pvp

[peak agate]

laughs in my last mythic being in bfa

This talent rework seems to about m+ viability

I think that's great. More options is always good.d

[torn stump]

How to make realz know this problem?

cool

[stoic spruce]

The last changes are questionable

[torn stump]

which changes?

maybe aware or not. it is not a good way design.

[halcyon timber]

It is good design

He did well, can’t have everything

Shouldn’t have everything

[torn stump]

my way also cant have everything.

It also need choice

[halcyon timber]

Yes but you’re cherry picking

Which isn’t cool

Moving around a few things and saying f the rest isnt balanced

[torn stump]

cherry picking useful thing is good design, and compel choice bad thing is bad design.

[peak agate]

Speaking of realz he's been active recently. I hope he comes on this chat if they decide on updating pvp talents.

The ptr channel are mostly m+ focus

"My mythic aoe is so gud now"

[halcyon timber]

Ptr channel cares about aoe and skipping shiz for whatever robot overlords tell them to do

[torn stump]

I need to do something leave of here some time, I think you talk to Realz better.

my english not good

you can detailed describe what I mean.

[peak agate]

Don't harass the guy, but try one of the ptr channels he's more active on that.

[halcyon timber]

Definitely don’t harass him or @ him

[torn stump]

I know, wont harass him.

if you see him, you can tell him.

[torn stump]

I know, many people remind me already.

[halcyon timber]

Right on man

[torn stump]

and what about "@ Realz", I saw someone do this before.

it wont harass him, and if he saw it, he know someone call him.

[peak agate]

Again, try one of the ptr channels if you wish to provide feedback that he would read.

[halcyon timber]

Dunno man, not our house so we follow the rules

[torn stump]

Does he rarely come to this channel?

[peak agate]

Don't think I've seen him post once friend.

[torn stump]

I think find a way let Realz to this channel to read better.

not only my feedback but also our communication.

[stoic spruce]

He is also aware about outlaw not having find weakness anymore but he wants to see how everything is first.

[sharp sierra]

Did they take all the requirements out to get allied races yet?

[potent pivot]

i'm not 100% sure, but i don't think that's something he handles. i could be way off base here, but to my understanding the pvp team does them

it usually depends on what comp you're playing/facing

you want to use enough pressure from you or the other dps on your team to force defensives and trinkets out of the enemy team

[tepid willow]

no find weakness is gonna be interesting... it'll be a cruel kind of funny if it goes back to "welp. looks like the plate wearers aren't dying"

[stoic spruce]

I really dont want to have to another mando pvp talent

[sharp sierra]

Hello im pretty new to subtlety pvp and i feel like my secret tech barely does any dmg. What eta mastery % should i have?

[wintry dew]

All you can have

But sec dmg comes from setting it up correctly with macabre if you're using it

And using cold blood obviously

[minor cape]

100+

ideally closer to 110

[jolly sierra]

i was scrolling up the chat

god dammit why why why why

https://tenor.com/view/drcox-scrubs-head-gif-4862594

[minor cape]

which message gave you this reaction

[jolly sierra]

the talent tree accessibility suggestions

[minor cape]

realz honest reaction live webcam

[jolly sierra]

F for our boy

[shadow creek]

Gonna be the unpopular guy here and say that dogpiling on someone for expressing their honest opinion is a really shitty way to treat someone. This toxic shit right here is the reason so many players hate coming to Discord. On top of that, the dude is obviously ESL, so this makes it extra, extra shitty. Just really fucking shameful. My advice for y’all next time is to take Realz dick out of your mouth for 2 seconds and let someone have an opinion you disagree with.

I’m done with y’all, peace out. ✌️

[jolly sierra]

lol

imagine disagreeing with somebody is toxic

also my advice for you is staying here to see what is people replying to u instead throwing a grenade and leaving ASAP

bruh

[noble spoke]

Yeah I scrolled up and wasn’t really seeing anything (might not have scrolled up far enough obviously), so very confused.

[jolly sierra]

some persons thinks disagree = toxic bullying

in last year was even worse w a guy here which straight insulted u if he found some difference w u

so imagine how would this guy who left be in that situation

[noble spoke]

Also the convo involved like 4 people… there’s nearly 40 thousand people in this discord. Trying to tar everyone cause of one convo is uh…

[lucid citrus]

So if he disagrees with what we disagree on another person, then isn’t he being toxic too?🧐

That is craaazyy

[jolly sierra]

at this step, gatekeeping is a viable option to keep chats constructive and healthier

but that would be way too extreme F

[lucid citrus]

Damn reading what happened is just insane to me..
why can’t we all be friends and just enjoy the game together?

[jolly sierra]

dunno

but something is sure for me

most of ppl here are ESL

im sure, including myself

[lucid citrus]

Also @jolly sierra do you take MFD over deeper stratagem for sin?

[jolly sierra]

i did 😦

but u have not option anymore w s3

so we will go like in SL

w deeper stratagem

maybe opening w cheap shot instead

[lucid citrus]

Ahh so i guess I’ll use deeper now in current season and get used to not having MFD :/

[jolly sierra]

think most of us

if ppl mostly is sub

its fine, we can live without that, but how random that removal

[inner tartan]

so this was low level pvp but who was the bigger fool here i normal in 1v1 try let the other get the cystal and attack he wouldnt and 20 minute later with out unstealthing they left in the begiining of the match enemy name plate showed 2 players but i thing that is pugged because end score showed a 1v1

[jolly sierra]

@nova viper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPBnrIAWDeU

[nova viper]

wut

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[minor cape]

we werent even trying to be toxic or insulting in any way

seeeeex seeeeeeeeeeeeex

[jolly sierra]

we are chasing cars while are shouting SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX here

[spring bough]

nothing like waiting 45 min for the first solo of the day and ripping a 6-0 lol

[jolly sierra]

gg

[peak agate]

I come back to the chat and see a message about moral high grounds where dude leaves the discord. I love the Internet.

[queen geyser]

Good stuff

[peak agate]

Btw since I really just interact with ya'll about wow. If you have alts or just want to yolo twos for the lulz. Let me know.

[undone badge]

eyy so i just started to play sub rouge in pvpv and was wondering if anyone got some tips & tricks?

[spring bough]

just had a solo. first round i see resto druid stealth. i grapple to the area BF, knock him out. blind him and then vanish. sap him as it wore off and by then my warrior teammate deleted the DK on the other team GG

feels so good getting an epic CC chain lol

[halcyon timber]

Keep your head on a swivel, look for opportunities, and have fun most of all

Yeah, I dig morals and order too but there wasn’t anything swinging the pendulum hard yesterday. Swapping talents where an individual wants to get everything they could want easily at the cost of nerfing it does nothing but makes a tree weak.

[languid ravine]

YAMERO

[jolly sierra]

YAMERO TAKESHI

[acoustic junco]

You can sap off bladeflurry on druids you knock out of stealth

It doesn't trigger putting you in combat

[tight eagle]

feels like I'm struggling with sub PvP dmg; I'm in mainly honor blues, and I bought the crit gear over the mastery because I was playing assn. How much could that lack of Mastery make me feel like I'm not doing enough dmg?

In solo shuffle I'm always in the 4th spot for dmg sometime by 2x or 3x.

[jolly sierra]

what

assa doesnt use crit dude

[tight eagle]

ok, well I built that wrong then

🤷

[jolly sierra]

u use the mastery gear

[tight eagle]

ok same question then

[jolly sierra]

no way to answer that

in that case would be

"how much could that lack of crit make me feel like im not doing enough dmg?"

