pvp

[peak agate]

It's the path of least resistance people enjoy. That's why Havoc and Fury are popular.

[halcyon timber]

Yeah mace to the face style

W key hero classes

[peak agate]

Shit it's the reason why I enjoy OG assassination. I was mostly spamming mutilate back in the day

Garrote was just a stealth opener

Maintain slice and dice and chuck in a rupture here and there

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i like pressing buttons too instead of waiting around for gimmicks

Ptr is definitely a 180 and its nice

[peak agate]

Yeah you main sub I take it? How are you liking it

[halcyon timber]

Yes sir

I love it

Can be as complex or as straight forward as you want

Lots of diversity in talents

All 3 rogues just press abilities on ptr and its nice

Tuning started according to higher btw

Ns nerfed to 10% , ks is getting a slight reduction, assassin execute is getting looked at

Expected though

But yeah im a Subtlety rogue but i like looking out for all rogues. Don’t agree with random dart board “whos strong” this patch philosophy

[peak agate]

Well, I figured. Especially the execute. I also don't like where it's at on the tree. It seems to be built for AOE situations in pve.

[peak agate]

Man, I just want the class to be fun.

[halcyon timber]

Yeah just as a whole

Rogues stick together

Lol pve channel is using gouge to proc pvp boots on bosses. Great honest testing boys to get us nerfed

[peak agate]

Yeah well it's ultimately a pve focus game. The nerds are going to min max everything. I'm just having fun doing weird builds and stacking stats most wouldn't try.

[halcyon timber]

Agreed

Same time using dumb stuff like heirloom weapon jsut ti get sinful revelation is silly

LOL some dude said the paladin set looks like the burger king

[languid ravine]

Easiest E-girlvoker spec to improvise a quick 1800 for the set?

[halcyon timber]

No idea man , i only speak rogue

From what i hear from friends though. Augmentor is solid if people are actually using your buffs and they can do 90k upheavels and crap constantly

I heard devastation kids are having an ok time but struggle into warrior / dk a lot

[languid ravine]

so go heal then? gotcha

[halcyon timber]

No idea

Magic 8 ball says maybe

Even preservation can slam though

You guys fought any mana tea boozers yet?

[languid ravine]

okay thanks

[peak agate]

Playing devastation is rough but sometimes you might one shot someone.

[halcyon timber]

A little “oopsie bbq”

[jolly sierra]

hpal

[languid ravine]

I would be very surprised if I manage to get the Evoker Rival set as Hpal

[stoic spruce]

this still happens no?

it works on healers

[jolly sierra]

oh im a dumbass

u asked for evoker xmog

augvoker is the easiest tho

cuz u are literal sabotaging enemy team when they are not w u

anyways cya

[uneven grove]

its placement is fine, you can take 4 end node out of 5 if you skip the +2 posion end node

[halcyon timber]

"technically" - removing a weapon regardless of type or association (caster / melee / support) "should" affect abilities via DR . If confirmed it still works that way, it also wouldn't "snapshot" (ie cast goes off while dismantled but they regained their weapon mid flight of the harry potter spell).

• no enchant procs (removed weapon)
• lowers armor (known that it does)
• Abilities should do less during those 5s (damage reduction but not sure if calculated differently with interactions ex: judgement debuff on a target already +/- versatility + personal DR through feint blah blah blah) but to what extent as that is a large sum of stats removed for 5 sec .. no idea
• Same condition can apply to other things such as Die by the sword from warriors / frenzied from fury --> disables those abilities if you step + dismantle
• Now, since SOTR from paladin's requires a shield and Denounce shares that affect, they would indeed be locked out of using that

This is assuming it does still work.. only way to absolutely know is to test on the DR portion of it.

also: Removing Fel guard's WWE Nitro Axe does NOT prevent them from Axe tossing you akin to stormbolt from warrior as they do not require a weapon.

[peak agate]

Let me rephrase, I personally dont like that it's there. I think all the AOE stuff should be together and Deadly Poison should be baseline.

[uneven grove]

i get what you say, but unless your desired nodes are gated behind totally useless shit (like improved wound gated behind mind numbing), i don't mind some variety in the tree, if it would straight forward there would be just one way you pick your stuff and that's it

also yeah deadly posion is a dead point now, shouldn't be there, cus it's basically useless if you don't play 4 posion

i don't think it is worth dropping wound for deadly in pvp at all

[peak agate]

Overall, I'm fine with it. I don't design the game I just play it. I think the talent is going to be gutted for pvp anyways. But It'll be fun for the ole transmog run.

[halcyon timber]

Yeah they do that on purpose so people cannot "get everything" which is the point of it. (it's a smart move honestly)

• Same reasoning can be applied to "making everything baseline". It's not fun but also probably deflects some unecessary nerfs via CD stacking --> now you do trash damage because access to a lot of strong cds exists --> core kit sucks as a result. (they have been moving away from that slowly).

[peak agate]

As of right now, I'm fine with the tree. I like the new [Exsanguinate], the new Vicious Venoms and the extra freedom. I don't like dashing scoundrel but I appreciate the buff to it. I also would like poison bomb to be an active ability to be something like the rogue traps in Diablo. But I might be the only person here who wants another active ablitiy. lol

Also playing the ptr right now and this patch seems pretty far along with the zone and what not

[halcyon timber]

yeah it really is far along, they have been busting butt on it. Judging from the amount of communication on the forums too, this patch might be here pretty dang soon.

The raid dragonriding fight looks really cool too and they will prob have alotttta stuff to work on that and lots of testers to make sure that thing goes smooth.

[peak agate]

Im in the new zone currently, just me and maybe like 4 other people..

mostly nightelfs

[halcyon timber]

that's cool , i really want to explore there but busy w other stuff and don't want to spoil it xD.

yeah glad to see the kaldorei are getting a big part in this story coming up. good on them man.

[peak agate]

all the cutscenes are disable and I dont read most of the text anyway so i have no idea whats going on

[halcyon timber]

oh that's solid, they are hiding stuff again

very smart

[peak agate]

and everything works so, kudos to them.

[halcyon timber]

that's sick, yeah they have a lot more people now since getting all those people in and their adaptation time seems to be complete

[nova viper]

@jolly sierra sexooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[light estuary]

When's the new season starting?

[lofty panther]

who's ready for the solo rbg haymaker meta

[nova viper]

what is this?

[exotic dove]

Speaking of RBGs I am now a Teamfight Assa Rogue since they saw I can do big dam with it in that one temple running IC Tempest etc and a base sitter as sub if needed. No one asks me to try and get bases anymore they have a someone else do it

[lofty panther]

Kul Tiran racial

insanely clutch on ab/eots/that one ctf map with the two castles by horde GY

decent on the mine map too if you go top

[teal silo]

Same condition can apply to other things such as Die by the sword from warriors / frenzied from fury --> disables those abilities if you step + dismantle

oh lol

[halcyon timber]

Yes sir, Same with fist of fury, can dismantle that too. I think whirling dragon punch also requires a weapon unless they changed that.

