Indiscriminate Carnage duration is now 10 seconds (was 3 seconds).
#pvp
stoic spruce
Imagine having to put multiple talents to get a blind that's offset of the healers trinket cd
quaint cedar
- 30% movement speed
- 2 charges of feint
- blackjack easy to pick up
- riposte (small, but something)
- UUH extending AR, blade flurry, less slice maintenance, basically gives us another shadow dance
- KS actually does something
- Crackshot is a real burst for outlaw
- Improved AR lets us start with full CP
- Energy way less of a problem
- Nimble fingers easy to pick up
Lots of good stuff honestly
halcyon timber
Yeah that’s dicey
Please translate paj, I don’t speak assassination
Hopefully its cool for you guys
uneven grove
Please translate paj, I don’t speak assassination
after u open on someone, for 10 sec your garrote and rupture goes on +2 nearby targets
not 3 sec
halcyon timber
That’s cool
uneven grove
basically u can garrote rupture a whole RBG team
halcyon timber
Don’t say that loudly
peak agate
The added new branches for sin and moved some talents around.
quaint cedar
We really do need to hammer on FW though. Make some noise about it. Because that's my biggest concern for pvp in 10.2
halcyon timber
Bladerush is filthy
quaint cedar
No armor penetration for outlaw is terrible
halcyon timber
Glad to see it back for you guys
quaint cedar
Why make it sub exclusive when they have rupture and magic damage anyways....
quaint cedar
what DB?
halcyon timber
Gotta slow rogues down man
quaint cedar
I mean we don't take it on live and our CDR is fine
halcyon timber
Warlock conspiracy theorists win , flawless victory
stoic spruce
I take it when I don't need the root removal
quaint cedar
I just take precise cuts instead
DB is useless
It's actually a dps loss for HO builds
peak agate
I'm still sad I have to spec into poison bomb if I want to get dtb too...ah well
stoic spruce
When did this become a pve channel?
quaint cedar
though if you're not an HO enjoyer then you have a use for it
it's not pve to want to do more damage
I just don't see DB being useful in pvp
it depletes HP for slightly better CP generation
only slightly
because with HO you build so many CPs anyways
stoic spruce
High as a kite if it's slightly
stoic spruce
Not all the time
quaint cedar
ok
so remove like a third of your HP in pvp to get like 5 more CPs overall
fair trade
like that makes no sense
if it didn't take away HP then I'd be with you
but losing HP for a dps loss in pvp is just stupid
like you're better off not pressing the button
stoic spruce
I do more damage with db??
quaint cedar
enough damage to outweigh losing HP?
stoic spruce
That's not in shuffle
stoic spruce
Well the minimal gains means faster evasion/feint and more damage cds.
wise breach
Blah, still can't pick up Improved Wound without Numbing/Atrophic
peak agate
Lol I still have mark for death on ptr
quaint cedar
If we didn't have the CP generation that we have with just our normal rotation, I'd agree with you
Not saying you're wrong for liking the ability, I just don't think it's worthwhile in pvp and I disagree with the idea of throwing out the entire 10.2 rework and writing it off as being bad just because DB is gone
I was hoping it would get fixed and find a place in the outlaw kit, so I'm sad it was removed too
I reported tons of bugs with it and provided a lot of feedback on the thread
stoic spruce
All it takes is little tweaks but blizz has a kink for just REMOVING things.
quaint cedar
In particular it was bugged with Crackshot and would double dip on the HP loss for both the dispatch and the BtE
Which was devastating for pvp because you'd go down to like 20% HP
stoic spruce
And why does almost every tier set have some sort of proc chance? Why not give the player more agency in their rotation?
quaint cedar
just from dreadblades alone
I made a bug report and posted about it in the ptr thread hoping it would get fixed but instead....RIP
stoic spruce
Stomach hurts
quaint cedar
hopefully realz provides some insight on why dreadblades was removed and if there's any plans to rework it or replace it with something else
stoic spruce
I swear I'll have a stress induced heart attack by the time I'm 45
quaint cedar
we're still early in the ptr though and overall these are positive changes compared to live imo
lol
quaint cedar
one thing I've learned from ptr stuff it to never get too attached to anything
builds change every week
spring bough
hmmm so if DB is gone do we have a slight chance of cannonball barrage replacing it LOL
i just wanna summon that cannon again and become a real pirate
stoic spruce
Man if only that applied to abilities I've had since legion
sour charm
check notes
marked for death is gone
Alrighty then
stoic spruce
Yeah :/
quaint cedar
MFD being completely gone surprised me
like it just got reworked
and then poof
gone
sour charm
I guess every spec just plays dance now
pearl warren
and this is why i don’t overthink changes until they’re live 😭
wise breach
Would love to know the reasoning for MFD removal, because... wtf?
quaint cedar
everyone freaked out about aoe kidney and it's already deleted lol
stoic spruce
Tbf sub is already quite the CC bot
uneven grove
I'm still sad I have to spec into poison bomb if I want to get dtb too...ah well
i am actually glad they did this, i like posion bomb a lot in pvp
spring bough
feels like solo is dead on retail again lol. been in que like 30 minutes and nothing
peak agate
i am actually glad they did this, i like posion bomb a lot in pvp
Meh. I'm not going to knock your preference friend.
uneven grove
i just don't like its randomness
peak agate
I can agree there
I think that shit should be an active ability that is off the GCD so I can macro it to something else.
uneven grove
also they removed marked for death
that's interesting
doesn't hurt my assa brain tho, 6 combo points suits the 10.2 assa well imho
with 300 energy
acoustic junco
Aoe kidney is too strong for m+. It'd be 9 second kidneys on giant packs with evoker debuff
peak agate
doesn't hurt my assa brain tho, 6 combo points suits the 10.2 assa well imho
Along with the passive crit to our abilities and maybe using ambush you're looking at easy 6 cps.
uneven grove
Along with the passive crit to our abilities and maybe using ambush you're looki...
yeah i already did that, dance ambush ambush = 6 cp
and ambush hit really good with the 70% posion talent
spring bough
when MG does my most damage and we win the round i crack up lol
love all that passive dmg
peak agate
and ambush hit really good with the 70% posion talent
im getting around 70k on dummy if it crits
but pvp gear provides low mastery so maybe can get it higher
uneven grove
i had 100k average on RBGs when played with the blues
if i remember right
with the posion component together
spring bough
yo Informant if you are on this discord I LOVE U. what you just did to that healer has me crying laughing
peak agate
Sin 4pcs got buffed but still seems underwhelming. But adds to the a pve aoe most wanted.
spring bough
just did this on live. was all melee game so i picked up all the flurry talents LOL
surreal barn
Wait a new PTR update hit?
spring bough
yeah its out apparently lol
surreal barn
Time to log again
spring bough
im not going back till its final final lol
surreal barn
That bad huh
spring bough
not bad just dont wanna like something to have them change it lol
surreal barn
Did they take underhanded away
spring bough
nah just dreadblades but i never used that anyways and BR is where it was so thats even better
i did notice they added "20% reduction" to FTH's hits
idk if that was in the notes at anypoint but its on the tooltip now lol
stoic spruce
where can I get the dreadblades spell icon?
quaint cedar
I wish the aoe blind didn't nerf duration by 40%.
