pvp

[surreal barn]

So funny

[halcyon timber]

Well subterfuge allows a lot of great things

Makes sense cuz its not like we are doing a hostile action to break our concealment anyway

No one blinks when a druid prowls and farts in your eye right in front of you but if a rogue does stuff its illegal

[jolly sierra]

yeah nerf rogues

[peak agate]

Ya know if blizzard wants to give sin rogues stealth modifers they should provide alternative ways to get back in stealth not shadow dance. (This is relationship to IC/garrote and lesser extent ambush)

[halcyon timber]

Sepsis did that and people griped because of pve nerd stuff

[peak agate]

I was going to mention sepsis but that's ultimately optional to take.

[halcyon timber]

IT reSeTs tHe EliTe hOw dO i Geat Mah treAsurE iF i CanT kIlL hIm?

Right the vanish on it was brought up in discussion recently as well

Focusing on assassination i believe

[peak agate]

Maybe make smoke bomb available in pve again and when you're in the area you are allowed to use stealth abilities.

But I guess that would make some pve nerd mad that's it's apart of the rotation.

I'm just spitballing ideas.

[halcyon timber]

yeah brought that up a while ago too

i suggested bomb grants subterfuge

some pver's were on board but lots of dumb groups would riot over bomb being back

LFG postings for keystones would look like BFA (3 OUTLAW ROGUES ONLY +29 FREEHOLD)

[peak agate]

😂

[spring bough]

Uncapped flurry was god.

[halcyon timber]

Speaking of Outlaw,

Any of you scoundrels test to see if blind talent can be cancel aura'd on the blade flury to not break it?

[spring bough]

Nope idt that talent is working yet

[halcyon timber]

mk so WIP

prob means he's not ready to deploy it yet and is making it better

[spring bough]

I just wanna find out if it spreads blackjack

If it does solo is a wrap

[peak agate]

Isn't it 40% of the duration? So like 3 second

[halcyon timber]

another example of
AOE stuff is fine on other classes!

Rogue does it : WhAT dA FiSh BlizzArD?!?!?

still those 3 seconds allows for a lot of flexibility

same deal needs to happen with my stunning secret though

[spring bough]

3 seconds could prob 100 to 0 someone as outlaw now

[halcyon timber]

3s duration to 2 additional targets is fair

yeah but we don't have tuning

and other classes are doing dumb damage too. spotlight isn't exactly on us.

just brought on us because "we're rogues"

[spring bough]

Delusional got me last night full health one kidney I was dead before the stun wore off

[halcyon timber]

makes sense , again before tuning

as blizz has shown they don't like us doing full life bars in kidney shots all of this expansion

[peak agate]

We also are about to have like 800-1mill HP in full conquest

[halcyon timber]

so it is safe to say we are getting nerfed regardless of what's up

[spring bough]

Not necessarily

[halcyon timber]

yeah

• Stamina isn't set yet
• Gear levels aren't set yet
• talents haven't been tuned

[spring bough]

Outlaw is a big skill level have to get it perfect for its full blast

[halcyon timber]

it's like fighting in blues pretty much

yeah but once again the dumb excuse of "you're a rogue" will prevail

[spring bough]

All the FOMO s tier people won’t like it lol

[halcyon timber]

other classes reee and rogue stonks goes down

F FOMO kids anyway

stay the f off our class. I don't normally say corrosive things like that but yeah

[peak agate]

We are rogues and all we can do is DPS. Let us DPS 😭

[halcyon timber]

If you're a rogue, you're a rogue. If you goof off on 50 classes, you're no rogue.

[stoic spruce]

not in pvp

[halcyon timber]

oh but they do my dear popo

[stoic spruce]

they do not.

[spring bough]

This waS me and a sin vs a sub and sin in skirmish

[halcyon timber]

we are tuned around tier set + crafted (expected anticipated items for variance) + gimmicks

[stoic spruce]

otherwise trinkets, embelishments, etc wouldnt be nerfed in pvp

[halcyon timber]

si but they are nerfed and are accounted for "potential damage" I guess

[peak agate]

Seeing ambush on combat makes me sad.

[stoic spruce]

if theyre too strong they get nerfed again

[halcyon timber]

I would like to think they have some type of whacky

What if rogues get X on Y combinations and they tune that way

Not singling us out but variance does play a part

[spring bough]

Not when it his twice almost all the time lol

And gives an extra CP

I also didn’t cast dispatch once those were all off BTE casts

[halcyon timber]

Outlaw is like throwing haymakers spinning around playing death metal at a kids bday party

[peak agate]

Back in my day we spammed SS and eviscerate.

[halcyon timber]

just multi slammng tf out of people

[spring bough]

377k passive damage aent bad lol

[halcyon timber]

yeah it has notes to be tuned next week too

[spring bough]

I got a 76k BF KB lol

[peak agate]

We weren't pirates either!

[halcyon timber]

lots of double dipping interactions on rogues apparently

still aren't exactly pirates

[peak agate]

They are something

[halcyon timber]

Realz did talk about that xD. Outlaw "covers" pirates as well but isn't exclusive to that.

[peak agate]

Assassination aren't really assassins

[spring bough]

I just want cannonball barrage

[halcyon timber]

however peopel are more than encouraged to be considered pirates if you want your rogue to be

[spring bough]

I want a finisher to summon that cannon again lol

[halcyon timber]

barrage ain't comin back, he talked about that the other day

at like 4:30 am

[peak agate]

They are more akin to murderer with a blood fetish

[halcyon timber]

nothing is as dumb as hunger for blood

hunger for hobos was a dumb buff

[peak agate]

"We slowly kill you with our bleedsz"

[halcyon timber]

Subtlety to me has always been a thief, a planner and nothing else.

the shadow stuff is fine to an extent but i'm not sold on it taking over

a duality is good

but shadow priest with a knife isn't

[peak agate]

Sub is some sort of ghetto ninja

[halcyon timber]

disgusting mental imagery

[peak agate]

All that specs needs now is a katana

[halcyon timber]

nah

keep that shit away

no 2 handers, that's just dumb

we always had a little bit of mysticism and that is fine

Subtlety is a thief / saboteur / deceiver etc like GW2 (GW2 modeled thief after rogues from wow no joke)

[sour charm]

So wait, we get the new ptr update tomorrow night yeah?

[halcyon timber]

maybe /shrug

[jolly sierra]

too edgy

[peak agate]

Usually Wednesdays? No?

[peak agate]

Sub can get more edgey

[halcyon timber]

no thanks

like I love sad and dark shit but yeah. Don't forget where we come from ever.

don't need to muddy up what made rogues great over the years

[jolly sierra]

bloodfang xmog with a blindfold and 2 katanas enchanted with berserk ilussion

add undead and a mohawk

[halcyon timber]

jfcs fried chicken

[peak agate]

And for RP purposes one of their eyes is blind.

[jolly sierra]

edgy true experience

[peak agate]

Look at this "great" feedback.

[halcyon timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbt61vcAkG0

[jolly sierra]

what the heck

and ppl is upvoting that shit

[halcyon timber]

yeah they took that away for a reason , good riddance too.

they don't remember all the exploiting people did w that either

going through the world for farming and shit

[peak agate]

I'm all for asking for things you find personally fun but what's that gotta do with the current tree.

