we have 7 stars, basically this evis-evis thing will only pop when stored combo points reached 7 stars, right?

[waxen meteor]

seems next week

[tribal badger]

when it reaches a max combo point bar yes

it will also pop if u hit a builder and u have enough to consume to fill ur cp bar + that builder tho

[waxen meteor]

How do you feel about it in PTR?

[tribal badger]

keep that in mind

well i dont play sub, i just know how the thingy works

and a bit doomed cause i dont think outlaws rework is that great for pvp

[waxen meteor]

It looks like there are 4 talents in sub tree are competing for 2 spots

[tribal badger]

but hopeful it will be tuned well

i mean sub will be good regardless

subs a spec that can be played to a high level even when it doesnt do damage

just a well designed spec

law and sin both need to do damage to really be competative

[waxen meteor]

I am not sure why, but what palumor speaks in his video doesn't connect with me

but it's also a bit dated, still have mark for death there

[muted abyss]

is there an addon that shows the pvp scaling for tooltips?

[waxen meteor]

oh he said on PTR, CB Evis (with finality) dmg is quite close to CB ST

[jolly sierra]

never liked palumor ngl

[lucid citrus]

^^

[waxen meteor]

yeah i feel the only thing i am gonna try is if evis with finality is close to st

[wary spire]

I think he's alright. Venruki can suck on a lemon tho.

[jolly sierra]

venruki sucks too

[worthy crag]

finality is kinda hard to take though

But i do believe the dmg would be close. I ran 4set bonus in season 2(20% evis dmg) and it was hitting as high as 210k with cb

[sharp sierra]

has the assass rotation changed completely in 10.2?

[jolly sierra]

nah'

u just open w cheap shot now tho lol

[sharp sierra]

what about sub

[waxen meteor]

I just feel very differently in sub rogue

the way he thinks good vs what i feel comfortable

most pikaboo's play style seems a lot more comfortable to me, although i normally change a couple of strange points he put on talents

[jolly sierra]

palumor is the guy which left rogues in a bad state with another players

[waxen meteor]

but overall the general feelings are similar

[jolly sierra]

too much cheesy combos and flexing a lot in his twitch

[waxen meteor]

Rotation doesn't seem to change, but burst will posiiblely change

[jolly sierra]

feel like he is creating a bad image w that if some rogues follows him

dunno, its like he is just doing that stuff for the follows rather than love for the class

[sharp sierra]

im hoping sub is still simple

[sinful ingot]

Struggling with picking which spec to focus on. I'm terminally a fury main and looking to branch out. Looking for something where I can go 80% of the way with 20% effort, not necessarily what is best but what yields best results for the least effort.
I accept I'll never be a great player

[waxen meteor]

Hmm I don't think rogue is such a class tbh

Probably the opposite..

[old brook]

Indeed. It's fine not to be "great" as a player, but rogue certainly isn't going to go 80% of the way with 20% of the effort.

[waxen meteor]

And it depends on the goal, you know

If you just want to reach 1800 or sth, probably going DH matches what you asked

or whatever meta spec is of the season

like my SP reached 2200 ish in s2, I hardly even understand what my talents do, especially last row on SP tree.

[old brook]

When mm hunter is strong, I like to play that for a change of pace. Much more forgiving, esp if you have some positional awareness or teammates to peel off ya

Fun playstyle as a change of pace

[jolly sierra]

don't think rogue is your ideal class

try a ret

[old brook]

Your place as a rogue is always welcome but it's not as forgiving as other classes.

[waxen meteor]

[jolly sierra]

oh i figured bad, my fault

lemme correct it

gotcha

[old brook]

hehe

[sinful ingot]

what would 20% effort look like?

[jolly sierra]

pressing like 3 keys

[sinful ingot]

I picture it as using "burst script" like blindly following a 1 - 5 keypress sequence every time, or using a castsequence macro

[jolly sierra]

and beating ppl doing that

[waxen meteor]

Tbh Ret requires some efforts to be good

DH at 1800 level is what you can win with face on keyboard

[jolly sierra]

but not too much to be regular

[old brook]

Tried a lock before?

[sinful ingot]

I'm pretty good at warrior and aug, using all the utility and cc and stuff. I just think rogue looks pretty cool

[sharp pumice]

Oh hey zercher

[sinful ingot]

I don't like casters

[sinful ingot]

haihai

[old brook]

Good control, good defensives, typically has a meta spec

Ah.

[waxen meteor]

Lock is not a tiny effort class i think

[sharp pumice]

Ret and DH are pretty zugzug

[jolly sierra]

rog is cool but is a very big effort for every spec

[old brook]

More scriptable though I feel like

[jolly sierra]

even assa, u need to run a lot while u are doing damage

[sharp pumice]

Lock is very strong but you do have to be aware

[waxen meteor]

There are not too many btns for destro lock, but you are trained 247

[sharp pumice]

Also yes, you will always be a target

[waxen meteor]

That takes a lot of other efforts

[jolly sierra]

if i would have a top for 3 me smash me win specs would be

1. DH
2. warr

3. ret

[sharp pumice]

Not because you die easily but because they're scared of letting you cast

Ret is more zug than warrior now

[waxen meteor]

Well Lock doesn't have long legs too 🙂

[jolly sierra]

ret is support

[sinful ingot]

I tried assa last season and i guess it just didn't click for me. And I've been feral main forever

[waxen meteor]

Normally if i find my teammates bad at handling at kiting in solo, I just recommend to go lock 247

[sharp pumice]

When are the realms coming back online blizzard Jesus

[jolly sierra]

add -zug points w that

[sharp pumice]

That's true you do have to watch your teammates

As a warrior you just try to intercept the right shit

[jolly sierra]

a bad ret would never bop/spellwarden their comps

[waxen meteor]

Feral is confusing as fuck to me, I always think there are 10 skills that essentially just rupture

[jolly sierra]

or even use sac

[sharp pumice]

That's because there are

[waxen meteor]

Yeah I got my druid boosted to lv60

tried feral on map

placing the skills on keyboard

[jolly sierra]

the only role DH rlly has supporting their guys is w darkness or imprison

[waxen meteor]

i was like, okay, this is rupture, it goes to this key like my sin

then what the hell? another rupture

then what???? another rupture?????????

