imagine the fucker w that fucking 500+ ilvl wep attacking everything
#pvp
jolly sierra
tribal badger
mhm
jolly sierra
jolly sierra
dunno but his mum eats small balls
sharp pumice
really strange way to say you banged his mom, but
jolly sierra
still recall how we were looking in RBG group finder for ppl w smol pp
and always appeared good ppl w that criteria
worthy crag
uno mas week
tribal badger
bro thank god dk doesnt need a weapon enchant
im down so bad
had to buy like 9 sophics this season
jolly sierra
lucky u
i screwed some shit w enchants tho
when shadowflame was a thing
well got back something w AH
dracothysts are selling well
jolly sierra
yeah lol
lucid citrus
You guys buying Sophia devotions now for next season?
barren swan
Anyone know if Exang is good dmg if you're just trying to pump as much dmg in one go as possible?
into a guardian druid fc specifically. It seems kinda meh but so does the Master Assassin talent next to it that you would have to take instead.
lone goblet
It's not good, but it does help a little bit for burst.
I think it is nerfed in pvp, but don't remember exactly how much.
jolly sierra
You guys buying Sophia devotions now for next season?
think so, dunno how will be the new enchant
and sophic is the safest bet
have u decided already ur embellishments? i did
lucid citrus
Yeahh I’ll probably buy like 10
wary spire
into a guardian druid fc specifically. It seems kinda meh but so does the Master...
Master assassin works with dance.
lucid citrus
Embellishments kinda hard to figure out right now with those nerfs on some
tribal badger
sporecloak got even better
jolly sierra
yeah but imo
tribal badger
and boots
jolly sierra
the safest ones overall
tribal badger
seems simple enough
jolly sierra
are those 2
according to what i researched
they left that stuff both intact or better
tribal badger
sporecloak got a dps value added to it and the boots dodged the big nerfs that hit most didnt they
quaint cedar
I thought sporecloak was nerfed next season?
tribal badger
less absorb but it gives vers now
so it actually gives u dps
instead of being an only defensive embell
quaint cedar
ohhh interesting
How does the vers work? Is it a proc?
Like same proc as the absorb?
Oh nvm I found it
That's pretty nice
I'm guessing we'll all want to run sporecloak and infurious boots then
tribal badger
ye thats my plan
quaint cedar
I guess I should craft sporecloak ahead of time then
hidden moth
im running the cloak
quaint cedar
I don't have one yet
hidden moth
its very good
quaint cedar
Would be good to have a 450 ilvl one to start with probably
Unless honor gear is way far ahead
I don't actually know what ilvl honor gear is next season
jolly sierra
i have my raider friend's guild gm who is willing to upgrade it for me
should be good af
will chests be useable for s3 if they are looted in s2?
rlly wanna know cuz can get the quest voucher like that
jolly sierra
wary spire
Sus
waxen meteor
Man the queues are long
I don't know if i can make my war to 1800 by end of season anymore
jolly sierra
i got fucked w the rog
by a mage called haarrypotter
did a 6-0
and instakilled my comps
barren swan
Master assassin works with dance.
yeah but I don't think the dance builds are all that good, right? I see most high-end assa rogues running tea and kyrian for the bottom perks of the left tree
waxen meteor
yeah but I don't think the dance builds are all that good, right? I see most hig...
I thought most dance assa rogue is referring to s3
barren swan
I thought most dance assa rogue is referring to s3
oh maybe that's what he meant by it. yeah im asking about s2 still.
barren swan
yeah. makes the MA talents seem pretty weak so why not take Exang, kinda thing. idk
waxen meteor
Yes it's weak
barren swan
but everyone runs it so idk haha
waxen meteor
I think it's better to take exsan this season
it's just a passing talent, you take master assassin or exsan to reach the iron wire
wary spire
Current exang sucks.
waxen meteor
that makes all bleed enabled at that moment to bleed faster
barren swan
but its current Exang better than the pretty useless MA talent
waxen meteor
I think so
wary spire
By design. Currently it's literally a placeholder for "we'll fix it later".
waxen meteor
I don't think it's that bad tbh
but as a 3min Cd skill
lol
hardly any 3min skill is worse in wow
barren swan
So if I have like 6 seconds of rupture left and use Exang, is it wasted on that 6 second rupture only?
waxen meteor
but in bomb or suitable places, it's not bad
waxen meteor
So if I have like 6 seconds of rupture left and use Exang, is it wasted on that ...
Yes
Well it's not really 'wasted' but close
wary spire
but as a 3min Cd skill
That makes it a pretty much once or twice a fight. Same as ma.
waxen meteor
well in theory, all dots dmg are bigger than instant dmg
because it takes time
bleeding faster is sort of making it instant
barren swan
so you need to use it immediately after a full rupture + garrote to get the full dps value?
exotic dove
The problem with exang is it breaks stealth like the tier set so it kills its viability in 3s and shuffle due to Assa squishy state
imo
wary spire
The problem with exang is it breaks stealth like the tier set so it kills its vi...