[halcyon timber]

attacking people under the vrykul area in storm heim

yeah fun is cool within reason

some people think "fun" is what the rextroy dude does and then reee "fun detected" constantly like parrots

sometimes reading the forums is no different than echoing farts off a toilet bowl

[peak agate]

Gotta make your main class op and full of shenanigans.

[halcyon timber]

warlocks: visibly sweating

[peak agate]

Also prune everything so my rotation is 2 buttons

[halcyon timber]

yeah Dh went from 2 to 4 and they blow a fuse about it

[peak agate]

There's a two button fury spec that I'm messing around with in bgs

[halcyon timber]

their tier set is pretty filthy too , just read up on it

[fallow rune]

Are there no green weaponry you can buy for pvp?

[peak agate]

No friend

[fallow rune]

Like the obsidian stuff armor

[halcyon timber]

you can buy the honor gear and there are crafted pieces that are like really basic level stuff if you want

[fallow rune]

Ye I bought the crafted stuff for armor, but can't find any weapons.

[halcyon timber]

If i'm understanding your question correctly

oh, dunno

[peak agate]

You can't make weapons

For some reason

[fallow rune]

Shame.. I got full set so I dont go into pvp without anything.

[halcyon timber]

yeah crafted weapons > embelishment

no ?

oyh wait you can't

jk

was testing you bubs

[peak agate]

It would be nice if you could.

I'd make more money on my blacksmith

[halcyon timber]

yeah but probably a reason why they didn't

some kind of anticipated tom foolery I guess

[jolly sierra]

weps are gated by pve

if u don't do pve, pay or push in +

[peak agate]

Pvp crafted weapons tho

[halcyon timber]

remember when badge was solid and PvE kids were like "I'M forcEd tO pvP?!"

y dO I hAvE tO pvP BliZuRd?

[peak agate]

You can pve and craft your 447 ilvl but at that point just buy it from the vendor

[halcyon timber]

yep pretty much

[peak agate]

But I wanted to make some verse mastery daggers

[halcyon timber]

and crafted gear is getting cracked down next season

[peak agate]

Alas I get my crit/verse

[halcyon timber]

more of a split in gear lvls and stuff

[peak agate]

It's only 6 ilvls from max

[halcyon timber]

I do like me some crit verse. Crispy like a mcdonald's sprite .

[peak agate]

If I pved I would have just made them

[halcyon timber]

in the patch? I didn't read through it but saw it mentioned.

[fallow rune]

Have they released any toy that lets you get all the flightpoints in dragonflight?

[halcyon timber]

oh like in SL? the flight map convergeance thing? Not yet but probably in this patch as "regular" flying is coming.

[peak agate]

Max ilvl is 489, max craft is 483

[halcyon timber]

ah mk that's coolio

any intel on the conquest badge / embelishment?

[peak agate]

That probably comes super late in ptr

[halcyon timber]

I meant to upgrade gear to max pvp lvl

[uneven grove]

casuals smh

[halcyon timber]

didn't mean embelishment but yeah

they are probably reconsidering pvp embelishments as well

precognition is staying

healer trinkets are 90 sec and they all just received sizable buffs across content

[peak agate]

Killing a healer without damp is hilarious now in regular BGs they are going to have short trinket.

And bette heals

[halcyon timber]

So trophy of conquest also gets us to 489

yeah imagine SW human paladin -> 1 min sac / bop x 2/ DS / 20% DR (forgot the name) / EMFHS trinket + pvp trinket

[peak agate]

Might just roll healer to troll in bgs.

[spring bough]

Here’s a real thought. When is outlaw gonna get the DW 2Hs 😂

[halcyon timber]

oh and precognition

[spring bough]

Imagine outlaw fury rogue lmfaooooo

[halcyon timber]

@queen geyser what are your thoughts?

A lot of these pve trinkets def need to be halved or more in pvp too like asap or the start of the season is going to be kinda nuts.

[queen geyser]

I was about to say I could see Outlaw wielding a two hander

But there ain't no way you're using a pistol along with it

Unless like

The gun

Is the two hander

Like Chaos Dwarves

[peak agate]

With a two hander, they use a cannon instead of a pistol.

[spring bough]

That would be fun. It’s a sword but it shoots too 😂

Imagining the animations on that and just going from slashing with that to pointing and shooting 😂

[peak agate]

Game needs more animations. Imagine if there was one where you actually see your character punch someone's kidney.

[queen geyser]

Animations are an untapped class customization gold mine

[halcyon timber]

time and resources for sure

[queen geyser]

Races used to be distinct in the animation department but then everything was homogenized for

Some

[halcyon timber]

as an animator, it's a lot of work

[queen geyser]

Reason

[peak agate]

Watching a gnome jump and punch a Taurens' kidney..

[queen geyser]

Oh yeah right it's a small indie company they certainly don't have TIME AND RESOURCES

[peak agate]

Blizzard is Microsoft now

[jolly sierra]

smol indie company

[halcyon timber]

xD they are told what they can and can't spend time doing

bosses tell them what time and resources they have , not the animators fault

or engineer or combat team etc

[peak agate]

Microsoft throws money into Xbox and they Dont seem to care if that makes a profit.

[halcyon timber]

just make the game solid, idc what politics they want to do

don't eff up our world and we are happy

Metzen is back and that's all that matters

[jolly sierra]

thought he wouldn

t

come back ever again

[peak agate]

Animations would make pvp easier for everyone. Right you see some random particle effects and some color spells. If you're new you have no idea what's happening

[halcyon timber]

yeah he loves wow

thing is they do a lot of animations but for like new ablilities and the many new trinkets and vfx and wahtever else

prob a good technical question to ask our boy if he gets to come hang w us

[peak agate]

It doesn't need to be fancy. Like mutilate has a very specific animation that's shared with some other shit

[halcyon timber]

Right however, there are 3 main parts to an animation

1. Anticipation
2. Action / warning
3. Recoil animation

Visual indicators are talked about a lot and that's a new person's deal to learn what is in our world

mutilate and rupture are the same animation but with different particle vfx and extra lingering effects based on ench / psns / other classes hitting that target etc

Players can also turn down spell density to help with that as well in the combat settings so things aren't as chaotic or over stimulating for information

(also helps w your system too ) but yeah

[jolly sierra]

[spring bough]

i dont know what any of that means but it sounds good

[peak agate]

This is all valid stuff. I'm suggesting is an easier simpler way of telling what's going on. Makes pve more inviting.

Pvp*

[halcyon timber]

right and that comes down to indicators

ffxiv as an example does that and wow does it too

it's just the pacing of vfx as it isn't a 4.5 sec gcd to make someone look cool . ain't no body waiting on grandpa with his reflexes to pillar .

speaking of grandpa's. There is a wow grandma (literal stream name) who does very high lvl keystones and stuff like really really well.

[peak agate]

That's awesome and wholesome.

[halcyon timber]

yeah pretty cool

What's up with people trash talking dance on outlaw lately?

[shadow creek]

That's been discussed since DF beta, a lot of longtime Outlaw players don't like relying on Dance or stealth abilities in general for dps, they feel it doesn't fit thematically, which I can 100% understand...you don't see a lot of stealthy brawlers. I don't mind personally, but I do wish there was a more viable pistol-oriented choice instead of being pigeonholed into dance, etc. Just my $.02.