[sharp pumice]

And shooting lasers and flying around

And yeah, bleed them out

[jolly sierra]

pew pew

[waxen meteor]

then i stopped paying attention

i should have played boomie

[sharp pumice]

Kinda wish assassination could do that in a more interesting fashion

[waxen meteor]

maybe i will not leave my druid at lv60

[jolly sierra]

have u even heard about dh having just 3 buttons?

they embrace the meme

[sinful ingot]

tbh I'm playing my dh right now, trying to cap honor before tomorrow

I just still think rogue looks cooler

[jolly sierra]

btw waiting for this shits to expire in refund

what about learing to use it properly?

maybe u can stay as rogue after all

[sinful ingot]

yea

[waxen meteor]

Rogue can be one of the most effort required class

You can tell from skirmish

[sinful ingot]

I was hoping for a training wheels mode to play while getting used to the whole meta-gameplay like positioning and stuff

[old brook]

as long as you're having fun, it's worth the time invested. you'll pick the skills up along the way

[waxen meteor]

There are tons of rogues in skirmish that basically doesn't add any value

And there are another portion of rogues just rocks at 2s without healer as 2 people

[jolly sierra]

hmmmmmmm

watch shadenox vids in youtube

[sinful ingot]

I'd even settle for playing outlaw even though the pirate theme is my ick

[waxen meteor]

outlaw might somehow relates to warrior i guess

[jolly sierra]

the guy is by far the most didactic rog u can see to learn

he mainly plays assa too

[waxen meteor]

kinda funny, i got a guildie mains warrior just started playing outlaw too

but i noticed he then been playing monk for more time online lol

[sinful ingot]

what style does outlaw play? Brawler or hit and run?

[jolly sierra]

brawler

[sinful ingot]

what will be my main source of damage?

[jolly sierra]

ambush tho

[sinful ingot]

So the more ambush the better

[jolly sierra]

yes

[sinful ingot]

So the lower rating the harder the spec is?

[waxen meteor]

well sort of

but that's just s2

[tribal badger]

or the worse the spec is

its not directly correlated to difficulty

[waxen meteor]

I just figure out it's kinda funny for this

Don't they basically ONLY fighting/competing with exact same spec?

[sinful ingot]

yup, prot vs prot

for some weird reason

[jolly sierra]

god dammit i fucking hate protadins

[jolly sierra]

cuz they can fill the healer role

but are the shit healing

[sinful ingot]

Not sure why they didn't just nerf their healing so they stop being pseudo healers

put them with the other tanks

heck yes actually. Make prots play with all the other tanks as dps

only

[jolly sierra]

the other tanks cant support that much compared to prots

imagine a match

with a healer, a prot and a regular dps

[sinful ingot]

I was imagining shuffle with 2x prot and 4x tanks

Put them in their own little pool

[jolly sierra]

its like a fkn mirror match between control decks

in card games

zzzzzz

alright fkn bloody tokens

[waxen meteor]

don't worry update will take 8 hours

you won't refund them

[jolly sierra]

i know

but wanna see the gold

XD

[wary spire]

Well tbf it's probably because you played a lot and your awareness, positioning and use of the most powerful cooldowns wasn't random.

[waxen meteor]

Yeah but i mean for some classes it's probably impossible

[wary spire]

Even if you don't know all the small sp details.

[waxen meteor]

I feel the talent description on SP is written in a really difficult way to understand

it's like taking toefl exam lol

[wary spire]

Almost maddening, eh.

[wary spire]

I kinda feel like it's more about playstyle. Like I feel like warrior main will struggle more learning mage than a hunter will.

[jolly sierra]

the responsible in redacting was a void lord

[waxen meteor]

yeah i had quite a learning curve for SP

i never played range classes seriously

this is the first season i tried to play range classes

[wary spire]

They feel so bad

[waxen meteor]

and probably because i had no expecation for it

I played a lot of games of SP and Marksman at the same time

then finally got used to it

SP seems really powerful to me

At the beginning i was so scared of melee coming close to me

and dared only to do instant spells

Now I cast on their face

[wary spire]

Do you fish for premed?

[waxen meteor]

Yeah but i do that way later

Cast on their face is step2

Fish for premed is step3

[wary spire]

I hate you

[waxen meteor]

but for SP, sometimes I don't even bother to fish for that

especially against melees

but fish for mage and lock are important

they stop same school for 5 seconds

like if SP got interrupted by us for example, who cares... cast a shield on myself and throw a fast heal (that also reduce dmg taken for next few seconds)

then bangbangbang again

[waxen meteor]

don't worry i got fished too

those casters are bitches

[floral crest]

The only caster I hadn’t had a time learning is boom / disc

[waxen meteor]

but it's fun because i played some of those specs, i know some spells that don't really matter

so i don't even bother to interupt

[floral crest]

Well boom is kinda like ele and I know ele

[waxen meteor]

and i see them trying to fish me with those

i was like laughing on this side of screen

[stoic spruce]

Oh my God yall are so stupid

[wary spire]

Yes and?

[stoic spruce]

I'm jk. Just starting stuff while I wait for my food to cook.

[floral crest]

Lol no one said we went

Werent

See I can’t even spell

[stoic spruce]

Lmao

[sharp sierra]

holy moly. is the sub rotation that different now? is it stronger in pvp? hearing mixed reviews

[stoic spruce]

Bro when I drink coffee, all spelling and grammar goes out the window

[floral crest]

I’m on a 24/7 cracked out energy state, coffee does nothing

[waxen meteor]

I think the other day i saw a SP trying to fish me with Vampiric touch, casted/stopped, casted/stopped, casted/stopped for 3 times...
Each time stopped with bigger % of casting bar

but i never tried to interupt that one

[floral crest]

Dp is instant tho

Ain’t it

[waxen meteor]

?

[floral crest]

Touch

[waxen meteor]

yeah the touch

broken english problem

[floral crest]

Vampiric touch

[waxen meteor]

google gave me this name

[floral crest]

Devouring plague is there spender that’s instant dot

[jolly sierra]

spending all in pvp chests

[waxen meteor]

yeah

[stoic spruce]

boop

That hand looks like it's got a booger on the tip and he's trying to touch someone

[sinful ingot]

but why

[worthy crag]

whats looking like the embellishments to pick,

?

