pvp

[stoic spruce]

I assume its not going to be great into casters

[tawny kestrel]

kinda hard to say much considering pvp tuning usually happens 1-2 weeks into a new season and rarely on ptr

it could be broken on launch and then get tuned

unless ur only goal is to get 1800, its not really relevant

[stoic spruce]

was just fun speculation

nothing else to do this season

[quaint cedar]

Outlaw might be great next season, might not. Hard to say. Lots of good changes for outlaw overall. But I think in the end it hinges mostly on how badly losing Find Weakness screws us

[stoic spruce]

the ranged attacks being fire was such a good idea too

[quaint cedar]

Yes I love that idea

It would work perfectly with our burst

And it feels thematic

Sub has shadow damage and FW, sin has bleeds and nature damage, so outlaw having fire damage would be really cool

[low moon]

how much credit do you get towards the mount from shuffle?

[jolly sierra]

let them summon a ship, crash and do frost dmg

[steel skiff]

Anyone here know if Sleight of Hand is an additive 10% buff, or multiplicative?

[quaint cedar]

I'm not sure, though it is generally a low value talent

You're always better off going with loaded dice

[stoic spruce]

45 minutes for an unchanged rating

[worthy crag]

oof wait 34 min for solo q pop and face ret war udk

[stoic spruce]

what arena was that in?

I had an arena with ret/warr/sub

[viral charm]

Just returning to PvP guys, is sub or assa going to be best?

playing solo shuffle mainly

[stoic spruce]

Sub

I can say with utmost confidence

[viral charm]

Got a link for a build? there's too many different builds online so unsure on best

[stoic spruce]

maybe check the FAQs, im not well-versed with sub unfort

I just know they have a better time than me on Outlaw >.>

[worthy crag]

the new one in dragonflight, like 2 mini ramps with that dracthyr announcer

unfortunately given the representation of arms and ret in RSS it's so common to have them both in a lobby

Such an easy 0-6 recipe esp if the 4th is another melee

[uneven grove]

anything changed for pvp assa with the 4set buff?

still looks worthless on paper, anyone tested it?

[marble oasis]

So 4set got some stealth buffs

The noted change was still a but meh.
But they whitelisted the 4set to work with shiv and mastery.

So if that stays i’d have though even in it’s 50% pvp gimped state it’ll be an auto pick

[uneven grove]

ohh it has an 50% pvp nerf too

i might just pick 2 vers mastery pvp piece then instead of that

[marble oasis]

Yeh just gotta see as 50-60k ‘free damage’ isn’t to be sniffed at.
And can be triggered very reliably.

Defo something to play around but we’ll see how it rolls.

[nova viper]

always bad healers 🙂

always 3/3 bcs 1 healer is crap

[uneven grove]

same for healers tbh, when i played my MW i enjoyed the fast queues, but 80% of the matches went 3-3 for me cus 1 dps was total pepega and went 0-6

[twin burrow]

Make sure wounds don't fall off, that's it. Your way overcomplicating things. You can spend more time fleshing out your rotation and such then worrying about how to have crippling poison uptime on a non kt

[thorn pond]

Hey friends ! I’m wondering about what’s your ideal rotation on sub rogue ? I tend to do : cheap shot -> dance/shadowblade/trinket -> shadow strike -> coldblood / secret tech -> symbols -> cheap shot -> shadow strike -> evis -> cheap shot -> shadow strike -> evis (if enough combos). But I was wondering if I eventually missed something to make the rotation a bit better !

[ashen void]

use to hit blue combo point to put up a rupture or blue combo point envenom

[sharp sierra]

are rated bgs (solo) going to be rated in s2

or they testing the waters for now with it?

err s3

[jolly sierra]

when u are disarmed or the other guy has some kind of evasion or parry

no

the poisons are a proc w that

if u wanna safely apply a poison like that use poison knife

damage doesnt matter, is mostly to snare and kite

[surreal barn]

You want to dance before cheap shot

[chrome schooner]

Also you can sneak in 3 globals on the 1st cheap shot, not 2

It should be cheap shot, damage damage damage, cheap shot, damage, cheap shot, damage

[surreal barn]

Yep you can get that rotten shadowstrike in before the second cheap

I’m gonna miss this season’s sub 🥲

I won’t miss playing against it though lol

[chrome schooner]

I had such a fun time doing some solo q on my Disc yday

I LOVE facing Rogues

I'm in their head

It's so much fun

[restive cedar]

finaly got the elite set now try for the weapon enchant xd

[waxen meteor]

for those rogues

[wanton breach]

gz and good luck going for 2100!
out of curiousity, are you playing on a laptop?

[restive cedar]

Yes ITS a gaming Laptop 😋

[wary spire]

First time tank lobby.

Jeeesus.

[jolly sierra]

fkn 2014 office laptop

[wanton breach]

PSA, the monthly trading post reward as well as the magic broom have 0 cast time during the event, even in arenas and bgs

[jolly sierra]

OOF

nice

[wary spire]

Yep! Too bad there's no insta dragons...

[floral crest]

question, for assas is it better to use tier or no?

i keep seeing alot of different views

[jolly sierra]

ppl rn is using like 2set as i checked in murlok.io last time

[floral crest]

well i see some using 4... some using 2... some using only 1 pc and rest vers/mas gera

just gearing the rogue to get mog and was tryin to figure out and theres no definate it seems?

[jolly sierra]

just go with four, 1k8 is easy

[floral crest]

well im going to push further after that lol didnt want to waste turning my vers/mast gear into tier if didnt need to

[jolly sierra]

are you sure u can in 2 weeks?

[languid ravine]

on murlok it seems 60% use 2set, 40% use 4set

[floral crest]

what do you mean? you have like instantly 8 charges of cata

[jolly sierra]

what

[floral crest]

? im confused at what your asking

[languid ravine]

I just lost a round due to dropping below the ground from a fear in graveyard map

:^)

[jolly sierra]

the season ends in 2 more weeks

[jolly sierra]

working as intended

[floral crest]

doesnt take long to make some moves lol

been 2.1 on a couple classes in last few days

[jolly sierra]

sure thing, gl

[floral crest]

guessing shoulders are th 1 pc that gets crafted?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[floral crest]

you think buyng a weap is more important than 4pc?

sry dumb questions lol

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[jolly sierra]

yes

[wanton breach]

YEP elemental shaman

[jolly sierra]

balanced

[stoic spruce]

just cloak bro

[languid ravine]

I swear every time there is a 500 rating gap between dps and healers, there is also a marksman in the lobby who either wins or dies after 15 seconds

[thorn pond]

It was from a stealth opening but yeah out of stealth it would be dance first of course !

[surreal barn]

Even from stealth if you’re gonna open big best to dance from stealth

[thorn pond]

Okok ! Will try that then ! (First time trying a bit more seriously a melee clsss in PvP after years of mages and priests haha)

[surreal barn]

I mean you should always go for the sap

[thorn pond]

Okok, but I can’t use dance in stealth (or maybe my macro is busted or something)

[surreal barn]

You can

[thorn pond]

Okok, will check my macros then ! Thanks for the insight

[stoic spruce]

I was cockblocked by rating diff healers last night

I am so salty

[languid ravine]

I keep losing them somehow

even on my DH

on assa its obvious because the rounds are over halfway through my deathmark...