[teal silo]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-ok-coolstorybro-gif-20977126

thats good for FoF

[minor cape]

wait so

disarming a mage wasn't a meme all this time

😩

[halcyon timber]

Apply Aura: Mod % Damage Taken (Arcane, Fire, Frost, Holy, Nature, Physical, Shadow)
PVP Multiplier: 1. (Aura 2 coded when dismantling enemies.

Doesn’t affect dots but it does for other direct magic (ex chaos bolt)

[minor cape]

-WHY DISARM MAGE!!!!
-TO REDUCE 0.02% DAMAGE OH MY GOD

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOO

[nova viper]

u know

this is amazing

[minor cape]

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP IM DISABLING HIS WEAPON SHUT UP SHUT UP

[jolly sierra]

REEEEEEEEEEE

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHHHHGG

[jolly sierra]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/feedback-rogues-1666450

devs are talking in US forums

XD

[surreal barn]

@spring bough

https://youtu.be/yIJjGTY5Inc?feature=shared

This was posted in the mage discord lol

That is insane

Even khadgar would be jealous

[jolly sierra]

azshara should be proud

[marble oasis]

nooooo people already testing out sudden demise

You're meant to be sand bagging people!

[twin burrow]

[wary spire]

Shit.

Us bros pls whine about assa's survivability!

I did my part on eu.

[jolly sierra]

crap cant write in forums

tried but it said i need a lvl 10 char lol

what if we play starter in US and dump then into lvl 10?

should be fast, right?

[twin burrow]

i dont know if i prefer any rogue spec over the others, atm all 3 look insane. so at least one will be A tier

🙏

[jolly sierra]

with feedback should be solid A

but we need to strike there too ffs

[twin burrow]

i like the assa changes, but i feel like assa is so easy to counter.. unless it does broken damage again and remains un touched

[vocal surge]

meanwhile I still cant talk in the forums xD

[jolly sierra]

what have u done lol

[vocal surge]

Nothing

[jolly sierra]

EU homies we are invading US forums

lets level to 10 and make our voices being heard

[twin burrow]

im gonna tell my uncle who works at blizzard eu

[jolly sierra]

tell him to come to forums in EU lol

[languid ravine]

Oh, man I ve played my Survival hunter all the way up to 2k shuffle before realizing my pet can not inflict Mortal strike effect, such as raptors would

[jolly sierra]

me and the boys going to US forums:

https://tenor.com/view/embarcacion-inglesa-gif-21966437

[languid ravine]

the Queen is dead long live the new Queen Richard Charles

[jolly sierra]

queen richard has the best teeth

[past crown]

is there still no fix from blizzard why somebody.. me inlcudet dont see any nameplates?

[jolly sierra]

*charles

[languid ravine]

oh is that why I dont see de/buffs on some character

[twin burrow]

dude dont talka bout my king like that

[jolly sierra]

thought u were from minnesota

[twin burrow]

lol born and raised in DN wbu?

|| deez nutz ||

[jolly sierra]

good way to troll a scammer if u ask him about being able to accept ur currency

[languid ravine]

just send him canadian dollars, scam the scammer

[spring bough]

Couple more mythics today and I’m gonna make these primal fang embellished weps and let them rip for pvp

See what this hype about

[jolly sierra]

argentinian peso

[spring bough]

Any outlaw in here tested the fangs yet?

[vocal surge]

Nope

you on rn?

[jolly sierra]

u can test them in ptr

just learn BS and buy the items to insta raise skill to max alongside knowledge

[vocal surge]

Tru

[spring bough]

about to get on live to do some keys for the fangs lol

[jolly sierra]

i have a dagger w that rn

[spring bough]

see a whole bunch of outlaws on murloc w sword/dagger of it

saw some video some guy was pumping it up but never showed how well it did lol

[jolly sierra]

but im doubting a lot for next season cuz maybe can get a versa/mastery one if blizz doesnt forget it in malicia

[jolly sierra]

yeah i dont see too much there cuz the weapons are walled by PvE

as u need to do +16 to get them

[spring bough]

its all passive tho just like MG. imagining if it does MG levels type of damage it would be pretty nice lol

[jolly sierra]

for me at least do like 230k in a SS round by itself if is short

[spring bough]

you only have one???

[jolly sierra]

but i only have one yeah

in the offhand

[spring bough]

thats wild. so two seems like it would be a good chunk of dmg and i dont even have to hit an ability lol

[jolly sierra]

yep

thinking a lot bout that

[spring bough]

yeah its getting me amped thinking about it lol

MG does my 2nd most dmg if thats in level with that omg

[jolly sierra]

nice

[quaint cedar]

I have double fang on live. It does anywhere from 6%-12% of my overall damage depending on proc rate and my uptime.

[spring bough]

so pretty dang good itll also give me master in 2 slots i dont have so id be well over 50%

[jolly sierra]

it procs from dots for assa too tho

[spring bough]

wondering if i keep flurry up if itll proc off that

hmmmmmmmm

[jolly sierra]

dunno lol

[spring bough]

running a key right now and got a BF for 87k lmao imagine that in arena that would be crazy

[jolly sierra]

XD

[twin burrow]

support evoker does more dmg then a sub rogue

lol.

160K fire breath, 130k eurption, as hard as my evis'

with me commiting everything

[jolly sierra]

augvoker is fkn obnoxious to play with

usually they are the biggest winners in SS

[quaint cedar]

They are

So are DHs too in my experience

[jolly sierra]

dhs too

fucking 2 button class

no matter about wtf a tier list says they turned into S tier for me after eye beam tuning week

[surreal barn]

Lol I had a special build I ran w augvoker

It was one dance tea with CDR

[halcyon timber]

It used to be 30% reduction back in the day, not sure what it is now (if it works still)

[halcyon timber]

Like the hunter bug on nameplates when they feign death? No joke - look down at the floor or look up in the sky when that happens with your camera and it will fix itself

[past crown]

no i dont see any nameplates..

[halcyon timber]

You try resetting cvars? Thar would be my best trouble shoot assuming all in game settings didn’t change

[past crown]

yes

[halcyon timber]

Disabled all addons to see if it is one of them goofing up?

[surreal barn]

Do I git gud at assa again or give marksman a shot 🤔

[halcyon timber]

Be a man, rogue up always!