[jolly sierra]

cuz conq resets for next season

[sinful ingot]

But what does using it now get you?

[jolly sierra]

gold

KEK

[sinful ingot]

like a lot?

I don't do anything for gold if it gives less than 10k

[worthy crag]

its just vendoring the conq gears with excess conq lol

[jolly sierra]

do u have an enchanter?

[wary spire]

Wait we're not supposed to kick that one?

[fast cargo]

is the blue silk lining going to be the second embellishment to run since sporecloak is nerfed?

or the new verdant conduit, it gives a proc of like 350ish random secondary stat

[tribal badger]

gets converted into gold

is the rate of conquest boxes sold for gold higher then the conversion of conq to gold?

[wintry dew]

Americans still waiting for the downtime?

[jolly sierra]

is not toom much i recall the conv gold

[fast cargo]

I think the conversion is pretty trash

I usually buy the shields for 450 conquest, they sell for 79g each I think

Someone in my guild said the boxes open up to 200g when season ends but idk if that’s true haven’t heard it anywhere before

Idk if that would be today, or next week when s3 starts but I bought a couple boxes to check since the gold difference between the rng loot and buying a fixed piece isn’t going to make or break my money

[sharp sierra]

are people still taking goremaw in patch?

[waxen meteor]

well it's kind of yes and no.
SP also have instant cast of touch in aoe form, it's just a general dot they add. Like if our garrote and rupture can be interrupted, we might not choose to interrupt that all the time. The void (i hope my english is not broken here again) is probably more dangerous.
And also these two

[tribal badger]

mindgames and void torrent

void torrent is a big one, their hardest hitter

[waxen meteor]

Normally interrupting these are more crucial to SP (I feel)

the Dots will be added on you in one way or another

if they want to add the dots before void form, you potentially delay their burst time a bit

but you can reach same result by kicking void form singiing

[floral crest]

If they get a cast off of VT the next one is instant

Every 20 secs that is

[waxen meteor]

Yeah

[floral crest]

So it doesn’t matter lol you’ll be dotted quick

[waxen meteor]

and the instant one also has instnat dmg although smal

[floral crest]

Pain yea

[worthy crag]

was it nerfed in a way that people wouldnt want to take it in pvp?

[shut solstice]

Hey guys I’m almost done with my LAST semester of school and I’m ready to F U C K.

Is there a 10.2 outlaw guide that were following?

[waxen meteor]

[wary spire]

Man.

[tribal badger]

no not really

gotta wait for people to test stuff

not many outlaw content creators pvp wise

my hope is not high for the spec in 10.2 either

[shut solstice]

This hurts my soul. I just want to do damage. I swapped to fury and started having so much fun.

I want to switch back and kill

[tribal badger]

i mean its possible we get tuned well

[final kite]

I pushed to 1560 as outlaw on saturday, terrible damage lol

[tribal badger]

its just very untested, and the new design direction is mostly negative for pvp as far as i can see

no more armor pen, the spec is tuned around dancing and vanishing on cd to do any damage now

[shut solstice]

I was 1900 at outlaw but I had to sacrifice my first born to get there

[final kite]

Just wanted the elite set, switched to sub and it was so much easier.

[shut solstice]

ugh that’s not what I want

[tribal badger]

and mastery ate a fat nerf

so im not sure what we are gunna go secondary wise

[shut solstice]

Dancing around vanish…

[tribal badger]

cause crits still bad and haste didnt really get good

[final kite]

Vers crit probably, same as pve

[stoic spruce]

It hurts

[waxen meteor]

when there's no priority, normally the best way is just to max our vers and get evenly the secondaries

i guess mastery is still slighly better

[stoic spruce]

I'm going to expirement with non shadowdance builds. I know they'll suck but I really want to see how it feels.

In a real pvp enviroment

War games was too much work

[sharp sierra]

So from what im hearing, sub is poop now?

[stoic spruce]

It's probably still better than the other 2 tbh

[sharp sierra]

Im confused. Everyone says stier on twitch but yall say its crap?

[lucid citrus]

What happened with mastery?

[sharp sierra]

Fat nerf apparently

[lucid citrus]

Hmmm how much of a nerf we talking?

[sharp sierra]

Not sure

[stoic spruce]

That was about outlaw I don't think it applies to sub

Unless sub also had a mastery nerf but idr that being a thing

[sharp sierra]

Its so dumb i cant gear other characters this week. S2 vendor gone and no s3 honor this week.

[stoic spruce]

Yeah a week of doing nothing

Yippee

[old brook]

A week of running your subscription time up ezclap

[stoic spruce]

Lmao

So true

[old brook]

I'm salty is all T.T

[sharp sierra]

Lol

[stoic spruce]

Oh my

[sharp sierra]

Mine renewed yesterday

I would cancelled a week

[waxen meteor]

I might try the additional 10% slow talent

from crippling

[old brook]

I love it in rbgs. Shiv and step to the next target to pull off your carrier

10% will go far

Haven't played with the new tree yet. Does it feel more flexible?

Just now reading the changes

[stoic spruce]

All the trees feel much better

[old brook]

/lipbite

[stoic spruce]

Though talent changes are subjective

I for one am not a fan

[final kite]

Playing crackshot is just this. I'd like to try it lol.

https://tenor.com/view/i-started-blasting-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-danny-devito-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-blasting-gif-24425727

[stoic spruce]

I will say that I'm glad we can take the bte modifiers

[final kite]

I wonder if wickers is too rng dependant when you need to go and just wiff.

[fast cargo]

It’s 5% in pvp

[stoic spruce]

Rng dependent?

The procs yeah

[final kite]

bouncing between ace up your sleeve and wickers procs

[waxen meteor]

fuck even that got nerfed

[sharp sierra]

Is taking out target in 5 sec kidney shot still a thing lol

[stoic spruce]

Probably for sub

At low mmr

[fast cargo]

If you’re sub yeah, I think the burst test on PTR was 3s if all conditions met

So probably in average set up, triple dr cheap should kill someone

[waxen meteor]

which build sir?

with G Bite and Perforated Veins?