[halcyon timber]

same time we are rogues

outlaw's do scumbag stuff like the rest of us rogues. Maybe not as much but I def wouldn't want to be sneaking around with a meathead warrior who doesn't appreciate the fine arts of bridge bombing, mailman murdering, espionage, sabotage heh. I understand though to an extent. A rogue can never trade and bang in the paint like a warrior though because we aren't warriors.

[spring bough]

just went to live. put on 50% masterty as outlaw. ripped a solo shuffle lol. main gauche did my 2nd most dmg average 22k crit

1/2 fang weps and it did 4% overall of my dmg bout to go farm a second one

[halcyon timber]

slash em up man

[vocal surge]

2h wielding outlaws

[spring bough]

i think MG procs the fang proc cause i was getting a lot of them back to back. most of the time MG hit i would get a fang hit right after

[spring bough]

2H gun wielding outlaws lol

like survival but better

[vocal surge]

Ambush be hitting giga hard

[stoic spruce]

they shouldve just made an exact replica and put it in a random dungeon

[stoic spruce]

I had a dream of this once

[vocal surge]

It'd be among of the pirate archetypes imma be real

[spring bough]

i know people hate it but i just wanna have one season with a giga chad PVE item that blows it up in pvp

[vocal surge]

like the solar trinket?

[spring bough]

like if beacon worked in pvp i would be going wild lmfao

1 milly KBs

[peak agate]

Ambush as outlaw is hilarious just a dude shooting you from behind.

[spring bough]

i never understood ambush losing its dagger requirement i guess i was busy with my DK when that happend but ima vanilla combat rogue and ambush was solely daggers and i dont get how it works for swords lol

but ill ride the ambush wave cause it slaps lol

[jolly sierra]

ambush is literal a sneak attack

[peak agate]

They should unnerf critical strike damage so I can go back on meme spec.

[jolly sierra]

even with a hammer u should ambush

[spring bough]

but the tooltips a dagger stabbing lol

[jolly sierra]

crit strike dmg nerf is ok

heroic strike has the same one for warrs kek

[spring bough]

blizz not knowing the diff between sword and dagger got it lmfao

cause dispatch the same too just a diff color

[peak agate]

They make up the rules they can change it

[peak agate]

What made it heroic? I never did know.

[jolly sierra]

it sacrified itself as an ability to dump the rage

[spring bough]

same ability? lol

[jolly sierra]

nope

same icon

[spring bough]

i know its a joke lol

[jolly sierra]

a

[peak agate]

R.I.P slam with a cast time

[spring bough]

i used to pull so much aggro on my fury war lmfao

[peak agate]

Called slam but never slams anything

[spring bough]

1 on damage and the one with all the mobs on him GG world buffs i wasted 1 hour getting

[halcyon timber]

nOoo rNg itS nOt FaiRrr . I mean they do have crumbling aegis or whatever which is like 5500 primary stat and other simlar ridiculous affects not including the new PVE only helmet enchant. PvErs also have a crap ton of different enchants / effects / other toys which is good for them. They can live without our badge haha.

[teal bridge]

guys im 0 rating on pvp, can i start with subtlety?

[peak agate]

Speaking of badges, should arena ratings just change to ranks?

[halcyon timber]

mostly mechanical changes and normalizing damage at one point when they started moving from weapon damage to attack power solely. I remember those days oddly. Same example with hemorrhage when they did that (same manner of execution).

[halcyon timber]

you can only go up from there man, just remember to have fun and don't sweat it.

[waxen meteor]

Everybody starts with zero

[halcyon timber]

I've seen similar posts around and I'm not completely sure

Ex: "gold" and not being able to drop below gold once achieved?
positive: you can keep pushing
negative: booster gates probably happen and nothing is fixed due to turds not being flushed

[peak agate]

Well if the booster is above they would be stuck fighting people their level.

Unless you mean smurfing

[halcyon timber]

not sure what that term indicates

[peak agate]

But eventually they would go back to a certain rank m

[peak agate]

New character on a lower bracket

[halcyon timber]

dunno, sounds like some dumb ring of nonsense would just "pass off" a boostee to another team mate / alt character and nothing is solved regardless

it's a people problem , players eff stuff up . not blizz in that sense

iTs bEeN aRouNd sIncE vaNilLa - stop

get a job, go outside

[peak agate]

I don't really want it for anti boosting. I just want to maintain a competitive atmosphere. Sometimes I play people way above or way below.

[halcyon timber]

I can get behind that aspect of it

[peak agate]

You're not getting better in either extreme

[halcyon timber]

Same time, that's more of an MMR issue no?

like if some 1200 healer magically just pops into a 2100 bracket like mrs. frizzle exploring saturn on magic school bus

[peak agate]

Well that's part of the reason why it needs to change. I'm guessing they don't do it because of queue times.

[halcyon timber]

agreed

[peak agate]

Because I do face boosters in 2s. It's not always a L either especially when you find out who's getting boosted.

[halcyon timber]

an alternative solution is :

1. somone leaves - you leap frog into a queue
2. some turd doesn't accept like now - you leap frog as usual
3. not enough players at an appropriate level - no queue instead of "just getting to play for the sake of it"

a goody bag of gold prob wouldn't help too much for healers. Intrinsic value > extrinsic however it is vise versa to the more alienated of heart I guess.

[peak agate]

I guess it depends on the bracket you're refering to. The best part about 2s besides being meme is you can do double dps and get instant ques.

[teal bridge]

where i can see the sub rogues gear?

[halcyon timber]

I remember in FFXIV
we had these events in pvp when they did cross overs with anime / other games / tv shows etc

Limited time event transmog but PVErs threw a fit because they were "gate kept" even in random bgs.

[peak agate]

can use this as a baseline https://drustvar.com/pvp/top-players/rogue/subtlety?bracket=all&region=all&rating=1800

[teal bridge]

thx

[halcyon timber]

agreed

2s + 3s not the same as rated skirmish

[wary spire]

https://murlok.io/rogue/subtlety/solo
I usually check the current gear here.

[teal bridge]

thx too

[peak agate]

I dont do solo que, it was fun in the beginning but it's rough and i have no patience to wait 30-40 mins to be stuck with a Warlock that is getting cheesed in double melee lobby.

A lot of people who play that mode seem stressed out.

[halcyon timber]

yeah what I learned from shuffle are a few valuable lessons

1. people are impatient
2. people do not use their full kit available to them and think it's pve
3. People don't use intelligence or set up anything

They are stressed because they put in a lot of effort when you're doing a 1v5

• it's you hoping your team doesn't do goofy crap while also preventing the enemy team from being successful.

The amount of interrupts people DON'T use or create a window to do shit when they are on a class that can do so is ridiculous

I haven't had any partners either in DF, tried doing a lot with a friend but ain't flying. I got him to 2k in Sl but for whatever reason he just isn't so great at discipline anymore. he kinda just gets ticked and plays a bunch of different classes when things aren't going well.

[peak agate]

thats another community problem, no one wants to make 'friends" . Its easier to do soloshuffle

[halcyon timber]

agreed

devs make game 1
players make game 2

Player made problem, not blizz.

[steep loom]

why they got a rogue holding dreadblades on a sub rogue guide?

[wary spire]

I meeeaaaan. Ff14 is less toxic not because weebs are magic, the moderation there actually enforces their rules. Game's a container, players are liquid.

