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#pvp
lucid citrus
jolly sierra
first time?
jolly sierra
dont get too impatient then
my 1st time reaching rival> duelist was like 3 years ago
xdd
jolly bear
Im hoping I can hit 2100 next season
it's just really really complicated and I'm definitely still a noob
jolly sierra
i have my problems too, this shit is a 2014 laptop, so freezes a lot or happens what happened some hours ago w the DC and CR dropping
jolly bear
can someone explain why sometimes when I spam sap or cheap while stealthed sometimes itll just randomly unstealth me and not cast
noble spoke
awwwww yisss, tomorrow is Southshore vs Tarren Mill, time for Roguey fun
wanton breach
can someone explain why sometimes when I spam sap or cheap while stealthed somet...
small indie company hasn't fixed stealth bugs since 2004
jolly bear
okay so I'm not crazy
minor cape
can't play without fuge 
vital void
3-3 -23mmr 4-2 +11 u love to see it , somedays shuffle just isnt it
terse echo
Why people are using Wound Poison while we have amplifying poison & hemotoxin for shiv?
karmic summit
Depends on your team
İf you dont have ms in the team it makes burst healing a lot easier
Making it harder to score killing blows
terse echo
Are they stackable? I mean are they stacking up to 50% healing reduction?
stable urchin
wary spire
If tuning won't be completely bonkers sub will be the only real choice.
If we don't take preference into account.
sour charm
Just never que into any team with a posion dispel and assa will fuck
#believe
wanton breach
so no monks, druids, shamans or paladins?
vital void
no evoker either
wanton breach
those shouldn't exist to begin with
surreal barn
can someone explain why sometimes when I spam sap or cheap while stealthed somet...
You can /stopattack macro your sap, it’s what I did
noble spoke
Are they stackable? I mean are they stacking up to 50% healing reduction?
To my knowledge MS from different sources doesn’t stack
chrome schooner
Why people are using Wound Poison while we have amplifying poison & hemotoxin fo...
Because Wound Poison is permanent while Hemotoxin is not. Also against many comps you want three honor talents that are not Hemotoxin.
And no, both effects do not stack
waxen meteor
it's just really really complicated and I'm definitely still a noob
Don’t worry! You will get there
Still keep trying this season after 1800!
waxen meteor
Because Wound Poison is permanent while Hemotoxin is not. Also against many comp...
@terse echo and also wound can be applied to multiple targets, so your multiple dots are harder to heal, but deadly but there are impacts
chrome schooner
Yeah. Although to be fair ever since it became a stackable debuff it had a lesser impact on cleave because it very often falls and has to be restacked to 5
terse echo
I dont get it but i’ll try.
chrome schooner
What do you not get ?
waxen meteor
Yeah which part is confusing, it's quite straight forward
terse echo
Everyone is recommending hemo + wound for 2s. If i’ll choose hemo and they wont stack up, why should i use both of them?
chrome schooner
You shouldn't use Hemo
waxen meteor
I am not sure who is the everyone that recommends hemo
chrome schooner
Not everyone is recommending it either
chrome schooner
Basically you only play Hemo if no other honor talent has any value in the match
waxen meteor
probably you were reading something a little bit dated
waxen meteor
even when you don't need disarm, control is king or others is probably better than hemo now
dark kernel
terse echo
I'm building my setup like that ; Dragon-Tempered Blades > Poisons (Amplifying - Deadly - Crippling - Atrophic or Numbing) > Hemo as PvP
Stealth Garrote > Serrated > Rupture > Kidney > Blood Fury + Trinket macro > Thistle Tea > Deathmark
- Use Shiv at 40% or less enemy HP then kill
waxen meteor
You use shiv regardless of hemo
terse echo
Hemo gives 30% healing reduction for 9 seconds so i can keep it on enemy for 16 seconds. So its give me a chance to kill.
terse echo
So i won't need amplifying poison anymore right?
waxen meteor
Way less people use amplifying poison this season
Your build (talent) and what you describing is more s1
Early S1 actually
I think we put the poison dmg talent behind long ago
chrome schooner
Also for some reason you have a point in Improved Wound Poison despite saying you don't use it
Flawed logic !
waxen meteor
I do use amplifying without wound talent when pairing with arm warrior in solo etc.
but majority of cases i still use wound
terse echo
Flawed logic !
I'm not using it, changed to* test something.
waxen meteor
the point is, with that tiny % of healing reduction, it doesn't worth it
it worthe way less than bomb/cloak and disarm as long as you are not playing against 3 casters
cloak -> almost a bubble
bomb -> great chance to kill or force trinket
disarm -> we know what it means when we are at receiving end of it 🙂
waxen meteor
I'm building my setup like that ; Dragon-Tempered Blades > Poisons (Amplifying -...
I just realized you are not using ER as well
It feels quite good for sin
jolly bear
You can /stopattack macro your sap, it’s what I did
that’s so stupid because sap doesn’t even issue an attack command 😂 other guy was right small indie company
surreal barn
It’s not that - it’s bc I might already be queued to auto attack and with acrobatic strikes you can accidentally tap your opponent before being able to sap
It just prevents me from being an idiot
jolly sierra
that’s so stupid because sap doesn’t even issue an attack command 😂 other guy w...
big meanie
jolly bear
lmao no not him I’m talking about blizzard
jolly bear
It’s not that - it’s bc I might already be queued to auto attack and with acroba...
if you’re gonna sap them how would you have an auto attack queued? I’m gonna do that btw I just have to log in to put the stop attack command.
surreal barn
Tab
Tab mid combat and if you were attacking it will just keep attacking
Like if healer comin out of blind and Im in dance and tab sap it can happen
Or if you right clicked a target far away by mistake and got close it would auto them, but spamming sap would prevent it if stopattack is there. I mean this is only if you’re a key spammer like myself
waxen meteor
oh nice game is kidding me
skirmish i queued 4 rounds
1 v 2
1 v 2
2 v 3
1 v 3
gotta be kidding me
jolly sierra
1 v 2
1 v 2
2 v 3
1 v 3
working as intended
languid ravine
Not taking Shadowstep on Assa is the equivalent of lobotomizing yourself because you might become a genius if your brain works a little different than before
waxen meteor
Yeah I didn’t really even pay attention to rogue tree
austere thorn
Hello
I just came back to prep for s3
Did they delete evokers yet?
surreal barn
Buffed
waxen meteor
Hello
I just came back to prep for s3
Did they delete evokers yet?
Just had my aug level 70
tbh the skills look so confusing to me
jolly sierra
played SS again with ww
got back my CR
and a little more MMR
got it cuz a ret ragequitted a lot
tight eagle
I normally 2v2 with a MM Hunter, but I'm wondering how sub rogue does with a Healer? I'm worried I wouldn't do enough dmg on my own; is that warranted? Or with a good cc chain is rogue/healer 2's still good?
jolly sierra
sub works better with dps like a mage or a hunter
tight eagle
ok, bet. That's kind of what I was thinking
Frost or Fire mage?
Any other DPSers other than Hunter and Mage you'd recommend?
surreal barn
Frost or Fire mage?