[fast cargo]

I gotta check, but most likely since bite crits for like 300k when you have stacks

[waxen meteor]

yeah the talent reads with 270% AP shadow dmg

Basically ST is like 17.6% * 7 * 3 = 370%

Seems quite a bit dmg and can benefit from Perforated Veins 50% bonus, not sure if it's gonna mean 270% * 1.5 = 405%

but it could be quite big on paper

looks like a combo that won't last more than 1 week

and also benefit from rotten, so cold blood not required and another 35% bonus

[halcyon timber]

Still takes set up so its fine. Other classes do the same and still hit harder

Rotten is also brought down, its 21% not 35% in pvp

[waxen meteor]

i am really annoyed by thse modifiers

[halcyon timber]

Crqckshot resets for outlaw are filthy, if they get lucky they can fire off just about 5 in a kidney window

Modifiers have always been around

[waxen meteor]

yeah but it's easy to be missed

[halcyon timber]

Would rather augment my favorite things than trashy “this is all you can do”

[waxen meteor]

like if you don't constantly paying attention to thse modifiers

it's too easy to be missed

[halcyon timber]

Yes but definitely have to as rogues

The misinformation individuals spread is nonsense

[waxen meteor]

It's better to build this modifiers in game

and potentially in wowhead...

the bigger problem is even in game you don't notice that easily

[halcyon timber]

I tested stuff a lot, all 3 rogues can hit in the same ball park with effects. Just different ways to do x but are all very close in damage

[wary spire]

Yep. Still salty about it.

[halcyon timber]

Yeah have to check and see stuff in bgs as an example

[waxen meteor]

it looks like goremaw's bite is a must pick?

[wary spire]

A talent that is only good in pvp, behind the other pvp only talent, is gutted in pvp.

[waxen meteor]

damn i really hope to pick brew for rupture dmg

but i guess it's rotten and bite

[halcyon timber]

Versatility is a big deal too as some classes screw around with low versatility then get slapped and blame us

[wary spire]

Like what is the point of it.

[halcyon timber]

Brew is very good

[waxen meteor]

that's from tbc

nothing new

[halcyon timber]

XD yeh

[waxen meteor]

there are always noobs dead in one sigle kidney and cry 247

[halcyon timber]

Cloak was toned down to match the other embelishments

[waxen meteor]

even when we were glass canon

[wary spire]

We're having a talent rewamp and one of the few new talents is trash reee

[waxen meteor]

they never tried to figure out how to just last a bit longer, just cry cry cry

[halcyon timber]

Yeah people trinket or use defense at 30% and still trinket sap

[waxen meteor]

and they are the people crying most

[wary spire]

Gouge. They trinket gouge.

[waxen meteor]

what can we do

[halcyon timber]

Yep

At least blackjack works

[waxen meteor]

haha

yeah

[halcyon timber]

Tested a lot on ptr and kept submitting it

[waxen meteor]

btw, the kidney 5% overall dmg bonus is gone for all specs?

[halcyon timber]

Till itvdid 100% of the time

Yes

Only outlaws

[waxen meteor]

oh outlaw still has it

good

[halcyon timber]

Yeah they are solid

Rogues were tuned down a lot from the start of ptr

And classes still blasted higher then so..

[waxen meteor]

yeah but it seem really impossible with both brew/bite and rotten selected

[halcyon timber]

Have to trade something as always

Can’t have it all

[waxen meteor]

maybe just brew + bite and forget rotten

yeah

[halcyon timber]

Yeah brew is solid

Finality brew was very nice to focus on eviscerate style on ptr

[waxen meteor]

I was not trying to take rotten until i realize it buffs bite

[halcyon timber]

Both do similar damage in different ways so literally play how you want

[waxen meteor]

I feel it's kinda really hard to monitor Perforated Veins

just running it in my head

[halcyon timber]

Bite is a good tool regardless and brew gives it 10% anyway along with deeper daggers for 6% or whatever it was tuned down to be

Yeah pv needs time and its still good

[wary spire]

The unnerfed touch of death would've been so funny.

[halcyon timber]

Have to be smart with it

[wary spire]

At least for a few weeks.

[halcyon timber]

Tod is nerfed?

Not 35%. Of monks life?

[fast cargo]

Yeah I’m sad they nerfed sudden death. I think the health pool at max ilvl s3 is like 700k

[worthy crag]

Dont think ppl would use dark brew with goremaw though

[wary spire]

Sudden demise was nerfed from like 30 to 10.

[halcyon timber]

Oh sd

[worthy crag]

Better just to use rotten and guatantee crit

[halcyon timber]

Yeah sd got sabotaged by that whiney hunter

Was indeed strong but yeah

[muted abyss]

mm hunters are already hard countered by rogues lol

[fast cargo]

So 10% is 70k hp, and you need 250% that remaining in bleeds so you’d need 180k worth or bleeds on the target to kill them. My math might be off tho

[waxen meteor]

I think dark brew is just very valuable for rupture dmg?

[halcyon timber]

Circle of life

Db is just a good overall buff

[waxen meteor]

but rotten crit for bite looks super solid

with whatever remain % dmg boost

[halcyon timber]

10% to anything shadow

Its a solid pick

[waxen meteor]

but it also turns bleed dmg to shadow

[halcyon timber]

Yessir

[wary spire]

I really don't think that hunter did much honestly. Like, we're assuming blizz takes feedback from the forums lol.

[waxen meteor]

i think that's how rupture dmg goes uuuup

[halcyon timber]

Well our guy said he does take feedback from all sources and isn’t listening to 1 group alone

[waxen meteor]

but maybe i am wrong

[halcyon timber]

Deep dive said they are also looking at feedback from all sources

You’re right T, it does affect rupture as advertised

Always has

[waxen meteor]

It just feels so hard to manage this

[halcyon timber]

Weak aura

[waxen meteor]

Like litreally need to plan it a few backstab in adv

[halcyon timber]

Its easy rhythm if you’re used to it after a while

[waxen meteor]

and once you have it triggered, you can't use other skills to accumulate cp

[halcyon timber]

Correct

[wary spire]

I think the main value is that the real health of your targets is 90% and healers need to play around that without ai indications.

[halcyon timber]

Its a good multi tool

[waxen meteor]

Like if you reach this at 3 CP, you are basically wasting it

[wary spire]

I might be coping.