I get why it does, but still sucks
With aoe blind and blinding powder you get a 45 sec CD blind
But it's only a 3 sec duration in pvp so pretty useless
And you lose gouge
I don't even care about the aoe part I just want blind on a shorter CD
Especially if healers are really going to have 1.5 min trinket
I've heard on ptr it's actually 1 min. I hope that's a bug because that seems insane
Notes said it would be 1.5 min
halcyon timber
With aoe blind and blinding powder you get a 45 sec CD blind
50% with irritant is 1min, outlaws’ talent grants an additional 25% so it should be 45sec cd for outlaw. Its a bug if it isn’t, or false advertisement.
quaint cedar
Yup
Going to be some big dampener games in the future I bet
I didn't test any healers on ptr but someone told me they goofed and it's actually a 1 min CD trinket right now
Better be a bug, because that's disgusting
Nothing will ever die if that goes live
Not until healer goes oom anyways
halcyon timber
working as intended, it's a feature now.
jolly bear
guys how do I deal with warlocks who tank harder than a fully geared prot warrior running a +30
dark pact makes me wanna cry
languid ravine
use wrecking throw with the talent for an instant 160k damage against absorb shields
wary spire
MFD. 
minor cape
guys how do I deal with warlocks who tank harder than a fully geared prot warrio...
even tho warlock is tanky his resource is limited
if you play against destro or affli you kinda have to focus them anyway
minor cape
choose easier to kill target and gouge the other one to oblivion
dh, ret, fury war will be your focus most likely 🫡
or monk if he bad
loud sable
MFD. <:pepehands:757566347558387803>
really just whyy? and stileto staccato ? 😢
why they buffing damned sectech again 😦
wary spire
Nobody cares about our minigame.
loud sable
i just wanted spam evis like a crazy after goremaw+mfd T_T
surreal barn
You know how in legion they changed our class fantasy to be more shadowy
And then decided purple over black for the shadowy part
wintry dew
Question, what's going on about healers and the 90s CD on trinket? Will it be a thing on S3?
languid ravine
my marksman hunter in skirmish is freecasting
results: 0 scattershot, 0 ice trap, 0 interrupt, 0 stun, 0 dispel :^)
potent pivot
why they buffing damned sectech again 😦
Thank the lord 
surreal barn
According to the big man Sectec should be insta-adding combo points in their next update from the 2pc
It’s no rotten playstyle but I mean… if you pop the tec first and follow with saved up shadow technique points… maybe it will come close?
jolly sierra
use wrecking throw with the talent for an instant 160k damage against absorb shi...
love that against locks
the guy just panics
languid ravine
when you remove the shield it says like WRECKED! in big letters on the screen 
where is rogues "KILLING SPREE" when you kill someone with KILLING SPREE?
queen geyser
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
WHY IS MARKED FOR DEATH GONE
I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT
quaint cedar
Yeah idk
Weird change
Getting blade rush into a more accessible spot and not on a choice node with ghostly strike was a big win
But losing MFD is sad
DB has been dogshit for a long time but I'm sad to lose our artifact ability entirely. I was hoping it would get reworked instead
wanton breach
where is rogues "KILLING SPREE" when you kill someone with KILLING SPREE?
you can make a weakaura for that
shadow creek
Still would like to know the reasoning for obliterating MfD, it was a actually fun button to press, meanwhile we’re still stuck with SnD on the GDC
Would also really like to see Crackshot decoupled from stealth…I know this is an unpopular opinion here, but we are effectively pigeonholed into dance unless we want to take a bath on dps
And finally, we 💯 need armor pen back, at least in PvP. The suggestion to add 2% armor pen to each stack of Brawler is a good one. It solves the problem without polluting PvE balance
languid ravine
Is there like an official statement why MFD was removed? it seems so random, like throwing a dart at the wall and that one gets deleted cuz muh buhtton bloaht
like its been with rogue forever, its such a versatile and rewarding button to pull off successfully
queen geyser
And finally, we 💯 need armor pen back, at least in PvP. The suggestion to add 2...
PvE comes first :(
wary spire
Yeah idk
My only hope is that they'll add it back but just not sure where yet.
Like where would you put it the the tree?
wanton breach
Still would like to know the reasoning for obliterating MfD, it was a actually f...
probably reducing button bloat and balancing issues - still sad to see it gone in pvp
shadow creek
PvE comes first *:(*
Yeah, but adding armor pen to Brawler wouldn’t affect PvP…just not convinced it’s on their radar at all, since we haven’t heard a single thing about it from the devs/cm so far
languid ravine
-play outlaw for one hour
-grapple hook failed 5 times already
jolly sierra
heh
shadow creek
-play outlaw for one hour
-grapple hook failed 5 times already
Plus still no word on that or the Blackjack bug…
jolly bear
bro maybe I'm just bad (I am) but I cant get any wins in ss
last game the Devoker just disintegrated everyone into the floor he did way more dmg than anyone else in the game
I try to focus him and it doesnt stop him lol
same with balance druids
idk how they outdamage everyone while running away the whole time
I'm only 1530 if that helps
quaint cedar
Yeah, but adding armor pen to Brawler wouldn’t affect PvP…just not convinced it’...
We did actually get something last night
I asked realz about it and he answered me
quaint cedar
Plus still no word on that or the Blackjack bug…
Oh and blackjack bug appears to be fixed as well
Really hoping he adds armor pen back for outlaw. I really like the idea of attaching it to enduring brawler
halcyon timber
idk how they outdamage everyone while running away the whole time
Not going to out damage people usually. You’re there to be annoying and get blamed for dumb stuff and then get nerfed for it
jolly bear
I'm sick of getting cc'd and micro cc'd every time I exist near someone lmao
shadow creek
Oh and blackjack bug appears to be fixed as well
That’s great news. So I assume it works with ape blind…?
halcyon timber
Part of just how it goes man
halcyon timber
That’s great news. So I assume it works with ape blind…?
Yes, mind you 3s duration for blind and trading gouge for it.
jolly bear
yeah it's just that I watched a Pikaboo video yesterday and he was making it seem so easy. I know he's literally a pro but like how do you deal with all that cc
shadow creek
I’m sort of new to this community, is there way to know when and where Realz will post here?
shadow creek
Yes, mind you 3s duration for blind and trading gouge for it.
Yeah it’s a tough choice, but I like that, it adds build variety
halcyon timber
yeah it's just that I watched a Pikaboo video yesterday and he was making it see...
Read the field for what is drd and make your control when you are DRd. Make people clone dr you as an example and be more patient which is frustrating but its how we have to win
W key classes are just going to do that
surreal barn
Also, moving up the shuffle ladder on sub rogue feels like such an accomplishment
Just keep at it
quaint cedar
I’m sort of new to this community, is there way to know when and where Realz wil...