Sub/Fire Mage this season is the most fun in arena I’ve ever had
tight eagle
That's kind of what I expected to be honest. Like just trying to line up CC and burst after you got the off target to trinket and use their defensive CD's
tight eagle
Sub/Fire Mage this season is the most fun in arena I’ve ever had
I tried it out for the first time yesterday; Fire mage was a little weak but it was also later at night so who knows lol
jolly sierra
go frost
surreal barn
Fire mage can fart and do big dam are you sure you were with a good one
jolly sierra
its more obnoxious to chase compared to fire as an opponent
tight eagle
Fire mage can fart and do big dam are you sure you were with a good one
Not sure at all to be honest. I just wanted to get a little bit of conquest lol
I'll say I wasn't impressed with his damage lol
He seemed to have a big ego because he told me he usually kicks people after 1 match lol
surreal barn
Real easy to know burst time w fire mage too w/ combustion
tight eagle
yeah, likely he wasn't good thinking back on it. My favorite was pre-game he'd just say "I'm going to sheep the _____ as much as possible" lol instead of trying to coordinate any kind of chain with me
waxen meteor
got back my CR
I got my sin with 42 42 and 60 all instant queues lol
jolly sierra
I got my sin with 42 42 and 60 all instant queues lol
lol gratz
spring bough
my favorite after solo is when you beat someone. then they whisper you talking shit. and then log off before you can even reply /facepalm
quaint cedar
Ok, yeah, fang is super dead in pvp next season
waxen meteor
my favorite after solo is when you beat someone. then they whisper you talking s...
I got a happy whisper today for key gauge on healer 
that survival hunter never bandit my bleed in lobby just do rocket high dmg
I was trying to respond but next queue instant poped lol
Not sure if it’s because too few sin rogue queues
uneven plaza
Just starting to mess around on rogue in pvp. Are all the specs viable? I'm currently playing outlaw
jolly sierra
my favorite after solo is when you beat someone. then they whisper you talking s...
how brave
jolly sierra
Ok, yeah, fang is super dead in pvp next season
nice, another thing to avoid getting
surreal barn
Never farmed them lol
quaint cedar
I'm outlaw, every bit of damage helps lol
jolly sierra
but btw
hope fkn drakebreaker gear for next seaon
season. has a fkn dagger w vers mastery
surreal barn
It doesn’t
tribal badger
Just starting to mess around on rogue in pvp. Are all the specs viable? I'm curr...
outlaws fine ye
jolly sierra
yeah
but
it goes ironically buffed too
cuz it works like a mastery buff
basically
heals urself (untouched)
versa above 70% hp
absorb at low health (nerfed by 50%)
rotund fulcrum
There’s a vers mas dagger from the 2nd boss in new raid with 1 min on use
Haven’t checked what it does tho
stoic spruce
Bro
They should give plunder armor back to outlaw
It's a blizzard style fix to a problem they created on purpose
Maybe not, I just remembered what it did and funny enough didn't reduce their armor amount.
Bring this back
jolly sierra
when i checked plunder armor in the first place
i thought it could strip the opponent and reduce their stats lol
quaint cedar
Wait there was a world where we had CDR on blind and cloak? lol wtf
Also would love to see plunder armor come back
stoic spruce
Plunder armor was the most okay pvp talent ever
stoic spruce
i thought it could strip the opponent and reduce their stats lol
Just health and damage by 10% lol
stoic spruce
Wait there was a world where we had CDR on blind and cloak? lol wtf
We had a lot of cool shit compared to now
I like looking how abilities have evolved over expansions
A lot of times you go "we could really use this right now"
For example
I could really use this right now
halcyon timber
Wait there was a world where we had CDR on blind and cloak? lol wtf
Combat had time off evasion / sprint / improved recuperator / reinforced leather for 50% more armor . Etc and some other neat talents I can’t remember. I think the talents were called Endurance for Combat back in those days. 10 sec kidney shot at one time, I think it was in cataclysm. Mace stuns were ultra goofy but warriors had something like that too if I remember.
Subtlety always had cheaper stealth abilities much like now, harder hitting stealth abilities, ignored armor through serrated blades / FW (back when it was 100%), hemorrhage as the cheap builder to apply sanguinary vein, hard backstabs. Yes in the old trees 30sec off cloak / vanish from subtlety elusiveness (i think it was, its been years),
Assassination had deadly brew / hard mutilates / ambush was useful and finally is again / lots of eviscerate and poison nodes back in wrath / bc. Cataclsym had hunger for blood which was weird and then vendetta came out at some point but I don't remember. I think they could refresh expose armor or had a longer lasting one or some jazz like that too.
Combat also had kick where it could silence instead and broke roots from sprint i believe
spring bough
its a lot of fun pressing sprint now and going nowhere lol
stoic spruce
Boarding Party is a better speed talent than a pvp talent modifying sprint
exotic dove
So concerning Assa on ptr since sanguine blades talent is still breaking stealth I honestly think its not worth taking damage seems good without it. I don't want to deal with Assa teir set from this season anymore in talent form lol
halcyon timber
Agreed man, no idea what the direction is with it but probably a safe assumption. Would be nice if that was updated in the tooltip at least to let Assassins know before they poked around with it.
exotic dove
With further testing without sanguine blades the damage is still decently higher against a player compared to live. So whether its taken or not we will still feel better fo rsure
halcyon timber
Right on, that's a nice bump at least
exotic dove
Yeah this could change since tuning isn't complete but still a good positive too look too. One of the reasons for the positive net increase over live is internal bleeding also applying off rupture. I would like to use sangine blades but the bug is not worth
jolly sierra
i was healed from gnome disease
halcyon timber
Yeah this could change since tuning isn't complete but still a good positive too...
yeah internal bleeding working on 6s for rupture is pretty sick. Does that count for venomous wounds too? might add up in extra leeching too.
halcyon timber
Right on, I just give a flip about all 3 rogues being solid and ending the arms race that this thread has unevolved into. Not "i'm better than you 😛 " nonsense. Just being solid, not "op" just solid.
exotic dove
It doesnt I read the talent on ptr it says only garrote and rupture that applies to venonous wounds
Yeah I want that too
All 3 being solid
halcyon timber
the infighting has to stop, bad enough other classes war against us. Don't need our own kind doing it too.
halcyon timber
hunters will argue over stale bread
and Dh think if the hunt doesn't 70%-0 people that it's "bad". MFs are doing 50k ticks of dots and 300k hits from direct damage.
exotic dove
Yeah they wont be happy unless the Hunt one shots all the time
halcyon timber
saw ragefire getting bumped back up to where it was pre nerfs, going to be dangerous along with the potential triple burning taco bell fire stacks and lots of healing from all that too.
I try to keep an eye on other classes so we aren't coming up guessing what the heck x class received
exotic dove
Yeah will have to adapt as usual. As far as the PTR goes I doubt anything will be added at this point outside of bug fixes and tuning. Overall the improvements to Sub and Assa are welcomed could there have been more yes but overall my Rogues are ready for next season. Seeing what they do tuning wise will let me know what I need to adjust build wise if possible.