They're talking about current one.
exotic dove
oh
wary spire
I was also confused lol.
barren swan
yeah still on s2 here haha
exotic dove
my bad lol
barren swan
gotta get those last minute optimizations in this weekend ya know
exotic dove
I hear that
barren swan
im just trying to come up with the best assa build to absolutely blow up a guardian druid (on an fc map) and wondering if Exang should be part of that build
exotic dove
yeah but I don't think the dance builds are all that good, right? I see most hig...
You are correct about this most including myself dont run dance and go for the other options. Might stay that way next season as well
wary spire
We don't need to take a bunch of useless crap to get it now. So I would imagine we do take it for silence/stun on demand a tad more healing and ma.
But I still kinda feel that it should've stayed sub only. 
exotic dove
Same
nova viper
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quaint cedar
nah from what I hear its looking quite strong in 10.2
I'm not a sub player though so can't confirm personally
wary spire
It'll probs get nerfed.
tribal badger
at 1590 rating
2200 mmr
i just want queues so i can finish this
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
30 minute queue
worthy crag
huh so all this time I was using the ring mastery buff instead of undulating spores on cloak
jolly sierra
the cloak just was added for s2
worthy crag
I see i see
Probably a hot take but season 3's green drake looks so much better than season 1 and 2 mounts
Kinda excited
fast cargo
I like the green one, there’s not a lot of cool green dragons in game
jolly sierra
the red dragon from s1
was disgustingly well designed
lemme see the s3 one
dude another ferret really
worthy crag
ive never been a fan of the drake mounts
I like the slimmer version of season 2~3
reminds me of the mop serpents
idk, having a spike inserted at a 3 inch interval all over the body doesnt seem very original
waxen meteor
dude another ferret really
why do i feel it so ugly..
I can't win noob lobby with warrior
jolly sierra
<:poggers:652288776021999626> why do i feel it so ugly..
me warrior
waxen meteor
Marksman is just too good against noobs
jolly sierra
ive never been a fan of the drake mounts
happens the opposite w me
i rlly like drake mounts
jolly sierra
MM hunt is the supreme noob cleaner spec
waxen meteor
they die everytime by a marksman combo
i used intervene and hp bonus
couldn't do anything more
disarm CD
I just realized arm warrior doesn't have a hard immune skill for survival
like i have F on keyboard for vanish/bubble/nether walk/black ball (SP)/Turtle/Block etc.
Couldn't find one for Arm
worthy crag
/reload
and the next time you load in, youll be at the gates again for next round
technically you never witnessed your own death
one could say that is survival
waxen meteor
worthy crag
either that or just lump up parry and reflect
waxen meteor
kinda funny, I don't like playing all last 3 classes i made lv70
lock/voker/war
looks like i picked classes i love correctly at beginning!
i sort of enjoyed the characters before lock/voker/war
jolly sierra
looks like i picked classes i love correctly at beginning!
glad for u lol
sharp pumice
Been a war/rogue since pretty much classic
warlock used to be fun but in the current meta I don't find it fun
it's powerful
just AIDS to play
jolly sierra
1752 now warrior
yeah warr is easy
i did it being bad af for first time in end time from former season
u can
else u can ask me for fast tips
floral crest
So far boom has been easier lol… boom > arms > assas > enhance > disc > mm for me so far
jolly sierra
was MM that hard? wtf
torn stump
I have an idea: Assa need a pvp talent about "dot will not break sap, gouge, blind". how do you feel?
sharp pumice
Lol, that might be slightly busted
Given how much dot damage we can actually load up
minor cape
I have an idea: Assa need a pvp talent about "dot will not break sap, gouge, bli...
this is fucked
i get the idea
so that it doesn't break your control
but imagine deathmark bleeding while standing in blind cheap sap sap
😩
shut viper
I have an idea: Assa need a pvp talent about "dot will not break sap, gouge, bli...
Isn’t blind stoping rouge dots?
The only way that could be is removing dots, it can’t make you sit sapped/blinded and take damage
Assa is already easy to play, you want it to be another fury/havoc?
hidden mirage
I have an idea: Assa need a pvp talent about "dot will not break sap, gouge, bli...
Assa doesnt need more pvp talents, we already have mandatory ones to pick every game. What assa actually needs is more defensives, and dispel protection for Deathmark, or atleast backlash effect from dispelling it, like doing the remaining damage instantly.
torn stump
but imagine deathmark bleeding while standing in blind cheap sap sap
maybe just "dot will not break gouge, blind". I know what you mean, if sap can work too OP.
hidden mirage
We had that talent in the past, it was called Dirty Tricks, and removed during Legion i think.
torn stump
gouge and blind have cd, I think it is ok.
torn stump
We had that talent in the past, it was called Dirty Tricks, and removed during L...
really?
torn stump
oh, that's cool
maybe 1v1 op, but muti-play not op.
I think maybe it will come back in the future, but just assa's talent.
but cant -en cost.
wary spire
I have an idea: Assa need a pvp talent about "dot will not break sap, gouge, bli...
I like it, sounds fun. 
minor cape
you know what would be fun - if eviscerate did 400k shadow damage
Mud would agree!!
wary spire
I think sub had 400k evises, no? 