[tight eagle]

well yeah, but if you're telling me that i should be getting mastery gear, someone must have the numbers on the difference in impact

[jolly sierra]

if u go assa

that increase the dmg from your bleeds and poisons

your biggest dmg source is garrote

for example i have 62% mastery, that raises my garrote dmg by 62%

crit is nerfed in pvp

from 170% more dmg to just 150%

mastery raises envenom dmg too

[halcyon timber]

As subtlety , its normal to do way lower damage as most of your stuff is built around being a pokemon stunning and such. Your globals are mostly on control .

[tight eagle]

@halcyon timber ok that makes sense; So sub is bursty, just not overall dmg

[halcyon timber]

Pretty much man, depends how you build where you can get “some sustain”

The new trees are far more flexible though

[jolly sierra]

crap im stupid af

im sorry, another thing than makes sub dmg better w mastery is than ur mastery scales as hell w sub

[spice harness]

Guys how significant are crafted weapons with that dmg embellishment for outlaw ? I see top rated players use them but they are not in guides so I'm no sure

[jolly sierra]

for example with a full mastery gear u can get easily 100+% stat

so mastery is mostly a must w sub

[halcyon timber]

A couple of our Outlaw guys aren’t around atm but they love those. Procs often and does some solid damage on their own.

[halcyon timber]

Also , mastery is a big deal for us Subtlety rogues. Finishers do 60%+ of our damage (according to damage breakdowns provided by realz not long ago)

[languid ravine]

Your ARE RETRIBUTION PAL. Enemy mage just blinked away 100 yards from his team.
What do you do?
A: Chase him and die
B: Stay 3v2 with your team and take the freewin

[halcyon timber]

Would say it does more depending how you build especially in the patch.

C : bubble hearth

[languid ravine]

please send your answer to [e-mail]

[halcyon timber]

Im gonna assume he goofed off and got smoked to a pajama wearing mage behind a pillar then blamed the team?

[languid ravine]

did you just assume their individualism

[halcyon timber]

By tHe LigHt

[languid ravine]

but yeah, it was A of course kek

[halcyon timber]

Surprised he didn’t mid range donkey kong slam someone

[jolly bear]

do you still take full dmg in Evasion if you're attacked from behind or the side?

[halcyon timber]

Yes as you cannot dodge from those angles but if you have elusiveness you take 10% less during evasion (20% in 10.2)

[jolly bear]

wow and then it does nothing against casters right?

[peak agate]

This is why other rogues Shadow step kidney

[jolly bear]

okay that's really good to know actually

can someone help me and tell me the opener real quick bc I feel like I'm missing something crucial, I watched a pikaboo video and he said marked for death > kidney and I'm like wat

[halcyon timber]

Elusiveness yes, 10% from all sources

Similar feinting

[peak agate]

Mfd is a talent.

[jolly bear]

without elusiveness

[halcyon timber]

Prob should start practicing without mfd as it won’t exist anymore in the patch

[jolly bear]

yeah i know but im sub and ive never used MfD

7 cp too broken

[peak agate]

Yeah he's suggesting to use it get your cb and open with ks

[halcyon timber]

You can use first dance to generate 4 cb pts and kidney but mind you it will be 4s duration if only 4 cb pts

[peak agate]

But like @halcyon timber said it's gone next patch

[halcyon timber]

Sucks but we adapt

[jolly bear]

yeah so without mfd what do I do to open

[halcyon timber]

Cs unless you have 5 cb pts

[jolly bear]

I know its diff between having or not having first dance

[halcyon timber]

You just cheap shot as normal unless someone is just slow as heck and you can build a kidney off them instead

Varies honestly because some classes have an itchy finger to stop you immediately on stuns

Ie stormbolt from down town as soon as you kidney shot someone

[jolly bear]

yeah so if I open with cheap shot and i start the DR do i still kidney

[halcyon timber]

Yeah if you plan on stunning only that guy

Old school way

[jolly bear]

is it better to kidney healer or kt

[halcyon timber]

Depends but usually kidney a healer

Can gouge them instead out of blind

[sharp stone]

i use longest stun (kidney) on kt

[halcyon timber]

Most globals to do damage in kidney

Cs are empty hits

[sharp stone]

cs only non killtargets

[jolly bear]

okay so if i open cheap im at 1 cp out of stealth, sd now im at 5, and i can ss, or evis or kidney

[halcyon timber]

Yes sir, just don’t leave gaps in a stun.

[jolly bear]

yeah but whats the right move here

thats where im confused

[languid ravine]

Evis or Rupture, unless you expect him to trinket out of Cheap Shot for whatever reason

[halcyon timber]

It depends but pretty much 3 globals to do damage so you’ll cs again

Macabre stacks vary depending on what you’re doing

[jolly bear]

is it better to rupture

[halcyon timber]

You can get away with it but wouldn’t recommend it

[jolly bear]

I feel like I only press rupture if I literally have nothing else

[halcyon timber]

Rupture is solid but doesn’t snap shot

[jolly bear]

not sure if im underusing it

[halcyon timber]

In the patch it does with NS but nothing else

Lots of value of rupture , especially on high armored classes or stuff w shields

Like locks

[jolly bear]

so I'm gonna use Cheap Shot > SB+SD > Rupture > SS > Evis > CS > SS > SecTech? or is that too long

omg i just hit 124k dps in the opener lmao

[halcyon timber]

You can but , generally you want to think about macabre stacks and as much physical damage as you can in that time. But yeah that “can” work. There are no “set order” of things in pvp as long as you are keeping that target stunned.

[jolly bear]

this is gonna be a lot easier in 10.2

and we get goremaw's back

[halcyon timber]

Yeah it can be but a lot is also different than in 10.1/10.1.7

Ptr is far better for all 3 specializations

[jolly bear]

yeah sin doesnt look useless anymore lmao

[halcyon timber]

Blades is a solid cd in 10.2 and you definitely can customize a lot so you don’t “need” goremaws. Sepsis is strong too and flag

Yeah our assassins gained some solid tools

From what they were saying

[jolly bear]

I missed Kingsbane

[jolly sierra]

how cruel

[jolly bear]

I said what I said

[quaint cedar]

The weapons are quite good, yeah. I have both and the embellishment makes up about 7-10% of my overall damage.

However, you don't need them to play outlaw

Only if you're trying to push high ratings or you just like to min max

[spice harness]

Yeah I enjoy it without it aswell feels fine but I like to min max and wanna get legend on outlaw this season

And I like having stuff like that to farm to get upgrade so I'm excited to get them now

Ty !

[quaint cedar]

Np! Yeah I'd definitely say go for it then. They are nice to have

My main outlaw has them and my alt outlaw doesn't. I do notice the difference

[halcyon timber]

Ur nice to have . Oooooo

Burn

[quaint cedar]

I have been slain

Bury me by the docks

With my gun and my swords

[halcyon timber]

Toss me last coin to the seas

[jolly sierra]

why ret paladins are such a meme? look

"Try playing some BGs where every team is filled with Ret paladins that never buff, never dispel, and never throw offheals, despite their class being balanced around these things.

Trust me, it will start making perfect sense.

Someone did a psychological survey once a long time ago about whether different personality types are more drawn to certain classes, and it turns out Paladins (and Ret in particular) were kind of an outlier, with Christian Nationalist types being particularly drawn to this class, in a way that was significantly more pronounced than any other personality/class combination in the data.

It's not like all Ret Paladin players fit this pattern, far from it, but the class IS a magnet for players with a certain "fuck you, me first" attitude.