[waxen meteor]

well in theory you can still bite it first then kidney

[halcyon timber]

Yes

Some thinking has to go into it which is good and i dig it

[waxen meteor]

OK< I need to install weakaura now

addon less player is weaker

[halcyon timber]

Yeah im working on an art package for weak auras

[waxen meteor]

Good I have a copy/paste source now

[halcyon timber]

Might use them to raise money for grad school

[waxen meteor]

What major are you on?
CS?

[halcyon timber]

Double majoring atm

[waxen meteor]

Well obviously if it's too personal just ignore me

[wary spire]

Well I'm saying I'm 3 meters tall and hold the record for a shrimp eating competition.

[waxen meteor]

You must be son of Yao Ming

[halcyon timber]

Yao is cool af

[waxen meteor]

and he doesn't have a son yet

[halcyon timber]

I think rogues will be fine with elusiveness being better and the upgraded sprint etc

[waxen meteor]

only a daughter

[halcyon timber]

Iron stomach is nice

Esp w recupe

[waxen meteor]

Yeah it sort of forces us to iron stomach ish

they are not bad

even now i think

just got ignored totally

[worthy crag]

perforated veins + sepsis life

[halcyon timber]

A lot more accessible

Sepsis is good

[wary spire]

The jig is out

[waxen meteor]

Well now you basically either pick up some support/survival on left side of rogue tree, or you go subterfuge

[halcyon timber]

Sepsis db is filthy

On ptr

[waxen meteor]

Do you pick Sepsis for either sin or sub?

There are only 10 points allowed from here

[worthy crag]

Itll prob be a personal choice

[waxen meteor]

It's reallllly hard to pick sepsis

[halcyon timber]

I don’t touch assassination but i imagine they get a good chunk from ambush now. Given thst it can deal 90% increased damage as nature bot including the poison / bleed bonus rolling

Ambush hits hard as assassination finally after 8 years

Mutilate also can chunk

[worthy crag]

Prob gonna be like finality vs dance macab and optionally sepsis or flag

[waxen meteor]

yeah

Or no dust

[worthy crag]

nah giving up rotten is too impactful unless ur also giving up g bite

[halcyon timber]

Yeah DM is pretty much where old FW went to. 30% armor is 9% damage .

Definitely felt good on ptr without DM

Going into other options to pick up stuff was solid

[waxen meteor]

Could be this

But I don't think it's really gonna be good

[halcyon timber]

It can be

Just depends on how you execute it

Different style of play

[waxen meteor]

More finisher style

[halcyon timber]

Yessir, shifts the damage to mostly finishers

That was a thing i tried too

Felt solid

[waxen meteor]

but i need to have two more keybinds

[halcyon timber]

Glory of mmo mouse

[waxen meteor]

Sepsis Dot + Rupture Shadow DMG during a kidney duel can be very helpful to land a kill

[halcyon timber]

The new pvp pings are cool too

[waxen meteor]

Haha yeah, honestly i had a solo game there is one guy keep using it

it was really helpful

i know he wants to swap a few seconds earlier

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i like it a lot

[waxen meteor]

until the healer started to use that too

then i got fully confused

[muted abyss]

never got used to using an mmo mouse, too many buttons

[halcyon timber]

Razer trinity or whatever the heck i bought felt smooth

Like a small grenade

[muted abyss]

Yeah, that's the one I tried

[waxen meteor]

I bought something in middle

[muted abyss]

Honestly I'd love a mouse shaped like the deathadder but with only 3 or 4 side buttons

[waxen meteor]

not like 12 btn on side

but two more btns

so they are big

[halcyon timber]

Yeah

[muted abyss]

Yeah, deathadder with the two side buttons is great

[waxen meteor]

i mean 4

i think most mouses have two side buttons already

so i got one with 4

actually 5

so it's not like 12 small ones I feel i would mess up

but 5 bigger ones

with 1 of the 5 probably only doing setting things, may be possible to program differently but i havent tried

[muted abyss]

remapping caps-lock to alt or ctrl helps a lot

easier to reach than alt or ctrl

[waxen meteor]

yeah

I have a alt+g for defensive skill from years of exp, i am not sure why i did that in beginning at all, might be silly reasons

but now with my new laptop, if i hit windows + G it just screws everything

i think it calls out some werid recording thing

This is my current mouse

so 5 on side, with 1 probably not usable

[muted abyss]

honestly if I need that many side buttons, then I'm playing with too many keybinds lol

[surreal barn]

Logitech g600 what I use

But I blow through them

Have to buy one like every year lol

[muted abyss]

same, I go through a razer deathadder every 6 months

[waxen meteor]

Servers still down, I guess that's it for today

[wary spire]

@muted abyss oh shit it's a nose, not a smug smiley face...

[waxen meteor]

will try 10.2 only tmr

[muted abyss]

yep

not a smiling friend, that's for sure

[wary spire]

[muted abyss]

https://tenor.com/bNqDd.gif

[wary spire]

I liked it better as a smiley, it gave me comfort.

Nothing brings comfort anymore.

[jolly sierra]

i use a logitech g203

peak gaming

[waxen meteor]

With that said, do you recommend to do this?

[halcyon timber]

Im no assassination rogue but it seemed solid on ptr . Blindside procced a lot .

[muted abyss]

tiny toxic blade does like 50k damage

[waxen meteor]

yeah but no cost ambush can be good as well

[muted abyss]

yeah, that's what I'm saying ttb isn't worth it imo

you don't use it for damage, but as a damage buff

all it needs is the additional charges and the nature/bleed/MS buff

[wary spire]

Give up bonespike, embrace the melee.

[finite root]

Question getting back in the game, with stun nerfs can flags still be capped or is it alot more work

[waxen meteor]

Tricks of the trade becomes baseline skill for all specs right?

[muted abyss]

no

you still have to talent it

[waxen meteor]

oh no, choose one from blackjack or this

[muted abyss]

it's either that or blackjack at least for sin

[stoic spruce]

Yall choose tricks of the trade?