You can do a search for "from:.realz" and that should show you anything he's said
halcyon timber
You get an ape DH to chase you, you kidney him and beat his behind like a cherokee drum
jolly bear
oh I can see everyone else's DRs but not my own how do I do that
quaint cedar
I just got lucky and happened to be looking at the chat when he popped in, so I was able to ask him about the armor pen
shadow creek
You can do a search for "from:.realz" and that should show you anything he's sai...
Thanks. No way to know in advance, though, like scheduled sync sessions?
halcyon timber
Diminishing (if it works as the dev said hes not going to do it anymore) or tell me when for dr tracking
quaint cedar
Yeah. He doesn't schedule times to talk in discord, he just pops in occasionally.
shadow creek
I just got lucky and happened to be looking at the chat when he popped in, so I ...
Glad you did, thanks man
surreal barn
oh I can see everyone else's DRs but not my own how do I do that
I use diminish it adds my own to their nameplates
quaint cedar
no problem! I'm so glad he answered me
He didn't confirm anything of course but it's good to know he's keeping an eye on it
It's my biggest concern for outlaw in pvp next patch
surreal barn
Lol aoe blind is about to piss off so many afflic locks in rbgs
halcyon timber
oh I can see everyone else's DRs but not my own how do I do that
Stick to it as the cards are stacked against you, we require team mates to do the right thing as well and when they aren’t you just have to find a good moment in the chaos to make your own play
quaint cedar
All 3 plate classes are melee, and outlaw is the "anti-melee" rogue spec. Doesn't make sense for us to get countered by armor, more so than any other rogue spec
jolly bear
feels like every time I do that it's never enough or the wrong play but I can't tell. this is my first season in pvp ever
halcyon timber
Cough cough put cough brawler idea you had there cough in the new spot
jolly bear
idk how healers complain about being useless when they press a button and full heal someone instantly
now im useless for a minute
halcyon timber
feels like every time I do that it's never enough or the wrong play but I can't ...
It will take time my man, it isn’t easy especially with more people cheesing and cheating throwing matches and ish. There are definitely discords who do that somewhere. In ffxiv it was the same, they had a giant private discord that did all the silly stuff to keep their guys on top so people wouldn’t climb
jolly bear
im trying to do kidney/blind healer > cheap/kidney kt but its still not enough
everyone cries about sub rogues being op so I figured this should be easier than it has been lol
I'm stuck at 1500 pretty much
halcyon timber
You’ll climb just look for opportunities
jolly bear
I stopped playinf or a bit bc solo queues were too long
and then to go like 1-5 or 2-4 after waiting all that time was demoralizing
waxen meteor
im trying to do kidney/blind healer > cheap/kidney kt but its still not enough
Cc is great at higher cr games
But at low rank lots of people just zug without checking with teammate or enemy healer
You setup a cc chain, but they might not use burst anyway
People use burst on CD
That’s it
jolly bear
or they break my blind...
waxen meteor
Tbh in sub 2100 range dealing dmg is 80% of the win
You do a small cc on healer when it’s possible to close
Grab the win
I did two 2100 lobby with ret alt today
Basically zug zug and close out game by a stun on healer when I see teammate goes on burst
jolly bear
maybe I tunnel too hard
halcyon timber
Yeah it’s a tough choice, but I like that, it adds build variety
Agreed, i dig choices. Hate restrictions or “this is the only x”
waxen meteor
maybe I tunnel too hard
The thing is when your teammates are not on same page, your cc chain value is halved
jolly bear
The thing is when your teammates are not on same page, your cc chain value is ha...
I tell them not to stun and they just go off and do whatever they want anyway
waxen meteor
I tell them not to stun and they just go off and do whatever they want anyway
Speak but not rely on that
If they stun whoever we stun healer ..
jolly bear
warriors with shockwave DRing everyone including the healer 🥰
surreal barn
im trying to do kidney/blind healer > cheap/kidney kt but its still not enough
Shadow Duel into Kidney and then Blind into sap or gouge will win you so many matches
If you duel and they try to pillar then you can often get a restealth to sap as well. Happens to monks often
After 2100 it gets more complicated
jolly bear
so I’m not trying to kill but to control in duel?
halcyon timber
You “can” but it comes down to —> it depends
A lot of the time, other classes do the job while you’re a cc monkey
Just the way things are now jimbo . Gimmicks and cc monkey
fading blade
whats that addon that tracks history?
jolly sierra
you need to befriend the healer and keep him well treated
else u won't have healers
XD
shuffle helped me w that shortage, thanks god
jolly bear
I try but everyone on this game is scared of voice chat
like bro I’m not gonna beat you up lol
apparently 90% of wow has social anxiety
makes no sense
halcyon timber
whats that addon that tracks history?
Dunno that one man . I think it is called Arenastats. I just looked it up and that might be what you’re looking for
halcyon timber
I try but everyone on this game is scared of voice chat
Just punks being punks and leaving after a loss. Community needs to be better.
jolly bear
yeah they elitist mentally is crazy like why is every ad in lfg arena 1k rating but 2.6k exp? lmao
waxen meteor
imo, when it's 1500 cr like tesota
being a cc monkey doesn't do much
time required for your teammates to land a kill is like twice longer than a 2.6lobby
jolly sierra
is like that in US?
here at least all the comps i had used VC
everybody but an italian, cuz we coordinated well and speaking in broken wasn't a good idea lol
waxen meteor
I didn't have too many 1500 MMR games
but lower MMR games turn to be like that
as sub, when it's 2-3 range, I could easily push the pace to aggresive and attacking
but when it's melee blend, i really don't know what i can do
rogue sets some cc chain with CDs, but if no kill or low health condition is created
just wasting cd and get trained 24/7
I got so many of these
what does it do?
the left one
jolly sierra
what does it do?
being sellable for 5g each
the thing is those ones are useless cuz are the lowest tier for upgrades
they works with LFR items and 10.1 greens
still recall sometimes w rog when i dropped to SS hell from 2k to 1k4
for bad matches or some sudden DC
like sometimes happened
ppl is just dumb
but when u drop there is easy to climb again
the problem when u are dropping are 1k6 tho
languid ravine
I ve gone and sacrificied like a 1000 vers for crit, and now Outlaw feels decent again
maybe vers secretly bad
jolly sierra
wut
waxen meteor
sounds strange
halcyon timber
shadow creek
Vers should still be more valuable for outlaw, that’s odd
jolly bear
HDR does that when u take screenshots for some reason
languid ravine
Vers should still be more valuable for outlaw, that’s odd
yeah you right, its still better than even 170% crit multi kek
maybe its because of the increase in volatility that has people use their defensives more often
or maybe its because I m playing more aggro
queen geyser
I ve gone and sacrificied like a 1000 vers for crit, and now Outlaw feels decent...