EDIT: Worth mentioning this survey was NA only. It's entirely possible this is not as much of a thing in EU. But in NA, in the south / bible belt particularly, we have these certain guys who drive huge trucks with "punisher" and "thin blue line" stickers and tailgait you on the highway when you aren't in the passing lane or it's the idiot(s) in front of you that aren't letting anybody pass, beat their wife/kids, and a bunch of other shitty behaviors I won't even get into. And unsurprisingly, when this kind of guy (or someone who wants to be one) gets into WoW and he sees that he can play a "badass self-sufficient holy warrior that smites the unclean races of the horde" that is what he tends to pick. I wish I were joking, but it's 100% a real thing."

“When The Alliance sends its paladins, they’re not sending their best … They’re sending paladins that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing buffs. They’re bringing utility. They’re DPS. And some, I assume, are good people.”

[halcyon timber]

That’s kinda interesting. Always wondered if people do put thought into why they like a class or what it stands for.

A paladin that is on top of his game is really cool to see as well as any hybrid or anyone who uses their full kit.

[jolly sierra]

tbh i see rets as supports rather than the powerhouses they expect to be

else they won't have that amount of defensive buffs

or that targeted healings

[halcyon timber]

Id loosely argue to an extent all classes bring support in various ways in all content.

We do it by mitigating damage on allies through control and sabotage

[jolly sierra]

yeah but they have an entire toolkit to directly defend people

[halcyon timber]

Agreed

[jolly sierra]

sac, bop, spellwarden

and shit like that

if u just go for urself

as ret

ignoring ppl around u

[halcyon timber]

That’s their thing for sure

[jolly sierra]

then u are playing the spec wrong

[halcyon timber]

Their fault for not using their kit

With as many hybrids there are out there. You figure people would do more cool stuff to help out in team stuff

And keep an eye on healers more often as an example to off heal / deny areas etc.

Instead of reeeeeee rogue reeeeeee y u no?!?!

[jolly sierra]

ww monks for example

has not any kind of direct assist for their comps

they use it offensively through stuns and incaps

if u consider soothing mist then sure

but nothing else

[halcyon timber]

Ox kick is easily one of the coolest returning abilities that is rarely used

[jolly sierra]

ah the YEET kick

yeah xd

[halcyon timber]

Yeah jade serpent statue can do some serious healing from a wind wanker

Wondering what dh is going to shape out to be

[stoic spruce]

high gamers!

[halcyon timber]

They were told they weren’t getting a “rogue rework” according to dhs on the forums. though we weren’t reworked.

[halcyon timber]

Evening dude!

[jolly sierra]

heyo

[inner tartan]

so i have to ask what dose it say about rogue

ngl thats funy asf

[jolly sierra]

its pvp, still applies here

[tame rivet]

I got to 2.1k on ret just because I paid more attention to my teammates than me

Getting complimented on insta sanc rather than on my beefy damage is better anyway

[jolly sierra]

ye, a real ret helps their partners

[sharp sierra]

does anyone have a pvp 10.2 PTR build for testing?

[potent pivot]

Not necessarily

Just play around with it n choose stoof

[tight eagle]

What's the main differences/pros and cons when comparing Assa to Sub rogue for PvP; specifically Arenas

[hidden mirage]

Assa has better sustain, but its squishy target/ Sub has better burst, better control and survival aswell.

Outlaw is somewhere inbetween. It has good sustain but not that strong burst as sub, also has great cc and survival. Main reason Outlaw is good in PvP is because of Shadow Dance.

7 sec kidney is gone since start of DF

assa is probably the worst and in a bad spot too.

[languid ravine]

I think Assa isnt in a bad spot but in a binary spot, like it feels great in good matchups but sometimes you ll just face like a survival hunter and a preservoker and a ret and whatever else that can remove your bleed in one global

[tight eagle]

thanks @hidden mirage That's about what I expected, but I wanted to be sure I was understanding 🤓

[hidden mirage]

So basically everything what is flavor of the season right now

[languid ravine]

I rarely see Prevokes and Surivval hunts idk

[hidden mirage]

but about 50% of matchups there are aug evokers, rets, hpallys and dwarfs.

and aug can dispell too

also statistics speaks for themselves in 3v3

[languid ravine]

thats an advantage because noone ever learns how to play against assa

[jolly sierra]

yeah 1k8 assas are chads tho

in this season

[hidden mirage]

this is 2k2+, 2k4+ is even worse

or probably same

[jolly sierra]

nah assa is like in outlaw situation for early season

ppl barely managed to get rival top cut

[hidden mirage]

Outlaw is not bad, but most ppl hate to play it.

assa has just bad season.

where everything counters you

[jolly sierra]

its funny\

fucking deathmark is just cleansed with a 25s cd

XD

[hidden mirage]

exactly

[jolly sierra]

still swear deathmark is one of the worst mistakes as a cd for wow

i say

[hidden mirage]

its literally the worst cd in game for pvp

[jolly sierra]

look how badly interact with poisons now after tuning

how is nerfed in bleeds

[hidden mirage]

sadly the rogue dev is ignorant to it and the feedback

[jolly sierra]

how fast is dispelled

thought he said it is being already redesigned

according to what i recall

he wanted to split the cd to avoid BS like fast dispell

[hidden mirage]

they did nothing, apart of fixing bugs with stacking MS effect

[jolly sierra]

yeah, i talk about now

DM is already being addressed

[hidden mirage]

well i hope so

[jolly sierra]

but im more pro vendetta

simplistic but very easy to balance and play around

imo i would rather prefer to bring it back

with that flat 30%+ dmg increase

[hidden mirage]

yea, but problem with vendetta is same as with Deathmark, it locks you on one target. Atleast it cannot be dispelled...

[hidden mirage]

Do you have any source of this info ?

[jolly sierra]

browse Realz message historial here in discord

he was replying to feedback and in a moment he said that

[jolly sierra]

assassination was never a multi target spec for pvp

[hidden mirage]

yeah it wasnt, but they are making it

[jolly sierra]

i think the solution with deathmark is making it a buff which applies the bleed cd and duplicated stuff

that would be both make it multi target and avoid dispell issues

[hidden mirage]

its a simple coding

[jolly sierra]

but bah

[hidden mirage]

just make the DM ID undispellable

[jolly sierra]

dunno about something else

[hidden mirage]

but because its a PvP issue, no one cares

its the same treatment as pally wings or mage combust

they made that undispellable too

why not DM ?

we dont even have cd reduction

[waxen meteor]

Do you guys get a lot of solo game started with 5 people (and on same side)

and then game kick all 5 out?

I got it twice this week

[potent pivot]

Basically just because it’s a debuff and powerful is my guess

Still kinda sucks tho

[hidden mirage]

compared to Combustion or Avenging Wrath, its not that powerful, its also nerfed by 50% in PvP while the other mentioned spells are not.

[potent pivot]

It’s pretty powerful when used in combination with other things such as exsanguinate (lol)

[wanton breach]

the fuck is this in 2v2

[hidden mirage]

still its not, also no one is playing live exsanguinate... even hybrid class can outheal DM

[wanton breach]

YEP lost to it

immortal classes

[jolly sierra]

cuz those shits are buffs

not a bad designed debuff

[hidden mirage]

true

[jolly sierra]

avenging just increases dmg and healing for like 10% alongside a crit buff

rets are using crusade RN

combustion

well, they fixed it cuz was easier as a buff

similar to blessing of freedom pre rework

the idea i gave as example would be similar to what u expected with combust and wings

making it a limited duration buff which applies DM dot with the same duration as the buff currently has and let it work as usual

but yeah, wishlists in this case are just an ilussion lol

[steel relic]

which rogue spec is meta for solo shuffle atm?