[halcyon timber]

I can agree w that

same time ffxiv has a shit ton of toxic turds standing around in cities

as soon as they started adding addons and raids starting w stormborne people started being pricks

[wary spire]

Coz dreadblades are coolblades.

[halcyon timber]

xD

[teal bridge]

Is there a set for pvp too?

[peak agate]

no addons in wow and suddenly the game is t10 times harder

[wary spire]

YoshiP ain't gonna be happy about that.

[halcyon timber]

yeah man

[jolly sierra]

he is right

u can use the catalyzer

[wary spire]

I wish ff14 and wow had a crossover event, that'd be dope.

[jolly sierra]

and get pvp tier with pvp pieces

uses the pve bonus sets

[teal bridge]

omg thx

[jolly sierra]

at least he didn't said something like "fkn noob gtfo"

unusual, but nice

[halcyon timber]

that's where you take a spooky dookie on his desk in retaliaton

[waxen meteor]

Yeah for sub it’s good to have 2 tier

But anyway it’s playable without

[jolly sierra]

send him a bomb mail

[waxen meteor]

Just don’t need rotten side without 2tier

[wary spire]

Type out his ip adress in your reply.

[peak agate]

lmao

This interaction reminded me of another solo shuffle story where the healer apologize for being new. I said "its all good, its just one game" and other dps said "you shouldnt que then"

[halcyon timber]

a humpback whale should tea bag his mom for that as karma

[jolly sierra]

92.28.211.234

[peak agate]

Damn, what his mom do lol

[halcyon timber]

cause and effect

[jolly sierra]

what a pieces of shit

tell the other dps to touch grass and get some friends irl instead being so insufferable

[teal bridge]

how can i use the catalyzer with pvp pieces

[jolly sierra]

drag the piece

and turn it

like pve ones

[peak agate]

avoidance enchant 😮

[teal bridge]

i cant dude

only show pve

[jolly sierra]

which one is the pvp piece u wanna turn in?

[waxen meteor]

If you can’t it means it has been a tier one

[teal bridge]

head

or feet

[waxen meteor]

No you don’t turn head to tier

And foot doesn’t have real tier set

[jolly sierra]

head is honor one

u need a conquest piece

[teal bridge]

thx

[jolly sierra]

np

if u are rushed try getting some piece from sparks of life weekly

those ones can be turned into tier too

[halcyon timber]

I hope they slip in a gas station bathroom and get covered in dook

[teal bridge]

spark of like? not shadowflame?

life

[halcyon timber]

Yeah the trophy currency gear allows for different targeted stats and scales to an extent

[jolly sierra]

ask them to sniff a car tail pipe

[jolly sierra]

spark of life quest awards a trophy

that trophy can be used to turn rare world quest items into epic ones

u use that item and turn it into tier

[halcyon timber]

Hope they get 540 tornado kicked by a silverback gorilla

[jolly sierra]

donkey kong

[peak agate]

https://tenor.com/view/dk-nintendo-donkey-kong-gif-4472496

[jolly sierra]

kek

[halcyon timber]

New bandolier trinket on ptr is cool btw.

Throw out a blade and it returns to you hitting everyone on the way back.

[teal bridge]

which is for the tier

[waxen meteor]

None

But both are useful

[teal bridge]

[waxen meteor]

Use the first one to craft a shoulder

Use the second one to craft a head

[halcyon timber]

Those are for making gear bump up to max pvp lvl

[waxen meteor]

That’s way quicker than farming like 1400 conquer

And it’s quite cheap these days yo craft

You farm conquer and redeem chest and pant, then convert to tier

After main hand weapon of course

You are starting from zero, tbh 2 set doesn’t change day and night

It does change the some of your burst rotation from no tier quite, may take a while to adjust

So if you can start practicing with 2 tier set it’s probably easier

[waxen meteor]

Is it like a SL bomb trinket?

Of course it sounds like it hits differently

But it sounds like a manual burst trinket to add direct dmg?

[halcyon timber]

Like the resonator? Nah. Its a blade you throw into your target and it does this cool shadowflame cut and sticks into the target .it returns to you after 3 sec and hits all enemies in the way on the way back. So you can be creative with it and movre around trying to slash stuff up.

Does increased damage per unique target struck when returning to you on your path

Its like a boomerang blade kinda thing if that makes sense

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/amirdrassil-the-dream-s-hope-raid-testing-schedule-1669121

They are starting the raid tests on Thursday so that means the patch is well on its way which is cool

Mid oct? Early nov for release?

[peak agate]

oct seems likely

blizcon prob big annoucement

[halcyon timber]

Agreed

[spring bough]

3 more aspect crests and im double fanging

[halcyon timber]

Yeh boy

Slashing faces like jason

https://www.wowhead.com/news/theun-reviews-patch-10-2-healer-changes-healers-still-too-powerful-335015#comments

Someone explain to me like im 5 why healing is being adjusted?

Yeah its a pve thing but that affects us too.

If healers are pissed in pvp already does that correlate with less healers?

Healers like being support from what friends say but if their job becomes too rough then why heal?

It appears direct healing is being improved versus cd reliance but yeah I don’t speak healy heal

[peak agate]

looks like im going back to LFG to find another healer to be my friend.

[halcyon timber]

Dang man

Likewise

[spring bough]

healers are so OP its not even funny

dueld a disc outside org last night on PTR

literally sat there for 15 minutes dude went OOM was still healing and shielding and i couldnt get him lower than 20% before it was back to full health

it is insanity

like if i was in a 2v2 rated and it was me against a disc healer to end it id be afraid lol

[halcyon timber]

Yeah dampening is what evens the odds at some point

The article brought up spikeyness as how they are going about it in raids snd such

[stoic spruce]

cap

nerf damage dealt from mobs and tune healers from there

[halcyon timber]

Counter offer : put moroes in dungeon runs and he pops up and kidney shots a healer like bonjourno (inglorious bastards style)

[peak agate]

They can also have higher mana cost.

[peak agate]

Love it

[jolly sierra]

what the heck

[sturdy zealot]

Is there any guide on rogue shenanigans for random bgs? I wanna get into pvp casually but have no idea where to start and what people mean when they say “go do rogue things” lol. Planning to play sin if that matters

[peak agate]

The best thing about random bg is no one really cares what you're doing.

And epic bgs are so big that you can take your time practicing and trying stuff out because the rest of the team can still win.

[sturdy zealot]

Ahh gotcha

In that case where would I start with if I wanna make some kind of difference in a bg as a rogue?

[peak agate]

Protecting flags. Killing flag carriers. Depends on the bg.

[waxen meteor]

I personally just carry on single tasks and get exposed in 1on1 or 2on2 ish stuff

I feel that’s what we are good at and have more fun

Also we are good at returning flags

[sturdy zealot]

Ah okay, thanks!

[jolly sierra]

random bgs doesn't matter too much tbh s ppl said

u usually protect a flag or go to cap something

or assault ppl in roads from stealth

lol

[peak agate]

In large group content you're basically are there to stall. Fighting 2-3 isn't what we excel at.

[languid ravine]

Wanna hear a joke?

A beastmaster hunter was practicing his rotation

thanks for coming to my comedy special

[stoic spruce]

Lmaooo

When you said rotation, I felt that.