Like "stars align, all multiplyers including dagger in the dark".
torn stump
which spec is the best do you think in arena 3v3 at 10.2?
wary spire
If nothing gets horribly overtuned I think it's sub.
surreal barn
I miss that deadly throw
wary spire
You get your bonespike and you like it.
floral crest
was MM that hard? wtf
No it wasn’t, I just only played like 1 day and not full geared at the time truly. But boom I did within 5 hours of hitting 70 lol
floral crest
Yea learning how to kite an strap as hunt is a new experience….
I can be in the thick of it as druid cc’ing and doing all the dmg… but hunter I go blind lol
lone goblet
Dream of getting duelist being dashed, ugh.
climbed up to 2050, then had a bunch of 4-2. 2-4 alternations never quite getting to 2100
and now disaster
floral crest
Few days!
waxen meteor
Dream of getting duelist being dashed, ugh.
Don't worry, there are still a few days, you can get it!
Just relax and you will make it!
Don't let nervous kick in
hidden mirage
I miss that deadly throw
I miss MoP rogue
surreal barn
I miss MoP rogue
I member
floral crest
Nope anotehr 1-5, Im fucked
Ouch
jolly sierra
No it wasn’t, I just only played like 1 day and not full geared at the time trul...
ahhh gotcha
halcyon timber
I have an idea: Assa need a pvp talent about "dot will not break sap, gouge, bli...
That was a glyph in wotlk and was too strong. Us Subtlety rogues had a lesser version tied into sanguinary vein in cataclysm and that was removed as well lucky my man. That aint going to fly again. Same with all our old toys like deadly throw.
torn stump
yea, they have already told me.
halcyon timber
Yeah wasnt around for wod but that is cool that returned as a talent.
halcyon timber
yea, they have already told me.
Yeah sucks man but good thinking anyway. Have to see how the chips fall now I guess.
torn stump
Yeah sucks man but good thinking anyway. Have to see how the chips fall now I gu...
what about just group will not break?
just "group will not break" and this effect add to some talent.
halcyon timber
I hear what you’re saying but they probably won’t ever strengthen rogue cc again
Ex: blind sap as our bread n butter
I agree though but for the health of people’s monitors and their poor sleeping habits that are somehow a rogue’s problem.. they prob won’t bring anything cool like that back
torn stump
I think just group can work is ok, not to much op.
halcyon timber
Dunno f the group in all honesty
Rogues supporting others is dumb. Being a stun bot for w key classes when we get tuned isnt cool or fun
Assassins just need to crank and they have to stop with listening to neanderthals of other classes.
torn stump
maybe 10.2 open, then Assa pvp very bad, and it can realize🎉
halcyon timber
I wouldn’t wish anything like that. Just needs to be solid and people have to stop belly aching about rogues doing rogue stuff. People don’t blink when a shaman tab targets people but its illegal when rogue does stuff.
Ret paladins galloping by and casually slam people with hammers all damn match. Warriors unga bunga and turn people to spaghetti. Pajama wearing harry potter classes light people up all day but no stun bot status for rogues.
torn stump
really hope "your gouge no longer break from damage dealt by your dot effects."
jolly sierra
if u are like that just go pandaren and u have a gouge which doesnt break w dots
waxen meteor
Panda OP
torn stump
Pandas one doesn't break with dots?..
they send a pic before, it is real.
jolly sierra
panda gouge is like blind
so u wont bother about ur friendly aff lock dots breaking ur stuff
lol
jolly sierra
im not the only one it seems
thick slate
climbed up to 2050, then had a bunch of 4-2. 2-4 alternations never quite gettin...
you can definitely do it my guy. You can even do it tonight if you get a couple of good lobbies
i jumped from 2.1 to 2.4 in 2 days
4-2, 3-3 were my games
havent went 5-1 or 6-0
3-3 stabilizes your mmr while 4-2 gives you a small push
waxen meteor
Most of my alts reached 2100 by a 60 or 51
but i know for sure i can reach there regardless though
jolly sierra
im ok with just pushing duelist once in a season tbh
after that everything turns chill
wow oficially available for xbox KEK
waxen meteor
i wasn't planning to get duelists for alts, but just doing some weeklies and after a couple of weeks, found they were all close lol
waxen meteor
i was like just casually playing for fun
jolly sierra
i do SS w rog but coincidentally
waxen meteor
espeically i think there were 2 weeks straight there were solo weekly mission
jolly sierra
just get zugzug matches now
waxen meteor
after finishing them i found all alts are 1900-2000 ish lol
jolly sierra
lol
well, i recall u had a bad moment and just come back recently
so its crazy af u had that kind of progress after all that time
congratz
waxen meteor
yeah now just a causual player
exploring other classes for fun
losing or winning doesn't bother me much
glass bear
jolly sierra
when the devoker uses dragonrage and has not ppl training it
waxen meteor
ok 60 51 warrior done
jolly sierra
wut
waxen meteor
5-1 kicked me to 1890
but i am not going to try more for warrior
no gem no weapon all 1 star encha
just unlocking set is fine
also with a crit ring
sharp pumice
Do we not run haste crit as arms
waxen meteor
think it's haste and mastery
but i know nothing, i went to pvp leaderboard, copy and paste
only classes that attracts me more i will investigate and learn more
i sort of want to play a few more rounds for enough conquest to buy a weapon
but with 3 days value lol
jolly sierra
versa>haste>mastery
waxen meteor
i think i am dumb
jolly sierra
i recall
waxen meteor
blue weapon just makes me so annoyed
like going to sunwell with 5 people dungeon weapon
jolly sierra
yeah, that is the reason i go for wep at 1st w conquest
its extremely noticeable in MH
sharp pumice
people are running haste then seemingly mastery secondary, I retract my opinion, I was wrong
waxen meteor
Yeah I see most top arm warrior have high haste and mastery
I think with crit dmg nerf probably no spec wants crit in pvp
Could be a couple of specs still
But should be rare
sharp pumice
kinda thought it'd be okay as a warrior because of rage gen
but maybe that isn't an issue now
jolly sierra
yo guys
go w ur plate alts to fyrakk in next season
and get the fkn axe
will be like a fkn shadowmourne
waxen meteor
I will go with my ret!