[worthy crag]

is grinding 100 legend wins on another spec still a thing

[waxen meteor]

I think it’s fixed

[languid ravine]

today I ve seen a 2.2 rated windwalker tunnel visioning a Ret while Augmentattion and resto druid are in the game and also your teammate is a cleave class

twice in a row

you can be anything guys

you just have to believe

fucking bots

legit didnt even use Ring of peace in 6 rounds

[stoic spruce]

The only thing worse than a RoP used terribly is a RoP not used at all

Idec if they put it in Narnia. At least use the dang thing lol.

[languid ravine]

in the same lobby was a 2.3 rated Resto druid

he shadowmelded two of my stormbolts

5000% brain and skill difference

maybe I m pissed for no reason

maybe it was just a wintrade lobby with very "convincing" actors so its not obvious

honestly not sure which explanation is stupider

but I dont have a better one

[sharp sierra]

What’s the best rogue race for PvP, forgot humans were just stealth detection 😂

In classic* sorry

[stoic spruce]

Panda is pretty good

Human, nelf, dwarf if you're alliance.

Gnome is good too

Orc, Undead, Belf if you're horde

In no particular order

Race doesn't mean a lot

At all

[mellow jackal]

I played fundead from vanilla until goblins became an option

Ftroll alt twink was fun lol

but forreal you should pick race for aesthetic reasons

for example: female bood elves have a really cool idle stealth animation

also lmao that they finally said fuggit and let taurens rogue

if a cow rogue opened on me i would react thinking it was a feral druid

[queen geyser]

In Classic? Human or Undead if you want consistency

Orc if you want to make people mald

Dwarf generally good pick too

[surreal barn]

Mald is a mad kind of bald

[queen geyser]

Which you will make people do, yes

[jolly sierra]

i throw that shit above the pillar sometimes

tell me that is a good way to use it lol

[jolly sierra]

yeat its pretty good

and ppl will become horny for u if u are fem wtf

[surreal barn]

Wut

[jolly sierra]

ppl says a lot of shit to u

sec

that was for me in a SS

as panda warrior

[stoic spruce]

I would rather it be up there than nowhere lol

[stoic spruce]

uhm erm hrm

[jolly sierra]

lol

[jolly sierra]

nuh uh

[queen geyser]

True

[jolly sierra]

bonus if bot of ur eyes are functional and blue/green or purple

[queen geyser]

I feel attacked

Fortunately, I have a leg up

[jolly sierra]

huh

[queen geyser]

They see the he/him in my TRP if they're RPers and it's like

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-insane-cat-help-my-cat-is-insane-help-my-cat-cat-gif-21688581

[jolly sierra]

lol

[stoic spruce]

gross

im gonna miss dreadblades

[worthy crag]

finally managed to recover my tanked ratings

so many damn fistweavers today that dont work well with sub at all

[floral crest]

nice! first day of arena..... 0-1800 in 2's

still hadnt made cloak or boots hahahaha

[stoic spruce]

I wish I wasn't being held back

0-1800 in one day is impossible

[queen geyser]

Pre sure starting mmr rn is 1860

Not to say that it's free, it's a shitshow because literally everyone is in that bracket

Clueless fresh blood, late pushers, early season pushers coming back for casual games/a shot at enchant (hi)

[stoic spruce]

Well my healer doesn't know what half their buttons do and they have 0 awareness as well as the reaction time of a rock.

Otherwise yeah I'd agree lol

[uncut bone]

Hello guys, I want to make a pvp alt (shuffles, solo q rbg, open world, random bgs) and was considering rogue. But I feel a bit intimidated cause everyone says is so hard and so squish.
Is that really true? I come from warlock which I am sure is much tankier...

Don't really have a spec preference ATM, just wanna be that sneaky playstyle

[thick slate]

brothers how is rogue looking in 10.2 ?

better ? worse or same ?

and which spec seems to be better so far ?

[potent pivot]

rogue isn't very squishy at all imo

if you blow all your defensives etc incorrectly sure you can get deleted, but you've got a pretty big toolkit to live

assa has less survivability, but if you play it right you can still do decently

[uncut bone]

Sounds good to me. Any spec you recommend for those purposes?

[potent pivot]

all 3 are pretty viable in all brackets for the most part, i personally prefer sub for rgb specifically tho

[uncut bone]

Which one world you recommend for open world?

I don't play rbg ATM cause a pita to get group for me

[stoic spruce]

Sub is unmatched in wpvp

[floral crest]

Wouldn’t say it was free but pretty easy. I still have a couple green items lol…. But starting with green gear and honor gear and now almost fully gear it went smoothly enough.

And the healer I grabbed was like 1500 with 600 games played hahahaha so I didn’t figure we would have done any good but started mmr was roughly 1600 for me and ended at 2150 mmr lastnight. So it’s not bad

[stoic spruce]

There's also a bit of rng involved

[pale storm]

can you still buy conquest boxes for alts in the week between arena seasons?

[quaint cedar]

I hate shuffle players

On my rdruid and these dps refuse to attack the same thing

Got a warrior on a solo mission trying to kill an hpal while my enhance is hitting a DK on the other side of the map

End my suffering

[wary spire]

"Focus mage" he says before sitting on dk all game.

My favorite is by far "this tanky class player is so baaad, let's focus them". Proceed to lose the next match without fail.

[languid ravine]

I still prefer "I am a RETRIBUTION PALADIN and this enemy hunter is multi glad R!, so let's not focus them"

wait it's the same shit I am stupid

[wary spire]

So that's a reason to buy a boost, huh.

Extra protection against dumbos.

[languid ravine]

no he that one particular guy was actually good, noticably so

:^d

and there is no protection against dumbos in this world

[wary spire]

Good hunters and mages are legit scary.

Good thing those are rare.

[quaint cedar]

Happens all the time and drives me crazy. Bad player is going to go 0-6 except then your teammates throw on the last round and you go negative

[wary spire]

Yep. Especially the last games are like that. The amount of "someone's dead right out the gate" versing the worst performing player are so high it's crazy.

[waxen meteor]

I am trying to figure out too

[stoic spruce]

SS is rubbing off on you

I get gatekept by bad players and it infuriates me

Like bro

We can literally win on opener

You just have to not be an idiot

[quaint cedar]

They can't

I swear shuffle just drains your brain cells

Love when WW monk and surv hunter are popping every CD in the game on you and your stupid ret won't bop you or sanc you or anything at all

Amazing

[pure hemlock]

any1 with a pvp sub specc here to share?

[waxen meteor]

Joining the complaint team for solo

had a DH alt solo today, it’s a DH/Warrior/Frost/Affl lock lobby. Easy 3-0 to start with hpal; 4th game I also won, with priest but a lot harder, 5th game was a lost mainly because lock’s position, but still got plenty of chances to kill mage, just full sheep, block, physical immune, none was dispelled.
Last game I pair with warrior against lock and mage, I just said priest to do more dispel, there was only me as a DH dispelling (like I dispelled physical immune last round), but priest just went ‘dispel the dots?’ ; ‘shut up’

Then obviously we lost again due to zero dispel

[languid ravine]

dispel alter time? thats for noobs

150k Ice barrier? just do more damage lul

[worthy crag]

Sounds like the priest understood it as "purify" as in dispelling friendlies and getting UA silenced

Personally I distinguish offensive dispel as "purge"

[wary spire]

It's called business sense.

[waxen meteor]

His skill name is mass dispel

[languid ravine]

bone everyone

[jolly sierra]

what the heck lol

i got a boner by shotting everyone

cuz u get bonus combo points doing that

im about to drop this crappy SS mess and just go 2s

im gotta pick my pevoker glad guildie and GTFO

im sure the guy isnt doing anything

[surreal barn]

Think there will be another BG shuffle vs the blues on PTR?