[languid ravine]

Sub according to statistics

which I suppose is basically the meaning of meta

[steel relic]

fair nuff

[languid ravine]

but imo sub also has the least room for error and the fewest Plan B's if you catch my drift

[steel relic]

I feel like people might not be co-ordinated at dealing with it

in solo compared to 3s

less peel / not playing safe vs potential gos

[languid ravine]

Guys, what do you think or know which one is better: Loaded Dice vs one point in Count The Odds??

[thick slate]

99% winrate against wws in duels

i want a ww that can make me sweat

and why tf do they karma as their first wall

sigh

on a side note, fuck warriors

absolute ape donkey 0 iq class

[jolly sierra]

ww doesn't realize their defensives are fully functional again post tuning

some time ago u needed to use 2

at same time

xddd

usually i follow this order

diffuse/dampen>karma>fortifying

[thick slate]

Yeah most wws are really bad with their defensives

good ones are the ones that rotate disarm, para, ring, kiting, and the defensives

[acoustic junco]

I look forward to watching ER get nerfed again in 10.2

[jolly sierra]

maybe will get removed

lol

[unreal pewter]

this is a great question I q'd like 20 shuffles this weekend and q'd into maybe one other rogue lmao

They were asssination though

[inner tartan]

I tried outlaw in solo. Maybe I’m trash but it normally goes bad

[unreal pewter]

That's what I play

but im 2400ish mmr and never see any other outlaw rogues

[inner tartan]

Oo

[steel relic]

Tried sin, didn’t feel great

Will probably stick to sub

[jolly sierra]

lol another panda rogue in assa

that is rare af

[potent pivot]

Because it’s been bugged. When DM was first created it and exsanguinate were both insane.

[jolly sierra]

dude i do pvp WQ for gold and it goes replaced by a green sniffing dust

wtf i do with that

REEEEEEEEEEEE

[potent pivot]

You what

You sniff green dust?

[jolly sierra]

this shit

i got a gold WQ then reached the place and got the reward replaced w this

[potent pivot]

Damn

[languid ravine]

The Outlaw dream is real it is happening

(or maybe its just coz the season is dead idk)

[potent pivot]

The entire class g

[languid ravine]

yeah honestly after playing every class except for Paladin, Rogue is pretty decent actually even if it doesnt always look like it

[jolly sierra]

whoa gratz

[jolly sierra]

tf is saying this guy

i cant recognize the language

[stoic spruce]

Broken burrito?

[jolly sierra]

dunno

what the heck that language

[ocean wyvern]

is there anyone here that feels like assa is very dog in pvp atm

or am i just bad

it feels like a nightmare to play

[queen geyser]

Picaro Asesinato de nivel 70

Damn why English gotta be so mid sometimes compared to this

[hidden mirage]

its not bugged, its was just nerfed to the ground few patches ago.

[potent pivot]

Lol

They are bugged

[jolly sierra]

si

[waxen meteor]

It’s okay when not being targeted, but just okay dmg + rogue kit doesn’t compensate for low survival

[jolly sierra]

cmon realz we need to survive more

give us something like this

or this

[spring bough]

Never pvped with my hunter ever. Decided why not. Decked out my BM. This stuff is so easy. Make a mega macro for kill command and spam it lol

Mouse macro ftw

[waxen meteor]

Yeah BM is easy

[noble spoke]

The ranged Fury Warrior

[noble spoke]

Just to check thats YOu taking less damage right, not dealing less damage?

[halcyon timber]

Correct, it was an old ability in pandaria and cataclysm. You just took 10% less damage per stack you built up with that.

[noble spoke]

gotcha, the ability text gave me pause but the tooltip was odds, I assumed thats how it was but ya never know

[halcyon timber]

Yeah it was counterable pretty easily honestly but it was still ok as a deterrent

Stacks fell off quickly if not attacked

[noble spoke]

nods

[jolly sierra]

readiness would be a welcome addition

but we need something more consistent

even if is not a cd

[languid ravine]

always shut down mage, no matter what your Warrior mate calls as target

[jolly sierra]

u allow mage to go = dead

same with MM hunters

[halcyon timber]

Cant leave ranged alone at all. Have to keep them busy.

[minor cape]

Loading screen TIP: Always attack a target that your warrior teammate didn't call to avoid kidney into dr

[deep stag]

i wanna play 2v2 with me as sub and a buddy of mine, he doesn't really like mage so we are looking for a good alternative
the speccs he is considering are hPal, Prevoker, feral and survHunt
which specc of those would be good this season and are looking to stay good for the next one for 2v2?

[wary spire]

What if 2 mages

[noble spoke]

Shut down the sheep mage

[minor cape]

next one idk, but out of those surv hunt

this season

prevoker can work too

disc is classic

[wanton breach]

halp, this is too high, I'm too shit for this atm

https://tenor.com/view/sml-panic-panicking-junior-cody-gif-16435535231198875327

[spring bough]

Played about 10 solo Qs yesterday on my fresh BM and got him to 1789 or so lmao. Hunter feels infinitely easier than outlaw by far

[waxen meteor]

It is

BM dmg source is super simple

[spring bough]

Smash and kite and it’s a GG lol

[waxen meteor]

2 btn for dmg

then freeze trap healer after stun,

scater the root the other dps

even optional

[spring bough]

Undead raptor pets too unfair lol. The immunity spell w pvp talent seems unfair I’m pressing it all the time

I have scatter focus on healer and it got me about 3-4 wins last night lol. Scatter healer start popping off DPS dead before healer is off CC

[waxen meteor]

in theory you don't scatter healer

[spring bough]

Really? Seems like it works well lol

[waxen meteor]

you give yourself a dr

[spring bough]

Idk a single thing about what’s right w hunter lol

[waxen meteor]

freeze trap dr with scatter

and scatter/trap has same cd

[spring bough]

Got it. Bout to try out this spirit beast healer later today and see if that’s noticeable w keeping me topped off lol

Plus two bloodgullets look cool as hell lol

[waxen meteor]

Mostly you freeze after teammate's cc or your own stun

hunter stun is only 3 seconds anyway

pretty stun + global cd + trap is perfect

the trap takes sometime to fly over there

[spring bough]

I was thinking of focus macro on the stun but I saw it reduces damage received from whoever it’s on so I figure that’s gotta always be used on a DPS

[waxen meteor]

when you team up with ret or sth, that mostly throw stun on healer, it's great usage

freeze trap just after stun

scater + root cc melee super well

like to DH/WAR or even us

Just root there for 8 sec ish

because BM dmg profile is simple, you actually have plenty of time to just cc healer and side dps

[spring bough]

That’s what I love about it. I feel like w rogue I gotta always be constant pressure. W hunter I feel like I can stop pressing damage and stand there and send my traps no problem and get back to dmg

[waxen meteor]

cause BM dmg is pet

you can be trained 24/7 and do similar dmg

[spring bough]

Get a good burst with some kill commands, barbed shot x2, bestial wrath 2 more barbed and spam kill

Bestial resetting barbed is insane it does almost as much dmg as my second pet it’s crazy to see

The disengage backflip to sprint is a life saver lol

[waxen meteor]

tier set reset major CD quite fast too

[spring bough]

Yeah it’s pretty wild still get 7.5% dmg for kill command and 1.0 sec off bestial wrath feels pretty damn good

[surreal barn]

I love teaming w a rogue when I’m MM

I might be gimping myself but I’ve been going @ cursor macros for traps and scatter

[spring bough]

I put cursor macros on all the trap stuff. Should I be using them or nah?