[waxen meteor]

I got a 23/30 solo week on my hunter super alt

I feel it’s so effective in sub 2100 range

[languid ravine]

I mean he was probably rotating his character model to look at his transmog :^)

[halcyon timber]

Get some ! Yeh boy

[waxen meteor]

Hope one day sub rogue can have such burst

[halcyon timber]

Ha

[waxen meteor]

I feel I am literally doing 100-0 as soon as I can cast for like 3 seconds

[halcyon timber]

Yeah that’s illegal on rogue man

Gets nerfed asap

[waxen meteor]

Yeah we do all setup and deal 60% of the burst

[halcyon timber]

Common phrase each patch

[peak agate]

Famous read words as I alt f4

[spring bough]

this new blood onyx dagger mog is pretty cool mog w shadow flame on it

[halcyon timber]

yeah that is pretty filthy

[spring bough]

finally copped my primal dagger so had to go w that as the mog lol

[halcyon timber]

Freakin grats man

Always a good feeling to get a transmog you really dig

[halcyon timber]

dude the ping system is actually really cool. they did a good job with that.

was so easy in ffxiv to communicate that way

[languid ravine]

all you need in ff14 is "uwu" and "or else"

lets try together

Hi, uwu or else

now you

[halcyon timber]

XD yeah sounds about right

People are toxic af in the feast though

Spam emotes left and right since they disabled chat

[minor cape]

saw it yesterday too on reddit and was like what the fuck

he just went in and was like let me permanently reverse feint myself

[swift dove]

For windwalker monks... can they cast ROP while CC'd? Like during kidney/cheapshot?

[minor cape]

nope

unless i'm crazy

they can teleport tho

[wanton breach]

you might be crazy but they still can't cast it while in cc

[minor cape]

[obsidian moon]

No

Only mw

[minor cape]

right, didn't read the windwalker part lol

[twin burrow]

some of us are diagnosed as crazy please dont be insenseitive

[wary spire]

Some of us are diagnosed as insensitive, please don't be crazy.

[sick wasp]

nope,u can also vanish-garrote to secure that

iirc 😄

@chrome schooner big 3s RLP the new tech?

watched the vid and im down crazy for some RLP-RLS

[uneven grove]

they can't

[chrome schooner]

I like the comp, and I like the two people I am playing it with, so it's nice!

[uneven grove]

only MW can teleport while in a stun, if the pvp talent is picked

[minor cape]

corrected myself there already 🫡

[uneven grove]

yeah i just read in date order 😄

[shadow creek]

The more I look at it, the more I think Count the Odds and Dreadblades should switch places in the tree

[jolly sierra]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/high-definition-quelserrar-and-other-noteworthly-cosmetic-weapon-models-in-patch-334969

they updated quel'serrar

i wonder if it wont be class restricted

[sick wasp]

completely falling in love with assass

has everything

that cow btw,had his own cds,had the monks,had the war peels,still died

close one

dont think ild ever come close on scoring a kill

8 of 10 games ild go for war tbh

and ur lock is a god 👌

[chrome schooner]

The lock is a really amazing Affli one, for sure

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw/Enhance pretty nice

[wanton breach]

holy fuck, low rated rogues suck so hard

[wary spire]

Say sike

[languid ravine]

dont say that I had a 1k cr Sub rogue in skirmishes once who did some crazy stuff

like he managed to land a 20k Secret tech and I m like what the fuck how do you do that

[twin burrow]

ah, ye ole 1 combo point no find weakness no mastery build blue weapon sec tec.. true perfection

[jolly sierra]

we had a guy here once hardstuck at 1k

sadly didnt continued

[stoic spruce]

Me

[quaint cedar]

I was hard stuck 1.2k my first season

Was my first time doing arena + first time playing rogue

I was so bad lmao

I did manage to grind 2.1k though, just took a few months and hundreds of games

Now I keep getting better but the game gets more and more deflated so I'm just a forever duelist I guess (unless you count shuffle)

[jolly sierra]

ofc

people can improve

in my early days when i used to heal i never used cyclone as a druid

lol

[wanton breach]

is hyper not here anymore? did he quit?

[jolly sierra]

try to tag him

[wanton breach]

apparently you don't need to do that currently, so maybe you were ahead of your time. I remember healing as druid being impossible, you needed to prevent damage by cycloning

[jolly sierra]

dunno

i was just slapping my head there back in the day

[wanton breach]

did he get banned? can't see him

[jolly sierra]

nah he just left

[wanton breach]

his dedication was admirable

[jolly sierra]

yeah

sadly seems like he was stuck like pelagos

nothing to do if he left

he will be remembered, no doubts

[quaint cedar]

Oh yeah, I remember him

Shame he left

[jolly sierra]

yeah :l

[peak agate]

Damn, the weekly quest is solo shuffle

[twin burrow]

Anyone using pings in arena

[waxen meteor]

Do it do it!

The queue today is actually quite fast

[idle root]

damn i love playing against demo warlocks, i love having 50 units cluttering my screen!

[waxen meteor]

You must have a 4090 space ship

[idle root]

[peak agate]

No sir, I don't need conquest on my main/main alt. It's my alts and I rather not do anything than spend time waiting for Solo Shuffle queues to pop. I'll just ask my 2s partner if he wants to destroy rating on one of his characters lulz

[peak agate]

kek

[halcyon timber]

Daelin Proudmoore loading his pistol : “SEIZE THEM ALL”

[halcyon timber]

New build hit today boys? I just got home

[stoic spruce]

No but rogue was talk about a little

[jolly sierra]

RSK

[sour charm]

We got a blue post about some concerns, but no new build yet @halcyon timber

[peak agate]

thought ptr/beta builds are updated weds

[halcyon timber]

Right on man . Yeah saw the post and our main man Realz is on fire. If every dev was like him jimminy cricket

[halcyon timber]

Changes sometimes. In SL they rolled out multi times a week sometimes on beta

[halcyon timber]

Yeah glad things are being adjusted early and often.

[peak agate]

goes to WoW Rogue's forum to read comments Oh I see,

[jolly sierra]

wild af

flaming here is mild comprared to that

[halcyon timber]

Yep

Care to expand on the SBS changes?

Concerning the sudden demise talent

[jolly sierra]

it triggered sudded demise

for a bad interaction

the duration was unlimited

so the damage was close to a very big amount

[peak agate]

its a good change that make sense. Since as explained could be read as unlimited damage until something dies or is out of combat.

[halcyon timber]

Gotcha so is it still cool to you guys?

I guess it works like priests catharsis in a way?

Stores up x and then triggers more or less?

[peak agate]

its fine. The dot damage of SBS isn't that high to begain with

[halcyon timber]

Oh ok so its just a little extra something somethin now

Any other noticeable changes you guys spotted for you assassins? Or things you hope to see etc?

[peak agate]

Talking in PVP scaling, if they don't want to make Envenom do big numbers or big spikey bleed damage. I would like to keep our pressure consistent. So pvp buffs to Mut. Maybe a pvp talent that lets us use feint in a stun.

Sort of like what they did with Arm warriors where they nerfed CDs but gave them damage in other ablities.

[halcyon timber]

Makes sense to me

[jolly sierra]

only way to check that is with next build

[halcyon timber]

Right on panda primo

[wary spire]

What will you give up for it?

Smoke?

[peak agate]

hemotoxin prob

[wary spire]

Ain't no way.

[peak agate]

dont run wound with dtb?