[waxen meteor]

He will report you in 5 mins

Check if you can still log in now

[wary spire]

He wanted me to kill a random druid because he was in his farming spot.

So don't think so.

[fast cargo]

It depends on the comp, with a lot of melee cleaves I dot both up for extra pressure, or for an rdruid I dot everyone since they struggle to heal multiple targets. Otherwise I usually just spike the primary target

[inland comet]

What rating would you need to get to to earn the obsidian legend title for outlaw?

[quaint cedar]

According to drustvar the cutoff for outlaw is currently 2741

[languid ravine]

my healpal gave me BoP at 10% life 5 second AFTER kidney shot

x)

[waxen meteor]

Well I am not sure in organized 3s when you would use sin over sub, probably with affl lock? Then I would say surely keep bone at least 2 targets

And overall most cc skill cleans dot anyway today

[surreal barn]

Man just end the season now

[stoic spruce]

No

I can't live without dreadblades

It's been mega boosting my mmr

Big dam

[quaint cedar]

I really hated the self damage of DB but I am also sad that it got deleted instead of being made better

Right when sub got its artifact ability back too

Now we're the only spec without ours

[wary spire]

Kingsbane too got turned into super pumper.

Still will miss mfd immensely

[stoic spruce]

Zacs rendition of Dreadblades is cool

You could also remove the slef damage and it'd be fine

[languid ravine]

my Ret paladin died in the final (would be) 0-6 round

it's as if he has learned nothing since the existence of solo shuffle

or the 5 rounds prior where everyone kept getting knocked off the arena

or the 10 years he spent getting indoctrinated in school

[languid ravine]

not only that, but shadowblades is basically dreadblades now but with a big damage modifier instead of a drawback

[quaint cedar]

Yup. Sub just keeps stealing outlaw's lunch money this expac

[glass bear]

[quaint cedar]

Yeah it's not a bad idea. I miss dreadflag from SL. I didn't mind the self damage when it was a hard 1.5 min CD but ever since it was put on CDR I haven’t cared for it much. Plus dreadflag actually hit decently hard so the self damage didn't feel as punishing

[stoic spruce]

I was hoping we'd get that back but we went in the opposite direction

Vers flag was bae

I liked haste too

[quaint cedar]

Yeah sucks that all we got from SL was sepsis and ER

I did run sepsis for a bit earlier this season

[stoic spruce]

Same, outbof curiosity

[quaint cedar]

Its not bad but next patch its basically unusable because it's on a choice node with underhanded

[stoic spruce]

God I hate PvE channels

[quaint cedar]

And ER can just go die. Never cared for it much

[stoic spruce]

It can rot

[quaint cedar]

Me too

Those people are rabid

If you ever mention pvp

You get attacked

[stoic spruce]

They call for things that make classes terrible in pvp and then meme on pvp for being bad

[quaint cedar]

Toxic cesspool of a channel

Right? Mythic+ is partially why pvp is so stupid this expac, because everyone has aoe cc now

And every dps is constantly shitting out big aoe dam for free

Pve shit always trickles down to pvp and we just have to deal with it. But on those pve channels even if you ask for a pvp only change they get mad

Like last time when I tried asking realz about HO being nerfed and how it affects pvp more because of enduring brawler, and the pve guys just all went crazy over it

[stoic spruce]

It makes me nauseous

[quaint cedar]

lol just saw how they reacted to your comment about dreadflag

How is that boring? Wtf?

[stoic spruce]

I have the type of headache that feels better when I bang it against my refrigerator door

[quaint cedar]

You press flag and Dreadblades and do big dam and build up a ton of stacks and get a huge vers/haste buff how is that boring lol

[stoic spruce]

They're stupid

And I'll take it to my grave

I refuse to budge

[quaint cedar]

lmao

All they care about is sims anyways

And whether the spec is op in mythic+ or not

[stoic spruce]

Ikr? You'd figure they'd care about dmg amps considering that's what outlaw does

[surreal barn]

They should really make it undispellable

[quaint cedar]

Dude that would be sick

[surreal barn]

It’s like at any decent MMR the healer is watching for it

[quaint cedar]

I had to stop playing sepsis when the hpal rework happened

And now we have rdruids being meta so they can cleanse it for free since it's a poison

So it's useless now lol

[bright needle]

what are some of your guy's tips for getting into pvp?

I've been trying to get into it, but I just don't do damage even when popping all of my big offensive cds

and i try to learn from my deaths, but people seem to do huge bursts and so it happens too fast for me to learn anything

[quaint cedar]

If you are new to pvp rogue is a tough class to learn on

[stoic spruce]

For sanity, avoid pve channels. For general knowledge, a good streamer is a good place to start.
Really just record you gameplay and look at what you did wrong.

Once you get the fundamentals

[stoic spruce]

What spec you playing brother?

[surreal barn]

What spec are you trying to get better with

[bright needle]

Outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it's fun. What spec are you dying most to? Or are you dying to everything?

[bright needle]

Mainly warriors and paladins

Though I usually do well against hunters, they still take awhile to kill

[stoic spruce]

So with warriors, you'll have disarm for every colossal smash which gimps their damage. If they have parry up, you can shadowstep kidney or ss/disarm depending on the situation. In terms of general survivability. People say to hold feint for when you need it but I find using it on cd keeps me alive a lot longer.

[restive cedar]

I find Warriors way to overpowered

[stoic spruce]

They're beefy

[restive cedar]

Do we know the next PvP rewards for season 3?

[stoic spruce]

Just the elite sets

I think mount but I'm not sure

Yes the mount

It's that long snake one but flashy

[restive cedar]

Ah okay , what is better woth Outlaw dreadblades or Killing Spree?

[stoic spruce]

That is entirely dependent on your healer

Generally KS is better

I've been running DB lately and I've been doing big dam.

But that's because I have coms with a healer

[restive cedar]

Okey yeah was hard to reach the 1.8k now. I try to Go for the enchnat but think i m to Bad for this xd

Ah okey i only Play solo

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw is not the solo spec lol

Is rough for sure

[restive cedar]

Trying the other speecs but i find Outlaw doing Lot of fun

[inland comet]

I got 2.1k in solo on outlaw pretty easily once I started focusing more on applying CC, and watching DRs rather than on doing damage (easier when you don’t have to think about the rotation)

[stoic spruce]

Even when outlaw doesnt do a lot of damage, it's still fun to play

[inland comet]

Blade flurry does feel really good into tons of melee, especially when their healer is locked down 1/3 of the time

[languid ravine]

I think the best way to go about Outlaw is trying to kill ONE guy during the whole match, every CC or cleave damage on another target is a bonus

also use your range and mobility to stay alive

[inland comet]

I was trying to play it like a damp spec, trying to pressure the other healer until the consistent damage was so much they couldn’t keep up. I’m not sure how far past 2.1k that would work

[waxen meteor]

Damn it's so hard to find a Draenei nowadays, just trying to finish the halloween achievement

[restive cedar]

Someone have a weakaura for Outlaw for the pistol shots and stacks?

[final kite]

I have one, but it's just the icon and the number of stacks you have. Nothing fancy.