[muted abyss]

nope

[waxen meteor]

No

[stoic spruce]

I was about to say >.>

[waxen meteor]

I thought it became a baseline skill by mistake

[stoic spruce]

Some goofy stuff going on

[waxen meteor]

Now with s2 tier set gone, do we still have any reason to not use symbol and dance together? (save a keybind question)

[pale storm]

Blizz Twitter: Current maintenance has been extended until 4:00 PM (PST). We apologize for any disruption and hope to restore service quickly.

[waxen meteor]

well we expected it

never on time

[jolly sierra]

shadenox doubted a little

for the blindside position

[halcyon timber]

Nope they hard tuned all old sets and honor gear is far better

[waxen meteor]

ok saved one key

it will go to bite

[worthy crag]

first cheap shot off dance is free so youll want to use sod after that to maximize energy efficiency

[waxen meteor]

In theory ->
When we have 7 CPs and Vein

Kidney + Duel + ~~Orc ~~+ Trinket + Shadow Blade
Dance (2 CP returned + First dance 4 CP)
Evis
SS + Bite
CB + ST

Seems a solid burst with 492529239 stacks of Danse

[waxen meteor]

I am not sure if I will pick that talent atm

[worthy crag]

Its in the first row

part of the mandatory 8

[waxen meteor]

ha?

[worthy crag]

unless you rather take some aoe talebt

[waxen meteor]

Well sort of

Not sure if the 5% heal on finishers or 10% shield is solid

but it looks not too bad

[worthy crag]

Im taking 25 sec sod talent which means i take the cheap talent

30 sec sod is too long without 2p

[wary spire]

I saw it

[waxen meteor]

I think I am more going to right side with dup rupture

[stoic spruce]

What's that first talent

[surreal barn]

Fuck

Forgot to copy all my macros over from the ptr

Is it still up

[halcyon timber]

I think so

Was last night

[waxen meteor]

Are there some good rogue pvp people on twitch

doing the 4 hours watching on background but got nothing to watch

[worthy crag]

are servs up?

[waxen meteor]

no

[worthy crag]

oof

Was there a 2nd extension?

[waxen meteor]

will just play the twitch on background but want to contribute for rogue twicher

over a random big boob girll

[vocal surge]

[waxen meteor]

I mean what you gonna pick?

seems clear lol

[lucid citrus]

Yeah till 5pm

[inner tartan]

whats a outlaw pvp built

[worthy crag]

[muted abyss]

patch isn't even out yet lol

[halcyon timber]

That’s good , they are making sure its smooth

[muted abyss]

like chunky peanutbutter

[halcyon timber]

That’s cool man

[vocal surge]

Crackshot go brrr

[halcyon timber]

Crackshot is filthy af

[vocal surge]

once I get home from college

[inner tartan]

so true

[waxen meteor]

It's fine, not expecting too much today

[halcyon timber]

Yeah just passed my midterm

[vocal surge]

Crackshot at least takes skill to pull off and to counter

[inner tartan]

no

[worthy crag]

Dark brew without duplicating rupture: bad meme?

[vocal surge]

If people too brain dead to deny outlaw the crackshot window

then Outlaw pops offf

[halcyon timber]

Good talk bud

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/alucard-gif-21538658

[worthy crag]

most of the playerbase dont know what outlaw even does

whats crackshot

[halcyon timber]

Bte has no cd and with ace resets (happen frequently) do some nice damage as it provides a dispatch on top of it

Through stealth / dance mind you

[inner tartan]

a op talent

[halcyon timber]

Subterfuge as well

[worthy crag]

whats an ace reset? Lmao

[inner tartan]

reset combo points

[vocal surge]

Ace Up Your Sleeve

[halcyon timber]

Oh ace up your sleeve gives a chance yeah to reset

[vocal surge]

Its 2 talent synergy

[halcyon timber]

Pretty sick

[vocal surge]

but its rng

[inner tartan]

outlaw is rng lmfaoo nothing new

[vocal surge]

you can luck out and draw 8 Between the Eyes

[halcyon timber]

35% chance at 7 cb pts

[worthy crag]

So BTE for every finisher during dance and subter?

[vocal surge]

or no Ace proc for 5 casts

ye

[worthy crag]

sounds like dismantle

[vocal surge]

fish out Ruthless Precision before each window

[sharp pumice]

Pretty sure if you hit anyone between the eyes with even a really shit pistol you'd blow their head clean off

[halcyon timber]

XD yeh

[vocal surge]

for the Improved BTE bonus

which is 400% crit damage

[halcyon timber]

Dense mongo skulls dont break

[vocal surge]

300% or 400%

[sharp pumice]

That's true, wow players are a different breed

[vocal surge]

forgot which value it is

[halcyon timber]

400%

Yeah freakin sometimes i got 5-6 aces

[vocal surge]

did you test vs Warlock

[halcyon timber]

Was fun

[vocal surge]

?

or Warriors

[halcyon timber]

Locks are rough

They increased lock armor 90% i believe

[vocal surge]

bruh

[waxen meteor]

90%?

[halcyon timber]

Yeh

[waxen meteor]

clothes where

[halcyon timber]

Some dude was gloating on ptr about it

[vocal surge]

They were super hard to kill in the PTR during the 1st pvp test

[halcyon timber]

Yeah was uncool man

[vocal surge]

it takes all of your CDs to blow through the warlock defenses

as reworked Outlaw

w. god rng on Ace procs

[halcyon timber]

Thing is rogues already were tuned down a lot on ptr

[vocal surge]

including defensives + elusiveness feint and vial

[waxen meteor]

[halcyon timber]

Aug hits unnaturally hard on ptr

Same w shaman

Can’t come after us when others hit harder

[vocal surge]

btw did Evasion get tuned?

cdr wise

[halcyon timber]

No notes or testing changes afaik

[vocal surge]

oh boy

[sharp pumice]

Just vanish when blizzard starts casting nerfbat, it takes them like 6 weeks to react anyway

[vocal surge]

remember what I said about Evasion early in the PTR?

[halcyon timber]

Still .5 or whatever

Yeah I remember when we tested

[vocal surge]

[halcyon timber]

Was rough waters

[sharp pumice]

So what's the dominant spec at first blush here

[vocal surge]

prob Sub

[halcyon timber]

Go go stun bot rangerssss!!!! Beowww deowww dow dowew nuhhhh

[sharp pumice]

Mast/vers sub still?