Going to focus on live for end of season stuff now with friends in 2s and Solo Shuffle.
halcyon timber
Right on, i'm a bit busy or i'd play. I've been very spotty with how busy grad school is but definitely plan to actually play next season. Hopefully tuning isn't ridiculous and rogues avoid being stun bots
exotic dove
Oh forgot to mention Outlaw needs Armor pen I mentioned baking it in quick draw talent
on feedback thread
halcyon timber
Oh forgot to mention Outlaw needs Armor pen I mentioned baking it in quick draw ...
that would be slick and makes sense. I see no reason why not. We've been fighting on there for our Outlaw friends. I may not know jack about Outlaw but I'll support them any way I can.
exotic dove
Right on, i'm a bit busy or i'd play. I've been very spotty with how busy grad s...
Yeah I dont think Assa will be a stun bot but Sub could end up like but I dont think it will. (possible copium) Outlaw sorry Outlaw friends feels like a stun/utility bot right now unfort
halcyon timber
Can't remain that way and it's uncool. Shouldn't be "oh well Outlaw friends".
exotic dove
It should not be like that I agree
just give outlaw armor pen
Outlaw losing find weakness was horrible
halcyon timber
Stunbot isn't fun at all, I know we bump heads with the pvers but when they come up with silly tools and try to prune rogue stuff out because "it's not a dmg increase" type arguments it spills over into our world.
Yeah i'm not who the pvp team is or who makes decisions but I wish we had a better way of showing them / requesting that to them specifically.
exotic dove
Blizz just need to be more transparent too
halcyon timber
Tune outlaw high > they crush clothies and then they gripe and get nerfed. Return Outlaw ARP by some way and it's good for fighting anyone without crushing Clothies. I see no issue here.
exotic dove
I am going to mostly play Sub and Assa for example like always but probably not great for Outlaw to turn into another MM Hunter having weak damage against plate and super high absurd damage on cloth
So giving outlaw armor pen would be way better
halcyon timber
Agreed, plenty of talents to add that onto or whatever in their own unique way.
heck, could even be dispatch activates it or something I dunno if they are too worried about outlaw being cool
Our Outlaw friends should be wanting to play, not dreading it.
exotic dove
Yep 100%
halcyon timber
Really happy with the class tree though. Lots of different options to customize on and glad a lot changed for our specializations instead of "1 style/focus"
uneven grove
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_7.0.3_(class_changes) go crazy
game just had more depth back then, not 20 proc and random shit like nowadays
there are classes which don't have dedicated designers rn anyway
stoic spruce
Yeah was good
long shore
Some toxic healers in my shuffle blaming the sub rogue saying their damage is low… when they are not watching DRs and making enemy healer immune to stuns
How would you respond?
“Trash sub rogue Low dmg, healer claims he does more dmg than the sub rogue”
noble spoke
"You procced Precog"
languid ravine
“Trash sub rogue Low dmg, healer claims he does more dmg than the sub rogue”
They DO get pretty close sometimes and I do not like it
worldly girder
man sub in shuffle is so miserablew
people putting random stuff on stun DR, constant pseudo CCs cuz we have no clean cross
long shore
people putting random stuff on stun DR, constant pseudo CCs cuz we have no clean...
You forgot about pressing shadowdance and their weakauras start blasting airhorns, and you get disarmed/feared/stormbolted/coil/intervene
worldly girder
yeah thats exactly what happens lmao
warriors bladestorming every 30s or some shit while taking me 100-0 during it
i feint it and i still take mad dam
long shore
Yup and you realize the kill target got triple DR lasso by the ele shaman in your team
So he is immune for the next 22 seconds
The sub rogue life bro
Just as DRs were about to reset 😅
worldly girder
night and day diff between 3s and shuff too
finally got 1800 set in shuffle though im def not pushing on rogue in shuffle
twin burrow
anyone messing with big ER and goremaws during dance with rotten
surreal barn
At one point I did but it was nerfed in a patch soon after
twin burrow
it still feels super strong.. hmm.. also.. my sepsis is hitting like a truck
surreal barn
Tbh better to just rotten sepsis and us PV on goremaw
long shore
I feel like you can’t say mean things about peoples mom though. The risk of getting banned suspended is too high
Probably just /ignore and move on 😦
Sensitive culture these days
twin burrow
ah the rotten works with sepsis i didnt realise thats why its truckin
thanks z
do you guys KS->CS-CS in ur goes typically/ideally?
opposed to CS>CS>CS
minor cape
do you guys KS->CS-CS in ur goes typically/ideally?
it depends on the situation, both are fine really
languid ravine
do you guys KS->CS-CS in ur goes typically/ideally?
if you expect a trinket from the target CS > Kidney is better most of the time, so you ll always have at least 3 sec of stun
âlthough with short dance you kinda have to kidney first
vague verge
wanna start pvp again, goal would be to get the glad mog 🙂 is assa or sub easier to get the rating for solo?
waxen meteor
man sub in shuffle is so miserablew
yeah and you got complained because your dmg is low
some low cr lobbies are just miserable for sub
you actually feel easier in higher lobby
tbh even sin sometimes is the similar
waxen meteor
wanna start pvp again, goal would be to get the glad mog 🙂 is assa or sub easie...
Sub this season
but you don't get glad from solo
vague verge
Sub this season
ok sounds good, was always a fan of sub 🙂
waxen meteor
1.8k you could do with either one, play with what you have more passion
1.8k solo is still a lot of zug zug, sin can be even easier
vague verge
yeah wanna go for easy this time, got older and had a long break from gaming in general 😄
waxen meteor
and you may randomly get some crazy teammate, so having bigger dmg is a lot easier for yourself
My Sin solo is around 2.2, it's not that bad.
Even it's in F tier from lots of tier list lol
vague verge
😄 oh then you're good
yeah gonna try my best to do the last levels and farm my gear... maybe it will work out
elite set looks really good this time
waxen meteor
well gear is very easy this season, especially we use a lot of craft gera
you don't even need to worry too much to catch up for gem
vague verge
sounds good, don't have university till next tuesday, so I got a lot of time to spend
languid ravine
I was 2.2k rating two days ago and today I am fighting with and against 1500 healers :^)
waxen meteor
Fuck, just about to nail next alt to 2100 and peopel quit
was 3 win of 3 rounds
Nice this number again
wary spire
I was at 2040, now at 1940.
waxen meteor
last week, my DH alt was 2099, then i kept losing to 189x
wary spire
Marvelous.
waxen meteor
now it's back to 1950 ish but anyway, i will try to finish hunter alt 2100 first
I think I was getting a bit mad playing dh
but now hunter is 2090 lol, same place yesterday once more
this game really hates me
and people quit when i got a arcane mage in my lobby :((((((((
I feel autowin when playing marksman in a mage lobby.... (especially fire or arcane)
surreal barn
Getting the 3rd shuffle rogue to 2.1k and being a little bitch instead of pushing main
And you’re right about assa in shuffle, yeah it’s harder to land a kill but the whole experience is more fun in the zug
waxen meteor
one problem is low lobbies is also healer
you die randomly
so you had to use CD in a condition you don't need to in high lobbies
waxen meteor
then when you really need CD, you don't have it anymore haha
surreal barn
I’m kinda tanky
waxen meteor
yeah, i saw a post in chinese, someone ranks 1st in NA solo as Sin
his opinion is as i shared last time, just go full vers
sin dmg will be good anyway
stay alive, dmg and cc then win
surreal barn
Yeah I’m topping the damage even with the few MM I’ve faced
waxen meteor
44% vers
surreal barn
But they may have sucked
waxen meteor
so you are him
surreal barn
I have the head and wrist engineers versa
waxen meteor
If i didn't pause this season i would try this too
been missing gem spot so crafted rings!
