You say you want that but…
#pvp
halcyon timber
halcyon timber
Dismantle at the end of his aimed shot
Then tony hawk a dagger like a tech deck off his forehead
waxen meteor
Now a lot of free second marksman can do heavy dmg with a rogue behind
halcyon timber
Hunter spread propaganda, never liked them and never will
peak agate
Man I fucked rogues up baiting them with aim shot to just melt them with rapid fire
Don't have evasion. Well yorue fucked buddy
halcyon timber
Hunters are a lot like rets, they just only think the game is “good” when they are blowing people up
waxen meteor
Hunters are a lot like rets, they just only think the game is “good” when they a...
Man it does feel good
halcyon timber
XD
waxen meteor
It’s my new fav these weeks
peak agate
Shadow step in to my ice trap buddy.
waxen meteor
100-0 people feels really good
peak agate
And since I main rogue I catch a lot of them
halcyon timber
Flare should give me a shield buff that says first watch and my dog auto stuns youuu
Makes sense blizzzyyy
peak agate
Flare should give me a shield buff that says first watch and my dog auto stuns y...
No an eagle should come from above and lift you into the sky and drop you for fall damage.
halcyon timber
XD
peak agate
Just a big ass eagle to save the day.
halcyon timber
CaMO shuD bE a 12 secunfd cdeee
peak agate
CaMO shuD bE a 12 secunfd cdeee
You're being too harsh, should be 2 seconds
And it keeps the healing
waxen meteor
I remember hunter does have a talent
That allows us to do range ss/evis
Even for people behind pillar
loud sable
waxen meteor
Don’t recall
halcyon timber
I don’t remember
peak agate
Envenom would hit for 200k... 😦
waxen meteor
Send pets out and sit 2000 miles away and win
halcyon timber
Good lord
peak agate
spring bough
no ty
loud sable
i know %400 is op rn but %20 could be nice.
halcyon timber
Its not aiming then
waxen meteor
Just moving aim
halcyon timber
Moving shot!
halcyon timber
Kek
peak agate
If hunters can cast aim shot while moving I want to be able to hit them from stealth without breaking stealth.
From 80 yards out
peak agate
I don't remember
halcyon timber
and it instantly got nerfed, shit was crazy
original shadow dance also vanished you 3x
I remember that shit too
was pretty clunky though and that's part of why they changed it
loud sable
shadow dance grants immunity to root could be amazing 😄
halcyon timber
nah man
let's limit the fotm rollers flooding our gates as it is
and that's what making the difficult decision of "is cloak worth it atm" because that's literally what it is
especially with veil atm
spring bough
bout to go and try and cop this all white LFR set since i got the shoulder smoke for all the mogs now. wish that was the elite set lol
halcyon timber
having to make decisions on a whim Risk vs reward should be the aim of things which is what our kit really is most of the time
people jsut whine about rogue when the rogue prob vanished and some dummy didn't tab target a dog to get in combat and got sapped
meanwhile rogue is flying around doing cc and the other classes actually play the game zugging
peak agate
time to check out these nerfs
Man, Kings Bane slaps
Initial hit already does more than Envenom
halcyon timber
yeah my stuff still feels good but not ridiculous
halcyon timber
I believe they have hit a point ( further tuning of course is more than likely to happen)
- we feel impactful in our core kit based on how you decide to talent which emphasizes on various things instead of "only 1 way" prior to this.
- Extra abilities feel good by themselves but don't hijack the kit and instead are more of an accenting piece to what you like doing.
- Highly flexible in what you do and it shows how much love Realz and his team really put into this. The class tree has a lot of great choices as well which help in what you're trying to tie in.
jolly sierra
from the momentum u didn't gouged
peak agate
yeah I think DTB is still useful if you manage to stick on your target
halcyon timber
i rlly hate hunters rapid fire
yeah i'm not sure what they want "reworked" as they keep stating. Their kit seems to do well. They want people to think and to chain things together instead of doing opressive big ol hits like the old days and that is a mature way of going about things.
peak agate
,Aimshot, Arcane shot, Killshot, Rapid fire and steady shot. A lot of their damage is loaded in Aimshot
they also get cd reduction for rapid fire
halcyon timber
so how would they go about altering that
peak agate
Arcane shot is often free
halcyon timber
while not "breaking things"
halcyon timber
They always will, you can't "make it do damage" because then they take that from somewhere for balance. They make it "passive and free" then it has to be reduced to like 20% or something goofy and then energy problems arise even more and they aren't going ot make abilities slam hard for no reason. It's incredibly easy to maintain for all 3 of us and not a big deal.
peak agate
didnt realize he put ironwire and intent to kill in one node lol
halcyon timber
oh dang that's a tough choice no?
intent is a shorter step right? I'm not familiar with you guys' stuff
and Iron wire is garrote reduces damage by like 15% or something?
peak agate
intent is a shorter step right? I'm not familiar with you guys' stuff
correct
peak agate
did you boop me?
peak agate
teehee
potent pivot
a lot of people are complaining about SnD
yep
finally being rid of EP has even more people rising up against SnD
🤓
i agree that having to press SnD feels ass, but tbh i feel the rotations wouldn't be as nice if it were removed
vocal surge
Imagine if Smoke Bomb became an Outlaw only ability
that lets us remain in stealth as long as we're in the radius or until the ability runs out of time
while using stealth only abilities
potent pivot
it also promotes high melee uptime, which can be considered a part of skilled play
vocal surge
True
potent pivot
i think rather than removing it, they should add another buff to it
like "while SnD is active, you can do X" or "X does more dmg"
make it feel good to press
potent pivot
ye
i mean it's kinda ass as a talent tbh
it's just a constant "you do more dmg"
just isn't very interesting
vocal surge
What is EP?
halcyon timber
question about mm like we were talking about a bit ago.
So why is loading damage into aim'ed shot not so nice to them? seems a bunch of abilities do damage even arcane shot can hit people for like 80k in bgs.
or what are they suggesting rather than hijacking our threads?
halcyon timber
yeah panda said it didn't feel too great
peak agate
and its magic damage
peak agate
I don't think mm is bad
halcyon timber
well I mean arcane shot?
peak agate
if you're pveing I can see why people would hate mm
halcyon timber
like what's "off" about the kit other than reeeeeing. It's like trying to understand a kid that is screaming but they don't know because they need to take a nap.
devs can't help them if they "it just feels bad" like a 12 year old girl w her ipods in .
peak agate
if you're pveing I can see why people would hate mm
because you want to be using your main ablities but end up running out of focus quickly so you have to use steady shot
not sure how haste scales with hunter focus
because i stack mastery on mine
halcyon timber
what's that do for them?
halcyon timber
right on that sounds cool at least
peak agate
right on that sounds cool at least
it fits well with the theme lol
halcyon timber
jolly sierra
ep is def gone gone
yeah
realz was targeting it already
cmon give dfa as capstone
peak agate
which brings the question would you change the specs mastery to something else?
halcyon timber
which brings the question would you change the specs mastery to something else?