Just messing man, do what you love

[jolly sierra]

git gud assa maybe ur MMR is good if u didnt played too much this season

[spring bough]

1/2 primal fang embelish off to get the next bout to see how this does in a skirm lol

[halcyon timber]

Rogues can no longer benefit from enchants, gems, or embellishments in 10.2 because eff you - other classes “balancing”

[spring bough]

wait is that serious lol

[wary spire]

Ree it doesn't work

[halcyon timber]

It is to other classes

In their minds they think that is how “balance” works

[wary spire]

It doesn't let me choose my Johnaniel.

[jolly sierra]

OOF

rlly?

ill try later after work

[wary spire]

Better just call realz 3 times like bettlejuice if we want assa to get more defensives.

[surreal barn]

I haven’t played a single game except sub yet lol

[jolly sierra]

what the heck

[wary spire]

Need that us sub boiii

[jolly sierra]

sounds nice

[jolly sierra]

or a mule to deliver our pleas to US

[wary spire]

@hyperglhf ayy how's it going man

[jolly sierra]

cant tag wtf

[surreal barn]

I was playing on the ptr and sub didn’t seem as fun as the current set bonus, maybe starting assa now will help

[wary spire]

Wait he skidaddled?

[jolly sierra]

he vanished

literal

[jolly sierra]

assa 4set is shit

but 2set is very decent

[surreal barn]

I will do whatever doesn’t take me out of stealth

Regardless the damage

[jolly sierra]

fine

then its done

[fallow rune]

Recommended to combine Shadow dance and Symbols of death?

[wary spire]

Not with the current tier.

[fallow rune]

Why not?

[wary spire]

With the tier it gives you symbols on SD anyway, lol.

[halcyon timber]

Yeah you split it

[fallow rune]

Ah, still leveling my rogue atm.

[halcyon timber]

3s of symbols on dance automatically

It’s whatever, 10.2 soonnnnn

F ssn 2

[spring bough]

belf to nelf the movement next patch for outlaw?

or even now? lol

[halcyon timber]

Up to you man but I’m sindorei forever

[shadow creek]

Blood elf is best elf

[fallow rune]

Shadowy duel or disarm. hrm..

For battlegrounds.

[shadow creek]

I don’t play sub much, but in rated BGs I found SD much more useful in team fight

[fallow rune]

How so?

Oh, and under which situations do you use Shiv?

[shadow creek]

Because you can use it to prevent a capper, take the main healer out of the mix at a clutch moment, or give your healer a break from being dogpiled by melee, for example

I only use shiv to dispel enrage, but ymmv, I’m sure other better players than I use it more effectively

[fallow rune]

It applies a better slow too, no?

Best weapon enchant for sub rogue?

[languid ravine]

sophic devotion x2

[halcyon timber]

Yes shiv does different effects based on off hand psn

[shadow creek]

It does have a better slow for a brief period, but if you’re taking master poisoner and/or superior mixture and not using it for enrage, I think it has diminishing value

[halcyon timber]

Agreed

It was dumb when it was a honor talent in bfa

[shadow creek]

Yeah, that was a weird time, lots of odd decisions

[halcyon timber]

Pruning for the f of it

Would rather have and not need at the moment than need and not have

You don’t fix a busted water pipe with a flamethrower

[shadow creek]

Sure, but it’s a lot more fun 🤩

[halcyon timber]

Anyone test out aoe blind on outlaw yet?

[shadow creek]

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-simpsons-laughing-season-8-11l39366q3bvmo

[halcyon timber]

Can’t remember what we asked the other day .

[spring bough]

i think its bugged right now

[halcyon timber]

Crud

[shadow creek]

Not yet, not sure if they fixed the Blackjack bug, either

[halcyon timber]

Cancel aura blade flurry to stop it breaking is what i was thinking

I think blackjack is intentionally done

[spring bough]

the one thing i hate to read is "killing spree doing way more damage than intended" RIP

[shadow creek]

Where was that?

[spring bough]

cant tell if thats a haha bug or an actual bug lol

[halcyon timber]

So oulaw can’t aoe blind blackjack

[spring bough]

that would be so fun to do in rateds lol

[shadow creek]

I’ve been out of pocket all weekend, is KSpree already getting nerfed…?

[spring bough]

aoe blackjack on all

if you go to the pins in the PTR outlaw it says KS is bugged

[shadow creek]

Ah bummer

Yeah I was really looking forward to an aoe debuff via Blackjack

Bummer if those don’t synergize

[spring bough]

gonna get on and do skirms in a bit lol

[halcyon timber]

Blackjack is sick, loved it returning from cataclysm

Back in the day it was 70% which was obviously too good as it was different pacing then

[shadow creek]

Blood Elves are so hardcore they don’t even let you fly in their city 🌆

[halcyon timber]

Dude is a dwarf af, ill pop em in the snout. Leave us sindorei alone

[jolly sierra]

yeah irl

[halcyon timber]

XD

[shadow creek]

That dude needs to dial back the steroids before someone slaps a saddle on him

[halcyon timber]

XD yeah that’s because silvermoon is actually built in the raid. Its a weird interaction they talked about a while ago and that’s why

[shadow creek]

Not just Silvermoon, the entire zone is in a raid

[halcyon timber]

Yeah he could catch a bear swimming up stream like a salmon

[spring bough]

crazy how they never updated that lol

[halcyon timber]

Eh prob “do we have time / resources and is it that important atm”

[shadow creek]

I don’t think they want to untangle all the chicken wire they used to build BC

[halcyon timber]

Yeah

Its a lot man

Prob procedurally generated (common) and saved on a cache between world and instance

Really hope mfd isn’t gone from all the pve griping

Its sick af in its current iteration

[shadow creek]

Agreed, MfD is finally a viable choice for Outlaw with the reduced CD and the damage buff

[halcyon timber]

Yeah the 15% is great

I encourage choices

[jolly sierra]

current MFD iteration makes it good af

[halcyon timber]

You hit harder w the debuff up

[jolly sierra]

w the dmg buff

[halcyon timber]

And you do like 7k less w/o it

Not a big deal

Compared to 7 cb pts

Biggest hits came from active mfd vs 7 pts

[shadow creek]

MfD + GS is a really nice setup for burst

[halcyon timber]

Who gives a fish

Yeah ken that shit is sick

Glad to see outlaw can space jam people again

I can’t find the note on KS bug

But it was something double dipping i think

Was w blade flurry or something

[shadow creek]

Hmmm, will have to wait and see what it looks like in the next iteration

[halcyon timber]

Yeah new build this week

I hope realz knows he’s appreciated man. Dude is on fire with it all.

[shadow creek]

Yeah he’s done a solid job

[halcyon timber]

Gotta be hard to do all this stuff

He has been up super late even on the weekends talking to us all

[shadow creek]

I would really like to see Smoke Bomb baseline, but that’s probably a lost cause

[halcyon timber]

That dude is dedicated as frick. He really cares about the class.