sharp pumice
it'll probably be lame in pvp or completely nerfed out in pvp
jolly sierra
it'll probably be lame in pvp or completely nerfed out in pvp
the thing which matters
is the ilvl
if is more than 510
then its over
waxen meteor
Well as a orange weapon I think it’s okay
jolly sierra
im 100% sure
waxen meteor
Will collect it regardless
vocal latch
how are u managing to keep ure sanity playing sub rogue in shuffle?
jolly sierra
the item will be both crit haste or crit versa
jolly sierra
how are u managing to keep ure sanity playing sub rogue in shuffle?
i don't, i go assa
vocal latch
is it the only solution?
wary spire
Embrace the poison's ZUG.
vocal latch
urg, i didnt pass to that side ever
im not desperate enough yet
but aint missing much
vocal latch
Start with 2100 mmr or keep your mental health first
i started again a month ago and saw the mode. am at 2k mmr atm but its still impossible to start a game with a sap, stun the kill target, having a blind lasting more then 2 sec
waxen meteor
It’s kinda funny the other day I saw DH discord complaining about being deleted by sub, I think he is a quite high rating player. Other mods were like, yeah but as long as they suck so bad at solo, I can deal with that
waxen meteor
i started again a month ago and saw the mode. am at 2k mmr atm but its still imp...
Don’t worry that’s just a start
You will crash your keyboard soon when you can shadow deal and kidney to death a guy
Then someone throws a stun DR
vocal latch
Don’t worry that’s just a start
like, even more pallys and warriors chargin and leaping as soon as the gate opens?
waxen meteor
Then see you 15 seconds later
vocal latch
Then someone throws a stun DR
this..
sharp pumice
waxen meteor
That’s more often for me tbh
sharp pumice
nomination for best name combination ever submitted
waxen meteor
like, even more pallys and warriors chargin and leaping as soon as the gate open...
Warrior jump to other side at gate open is really dumb….
But I do see that every now and then..
jolly sierra
i started again a month ago and saw the mode. am at 2k mmr atm but its still imp...
the warrior running straight in mount and jumping to all 3 opponents behind pillar
vocal latch
the warrior running straight in mount and jumping to all 3 opponents behind pill...
isnt it like that every match? thought it was normally seeing whats happening
jolly sierra
it happens even in 1k9 matches
vocal latch
btw if u got tips against all those warriors im more than happy to hear em
jolly sierra
ah easy
waxen meteor
And most will learn their lesson after first instant death
vocal latch
Im at 2k mmr and it never changes
jolly sierra
if u are against
just run in sprint and step on the healer
if is in combat blind
if not sap
cuz the warr wont notice
the healer is in cc
vocal latch
nono not that, i mean. i find it hard keeping pressure against em (pallys too actually to a certain degree)
waxen meteor
I think the communication before gate open is kinda helpful in general
For solo
Talk about target and possible swap
Some people who can’t read or refuse to listen that’s fine
vocal latch
u all not getting insulted right away?
waxen meteor
But as long as they listen it helps a lot
I try to be nice regardlessly
Until I decide to be not nice
vocal latch
yeah mentality plays a big role. but i did like 15 shuffles up to now, they all rude af (exept a shamy, he was adorable)
waxen meteor
Sub is probably most cursed spec in solo
Stat sheet doesn’t look good
You either dominate or being hopeless with some noobs
I mean for sure great sub players can read teammates’ move and burst, then setup everything for them
jolly sierra
or got stomped by the same noobs cuz ur healers are low rated
in the high MMR match
waxen meteor
I am just lowbie that bacially know the positions of teammate and what they are doing in general
I can’t monitor their CD
vocal latch
I mean for sure great sub players can read teammates’ move and burst, then setup...
im still affected by tunnel vision at certain points, so thats holding me back a lot. but damn. the game chaged a lot in the last 3 years
so ill have to work on that. still cant believe eye beam cant be ccd
waxen meteor
im still affected by tunnel vision at certain points, so thats holding me back a...