Vers has rough diminishing returns, and the PvP gear is very vers-overloaded
I've been swapping for mastery/vers crafted gear and it's felt way better
languid ravine
its not enough diminish to make it worse than crit, just on a pure dps perspective
shadow creek
With tier sets I tend to cap out around 30% vers, is that too high?
shadow creek
I’ve been playing high mastery build to mitigate some of the dumpster fire damage we were putting out early S2
Based on my play on PTR I’ll likely switch to vers/crit in 10.2, unless something radical happens
shadow creek
Not sure, good question. I know it’s pretty high
quaint cedar
I think vers/crit will be the way in 10.2
I tried haste and honestly, it didn't seem to help much at all. Even with the new incentizes to run it
But with crackshot and being able to take improved BTE (4x crit damage), crit will have very high value
shadow creek
Yeah agreed
vocal surge
Ye
I've been running 30% crit, 17% haste, and almost 50% vers in the PTR
I am starting to feel we're hitting our secondary stat wall as Outlaw
and the only other secondary stat we can really boost is Mastery which is meh damage wise
As far as Haste interaction with the Slice and Dice talent and Killing Spree
Killing Spree doesn't gain damage from Haste, it just speeds up the rate you go through all 16 attacks by not much
52% haste reduces it down to 1.9s from 2.8 base
even thou 17% haste is already at ~2.3
and for the slice and dice talent
the attack speed will change everytime you haste change
50% Base + Haste%
So if you have 66% haste for a moment
you get 116% attack speed
but then when you drop the haste
the attack speed drops
it always maintains a 1:1 Attack Speed : Haste benefit
queen geyser
Killing Spree doesn't gain damage from Haste, it just speeds up the rate you go ...
Still matters, and that's all that matters to me
Seconds are minutes
I am speed
vocal surge
Its at most a GCD or 2 for us
also with how much Vers we have on PvP gear
we're probably going to have to take some pieces of gear with Crit/Mastery
since Haste doesn't scale as well beyond a certain point for us
~17%
At the certain point, our energy regen out paces the spending we do
with almost 30% haste, I can pistol fire for a while before running out of energy and thats without energy procs
Versatility wise, since im almost at 50%
the vers drop off really hurts once you dip into that 50% area
halcyon timber
Thing is, I hope they take into consideration that not everyone wants to pick tea like the pve buzzards.
Doesn’t mean jack up the flow of our class because people want to take those talents.
jolly sierra
booyz - the best pvp server in EU?
its ravencrest tho mr sexooooo
nova viper
its ravencrest tho mr sexooooo
okay 
jolly sierra
if is horde then its draenor
nova viper
Ravencrest sound's fun
jolly sierra
yeah its full of high end pvp allies
nova viper
i played on Argent Dawn and finding a pvp guild is impossible xD
jolly sierra
sexoooooooooooooooooooooo
sexoooooooooo
ahh yeah, argent dawn, the server where u can be assaulted and forced to RP
XD
nova viper
ahh yeah, argent dawn, the server where u can be assaulted and forced to RP
RP is fun, but i love pvp
and i want learn about pvp
glacial aurora
they removed mark for death???!?!
surreal barn
Ya we are pro life now
jolly sierra
RP is fun, but i love pvp
thought u were good already
yeah we are now preservation rogues
nova viper
thought u were good already
No, buddy xD I'm a noob with a 1.8 - 2 ratio
nova viper
i have laptop, but for gaming from 2020
jolly sierra
nice
jolly sierra
Hyyype <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
your first steps to glory lol
acoustic junco
mastery is definitely tanked next season.
for outlaw. losing 5% proc rate, scales pretty badly, doesn't proc off crackshot BTE.
it's probably going to be a bunch of get stats to certain level optimization.
quaint cedar
Oh right, I didn't think about that. Main gauche only procs off of main hand strikes, and that doesn't include pistol shot or bte.
Figures, we finally get easy access to riposte after we stop caring about mastery lol
languid ravine
oh god riposte
-pvp only talent
-can't afford to take it in pvp
stoic spruce
Yall still gonna run crackshot?
halcyon timber
they removed mark for death???!?!
Yep welcome to the future of ferals having mfd only
halcyon timber
It's insanely good
Shhhhh don’t let warlocks hear that
glacial aurora
Yep welcome to the future of ferals having mfd only
But why 😦
halcyon timber
But why 😦
Because they gotta slow us down man. Pvers don’t have fun when you beat on them in front of their precious raid.
jolly bear
this might be a weird question but if I have someone craft me a dagger it'll still be good all thru next patch as long as I upgrade it accordingly right?
acoustic junco
You'd have to recraft it with the new stuff from the newest season
jolly bear
okay bc I want a dagger offhand
jolly sierra
u will recraft it anyways
but if u can get it in r5
sure go ahead
i did that by public order and got a r5
jolly bear
yikes scary
shadow creek
The mouth is disturbingly close to the udders
gleaming pawn
Disturbingly close, or strategically placed
jolly bear
Disturbingly close, or strategically placed
same thing
halcyon timber
stategically disturbed
wicked tide
I have a feeling this season 2pc is still gonna be BiS for sub next season if they dont disable it
any thoughts on this
waxen meteor
Isn’t rotten already changed in 10.2
waxen meteor
Yeah the s3 gear has a huge jump of 39 item level or sth
peak agate
Yeah the s3 gear has a huge jump of 39 item level or sth
Get ready for 898k hp unbuffed in pvp
wicked tide
its still guarenteed crit just doesn't give u the combo points
also the energy regen i hear is slow on ptr i haven't tested myself
halcyon timber
Isn’t rotten already changed in 10.2
Yea it is changed already.
Definitely get that crud outta here though.
minor cape
can you stun , gouge, or blind through life cocoon?
you can
jolly bear
well fk me I lost a 2s match bc I thought I couldnt and I didnt wanna waste blind
vocal surge
basic wow setting
nova viper
basic wow setting
WHERE 
vocal surge
Options - Combat - Target of Target (Under Raid Self highlight and Personal Resource Display)
tribal badger
Oh right, I didn't think about that. Main gauche only procs off of main hand str...
it procs off the dispatch half of BtE
but crackshot cant double proc it
so u still have 1 chance to proc it per finisher during those burst windows
but yea losing the 5% proc chance sucks
quaint cedar
That's true
I guess mastery isn't completely useless next season then
I still think crit will be the way to go though
Where do we lose 5% proc chance again?
tribal badger
when the new talents drop
languid ravine
Q: where?
A: WHEN
This guy understands spacetime fully
languid ravine
I m starting to hate Hunters more than I do Paladins
tribal badger
oh i misread
languid ravine
if I m attacked by a Shipdit in open worlds its almost always Hunters
tribal badger
its a talent early in the tree idr the name
tribal badger
actually wait am i gaslighting myself rn
we didnt even lose the 5% MG proc chance talent
its just during BF only which is the same as live
shadow creek
Not sure exactly what you mean; improved main gauche is still there
acoustic junco
Imp main gauche is 10% on live. It's 5% on ptr
shadow creek
Ah, right, sorry, got confused, thought y’all meant it was completely gone
nova viper
Options - Combat - Target of Target (Under Raid Self highlight and Personal Reso...