[restive cedar]

Yeah thats what i want can you sende me it via dm

[final kite]

sent

[jolly sierra]

dude im pointed w a sniper there

fkn toxic

ironic coming from the pvp rogue

[inner mist]

How often do you guys flop the triple cheap shot? Atleast half the time for me i flop it.

[minor cape]

well shouldn't be a problem cause 1 goes out from stealth and then there is 3 sec subterfuge

🤔

[inner mist]

talking about gaps in triple cheap shot

[minor cape]

aaah

often

then

🤪

triple cheap shot is different when playing vs orc so that's it prolly

[thick slate]

i can get my triple cheap shot fine but when i have to play around danse macabre and using evisc as a first finisher instead of secret tech, that's where my brain freezes and i kinda mess it up

[inner mist]

On dummys i also mess it up sometimes, idk if its the server connection or what

[tiny maple]

Hey. Got my rogue back in the game yesterday and had a blast! Haven't played rogue since shadowlands and I have two questions. 1) Has anything been changed to our dance uptime, I seem to be struggling with having dances for all the goes I want to do in RMP? and 2) why is pvp under misc among off-topic, transmogs and other games in this discord server? 😦

[minor cape]

1. Do you use second dance and dance cdr from spending cp in your build?
2. Because mods hate pvp

[tiny maple]

Second dance?

I do use deepening shadows that reduce dance CD by 0,7sec for each combo point. Could it be that that talent has been tuned and used to be more than 0,7 sec per point maybe

[minor cape]

well, second charge of shadow dance

[tiny maple]

Oh yeah i use 2 dance charges yes

[faint valve]

Just came back from a PvP hiatus and I am happy that I already did reach my goal for this season Crazy rating gain!

[tiny maple]

Looks like it might have been 1,5 sec instead of 0,7 sec.

[thick slate]

Boys is sub good for 2s?

and which healer do i partner with ? i dont play RM

[surreal barn]

Great time to learn rogue mage

[floral crest]

Damn 600 almost for a 6-0… I did a 5-1 and only got like 290 rating at same mmr as you

Hell of a lobby for you to! No casters!

[pale storm]

Well he was like 1300 something CR in that lobby, so gained a lot@of rating on a 6-0 to get closer to his mmr

[waxen meteor]

why? we like casters

to be honest, this is a tough lobby if the others target us

it's total outplay if it's a 6-0 when the others focus on us in such a lobby

but i think some dudes are not familiar with sin, they think sin are hard to kill as sub and leave us alone, then the lobby becomes a lot easier

[floral crest]

Yea I’m 1350 currently only been in like 4 shuffles, did 1800 in 2’s first

[floral crest]

I’ve honestly enjoyed going against melees more bc I hadn’t learned usage of CDs for casters yet

Spread bleeds! Idk if im playing right correctly but having fun

[faint valve]

Yeah, first time saw something like that. I was shocked(heh )

[floral crest]

Lol I was waiting on it! But I don’t have an “e” 😉

[waxen meteor]

haha, you are hero

[floral crest]

Huh lol

[floral crest]

What do you mean

[sharp sierra]

BOOM! gotta ask once and for all!

is OUTLAW good or shit in 10.2

[glass bear]

no one really knows for pvp everything could get adjusted multiple times the first couple of weeks

[sharp sierra]

has the rotation of sub changed drastically with rework

[waxen meteor]

i mean melee blend is normally a hell for sin

glad you worked it out well!

[jolly sierra]

bruh won 4-2 in a row

and barely receive 25 CR

[glass bear]

sounds like you should of won more than that if you only got 25

[wary spire]

You sound like my parents.

[jolly sierra]

my MMR was equalized w my CR

but still very shitty earning, if i would lose that one maybe would be a -45 or some shit like that

lol

[glass bear]

[worthy crag]

blades edge gone starting tmr

really hoping it becomes permanent

[jolly sierra]

me too

fucking blade's edge

[gritty bobcat]

Yo guys

Why is shiv not showing up and badge is showing up

The macro works but i want to see that i bave 2 shiv charges on my bar

Reallt annoying

[surreal barn]

Click save

[gritty bobcat]

I did lmao

[graceful plume]

It's case sensitive

[gritty bobcat]

What do u think im stupid

[graceful plume]

So yeah Ur stupid

[gritty bobcat]

It doesnt work still

[surreal barn]

Are you talented into shiv

[gritty bobcat]

Bro

Ofc

Im assa

[surreal barn]

Okay ur not stupid

Just checking man you can never be too sure

[gritty bobcat]

Lmao

[surreal barn]

Do a /reload maybe it is bugged

[gritty bobcat]

Nope

Nothing

[lucid citrus]

Maybe the shiv at the top has a extra space at the end?

[floral crest]

Does season end tomorrow? Or next week

[waxen meteor]

2090 again as DH, and got a fuckign 1700 healer lobby again

1-5 again

fuck

Can't play with those mother fucker lowbies

[jolly sierra]

wtf

[graceful plume]

Seems like it's not case sensitive

So I'm stupid

[wary spire]

Less goo

From 0 to hero bbyyy

[languid ravine]

nice one

mine is the opposite I ve dropped from 2.3 to 2.0

x)

the ugly tabard and ugly weapon reskins dream is dead

[wary spire]

Enchants are sick tho

[stoic spruce]

They dont match with anything

[wary spire]

They do if you set yourself on fire.

[floral crest]

I love the over the top enchant visuals tbh

[waxen meteor]

I think I used this only on priest so far, didn't realize it's this from s2 duelist

[wary spire]

Gotta represent, gotta show people what's up.

Now all those people who i gank over and over can't just say that i'm combatant 1.

[floral crest]

I liked the storm one last season to.

[wary spire]

Also I got 2 saddles what's up with that?

[floral crest]

And the black ones from SL

[wary spire]

I was just returning to wow. And got to like 1200-1400. Then ret happened.

And I completely ignored the rest of the season.

[floral crest]

Lol yea I got like 2300 on my sham and broke my arm during my state armwrestling championship. So I just got back also

[jolly sierra]

chad edaniel did it again

[wary spire]

Oh shit how's your arm?

[floral crest]

I’m golden now lol. Training for my spot back in 2 weeks

[floral crest]

Close

[wary spire]

Man, looking hella cool!

[floral crest]

That drawing is almost accurate but less beard 🤣🤣

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDDDDDDD

heck

[wary spire]

Assa, 2100

Sub. 1600

Fucking sub

[fast cargo]

Crazy cause sub is so much better suited for solo lol

[wary spire]

I'm built different.

Not in a good way.

But different.

[languid ravine]

is it really though

its a complete control and combo spec

[jolly sierra]

assa is more EZ thro for shuffles if u have dumb partners which wastes DR

[wary spire]

Zug zug!

[jolly sierra]

me smash

[languid ravine]

I m build different too

I m playing like a god on Assa (dropped to 2000)

meanwhile I m the biggest fail meme on Sub (somehow 2200)

I m almost convinced it doesnt matter what you do at this point

[jolly sierra]

at this step

is just

"play whatever you are best suited in"

[stoic spruce]

RAHHH

[jolly sierra]

RAAAAAAAAAAH

[waxen meteor]

wait what?

you must be referring to 2200+ sub lobbies

[glass bear]

lol hard disagree you can do zero setup with assa and law and ping 2100 without one blind

[surreal barn]

If you’re use to timing drs and cc’ing the enemy team, sub is way easier.

If you want to zug it’s assa

[wary spire]

I've made my choice.