I tried to get some people’s camera angle in arena
vocal latch
*interrupted sry
waxen meteor
But I never made it work
Or maybe it requires a 30inch 4K monitor I don’t know
I like some YouTubers playing view, like camera on the sky looking down and see everyone so clearly
vocal latch
Talking for myself, but i always played super far away. The problem i have is that as i dont know 1/2 the spells in game atm and all the talent interactions im often glued on nameplates/omnibar to understand wtf is happening or why something happened and i lose track of enemies with the camera
as soon as i get over that and widen my gameknowledge it gets smoother. ure brain has more time to adjust camera and so on
atleast for me
waxen meteor
Talking for myself, but i always played super far away. The problem i have is th...
Don’t worry I came back from Panda expansion I totally got you
That’s why I started many alts 
There are even new classes I never knew before
vocal latch
oh m8, tell me, u got some guides or something useful around explaining matchups for example? last time i played before coming back going in front of ogri and duelling was enough, but so few people are there atm dx
i miss duelling inbetween arenas to understand matchups
pale storm
Play skirmishes to practice
waxen meteor
No I got nothing. I figured out by myself with a long learning curve
pale storm
Dueling would be good, but yeahC hard to find people these days
waxen meteor
It’s kinda funny when I leveled my rogue I can’t even use shadow duel
vocal latch
Play skirmishes to practice
i tried, but i feel like its not the same thing
waxen meteor
Was most time just what the fuck is that
You have to use shadow duel on a player not some random monster on the street
vocal latch
i mean. at 1600-1800 its ultra forgiving, u can fuck up and they dont punish u for that. Rotations are more trown in by feeling. as soon as i went around 2k i hitted a wall in 2s for example where its like they are playing a complete different class
So its not just arena skirm or any duel i would love
but quality ones where i can ask what the hell they did and exchange feedback
waxen meteor
Do you at least have the addon that shows some key ‘debuff/buff’ near name plate?
vocal latch
++
waxen meteor
When I first came back it helped a bit
Sometimes even I don’t know what it does, at least I know it’s something to avoid
vocal latch
like warbreaker. as soon as i see that i go for the disarm now
or the go if dr allows it
but its those signs that im trying to learn and in arena its often hard as soo much is happening
jolly sierra
try using nameplatebuffs too
vocal latch
like monks. how do you understand when they are doing their mini bursts outside of serenity? fist of fury? strike of the wind lord?
jolly sierra
so u can track when they have some shit active
jolly sierra
like monks. how do you understand when they are doing their mini bursts outside ...
its skyreach
vocal latch
++ think ill add a wa for it
jolly sierra
sure thing
vocal latch
thanks!
vocal latch
yea seen it. quite off for me. im tracking a couple of procs on top middle atm
and will add it there too (like warbreaker)
for palas? whats the sign?
:p
jolly sierra
crusade has 231895 as ID
vocal latch
i got the big ones, its just the small goes that catch me off guard normally
wary spire
i track it above all in the screen
Is it "all bursts in one" wa?
jolly sierra
Is it "all bursts in one" wa?
nah, i look for them individually
track the icon and act according to what im watching
execution aura is 343527, track it as debuff
vocal latch
execution is such a big swing? didnt feel so much atm
vocal latch
just feel they hit really hard at some moments where i dont see any relevan animation/buff
jolly sierra
so careful
vocal latch
uff
jolly sierra
anything else u wanna know?
vocal latch
oh how much time u got? cuz i would have plenty
;p
like affli. i get destroes are scary whenever they start casting chaos bolt or the spam all 3 portals or when the big green demon comes down
but affli? what do u kick with them? is there a certain moment where u just say fuck, i get out?
vocal latch
what's the sign they start to go insane with the dmg?
waxen meteor
More about timing
vocal latch
apart from the 1 eyed demon
vocal latch
More about timing
?
jolly sierra
like affli. i get destroes are scary whenever they start casting chaos bolt or t...
i'll do exercise in some more time
but can tell u their cds
waxen meteor
I mean it's not too much about what to interrupt but when to interrupt , they have only one school of spell, so intreupting any will stop all others
waxen meteor
what's the sign they start to go insane with the dmg?
Here
but i remember affli lock has two builds
one has quite good burst
vocal latch
how do you respond to that?
jolly sierra
phantom?
vocal latch
jolly sierra
cloak of shadows
jolly sierra
second
try feinting for next patch
w rework u wlll have it double
but usually the best way to fuck an aff
is interrupting and training him hard
more than other stuff
vocal latch
found it hard to train him depending on the healer
like resto druid, i found myself sitting often in root with my healer killing himself trying to cleanse me
jolly sierra
ur healer or his healer?