Yeah we have been requesting that a lot

Same time, if it were a “capstone” in the class tree there would be a lot of infighting about it

“Who gets it” argument and is probably wise to not do so

[shadow creek]

It’s just such an interesting talent, so many strategic applications for both PvP & PvE

[halcyon timber]

Too high up “rogue op”

Too low down “why does outlaw get it for free” as an example

[jolly sierra]

MFD mixes very nice with ER in assa

[halcyon timber]

“Im forced to x”

Yeah fuckin MFD is the shit

[jolly sierra]

ive got easily 90k+ envenoms in current gear

[shadow creek]

I think it should be baseline for all 3 specs, with maybe Outlaw getting a talent node to extend the duration or CD

[halcyon timber]

Hale yeh brover

[jolly sierra]

cuz they decided to animacharge the 3 latest combo points

so i just MFD then envenom w ER

[halcyon timber]

Id gladly get rid of shroud for bomb

Bring invis potions nerds, self accountability

[jolly sierra]

are u sure smoke bomb matches for pve?

[halcyon timber]

Yeah could easy use it to pull a pack , deny a lethal hit on tank / healer

But that is very strong

So prob why it isn’t

[shadow creek]

Definitely, you can LoS ranged mobs, force boss movement, all kinds of things

[halcyon timber]

Boss shoots pp laser at tank —> bomb

Other classes: dhruchshehrufu !! Damn rogues get everything

Never ends

[shadow creek]

It’s a really fun and versatile talent

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i do like versatile stuff

[jolly sierra]

dfa dfa

[halcyon timber]

Pve argumentcame down to “im not responsible enough to manage my own cds so ill fly through the floor because i want to be a turd to my raid”

That was what i picked up for them talking ish about dfa

[jolly sierra]

bruh

they whines about button bloat but rog always had a big toolkit across all xps

if the wanna go like dumbasses then play dh

[halcyon timber]

They just get boners about big numbers flooding their screen

I just want to mug people

[jolly sierra]

muh +100 dps

[halcyon timber]

Me and panda in the woods waiting for raiders to enter the raid

Colorized 2023

[halcyon timber]

MOMM I JUST PARSED!!

Shut up jimmy and move outta my house!

[sour charm]

Guys, how do we answer the Night Elf questions?

[jolly sierra]

jimmy get a job or leave my fkn house

[jolly sierra]

with dwarf anti elves memes

[sour charm]

I approve

[fallow rune]

How does Secret Technique work btw?

[sour charm]

It does Big Dam (Only if you stack it with all your modifiers and press cold blood for it)

[jolly sierra]

zzz playstyle

at least the dev didnt heard pve players so he didnt baked all dmg in shadow dance

[languid ravine]

literally use it and you ll see

[jolly sierra]

now u need hemo and dfa back and u get a decent sub iteration

[languid ravine]

slightly off topic, did dragonriding get nerfed now for real? feels like I m starting to run out of juice completely during races

[jolly sierra]

dunno

but recall u can fly with regular mounts in isles for next patch

[halcyon timber]

Not sure if riding was nerfed, don’t think so though

[spring bough]

spent 10 min on training dummy had adrenaline up for 5 minutes of that could def to better w better stealth management lol

[halcyon timber]

Yeah that shit is sick

That new talent has like 4 sick functions right?

Filthy for sure

[stoic spruce]

I had a dream where I was giving Ion an interview and I kept getting sidetracked and he was getting mad and he eventually just left,

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDDDD

what a dream

[haughty tinsel]

Does death from above give danse macabre stack ?

[spring bough]

any1 on ptr doing skirmishes?

tryna do a random que and its taking forever lol

[thick slate]

are you guys going with sporecloak as your second embellishment on sub or are you going with the zone of focus mastery thingy ?

what's better

[halcyon timber]

Yes it does but it doesn’t “snap shot” if you hit them after dance

[thick slate]

help pls

[halcyon timber]

Its up to you honestly. Mastery is cool but its not like you stay at 90% most of a match unless you intentionally only fight when above the threshold

Lots of people use spore as a “ah crap” kinda deal and it works well

[thick slate]

hmm

well im gonna ask you something weird

what if all im mostly playing is duels these days

what do you think would be a better 1v1 option ?

the mastery thingy could give me some big openers

or is it negligeable ?

[minor cape]

we going for zone of mastery

sub has so much defensives that sporecloak is basically useless

in duels it's the same cause once you run out of everything else you are done anyway

[thick slate]

True exactly what i was thinking lol

once i run out of shadow dances

who tf cares about extra surv

[minor cape]

it's not shadowdances

you get them back

i was talking about defensives

[thick slate]

once i run out of vanishes

and evasion and cloak

ye

[spring bough]

finally got a PTR skirmish after 1 hour

LOL

[thick slate]

aite and is the zone of focus a big damage bump ?

[minor cape]

also duels are not balanced environment

you will win every duel as sub unless you get a class that counters sub in a duel lol

[thick slate]

like fucking arms or fury

[minor cape]

nah

thats easy in a duel

what you should be afraid of is frost mage

or maybe thats my l2p issue

[halcyon timber]

Yes you can make the call to choose that if you want to have another layer of defense. If you want fire power swap it out, not a big deal.

[thick slate]

How much of a damage bump does the zone of focus give for my opener ?

[halcyon timber]

Mastery lining is nice but yeah

[minor cape]

1-2%

[halcyon timber]

Yeah not “a lot” it’s not worth nerfing over though

Small bump up as it should be

[minor cape]

nah if you think about it

thats a good amount

[thick slate]

True

[minor cape]

cause that burst is huge

[thick slate]

2% on shadowtechniques

sectech*

[halcyon timber]

It is but zero uptime if youre stuck in snowcones and fear makes it dookie

But yeah i get you

[minor cape]

you will still have it on opener and after every vanish

[halcyon timber]

Yeh

[thick slate]

Yeah i crafted it

sporecloak will have to wait

if i get people low enough on opener

im controlling the fight

[halcyon timber]

You punch em in the pp

[thick slate]

exactly my stealthy brother

[halcyon timber]

Boots are solid too but meh

[thick slate]

++

[halcyon timber]

Vs triple fire mage or mm hunter? Or triple guardian druid

[spring bough]

vs outlaw/sub with a MM hunter

and we crushed them

[halcyon timber]

NeRf rOgUes hOw oS sAP iN tHE gAmE?! thIs iSnT vANillA

Other class logic right there

[spring bough]

what am i missing. i just cast dispatch once and it hit two times lol

oh BTE cast nvm lol

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

this BTE/dispatch talent is so crazy lol. 3 casts 3 crits of each 300k dmg lol

[jolly sierra]

oh no

[potent pivot]

this chat be gettin freaky lately

[vocal surge]

Welinth

is that you in the skirm?