[surreal barn]

But it is still a challenge staying alive in certain lobbies

[glass bear]

doesn't matter when teammates dr everything at low mmr so completely irrelevant

[surreal barn]

Matters as sub

You can absolutely still get screwed

Low MMR with high rated heals

[wary spire]

When I was playing sub my main issue were misstimed bursts.

[jolly sierra]

when u dropped smoke bomb the most?

[wary spire]

I went BLEH and then just kinda waddled around/

[wary spire]

Smoke is "make healer panik" button.

And that's pretty much it for 90% of my bombs lol

But I did snach a few close matchups with that.

[jolly sierra]

noice

u inspired me to give the rog another chance after 1k8

XD

[wary spire]

Yee! You got this!

[fast cargo]

Not at all you carry low mmr lobbies so easy sub. No one knows how to trade cooldowns properly against sub. You have too much control/burst/survival. Feel like the higher you go, players know the game better and how to trade. Plus things are more scripted and less mongo/unorthodox

[fast cargo]

Assa is only easier because you have less to do, but you have to work 10x harder to survive most lobbies.

[worthy crag]

sub is ironically easier in higher lobbies than low

last saturday i had the displeasure of tanking down 300 points and I started seeing people doing triple dr stuns when stun dr was 3 seconds from resetting

[fast cargo]

That is the big pain point I feel like with any low cr lobby for rogues. People don’t respect the value of our stuns

Doesn’t matter the spec.

[waxen meteor]

Yeah that’s why sub is really hard in low lobbies

You see a bunch of brain dead moments

Then they said you no dmg

[fast cargo]

Yeah but those same players are the ones who trinket a smoke bomb stun. And then you just solo them in duel

[jolly sierra]

sub is shitty for low ranked shit

and the average player is watching that the most

the biggest example is warrior doing a storm bolt

randomly

[fast cargo]

Only time I don’t complain is aoe stun, if a war,monk or dh can aoe stun all 3 targets I’m not gonna complain I’ll just dr cheap off

High value in aoe stun if it gets them all

[languid ravine]

DH at 2k rating has a choice:
2 steps behind pillar
1vs3 the entire enemy team

"rogue no damage reee"

[jolly sierra]

REEEEEEE

[surreal barn]

I love it when you have patiently crafted the perfect kill and then as you blow your load you hit a random cyclone on kill target

[languid ravine]

I remember one time I JUST put kidney and deathmark on a mistweaver he was SO gonna get rekt, but mage sheeped him 1 second later and died 5 seconds after that

even worse it heals them to full

[glass bear]

[jolly sierra]

just noticed something

i still need to reapply poisons per instance

cuz leeching fades w phasing

REEEEEEEEEEE

[glass bear]

https://tenor.com/view/ree-reeeee-duck-gif-15312912

[fast cargo]

Still happening on 10.2 ptr 😦

[golden thistle]

dumb question time: did a seething shore and the rogue on the other team was able to stay stealthed while mining, but it pops me out. sup w that, or is that one of those clientside vs not lag sorta things?

[floral crest]

Only reapply wound or deadly. It’s lethal that procs it

[jolly sierra]

i do

got a DH/DH/WW match w rogue

ended 3-3, finished for today

going ret

KEK

[languid ravine]

The duality of man shuffle

[languid ravine]

I just met an Arms warrior while playing my Arms warrior and we were like 95% in sync

it was so funny

he was like 0,2 sec faster than me though

old man issues

[bright needle]

as an outlaw rogue, what gear should i buy from seltherex?

[languid ravine]

for the free token?

chest is best option but depends entirely on what you still need so

[bright needle]

im uh, new to pvp

what's this free token?

[languid ravine]

you want vers/mastery gear for Outlaw

[bright needle]

im aware, but I still don't what I should be getting. there's multiple options for each slot even when filtering by spec

[jolly sierra]

i would buy the shoulders and reach 1k8

so i have everything from the set but the helm for xmog

[jolly sierra]

edaniel has big rogue energy

i was 1k8 in early afternoon

and did a very big break

[thick slate]

are we going to expect some serious pvp tuning before the season hits?

[jolly sierra]

maybe

[hidden mirage]

I wish we could get atleast something pvp related, not only tuning but QoL improvements.. This rework feels like normal patch for every other class.

[queen geyser]

Most likely not

[thick slate]

im in a very annoying phase of not being able to decide between dh and rogue for the season

both have been reworked

both are blasting in pve atleast (maybe DH a bit more with how busted it currently is)

but for pvp its a different story

rogue seems alot weaker there

and takes 10 times more effort to play than DH

and lets not mention solo shuffle where 1 DR fuckup means your whole go is destroyed

idk

[queen geyser]

For solo? Yeah DH

[thick slate]

i was so sure of staying rogue but after how DH turned out, im unsure now

[queen geyser]

Hundo percent

I ride or die with Outlaw though

[thick slate]

outlaw's never been my cup of tea in pvp

and its the most annoying abomination to face in 2s with rdruid

i main sub

i kept facing outlaw teams at 2.2mmr on my warr and even though i havent lost to them, it was the worst experience lol

i sit in CC until like 90% damp where the rdruid just cant heal sharpen + bleeds anymore and i win

[jolly sierra]

assa also seems very obnoxious against rdroods rn

think if i got a lot of druids in a row can get the 2k1 in little time

[thick slate]

what's your character name?

[jolly sierra]

wanna doxx me?

meimei-sanguino

[thick slate]

lmao no was just curious

actually insane name for a panda rogue haha

what did you get elite as in s1?

[jolly sierra]

ehhhhh

ret = D

[thick slate]

Hahaha

well 2.4 is 2.4 my guy

gz on tabard

[jolly sierra]

thank you thank you lol

tbh i really expect repeating it w another class if i manage to get the gamer PC

got like $30 today and expect like $300 next month for the part time, so im every time closer to that

[thick slate]

having a goal to chase is always good

[jolly bear]

how is this thread under Misc threads in a ROGUE discord

[stoic spruce]

Because PvErs kill PvP and then meme on PvP for being bad.

Thus making pvp irrelevant to them

PvErs are not your friends

They want you to not play the game

[jolly bear]

makes me sick

[nova viper]

imagine

playing pve xD

so cringy

[wary spire]

How so?

Is losing current 2p that bad for sub? I thought they'd be stronger in 10.2

[queen geyser]

PvE tribalism

All forms of endgame pale in comparison to the true endgame though:

Fashion

[wary spire]

True.

[queen geyser]

Damn that’s hot

[thick slate]

https://check-pvp.fr/tw/Skywall/灵灭强强

asian things

https://check-pvp.fr/tw/Shadowmoon/邪能方尖碑

my eyes

[wary spire]

4k what the hell

And I'm sitting here in full HD.

[wary spire]

Man. Being 2400 places you in top 40 of all assa rogues in EU.

That's insane.

[quaint cedar]

When I got 2400 in S1 as outlaw I was rank 18 in NA

No idea what it is now because I've not bothered with shuffle much at all this season on rogue. Too painful lol

[floral crest]

So far hadnt had a losing shuffle! All have been 5/4 wins only 2100 mmr so far so I’m happy

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOO

dude seems like this is assa week

holy shit, and in most of season was so fkn bad

[nova viper]

seeeeexooooooooo

[jolly sierra]

nice, ppl never lose their traditions here

[nova viper]

mayby in classic +

pvp be better

[glass bear]

pog

[jolly sierra]

XDDD

[thick slate]

What spec/build u playing?

[floral crest]

Assas.