[waxen meteor]

What I saw here and there seems to be

Aug/Lock all specs/Sub/Elemental

[halcyon timber]

/shrug its up in the air

[vocal surge]

Sub through the nerfs is atleast going to be viable

[sharp pumice]

Aug rogue may be interesting

[waxen meteor]

@halcyon timber How is the shield and 5% healing talent on sub

[halcyon timber]

They fixed the double dipping we were doing so that was another hit to things (good thing, not a complaint)

Shield is fine , affected by dampening

EE talent is like 12k healing w/o ms

Its a small bonus, nothing crazy

[waxen meteor]

So potentially better to go left side for free cheap shot over that?

[halcyon timber]

Id think assassinations kit actually heals the most based off passive income of multiple dots

I think playstyle preference

I liked either or

Outlaw can be crazy fast which was cool at least

Feint was up very very often as outlaw and the 5% pistol shot dr was sick

Still think as many outlaws have suggested that they should get help w fighting plate

Locks are a pain for any melee on ptr though honestly

[vocal surge]

their armor value and damage reduction exceeds plate wearers

[halcyon timber]

Agreeed

[vocal surge]

very little effort to play em

[waxen meteor]

OK caster alt determined

[halcyon timber]

Warrior prey on the weak will be a problem

[waxen meteor]

Affli seems to be a bit lower compared to demo/destro?

[halcyon timber]

Affliction is rough on ptr

Bastards from hell

[waxen meteor]

rough for them or for us lol

[halcyon timber]

If they defend well they are a pain

The armor increase is noticeable

Port cdr was annoying

Then they buff warrior in response to lock nerfs

Then locks get buffed again

XD

[waxen meteor]

Aug: Support what?

[halcyon timber]

Aug has seen a lot of changes but can easily 60% something

[waxen meteor]

Aug seems to be actually only a buff machine at pve

[halcyon timber]

Dev godzilla breath hits unreasonably hard on ptr

[waxen meteor]

maybe that's why they are not nerfed for pvp

yet

[halcyon timber]

Holy paladin can do some pretty sneaky damage too

Discipline hopefully is better (seemed to be)

From testing w friends / random jokers

[muted abyss]

delayed again

[jolly sierra]

tf happened now

[halcyon timber]

Gotta let the chilli sit, the pot is almost ready

[wintry dew]

i saw a message gettin deleted

[jolly bear]

so are we keeping the two set?

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/noah-i-saw-it-ive-seen-it-i-seen-it-i-witnessed-it-gif-25837667

[jolly bear]

until conq chest/legs

[muted abyss]

https://tenor.com/oY33.gif

[halcyon timber]

Honor gear is way higher and old set was tuned down on ptr so nope. No goofy stuff

Better off spending honor you saved up

[muted abyss]

yup, next week

[jolly bear]

so we just ditch it and macro in symbols with SD again?

[halcyon timber]

I don’t macro abilities together but you can if you really want to

[jolly bear]

or are we staying on rotten builds without 2 set

[halcyon timber]

Any build felt solid comparing to either side or mix and matching

[jolly bear]

I don’t know if it’s better to go dark brew or rotten or dark brew except you take flag instead

oh okay so it’s preference right now

[halcyon timber]

Experiment and see what you prefer

Yes it was really tight in tuning

They did a great job

[jolly bear]

actually I am glad about that

[halcyon timber]

Me too

[jolly bear]

I always preferred dark brew

[halcyon timber]

Seriously

[sharp pumice]

weren't the servers supposed to be up like 2 hours ago

the fuck is going on

[halcyon timber]

Yep

Chilli is still cooking that’s what happened

[jolly bear]

oof 😔

[halcyon timber]

Its ok

Nbd

[sharp pumice]

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[halcyon timber]

XD

[jolly bear]

GO TOUCH MORE GRASS

[sharp pumice]

I've been outside working all day

I want to video games

[halcyon timber]

“I want 2 days of game time because i took today off “ wowhead comments from patch release in 10.1

[sharp pumice]

gibe

[jolly bear]

I said what I said

[jolly bear]

anyone who genuinely wants this is delulu

[sharp pumice]

eh, if the servers shit the bed unexpectedly it's not exactly unreasonable to request money back/gametime

[halcyon timber]

Yeah they need more activity time

[jolly bear]

they need to time it better though

[tribal badger]

anyone who takes the day off on patch day instead of the day after patch day

[halcyon timber]

Bugs happen

[tribal badger]

must be very very new to this game

[jolly bear]

if they know they always extend it why not start earlier?

[halcyon timber]

Like the df airships on release

Devs logged on and kept resetting stuff . It happens

Gw2 had big bugs constantly. It happens

[jolly bear]

dude if they didn’t fix the renown bug with boosting from War Within I’m gonna be hella tilted

[halcyon timber]

Ffxiv raids jacked up all the time when i played that back in the day. Was a cool raid against diablo

We fell through the floor a lot on jenova server

They had to take the raid down for a few hours

[jolly bear]

I fall through the floor in Antorus now

[halcyon timber]

XS

[sharp pumice]

FFXIV has the best goddamned soundtrack for bosses

[halcyon timber]

Yeah ffxiv is cool

[jolly bear]

not my cup of tea

it’s cool but not for me

[halcyon timber]

Pvp neutering was enough to push me away

[sharp pumice]

gcd was too slow and it drove me nuts

[jolly bear]

lmfao try RS3

[sharp pumice]

what's rs3

[halcyon timber]

Gcd was like 2.6 sec

[sharp pumice]

Run Escape?

[jolly bear]

BRO WHAT

2.6???