No sir, I have zero weight in anything but subtlety and that is where I should remain.
peak agate
cmon give dfa as capstone
DFA is a werid capstone without it getting buffed.
peak agate
No sir, I have zero weight in anything but subtlety and that is where I should r...
thats what im asking would you changes sub mastery
halcyon timber
oh not at all
bread and butter is appropriate
I just prefer more options for generator damage over "only" finishers and I think realz made a very good compromise while also combining the the past and a very cool duality about us.
to me, the sum of the parts together in unison is more important than a single piece. I think there is a fine line on dance and this iteration is solid. You get it back but it's not lightning fast and downtime also doesn't feel like garbage anymore. There are a lot of different ways to build, and I appreciate that, i've been doing nothing but testing and I've only logged on live to do normal daily tasks and make potions.
peak agate
I mean you guys have the most finishers so it makes sense
halcyon timber
Agreed however, putting everything into 1 basket isn't good in any case
roughly things are 65% ish atm and finishers do their job more than well enough and it is consistent over the years for sure.
jolly sierra
DFA is a werid capstone without it getting buffed.
then buff it lol
halcyon timber
But where would DFA realistically go?
IF they were to ever do that , we all want it but the boys upstairs don't and I don't think the devs want to because of all the "falling through floors because i'm irresponsible but it's stil not my fautl fix ur gaim blizzy" argument.
Core abilities such as shiv and all the other jazz you guys listed the other day serve as the buff to DFA (if chosen) as DFA provides 15% on top of all of that for --> X amount
stoic spruce
Do we really need it as a general talent though? Are roots that big an issue?
halcyon timber
I don't think so
potent pivot
don't think they're ever going to change it from being a pvp talent lol
halcyon timber
roots and stuff are annoying yeah but we do more than well enough w the mobility package they gave us on ptr
yeah they won't
stoic spruce
I'd rather old maneuverability if we're talking pvp talents to pve.
halcyon timber
Dunno, being slowed again after 4 sec ain't it for me but a choice node yeah i'd agree for those that wanted it
I dig the 1 min sprint availability + the new sprint talent + unbreakable stride is kind anice too
stoic spruce
Well you don't use it for damage and the root break would be baked into a button we already have.
halcyon timber
agreed , it's situational as needed
there are times to engage and times to boogy on out
stoic spruce
Lmao I like that
halcyon timber
That is how we have always operated
stoic spruce
Yeah fo sho
stoic spruce
Idk why blizzards meaning of balancing things is "reduce the CD by X but duration also reduced by X"
halcyon timber
it was brought up a bit ago I remember it was something like.
- it pretty much gave you the same amount of mobility roughly but you could use the cd 2x in 1 min (30s cd assuming you took both talents) but ended up not working as well as they thought.
stoic spruce
I was talking moreso the sprint pvp talent
halcyon timber
yep that is what I was referring to as well
stoic spruce
it was brought up a bit ago I remember it was something like.
- it pretty much g...
Okay so this doesn't explain anything lol
halcyon timber
It does, they changed it to meet that intent
they did it just because , we may not like it but they did
stoic spruce
We didn't need more mobility. And if it's the same, why change it?
halcyon timber
/shrug I just rogue here man
halcyon timber
prob because someone kept bugging them for burst of speed
there are times to lay low in wait and there are times for aggression, knowing the difference is important
stoic spruce
I don't know what this has to do with the root removal
stoic spruce
PvP is not one of those things
halcyon timber
people reee'ing like the hunters versus an organized and concise presentation of X Y Z are likely to yield different results
I understand you though and I hear you.
stoic spruce
You 1000% work some corporate job lol
stoic spruce
people reee'ing like the hunters versus an organized and concise presentation of...
PvErs aren't on our side unfort
halcyon timber
yep, always an uphill battle
I don't work in corporate I just think a lot and I try to see many sides of things
peak agate
i think each spec has different problems but I guess thats fair
halcyon timber
yeah they aren't a fan of cross pollenation
stoic spruce
What kinda blows is now that KS isn't situational anymore, we'll have to take DFA more often.
halcyon timber
I'm just happy to see that you guys aren't using it as a defensive now
interesting change on the defensive part of it though
100% of the damage taken over it's duration or something?
stoic spruce
Those it's probably not that big a deal because I got some mega rolls and I get it back in like 10 seconds
halcyon timber
it's like uhhh the dracthyr ability that those sobe lizards have
stoic spruce
100% of the damage taken over it's duration or something?
I think so. If you use dreadblades and KS, you die afterwards and not immediately.
stoic spruce
Yeah I wonder if they'll fix that
stoic spruce
Yeah
halcyon timber
yeah do away w the penalty
all day
that's just deathwish nonsense for warriors w/o the damage amp
stoic spruce
It's so funny because you'll use them together and it's like "oh big dam" and then the next second your health bar just gets deleted lmaooo
stoic spruce
Cloak
halcyon timber
well I mean can you do well without using both together?
stoic spruce
Oh, yes
halcyon timber
wait the damage penalty is magic too?
stoic spruce
Shadow
halcyon timber
ah mk
can you feint and then do it and is that a noticeable difference?
or is it like bing bing bing done
stoic spruce
You use Ghostly Strike in tandem with KS and use Shadow Dance and DB to get it back
halcyon timber
ah mk
stoic spruce
can you feint and then do it and is that a noticeable difference?
I haven't tried honestly
Was having too much fun killing myself
halcyon timber
or can you pre-vial it and then try to negate a lot of it?
stoic spruce
Yeah that could work
I should try tonight
BtE being on the rogue and not the target is so huge
stoic spruce
I dreamt about it tbh lol
halcyon timber
same w mfd
wel lthe buff goes on you but the debuff remains on the target obviously.
stoic spruce
Right
halcyon timber
nerf to db you mean?
stoic spruce
No to MFD
halcyon timber
oh 40s
stoic spruce
Not on CDR
halcyon timber
instead of 30
oh cdr
yeah I dig, understandable
can't have permenant 15% and ghostly for another 15% + other stuff
prey also got nerfed for you gusy too today
stoic spruce
Which I guess it's fair because there's a plethora of combo points anyway
halcyon timber
yeah I like aggression
stoic spruce
Bro if you told me 4 years ago Outlaw would open with BtE, I'd spit on you.
stoic spruce
Adrenaline rush can be used in stealth now and outlaw doesn't have find weakness anymore
halcyon timber
like I read everyone's shit and can identify stuff but I don't do anything else ever
halcyon timber
what did ambush grant some kinda AR for a brief moment?
how does crackshot work? I've been seeing you guys really rattle off on that and say it's cool af
jolly sierra
cmon realz post the next tree
stoic spruce
what did ambush grant some kinda AR for a brief moment?