THANKS!
surreal barn
Been playing as assa on the ptr, feels loads better than sub
The 45 second goremaw was a great change though
Huge difference there
steep loom
for outlaw. losing 5% proc rate, scales pretty badly, doesn't proc off crackshot...
It doesn't proc off the bte of crackshot. But it should proc off the dispatch
graceful ravine
is solo rbg coming next patch or just blitz non-rated version?
tribal badger
It doesn't proc off the bte of crackshot. But it *should* proc off the dispatch
it does we tested it a few days ago
waxen meteor
basic wow setting
really? i have been trying to have this back but it never works since DF
waxen meteor
Options - Combat - Target of Target (Under Raid Self highlight and Personal Reso...
I don't think it works anymore with DF UI
Could you show me your UI if it works?
chrome schooner
About PTR, has there been any communication from the guy who worked on the tree regarding the fact that you cannot play the upper left side of the class tree without wasting points into a poison you will never use if you want to play the slow and are not Assa with DTB talented ?
It already feels bad as Assa w/o DTB, but as Sub and Outlaw you don't even have the option to have 2 non lethal poisons anyway so you are forced into giving away a point that does literally nothing
I believe this issue was talked about a few times already
potent pivot
I believe this issue was talked about a few times already
I don't think there's been any solid response to it yet, as far as i'm aware at least
i do know there's been a good handful of people that've pointed it out though
chrome schooner
Has there even been a non solid one?
chrome schooner
What was it, if I may ask ?
I see
That would be nice
Tbh the poison choice node should be a side choice with no follow up
potent pivot
what i read wasn't directly from the dev, that's why i don't consider it a solid 100% going to happen thing
but it does seem like they know about the issue etc
chrome schooner
Alright
Also please move the increased healing taken from Sub to Assa :p
Assa has the only spec tree with nothing to bolster the defensive side of things while SUb & Outlaw already have plenty
midnight bough
I have pve 447 dagger vers mastery, would 450 crit vers dagger be better?
3 ilvl > stats?
vocal surge
I don't think it works anymore with DF UI
queen geyser
The charge and mongoose bite gave me a stroke for a second
Then I remembered
"Oh yeah some people make macros for custom icons I used to do that"
vocal surge
x)
languid ravine
why does this exist:
people that are SO stupid that I can't explain to them how stupid they are BUT still intelligent enough to communicate their stupidity to me
this needs to be banned from realspace
torn stump
have a question, when outlaw PVP, is it need Shiv?
languid ravine
yes, put it on your bars
tribal badger
i think u could probably skip shiv in the new tree
if u wanted to
idk if its necessary
vocal surge
In the new tree, you can take shiv
For melee matchups that require you to avoid certain combos
tribal badger
u always had to take shiv to get stuff u wanted before, you can skip it now
vocal surge
like Warrior Stormbolt
tribal badger
how does shiv help you avoid that
vocal surge
Shivving a warrior right before they stormbolt and blow CDs allows you to avoid getting bursted
since it takes the entire duration of stormbolt for them to get in range to hit you when you're meleeing them from acrobatic strikes
While having a near perma 66% movement speed slow is good for Crippling Poison
tribal badger
it takes them 3 seconds to move 3 yards into melee range?
vocal surge
its good to have an emergency 84% mspeed slow for melee match ups like that
tribal badger
i have never experienced this or seen a streamer do it
vocal surge
4s for me
tribal badger
the increased slow is nice obviously
most warriors I meat will stormbolt right before a charge tho
to ensure uptime during it
vocal surge
That's only if they're allowed to charge
tribal badger
well if ur at max acro range they are 1 yard away from charge minimum range
so it would be faster for them to step back and charge at you instead of running at you
but maybe most dont realize that
that sounds absurdly niche and hard to pull off for most tho, I dont even see top outlaw streamers time that right
torn stump
so shiv good for outlaw's pvp, right?
tribal badger
but shiv def has its uses, its nice we can skip it for some matchups now tho to put a point elsewhere
vocal surge
It has its uses
tribal badger
since you can now path to improved wound without taking shiv
vocal surge
and you can definitely predict when warriors stormbolt
Also if warriors use charge at 8yds
that's a complete waste
for reconnecting when you're going to later retreat behind pillars
tribal badger
is it if they are training a melee? idk getting uptime during their major burst seems worth a charge
but also all warriors major CDs are bladestorming now so ur shiv cripple isnt going to do much of anything
avater is Bstorm, plus running actual bstorm
maybe more useful vs fury
vocal surge
I see it as useful for both
tribal badger
wait also warriors avatar removes snares so if he stormbolt > avaters he'd just remove ur improved cripple anyway
i dont really see how that works vs good warriors
vocal surge
That depends on when that happens
torn stump
and other aspect shiv need 30energy and 30cd, if this energy use other attack skill, is it better than shiv?
vocal surge
in the first clash yes
he will pop Avatar after stormbolt charge
just shiv right after and walk away
tribal badger
well ur not using shiv for damage ur using it to avoid damage
vocal surge
Every clash afterwards
tribal badger
well u cant shiv the first 6s of avatar (since hes bladestorming)
vocal surge
you're going to be able to shiv before the stormbolts
We probably face different warriors
vocal surge
the warriors I fight can cancel out bladestorm to do an interrupt on my healer if he's too close
tribal badger
oh yea theyll do that but thats only if ur healers standing in melee range of you/them and casting
torn stump
well ur not using shiv for damage ur using it to avoid damage
yes I know
tribal badger
@vocal surge u wont even need shiv to do that anyway if cripple doesnt get nerfed in pvp since the new poison talent brings it up to 72% slow 
i doubt thats gunna make it to live without a pvp mod tho
tribal badger
thats like
nothing SHEESH
still passively stronger then almost all frost mage slows
66% is massive for a passivly applying cripple
tribal badger
I mean i feel like thats the strongest melee snare in the game no?
and stronger then most ranged also
DK is the only one higher and it takes resources and a gcd to use
(is chains still 70%?)
vocal surge
Its about 70%
torn stump
but -30% dmg&heal
vocal surge
Depends but you're going to need a cancel aura for Blade Flurry and players tend to cleave your CC'd targets.
tribal badger
i mean i guess you could turn blind into an additional defensive against double melee teams that are going to be chasing you
torn stump
and maybe is 3s not 2.5s
tribal badger
@vocal surge it just makes blind aoe, you dont need to BF
vocal surge
Also last I recall Blackjack is bugged with Blind (doesn't apply). Going to have to check
Ye but in case you do have BF up, you want Blind to have that cancel aura on it
tribal badger
maybe, altho with this version of blind its more used as an interupt and DR then an actual cc
since its duration is miniscule
but it could have its uses, especially against teams that stack for sure
blind wont really be part of cc chains anymore but would be more like a defensive/45s cd interupt
torn stump
yes, that's what I thought
surreal barn
What are the chances we can get good ol deadly throw back
Ever since messing around on assa I miss it lol
torn stump
Also last I recall Blackjack is bugged with Blind (doesn't apply). Going to have...