[jolly sierra]

be merciful we didn't spoke in foreign languages recently

[vocal surge]

nvm

I absolutely

destroyed an outlaw rogue lol

[potent pivot]

l0l

i was just making an observation, it's not necessarily a bad thing

everyone's just excited for the next season ig

[vocal surge]

It was Welinth

The stun at the start of Subterfuge

is big

@spring bough

[vocal surge]

But ye, getting stunned at the start of Subterfuge

as 10.2 Outaw

screws you over hard if you put Between the Eyes on CD

[spring bough]

yeah lmaooo

3 v 2 with a healer /cry

[vocal surge]

DPS wise

you had an advantage w. 3 cleave

:3

[spring bough]

next game coming for you lol

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-shimmy-excited-smile-gif-12032436

[spring bough]

sub outlaw feral should be fun lol

[vocal surge]

Aye

this queue taking a minute

lol

lemme

1v2 game

[spring bough]

14 min in que >.>

[vocal surge]

19 here

[spring bough]

can we war games on the PTR?

i know its a thing but idk how to do it lol

[vocal surge]

haven't tried

theres a command for it

"/wg" or "/wargame"

"/wg groupleadername [arena] [tournamentrules]"

[jolly sierra]

try it lol

[spring bough]

not working >.>

[wary spire]

Yo guys check this out.

[jolly sierra]

edgy

very fitting

for the best assa in the thread

[halcyon timber]

Ye ol wrath terrorblade

You drew it or had it commissioned? That’s slick

[wary spire]

Commissioned a friend of a friend.

[halcyon timber]

Sick 🙂 hope you like it

[wary spire]

We tried to do it like an add in a magazine from the 90s.

[jolly sierra]

thought was ur sister

[uneven grove]

i resubbed, gonna gear up my rogue, is assa considered ass now, right?

[fallow rune]

The Rotten or Danse Macabre for sub rogue doing bg's/world pvp?

[halcyon timber]

It looks great, it reminds me of something from Gorillaz style art

[halcyon timber]

Danse + either side . Can’t really skip it since damage without it is rough

[wary spire]

I mean, ye, but looking at representation - it's more common than outlaw.

[halcyon timber]

It does damage, wouldn’t say its dookie

[wary spire]

You gotta really watch out for warriors tho, lol.

[halcyon timber]

All the red names here know better though

Yeah warriors slap the memory out of people

[fallow rune]

Either side?

[halcyon timber]

Yes sir, danse macabre + one of the other paths

[fallow rune]

I managed to reach Perforated veins.

then out of points

[halcyon timber]

Ah mk so you mix and matched

[fallow rune]

Well I Got all the way to Danse, then down to Perforated.

[halcyon timber]

That’s cool man

Yeah cant have a lot if you want get 2 end talents

[fallow rune]

Well I've been following this guide.

https://murlok.io/rogue/subtlety/solo#talents-specialization

[halcyon timber]

Right on man, do your thing homes. Hope 10.2 is here asap . Live rogue stinks compared to 10.2

[wary spire]

It's harder to screw up on assa than on sub. If you find yourself frustrated from butchered goes on sub or don't want to bother in the first place - try assa.

[jolly sierra]

literal

[wary spire]

Ayy

[twin burrow]

after some tilt D/C's i finally picked back rogue and got the enchant

s2 enchant is amazing compared to s1 wth

[iron ravine]

Is there a Badbubba-Moon Guard in here??

Cause that was a fun BG against them.

[exotic dove]

Yeah this season enchant is fire I am using it on 2 of my Rogues

Grats on Duelist

[twin burrow]

Ty! Feels good before the rework.

[exotic dove]

I havent touched outlaw on ptr yet but after reading the rework it seems the buffs Outlaw got is more of a trade with the loss of find weakness. Curious what you guys think of this and I could be wrong cause Math is not my strong suit

Well against armored classes anyway

[jolly sierra]

i did it

reached US from EU

[stoic spruce]

DFA baseline makes no sense

The versatility of it is the reason it's a talent.

[uneven grove]

why carnage would be dead af?

also if you mention mind numbing being a dead talent, also mention assa literal 1st node, deadly posion is a fcking dead talent point for pvp if DTB is not picked

i feel like deadly should be an automatic passive posion for assassin at this point, so you just have it on you if you apply another lethal posion

[languid ravine]

triple lethal poisons? sign me up

[uneven grove]

yeah even that wouldn't break assa imho, since posion damage is so low compared to bleeds

[jolly sierra]

carnage is dead with just 3 targets

mind numbing is dead if u dont use dtb

[uneven grove]

you can literally press garrote 3 times

[jolly sierra]

but wanna increase non letal damage

[uneven grove]

and spread it to 9 targets maximum

[jolly sierra]

that doesnt work like that

is the NEXT

[uneven grove]

it literally does, i tested it in PTR

[jolly sierra]

tf

how

[uneven grove]

you can double garrote for +30% duration on 3 targets

or apply it to another target for more garrote

[jolly sierra]

wtf

how they did that

the problem

is the rupture

would be a waste

if u do 3 garrotes

but not ruptures

in that lapse

[uneven grove]

but this works with shadow dance too, and that's 6 seconds

there is no problem with Indiscriminate Carnage imho

[jolly sierra]

dunno

for me is still flawed

basically u are cockblocking urself

[uneven grove]

it's 5x better than the carnage we have now

[jolly sierra]

lol no

no way

how a mass silence with bleeds is better than pressing garrote 3 times?

[exotic dove]

I like how Rupture also will apply internal bleeding like Kidney shot does I think that is one of the nice changes and one of my favorite

[jolly sierra]

deadly poison can be picked with hemotoxin

too

[uneven grove]

you garrote 5 people every 1 min, or you garrote 3 people then garrote them again after silence is over, and you can do this with restealth, shadowmeld, vanish, shadow dance

[jolly sierra]

the idea is use that in a rbg

open w double garrote then a rupture

[uneven grove]

or if you are in an RBG, you can just garrote 3 people, and garrote another 3 people, and rupture 3 people

and do this 20 sec later

[jolly sierra]

yeah IC is for rbgs

[jolly sierra]

u cant in that lapse of time

if u garrote 3 people, u cant rupture 3 more persons

[uneven grove]

why? 😄

i mean i won't argue about this anymore, when i tested this on PTR already

it's 3 am, gn

[queen geyser]

Make sure you keep your greencard on you

[jolly sierra]

here ur reason

i won't defend this IC iteration

no way

[potent pivot]

if #8 on that list is talking about the s3 set, tuning isn't done lol

also about IC, i think the idea they're pushing is for CT to be the better option in AoE

[jolly sierra]

we need to report it

[potent pivot]

considering it can now scale per target hit

[jolly sierra]

people complains a lot about CT too

at this step dunno what rlly wants ppl in pve

but is clear IC is big nerfed

[potent pivot]

i haven't really seen anyone complain about CT

[jolly sierra]

if u scroll up u will see some ppl

in forums

[potent pivot]

yeah i just think the way you wrote it there came off a little rude

(for something in the first ptr build)

[vocal surge]

anyone down for some pvp shenanigans in Orgrimmar?