It granted find weakness which was cool but tbh I think if we kept it, new outlaw would be muddy.
stoic spruce
how does crackshot work? I've been seeing you guys really rattle off on that and...
BtE has no cooldown when used in stealth
halcyon timber
oh i was confused on what you meant above in like sequence of events
i'm familiar with FW lol , i've had it for many years
stoic spruce
Right but in relation to new outlaw
pliant hazel
can you craft the pvp boots at 447 or do u need the conquest thing to put it higher?
halcyon timber
BTE is a finisher no?
halcyon timber
so you have to store up to get that fat new crackshot dispatch right? or how do you set that up?
stoic spruce
In opener?
halcyon timber
can you craft the pvp boots at 447 or do u need the conquest thing to put it hig...
you can craft it however you like but you must have the TROPHY equipped on it to make it 450
stoic spruce
Or in general?
halcyon timber
yeah like how do you guys set up the fat dispatch
pliant hazel
you can craft it however you like but you must have the TROPHY equipped on it to...
i can't craft it to 447 like a normal piece tho ?
halcyon timber
or is that more of a restealth / vanish deal
stoic spruce
I think you mean BtE
halcyon timber
i can't craft it to 447 like a normal piece tho ?
I'm not 100% what you mean but you can craft the 420 whatevers 424 or something? and then slap the trophy in it when placed as a work order to get it to scale to 450 in pvp
stoic spruce
But yeah you just make sure to not use your BtE right before shadow dance and you're off to the races
halcyon timber
@stoic spruce yes sir that's what I meant sorry. kinda scatter brained atm.
oh sick so you get the effects from dance to activate that
that's filthy af
stoic spruce
Yeah lol
halcyon timber
damn realz made some cool stuff for you boys
stoic spruce
And it stacks with subterfuge and Sepsis (cringe)
stoic spruce
damn realz made some cool stuff for you boys
Hey you got some cool stuff too
I really like this new sub
halcyon timber
wait why is sepsis important in that?
yeah we did, I love this as it's very close to old subtlety in a lot of ways and wrapped up nicely for modernization
stoic spruce
It's not important. It just stacks.
halcyon timber
ahh mk
stoic spruce
You give up a good talent for it. Idr what it was.
halcyon timber
how does sepsis interract with you guys now?
like is there cool combos and stuff?
stoic spruce
Not worth
halcyon timber
ah sheet
stoic spruce
Well for now, it just adds a longer duration to the "stealth" but not by much though.
halcyon timber
To the new subterfuge interaction?
stoic spruce
Yeah
halcyon timber
That’s vile , i dig it
stoic spruce
Yeah that Underhanded Uppercut
When I read the name of this talent, I thought it would be a sick active ability lol
It's not an active bit it's still sweet.
halcyon timber
Yeah like the uhh adaptability? I guess is what im using here if that makes sense
Allows for interesting decision making
stoic spruce
Can you elaborate?
halcyon timber
Like depending on what’s going on you can make different uses of it as an example from how you painted a picture
So instead of “locking x in” you can make adjustments based on what you feel is most necessary in the heat of action with those few things
stoic spruce
Ohhh yeah
halcyon timber
So instead of “buff dispatch by 5%” he made some sick ass talents
Dude is creative for sure
stoic spruce
Some of the things him and his crew did are questionable but over I'm a fan of his work so far.
Except for what he did with DK but that was something else
We ignore that
In sl
halcyon timber
I wouldn’t know
stoic spruce
How about we just ignore all of SL
halcyon timber
Sl dunno her
stoic spruce
Rating that doesn't go down
halcyon timber
Mannnn they would have explosive diarrhea if it did
stoic spruce
Speaking of explosive diarrhea
halcyon timber
Kinda like in madraxxus coloseum dungeon when the rogue stuns you . Had a moonkin freak out THIS ISNT PVP BLIZZARD
dude flipped tf out
peak agate
rogues arent that bad, they are for the most part really squishy. Outlaw is tanky but doesnt do big damage. Sub cheap shot spam is annoying as fuck tho
Assassination is made out of paper
not sure why other classes complain so much
yes kidney shot is a short cd but so is stormbolt and that shit is range
pliant hazel
it's because in every game where rogue exists there's people that play rogue, and people that hate rogue
no in between
they all get kidney'd once in goldshire and never forget
pliant hazel
dark and darker is the same thing, everyone fkn REEEE's over rogues but you literally get 2 shot in bis gear by like anyone so..
halcyon timber
Yeah a friend was telling me the nerfed tf out if rogues there
But other crap can just bust you up just fine
pliant hazel
not recently they just got a little bit of a walkback but not the skills they needed
halcyon timber
Of*
Ahhh mk
I do hope assassins get a little something soon though
Unless the changes today were solid to elusiveness
20% is pretty dang good
peak agate
based on the stupid dam on ptr, if things stay the same i'll be fine with being a glass cannon
im just glass now
halcyon timber
Jeeze man
What’s the hang up do you think?
What feels like the roughest match up as assassination on ptr?
Hear me out, what if thieves bargain was for assassination in spec tree but only affected the major defensives + vial?
Ie : cloak + vanish + evasion etc
halcyon timber
I mean feral is similar but has its kit + lots of survivability too
Some are hard to kill but a lot panic and get rinsed
halcyon timber
Yeh boy
peak agate
Frost Dk is a spec that I can understand mains complaining about and Devastation Evokers.
halcyon timber
How so? (Genuinely interested as I don’t know how they operate per say other than fighting them)
peak agate
you're kind of stuck spamming the same ablity because you dont have much choice. Your burst is in a 2 min window where you might literally one shot someone. Lastly, you're hella squishy.
halcyon timber
Ah dang, I understand they have rotating things like essence burst right?