[surreal barn]

Idk man I was sad to not see an @target function

[spring bough]

I just cursor close to whoever sometimes it hits them sometimes nah

Feel like I don’t have time to click where the circles gonna land lol

[surreal barn]

Yeah I have it going automatic no need to click twice, but I do wonder if there is a better way that I don’t know about

[wanton breach]

there is @player for traps in case you want them to be on close to you

[waxen meteor]

I don’t like cursor for trap

[waxen meteor]

Of course!

[wanton breach]

i hate this extended healer range for solo shuffle

[languid ravine]

I am actually bad at Unholy DK but I keep winning or going even

it is stupid

[jolly sierra]

maybe u are not that bad as u are thinking

lol

[languid ravine]

nah dude there is so many buttons I am spending like 3 seconds thinking which CD I press next

then my stuff gets disaligned

my burst setups are meh

I am on defense like 70% of the time

and pressing GCDs while I have no more runes left

etc

[spring bough]

Best thing I ever did was keybind death coil to my mouse button

[wanton breach]

just burst people down and press death strike in between goes

[jolly sierra]

the end is near

[spring bough]

At the rate I’m going my DK and hunter going to have better solo ratings than my outlaw 😂

[jolly sierra]

ironically was the case when i went ret in s1

and had the rog at 2050

[spring bough]

A whole month until crackshot 🪦

[jolly sierra]

im still stacking MMR

till they oficially announces the end

[spring bough]

If I could hit elite on the dk or hunter I’d be so happy lol

Hunter feels like I could push that hella far at the rate I’m going lol

[twin burrow]

Anyone miss sapping blinds

[wanton breach]

but no

[wanton breach]

blindsaplol had to get a whole bunch of namechanges

[twin burrow]

Petkick bis name forever

[halcyon timber]

Was just reading that as well. Hopefully that is the case. I remember in SL apes were like BlizzaRd iS lEgaLLy bOunD to TelL us tHe End oF tHe sEaSoN

[jolly sierra]

i wonder if he still has that name

he is from my language region

[wanton breach]

he does afaik, after all it's possible to kidney-blind-sap-lol after all

[jolly sierra]

too long to type in name lol

[twin burrow]

Ksblindsaplol

[jolly sierra]

something like that

[languid ravine]

KSpree does so little damage, the game thinks target is no longer in combat

genius

[jolly sierra]

alright im subbing to amazon again

also

[stoic spruce]

Biiiig w

[surreal barn]

Every day. I missing those sap caps in bgs more

[halcyon timber]

Metzen verse is back

Proper wow

[surreal barn]

Just in time for cataclysm round 2

Amiright

[wary spire]

Praise green Jesus!

[halcyon timber]

People nagged about cata because of destroying their old fart zones they never quest in

Cata had good combat and such

[wary spire]

I'll take anything over danuser's writing.

Redestruction of old zones, extra extra parallel universe, anything.

[languid ravine]

its just gonna be another island like the last 20 expansions

[wary spire]

Idc, as long as the characters are not going through therapy on screen while everyone in the fantasy world has irl ethics and morals.

[halcyon timber]

I dig a living breathing world with stay while and listen options. Those have been cool.

Hints are at a potential old world rebuilding lately but who knows man

We shall see what’s up next. Xalatath wouldn’t have shown up and all the naga and void stuff if it didn’t mean something otw

One day, my silvermoon will be rebuilt xD

[wary spire]

Lore doesn't matter as long as tone is the same. "We need to leave our differences behind us, we need to achieve peace, together we can stand against the tier 1 final boss, this time purple"

[warm lance]

So I herd rogue rework and I think I might be back

[twin burrow]

Yeah we have a new ability called deception where you mislead noobs in discord

Anyone else shadowmeld shadow strike as a gap closer

[languid ravine]

I use shadowmeld to panic and die to ray of frost 2 later

[jolly sierra]

dude i will say this until i die

danuser fucked up the lore after legion

with all that focus in sylvanas

[wary spire]

He fucked up the lore AND sylvanas.

[jolly sierra]

dude i wanna know what truly happened with fallen orcish clans and with alterac guys post syndicate

not about how sylvanas poked her nose

[wary spire]

They probably all shook hands and lived peacefully everafter.

[ashen void]

anyone here super irritated that they are gonna remove mfd? why not just have it as it is and make it a choice like it was...

[surreal barn]

Could be added as quickly as it was dropped

[wary spire]

Ye that's my hoping too.

[ashen void]

I hope they just make it back and dont put any modifiers on it tbh

so pvers isnt force to play it

[jolly sierra]

[ashen void]

BIIIIG assas without it after playing with it for 2 seasons now feels "ass"

and please dont add it as a pvp talent

my god

that would be so awfull

[surreal barn]

I was really hoping on the PTR the would have a way to spec bleeds as main damage or you could go down the fat envenom and poison path

[ashen void]

u can

[surreal barn]

But your envenoms still feel like farts

[ashen void]

go down kingsbane

[surreal barn]

Comparatively

[ashen void]

but idk

[surreal barn]

Kingsbane is dispellable I can’t rely on just that unfortunately

[ashen void]

ye

[wary spire]

Isn't assa great

[surreal barn]

Bleeds can be taken off by quite a few but still stickier than poisons

[ashen void]

after trying different stuff on ptr, its gonna be a copyish of s2 spec

[surreal barn]

If kingsbane doesn’t last the whole duration it should be refunded

[wary spire]

The spec teaches you to let things go.

[surreal barn]

Yup lol the playstyle is so much more chill than sub

I am just much better at sub so when I die to a dumbass I get much more irritated

[potent pivot]

would be better than nothing imo

[halcyon timber]

They weren’t “forced” to begin with. They just gripe about choices and that nothing matters all hail the sim overlords who rule everything they do

[ashen void]

its not bad, but u hold ur dm instead of shuvving it so it will be pointless imo

[minor cape]

tbh not a fan of press a button get 5 cp

🤪

but that damage modifier was cool

[ashen void]

yea it was

[minor cape]

well maybe not cool design wise but was certainly strong

[surreal barn]

The way I used it was shift+kidney meant full, shift+envenom etc

You just kind of forgot about the skill

All macros

[minor cape]

kinda like first dance

[surreal barn]

Kinda ya

I never used with sub but assa it came in clutch

Less useful if every assa build requires shadowdance next season though

[jolly sierra]

cant recall well but

does garrote silence with shadow dance?

think i never used it against another players in that way

[quaint cedar]

I wish blizzard would announce the S2 end date so the 3s ladder would wake up a bit

Facing repeat teams at 1900 is sad

[surreal barn]

What is going to suck is if they do announce that shit and participation is still in the shitter

With pvp having the same upgrade currency as pve next season I could see more participation

[stoic spruce]

I got 5 buffs in a rtb arena and still lost

[quaint cedar]

Getting 5 buffs barely matters

All the buffs were nerfed in DF

I remember back in SL if you got 5 buffs you were a god

Now it's just "meh"

Honestly the chance of rolling a 5 should be higher considering how little impact it has

At least it feels that way in pvp

[stoic spruce]

I know they dont.

What I'm saying is I got super lucky and lost

But boy did that feel good

[halcyon timber]

Ptr mfd was solid, was cooler than reprimand rng slot machine nonsense though.