is it work on blind now?
quaint cedar
It does in the ptr yes
Aoe blind might be useful in shuffle against melee cleave
You're still giving up blind as a CC on the healer
quaint cedar
But with aoe blind and blinding powder it's a 48sec cd on a 3 sec disorient that also applies a 30% damage reduction debuff for what, 6 seconds?
vocal surge
quaint cedar
So could be a decent defensive tool
quaint cedar
lol why 47%? Such a random number
vocal surge
No idea
vocal surge
same
quaint cedar
I won't even play the 2 set from this season because it breaks gouge
It's only like a 2% dps increase at best anyways
torn stump
but if choose aoe blind, cant have gouge
vocal surge
Yep
quaint cedar
I'd rather my gouge just works
quaint cedar
Idk actually
vocal surge
¯_(ツ)_/¯
quaint cedar
I tested it once, saw it was a 3 sec duration, went "yup this is trash" and switched back to gouge lol
vocal surge
havent been able to find a 3s game where an AOE Blind wins the game
torn stump
seems gouge better...
tribal badger
ye i mean u give up a ton of cc to take it as a defensive
def seems meh
but its uncapped so like, it could be memes against unholy dk i guess
blind his entire army and player
run away
tribal badger
ye thats why it was added
quaint cedar
Still, you're trading both gouge and regular blind. Pretty steep cost
quaint cedar
Yeah. Rogues are the "CC class" but we're getting dominated by other classes when it comes to CC in mythic+
tribal badger
our cc was just dated, all the good stops for m+ are mid to low cd aoes stops now a day
quaint cedar
When I was doing 16s for my fang adornments I legit felt so damn useless in those keys
vocal surge
Warlocks cough cough
tribal badger
since blizzard changed the formula for mobs casting abilities knock ups/1 second incaps and aoe stuns are king by far
quaint cedar
I'm just there for damage and rogue damage isn't even good in mythic+
I wish blizzard would move away from the giant aoe pull dungeon design but I think most players like it better that way
So not going to happen
tribal badger
it makes the "esport" style of m+ more interesting for sure
seeing teams compete in how big and rediculious they can pull
quaint cedar
Yeah
tribal badger
blizzard did sorta try to curb it with nerfs to aoe caps, increasing the toxicity of caster mobs etc
quaint cedar
And then there's poor outlaw still sitting there with an 8 target cap
tribal badger
but pulling 1 pack at a time just isnt nearly as interesting so theyve def backed off from that
torn stump
if gouge baseline, maybe will choice it
tribal badger
i dont think its intended to be a pvp talent so i doubt they make gouge baseline
its pretty clearly purposed as an aoe stop (not even cc) for m+
vs a 1 target strong cc for pvp
quaint cedar
Yeah
vocal surge
^
torn stump
I know it wont happen
tribal badger
cause reality is blind was nearly useless in pve
it was a sad fact that the CC class had the worst modern CC for m+ dungeons
2 expacs in a row almost
quaint cedar
Yup pretty much
vocal surge
yep
quaint cedar
Even in pvp we aren't that far ahead on cc anymore
tribal badger
now we have one of the best honestly
similar cd to aoe knockups/stuns
not on stun dr
ogcd and no cost
very very nice talent
quaint cedar
Kidney shot is no longer the longest stun and blind is a bit of a joke now
Compared to clone
Druid mostly outperforms us on cc now
tribal badger
mhm but ours still combos well
we still have the best cc combo with kidney > blind > sap
if on a long a cooldown
vocal surge
druids have some of the obnoxious CC kits to deal with
quaint cedar
Yeah. But with healers getting reduced trinket CD that shit will just be auto trinketed anyways so who cares really
Meanwhile druids can triple clone with no CD
chrome schooner
Shame, it was looking good with the buff to finishers
surreal barn
Yeah it definitely promotes a play style I enjoy
Maybe they will replace with vendetta 👀
Outlaw with vendetta would scare the hell outta me
languid ravine
Hunter in my lobby playing 1d Chess against himself and lost
languid ravine
just gonna doubt it here, there needs to be only ONE talent on the whole tree that is competitive for you to almost never pick it in PvP
quaint cedar
You definitely want UHUH, it's really good
Killing Spree seems fairly good too
Like it's not going to 1 shot anyone but
it's solid
I'd drop GSW personally
and pick up UHUH
shadow creek
Yeah it makes no sense to me, because no PvEr is going to take improved wound poison, and no PvPer is going to take numbing or atrophic…it’s a really awkward placement.
tribal badger
Its a point tax more likely
They dont want u getting everything u want for free
Sucks you only pay it for pvp tho
halcyon timber
what's aoe blind 's range?
Really really close . Targets are like 2-3 yards from each other
acoustic junco
if you play crackshot, you have to take UHUH. it's what makes crackshot so good is the 6 second windows for it from stealth.
and playing crackshot without GSW just seems like a mistake.
tribal badger
ur probably wasting quite a few GSW procs playing crackshot but u get some additional as well tru
vocal surge
I'd remove a point from Killing Spree and put it into UHUH
stoic spruce
Yeah but I ran it with dreadblades and now that it's gone, my bte casts have diminished a lot.
acoustic junco
it should be store two stacks of FTH. stun, dance/vanish/meld + stealth, FTH, BTE, FTH, BTE and just replace a FTH with BTE if you get ace
tepid willow
honestly I've never liked outlaw's killing spree so unless it's a giant tweaker move now I aint seeing it happening
rotund fulcrum
Doesn’t UHUH make night elf for sure the best ?
tepid willow
hold up, does UHUH stack with subterfuge?
or is subterfuge dead in the water if you want UHUH
stoic spruce
I mean hey it's got APM and pirate moves
tepid willow
truth
jolly bear
lol just lost a 2s match vs prot warrior resto druid
minor cape
lol just lost a 2s match vs prot warrior resto druid
what class you playing with?
2 dps?
just kill druid if you rm
queen geyser
minor cape
i cant hear yooooou
nova viper
i cant hear yooooou
AYE AYE CAPTAIN
OOOOOOOOH
WHO LIVES IN A PINEAPPLE UNDER THE SEA?
minor cape
motherfucker i wrote this in discord, then immediately went to youtube
first recommendation is corey taylor singing spongebob theme
torn stump
the same thing bothers me, could you feedback to Realz?
potent pivot
more choices more reasonable
not having that many connections is done on purpose
can't let you get everything you want without some sacrifice/compromise
languid ravine
at that point, just remove all arrows and pick whatever you like
potent pivot
^
potent pivot
we all agree the poisons need to change, but they will never go for adding that many connectors
torn stump
we all agree the poisons need to change, but they will never go for adding that ...
actually just adding 2 connectors, and move 2talent down.
maybe Realz become generous, then he agree~~~
potent pivot
idk i highly doubt we see any more connections
am hoping poisons are moved around tho
torn stump
idk i highly doubt we see any more connections
difficult to achieve, but wish.