PTR

[jolly sierra]

meh

realz is doing a good job

and think ppl was even crueler than me in some posts

one literal said the guy knows nothing

about assa

[potent pivot]

yeh that's the problem with the forums tbh

[jolly sierra]

and did anything but rework it

i just wanted to say

[potent pivot]

people have no filter, and it seems like a lot of them will never be happy no matter what is done

[jolly sierra]

THE PATH IS FLAWED

[potent pivot]

.>

[vocal surge]

Lol

The Helm enchant Igira's Cruel Nightmare works in PvP

[spring bough]

Is that different than what they are talking about here?

Maybe they didn’t disable it yet?

[vocal surge]

its the Incandescent Essence

[halcyon timber]

Says it will be disabled

Prob haven’t gotten around to it yet though.

[spring bough]

Would be nice if they just forgot they said that and leave it 😂

[halcyon timber]

That results in nerfs, no ty

Results in things like “rogues are doing more damage than we would like” ( actual statement) when it was goofy cheesy things that people double dipped on and didn’t report / tried to be slick

[stoic spruce]

Underperforming but still effective in the right situations. Ie Dev/Fdk.

[halcyon timber]

Confused by that , yeah there are some nutty things but what

[stoic spruce]

After I seen this I knew without a shadow of a doubt, blizz just doesn't like DK.

[stoic spruce]

This was also a net nerf

[halcyon timber]

Its one thing to do enhancement tab targeting

But fros isn’t doing that

Frost

Ive seem dks do like 150k obliterates left and right but they aren’t doing like 400k meme beams

Anyone speak dk care to expand on it?

[stoic spruce]

Imagine a spec so powerful it nerfs a spec it plays with

[halcyon timber]

Augmentor buffs

Like that taken into consideration?

[stoic spruce]

There's nothing to expand lol. Even the guy who wrote that seemed confused because there's no way you can type that and go "yeah this makes sense"

[halcyon timber]

Organized 3s vs chillstreak rbgs

Like what are they supposed to do? Serious question

If they aren’t slow moving hate machines that chunk

[stoic spruce]

Devastation is the only comp Fdk has thats actually good enough to write home about

[halcyon timber]

Did they double dragon blast reality hard or something?

Yeah but dev has a lot of hard hitters

[stoic spruce]

Fdk locks them down and they burst

[halcyon timber]

Frost , I don’t see enough of them to know

Yeah but don’t punish the dk

Dev flies over and does 2/3 of a teams life w deep breath and wternity surge

Eternity* good lord thumbs on my dang phone

[stoic spruce]

Dk defensives got giga nerfed season 1 because of a bugged interaction with Will of the Necropolis. I really don't think they care enough.

[halcyon timber]

Aug can consistently pop people for 90k and do 450k upheavals in open world pvp

No idea how but yeah

I don’t think they “don’t care” but its prob safe to assume “not on top of our radar atm”

Which isnt cool to fdk

[stoic spruce]

Fdk has to do insane damage because it has no disarm, offheals, MS, etc. If unholy and fdk did equal damage, there no reason to play fdk.

[halcyon timber]

Its like when we get nerfed to being nothing but a stun bot

[stoic spruce]

I hard disagree. They're human so they susceptible to bias.

[stoic spruce]

Yeahhh

[halcyon timber]

Maybe man dunno

I don’t work there

[stoic spruce]

Someone really pissed off a dev in that PvP with the blues lol

[halcyon timber]

So what is being upped to help?

Didn’t they just cut their burst and pack in sustain?

[stoic spruce]

Dmg outside of CDs and CDs being nerfed

Yeah that didn't do anything

[halcyon timber]

Jeeze man

What the heck caused a knee jerk then?

They going to get smoked because of their tierset next season as well then w this logic?

Then buff moonkin just because

[stoic spruce]

And to top it all off, it has bad survivability so it has a hit and run playstyle. Which means the slowest class in the game is at a disadvantage when bursting, even though it's melee.

[stoic spruce]

Lol yeaj

[halcyon timber]

Makes zero sense man

Absolutely zero

Normally I wouldn’t care because im a rogue but that’s jacked up

[peak agate]

they nerfing fdk again?

[stoic spruce]

No we're just chatting

The tier set is juiced though. Even when nerfed by 50% it'll still be very good.

[halcyon timber]

Oh i thought that was another nerf to them

Didn’t read the date

[peak agate]

oh ok good. I thought blizzard was killing another one of my fuck around alts

[halcyon timber]

Its kinda like the meme of

As long as 1 of x is good, forget the rest of the class

That’s inappropriate

[stoic spruce]

I've seen more bdk than frost lol

[halcyon timber]

Yeah

[stoic spruce]

Though I know some much prefer blood because it can stay in the fight

[halcyon timber]

I remember wheh frost was the tank and blood was damage . Pepper ridge farm remembers

[stoic spruce]

They were both okay at them too

[halcyon timber]

Like unholy can pop zits for up to 90k and blast 140k coils like a mad man

But fdk oooo no its illegal

[peak agate]

Good ole Blood DK dps in WOTK the best time to be a dk

[stoic spruce]

Fdk damage is good, don't get me wrong. But it dies to air.

[halcyon timber]

Feral set is cookef af

Cooked

Hopefully discipline gets back to smacking people too. Their new kamehameha sounds good . They stink in dampening

[peak agate]

I know, but you die if someone looks at you funny

[halcyon timber]

What’s the issue w their survivability? Serious question

[stoic spruce]

Death Strike is poopy

[halcyon timber]

Sac pet / blood draw / will / d strike and new pvp 20% phys dr still not cutting it? I dunno the rest of their kit besides like lichborne and such

[stoic spruce]

No no

[halcyon timber]

D strike heals for 7% min right? I donno how it was changed recently

And death pact etc

Dampening doesn’t help either

[peak agate]

Its more physical damage from my experience

[halcyon timber]

Well warriors and rets are going to do that honestly

[stoic spruce]

Sac pet they use. Blood draw is giga nerfed, will is giga nerfed, the new pvp talent is has a 3 second duration so you have to spam it for it to do anything. Death Stike itself is nerfed, improved deathstrike is nerfed, ams is nerfed, big ams is nerfed, and Death Pact is a net negative.