I never change build so idk lol

[waxen meteor]

Just to be honest and I feel a bit ashamed.
I played like 7 classes, 11 or 12 specs to 1800 this season, only 3 have not reached 2100. DH is one of them... other 2 is like only 1 week old char...

It's surely one of the easiest spec in lower lobbies, but maybe because i never try to learn deeply about DH, i feel it's missing some killing setup, and have to do too much zug zug

[quaint cedar]

Idk if this is helpful but as a 2100 shuffle healer I find most DHs are just really bad about overextending, forcing me into bad positions where I get CC chained and they end up dying

I've also noticed they do have a bit of that finishing problem too, kind of like outlaw. They can put up good overall damage numbers but they struggle to kill stuff sometimes

[uneven grove]

i think they are wintraders

i am not sure tho

[quaint cedar]

Also idk why but DH players are always the saltiest and most toxic in shuffle

Almost every rager or thrower I've seen is a DH

Locks tend to be pretty toxic too

And I'm pretty sure rets just can't read lol

[jolly sierra]

healers too for me tho

its ironic how toxic they are

[floral crest]

The biggest issue Ive had so far is it feels like a dh in 2’s can just turn and look at me and I’m dead almost

[wary spire]

Healers are the most toxic, ye.

[floral crest]

How does assas deal with their dmg? I win most the games but it’s lucky

[wary spire]

I think it has to do with the insta queue. They don't have time to cool off.

[floral crest]

Only 1900 cr tho so not super high

[quaint cedar]

Yeah, healers are the worst

Always raging

In shuffle

[waxen meteor]

I think DH lobby is one of hardest for sin

That's real

When I play on both sides I feel the same

[floral crest]

like just in normal 2's?

[waxen meteor]

Yes

[floral crest]

feel like they immune or dodge so much shit all the time

[waxen meteor]

Better for sure when there is a healer

Yesterday I had a DH 2050 ish lobby with Sin/Ret/Monk

[floral crest]

like i said ive luckly won prob 8 out of 10 of them. but its only bc they fuck up

[waxen meteor]

Even if I went for ret, sometimes Sin is dying lol

anyway, sometimes 4 melee lobby becomes a bit too much zugzug

[quaint cedar]

I wish every lobby was melee range healer on both teams

Those always feel the most balanced

[waxen meteor]

It's kinda annoying, DH's dmg profile is a bit weird, even when i play DH, I think I back off way less often than playing rogue/ret etc.

[quaint cedar]

Could even reduce round number to 4 instead of 6 so you never get the double melee vs double caster rounds

[waxen meteor]

like for us, when there's no kidney CD, going back is compeltely fine. Ret similar, and can do range attack anyway

[jolly sierra]

yesterday got one yelling at everybody

had the shadowflame illusion and all that shit

[waxen meteor]

I love healers, but I am really against healer calling target

[jolly sierra]

who isn't

"go hunter"

"no cc"

"absolute dog"

[wary spire]

Bark!

Have you informed them that you're in fact a panda?

[jolly sierra]

nah, the dog was for the hunt

lolol

[wanton breach]

pandas aren't canine?!

[jolly sierra]

no, they are ursids

XDDD

tf is an aura

[wary spire]

General damage aura?

[jolly sierra]

ye

[wary spire]

It's their "buff all damage by 3%" thing, no?

Is new ptr shit out?

Wait that's it.

Literally just that.

[waxen meteor]

what's the update today that takes so long?

[stoic spruce]

When can we talk to realz about pvp? At this point outlaw will be DoA

[jolly sierra]

at this step

never

he dodged us constatly when we tried to talk w him

even trickz tried

[wanton breach]

lul play pve, nerds

[quaint cedar]

Yeah I don't think realz is coming here any time soon

[wanton breach]

[quaint cedar]

Blizz just doesn't give a crap about outlaw in pvp

We had SL. Blizz thinks that's good enough. gg go next expac I guess

[uncut bone]

hey guys, this might be a somewhat sensitive. but after getting some rage in solo shuffle i want a alt just to blow off some steam and troll/open world people.

i want stealth so it is either rogue or dudu. so the actual question is how is rogue for being a open world PITA compared to dudu? can they have some fun trolling moments?

[quaint cedar]

Love watching tons of nerfs to my spec damn near every ptr build with 0 compensation for how the changes affect pvp

[jolly sierra]

go sub rogue and 1 shot some ppl

[uncut bone]

do you think there is a race (apart from gnomes) that infuriates people extra?

[jolly sierra]

pandaren

200%

u will get insulted for being both a furry or a fatass

[uncut bone]

lady panda i take it?

[jolly sierra]

yeah

[thorn pond]

Male blood elf with helm and cloak appearance toggled on

[uncut bone]

and i was thinking maybe goblin to be annoying

[wary spire]

Mechagnome 100%

[jolly sierra]

they are hilarious dying

disagree a little w that

[wary spire]

Imagine being killed by a mechagnome.

[jolly sierra]

i would be mad killed by a panda doing a :3 face constantly

[wary spire]

I would be into it, ngl. Especially if they do the anime dance.

But that's a weeb speaking.

Mechagnomes have no redeeming qualities.

Although usually human players are the most prone to act annoyingly from what I've experienced.

[pastel burrow]

Humans, elves, and orcs have the largest player base and thus the most degenerates. Play either of those and spam sidesteps while u gank a guy out of stealth and you'll tilt them on god

[wary spire]

Spam /laugh as well!

[uncut bone]

haha thanks for the advice, gonna mess around in the char creator. just wanna add one thing... you guys are also evul 🙂

[pastel burrow]

We're playing the most hated class since 1989, it comes with the territory

[thorn pond]

And backpeddle too,

[jolly sierra]

male human paladin

[stoic spruce]

nightelf demon hunter

[pastel burrow]

100% this, show off that you have backpeddle bound while they're in a kidney/cs

[devout glen]

I play Vulpera, I thought it would be insulting

[modest osprey]

I am so confused and annoyed with getting pulled out of stealth for seemingly no reason - are there a bunch of bugs with this right now? I noticed a long time ago that one of the time rift trinkets (the wotlk themed one where when anytime anyone in a parter with you killed someone it healed you) would always pull me out of stealth

[queen geyser]

You. Take the panda pill. Incap people out of nowhere. /dance. Infuriate them with your mere existence.

(Also fun fact, you can get noodles from Ashran that you can use even in rated for a vers buff, panda only)

[viscid ice]

might be a weird question

is warr/shammy a good combo for 2s?

[wary spire]

Looks cool.

[fast cargo]

Enhance/war is good for mongoing ppl down, may run into some issues with certain comps tho. Rsham/war is decent, but could have a better healer. Still viable tho

[halcyon timber]

Many things break stealth on purpose at this point and most likely are not bugs but ways environments / other classes / items purposely break our concealment.

[modest osprey]

I'm assa and I think from reading this discord history that it is my own tier set bonus that is breaking me out of stealth

[halcyon timber]

That’s part of it yes

[viscid ice]

how about warr/frost mage(new pvp players)

[halcyon timber]

And next patch it is sanguine blades doing it so beware my man

[fast cargo]

2p breaks you out of stealth, it sucks. Undead racial can break stealth if it procs from dots. And though it doesn’t happen instantly, SB in 10.2 pops you out too.