surreal barn
Only reason I even bothered was to refresh assa before s3 since sub feels trash
I’m sure it will be meta but I can’t go back to that s1 playstyle
surreal barn
Nah sub will be it trucks but it’s like even more cd dependent than now
Right now if you have a symbols and dance up you can spank
PTR? Shadow blades required
waxen meteor
yeah manually focus
but it's just a right click on arena frame
nothing too complicated
sometimes i focus on my teammate in case they don't communicate before gate opens
like who do we go
silence....
then sometimes i need to check his target way more often
jolly bear
yeah but im running out the gate trying to sap
so its hard to do that idk maybe im smooth brained
oh you know what
i move with my mouse thats why its hard
you just use W to run forward and your mouse is free
ima use auto run for a sec until it focuses lmao
surreal barn
As assa I’ve been stingy with my sprint, so if that warrior leaps to his death with no sap so be it
I usually just tab the healer or mouseover macro lol, I’d be better off using focus.
waxen meteor
oh my fucking god
another lobby for marksman
1:0 then another person quit
#)%(@%($#@^$_@(
languid ravine
everyone who plays a hunter log onto them right now
waxen meteor
it was already a 37 mins queue thanks
languid ravine
healers are ultra trash today
waxen meteor
imagine 37 mins queue for 1 round
languid ravine
:^)
waxen meteor
and 2cr
languid ravine
its okay you ll get there by 2025
waxen meteor
they annouced?
so i think my screenshot before was right, everytime when there are 5 time walks straight, it's seaosn end
languid ravine
season end at Nov 7 according to some article
waxen meteor
OK 2130 after instant queue
the aug totally dominated the game, but gladly i stole 1 win
waxen meteor
aug in my lobby only lost 1, was quite good
but i kited the DH too easily
when aug runs too far, and dh chased to middle of the map....
i swapped and game over...
jolly sierra
oh
waxen meteor
I feel DH is very good against Mage, can chase them a lot easier than most melee specs
but very limited againt hunter
jolly sierra
imagine monks
which needs to chase a target
goes frost novaed sure, tiger lust
then the guy snares away and blink
hunters are good af kiting now as MM
the class which fucks them hard in that are rogs and warriors tho
cuz they can both stop them or insta reach them
jolly sierra
ironically
languid ravine
first game I queue Outlaw I get a full smorc lobby with the 2.1rating UhDK having petstun on auto
:^)
and two weak ass holy priests
jolly sierra
queued with a dk match
which did like twice the overall dmg than other players
how tf i climb w that
jolly bear
dude framesort is op
waxen meteor
What is framesort 
languid ravine
my hard melee Arms warrior thinks DH is the best target who has 2million selfheal, 20 mobility spells, can dodge stuns while blur has 1 minute cooldown and lets you dodge hard melee attacks from all sides
jolly sierra
dunno how ur matches are
but my last one got a 400 cr healer which blamed the dk for healing like shit
the guy ended 0-6
languid ravine
I got another 6-0 marksman where two holy priests constantly get outplayed somehow
even the fresh demolock got 2 wins kek
jolly sierra
bruh is either the 6-0 healer or dps today
languid ravine
feels like nobody is ever adapting
like the Ret is always holding W with monitor turned off
the feral doesnt even try to fakecast or play around spell reflect
just send it anyways
lmao
surreal barn
dude framesort is op
Yeah I use it for tricks of the trade lol
Can just macro into burst
jolly sierra
won 4-2 against an aff which was made of paper
the problem is overall i lost 30 CR today
going monk to see if im lucky
jolly sierra
lol
thick slate
can someone please briefly tell me the opener with echoing reprimand build ?
Im overcapping on CPs
jolly bear
sub?
thick slate
ye
jolly bear
idr how I would even overcap
thick slate
then tell me how its done
jolly bear
it depends on what talents you have like first dance and improved ambush and premed
jolly bear
do you just prefer dark brew over the rotten? I don’t see anything that stands out
thick slate
dark brew gets chosen if you're playing echoing reprimand
jolly bear
cheap shot sd evis er ss evis ss is what I would do
and another cheap if you’re chaining
thick slate
when you cheap shot sd evis, you'd be at 5+ cps ?
wait
where's secret tec
your opener is off
jolly bear
i think there’s a link to the exact opener somewhere here lemme see if I can find it
thick slate
😄
jolly bear
damn that shit isn’t there
they don’t have one for ER
I’d research youtube specifically putting ER
I have to reddit and youtube a lot of stuff for this game 😂
thick slate
Thats way too complicated, someone can literally type it here in 5 seconds i just need to know exactly what im doing wrong
anyways whoever can provide his echoing reprimand opener, that would be nice. ty
jolly bear
whenever I ask for help in game chats they always tell me to google and stop being lazy lmao
I’m just like okay whatever
thick slate
lol
tawny kestrel
its just the same rotation as in season 1
thick slate
i dont know how it was in season 1, made my rogue in s2
tawny kestrel
dance > cheap > evis > er > cold blood > secret tech
u might have to restun before secret tech
but cant remember
jolly sierra
@long shore its ur moment
thick slate
symbols > Cheap > dance > evisc (here i should have 5+ cps right?) > ER > coldblood > secret tech or shadow strike then secret tech if im not on max cps
that it ?
tawny kestrel
the evis doesnt matter, u do it just to get deeper daggers
u play first dance so u will be at 5+ combo points regardless
thick slate
isnt it good for danse stacks ?
thick slate
Yeah makes sense
jolly bear
is it worth to use a 5 point evis if your max is 7?
tawny kestrel
ur max is 6 with er
jolly bear
oh then yeah
jolly bear
I’ve had 7 for a long time
tawny kestrel
first dance is 4 and cheap shot is 1
thick slate
Subterfuge isnt being played with ER build right ?
tawny kestrel
u can if u want
thick slate
Alright
tawny kestrel
u can drop tight spender
worthy crag
Have people shared a pvp sub build for 10.2? I just rejoined the server
waxen meteor
Welcome back!
languid ravine
new Tech for 2k rated Arms warrior just dropped:
Heroic Leap, then use Fear shout on ONE guy, followed by instantly breaking it with Mortal strike
they'll never see it coming
there werent even secondaries nearby lmao
for anyone still confused:
that was the first half of the opener
the second half was dying LoS 10 sec later
you thought it was impossible but the madlads keep coming up with insane new strats
proven kayak
are the enchants gonna be the same? so maybe i buy them now in a lower price ?
languid ravine
they arent higher currently?
jolly sierra
now got a match w a sore loser hpal which afked the round after losing a lot in a row
lost 14 CR for his outcry
last one for today
no matter what happens
languid ravine
my healer is getting soloed by a Frost DK in the opener, second worst spec in the game with 10 sec ramp time :^)
SOLOED
quaint cedar
lol just more of shuffle being the best game mode ever
so glad we killed arenas for this
languid ravine
but are they gnna be the same ?