[jolly sierra]

DTB is hard nerfed

[peak agate]

its not THAT bad on ptr

[jolly sierra]

are u sure 24% proc rate isn't that bad?

[peak agate]

Seem fine. You're still attacking a lot but the question to me was what am I giving up for theoretical talent that doesn't exist.

and honestly, it depends on who you're playing with.

[jolly sierra]

i don't understand ur question

[peak agate]

I didn't ask a question, chef asked me a question.

[tight eagle]

No one really makes PvP videos anymore like they used to huh? Slap some 'Remember the Name' on there and we're golden

[peak agate]

I remember those pre WOTLK world pvp videos.

[tight eagle]

yeah those were the days lol

I'm a returning player looking for PvP videos and it's all commentary and jokes 🤢

[peak agate]

Now everything is "SOLO SHUFFLE highlights lulz"

[tight eagle]

lol yeahhhh

[jolly sierra]

ngl always found that vids kind of cringe

[tight eagle]

with the songs? Oh yeah, but everything on the internet was pretty cringe in that time

[peak agate]

yeah that shit was cool 15 years ago

now im old and bitter

[tight eagle]

Im just bitter. You're telling me there is a cost of living? 🤦

[peak agate]

the cost is living

[tight eagle]

Tell that to my apartment complex :p

[peak agate]

I live in a condo. I don't want to even give them my monthly hoas.

I already paid for the apartment, leave me alone.

[tight eagle]

lol

Yeah I feel that

[jolly sierra]

no, everything

sometimes were way edgy

[tight eagle]

just all pvp videos you thought were cringe? lol

[halcyon timber]

I love metal, im going to play metal no matter what in vids

Peoples editing was just weird back then , its not like they had 3d programs or knowledge to actually make a vid though heh

[peak agate]

I think some of those old vanilla rogues who made videos are making classic wow vids

[halcyon timber]

Probably

[peak agate]

I admire their dedication.

[halcyon timber]

I dig that things change over time with our stuff and I’m highly appreciative that realz heard us out and agrees that taking lessons from the past and combining it into something new instead of discarding it is the approach

That was a very mature and cool thing of him to do

Lots of customization and abilities aren’t left out because of people’s personal agendas

[jolly sierra]

ye, but im nobody

OH TUNING TIME IN PTR

[wary spire]

Well i guess better now than first week of release.

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[wary spire]

Well, cut to the chase it is.

[chrome schooner]

They also released PvP changes in addition to that

[marble oasis]

to be fair sudden demise is still good

[chrome schooner]

ROGUE
Superior Mixture is now 50% effective in PvP combat.
Sudden Demise now has a health threshold of 10% (base 35%) and bleed damage requirement of 250% of remaining health (base 200%) in PvP combat.

[jolly sierra]

ahh u went ahead

[chrome schooner]

So we won't be having the best slow in the game after all

[marble oasis]

i will say superior mixtures makes zero fkin sense

[chrome schooner]

DKs get to keep it

[marble oasis]

it's literally a talent people would only take for pvp without trolling but it's nerfed in pvp huh

[jolly sierra]

i didn't picked it anyways

in day 1

[peak agate]

hahah i knew it

[jolly sierra]

well, this will be a long road in PTR for rogues

[languid ravine]

why delete elaborate planning for the heck of it?

[marble oasis]

but 10% is still a lot of damage to take as automatic

[peak agate]

CAUSE WE GONNA USE SND BABEH

AND WE GONNA ENJOY IT

[marble oasis]

pve change. will just mean damage is buffed elsewhere

it was basically a flat aura buff for pve so made no sense even having it

[wary spire]

If we're not having snd removed i'd rather have cttc than a 3.6% bonus that does nothing interesting and can be adjusted elsewhere.

[marble oasis]

exactly

that's part of the reason for the 'rework' to get rid of dumb stuff like that

[peak agate]

this is less of a "rework" and more of a remix

[languid ravine]

its not dumb shit though it is an incentive to stay in combat etc

[wary spire]

It seems like they responded with "fuck you guys, your 'criticism' was shit, get nerfbatted".

[marble oasis]

also that sudden demise is still fairly good for us.
If we're thinking people will have around 700-800k HP
Having a pop for 80k is pretty nice. still makes holding DM or exsang strrong

[halcyon timber]

PvP iS a mInIgAimE nO 1 cAReS

[jolly sierra]

sudden is stil nice

[peak agate]

if you read the forum post, you would agree.

[halcyon timber]

Oh for sure

[peak agate]

10% is 10%

same as tod

fair

[jolly sierra]

think we gonna use evasion a lot w casters if we have elusiveness talented

if dmg is reduced now in a +20%

[halcyon timber]

Blizzard starts typing : Rogues…

Other classes : WHAT THE FISH BLIZZARD??!?!

[stoic spruce]

That's tame

[wary spire]

Hopefully they'll unnerf feint as well.

[jolly sierra]

XD

[languid ravine]

Wait guys, you telling me 10.2 my main Defensive will actually reduce the damage I take?

[halcyon timber]

Like i get it but still sucks

[languid ravine]

whats next ? hunter is gonna get a main defensive too?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah for sure

[uneven grove]

what is superior mixture tho?

[marble oasis]

you feeling ok? been hit on thehead xD can't be right ;p

[halcyon timber]

Increased crippling by 10%

Its 5 now

[uneven grove]

i think these nerfs were needed, but where is our mind numbing posion replacement

and deadly posion point freed up

totally irrelevant points

[peak agate]

mind numbing was too stronk

[stoic spruce]

No nerfs are needed. Cuck mindset. Rogue number 1 or bust.

[halcyon timber]

They aren’t going to do that man

[marble oasis]

the 5% is still strong but the whole talent seems kind of dumb being 10% to begin with if it's nerfed in pvp

[halcyon timber]

Yeah nerfs are expected

[uneven grove]

ahh i see, we probably still take the plus 5%, one of the strongest slows in the game

[halcyon timber]

Not a big deal

[uneven grove]

and automatic

[halcyon timber]

If stuff is ridiculous yeah by all means tune it , I heavily encourage a solid field

[marble oasis]

i wish there was a button on the talent trees which toggled the tooltips from pve to pvp

[halcyon timber]

Same time don’t buff warlocks in lieu of rogue nerfs

They tend to do that time to time

[peak agate]

the thought of that is hilarious.

"Hey we just nerfed rogues, you know what that means"

[halcyon timber]

Moonkin and warlock buffs to celebrate rogue nerfs breaking news

[peak agate]

buff unstable affliction 30%

[halcyon timber]

+15 % to astral assblast beam for no reason hell make it 20% kevin

xD

[peak agate]

which when rogue is targeted the casters will recieve a buff called "rogue hatred" will increase all damage by 45% for 15 seconds..

[jolly sierra]

we can live without that crippling talent

as we do since long time ago

[halcyon timber]

Yeah we adapt either way

[peak agate]

As mentioned crippling is one of the best snares

[halcyon timber]

Mage says bonjour

[jolly sierra]

crippling is a very strong snare when u use it alongside shiv

but dk earns the S tier snare

overall

[peak agate]

passive roots for the win

you dont want them to free cast on you either

[jolly sierra]

DFA

they made TBC glad mounts outdated

[spring bough]

never using it anyways def not using it now LOL

[spring bough]

outlaw making out like a bandit LMAO

[wary spire]

I mean if you hate ST sub got a buff.