Or i think after reading their tree
peak agate
FDK are just slow, no real way to slow down healing. You are succeptable to melee damage for reasons i cannot explain.
halcyon timber
Which is odd because plate is what? 30something% dr ?
peak agate
Or i think after reading their tree
The changes made it better but they are still in rough spot. They are people who make it work but those are usually these players that are mutiglad.
halcyon timber
Plus increased stamina and other stuff? Ibf for like 20 or something
Oh ok so big ceiling?
peak agate
Plus increased stamina and other stuff? Ibf for like 20 or something
yeah all that helps. But these are characters I play on the side, but I read these same concerns when I try to learn a new spec and do some research.
halcyon timber
Right on, i read up and try to get intel and figure out how i want to deal with them . I sift through their talents and stuff etc
Do you think if they could tap more into blood’s stuff that would stabilize them or be too crazy?
I remember they were ridiculous in wrath xD many many moons ago
Evoker is a high ceiling too from what it seems like
peak agate
I don't know if DK mains want leech-like abilities of blood in their tool kit. From my very limited and apparently 1700 MMR frost dk experience. I think FDKs are pretty good into wizards. Not as good as Unholy but not bad. The double Melee dps give me problems and even with my 30% wall I start to melt. Maybe bring back DK stances so you can switch into a more defensive presence,
peak agate
Evoker is a high ceiling too from what it seems like
I definitely can't make it work. I do find the spec fun anways.
halcyon timber
Yeah the really good ones are tough to kill
Flap around like crazy and pool resources well to heal / do damage depending on what’s shaking atm
Does look like a really cool class though
peak agate
They new spec (Augmentation) is way better and easier to survive in.
halcyon timber
Yeah those mfs can hit hard too
peak agate
im looking at the top rated outlaw rogue (because im just bored out of mind) and its European character with 511W - 486L in solo shuffle
but 128W - 72L in 3v3. That's... amazing
stoic spruce
I don't know if DK mains want leech-like abilities of blood in their tool kit. F...
we do
scratching at the walls for anything
really just want DS unnerfed
as well as ams
then we're golden
stoic spruce
nerfed and effected by dampening
peak agate
we do
Well there we go. I have no idea what you guys want. Thanks for the insight though. It's interesting reading what other mains are looking for.,
languid ravine
One minute 50 seconds into the video;
Fish you rogues, free stealth detection crystal at homebase
cursive umbra
solo rbg is going to be amazing
yeah another 1hour ques for content will be amazing
and i'd assume that just as soloq arenas has killed normal 2s and 3s that soloq RBG will kill whats left of the RBG community as well
potent pivot
i think it'll likely raise the number of active rgb players
yeah it'll dwindle whats left of the normal rgb's, but it'll be more accessible for the majority
cursive umbra
#doubt, but just guessing from what happened with normal arena
potent pivot
i mean even solo q raised the number of active players in pvp in general
cursive umbra
you have that data? cuz it has killed all of my community 🙂
potent pivot
you'd be surprised how daunting it is for casuals to q even for rgb's when they have to go through the selection process, with all the metas and toxicity
cursive umbra
same as normal arena then
potent pivot
solo q is kinda just the future of the game
yeah q times suck - but that's not solo q's fault in and of itself
that's another issue entirely really
cursive umbra
i wouldnt say they are not connected but yes there are other issues
potent pivot
i mean ofc
but if you look at basically all other pvp games, they run solo q's quite successfully
blizz just needs to figure out how to make that happen 
exotic dove
I used to have mixed feelings about solo shuffle but then I end up qing it a crap ton that I don't want to admit how much here lol. I also think it was a success for Blizzard after they said it so I have no doubt Rated RBG solo queue will be as well. Although reg RBGs might die cause of it since unlike 3s and 2s it doesnt have the pop to survive like 3s or 2s did imo
Hopefully the healer to dps ratio gets more even so dps queues aren't long in the future
vocal surge
Finally got my 1st tier piece
bruh
these games
making me question how these people
1800
Arms Warrior
walks up to my priest in a stun
kicks him
feeds precog
druid doesn't cycloen
and cant keep up with my dps
and they walking around
with their heads cut off
Im only getting stat checked
By good players
bitter iron
!sheet
lethal roostBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
uneven grove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L19hQ1kH0s
ohh no tanks, interesting
just 6 dps and 2 healers
twin burrow
If anyone here streams and wants to DM me a few pointers hit me up. I'm ugly and not funny so just know what you're working with
tame rivet
what are you guys going for/looking forward to in 10.2 in terms of spec?
context: i quit sin back in mid season 1 and thinking to try it again and dunno what to prepare for - sin or outlaw (i don't click with sub)
proven kayak
Am I the only one who hates outlaw ?
tame rivet
i dont vibe with that either but a mate said the spec is hella fun but just doesnt do any dmg currently 😅
quaint cedar
After the damage buffs outlaw does good damage on live
If you screw up the rotation or get really bad RNG then you will do 0 damage
Outlaw is really fun once you get the hang of it
cursive umbra
Outlaw is another weird addition by blizzard. Same as SV hunter. Just fcking roll a normal melee then. Doesnt feel like rogue
quaint cedar
Honestly outlaw plays more like a rogue than sin does
You have dance and generally need to win with good setups
It just doesn't have burst like sub does
tame rivet
I see, and is sin worth trying this season? I feel inclined to but everyone says it just sucks
quaint cedar
I don't play sin so maybe someone else can chime in but my understanding is that it's viable but it's the weakest rogue spec currently
quaint cedar
^ Exactly
People who say outlaw isn't a real rogue are stuck in 2016
We've had the full rogue toolkit for a while now
zealous sand
hmm conquest is usually converted into honor for a new season rite?
halcyon timber
Conquest is converted into silver or something like that each season i believe
zealous sand
ah, i remember it being silver, but I can swear some season i got honor for all
halcyon timber
Just keep stabbing when in doubt - rogue in game tips
toxic yarrow
when is season 3 starting?
halcyon timber
Prob a week into the patch or so.
If ptr is anything to go by pacing wise mid Oct - early Nov any time between then
Would be a guess as ptr is usually 6-8 weeks long /shrug
peak agate
I see, and is sin worth trying this season? I feel inclined to but everyone says...
It's alright, but your main CD is basically removed by a bunch of abilities and some racials. You basically use it as bait. Which is funny because DM is nerfed in pvp along with some of the garrote stat modifers.
Envenom hits are more keeping the buff ups. Certain ccs remove your bleeds outright. It's amazing when someone runs around a piller to die to bleeds tho.
Gotta pool your energy because haste is kind of useless
halcyon timber
what are you guys going for/looking forward to in 10.2 in terms of spec?