I would expect them to drop with all the enchanters returning to the game
they probably got a trillion dust stored somewhere too
or whatever enchanters these days snort use
oh god both healers in my lobby survived with 0,05% hp
buttclenched
jolly sierra
0 CR
the hunter managed to kill someone
and then instadie in next match
all because both the ele and the hunter decided to focus the DH instead
cmon u are at 1k9
how tf u focus a dh having a hunter or a shaman in the other team
wary spire
Guess who had a great experience of dying every round.
Poor bastard had an honor level ~0.
jolly sierra
bruh
long shore
How do you guys convince yourselves to enjoy solo shuffle as Sub?
Ret paladins every game 😡😡
stoic spruce
Stockholm syndrome since real arenas are dead
long shore
Rets are probably the easiest class to hit high rating with least skill
stoic spruce
Fell in love with the captor
jolly sierra
Rets are probably the easiest class to hit high rating with least skill
unless u get the 6-0 healer or dps
tribal badger
sometimes when im on my ret i forgot to stay within 8 yards for autos and kicks
cause every other ability is a 20-30 yard range
class is silly
thick slate
Bro arms warrior feels surprisingly good in solo shuffle
im afraid of playing it too much that i'd end up enjoying it more than rogue
that was a lobby i had 2 days ago
minor cape
dat midrange
ret is that guy in a wheelchair with a shotgun from alien movies
thick slate
im surprised i went 6-0 against these damn classes, was expecting a 0-6
my ilvl was also like 445 ish with no embellishments
sour charm
Depends on the situation ofc
If your team already has CC on the healer/is about to, and you want to create a 1v3 situation then why not cheap/gouge the other dps
worldly gale
Hi !
I'm starting to play PvP a bit more seriously ( if i can say so... ) but i feel really really behind and under performing, wich is really frustrating. It's like... Everyone is two steps ahead.
I have so many questions, and i know i need to know more about basics, not only about rogue stuff. Any advices ? :/
I'm mainly playing RBG now btw.
Thanks !
sour charm
Knowing what and when to CC is mostly a game knowledge thing. People can of course tell you "In this sitation do X and in that do Y" but arena (and shuffle more so) has a million variables. Sometimes you need to gouge to save someone, sometimes you gouge extend a CC chain on a healer, sometimes you gouge to stop offheals.
Best tip I can give is to just "play more", even though that sounds pretty bad as advice goes.
sharp sierra
damn sub is gonna be shit tier with the vigor nerf in 10.2
that nerf last night
sheesh lol
waxen meteor
What’s the nerf
wary spire
For sure, if only sub had an ability to make their finishers cost no energy.
languid ravine
cause every other ability is a 20-30 yard range
I played all classes to 1800 and Ret was the final one
Before that I thought it was super good to disarm them, turns out 80% of their buttons is a spell usable without a weapon -_-
and for some reason every single button they press just does a casual 100% cleave damage
tribal badger
ye
the rework was gud
gud spec
they didnt take the wheelchair off instead they gave it a gun
languid ravine
even the wheelchair meme is questionable when you have 25sec CD freedom with 30% movespent and 45 sec Sprint with 2 charges
tribal badger
ye i mean rets the only melee besides dk that has ~30s windows of being fully kiteable with no gap closers
its just that it doesnt matter cause their deadzone is like 30-40 yards for casters and its fairly easy to stay within 30 or 20
being on top of someone is basically just for the 10% damage boost of ur auto attacks and to kick
xd
vital void
do you guys think ret or arms is easier to climb in shuffle
tribal badger
ret i think
more team utility, same overwhelming damage, less lobbies that feel like they hardcounter you
playing arms in triple paladin (2 hpal 1 ret) lobbies is rough
let me just get through 3 bops
but in full melee lobbies i feel better on my warrior
more durable and better cleave + MS
surreal barn
Healer or if kick is on cd and I don’t want him to get a cyclone or something off I’ll use it. Sometimes healer gets DR’d on stuns by someone else and you can use gouge on healer instead before blind. Rarely DPS
waxen meteor
all my alt reaches 2100 other than DH now lol, how
waxen meteor
finally back to 2050+ again and did a 1-5 with 1600 healers
jolly sierra
oof
dude rlly hate low rated healers for ur matches
even more if he plays fine without you in the last one
as sometimes happens
sharp sierra
how much rep can i earn from just story quest for valajar/suramar
can i at least hit honored
waxen meteor
Hmm did you post in wrong channel
I guess we would love to help to in pvp channel we might not be expert
sharp sierra
tru dat
how much easier is sub then it now with the rework
here is the better question, can you still kill people within a kidney shot like you can now or no
surreal barn
I’m trying to up my corpse banner usage after a kill. @pale storm didn’t you have a macro that threw a bunch down?
pale storm
I just macrod all my banners, you have to spam it but it’s like:
/use Flag of Ownership
/use Alliance Flag of Victory
/use Warlord’s Flag of Victory
/use Breaker’s Flag of Victory
surreal barn
Oh gotcha
surreal barn
Was trying to make to work on banners as well with @player macros but no luck
worldly gale
Guys, when you shadow duel someone near the flag to help your mate to cap, if your target is close it still can spin to anticap, right ?
surreal barn
Yeah
jolly sierra
the aoe is still done
tight eagle
does the spore cloak count as embellishment like the kick/primary stat boots?
surreal barn
Yes
tight eagle
are those the two I want then? seems like it, no?
jolly bear
maybe this is a dumb question but with shadowy duel, when you use it you get access to stealth. you use shadow dance, you can still use shadowy duel. can you use shadow dance inside shadowy duel?
cuz when im in regular stealth it greys out shadow dance
languid ravine
maybe this is a dumb question but with shadowy duel, when you use it you get acc...
literally queue skirmish and find out 30 seconds later
but I m 99% sure you can because you arent in stealth, just able to use stealth abilities
jolly bear
if you cant then that mean you HAVE to use sd then shadowy duel or else its pointless right
jolly sierra
played as WW a zug match rn
ended 4-2, almost all time i ran away from both dps and then used my cds
jolly bear
typical ww play
jolly sierra
i did well then
played another one
a rsham complained for wrong queuing
then the warr dced and i lost 2 cr in next match
30m just for that XD
proven kayak
To me is insane 2,2k ppl can’t press defensives not right (not overlapping etc) I mean at all they dying without using them I guess most ppl wait to get very low to use wall or immunity
worthy crag
2.2k is very very very far from optimal play level
waxen meteor
fucking 2050 lobby with a 49 CR heal
the fuck
simply don't know how to play, like at all
a ret went 3 games against him and got 3-0
then he said to rdruid, if you don't want to play, just quit
then druid quit
he exits 3 wins happily
worthy crag
Lmao
wary spire
Oof
twin burrow
if you cant then that mean you HAVE to use sd then shadowy duel or else its poin...
I wouldn't say so. The idea is to kill in the duel, so you would want to use dance for the modified damage. The use of stealth abilities is just to make sure the duel has some value even if you can't dance in it.
waxen meteor
To use stealth skill in duel, the value is probably only when you use it on healer, you can do a cheap shot right before releasing healer back
If you want to execute then you almost surely want to use dance with it as retros said
surreal barn
if you cant then that mean you HAVE to use sd then shadowy duel or else its poin...