[steep loom]

I think 5buffs in pvp mainly matters on what build you run. And obviously what team you're running against and if you've been dr'd yet

Otherwise yeah it's eh nowadays

[minor cape]

reprimand aint really slot machine but if the only viable build is ER im unsubbing

🤪

[quaint cedar]

Yeah I just never really feel excited rolling a 5 anymore like I did in SL. I can barely tell the difference.

I've never really gotten good timing on it. Always roll a 5 after my go is over or when I'm about to get CC'd into oblivion

[steep loom]

I actually almost prefer to get a 5 after my go lol. As long as I am cc dr'd. All it does is basically help get cds back faster.

[stoic spruce]

I've only had one 5 all DF

And I lost

[steep loom]

You're either not rolling enough or pvping enough then 😛

[stoic spruce]

I used all my luck on getting invincible within 6 months of farming

[waxen meteor]

Damn trying to push sin ranking and got a 2-4 first game

it should have been a 3-3 for a healer 6-0

but somehow monk won a game

[spring bough]

i love how i can do the most damage in the solo round and get told by a resto shaman im awful at pvp and do no damage but have the most wins? and he has the least? love it lol

[quaint cedar]

I swear the shit talkers are always the least skilled players

[jolly sierra]

yep

just tell them to git gud and stop being so jealous lol

[spring bough]

just now too. i been throwing my traps out when they are up. guess im not doing it right? have people spamming me to trap lol. i think 4 wins means im doing something right.....

[waxen meteor]

yeah some guys don't see anything

[spring bough]

it is so frustrating lol

1852 right now in solo with BM and i started playing hunter on sunday lol

[waxen meteor]

After you got familiar with BM you will get bored

[spring bough]

i just put all my stuns, silences, and scatter on mouseover/focus macros

and just spam that on the healer lol

it feels robotic. all my dps buttons are like 1-3 and thats it lmaooooo

[waxen meteor]

mine too

[spring bough]

outlaw im over here with macros out thru AZ its ridic lol

[quaint cedar]

It's honestly a bit depressing how much more effort outlaw has to put in compared to some other classes

[spring bough]

i just spam my mouse keybind and do more damage than my outlaw

sad

[quaint cedar]

Hell, I've already gotten 1966 on my rdruid that I haven't played this entire expac

And I only started playing it like 2 weeks ago

My 2nd outlaw was in the 2k range in shuffle but then I had a few bad shuffles, tanked down to 1800, and now that char is stuck in the 1900s

Idk how to even climb out. People in 1900 are just too stupid to play with outlaw

They don't even stay alive long enough for me to get to 2nd blind

[halcyon timber]

Because nerf rogues man. We are the problem mannn.

Illegal to rogue

[surreal barn]

@pearl warren How important is playing ER in shuffle? Is there a particular build you would suggest

[pearl warren]

as assa? very

7pt rupture and envenom both very good

i havent been playin much recently tho, on an hc kick

i never change talents as assa, i'll link the build in a sec

[surreal barn]

Thanks

[pearl warren]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAPFVUUFBRQKFEYhRQCRANVWJEUEQkFCUsQBQ

[waxen meteor]

Basically exactly the same as mine 🙂

I think just physical dmg point can be optional depends on the lobby

[jolly sierra]

yeah its pretty standard

[languid ravine]

imo drop +10% poisondam for -60 Sprint CD always

also atrophic seems better against smorc brains but not 100% sure

[waxen meteor]

I saw someone posting guide as full vers + feint build

[surreal barn]

What did that look like

[jolly sierra]

BREAKING NEWS

DUDE THEY ADDED ANOTHER DEFENSIVE TO SUB GIMME SOMETHING FOR ASSA REEEEEEEEEE

[acoustic junco]

you do realize it'll be nerfed by 50% in pvp and just be like nothing probably

[quaint cedar]

outlaw getting even more range on pistol? nice

[stoic spruce]

Perma 5% dr is nice

[halcyon timber]

Affected by dampening like everything else. It’s not a special case, also probably w choice node.

Yeah the 5% will be nice for outlaw boys

New dh talents are pretty filthy, keeping an eye on them to see what we are up against

[spring bough]

precision shot sounds dope

[stoic spruce]

It grew on me fast idk

[halcyon timber]

Sounds clean af

[stoic spruce]

I'm still waiting on the compensation for non ho builds because I don't want to vanish offensively anymore

[potent pivot]

fuck

[spring bough]

i dont see it happening lol

[stoic spruce]

It probably wont

[jolly sierra]

im in strike

ME ANGY

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHH

[spring bough]

what dont you like that they just did lol

[potent pivot]

removed active exsang

[spring bough]

looks like the nerfed the passive by 5% too lol

[potent pivot]

more healing for sub and not assa IS kinda "WTF?"

sub is immortal in comparison already

i really just want mfd back and IC not to be stealth only

[spring bough]

join the darkside and become a crackshotter next season lol

[jolly sierra]

i dislike than i will still have crystal bones

[languid ravine]

This is the way

[jolly sierra]

while sub already have decent stuff

[potent pivot]

i don't really care for outlaw as much as i do sub/assa

i enjoy all 3 specs, but thematically those 2 are my favorite

i play outlaw when i feel like spamming buttons and slamming

[languid ravine]

teleports behind you nothing personal kid

[jolly sierra]

PSHHHHH

[potent pivot]

don't you mean grapples behind you?

[languid ravine]

what do they call the finger sign techniques from naruto

[potent pivot]

jutsu

[languid ravine]

jutsu literally just means japanese technique

[jolly sierra]

fingering

oh my meme noooo

[potent pivot]

@jolly sierra i'm going to forego giving you a formal warning

[jolly sierra]

😦

[potent pivot]

but consider this a warning

[jolly sierra]

k

[potent pivot]

there was rule breaking stuff written there

[jolly sierra]

ahhh i see

[potent pivot]

just be careful :)

[languid ravine]

but how do I gouge if I grapple behind them

mid-flight of course, for stylepointrs

[spring bough]

but if you gouge you cant blind them all

[potent pivot]

you're the one that said you teleported behind tho

[languid ravine]

I meant thats like the whole sub spec fantasy

[potent pivot]

i still remember back in wrath

i'd go sub and gank ppl in bgs

[jolly sierra]

just step jump and turn to his face

[potent pivot]

step->strike->backstab->evis->dedge

[jolly sierra]

i swear if we are not given any defensive talents im camping innocent ppl in outdoor for s3

[halcyon timber]

Do onto others before they do onto you

-gandalf

[languid ravine]

they are all guilty because they didnt raise their voice about assass survivability

[jolly sierra]

i did, not my fault it reached deaf ears

even leveled a lv10 in US to go to forums

[halcyon timber]

Too busy quibbling about demise instead of actual feedback

[potent pivot]

next time you see realz is actively posting, try talking to them

[halcyon timber]

Esp that hunter hijacker

[jolly sierra]

cant

[potent pivot]

why

[jolly sierra]

im gunpointed by a mod

if i go to assa feedback im banned

[halcyon timber]

We get told to gtfo no one cares about pvp

[potent pivot]

then ping him in this channel

[jolly sierra]

they warned me once for that

[potent pivot]

if he's actively posting in the server

[languid ravine]

Imagine Raidboss adds start dispelling Kingsbane or removing your deathmark

[potent pivot]

then it's typically fine

they just don't want everyone and there brother pinging him at random

then it becomes an issue

[jolly sierra]

i recall once i tried to bring him to pvp channel

[potent pivot]

if you have real feedback, and he's already being pinged by others and is actively discussing