Both do solid damage and our class tree can definitely add some more customization for mobility/ survivability
quaint cedar
I don't even want to play live anymore
Outlaw feels so amazing on the PTR
Every build I try is fun and just slaps
jolly sierra
im just playing to getting gold and wait for inflation injection stacks
im getting a lot in the ret
KEK
halcyon timber
jolly sierra
exactly
vocal surge
yup lol
waxen meteor
Homies this seems to be the last run
remember to collect it if you are interested in
halcyon timber
I would but final exam prep > achievements
peak agate
Lol there's not visual proc for outlaws ambush?!
waxen meteor
it seems quite easy tbh i spent 30 seconds
potent pivot
it seems quite easy tbh i spent 30 seconds
Really? I’ve been wondering what all that secrets stuff was about
Didn’t realize it gave a mount
polar wasp
what is the best healer to duo with outlaw pls :3
peak agate
Better WA that shit
I was thinking that shit was a low proc rate then I saw the buff when I glanced up.
jolly sierra
https://www.wowhead.com/news/arcane-influence-time-limited-feat-of-strength-for-...
got it already, ty
the timer for this is short af
waxen meteor
Really? I’ve been wondering what all that secrets stuff was about
That’s different from the secret event
there seems to be a full secret event for 16 days and 16 secret you would run like forever
i did only the first 2 days and got an achievement
quaint cedar
I was thinking that shit was a low proc rate then I saw the buff when I glanced ...
Yeah, I really wish it had an indicator like other procs do. Shouldn't need a WA for it
jolly sierra
oh
its way more nerfed then?
well
time to move to double fang embellishment then
eda try doing the same
vocal surge
x)
waxen meteor
Panda led us to the cloak beginning of the season
waxen meteor
the timer for this is short af
are you saying the timer to collect the mount?
jolly sierra
are you saying the timer to collect the mount?
the FoS
jolly sierra
Panda led us to the cloak beginning of the season
still recall that,was like a gift given from heaven
sadly nothing to do
jolly sierra
feat of strength
wary spire
It served us well.
waxen meteor
Got a lobby as sin, with desto lock, against double war
i feel bad for the warlock
i don't really know how to save him
got double man on him all day
waxen meteor
i kinda able to maintain dots on double warrior like 100% time and kidney on CDR and use disarm when needed
but still not able to win
feel useless 😦
vocal surge
The new round of comments in the forums be different
Comparing rogues to paladins is not really a good comparison
Paladins are more rogue than Paladins imo
than rogues are to paladin
quaint cedar
I feel like a lot the feedback thread is devolving into stuff that just isn't helpful
vocal surge
Yeah
quaint cedar
Like people whining about dance on outlaw.
vocal surge
the Slice and Dice argument for Outlaw falls flat when it comes to PvP
because SnD is optional in 10.2
jolly sierra
they plagiarized our combo points with crusader strike combo
quaint cedar
Realz made it clear it isn't going anywhere, as if that wasn't already obvious enough by all the new talents added based around stealth mechanics
Dunno why people keep arguing about it
vocal surge
You only really press SnD to maintain Recuperation assuming you go Crit/Haste
quaint cedar
Or like the people saying "go back to combat". How is that useful feedback? lol
vocal surge
You have enough energy regen to not require SnD to be up 24/7
vocal surge
and in your opening rotation its better to use on BTE
quaint cedar
Idk depended on the build for me
halcyon timber
I feel like a lot the feedback thread is devolving into stuff that just isn't he...
Whole thread is a bunch of saboteurs
vocal surge
same between the subterfuge and shadow dance windows
Outside of those 3 windows, that's where you determine when to use SnD
quaint cedar
Slice is still important for overall damage. Increases white hits and mastery procs
vocal surge
Ye
It just doesn't contribute as much DPS
as your main rotation as far as the results show in PTR
vocal surge
In PvE, it's 100% gonna be maintaining SnD uptime
quaint cedar
Slice goes up after
vocal surge
just PvP, SnD just depends
Its hard to fit SnD when CDs are coming back up really fast
quaint cedar
In pvp you usually have a bit of downtime that is suitable for putting up slice anyways
halcyon timber
Plus recuperator as a small incentive is nice
vocal surge
Yeah
quaint cedar
Like if you get kited, just spend the spare CPs on your way back
quaint cedar
All my issues with slice are gone anyways
vocal surge
with the highest at ~11%
halcyon timber
The weiners griping about slice can even pick up control is king
quaint cedar
My biggest problem was wasting my opener on maintenance buffs
vocal surge
while Main Gauche is ~3% on the lowest side
to ~12% w. a lot of mastery averaging at 6%
halcyon timber
Shit is sick
quaint cedar
So slice is a total non issue for me
quaint cedar
Yeah been trying to figure out if it's worth or not
vocal surge
Its not worth lol
I've gotten SnD up to 111% attack speed increase
and it just doesn't do as much damage
quaint cedar
I think with improved bte being on the table again we're going to possibly go back to crit
vocal surge
as I want it to
quaint cedar
Which I'm excited for
vocal surge
btw, want me to show you the build im running for PTR?
quaint cedar
Yeah for sure
halcyon timber
An outlaw in the woods fighting off gov scum in elwynn forest . Colorized . 1776
quaint cedar
I can share a few of my too if they are any different
quaint cedar
Ok 1 sec let me get on
vocal surge
Ye
vocal surge
this is my stat spread
halcyon timber
I can hop on disc for a little
halcyon timber
School stuff to do
jolly sierra
what the heck
tame rivet
i've looked at the average pieces worn by top sub players and was seeing like 6-7 crafted pieces on them
went on rank 1 (at the time 1 week ago) and he barely had 2 items crafted 🤷
i guess it's preferences...
loud sable
that hunter is again at ptr forum. asking remove assassinations %10 execute
tame rivet
he complaining about monks too?
loud sable
You can peel hunter/warrior/monk when you or a partner are in execute range. There is counterplay to those strong executes. This one is different in a very specific and unfair way.
nope he only roguehater
tame rivet
isn't 10% like around 6-70k ish hp in most cases? rets get 1 gcd + guaranteed crit for that almost for free 👀
loud sable
This is the thing y’all are missing. You are not absolutely dead at 10%. Living at 0-10% is a huge part of the game right now.