You can dance in duel.
alpine geode
Are rogues good for arena and ss ? I’m currently playing a lock and it’s rough against melee cleaves , is rogue an easier route
stoic spruce
Exhuasting
quaint cedar
Yup
Realz was in chat, so I asked about HO nerf affecting pvp, but didn't get an answer this time.
Hopefully it gets addressed at some point
And the armor pen as well
He did say the 6% nerf is offset a bit by the grand melee bug fix earlier this week
Still worried though
I have the sinking feeling we're going to get destroyed by pve nerfs again like in 10.0
marble oasis
Yeh instead you got chewed out by all the 3 year olds in outlaw chat at the time….
languid ravine
Exhuasting
context?
surreal barn
Assa buffs 
marble oasis
4 set also works with mastery and shiv now
the buff was expected to be 2% of pve damage to 3% but after testing it's 7.5%
So i imagine it's very valuable in pvp now also
envenom hitting like a truck
which it didn't before this recent change
surreal barn
Yeah, and I was testing w this rogue and sanguine blades doesn’t break stealth anymore
It can however trigger combat which might be irritating
worldly girder
Man I'm sad find weakness is gone from combat
One thing that kept it viable into plate
marble oasis
combat 👀
That's been dead 6 years
wary spire
Yeah, and I was testing w this rogue and sanguine blades doesn’t break stealth a...
That's big.
Don't know how the pooling of energy will work out in pvp tho.
marble oasis
I want to see that hunter on the forums now they fixed it xD
quaint cedar
Yeh instead you got chewed out by all the 3 year olds in outlaw chat at the time...
Yup. You mention the 3 letters "pvp" and those kids go rabid on you. Honestly embarrassing how those channels behave. I really wish we didn't have to use this discord to talk to realz and give feedback. The other channels are so blatantly toxic to pvp for no reason. The question I asked had 0 harmful implications for pve stuff.
quaint cedar
Man I'm sad find weakness is gone from combat
Yeah I've been making as much noise about it as I can. I asked realz in discord a while back and he said he was aware of it being a potential issue for pvp and was going to "wait and see". Which might mean we go live without FW and then possibly get armor pen added back later.
nova viper
fucking augvokers
sexooooooooooo
marble oasis
Yup. You mention the 3 letters "pvp" and those kids go rabid on you. Honestly em...
exactly fella. like the removal of MfD.
that cripples assassinations opener.
"was removed to avoid button bloat for pve"
No one played it anyway!!!!!
quaint cedar
Yeah, pretty sure all 3 rogue specs just took 7 CP in pve anyways. Honestly MFD should have never been on the same choice node as deeper strat. And now it's gone.
marble oasis
indeed. like sure we'll get used to opening with cheap no problem. but having that pocket kidney was very strong and imo needed for assa to survive. as it was basically our only oh shit button.
but we'll see
i can see Sub being really strong in the first few weeks due to it's insane healing
quaint cedar
Yeah I bet the healing talents will get a pvp modifier slapped on eventually
And they'll throw in a free outlaw nerf too just for fun
They love doing that
marble oasis
indeed. secret tech isn't apparently working with the healing/shield talent properly yet
quaint cedar
I'm not surprised, outlaw still has tons of bugs too
Devs don't have much time left to fix these things
Patch is coming out on nov 7th
I wonder if we'll get pvp tuning
They usually do that in the last week or two of ptr
marble oasis
Oh we’ll 1000000% get pvp tuning but it’ll be in the season.
So week 1 and to pump as hard as possible then give up till the end of the season in 5 months when we finally get bug fixed😂
wary spire
Our damage will be brought back to somewhat current level but our defensives are arguably worse than now. 
With no cloak, less vers, no mfd kidney.
Not really hyped about 2 charges of feint.
jolly sierra
sexooooooooooo
SEXOOOOOOO
nova viper
SEXOOOOOOO
sup dude
marble oasis
Our damage will be brought back to somewhat current level but our defensives are...
but that 6% leech though 
wary spire
That leech buff that specifically didn't affect pvp.
marble oasis
i mean the base one
marble oasis
still so dumb they didn't let that follow through when other specs got amped survivability like wut
wary spire
"Assa m+ update".
And that's pretty much it.
Like, haven't seen any pvp consideration there. Other than for touch of death nerf that was warranted but like.
"We don't care about assa in pvp, just don't be ret redesign levels of broken" and that's it.
hidden mirage
Yeah, and I was testing w this rogue and sanguine blades doesn’t break stealth a...
Still breaking stealth unfortunately.
Same with sudden demise, nothing was fixed
not even the abberus 2set 🤣
untold remnant
Why is RMP so hard to play 🥺
hidden mirage
Like, haven't seen any pvp consideration there. Other than for touch of death ne...
I wish they would alteast fix Deathmark to not be completely trash ability that can be dispelled, dodged or parried.
marble oasis
fyi deathmark can't be parried
but i agree it being dispellable is like the ultimate castration of the spec in pvp
old tinsel
Im a 443 PvE andy with 35% vers 23%mast 35% crit should I buy myself a set of crafted pvp gear before stepping foot into pvp?
jolly sierra
ur versa is even better than most ppl here
just use a couple of pvp trinkets and a pvp wep in the main hand and u are good
hidden mirage
fyi deathmark can't be parried
it can be dodged, so I assume parry would work similar way on it, didnt tested.
marble oasis
yeh i thought the same but someone pointed it out it's removed from parry table
old tinsel
just use a couple of pvp trinkets and a pvp wep in the main hand and u are good
Ty ty, Should I grab myself crafted pvp weapons? or just go beat my head against a wall in random bgs for honor weapon
surreal barn
Still breaking stealth unfortunately.
Garrote and rupture someone then spam stealth you should still be able to
marble oasis
i think in general stuff that is a major CD in the form of a debuff shouldn't be dispellable.
we can't purge people's major buff cds so not sure the disparity.
surreal barn
I’ll go back and test it a little later after work
hidden mirage
Garrote and rupture someone then spam stealth you should still be able to
you can restealth, but you instantly drop stealth, I just tested it on the PTR, its still the same bug.
and you get combat aswell
surreal barn
Weird, it was only combat and not dropping stealth for me
Are you running subterfuge
Subterfuge has some weird interactions
hidden mirage
yes subterfuge
jolly sierra
Ty ty, Should I grab myself crafted pvp weapons? or just go beat my head against...
unless u can craft a 447 fanged weapon in the main hand then just get a conquest pvp weapon
but if u dont have any just use ur regular one until you get a conquest one
but the trinkets are mandatory, even honor ones
surreal barn
yes subterfuge
So lame
jolly sierra
"working as intended"
-blizzard
hidden mirage
more like working as intended"
-bertimus the Hunter
marble oasis
Anyone got their current assa ptr build
i feel like my brain can't comprehend not being a pve zerg
marble oasis
they didn't
jolly sierra
more like working as intended"
-bertimus the Hunter
"how many times we have to teach you this lesson, hunter?"
marble oasis
which is actually rather surprising as the main man who did most of the changes used to compete in competitive pvp as a rogue.
jolly sierra
jolly sierra
which is actually rather surprising as the main man who did most of the changes ...