[jolly sierra]

and he dodged all of that

[potent pivot]

ic

[jolly sierra]

when he was up

sus

[potent pivot]

i'll see what i can do if i see that he's posting

[jolly sierra]

so maybe i can show u some feedback to share but im not directly talking to him anymore

too much problems stacked on me already

[potent pivot]

i already know if you try to post about pvp in the pve channels, everyone just says gtfo

it's kinda lame

[jolly sierra]

(and is not about ur recent formal warning lol)

[halcyon timber]

Unless they bring up pvp

[jolly sierra]

yeah, tbh im mad af

he never popped here after beta feedback

[halcyon timber]

Pve channels have a boys club going on and its not cool

They did all gang up on panda

[jolly sierra]

that is the reason i dmed u some time ago trickz

[jolly sierra]

yeah they gunpointed me after that day

[halcyon timber]

I saw

Kept making memes about it pretty much

Uncool

[potent pivot]

yeah ppl kinda tend to do that

[jolly sierra]

yeah, i dont care about that, just wanna having my defensives

[potent pivot]

a lot of ppl think "my content is all that matters, your's is shit lel"

[jolly sierra]

yep

[potent pivot]

"pvp is a mini game lel"

[halcyon timber]

Classes should be solid across the game

[potent pivot]

like we play the same videogame, no?

[jolly sierra]

"even pet battles are more relevant"

[halcyon timber]

Doesn’t matter what mode it is

[languid ravine]

this is true about unranked random battle grounds

[halcyon timber]

Cooked logic is “nerf hunters in bgs” makes zero sense

[jolly sierra]

the guy which was sabotaging rog rework in forums

was a hunt

i said to him

[languid ravine]

wait until people find out that Hunter Main Defensive costs 1 talent point, lasts 6 seconds and has a 3min CD

[jolly sierra]

than if he wants sudden demise removed

[languid ravine]

and you need to invest a second talent point to push the 20% damage reduction to 40%

[halcyon timber]

Jeeze man

That hunter can gargle farts

[jolly sierra]

then i will ask to have rapid fire, kill shot and explosive shot removed

specially for rapid fire

[halcyon timber]

Rapid Fire doesn’t do damage bro what do you mean?

Heh

[jolly sierra]

literal u got like three 40k volley shots before u can cc it

[halcyon timber]

Meanwhile demise — weeeeewoooo illegal!!

[jolly sierra]

remove it REEEEEEEEE

[halcyon timber]

XD

Sir! Assassination has some punch outside of dots! What do we do?

My dear lord…

Buff hunters and warlocks johnson, don’t give rogues any reason to believe.

[jolly sierra]

and nerf rogues again

[languid ravine]

I ve tried feral coz I thought it was similiar to assa

turns out they can do like 100k dps bursts

[halcyon timber]

At least ferals can do 200k bites atm

[jolly sierra]

heh

[halcyon timber]

Get free mfd for cycloning xD

[jolly sierra]

balanced

[languid ravine]

yeah except you dont need to even keybind it and it does 120k damage over 4 sec

[halcyon timber]

Good lord man

[stoic spruce]

How does their sustain feel?

[languid ravine]

honestly I suck terribly at feral, all debuffs look the same to me

do not enjoy feral at all

[stoic spruce]

Ah

I wonder if it's like unholy where it's strong but feels like ass to play

[halcyon timber]

Mfs can cleave bite too

[stoic spruce]

Big ass jaws lol

[halcyon timber]

XD

[languid ravine]

its a lot closer to Sub imo, you need to land those damage points where they hurt while pressuring with setups

and the dots are more a vehicle to that means rather than the afflock/assa style where everything is your dots

[halcyon timber]

Couldn’t tell while they deal 50k an entire shuffle match without cc’ing. (not joking/ poking at)

[quaint cedar]

Dude this pistol shot range on the ptr is SPICEY

I love it

[acoustic junco]

I mean it's cool but it's more about the 5% damage reduction.

[halcyon timber]

That 5% + deadened nerves + feint should be nice. Dh also got a similar talent it looks like for 5% more magic damage and 5% less damage taken.

[surreal barn]

What was the exsanguinate reasoning

That’s the only way I’m killin ppl in my bomb right now lol

[halcyon timber]

boys upstairs influence most likely

[surreal barn]

Burst of speed with shuriken storm is back baby

😂

Have you seen how fast we move taking the speed talents for 10% damage reduction yet

[halcyon timber]

prob getting tuned, as expected on ptr.

I agree with the positioning, they put it out of the way on purpose to encourage decision making in talents. Which is good.

[surreal barn]

Has to be. Otherwise we will be sitting at 65% speed with fleet footed and fade to nothing

Anytime we dance and storm lol

Also shadow runner so more like 85%

[halcyon timber]

agreed, I see what they were doing in this build and I highly agree with it.

[surreal barn]

The shadowcraft change is interesting

[halcyon timber]

seems more like a mechanical change to make it smooth out I guess

[surreal barn]

How would that play out in an opener then, just save up?

[halcyon timber]

"results may vary"

but yeah planning a little , i'm a big fan of shadowcraft

so it's roughly a 40% chance with shadowcraft which is kinda helping with the RNG of it all to steady out things.

w/o shadowcraft it is 28% to get a proc (flat, without the improved chance per non proc as it has functioned for 2 expansions now)

[halcyon timber]

Also still unsure where the Incandescent Enchant effect comes from and IF it is "supposed" to work in pvp or not.

[quaint cedar]

Assuming it doesn't get nerfed lol

omg rogues are getting even more defensives??? complaints incoming

[vocal surge]

true lol

[halcyon timber]

it's all choice node stuff, it's good but not THAT good. Mostly put in as a build diversity thing, which I dig.

[waxen meteor]

Damn trade post stuff are better and better

[spring bough]

did they announce if they have any more dragonriding mounts planned for the trade post?

[waxen meteor]

I think this one probably

[halcyon timber]

What if Assassination had a little Assassination node only in the class tree like ret received? But for leechy leech?

[jolly sierra]

would be nice tho

maybe more leech for the spec or something

simplistic and nice

[halcyon timber]

Like increased effectiveness for leeching psn for assassination?

[jolly sierra]

yeah, by like 5% or something like that

[halcyon timber]

So master poisoner makes it like 6% or some jazz. What’s the exsanguinate and other stuff heal for combined all together over a course of a minute on ptr?

[jolly sierra]

think poisoner doesn't stack leeching poison

cuz it doesn't counts as a poison anymore

before WOD

it was a non-lethal poison

so in that case would be interact in some way with poisoner tho

[analog crater]

How are all the rogue specs looking with the reworks? been playing feral and it just kinda makes me wanna play rogue again

[jolly sierra]

im feeling like shit in assa without any survivability buff

and become mad in afternoon when they buffed sub with more self healing and shielding for overhealing

outlaw received a 5%- received dmg with pistol shot

[analog crater]

Dont know if its just a me thing or not, so correct me if it is, but it feels like i can accomplish the same if not more with feral then any of the rogue specs, with a whole hell of a lot less buttons.

[halcyon timber]

Pretty much

[analog crater]

that any different in 10.2 so far or about the same?

think the biggest thing for me is feral right now is really feelin like when i last mained rogue back in cata lol

[halcyon timber]

No idea till we go live honestly man as stuff is changing a lot but we do feel smoother

Really depends on tuning in the end . So far we are shaping up well on ptr.

[copper pivot]

"Spectral Sight cooldown reduced to 30 seconds (was 1 minute/30 seconds), and Haste now affects its global cooldown."