I post to other channel, take a look opinion
languid ravine
btw I ve read somewhere that Blackjack does not apply to Blind, despite the tooltip
Is this still true?
stoic spruce
Ye
tepid willow
wait... how long has that been working like that
minor cape
i didnt eben know its supposed to work on blind
but this is pretty cracked if they make it to
every healer will cry
quaint cedar
iirc it did work briefly at the beginning of DF, then broke at some point and was never fixed
queen geyser
btw I ve read somewhere that Blackjack does not apply to Blind, despite the tool...
Fixed on PTR, but not on live
quaint cedar
baldur's gate 3 is really fun
queen geyser
Is pretty gud
halcyon timber
but this is pretty cracked if they make it to
It was supposed to and did on DF prepatch for a week. Then it didn’t until now this week of ptr.
halcyon timber
difficult to achieve, but wish.
Your enthusiasm is great Lucky but that’s not going to happen. You cannot get everything you want on purpose and that is good design.
The whole point is to make difficult choices in upgrading things you care about. Its like that in any game where the devs care.
halcyon timber
what do u think
The talent update is good. It is far better than live.
torn stump
Your enthusiasm is great Lucky but that’s not going to happen. You cannot get ev...
good difficult choices is both good thing to choice, bad difficult choices is compel player to choice bad thing.
halcyon timber
good difficult choices is both good thing to choice, bad difficult choices is co...
“Bad” is subjective regarding the new trees. Getting too much stuff for minimal trade offs isn’t balanced at all. Plenty of choices and far less restriction for a few bonuses. The deeper parts of the tree must remain separated to avoid us getting more than what others pick up in their class trees as well.
halcyon timber
with the kyrian one dance dark brew build, do i kyrian before dance
Usually sync up cds in dance regardless of what they are but it depends what is going on. Reprimand was also buffed on ptr as well.
queen geyser
why is the game dead
-Season 2 always dead compared to season 1
-Late in the season
-Solo Shuffle sucked the life out of LFG (deserved, probably)
-Other games came out
-"Holy shit 10.2 looks so much cooler than this crap"
-Hardcore Classic
peak agate
why is the game dead
Honestly between solo shuffle and them taking pve ilvl from pvp. It created more problems for participation. They aren't enough rank rewards for people to stay on the treadmill.
queen geyser
I'm of the opinion that they need to sprinkle more rewards throughout the ranks to keep people playing, especially on the lower rungs
Better yet, unique rewards for each bracket
Doesn't have to be anything massive (Glad mount stays THE Glad mount)
But just
Something
Besides elite set pieces
But more importantly, they need to standardize mmr season-to-season
No overblown seasons where everyone is a Glad/legend, and then next season where they can't break 1800
peak agate
I think a mount is a reward that people can live without. They are so many mounts in game. I tend to use the same 4-5. Unless you're also world pvping you really don't get to use your glad mount either other than sitting in main city hub.
queen geyser
You would think so, but I know collectors shit their pants about fomo
The obvious and only answer to those people is "git gud"
peak agate
Mounts were a more interesting idea when they were less of them. They add so many each expansion and it's all subjective on what looks "cool" to the casual/hardcore
queen geyser
*nod
peak agate
When I pvp the most it was when pvp shoulders were locked behind rating. 😂
2v2 still had titles back then too
Unique rewards is good. Pvp exclusive transmog would also be good not just tier set recolors
Bracket exclusive pvp titles. Spec specific top of bracket titles, time exclusive customizations
queen geyser
Bracket exclusive pvp titles. Spec specific top of bracket titles, time exclusiv...
"Spec specific" man, I would've liked one of those when I was ~28th US for Outlaw in 2s
Before the buffs
torn stump
this game dead one of reason is too hardcore too complex.
queen geyser
It is what it is tho
peak agate
Man It wouldn't be hard to have "dreadsea captain" as a outlaw title
queen geyser
And you could give them some neat flavor too
Like Outlaw could be "Obsidian Brigand"
Arms could be "Obsidian Man-At-Arms"
Fire Mage could be "Obsidian Pyromancer"
That'd be sick
languid ravine
Im currently top 100 Assa in shuffle and also three hundred rating away from this seasons tabard talk about rewards
peak agate
Shit, my casual ass would take some taunts as a rating reward
I would love a "slit throat" emote
queen geyser
Shit, my casual ass would take some taunts as a rating reward
Class customization, emotes
Like being able to change your pistol as Outlaw
Turning all your shadow stuff into arcane as Sub for mage-thief vibes
I know RPers would kill for it
languid ravine
(glyphs)
queen geyser
Glyphs are cool but outdated
Just expand the barbershop nonsense Druids and Warlocks have to every other class
languid ravine
come on man thats literally what you just described :^D
languid ravine
if it worked for talents you can instantly update them
and then you can sprinkle them
very carefully
because that gets messy super quick
queen geyser
sage nod
peak agate
It's about increasing pvp participation. Right now, other than a mount most people won't get and a tier set recolor theres isn't much of incentive for casuals to play.
Gear is trash outside of pvp. The easiest bracket to get into (2v2) hasn't been taken seriously in years. LFG is terrible and most people aren't trying to wait for solo shuffle qs
And bgs haven't been updated in sometime.
queen geyser
At least BGB seems promising
Even if it means RBGs die for it
(Although, as an RBG enjoyer myself, they were on life support for a while)
peak agate
They are segmentating the brackets too much. They aren't really addressing the problem.
queen geyser
Right.
surreal barn
At least BGB seems promising
Don’t think it’s even rated so you won’t see rewards iirc
queen geyser
For what it's worth, I don't believe BGB will be the killing blow to arena
queen geyser
Don’t think it’s even rated so you won’t see rewards iirc
Right, it's starting as a brawl like SS did
surreal barn
Yup. It wouldn’t be out of the question to push these things out faster though participation is kinda stinky rn
peak agate
I don't mind these modes because I enjoy all aspects of pvp. My problem with blizzard is they are not focusing enough on pvp. These are all bandaid fixes.
This game ultimately relies on being a hamster wheel. There's nothing unique about pvp to draw more people in and keep them on. Unless you're just really into the gameplay.
quaint cedar
yeah everyone shit on rating locked gear in SL but honestly that's what got me to try arena for the first time
and at first I was just doing it for the gear, but after a while I started to really like it
and now arenas are pretty much what I play the game for
of course, it doesn't have to be rating locked gear
there just needs to be something that motivates people to try to push arenas
peak agate
yeah everyone shit on rating locked gear in SL but honestly that's what got me t...