vocal latch
his healer
as soon as i connect he ports, root dr drops, rinse and repeat
lets say that to connect more then 2 times a minute i would need to commit more cds then i would like to
jolly sierra
the fucking laptop hibernated
lool
look just shadow dance cheap shot healer and then kidney the aff
if the aff is overhealed w hots
then blind aff and go drood
switches are rdruid biggest counters alongside dots
assa has it easier cuz can perma pressure the rdruid
ret turned good in solo shuffle cuz can execution sentence the "kill target" druid will overheal him
then he just switch to druid and kills him cuz he didnt had time to heal himself
vocal latch
yeah i noticed around last week after countless war/rdruid
but with affli lets say he doesnt have a lot of hots
he just soul rips me during my dance
for 1 go, circles/gates 2nd
atleast with the circle they normally get to use unending resolve
3rd go they often have soul rip again
maybe ill try a gouge on him, step cheap/kidney healer and back on him
so he cant respond
jolly sierra
its basically a cd trade
but btw, arent u better going w a mage instead if u are playing sub?
that comp is staple
vocal latch
i did years ago before i stopped, but my pal is fixated with healers atm
so its not rly up to me. he got like 6 priests now, if i ask him to reroll he'll kill me
jolly sierra
guys here said outlaw will end a little crippled this season
they got mastery nerfed, find weakness removed alongside prey tho
and MFD, yeah, MFD was the biggest offender
waxen meteor
how do you respond to that?
Well I don't think you have to react to that, mostly just aovid exposed to other dmg source
and rely on healer or even healer's cd
i don't normally use cloak for that unless HP really gets low
vocal latch
and MFD, yeah, MFD was the biggest offender
are they removing mfd?
waxen meteor
yeah it's gone in 4 days
vocal latch
i don't normally use cloak for that unless HP really gets low
yeah would love to avoid getting low. would rather use it before getting low to avoid the dmg
vocal latch
enjoy it while u can
i checked 2 weeks ago for ptr and it was still up?
changed again it seems
shadow priest sub?
jolly sierra
i checked 2 weeks ago for ptr and it was still up?
its a bug tho
but they already confirmed it was removed
vocal latch
maybe got better chances convincing him abt that
jolly sierra
i had it when was announced too
waxen meteor
anyway i am excited to see how sin works out next week!
kinda werid without the mfd kidney
vocal latch
oh i got a last one that keeps me buffled. Survival Hunter
jolly sierra
i fucking hate surv hunters
vocal latch
Whats the sign? cuz they just open up with their dmg
jolly sierra
coordinated assault is called tho
vocal latch
y cant rly react to that
vocal latch
nah trying to understand what to look out for, but coordinated assault has a 20 sec uptime
jolly sierra
well, their biggest shit is coordinated
vocal latch
so disarming/ccing and peeling is the only way i can respond with an evasion if needed
vocal latch
so they double bomb?
jolly sierra
the problem with surv is their dmg is delayed and can kite a lot while they do dmg
waxen meteor
and movement speed very high
waxen meteor
i don't think cloak does too much for survival's dmg?
jolly sierra
its a very weird interaction
vocal latch
but u can remove the dots if talented into the pvp talent
waxen meteor
i mean for sub you normally don't take the pvp talent of cloak right?
vocal latch
u dont?
waxen meteor
for sub mostly not
vocal latch
i always do into monks for example
waxen meteor
unless it's 2s
vocal latch
its for 2s now
waxen meteor
yeah 2s probably good
vocal latch
i take it against assas too actually
waxen meteor
yeah
vocal latch
bandage?
jolly sierra
is because the fucking bastards dispells me the deathmark every 25s
yeah
also their dmg is mostly unavoidable
with the bomb
they will run a lot while they tosses the grenades and the pet hits u
compared to MM hunter
who i can disarm, dodge or just chase w steps
jolly sierra
mm hunter?
vocal latch
bomb after coordinated?
jolly sierra
ah
vocal latch
surv
vocal latch
so for talents you would go disarm/bomb/duel?
vocal latch
yeah seen it!
u never know
what are assas running agains lets say mm/resto
*surv/&resto
vocal latch
u dont have duel as assa right?
vocal latch
does it do the extra dmg too?
waxen meteor
we rarely use that build anymore in s2, but sub can have a stronger ruputre than assassin
jolly sierra
yeah
waxen meteor
solid tiks in duel
jolly sierra
ironically
in assa u can silence the healer in a go, then blind or kidney and u will have him controlled by a lot of time
vocal latch
u can even silence-blind-sap or not?
waxen meteor
Good question,, i actually never tried
jolly sierra
blind sap doesnt works anymore tho
waxen meteor
if healer does nothing under silence probably it would work
jolly sierra
or u can kidney, blind then dance sap
vocal latch
yeah but u can keep kidney in that case
combat lasts 6 sec
silence 3 sec
blind 5
u are super into it
jolly sierra
in assa kidney can be used without issues w healer
vocal latch
with a sap
jolly sierra
when i land something and can cc perfectly
(almost never happens cuz zug zug comps spamming crappy ccs)
i can kidney healer
then blind
then i shadowstep and do a panda racial gouge
vocal latch
ive been using gouge
jolly sierra
if it lands its usually 6+5+4
vocal latch
just to not get me that prevented
jolly sierra
15s cced
but as i said
almost never happens
cuz the guys are dumb af
and will break it anyways or intervene the like by ruining ur ccs DRs
vocal latch
yeah i mean, intervene is dope as i mean its super strong
learned about it at around 1.9k
when a warrior did it for the first time
xD
jolly sierra
in some match against a warr
the guy was glad
when i bursted him
he just ran away in a leap and intervened behind a pillar the healer
then appeared when it faded
that happens when the warrior uses 2 braincells instead 1
vocal latch
zugzug?