[halcyon timber]

Ret doing holy strike just takes whatever the individual has less of a resistance to

[stoic spruce]

I thought it was 50/50 phys and holy

[halcyon timber]

Good lord dk is hit

Hard

I mean they are spell eaters after all and every class should have weaknesses but jeeze

[languid ravine]

Why people claim it is "nerfed" in pvp as an argument?
Just think of it as BUFFED by 100% outside of pvp
Have yer learned nothing from the ""well rested" "bonus"" blizz kindly gave you

[stoic spruce]

The amount of health you get when you put rp into deathstriking doesn't make up for all that damage you lost.

[stoic spruce]

Lmaoooo

I'll have to use that

[halcyon timber]

So why not give them the enhancement treatment?

The new talent that gives them maelstrom equivalent effect to heal after whatever

Indunno how it works exactly

Just that enhance “can” heal now wothout going oom

Without*

[peak agate]

most positive way to view it

[nova viper]

for 1400 player is "MASIVE NERF"

[halcyon timber]

Kek

[stoic spruce]

I'm pretty sure it's because when every other class uses a defensive, their health doesn't move. But DKs are unique in everything they have is an absorb which means their health slingshots back and forth and people don't like that. Even though it's the same in the end.

[halcyon timber]

I think its safe to assume most people don’t use their full kit

[stoic spruce]

Fr they see the 50 and think it's the end of the world lmao

[peak agate]

Frost can have a clever MS effect where they freeze you and become "numb" to healing but I feel mages would cry about that

[halcyon timber]

I mean they can’t give dk the dh leech style

Heal to full killing a demon etc

Eyebeam a goat and heal to full

[stoic spruce]

Mages cry about a lot lol

[halcyon timber]

Mages can suck it

[stoic spruce]

I actually think they could. It's very thematic for dk.

[halcyon timber]

Yeah but at what cost to the kit to achieve X

[stoic spruce]

The healing from Necrotic Wounds

Assuming this is a pvp talent

I thought of it as such

[halcyon timber]

Pair that up with all the previous stuff and it becomes a big problem

[stoic spruce]

Wdym

[halcyon timber]

If they had all of those thing’s previously mentioned unnerfed + x “dK dOesnT dIe” begins again

[stoic spruce]

Well it obv wouldn't be a 1:1 amount

[halcyon timber]

Not sure how balancing all that works

Yeah its tricky man

[stoic spruce]

Well in pve it doesn't need it which is why I assumed it was a pvp talent

In this hypothetical

[halcyon timber]

So what is the most realistic unnerf that is an all around “fix” i guess without crazy consequences

Active tools > passive in my book

[stoic spruce]

Unnerf ams and DeathStrike

[halcyon timber]

Death strikes i guess

Yeah what does it do currently?

[peak agate]

I think icebound fort gets a buff and maybe deathstrike

[jolly sierra]

sexoooooooooooooooooooooooo

[halcyon timber]

ICB is what 30%?

[nova viper]

yooooooooooo my boy

what's up

sexooooooooooooooo

[halcyon timber]

XD

[jolly sierra]

just played arenas w a friend in undergarments

the guy got the tier into rounds

[stoic spruce]

Ibf is mainly used for stuns the higher you go. Maybe something a lot less situational like AMS and Deathstrike for general survivability

[halcyon timber]

Er IBF sorry

[jolly sierra]

the guy had like 1k CR and rushed him to 1k6

[halcyon timber]

Was thinking about the rootbeer for some reason

[jolly sierra]

100% sure he gets 1k8

[nova viper]

Pretty nice

[stoic spruce]

Ibf into AMZ to nuke and RMP go

[nova viper]

what combo you play with him?

[stoic spruce]

Love rootbeer

[jolly sierra]

disc assa

[halcyon timber]

Me too

[nova viper]

nice!

[halcyon timber]

What is ams / amz at now?

[jolly sierra]

here we don't drink rootbeer

because we don't have root beer in market

lolol

[halcyon timber]

I prefer energy drinks

[jolly sierra]

i wanna coke

with some hot dogs

and french fries

[halcyon timber]

Hot dog in the coke?

[jolly sierra]

lol what

no way

[halcyon timber]

XD

[stoic spruce]

Anti magic shell and anti magic zone

[halcyon timber]

I meant the values

I know the abilities haha

[jolly sierra]

cmon dk main tell us

[halcyon timber]

Like why are they trash atm?

“Trash”

[jolly sierra]

found banditt next to me in forums

[stoic spruce]

I'd have to consult wowhead because I don't remember. I just know ams duration is nerfed and the amount is nerfed by 50%

Amz is buffed in pvp

[stoic spruce]

That's actually me

[jolly sierra]

RAAAAAAAAAR

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHHHHHH

[peak agate]

We aren't getting a new defensive talent with double feint. If anything we should just be glass cannons. At least I have a reason to die to air.

[halcyon timber]

Ahh right on man

Kite and book it

Pull a “patriot” and pop shot jokers in the woods

[stoic spruce]

Cdr on vanish is a Godsend

[jolly sierra]

wind blows

assa:

[stoic spruce]

I mean evasion

Cdr on vanish is cringe

[halcyon timber]

Yeah its cool

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

[halcyon timber]

Nah its always been an outlaw / combat thing

Lets you be aggressive

[peak agate]

Everytime I got a war in 2s, I take a deep sigh.

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[halcyon timber]

Don’t stoop to other classes trash posting about us

[jolly sierra]

i've not met any warr in 2s today

[peak agate]

or mm hunter

[jolly sierra]

ah fkn mm hunters

[halcyon timber]

Whys that?

[jolly sierra]

one deleted my healer in 2 seconds

lol

[peak agate]

my healer is like why did you die, its because I got hit for 225k

[jolly sierra]

he said "im good"
then "im dead"

[halcyon timber]

Execute bleed eh?

Skullsplitter is filthy

[jolly sierra]

skullsplitter is not used anymore

[halcyon timber]

Mm is pretty wicked, no idea the rationale behind buffs

[jolly sierra]

can confirm cuz i play warr in this season too

[halcyon timber]

I wouldn’t know but I’ll take your word for it primo

[jolly sierra]

kek

[jolly sierra]

uNDerPerfORminG

[peak agate]

they also had that root bug

[halcyon timber]

Punishment = new reworked condemn right?

[peak agate]

imagine my annoyance

[halcyon timber]

I see them use it alot now, dunno how it changed though

Yeah ye ol storm bolt / charge behind a pillar from space jam distance

Anyone understand the warlock redesigns otw for 10.2?

They got some notes too

[peak agate]

at least sub has cdr for vanish, I either run or evasion as the war spams overpower on me.