he has answer for that too
tame rivet
well, in most cases if you drop under 80-100k you either get to max health due to massive cd popping by you/healer or die
i think the game is more like living at 15-30% hp constantly if you're focused i guess
jolly sierra
tbh is still hard to speak in english as foreigner in VC XD so i needed to rest for now guys lol
i'll do some exercise as i said, see ya later
loud sable
cya
he is MM hunter and i think he just wants mm hunter oneshot others so rest can be d tier
jolly sierra
that hunter is again at ptr forum. asking remove assassinations %10 execute
before i leave, who is he?
tame rivet
ah, MM hunter, the class who does even over 200k with one single cast
tame rivet
on no, i dunno, wasn't replying to that, sorry
jolly sierra
ah nvm
teal bridge
Does anyone know why the best assassination rogues use 5 pieces of tier instead of 4?
jolly sierra
he is MM hunter and i think he just wants mm hunter oneshot others so rest can b...
think i found him
tame rivet
fax
jolly sierra
i hate entilted and hypocrital ppl
loud sable
i hate that guy only want ruin rogue class. why he is just not trying feedback his own class forum ?
teal bridge
10.2?
languid ravine
isn't 10% like around 6-70k ish hp in most cases? rets get 1 gcd + guaranteed cr...
its not really comparable because (more or less) passive Touch of death is just layered in the background on top of your rotation and also your teammates rotation, and the burst happens exactly when you need it, its like permanently reducing enemy max hp by 10%, assuming it is easy enough to maintain bleed threshold
loud sable
with sporecloak nerf they will cry more
tame rivet
its not really comparable because (more or less) passive Touch of death is just ...
idk honestly, from what I saw we're at a point where cloth, mail and leather HPs are bigger than that of plate wearers so I feel that even 10% hp perma reduced would be somewhat ok for a rogue to have. i've even seen a hunter once with 1 mil hp hopping around
i'm more aversed by the complaints coming from a mm hunter that can freshly open on a target with a 200k hit that's more or less almost 40% hp
jolly sierra
i'm more aversed by the complaints coming from a mm hunter that can freshly open...
called his shit for that already
hope he is gone for now
potent pivot
That’s different from the secret event
Oh wth
peak agate
That hunter is special.
jolly sierra
a lot
he was asking if i had x35 ranks 1 in my EU acc
he just tried to straight attack me for my lvl in US and my xp, how foolish
and here we go again, i won't bother in reply anymore
tame rivet
if he has 35 ranks 1 in his acc then why he complaining
tame rivet
tame rivet
you should be yeah, at this point he's just trolling hard
jolly sierra
he become disarmed in arguments so tried to attack my personal info ingame
yeah, k hunter
tame rivet
like any respectable hunter would do 
jolly sierra
surreal barn
exotic dove
he become disarmed in arguments so tried to attack my personal info ingame
I think I know who that hunter is but this is probably the best neutral response in regards to the assa execute. https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/more-102-class-changes/1669923/31
loud sable
That hunter is special.
he is wow universe karen
this still needs to be removed from the game, please devs this doesn’t even make sense!
Dks execute takes 5s to trigger and does like 30k damage and now rogues will have a passive execute that does around 100k damage??? wtf?
look that another idiot gives dk execute as example. why not warrior hunter monk? 😄
tame rivet
meanwhile rets in a corner with no ms and still shit mobility: 
jolly sierra
rets got a lot of mobility indirectly with that midrange final veredict
jolly sierra
I think I know who that hunter is but this is probably the best neutral response...
hmmm i think was talking about being removed just for pvp
in pve is very underwhelming i recall
marble oasis
Rets are basically ranged at this point lol.
jolly sierra
exotic dove
hmmm i think was talking about being removed just for pvp
It wont be removed for pvp though it exists as a PVE talent so the only way it would happen is if it became like Double Tap for Hunters. Which I dont see
at least for now
jolly sierra
It wont be removed for pvp though it exists as a PVE talent so the only way it w...
double tap was disgusting af with double aimed shot
exotic dove
Yeah the Assa execute has to get so op like that in both contents for it to be removed. I believe that is why Double tap was removed anyway
jolly sierra
i tested for pve context the execute in a dummy
nothing to highlight in damage ngl
don't think it will be removed anytime soon
exotic dove
I dont think so either
peak agate
I was doing the intro quest with the talent and just basically mowing down groups of mobs. It will definitely make my very light pveing go quicker
spring bough
battle net login <1` minute and it has said that for the last 15 minutes lmaoooooo
loud sable
that hunter is really a troll
jolly sierra
yep
this guy is more stubborn than my mom, 500 times saying him i don't have an acc in US and is still in the same argument
glad i stopped replying
exotic dove
I find the best thing to do is just point out their behavior of past things they have said recently too them. Then again it could derail the thread even further
jolly sierra
tell him than disregarding a person for his level is not a way to win a discussion if he runs off of points
ah, and to don't flex his rating, that will just make him shot himself in the foot
exotic dove
I check pvp him his experience isn't really that impressive
no offense to him but its how I see it
I dont see mine as impressive either
jolly sierra
flex rating is the ultimate gigavirgin move
peak agate
Sure you have a few glads but do you own your space and have a nice 401k?
spring bough
yall forum beefing? lol
spring bough
over?
peak agate
Fuck yeah love internet beef!
spring bough
dont get yall selves banned for abusive language lmaoooooo
peak agate
The last time I posted on the wow forums was during beta when I basically said Envenom hit like a wet noodle. The pve nerds attacked me.
tame rivet
rets got a lot of mobility indirectly with that midrange final veredict
still getting shut down very fast by mages and the likes
exotic dove
It was in a feedback thread so Blizz will probably just disregard the entire discussion anyway lol
I was just an observer of it I didnt engage
Well the discussion over the Assa execute the hunter wanted removed
jolly sierra
still getting shut down very fast by mages and the likes
nah, just slap him a good veredict and spam the shit out the hammers of wrath and its over
tame rivet
wish it was that easy 😅
jolly sierra
it is, i play ret as alt
tame rivet
i main ret, it's not. it's good to annoy and keep some pressure, but one can't say it's just like a ranged class
doesn't take much to slow/root/freeze/cc a ret and move the fight the other side of the arena as a caster
besides freedom and trinket, ret's pretty much done
peak agate
Tbh mages are doing that to everyone
tame rivet
and that's how I got SSs that got to 70+ damp
tame rivet
Tbh mages are doing that to everyone
true, im probably just a bit salty at wars and monks and their gap closers, but ill get over it
tame rivet
my biggest issue with casters is the constant running around while freedom is the only thing i can use
spawning horse and getting rooted is an experience in itself 
not to mention... dem rogues
filthy roguesies
peak agate
With alter time misdirects...do they need additional roots?
wary spire
glad i stopped replying
It's so taxing to argue with "im right ur wrong" dumbos who don't even read your arguments. The best you can do out of that situation is a clown duo.
tame rivet
With alter time misdirects...do they need additional roots?
issue with that, especially in low-mid cr, is getting used to the mage's playstyle, some can be chased around like headless chickens while in some cases i just have to wait behind a pillar until the time is right to secure the kill, there's rarely an in-between - and until you learn how to deal with the playstyle, you might've already lost 2 rounds
peak agate
issue with that, especially in low-mid cr, is getting used to the mage's playsty...