So many people were playing for their mythic ilvl progressions lol. It was a blast playing with different people. Granted eventually people bought boost but that's a separate problem on its own. At the end it brought more people in
Once they nerf the pvp ilvls participation dropped heavily. I thought it would have been a better idea to nerf the ilvl in raids only
quaint cedar
yeah
idk it's kind of a shame that everyone wanted the gear gone
it really did bring so many people into arena
we need some other kind of rewards at different ratings
not just for glad
halcyon timber
They did away with the item levels and returned to wod style system in df .which is much better.
spring bough
am i crazy or did the font on this discord change
peak agate
They did away with the item levels and returned to wod style system in df .which...
It's only better because it's fairer. It's not better for participation purposes.
halcyon timber
It's only better because it's fairer. It's not better for participation purposes...
Agreed but we are a mini game and its not fairrrre to pvers
According to them
peak agate
M+ is a mini game too. It's something that didn't exist when I originally took my long ass hiatus
queen geyser
It's not fair to PvPers either
If you're going to have a competitive mode, you need to have a competitive playing field
Rating locked ilvls were anything but
I do think they could've filled the void with something like... I dunno
Pets and cosmetics and stuff
Titles
Anything
peak agate
M+ is a mini game too. It's something that didn't exist when I originally took m...
But this ended up more popular because you always got something out of it. 😮
peak agate
I do think they could've filled the void with something like... I dunno
It needs a carrot on the end of a stick. Something to attract more people to play the mode. Whether that's more cosmetics, toys, or something else. You can't really get usable gear from it. Especially with the stat distribution and ilvls.
halcyon timber
Yeah I don’t like that we are called a side game/ mini game
Really hate that
I just want to smoke people and burn their house down. Idc about anything else
jolly sierra
just make season titles besides glad ones and u will see how ppl will swarm like locusts
some shit like "verdant duelist X" or shit like that
would put it in regular arena instead solo shuffle
stoic spruce
Arms could be "Obsidian Man-At-Arms"
Person-at-arms. Remember, they changed Every Man to Himself.
peak agate
Seasonal titles based on rank mode. If they find 2v2 unbalanced. Play into that. Have a title call "Unbalanced Challenger" or make it silly "we couldn't find a third" 😂
acoustic junco
it should have been
default dragon skin at 1600, 1800 elite armor, 2100 enchant , 2400 armor skin
jolly sierra
"Verdant Challenger Mesmash"
queen geyser
Person-at-arms. Remember, they changed Every Man to Himself.
Bodytype(1/2)-at-arms
peak agate
Warrior pvp titles
",Master of (or just arms) martial weapons"
"Berserker King"
"Why did you play as prot in arenas,"
Rogue pvp titles
", the Assassin"
", the Shadow"
",Capt Ambush spam"
queen geyser
I'm sueing
halcyon timber
Ambush is a great ability
One of my favorite tools for murder, especially back in the day when it did an ungodly hit and made people’s ancestors weep
peak agate
One of my favorite tools for murder, especially back in the day when it did an u...
Too bad, you will use shadow strike and you will like it mister!
halcyon timber
Too bad, you will use shadow strike and you will like it mister!
Yep i use custom icons anyway heh. Always have
I do love how realz made ambush good for all of us now though. That was creative.
peak agate
It's definitely worth using on ptr. Right now on live it hits for 18k with out buffs
halcyon timber
Yeah its crap
Doubt we will get much more shifts in stuff and honestly im happy with how it is on ptr
The 2 
talents shouldn’t be something crazy anyway
How did the recent tuning changes feel to you assassin boys? @peak agate
peak agate
How did the recent tuning changes feel to you assassin boys? <@45883661020993945...
Tbh, not sure what you're referring to. I know they moved some talents around. Generally, didn't change too much. It was easier to get 200k+ Kingsbane ticks.
halcyon timber
Oh was a few bump ups and tier changes I believe on last build (small cumulative changes i think)
Energy regen etc
Kb is filthy yes sir
peak agate
Kb is filthy yes sir
If kb is our only source of burst I'm fine with it. Damage seems consistent and not overly oppressive
peak agate
Meanwhile on the war I was hitting things for 100k non crits. They might end up being more of a problem
karmic summit
Does any1 know if the legend title stays forever or goes away after season?
halcyon timber
Meanwhile on the war I was hitting things for 100k non crits. They might end up ...
They need buffs bro, need 450k noncrits
XD
peak agate
It's funny that in a fantasy game like wow a warrior is one of the most consistently strongest classes
queen geyser
It's funny that in a fantasy game like wow a warrior is one of the most consiste...
Race: Human (White, body type 1)
Class: Knight
Weapon: Longsword
halcyon timber
Class is called bladestorm now
queen geyser
Fury Bladestorm when?
halcyon timber
Never hopefully
I don’t think we will be tuned too much due to other classes propaganda
peak agate
Fury Bladestorm when?
A few expansions ago 😭
peak agate
I don’t think we will be tuned too much due to other classes propaganda
Damage doesn't need to be big. It does needs to come fast and consistent
Big hits are nice but like you said don't think it's going to happen
halcyon timber
“We saw rogues being effective so this coming reset -20% agility and 3% increase to mutilate “ “also buffing warlock by 10%”
Stuff like that is what we see
peak agate
I think it was really bad in bfa
halcyon timber
Yep
Along w monks taking off their gear and destroying people
Due to scaling nonsense
peak agate
Oh yeah. Scaling where gear truly meant nothing
I never did figure out how that shit work. I just know I would level a new character and get to 1600 without much of a problem
halcyon timber
Yeah you ran around in socks and did more damage because of nonsense
Just get conquest gear like now jimminy cricket. Df gearing has been great.
peak agate
Better than spamming m+ for gear. For sure.
torn stump
“Bad” is subjective regarding the new trees. Getting too much stuff for minimal ...
And you can look at priest telant tree, it is similar to my thoughts.
easy to get player want
make both good let player to choice
Realz lacks in this aspect
for example
it can make 2sec heal 1.5%hp, not swap them.
In my community, we all know designer(Realz) have this problem.
halcyon timber
Cool man
halcyon timber
Its to avoid getting everything you want. Difficult choices have to be made man. Can’t stack the heck out of talents.
torn stump
Priest Tree, more comfortable
torn stump
Its to avoid getting everything you want. Difficult choices have to be made man....
I think you dont understand what I mean.
It need to make it difficult choices, but not this way.
compel to take weak talent and choices from good talents is different.
halcyon timber
Cool man , good day
torn stump
In our community, all know this
they said Realz is a good player, and his design has room for improvement.
for example like [Heavy Hitter]
it can make it +10% → +8%, then put it on a easier place to get it.
halcyon timber
Then you're weakining stuff just to weaken it to get what you want
you want what you want and throwing a fit about it and that's it
Not everything can be or should be a greatest hit. We are getting small bonuses along the way.
No different than 15 years ago
torn stump
Just an example, have different way.
halcyon timber
Your objections are safe with our indifference sir.
torn stump
I'm just pointing out the problem.
peak agate
Guys it's about the friendship we made along way.
queen geyser
The blind talent isn't even bad, it's just blind is in a bad spot right now