yeah wtf maybe someone in the HQ forbid him to talk w pvpers
quaint cedar
Outlaw for example has a 2 set bonus that increases opportunity proc chance by 15%. But we also got a nerf slapped onto HO specifically that nerfs the proc chance by 20%, which essentially "restores" the proc chance to live values in pve with the tier set, but in pvp even with the tier set it ends up being lower than live values because the tier set is nerfed by 50%. I don't think anyone thought about pvp at all when making that change
Also outlaw losing FW is so troll
For pvp
maiden gull
Outlaw for example has a 2 set bonus that increases opportunity proc chance by 1...
where do you read it is 50% nerfed in pvp in 10.2?
on ptr it isnt
marble oasis
all sets are nerfed by 50% as default
quaint cedar
You don't have to read it, its already in the ptr
marble oasis
some have received further targeted nerfs
maiden gull
i got 52% ho procc chance on ptr
quaint cedar
Go hit a pvp target and you see the tooltip update to the lower value
quaint cedar
I'm not sure the tooltips ever updated for the 80% nerf
quaint cedar
but if tier set wasn't nerfed you would see the proc chance at 50% with no EB stacks
base 35% + 15% from tier
And with full EB it would be 65%
maiden gull
-20% hence why it is 52 or 53
quaint cedar
Yeah but tier is nerfed
maiden gull
maybe they will bring back enduring brawler to 20% with armor pen
or smth, but tbh i dont have high hopes
quaint cedar
So it's (35% base + 7.5% tier + 15% EB) * .80
Which is 46%
Which is 9% lower than live
And that's pretty trash
maiden gull
yeah as u need th edouble hit to fill your combo points during burst winows
quaint cedar
Right
quaint cedar
We're balanced around having the higher proc chance in pvp with EB being a mandatory talent
So this is just a big pvp nerf for literally no reason
quaint cedar
And I've been trying to provide feedback about it for the last month and haven't gotten any response
quaint cedar
Same. I won't play any other spec because outlaw is just so fun
But man, it sucks being nerfed constantly in pvp because of pve shit
With 0 thought put into how it affects pvp
maiden gull
thats basicly why i stopped playing 2 months into DF
was hoping with the rework things gona change
quaint cedar
Yeah we got dumpstered hard by pve nerfs in the beginning of DF
Not a single pvp buff to compensate
maiden gull
greenskin wickers was fun aswell
quaint cedar
The sad thing is the rework is really fun. Crackshot is super cool, KS actually does stuff again, and more utility from class tree is great
But losing FW might be enough to bury outlaw
maiden gull
yeah but crackshot feels bad if u have to amnbush twice
maiden gull
can only manage to get 2 bte out
quaint cedar
I think the play is to store 6 pistol shot procs and use fan to guarentee generate enough
maiden gull
and this talent with 35% chance to get 5 CP after BTW sucks aswell, make it full Cp and 50%
quaint cedar
That's what the non HO builds have to do too
maiden gull
I think the play is to store 6 pistol shot procs and use fan to guarentee genera...
i only have 6 cp after that aswell
quaint cedar
Yeah. Ace is a cool talent, fun to react to, but I dislike how it adds so much RNG to the burst
Yeah just finish with 6 cp
During crackshot you want to BTE at 5 or higher
Doesn't matter
maiden gull
what build you gonna run?
i just discovered that crackshoit works with subterfuge and under upper hand
quaint cedar
This is what I was planning to run if things stay the way they are now
Yes, crackshot works with any stealth window
Though currently on the ptr it is bugged
maiden gull
no greenskin?
quaint cedar
As of this week's build
maiden gull
ghostly strike without gcd is pretty decent aswell i think
quaint cedar
Yeah GSW I am unsure of. Could maybe drop KS for it
Ghostly isn't worth
Costs too much energy
At least that's what I think
And not really enough points
Probably depends too on how much you want to go all in on burst
Technically the biggest crackshot burst would be with both ghostly and GSW
maiden gull
yeah
quaint cedar
But then you are losing the ability to keep KS as a separate burst button
And no CTO might be a lot worse for sustain
quaint cedar
No you can't
Don't ever drop UHH
UUH
whatever lol
That talent is 100% mandatory
It makes every subterfuge window 6 seconds
So every vanish or restealth is basically another shadow dance
You absolutely need it
maiden gull
or drop cto for gsw
quaint cedar
Maybe yeah
maiden gull
thing is you want one burst window with max damage i think
cto is random
ace up your sleeve is another hit or miss
quaint cedar
The points I am unsure of are KS, Ghostly, CTO, and GSW. I think those last 1 or 2 points could go into any of those, and I'm not sure what is best yet
maiden gull
yeah thats what i thinkl
quaint cedar
The rest is locked in though
maiden gull
but gonna be fun testing things
quaint cedar
Unless you are playing non HO
Which is probably a legit option now in pvp, though I haven't tested it as much
maiden gull
since you dont need an extra button for it now
quaint cedar
Non HO probably looks something like this for pvp btw
The biggest thing I don't like about non HO is that the first stealth window feels very awkward. You really rely on FTH stacks to make use of crackshot, and you won't have any at the start of combat
Also, ER is gross and I'd rather not play it
maiden gull
The biggest thing I don't like about non HO is that the first stealth window fee...
yeah this
quaint cedar
Oh I messed up in the class tree, for non HO you probably want Tight Spender over Improved Ambush
wary spire
I don't think the rogue updates for any spec had pvp in mind at all
This starts to read like "fellas, I'm suspecting Santa isn't real". 
quaint cedar
Having Dispatcher is kind of nice for Crackshot though I will admit. Makes the dispatches hit harder
Yeah, I know pvp will never be a priority for blizz, but man. Some of these changes are just really ignorant to pvp
I guess I had too much faith in blizzard lmao
maiden gull
yeah, really muich stuff to try out
dispatcher is bad if u get cc´d
its a pve talent
i expect some nerfs for rogue in pvp
as usual
quaint cedar
At one point earlier in the ptr I was able to run 2/2 Dispatcher weith HO but that is kind of dead now because energy has been nerfed into the dirt as usual
Not sure what the obsession is with the current team and making us all sit around waiting for energy to come back
Do they think that's just peak rogue gameplay or something? Being energy starved constantly?
Because personally I hate it
quaint cedar
Exactly
No other spec that I've tried has to sit around waiting for resources as much as rogue does
quaint cedar
Warriors are drowning in so much extra rage that a lot of them macro ignore pain to their rotation to spend it
maiden gull
and swift slasher
quaint cedar
No, I think it will be crit
The haste scaling is honestly pretty bad
I've tested it and wasn't impressed
marble oasis
Warriors are drowning in so much extra rage that a lot of them macro ignore pain...
i mean to be fair that ignore pain thing actually made them do more damage
it reset overpower
won't do that in 10.2
languid ravine
It's been nerfed and it effects pvp
yeah okay thats what it shows on the screenshot but I was asking more for things like When, where, how, why, what
surreal barn
Let’s petition for fourth rogue spec
languid ravine
fourth rogue spec: heals enemy for N/per second where N is the damage missing from other rogue specs
quaint cedar
yeah okay thats what it shows on the screenshot but I was asking more for things...