Well in solo you have an additional partner. I was doing this in 2v2.
tame rivet
i believe solo is still a free for all in disguise in most cases 👀
peak agate
It's basically zug someone and maybe depending on how high you are you get some cc
I haven't enjoyed the mode. So I just do 2s and since he heals. I can theoretically do 3v3 if I ever want to
jolly sierra
It's so taxing to argue with "im right ur wrong" dumbos who don't even read your...
come to forums too
lol
jolly sierra
weird
u can try going to exile's reach again tho
and leaving the char in orgrimmar after finishing
maybe u didn't turned in the quest when u arrived to the city?
spring bough
any1 know what ilvl gear will turn into lfr items? chasing this white set and realize i could prob just cop some explorer gear and max it and then catalyst it if that works lol
quaint cedar
Rogue ptr thread is in shambles lol
stoic spruce
Why?
vocal surge
its gotten derailed hard
quaint cedar
Just lots of people derailing
stoic spruce
Oh gosh lol
quaint cedar
There's been this hunting trolling for days
Whining about hunters not getting changes
And saying that rogues don't deserve any
quaint cedar
Yeah like I get the frustration. I felt that when other classes were getting stuff and we were still waiting for our changes. But bombing feedback threads for other classes isn't the way lol
Other people tried to tell him that nicely and he still wouldn't go away
jolly sierra
There's been this hunting trolling for days
fucking guy
i already leapt there and left when the guy spinned to the same poor point he wanted to change
quaint cedar
Yeah last I checked the thread dude was just on repeat
I don't even know what he wants
spring bough
to cause chaos
quaint cedar
Like you said, MM can already delete someone 100-0 from stealth
From 60 yds away too
spring bough
yeah that shit so dumb lol
had that happen to me in a skirm last night open one dude turn around got shot to death without even blinking lol
quaint cedar
The funniest part is
They deleted double tap to stop MM from one shotting
But then they just kept buffing them and now they don't even need double tap to one shot
And then there's outlaw lmao
best I can do is a 50k killing spree
halcyon timber
Explosive shot is double tap but w volley becomes two charges
stoic spruce
*best I can do is a 50k killing spree*
I have huge news
I landed a killing blow with killing spree 2 nights ago
quaint cedar
MM hunter could throw his boot at me and do more damage than that
halcyon timber
Kek
quaint cedar
I landed a killing blow with killing spree 2 nights ago
On live servers? Not ptr?
jolly sierra
yeah called the shit out that too
quaint cedar
Lmao was going to say, that's disrespect right there
jolly sierra
how can cry for an execute if he can kill in 3 seconds from a stealthed sniper shot and a double tap
halcyon timber
Alright fellow scoundrels, thieves, miscreants and saboteurs. A few of us hung out in voice today discussing a lot. We all need to dog pile in on RBGs and focus test together and get organized more often.
halcyon timber
Yep
quaint cedar
Friday
halcyon timber
Friday at 6pm est
quaint cedar
Idk the timing for EU though
halcyon timber
We need to focus fire and discuss frequently
quaint cedar
But for US it's 6-8 pm EST this Friday
halcyon timber
Id encourage weekly hang outs at the least
This is our class and we need to stand for it
Or the jackasses will shape it
vocal surge
^
livid sparrow
How do I get that PVP hang glider?
halcyon timber
How do I get that PVP hang glider?
Mugumbala / kultiras vendor or go to dalaran
livid sparrow
Mugumbala / kultiras vendor or go to dalaran
what is the name?
livid sparrow
you know the vendor name ?
halcyon timber
Not off the top of my head
teal bridge
the pve tier works on pvp arenas?
spring bough
yeah but its nerfed by half
this was 102k when the round ended LMFAO
i cloaked karma LMFAO
halcyon timber
Good deal you filthy devil 😈
jolly sierra
But for US it's 6-8 pm EST this Friday
god dammit i'll be in ygo tourney guys
go without me this time F
halcyon timber
Rogues weigh in on this:
What are your thoughts on stuff like fangs/ other embellishments Would you think tuning stuff such as that to help avoid unnecessary nerfs.
- they are optional
- they probably are accounted for when tuning because potential x damage “could” come from it?
quaint cedar
go without me this time F
Damn. Well hopefully they will do more than one test. They did in 10.1
spring bough
arent fangs like the only embelish not nerfed in pvp?
quaint cedar
Rogues weigh in on this:
What are your thoughts on stuff like fangs/ other emb...
I'm neutral on it. Fangs require pve grinding to get and most pvp players won't bother
spring bough
pve embelish that is
quaint cedar
I doubt they consider it for tuning because of that
halcyon timber
Hopefully
spring bough
its only like 6-12 % depending on procs
quaint cedar
Certainly wouldn't mind not having to grind it myself though
quaint cedar
Was a pain in the ass since I'm not really into pve stuff
spring bough
yeah when ppl wont time the key and u get 5 aspect RIP
peak agate
Realistically, if they truly wanted a fair pvp. All that stuff would be unusable and racials would also be blocked.
halcyon timber
Right however theoretically
- why buff x on rogue when they can combine x from crafting. As their tuning argument.
halcyon timber
Realistically, if they truly wanted a fair pvp. All that stuff would be unusable...