[jolly sierra]

thought MFD nerf was big for outlaw

[halcyon timber]

XD , dk master of f your mobility

Definitely respect them, can’t ignore casters at all or hybrids for that matter.

[peak agate]

just played double frost mage in a eningma

bruh

[halcyon timber]

Bet that was great lol

Like kicking a wall with toothpicks under your toenails

[loud sable]

if you are in US server please respond to who posting "nerf rogue its too strong " at PTR/ feedback:rogue

[halcyon timber]

What nonsense are they spreading now?

We are already being tuned, they have nothing to gripe about

[loud sable]

shadowblades+cheapshot pvp

[halcyon timber]

Pretty sure our dev > all their devs combined

[stoic spruce]

I agree

[peak agate]

you shadow step but then they altertime back

[stoic spruce]

And on the opposite side of that spectrum is you shadowstep as he casts alter time

Either big pp or little pp

[halcyon timber]

Who gives a wet fart, they can suck on paint

[stoic spruce]

No in-between

[peak agate]

get too close, get passive rooted

[loud sable]

playing against mage is real cancer.

[halcyon timber]

Yep mage pp blink again

Like i truly don’t care what other classes get as long as we have tools to fight back appropriately

[loud sable]

i just wish we have pvp talent for shadowstep . torghast ability would be amazing

[halcyon timber]

“Nerf rogue” is tired af

Oh super step from old days?

That’s literally what that is

And dh has it and they gripe about it

[loud sable]

ppl are just pure rogue haters. they would delete rogue class if they could

[halcyon timber]

Dh are rogues that sold out

Keep your heads cool my brothers, the age of blades is upon us

[loud sable]

its very bad to know we will live with "slice and dice" forever

but with new stuff i believe we will shine again

without sectec abomination

[languid ravine]

dude I love slice and dice so much

but why stop there

why not have a button that boosts your crit for 30 seconds

and another one that boosts your max hp for 30 seconds

and another one that boosts your mastery for 12 seconds and gives you some energy

[halcyon timber]

Slice is important any rogue worth their salt knows thar

That

[languid ravine]

and another one and another one and another one and another one and another one and another one and another one and another one and another one and another one and another one and another one and another one and another one and another one and another one and another one

[halcyon timber]

Energy regen is trash without it

Easy to maintain as well 1 per minute if that at all

[loud sable]

i prefer seal fate triggers shadow techniques not auto attacks

[halcyon timber]

Sf can shove it

[loud sable]

in pvp we really need SnD ?

[halcyon timber]

St is much better now

Don’t take premeditation or ever press snd and find out

See how terrible regen is

[loud sable]

now i think it will be not problem with goremaw and shadow blades

[halcyon timber]

You’re relying on cds as the main hero . Tools are made to be supplementary.

[languid ravine]

this is gonna bloe your mind

[halcyon timber]

Elusiveness evasion buff is nice

[languid ravine]

remove snd + fix energy regen

whooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttt??????????? you can do that??

[halcyon timber]

Realz already said no

So

Causes more problems and im not the engineer so i tske his word for it

[languid ravine]

not sure reducing complexity causes more problems but okay

[halcyon timber]

Nothing complex about snd

[languid ravine]

still more complex than not having snd

[halcyon timber]

And lots of stuff refreshes it already

[languid ravine]

you can cut those too

even less complexity

[halcyon timber]

K man

[languid ravine]

what the fuck mate

[halcyon timber]

I dunno what to say so alrighty

Love you still though

[stoic spruce]

Dawww

[halcyon timber]

Main man said no so we deal with it

[stoic spruce]

But yeah SnD can suck my nards

[halcyon timber]

It is what it is

[languid ravine]

Dawww if you love me then its fine

[halcyon timber]

Yep love you bro

Love all you jokers

[languid ravine]

now that you love me we can leave SnD in the game just because of that

[loud sable]

i would love slice and dice if it gives %x more damage if we hit from behind 😄

[halcyon timber]

Pvers would rage

Not allowed bro

Been fighting for a fat backstab bonus to be back but thats out of the cards

[loud sable]

they are claimed ptr sub area

[halcyon timber]

Yeah we have our little corner

And gotta unite more often

[languid ravine]

yeah I m sure pvers love pressing a button that does nothing and gives no feedback has basically no animation or flavour or fantasy or interactivity every 45 seconds just so they dont deal 10% less dps

[halcyon timber]

It’s whatever man

[languid ravine]

yeah whatever man just keep printing those bombs and rockets man always been this way

[halcyon timber]

Pretty much man

[languid ravine]

yeah man

[stoic spruce]

Yeah man

[halcyon timber]

XD

[stoic spruce]

It's been this way forver

Let's not change it now

[languid ravine]

this is the way

[halcyon timber]

What else changed in these notes?

[languid ravine]

dude my grandma has been pressing SnD way back in the 60s

[halcyon timber]

Scrolling through seeing tier set stuff yadda yadda

XD

[stoic spruce]

Nothing EVER needs to evolve so help me GOD if rogue ever evolves I burn a bridge.

[languid ravine]

we cant just stop pressing SnD now

like what are we gonna do with all those combo points and action buttons

I cant think of a single thing

[loud sable]

sectech is garbo now

[halcyon timber]

Good

[peak agate]

played frost mage/frost dfk

hilarious

[loud sable]

and cold blood+ goremaw can be good

[stoic spruce]

God if only we had a button that used said combo points to do damage. That would be soooo amazing.

[halcyon timber]

We don’t have full gear anyways

[languid ravine]

yeah man, Nerf SecTec so hard until it drops below SnD in priority

[halcyon timber]

Unless they put it in today

[jolly sierra]

tf am i reading now

[stoic spruce]

SnD slander

[loud sable]

but i guess we need to ask for buff evis after sectech nerf 😄

[halcyon timber]

How did it roll? On ptr or on live?

[halcyon timber]

Evisc all day

[loud sable]

i hated sectech always even i landed it perfectly and kill my enemy

[exotic dove]

Even with the nerfs Assa is still going to be better than now. I like Rupture applying Internal bleeding on ptr right now. If Sec Tec is no longer the move for Sub I wont cry about it I was never a fan of it.

[loud sable]

even cold blood+ echoing with damage buff was better for me

[halcyon timber]

F relying in a single ability anyway

Just hijacks the kit

Regardless of the ability

[loud sable]

sin had a lot of nerfs

[halcyon timber]

Reading the notes , what’s the tdr my assassin lads?

Tldr

[loud sable]

but i ve seen one guy told palumor he can hit 400 k with mutilate

[exotic dove]

Assa is still going to be better than it is now on live next patch even with nerfs

[halcyon timber]

Good

[exotic dove]

well for now

[halcyon timber]

Don’t eff them up

Rogues need to do rogue shit

[stoic spruce]

Dead

Start panicking

[exotic dove]

LOL

[halcyon timber]

Panek

[stoic spruce]

Reeeeeeee

[halcyon timber]

Reeee

Xd

[marble oasis]

Assa is super strong giga energy pool mutilate actually does damage and an insta gimp at 10% hp lol

[halcyon timber]

Good

Because harry potter classes need to get rinsed

[exotic dove]

The execute is nice but I was more refering to everything else but that. On PTR Assa was extremely strong IMO these nerfs while they look big I wouldn't worry about them the nerfed version is still way strong than live right now.