Realz said the nerf is partially offset by the bugfix to Grand Melee. It was supposed to be increasing single target damage by 5% while the buff was active, but it wasn't working. They fixed the bug, but then outlaw needed to be nerfed a bit. I think the net nerf is 4% total when accounting for the bugfix
languid ravine
makes enemy feel safe, then rogue CCs himself, suddenly stopping enemy from getting healed
surreal barn
We’ve got shadows, pirates, and poisons/bleeds, what would 4th be
quaint cedar
Bard?
quaint cedar
Dude ranged rogue. Throwing knife spec
surreal barn
It would piss off so many
languid ravine
We’ve got shadows, pirates, and poisons/bleeds, what would 4th be
I mean its gotta be either Illusionist or Saboteur
surreal barn
Dude ranged rogue. Throwing knife spec
Played thief in GW2 that was like that it was so fun
quaint cedar
lol
surreal barn
You could shoot an arrow to a location and teleport there
quaint cedar
Would be interesting if they made a build for outlaw that was more ranged with the pistol abilties
languid ravine
Throwing Knife is literally the most fun thing in ANY video game: Cyberpunk, Slay the Spire, Call of Duty probably
except WoW
quaint cedar
Overwatch has Genji and he's super popular
quaint cedar
Isn't assa kind of that?
languid ravine
but Genji is just a reskinned burst assault rifle :^d
quaint cedar
High burst and worst defensives?
surreal barn
Nah
On PTR assa feels tanky imo
With them two feints
Well it doesn’t feel tanky vs arms lol
I take that back
surreal barn
Arms got a buff too I think
surreal barn
The extra leech makes a difference too
I didn’t think it would but I looked at healing
And like, it wasn’t that bad. Assa can take improved vial now too
quaint cedar
I thought the extra leech buff didn't apply to pvp?
surreal barn
Maybe you’re right, hop on and test for us 
hidden mirage
With them two feints
its still weak tho, we should get both cheat death and elusiveness. I kind of don't want to sacrifice oneshot protection, even if sometimes doesn't trigger properly.
hidden mirage
having them both would help a lot definitely.
pale storm
hidden mirage
since we are also losing the 4% versa from talent tree
surreal barn
With the new gear vers isn’t really a problem but working our way up at start of the season without it will suck
hidden mirage
well, the new set bonus has very bad stat diversity, so I'm not sure if I'll play with or without set, just because of versa and mastery
surreal barn
Only thing that looks interesting is the 150% (75%) envenom echo
I had fun with no set on ptr I’m not incredibly worried about it
hidden mirage
yea, but you will also need a very high uptime to do two envenoms in a short window, but with more energy nerfs, I'm not sure if its worth to pick. We will see...
god i miss MfD
surreal barn
Can knock out a couple real fast with ER
marble oasis
the assa 4 set slaps now
hidden mirage
I'm still thinking of picking cold blood over ER now, since it finally works with Kingsbane.
marble oasis
i wouldn't
it makes the initial Kingsbane tick crit that's it
doesn't get the same treatment as secret tech
surreal barn
You can actually take Tea, ER, CB, and Dance lol
surreal barn
In duels the kingsbane crit off of CB was chonky
But I’d still run acrobatic over it
surreal barn
https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/1691889-blades-edge-arena-temporarily...
Good.
hidden mirage
I will start with this build, but i will replace SD probably with DTB, and will try the ER with 4set aswell, but I have to test them both in PvP.
surreal barn
My right side of the tree is very similar
Left not so much
DTB 30% effectiveness blows
But yeah maybe better idk
hidden mirage
I will wait till live 10.2 to test if Sudden demise is worth to pick over DTB, probably both are good, but DTB could be still better.
surreal barn
I have sudden demise
Was averaging around 60k per proc
Instant touch of death is pretty fun
hidden mirage
yeah, hopefully Bertimus will not ruin it more 
surreal barn
It proccing inside turtle shell is priceless
hidden mirage
I wonder if it bypasses dmg reduction like Dispersion, since Touch of Death does this.
languid ravine
I was wondering why my team is losing a 2v1 against a Ret but then I found out
only 500 rating between healers and dps, nothing to see here
wary spire
https://tenor.com/view/laugh-aggretsuko-fenneko-hahaha-anime-gif-11750376
Nah we need something dumber. Like "make pets do less damage the farther they are away from the hunter because they can't hear good".
languid ravine
that would be too elegant of a solution
it needs to be clunky and dysfunctional, its Blizzards brand now
jolly sierra
I was wondering why my team is losing a 2v1 against a Ret but then I found out
oh im about to q w ret today
jolly sierra
it needs to be clunky and dysfunctional, its Blizzards brand now
remove turtle
languid ravine
I was focusing an Augmevoker the other day
within three minutes he can use wall for 36 seconds and be kick immune during that time
meanwhile within three minutes a Hunter can wall for 6 seconds and die during that time
jolly sierra
balanced
hidden mirage
Nah we need something dumber. Like "make pets do less damage the farther they ar...
Perhaps return feed pet and pet happiness, and if your pet dies in arena, it becomes angry and flee away 😄
jolly sierra
Perhaps return feed pet and pet happiness, and if your pet dies in arena, it bec...
ohhhh would be funny if the silly little dead raptor runs away
dhs when see the assassination rogue in the shuffle:
jolly sierra
they were ahead of soyjacks pointing meme
languid ravine
God destro in my lobby going 5-1 vs two kinds of warrior and a DH
hidden mirage
naive tendon
Is it just me or is learning sub pvp incredibly difficult
languid ravine
I fucking love getting 0-6ed by my teammates dying in the opener every. single. round.
truly makes you feel like Spiderman
jolly sierra
god i hate healers in shuffle
this prick refused to heal after losing a lot
DMed him later "thank you for making waste my time with the 30m queue"
then "hope you have a nice day"
hidden mirage
report him for sabotage
jolly sierra
already did
stoic spruce
yeah okay thats what it shows on the screenshot but I was asking more for things...
I was also asleep when I said that lol. 10.2 on launch
languid ravine
this Arms warrior kept disarming me 0,05 sec after dance its kinda sus but not sure
either way makes me want to delete my rogue
hidden mirage
could be a macro
hopefully in 10.2 those autobot macros will end.
like ele shaman
jolly sierra
this Arms warrior kept disarming me 0,05 sec after dance its kinda sus but not s...
sometimes i do something similar w gouge then kidney
but because im already preminding it
xdd
languid ravine
yeah I get that but when it happens faster than me pressing cheap shot its
tawny kestrel
most people have insane awareness nowadays (weakauras) so thats gna happen a lot
jolly sierra
languid ravine
not sure this is true, the Rets in my lobby can barely track their own and their targets position
you add just one weakaura their brains gonna implode
tribal badger
you should be able to cheap shot someone faster then their reaction time unless ur preactivating dance during ur prior gcd and spamming cheap tho
dance is off the gcd so u should be able to dance > cheap basically seamlessly
waxen meteor
this Arms warrior kept disarming me 0,05 sec after dance its kinda sus but not s...
solution
kill target him
so you won't be disarmed
Kidney -> dance disarm where
stoic spruce
what do yall think of outlaw/rsham/aug next tier? We used my Alt-Picker 3000 and I managed to get Outlaw