Whole heartedly agree
quaint cedar
Yeah I can't argue with that
I like crafting being useful but I also dislike how important some of the embellishments are (especially precog for casters)
halcyon timber
I enjoy custom gear slots and such but if they looked at
Wow rogue did x y z and just knee jerked reactions nerfed us because some goofy luck occurred
quaint cedar
At least fangs aren't done goofy wahoo one shot gimmick
quaint cedar
It just increases your damage in a very flat/sustain profile kind of way
If that makes sense
quaint cedar
Little tired, words are failing me lol
halcyon timber
Understandable dude heh
peak agate
Are you talking about this ?https://www.wowhead.com/item=193554/fang-adornments
halcyon timber
Yeah ive got to study butnfigured id ask
quaint cedar
Yeah
peak agate
so the small population of nerds gonna pve for the tokens to get max level crafted weapons
quaint cedar
Hey you calling me a nerd??
halcyon timber
Are you talking about this ?https://www.wowhead.com/item=193554/fang-adornments
Yes items such as that where in theory
Why help sinister strike when rogues “could do this” and its “good enough” but then proceed to buff warlock by 10% and provide additional stuff
Just a weird question was all
I like neat stuff but i always wonder .. ya know?
halcyon timber
The poison… the poison made for kuzco.. kuzco’s poison
peak agate
barred in pvp, buff ss dam
halcyon timber
Do we have confirmation on the head enchant being turned off?
quaint cedar
The poison… the poison made for kuzco.. kuzco’s poison
Love that movie
halcyon timber
It was working in pvp earlier when we were in voice
halcyon timber
Love that movie
Me too dude. Great john candy and david spade movie
halcyon timber
barred in pvp, buff ss dam
Agreed
quaint cedar
Oh yeah the head enchant sounds like something that should be turned off in pvp
halcyon timber
(Comes from raiding as well)
quaint cedar
Not a fan of Random Bullshit Go! types of enchants or procs or whatever
halcyon timber
Not sure if it is also pvp provided or is intended
halcyon timber
Not a fan of Random Bullshit Go! types of enchants or procs or whatever
Chance to summon a meteor out of a pokeball
peak agate
gushing wooons
quaint cedar
Well, I played outlaw on the ptr for a couple of hours today and was having a blast. Can't wait for 10.2. Realz really knocked it out of the park with these changes
halcyon timber
We can confirm verdant gladiator gear is also ready to test on ptr vendors now
quaint cedar
Really looking forward to testing solo Q BGs this Friday too
halcyon timber
Me too
quaint cedar
Anyways, going to chill and watch some TV now. Catch you all later
Keep stabbing my boys
🗡️
halcyon timber
No school ✅
Energy drinks ✅
Murder and burn down houses with the boys ✅
peak agate
neat
peak agate
when i was dicking around with outlaw earlier. I found haste a lot smoother
halcyon timber
yeah I'm digging haste as well. A little bit seems to be pretty smooth for regen and getting shadow technique procs a little sooner and aids rupture a good bit. It feels kinda like when SnD was apart of my mastery back in the day but not quite THAT much which is pretty slick.
halcyon timber
yeah they had that as resolve trinkets in SL. They had a kiss curse on that but yeah.
Fastidious and Echoing resolve I think it was?
Hear me out boys, what if v
halcyon timber
yeah might be the way moving forward. I want to craft those other embelishments too and test them out a lot such as the secondary stats one to see how it affects things.
Blizzy: we need to find a way to lure those pesky pvpers into helping the non cc'ing folk in pve.
Blizzy guy 2: I've got it!
[fangs] were created
vocal surge
Frozen Devotion does ~1% of your dps
depending on the duration of the fight
I think boots embellishment loses value the higher ilvl you are
unless the effect stats on it scales up like Fang
halcyon timber
Sounds about right, definitely need to make a graph with a lot of entries if we were to "truly" compare data I suppose.
peak agate
alt 2s and the sudden realization that resto druids are super annoying to deal with
now i can try that new pvp gear on ptr tho
halcyon timber
yeah multi target garrote silence might be a huge boon to smoking druids now. I've heard those treants heal quite a bit and benefit from their mastery.
peak agate
I will def try that in melee cleaves (the talent IC, not silence) because i doubt the casters are going to be close together
halcyon timber
I dig it, yeah Ironwire might be the cleave killer if that makes sense
that 15% DR + Feint yeah boy
peak agate
I also noticed, but it just might be me. Once patch 10.1 came the game's performance hasn't been the same.
halcyon timber
like stuttering?
I turned off raytracing and played with particle settings and that fixed a majority of that kinda deal (no fps drops). Also Vsync is off.
They swapped to a particles as instances for a lot of stuff ( a solid way to make crowds of npcs: Ex is the dragons flying around in valdrakken off in the skybox and in the city)
peak agate
yeah I get random fps drops when Im used to playing on 144fps
im on the ptr. I kind of like the look of these daggfers
interesting stats
nearly 900k hp and 43% verse
depsite all that my envenom damage is 41k for 5 points lulz
halcyon timber
that matches up with what the boys were saying earlier
yeah damage tapers off it seems with the increase in item level (this one was bigger in difference in levels prob as a curvilinear kinda set up) Probably adjusted that way to account for tier sets + embelishments/ procs and such in addition to a 2v3 while a healer is cc'd as an example.
peak agate
well the verse makes sense, on live I can get around 40% with pvp gear. The stat starts to DR like at 25 right?
halcyon timber
I wonder if we can take the pvp gear to Tyrhold and convert it or if a vendor was put in to convert it for testing.
peak agate
let me check
halcyon timber
I believe it does 25% and tapers off to provide room for class defensives ex: feint.
Probably works something like ((your stuff) + Feint + your versatility - enemy versatility + their stuff ))/ 100 or some jazz like that as a way of calculating absolute values +/- variance of outside forces helping (outside cds like PS negating your stuff on top of that).
halcyon timber
ahhh mk, good to clear that up
peak agate
I'm not taking all this verse, that extra 2 % damage reduction I'll lose isnt going really change too much
halcyon timber
Yeah , kiting and cds are king
peak agate
hmm so I see kingsbane dots are criting for 132k
looks like a target dummy bug. Meh.
halcyon timber
Anyway to test that reliably? Glad to hear that’s filthy at least
peak agate
im checking the pve dummies
jolly sierra
god guys u are active af now
peak agate
pve dummy
stoic spruce
rip
peak agate
pvp dummy
obviously my ilvl goes back down for the pve one but ya know thats just a tick
not the initial hit
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god guys u are active af now
Have to be, rogues stick together .
Which valdrakken?
It works on successive applications right? Was that like the 5th stack or something? That’s good if so just wondering why it is scaling very high.
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It works on successive applications right? Was that like the 5th stack or someth...
it doesn't show me stacks, it might be hidden or i dont see a buff. I'll try again
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Or the xth time it was applied as an example
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its based on how many times you apply your lethal poison
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I wonder if that is a quadratic type deal
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im guessing using DTB and spamming envenom is causing it to double dip
because it used to share the node with it
so you only had one lethal
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Like each mh (lethal) + 2nd lethal from dtb + snd
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now you have 2
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Versus doing it w/o snd
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well i have snd up too
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To see if how many stabby stabbs = x