This is a bit scary for rbg purposes

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/spell=188501/spectral-sight Still sees stealthed enemies

@meager hamlet since I guess PvP channel isn't the most read.
But like.. 33% uptime on spectral sight will have some insane implications in RBG/Your new Blitz mode.
Perhaps could just remove its ability to see stealthed pvp targets altogether?

[meager hamlet]

it's 30sec on live

[copper pivot]

Oh, I feel bad for pinging you then, sorry

[potent pivot]

hey if you're around there's a couple things i'd love to ask, if you're busy it's all good don't mind me. not sure how involved you are with pvp related stuff.
biggest thing i do see mentioned a lot conscerning pvp is assa's lack of survivability compared to the other specs - was curious if you’ve seen similar feedback/had any thoughts on something that could benefit assa on that topic.
other thing i was wondering was if you had any thoughts on MFD.. maybe making a comeback as a pvp talent if anything?
sorry for the ping!

[rotund fulcrum]

Current MFD is nice for assa. Would be cool to leave it as a choice node with deeper strat even if 99% of rogues won’t choose it cause idk if it’s worth a PvP talent slot

[potent pivot]

I agree. I guess the issue with that is there are a good amount of players that may feel forced/compelled to take it if it’s the best choice numerically in PvE. So I’m not sure if that’d be the desired outcome over all, but it does kinda feel bad losing something that important in PvP.

[minor cape]

realz in pvp chat 😏

[wary spire]

Not by choice but by a wild ping.

[twin burrow]

Wild ping?

[tepid quiver]

hi, today i finish my lvl up sub rogue and id like to start pracc arenas/bg for learning rotation opener etc, i ve checked builds from top players and seems like there's atleast 2 that can be played, could i get a recommendation? i have 0 idea so i need to learn from base. if one is easiest than another for start and still good, it works for me for example 😄 thanks in advance

[potent pivot]

There’s more than 2, there’s a handful that are decent. If you look in #pvp-faq you’ll see a few, just note that if you want to change a couple talents of any build because you feel you need/don’t need something then you should feel free. Build flexibility is really good right now for sub.

[jolly sierra]

oh, u did it

thank you trickz, hope he can reply soon

[jolly sierra]

some title ill never get in SS

[surreal barn]

More like Cattle Tender than Battle Mender amiright

[quaint cedar]

Not sure anyone is going to care about this title

They need to fix healer mmr

I play healers too and personally I wouldn't care about this lol

[twin burrow]

they need to simply walk into modor and throw the damned ring into the fire

[wanton breach]

probably less than the first aid title

[potent pivot]

I sorta doubt it... but I tried :’)

I didn’t even mention improved wound being gated behind numbing/atrophic being a bad waste of a point for sub, outlaw, assa w/o DTB

Didn’t want to bombard with too many things at once

[jolly sierra]

its something

[jolly sierra]

glad i got it lol

[white gazelle]

How is rogue rework looking

[stoic spruce]

Pretty good

Some abilities didn't make it :c

First sub takes flag from outlaw

Then db

And now aoe blind is in class tree

30 yard pistol shot and Between the Eyes though

[tepid quiver]

hey guys do you use a Shadow Dance uptime WA tracker???

couldn't find one

[quaint cedar]

Also acro. And if we want to go even further back, don't forget gouge and disarm too.

[stoic spruce]

Yeah tf was that about?

[quaint cedar]

Oh! And shadowdust

[stoic spruce]

Why did the cc bot get more ccs

Idr shadowdust

What's that again?

[quaint cedar]

CDR on all abilities when you vanish

Was the leggo that made outlaw OP in SL S3

Now it's in the sub spec tree

[stoic spruce]

Ah right

Yeah thats db

Dumb

[quaint cedar]

Which means sub also has access to shorter CD evasion and blind which used to also be an outlaw only thing....

At least with the new trees in 10.2 it feels like we're finally getting some unique stuff back that makes outlaw special

And not just a knockoff sub rogue

Loving all the new pistol stuff and having killing spree back

[surreal barn]

Outlaw could have a wild card 1000% damage pistol shot if you roll 5 buffs

That would be a casino I’d play at

[stoic spruce]

improvements to what we already have while sub leeches

they should take note

[waxen meteor]

getting straight healer 60s now

when i tried to push rating

[jolly sierra]

lol

[low moon]

was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction on where i can/should find upgrades. im fairly well geared PVE with heavy verse / crit gear from outlaw/sub, trying to get sin to 1800 in shuffle and just seeing where i can optimize. I have 2 sparks available w/ crests & conquest to fresh craft if i need to and ~2k conquest but not sure where would be best to put it;
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h7tfcfADB6eYQd73Hr1veH

[jolly sierra]

well in the first place in assa for pvp u use versa mastery

then

dps doesnt matter for pvp for rogue that much, ur ability to cc is the thing which is more relevant

try gearing full versa mastery and keeping 4set for all but shoulders

as embelishment try sporecloak w infurious boots

if u pve a lot too try getting 2 fanged 447 daggers

from crafting, that could work too

[waxen meteor]

I don't think pve gear even matters

also crit doesn't seem to matter too much as well

If I were you, I would craft the cloak

[jolly sierra]

nope, for assa is the worst stat by far

[waxen meteor]

How did I even lose this one

and healer was 5:0

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[waxen meteor]

and why affli lock did so low dmg

[jolly sierra]

is that low? lol

[waxen meteor]

well as affl lock it's quite low isn't it?

and apparently there's not even a melee or double melee training him

It's just free cast mostly, imagine boomie getting constant stuns from me

[wanton breach]

for an afflock, yes

[jolly sierra]

ah i see

i wonder how hard will be going to farm aspect crests in next season

[quaint cedar]

Me too

[jolly sierra]

do any of u have more info about that?

yeah i think u are interested in the fangs too

[quaint cedar]

So far looks like fang adornments are still going to BiS for outlaw

Yeah

[jolly sierra]

yep

[quaint cedar]

Does assa like them too?

[jolly sierra]

was used by some rank 1

as i recall

also, i lose sporecloak for next season

so

[quaint cedar]

Yeah isn't sporecloak getting nerfed hard?

[jolly sierra]

yeah it wont absorb shit anymore

[quaint cedar]

I see. Might as well go fang then

I wish we had a pvp item to set to whatever the pvp ilvl is like for all the other slots

[jolly sierra]

yeah lol why we cant have pvp scaling for that?

[quaint cedar]

I did see that crafted items were going to be slightly lower ilvl than regular items, even at max craft. Probably won't affect items crafted with the pvp ilvl tokens but will affect fang weapons

[jolly sierra]

yeah i know

[quaint cedar]

Wonder if that will make them not worth getting

[jolly sierra]

but still thinks will hit hard

are crests already up in ptr?

[quaint cedar]

Pve ones are

Last I checked pvp ones are not

I was able to craft fang on ptr with the pve crests

They still seem solid

[jolly sierra]

try w pve ones for fangs

yeah try it

[quaint cedar]

Though I didn't compare to pvp weapons yet

[jolly sierra]

i have a pair with r5 in retail too

[quaint cedar]

Same

[jolly sierra]

could upgrade them later in ptr tho

[quaint cedar]

Having those already crafted could be a nice advantage next season

We can just recraft at higher ilvl and not need to buy conquest weapons

[jolly sierra]

yeah the issue will be the fkn crest

ive heard will happen something

[surreal barn]

To buy blizzcon tickets or not to buy blizzcon tickets

🤔

[jolly sierra]

about those stuff being purchaseable with lesser crests