Which SB is looking more and more like a waste, the “free” damage only feels good with deathmark or if a target is really low for SD. But I’d rather spam mutilate for more instant dam

[waxen meteor]

Does next season still use this

Or should i sell them before it becomes garbage

[fast cargo]

Would be fun, but you both would need a good class knowledge to push since high. Probably could manage 1800s range though maybe? War just needs a healer or hybrid in arena.

[viscid ice]

i only want to get to 1800

for tmogs xD

[fast cargo]

I think the new crafted pvp pieces need it? Like the ones that have infurious in the name

[fast cargo]

I think it’s possible but wouldn’t be easy, but this late in the season would be your best bet in trying a comp like this lol

[viscid ice]

well we are 2 people wanna hit 1800 or something in s3

for tmog purpose only and a change of only doing raids and m+, ive never played mage

but my friend just told me he wanna go dh instead

[wary spire]

You don't have much time tho.

[viscid ice]

i wont get it now

this is s3 plans xD

[fast cargo]

What class do you play now? Are you just wanting to switch to mage?

[viscid ice]

never played mage tho or pvp i played disc/shadowpriest in m+ and raids(hc)

[chrome schooner]

It is the 2P, yes

[viscid ice]

well we gonna try dh/frost mage to see

[fast cargo]

There’s 2977 ppl in glad range, and it was 2671 last week. I really pray it picks up so I can try for a last weekend push

[waxen meteor]

1800 is not hard especially at season end

you can even try now

i played frost mage for like 1 week and it's 2100 already

last time i touched frost mage was prbably tbc or wlk

[viscid ice]

this plan is for s3

I guess, another question is, what non heal class pairs well with dh

For noobs like us its hard to know, I dont care for "meta" or what ever, just advice 🙂 i do wanna get to 1800 next season

[surreal barn]

That blessing of sacrifice nerf seems interesting

[jolly sierra]

won w ret 4-2 5-1 in a row

im pushing w everything

the 1st reaching 2k1 will be crowned king

[waxen meteor]

You never need a plan for future when you can start now

[viscid ice]

Just need to know what to start with 😆

[waxen meteor]

Start playing now so you have a smooth start at season3, also maybe you just hit 1800 this week already

Play with what you like lol

If your friend does DH you probably better go heal lol

[lucid citrus]

You got this man

[viscid ice]

Thats the thing I didnt want to xD

He can go warr too

[jolly sierra]

im omw ty guy im doing my best

[viscid ice]

Any heal recommendation except priest?

Rsham it seems

[stoic spruce]

I'm very curious of next seasons performance

Let's not beat around the bush. It's fairly obvious it's another Sub season.

[worthy crag]

Like in comparison to other rogue specs or in general?

[sour charm]

Unless tuning makes Assa/Outlaw pump insane numbers its gonna be mainly Sub I think

[wary spire]

Pretty cool bat. Too bad I got it from amazon and so will never use it.

[stoic spruce]

In general

But also other rogue specs

[waxen meteor]

Sub rogue never be OP for more than 2 weeks

[worthy crag]

eh

tier bonus is underwhelming and warriors get 2 intervene charges

idk if its gonna be a "sub season"

[stoic spruce]

It will

I say this without a shadow of a doubt

[inner tartan]

no offense is sup always good in pvp

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

It's not always as good as sub mains want it sure. But it's always good.

[long shore]

Which air head at Blizz thought giving warriors 2 charges of intervene is a good idea

That’s like rogues having 4 charges of shadowstep

[jolly sierra]

never is enough

[hidden mirage]

Why i have feelings that other classes got more changes than our rework ? I mean look at warrior for example, They even got new pvp talents.

[jolly sierra]

warrior S tier confirmed

god i was dced and lose 170 CR

at least the rog isn't the powerhouse

but will push forward anyways

[viscid ice]

So I was playing a bit pvp yesterday(complete ass noob) i was a unholy dk and had a warlock in my group, we got CLAPPED by a warr and lock combo, were we unlucky or is warr lock a good combo

[hidden mirage]

war is counter to DK, if he sits you whole fight, you need to kite him with chains

[viscid ice]

Ah I see

Seemed like a freaking hard combo to beat

Think it was a demo lock

[jolly sierra]

warr is counter because they bypasses all the spell absorb from dk

and the chains

[worthy crag]

24 more wins

100 wins is so tedious beyond belief

[jolly sierra]

fucking third world internet

glad they are letting me keep the mmr

[viscid ice]

Is warlock/warr a good combo? Seem to see it alot

Ele shaman seems decent with warr too, im talking first time pvpers here, or is it more safe if I go healer with my dps duo

[languid ravine]

"4 charges of shadowstep? you re right, way too weak. Lets also give it sacrifice effect"

-airhead, probably

[jolly sierra]

claimed back some of the CR

but its time to sleep guys, see u tomorrow

*or later lol

[worthy crag]

do we know the pvp item level for next season?

like 480+?

[nova viper]

u should live in EU

play with us

on Revencrest

[thick slate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1041295981007863868/1166689157876305970/image.png?ex=654b66f3&is=6538f1f3&hm=b8652f528f10b08ec852f5e7fa74bbe5b117dcf358457b7a0c8368755015ee66&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1041295981007863868/1166689237589041202/image.png?ex=654b6706&is=6538f206&hm=3c145c96fc8ffc513ff7ba4ac5e2902a7c71337a488c903877f5e2c1423282e7&

DH pvp discord hits different

[tawny kestrel]

not entirely wrong to be fair

dh is shit

[thick slate]

Nah its not wrong but the dooming still continues after a giga rework has been announced

Like they think that they’ll still going to be stepped over hahaha poor lads

[viscid ice]

So me and my friend are still talking, he said he can play fury warr/surv hunter any recommendation for double dps? If we like pvp we Will focus on whats good instead

Just want a good combo with warr/dh or surv hunter dps wise

[wary spire]

I say the same annoying shit about the rogues here, haha.

Not the glad part.

But stuff like "Holy chit 2400 is top 40 for rogue spec".

And rework hasn't really done anything for pvp.
We lost mfd for some reason. The damage and auto ToD looks cracked ngl but I worry it'll get us nerfed in the first 2 weeks.

[thick slate]

didnt they already nerf that ?

[wary spire]

They did, to 10% I think. Still.

All targets basically have 10% less hp when it's the most important.

[thick slate]

is it really like that ?

[wary spire]

Or so I've heard.

But im open to hopium.

Maybe new manuvr will play with löng sprint and double feint will save against war's pressure.

We'll see.

Not getting anything else, so need to adapt to what we have now.

[thick slate]

Amen

[stoic spruce]

They'll slap a modifier on kt and call it a day

[minor cape]

this picture gave me a flashback of some meme i saw in like 2015 with this fucking rabbit

i remember laughing like hell but i can't remember what was the meme about

🤪

[quaint cedar]

The thing is the rework doesn't really do too much new for rogue in pvp. Sure, the specs may be overtuned in damage, but that will get nerfed and then we're still mostly the same as before.

Outlaw probably is getting the most significant changes because we actually have a burst now, more access to stealth abilities, and a few extra defensive talents. We also lose find weakness though which combined with the inevitable pve nerfs may be enough to make outlaw overall worse in pvp than it is now.

Hard to tell at this point. We need to see how outlaw does in arena since it's always been the worst bg rogue spec anyways. And see how many nerfs from pve trickle over to pvp

But as far as assa and sub, I just don't think they are that different in pvp really, other than just higher damage numbers. Assa got no new defensive talents other than 2 feints. Sub still seems the same just that shadow blades is big dam now.