jolly sierra
me warrior
vocal latch
jks aside. Biggest thing that is trowing me off
since i came back is
everybody has 2-3 ccs
they are all shorter
vocal latch
and everybody does a fuck ton of dmg
jolly sierra
can do an entire cc line
too like rogue
if they chose pandaren
quaking palm> storm bolt> intimidating shout
vocal latch
a war is nothing else then a rogue in plate armor
just dealing 5x times ure sustain dmg (sub pov)
sharp pumice
Worse active defensives, better passive defensives
vocal latch
plate, what else
sharp pumice
D stance, semi passive, couple talent tree boosts
sharp pumice
True but bomb and better CC exists
waxen meteor
I always want to play affl lock after playing sin rogue for a while
dot them to die!
waxen meteor
fuck, i just realized i have 24 conquest badge not used on priest character
and i spent 2 hours losing in BG other days for warrior weapon
peak agate
Well 3 expansion announcement wasn't on my bucket list today
hidden mirage
i wonder if new allied race will have racial for bleed dispels, like all dwarfs do.
waxen meteor
is there a new race coming?
hidden mirage
yea, earthen dwarfs
peak agate
Probably neutral
I was right.
proven kayak
Guys can you play other classes to me seeems so boring to play anything else
waxen meteor
let me google it
peak agate
10 more levels..and some minor spec customizations.
They showed a warrior throwing multiple storm bolts
It was a prot warrior tho..but idk man
thick slate
Imagine that in solo shuffle where instead of DR'ing one guy, that ape warrior DRs the whole team so you can literally do 0 setups as a rogue
loooooooooooooooooooool
peak agate
Triple Stun blade storm lulz
tribal badger
was a prot warrior using one of the sub classes is shares with arms or fury tho so
would also be available to a dps spec
sheesh
waxen meteor
Imagine that in solo shuffle where instead of DR'ing one guy, that ape warrior D...
in the end, they will go with 'dmg where'?
noob
i have a noob question though, can mage sheep a rdruid?
worthy crag
in their human form yes
waxen meteor
it seems i can only when they are in certain form right?
tribal badger
only human form
rdruid is in human form anytime its casting heals yes
or not in incarnation tree of life
which is a long cd that i dont think anyone runs
tribal badger
u need to catch them on gcd or unaware tho
or cover it with another cc
cause if they shift mid cast they will immune it
peak agate
Most resto druids shift back after they hot to get a resealth
Or after they cyclone you
tribal badger
the new expac
wary spire
New expac got announced today. yep.
waxen meteor
11.0?
tribal badger
yes
wary spire
Yep.
wary spire
New talents, account wide reps and bearded ladies.
tribal badger
not necessarily last season but last content season yea
ppl expect they will do another shadowlands s4 whatchamacallit
where u do all 3 raids at once again
wary spire
You also can unlock transmog even if you can't wear it.
peak agate
Those delves look like a fun thing to do with the 2s partner when were bored
wary spire
Aren't they basically expeditions?
peak agate
They made it seem like it was outdoor content
wary spire
Zug
jolly sierra
What i must do on assa rogue? xD
SEXOOOOOO
dot
dot
cc healer
run w zug
repeat
kidney can be used against healer if is stuggled with the dps maintenance
can i buy all CM from my lock to unlock w all my chars? 😮
jolly sierra
what the heck
wary spire
Defensive assa needs.
languid ravine
can i buy all CM from my lock to unlock w all my chars? 😮
shit, they Blizz must be REALLY DRY out of any ideas if they have to resort these kind of big guns to fish for preorders/returners
wary spire
I mean it's nice but I don't think it'll bring anyone back.
All it currently does is removes my willingness to farm cosmetics in df lol.
waxen meteor
Defensive assa needs. <:starege:923197272064426075>
what is this?
wary spire
New classic season of mastery.
They're adding runes that give new stuff
Also max level is 25 I think.
jolly sierra
shit, they Blizz must be REALLY DRY out of any ideas if they have to resort thes...
everything depends of that
jolly sierra
today in ret's farming adventure
i killed this guys in a 2v1 because they grouped each other to kill me
one is a ret too
stiff cypress
any good rogue pvp ytber who still uploads
twin burrow
pliant delta
Honor dun get reset am i right....carries over into patch?
stiff cypress
Honor dun get reset am i right....carries over into patch?
yeah conq does tho
wintry dew
Doesnt*
waxen meteor
Honor dun get reset am i right....carries over into patch?
Yeah, better to max out this week
And use all of your honor conquest badge
muted abyss
time to level a 2nd rogue, any reason not to go with human?
muted abyss
but body type 2 tiddies
sharp sierra
wait for body type 2 earthen with beards
wary spire
time to level a 2nd rogue, any reason not to go with human?