[sharp pumice]

yeah that's painful

[jolly bear]

no shot

[halcyon timber]

Yeah before skill speed materia and they slowed that down

Too

[sharp pumice]

I think agi classes in WoW have too slow GCDs

with how insane the amount of shit is

[jolly bear]

runescape 3

[sharp pumice]

30 abilities, 20 debuffs, still a slow ass gcd

[halcyon timber]

We aren’t allowed to go lower but i forget the reason

But it kinda made sense when they said it

[jolly bear]

isn’t the gcd 1 second?

or is that rogues only

[halcyon timber]

I think its a little higher

[sharp pumice]

feral rogue and.... uhhh

think that's it

[halcyon timber]

But we can’t go below 1 sec

[jolly bear]

I just know when I have low haste on my FDK I always think I’m lagging

[halcyon timber]

XD

[tribal badger]

gcd base is 1.5s and reduces with haste

energy specs base gcd is always 1.0s

doesnt get reduced by haste

outlaw is the only one that can

[halcyon timber]

Yeh

[tribal badger]

AR reduces it to 0.8s

[jolly bear]

oh okay makes sense yup

[tribal badger]

so energy specs have the fastest gcds baseline but normal specs can get faster if they get enough haste

[halcyon timber]

Yeh that was the reason

[tribal badger]

basically no spec has faster then outlaw

[halcyon timber]

Makes sense

[jolly bear]

are we able to log in now

[tribal badger]

0.75 is the floor for a non energy spec and it takes 100% haste to reach that

[halcyon timber]

Nope 9pm amigo

[tribal badger]

which basically no specs reach in pvp

[halcyon timber]

Est

[tribal badger]

maybe enhance with pi

[jolly bear]

WHAT

LOL

[halcyon timber]

Rumble looks fun

[muted abyss]

lol, they are delaying patch until tomorrow

[muted abyss]

It's just a clash of clans type game with a warcraft skin, kinda garbage actually

[halcyon timber]

Haven’t played hearthstone in a while though

Oh dang

[muted abyss]

made by king, so it's normal cash grab mobile game bullshit

[jolly bear]

what…

[halcyon timber]

Dunno i like wow stuff , good to play while taking a spooky dooky

[tribal badger]

thats not a thing yet, its still scheduled for an hour from now

[halcyon timber]

XD

[muted abyss]

they can't just keep the employees there until it's finished, they have to get off work

[stoic spruce]

Very fun

[tribal badger]

but at this rate

[jolly bear]

I guess, but it’s only 5 pm

[halcyon timber]

In ffxiv during stormblood we were on servers and no one could do msq so they took the game down for another day

[halcyon timber]

Looked cool, id play it

Something different to do /shrug

[stoic spruce]

I don't get why blizz is getting hate for it

[halcyon timber]

Always will no matter what man

[stoic spruce]

WoW players when a game studio develops a game

[halcyon timber]

I don’t like mayo so i leave it off my food.

Ask for mustard instead/shrug

Nbd

[halcyon timber]

Warlock buffs happen and everyone else’s face is this

[jolly bear]

would they actually just not update the game until tomorrow and go through another maintenance day? like what is there to even do the season cutoff was last night

[halcyon timber]

Do anything else in the mean time

[jolly bear]

there’s no reason to log in

[stoic spruce]

Nah

This isn't new

[halcyon timber]

They are, just stuff happens

Not a big deal

[muted abyss]

multi dollar game company lol

[jolly bear]

yeah I was just really looking forward to starting my second season of pvp and trying out all the new talents

[stoic spruce]

That's on the 14th

[halcyon timber]

You will my man, hang tight 🙂

[stoic spruce]

You're waiting for off-season

[jolly bear]

feels like I’m chasing a dollar attached to the fishing reel lol

[halcyon timber]

Nah just off season like popo said

[jolly bear]

well for me it’s still time to practice

[halcyon timber]

Got a whole week to test and adapt to new stabby stuff

[jolly bear]

it’s just a week

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[halcyon timber]

I dig the ambition

Don’t lose that

[stoic spruce]

The biggest waste of time but yeah

[jolly bear]

lol I know but people gotta adapt and some are a bit older and slower. or younger and slower like me because I don’t understand wtf the stored Shadow Technique combo points are for 🥰

[halcyon timber]

Meh downtime is good

Necessary sometimes

Stored points are somi

Solid*

So you hit a generator and it adds the stored points. Ex: backstab gives 3 pts if 2 are stored

Simple and far better than the tom foolery we had

[muted abyss]

Y'all don't remember WoD launch

it was like 2am before servers came up lol

[jolly bear]

yeah but how are they consumed and stored?

[halcyon timber]

What do you mean?

You just get a buff that says x pts stored

“Shadow techniques 3 pts stored”

As an example

[jolly bear]

yeah then how do you use and store them

[halcyon timber]

Its smooth

You hit a generator of your choice and it consumes the stacks

[jolly bear]

OH

[halcyon timber]

During blades you do not consume them and it helps smooth stuff out. You can plan easily and adapt off that

Instead of the silly thing we had before

[jolly bear]

so you get the buff, then whatever is stored you use a generator and then you gain the base + stored

[halcyon timber]

Shadowcraft extends it and allows finishers to consume them during symbols uptime which is a new fave talent of mine

Yes sir

Exactly

[stoic spruce]

can we have a moment of silnce for Find Weakness and Dreadblades?

may they rest in peace

https://tenor.com/view/2omb-pray-prayge-gif-24836268

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i think they might return at some point but in a diff way

Crackshot and ace really felt satisfying on ptr

[jolly bear]

what

[halcyon timber]

So symbols allows for finishers to consume stored points to fill what you need.
Ex: rupture with 3 pts stored will provide 3 pts

Its a good talent but isn’t nuts or anything

Plenty of competitive options

Requires planning and thinking ahead but isn’t hard to do so

[jolly bear]

so you dont need to use a generator to use them during symbols? you have 3 cp and 3 stored and you can use rupture as 6?

[halcyon timber]

Nope

If i have 2 stored and symbols is up and I rupture —> gives me 2 points

[jolly bear]

so you don’t need cp to use rupture during symbols, it instead gives cp?

[languid sleet]

Sub or Sin for PVP?

[jolly bear]

if it’s stored

[halcyon timber]

Nope

You need to have pts to rupture

And you need to have ST stacks and symbols active

[jolly bear]

I feel like I’m stupid lol so 6 cp rupture + 2 stored will consume those 6 and give you 2 after

[halcyon timber]

Yes sir

[jolly bear]

during symbols

[halcyon timber]

Yes sir exactly

[jolly bear]

oh that does sound good

[halcyon timber]

Don’t be hard on yourself though

[jolly bear]

yeah that whole thing was confusing to me

[halcyon timber]

You had it all along man