I really wish we got a pvp talent refresh or something too. Warriors got more pvp changes than we did lol

[wary spire]

True dat.

[surreal barn]

There will be a lot of sub member berries next season

[wary spire]

Warriors are eating good in general this expansion it feels like.

At least from the outside perspective.

[quaint cedar]

Don't tell them that

They always think they are the underdog class

Even though warrior has never fallen below A tier

[wary spire]

@jolly sierra , what are your thoughts on warrior this season?

I trust you more than I trust the warrior that wanders around here.

[tawny kestrel]

same goes for most people in here

[wary spire]

Right now I'm literally under dog.

[quaint cedar]

lol very true

I do think it depends a bit on whether you multispec on rogue. Rogue always has at least one spec that is A or S tier, but if you only play one spec you can be bad for a long time with no changes (outlaw for most of DF, outlaw and assa in SL S1, etc)

[wary spire]

I just hope we'll get more changes throughout the s3. Before that it was "just wait for rework kekw" for like half a year with close to no adjustments.

[quaint cedar]

Yeah

We're going into the last major patch though which is usually when blizzard afks to work on the next expansion so I'm not sure we're going to get much of anything until 11.0 after this rework goes through

[grand compass]

any1 got any tips on how to not get anally railed by warlocks/warriors?

[surreal barn]

Dont bend over

[grand compass]

I cant help it

[thick slate]

You confused the living hell out of me with these paragraphs, like i get where you’re coming from but you’re contradicting yourself hard

You started it with “the rework doesnt do much” but then said “but sure we’re overtuned in damage”. I dont think this qualifies as not much

Then you were talking about outlaw in arena but immediately jumped to the fact that its the worst rogue bg spec, like how are both related ? Lol

And saying that assa and sub are the same is very wrong btw because one spec plays on bursty setups, looking to one shot someone in 3 cheap shots while the other is a bleed/rot gamestyle that kills people through consistent pressure

[quaint cedar]

lol you just completely misunderstood everything I said.

I mentioned bgs vs arena when talking about outlaw because on ptr no one is testing arena. My point was that it's hard to tell whether the changes end up being a net positive or negative because outlaw already sucks in bgs anyways, which was the only real testing method on ptr because of solo q bgs.

When I said I don't think assa or sub are that different, I meant from their live counterparts, not in relation to each other. Obviously sub and assa have very different playstyles.

[thick slate]

I mean I understood well its just your wording was super weird

Because one paragraph you meant to talk about ptr then the other youre talking about live

[quaint cedar]

And yeah I don't consider more damage to be really different as far as a rework goes. Though I have heard that assa might be playing dance now which would be a significant change. So maybe it's just more sub that isn't too different

I was never talking about live

You just didn't understand what I said

[thick slate]

Having high damage on a class like rogue is something really good btw, because as far as cc goes, we can already lock someone out

Survivability’s been always good except for assa

[quaint cedar]

Yes but damage can change. That doesn't fundamentally change the class at all

Expect nerfs

Once damage is nerfed, what is different? What is new?

[thick slate]

This falls for every class as tuning is bound to happen. But when someone asks about the class i think its better to give the answer about how it currnetly looks without mentioning nerfs that might or might not come, as it’ll fall under the dooming category

[quaint cedar]

I'm an outlaw main, dooming is all I know how to do this expansion lol

[thick slate]

I’d say wait till the patch is live once people have experimented with builds because there’s a ton of stuff that changed

[quaint cedar]

And my point still stands at least for outlaw specifically. If someone asked me right now I couldn't tell you whether it's better or worse. We got some very positive and very negative changes at the same time and without an arena environment to test in.

[thick slate]

Historically every rework turned out super positivr

So just gotta wait and see

[quaint cedar]

Yeah

And our dev did say from the beginning that we weren't getting a ret level rework

I do wish there were at least some pvp focused changes though. Every change seems pretty much geared towards mythic+

[thick slate]

Rogue is a hard class to balance for pvp imo

Like the class is already really good

And has the most tools in the game

I think they’re treading very carefully with it so that we dont get another df s1 launch

Where 1 cheap shot was all that was needed to 100-0 someone

[quaint cedar]

lol maybe for you guys. Outlaw was pretty good at launch and then got destroyed by pve nerfs within like 2 weeks of launch. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens again.

But yeah generally rogue has strong tools

[hidden mirage]

Adding a dispel protection for DM, its all I wish now for this rework.

[thick slate]

Outlaw is currently one of the best 2v2 specs

And has one of the strongest 3s comps

[quaint cedar]

Yeah, only took 8 months to get there

[thick slate]

Yeah i mean you cant be the best on 3 specs

[quaint cedar]

Not the best sure but no spec should be bottom tier for 6+ months straight

Wtf do I pay a sub fee for

[thick slate]

Hint, the fee has sub in it

[quaint cedar]

Lmao

[thick slate]

Jk i think outlaw should turn out way stronger than now

If it stays within this direction

[quaint cedar]

Yeah if we don't get slammed with pve nerfs I think it could be really good

[thick slate]

Pretty much

[quaint cedar]

Biggest concern other than that is losing armor pen but we were good in SL without it

[thick slate]

Yeah dont think its as needed

[quaint cedar]

I'd still prefer to have it because I generally don't like really lopsided matchups

Sometimes that's just how it is though

If we keep strong consistent damage, gain burst, but lose find weakness, that feels like a fair trade

If we get nerfed into the ground and then also lost find weakness, then I'm mad lol

So we'll just have to see what happens with tuning

[thick slate]

Exactly my guy, hopes up

[wary spire]

Assa will probably destroy casters now.

Considering we'll be running dance.

[jolly sierra]

i do, but i play in sanguino lol

[jolly sierra]

ME WARRIOR ME STABLE ME STRONK

[quaint cedar]

Does assa with dance get to spam silences with garrote?

[wary spire]

Yep.

[quaint cedar]

Damn that's nuts

Casters are going to be so pissed

[jolly sierra]

warrior as always will be consistent af

[wary spire]

Praying they'll buff clothies now lol.

[jolly sierra]

maybe S tier with those pvp talents

and buffs

[quaint cedar]

2 charges of intervene is going to be so troll

[nova viper]

zug zug

charges

[jolly sierra]

intervene is versatile af

its funny to see the warrior leap and intervene when u are using ur cds

and then reappear

[long shore]

Warriors are so annoying they can peel every single kill attempt now with 2 intervenes

As if they weren’t already annoying enough

Well does anyone still remember back when intervene was 6 seconds in shadowlands lol

[quaint cedar]

Ret warrior about to become even more stupid than it already is

[jolly sierra]

the only compensation we have about warriors is than most mains are dumb af

so maybe they wont use double intervene

[nova viper]

retribiution warrior

[waxen meteor]

Does warrior has any talent that extend the attacking range like us?

Not like ret range

[quaint cedar]

I mean the 3s comp, ret warrior healer

[wary spire]

Yea, charge.

[quaint cedar]

lol

[jolly sierra]

me charge

best tact against casters

[waxen meteor]

but seriously...

does warrior have anything like that?

Like this of ours

[jolly sierra]

ah

nuh uh

[waxen meteor]

ok! thanks!

This week is the last week of season right?

[jolly sierra]

lemme see

it ends in nov 7th

[jolly sierra]

ye i fkn wanted it like 10 years ago

glad they added it back

[jolly sierra]

alright i took everything back

will keep pushing, if i lose or end with +0 rating im switching to ret

[surreal barn]

Feral does