Is the first one nelf?
muted abyss
Is the first one nelf?
yeah
sharp sierra
body type 1 night elf has shitty animations over all
wary spire
Oh yeah but nobody playes them lol.
muted abyss
is body type a meme, just say male or female lol
wary spire
Banned
sharp sierra
Oh yeah but nobody playes them lol.
my rogue is a nelf cus of the beard and the hair
wary spire
My condolences.
sharp sierra
and you know... shadowmwld
wary spire
Well yeah. But the body type 1... Or 2? Whichever?.. Erm, has meld as well along with dope animations.
sharp sierra
1 cus i like masculine characters for some reason
playing as 2 makes me feel like im roleplaying something im not, weird yeah
wary spire
Or a bearded body type 2 but here we are.
muted abyss
For dwarves it's fine since their body type 2 are what most body type 2 people look like
and the old lore has bearded body type 2 dwarves
wary spire
Ye sure. But nobody will play them not because of the lore but coz they look ugly.
muted abyss
giving me diabetes realness
why is there no option to have stumps for kul'tiran?
this is going off topic, going to take it into transmog
waxen meteor
time to level a 2nd rogue, any reason not to go with human?
NE and Undead!
wary spire
Undead's the best looking rogue.
waxen meteor
Kultiran looks so bad
wary spire
Is orc fell off that hard after the nerfs btw?
waxen meteor
I am trying to swap my mage to kul tiran but all the girl looks are baby fat faces
They need to have a sexy look
wary spire
Just use a helm lol.
muted abyss
kultiran looks realistic lol
waxen meteor
Is orc fell off that hard after the nerfs btw?
No I think it’s probably still one of the best on horde side, but undead just looks bling bling
wary spire
kultiran looks realistic lol
Screw realism, realism is ugly.
waxen meteor
kultiran looks realistic lol
They a bit too fatty
But who says a mage has to be athletic.
muted abyss
No pretty characters in gaming, didn't you get the memo lol
waxen meteor
Nono I used to have a orc male hunter, I just don’t want to log in with that
Then I did gender surgery, I played my hunter alt a lot more
muted abyss
honestly they just need to get rid of racial abilties in pvp
waxen meteor
Kul tiran seems so good for mage
wary spire
The most popular races always had one of these (or a combination of) 4 qualities: cool, sexy, cute, human.
waxen meteor
Another kick and mage doesn’t have stun
Blood elf is still the most popular race now?
wary spire
Like if it lacks all of those it's a meme race.
wary spire
Blood elf is still the most popular race now?
Population wise? Probably.
waxen meteor
I still need to finish two quest lines
wary spire
It also helps having an exclusive class.
waxen meteor
To unlock some alliance races
I try to fit my characters with some lores all the time
Like I really can’t do a cow rogue
wary spire
Although something tells me that without major overtuning dragon bois will be forgotten faster than monk.
waxen meteor
Like when I grew up with might and magic games, dwarf literally is a dumb race when you put talent in intelligence it works only 50% as other races
just feels wrong to me to have a dwarf mage in wow
waxen meteor
But again don't like their animations much.
That’s why we need to do undead male rogue!
You look like a pro
Tiny dmg boost and anti fear is also good
Nowadays fear is longest cc
And potentially you can be feared 264720185 miles away
wary spire
I'll stick with the female one.
wary spire
It's free these days. God bless affordable health care.
waxen meteor
😹😹
Yeah I remember I was asking how to do gender swap
I thought I had to pay a race change at first
Then I think someone here told me it’s free 
umbral geyser
Everyone stayin sub for 10.2? or is outlaw lookin legit for pvp
jolly sierra
staying assa
wary spire
Season of discovery also looks dope.
wary spire
I'll check it out. At max it will last me a month.
But I'll surely to have fun that month.
jolly sierra
with that rune stuff they added?
jolly sierra
XD
sick wasp
marble oasis
quaint cedar
new hero talent specs
languid ravine
yooooo guys new list of words vaguely related to your class just dropped!
queen geyser
quaint cedar
yeah we'll have to see what any of this actually means but I can't help feeling like outlaw was a bit of an afterthought here. Fatebound? wtf is that lol
halcyon timber
Its dnd inspired as many mmos are rooted from
It is also why we work the way we do because of those dnd roots.
quaint cedar
Yeah I'm thinking it will be
outlaw - fatebound + trickster
sub - deathstalker + trickster
assa - deathstalker + fatebound
wary spire
how yall feeling
We're officially a minigame.
Beaten by fancy world quests. Rip.
Other than that - the vault was for rng early weapon/tier. Well, and gem sockets.
I don't think it hurts us that bad. Just feels bad.
If we could buy tier for conquest it'll be fine. But doubt that as pve crowd will reee into the heavens.
wintry dew
I feel like atleast this way players who actually do both PvE and pvp won't have to gain a disadvantage in one area to gain an advantage in the other one
waxen meteor
NO MORE PVP VAULT
What?