[peak agate]

this live, it went fine.

[marble oasis]

Exsang is likely to be super strong again.
Slap up bleeds exsang and just run and it’s doing giga damage using your energy while you run.

[halcyon timber]

Hows our fellow scoundrel outlaws feeling today boys?

Anyone test and got feedback ?

[exotic dove]

I like the passive exsang more than the active one

[peak agate]

Sin should be better because we have more options for bigger cds

[halcyon timber]

Good deal, find any new cool interactions or forsee anything that is likely to get looked at bro?

[marble oasis]

I personally can see the passive one staying. As it leads to a different playstyle in pve as well. While the active one is silly string in pvp and basically makes you burn 400+ energy in 4 secons in pve aoe

[halcyon timber]

Right on , choices should be left up to the rogue

[marble oasis]

I’d like them both to stay. But i honestly doubt it 😦

[spring bough]

love when the pvp quests align for skirmish and solo rounds

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw is feeling RAHHHH

[spring bough]

outlaw feeling rahhhhhh on live too

[halcyon timber]

That a core reference? 😮

[loud sable]

hate RatedBG quests

[stoic spruce]

Nah outlaw just rah. Ptr outlaw is RAHHHHH

[halcyon timber]

Oh right on heh

[spring bough]

idk im loving these fang embelish weps rn

[halcyon timber]

Yeh boy keep our outlaws strong

[spring bough]

they are slappy

[halcyon timber]

So crippling even w redux on muxture is 65%

Shiv up makes that 100 or close to it? Anyone test it?

[exotic dove]

Yeah I am thinking the same thing too which is why I hope the passive one is chosen. Don't really like pressing the new active on at all

[halcyon timber]

Mp+ sm

[spring bough]

disappointing when u and another dps instantly delete in skrim and they dont join your que /cry

[exotic dove]

They probably trying to get their one daily win in for hte day or they finished their weekly

[spring bough]

i forgot to buy something for honor so i got none from that RIP lol

[peak agate]

since i have enough conquest what stats are outlaw using for mainhand

[spring bough]

unbuffed pvp ilvl im at 23 crit, 1 haste, 31 vers, 46 mast

using vers mastery weps lol

[halcyon timber]

Big ppslam

[peak agate]

verse mastery it is

[spring bough]

MG does like 15% of my dmg constantly

fang embelish doing like 8-10 depending on procs

[halcyon timber]

Jeeeze

Oh tech just got the double dipping fixed that’s all . That was already stated/ known and expected to be fixed

[spring bough]

MG 13 hits 200k dmg its a GG lol

[jolly sierra]

need to see the next tree revamp

[waxen meteor]

Wow we got nerfed alrady?

[loud sable]

yep

[halcyon timber]

Bugs fixed

And tuning happened yeh expected

Need to purge these hunters outta the rogue forums as well

Reminds me of the shadowpriest hijackers in SL

[sour charm]

mending bandages your post

[halcyon timber]

XD

[spring bough]

are they ever gonna fix solo que dropping if u miss a skirmish

20 minutes into que missed a skirm and GG lol

[loud sable]

i want to thank who answered that hunter really

i flagged hunters post as troll 😄

[halcyon timber]

Hes a known saboteur on arena forums

Just gets diarrhea hands and types

[loud sable]

there is on Eu forum too. he posted palumors video as " evidence" and told to me " dont worry they will ignore if its not true" when i told him its not adjustment its a nerf you want

[spring bough]

3v3 skirm. we won and i DCed mid fight and got back on somehow stayed alive lol

[loud sable]

as a sub rogue i hate play against outlaw

[halcyon timber]

Don’t sweat em, he will be rapid firing people down anyway

[loud sable]

nobrain class players doing that always

[spring bough]

lmaoooo

i love it lol

[jolly sierra]

today got deleted by a MM hunt

the fucker triggered my cheat death insta

and died 1m larer

[loud sable]

and only we get nerfs 😄

i think they hate rogue because they dont know how hard to play or they hate because they cant play

[wary spire]

Antirogue illuminati is out to get ya!

[peak agate]

i get all these casters in these big maps

[waxen meteor]

Yeah quite explosive dmg

[jolly sierra]

why tf rapid fire was buffed

[peak agate]

cause fuck rogues and mages

[waxen meteor]

The main dmg is not only rapid fire

[jolly sierra]

heh very funny hunt mains

explosive shot

ye

[waxen meteor]

Although we notice the rapid fire as receiver of the dmg

I didn’t really understand how marksman kills people in 2 globals until I played one

[peak agate]

Yeah I thought sniper shot was a meme until I used it

[waxen meteor]

Its 3 skills basically all take effect together, 2 skills dmg in delay together with aimed shot then you receive 3 dmg + a rapid fire

I don’t really use sniper, I don’t feel it has a spot as pvp talent

[loud sable]

they using snipeshot as opener

[peak agate]

Its not the best for rank play but boy does that shit do damage

[waxen meteor]

And after rapid fire, Mm still has execution shot and two 75% buffed dmg arcane shot

You vaguely pre use def cd or die

[peak agate]

Then you get your additional 10 yards of range

[loud sable]

and they are crying about "we are only good in bgs"

[waxen meteor]

Aimed shot is already nuclear in most cases

I thought we sub rogue got huge burst

Then now when I play marksman alt and see someone at 60% not close to pillar, I see him dead

Most ret in this case die without bubble …

[loud sable]

we need ramp up for that burst

.... danse macabre

[jolly sierra]

sniper shot is disgustingly good as opener

also, if u are not targeted u can just use that shit and delete ppl

[wary spire]

Sounds pretty fun ngl

[peak agate]

Survival hunter also slaps

[waxen meteor]

Too long casting time

Aimed shot better

Aimed shot does 40% more dmg against target with 80%+ hp

[jolly sierra]

u can use it in camo

XD

[loud sable]

at least sv needs brain

[peak agate]

I have killed mages in the first 30 seconds with sniper shot, rapid fire and kill shot. Shit is stupid but not sure how you balance that shitty rotation

[peak agate]

I don't find it any harder, most of their shit is range and they get a cd to make their main attack...range

They also have a disarm

And of course can't forget bandaid

[waxen meteor]

Assassin rogue killer

[peak agate]

Yeah I hate fighting those fuckers

[waxen meteor]

Un dps us

[halcyon timber]

Nah man that’s balanced, hunter needs buffs and should heal for 5 million

[waxen meteor]

Especially those good survival hunters also bandaid others 247

[halcyon timber]

Yeah survival is strong

[waxen meteor]

That skill needs to have 1 min cd

[peak agate]

Let them cast through aspect of the turtle for ultimate balance

[halcyon timber]

That’s reasonable bro, come on now

[waxen meteor]

And can be kicked

[halcyon timber]

MaGE caN w ThEir nEw icEbLock

WHy cAnT i ?

[waxen meteor]

Marksman even uses aoe skill at opener, I didn’t know any of these shit before playing one and read the super good guide

[peak agate]

Make aim shot interruptable ...and that should would make them tolerable

I don't got shadow dance for me to spam cheap shit on them

I mean I can but...why

[halcyon timber]

Give hunters precog

[waxen meteor]

I do interrupt aim shot with gauge

[halcyon timber]

Saw a hunter ask for a shadow dance mechanic