[halcyon timber]

Yeah tough stuff man

[peak agate]

unnerf the bleeds and I'll be okay with it

[halcyon timber]

2 feints and access to more utility should be an improvement for sure

[vocal surge]

solo shuffle kinda sucks

for gearing lol

no conquest income unless +3 wins

Lmao

I forgot I dont have Gouge on my retail rogue

I was like: "oh, I was missing my gouge"

Turns out I didn't have it spec'd in

[peak agate]

you probably dont even need it, 90% of the time someone will break it.

[nova viper]

win 3+ games, ez

[vocal surge]

Have to replace

all my gear lol

and im in S1 stuff, no mastery

[jolly sierra]

i need to find an addon to track my allies cds

[pearl warren]

omnicd

or abilityteamtracker

both are good

[vocal surge]

real question is

should I replace my S1 set pieces w. pvp blues

or not

[jolly sierra]

i have ATT here tho, ty for confirming

but something faster, any of then can track allies cds in nameplates?

else will give up and just use ATT tho

[left spoke]

Omnicd is better imo

[jolly sierra]

does it works in nameplates?

for friendly players?

[left spoke]

Att kinda buggy with how it attaches to party frames

Nah it's just for party frames

[jolly sierra]

ngl just wanna track my comps cds when they are bursting

[left spoke]

I mean, most burst CDs nowadays have a very obvious sound/animation to it

[stoic spruce]

1/5 and gained rating. Ty blizz, that mage was mean.

[surreal barn]

So I messed around w assa yesterday @jolly sierra

It has been since BfA

One thing I really hate in the playstyle is that garrote is usable outside of stealth forcing your mutilates and envenoms to be tuned down

Maybe I’m just a noob tho 🤷‍♂️

[wary spire]

@jolly sierra wut wut!

How?

[potent pivot]

By making an NA account

[wary spire]

I did too.

It ain't showing up.

[potent pivot]

I think you have to install the NA client possibly?

And create a free trial and get lvl 10

[wary spire]

I did all dat. It displays it here.

But not here, on the forums.

[shadow creek]

Is Outlaw the only spec in the game with 2 mandatory short-duration maintenance buffs (RtB & SnD)?

[jolly sierra]

went to exile's reach and left the place

[wary spire]

I'm in the bfa zone.

[jolly sierra]

instead just hitting lvl 10

[wary spire]

Still no luck.

[jolly sierra]

wtf

[jolly sierra]

nah is not that bad, u just refresh the garrote actually (or use then to fill ER combo points)

and BTW, with rework mut will be more relevant

[jolly sierra]

lemme recall my road

1. Ended in exile's reach, leveled to 10 and did the dungeon

2. Reached level 11 and left the place, going to orgrimmar

3. Disconnected and checked the blue post regarding the rework in the US, went to bottom and logged in from there

4. Went to the same post above and replied the first blue one

5. Found banditt below me posting

[peak agate]

There's also a ptr channel on the discord since the rogue dev is here if ya want to send feedback

[jolly sierra]

that is flooded with pve andys disregarding u

[peak agate]

I guess that's fair lol

[jolly sierra]

also is said realz is reading here too so doesnt matter too much

[peak agate]

Gotta up dat AOE deeps mirite

[waxen meteor]

Or just move to US

[peak agate]

If all these aoe changes stay the same. It's gonna be real fun during ioc hangers fights. Might be able to pad damage before I die 15 secs after I pop outside of stealth 😂

[jolly sierra]

🤮

[wise breach]

Does anyone know if Realz has seen feedback about Numbing/Atrophic being required for Imp Wound/Master Poisoner?

[jolly sierra]

nope, but seems he is aware

cuz that was posted in forums too

and he said he is reading everything

[peak agate]

I feel bad for him then because I've seen some of the forum feedback.

[jolly sierra]

some of them were extremely hostile, yeah

lemme find one

or 2

and we pvpers are the toxics lol

[peak agate]

That first screenshot they didn't even say anything.

[wary spire]

I wonder if he rolls his eyes at the essays that read like
"Here's how to ACTUALLY fix rogue:

• Poopie shot +33% dmg.
• Buff Four Second Strike from 4 seconds to 6.3 seconds.
• Zomg and Gmoz talents SHOULD swap places
• BRING BACK BADOONKAS SPREE OH MY GOD"

Like with exact numbers for some reason.

[peak agate]

Honestly I think for the pvp side we just need to band together and write something we all somewhat agree on. At least then we can provide meaningful feedback because I have a feeling we'll get some updated pvp talents.

[halcyon timber]

Yeah he talked about it as the forums suck. They just get diarrhea filled hands and talk trash .

We do feel 20x better on ptr vs live , freakin major improvement.

[wary spire]

I honestly have 2 complaints.
Mark's way too easy to get rid off for being our "strongest" button.
Missing a mobility/defensive node in the assa tree, we're even losing intent to kill in the next patch, reducing our mobility further.

And I honestly thing that's pretty much it.

[surreal barn]

I was surprised vendetta didn’t make a comeback since goremaw did

[waxen meteor]

but if it's 30% bonus dmg perm, i am cool haha

but that will be nerfed 2 hours later

[wary spire]

Pve nerds like mark proabably.

[surreal barn]

Also Welinth saw a 400k goremaw yesterday I have been trying to replicate it

No luck so far 😂

[halcyon timber]

The discussion of requesting Death Mark having 2 parts needs to be brought up again.

1. The mark itself is unclearable and is just an indicator
2. If bleeds are cleared then they can be reapplied as the mark is still up

[wary spire]

I saw ~600k kingsbane flying around.

[halcyon timber]

We also don’t have full gear mind you

Life pools especially with the 30 something ilvl spread will probably curve that

Goremaws would only hit hard due to the double dipping bug that is being addressed next week plus all the other usual stuff. Danse macabre is the major culprit and should be hit instead of goremaws itself. We are also getting anightstalker nerf and that addresses stuff too.

[peak agate]

Assassination is really just the inbetween of both specs. We have worse defensives because we lack the CDR that combat has, even though we rely about as much in stealth as that spec. Sub is the control king but still has more overall front loaded burst than Assass. I think double feint helps but im also thinking we might need our own little defensive gimmick.

[halcyon timber]

Don’t want to repeat a season 1 nerf into non existence due to cheese

[wary spire]

Ye, I'll add it.

[jolly sierra]

one of them straight tries to gaslight u saying DM is good and vendetta is crap

even when DM is a nightmare to tune

[jolly sierra]

that should work like touch of karma

[halcyon timber]

Yea sir

Yes*

[jolly sierra]

if u clean that w cloak u will have it reapplied if u keep hitting anyways

[jolly sierra]

ofc we need more defensives

[halcyon timber]

Yes however, that’s just off our talent. That’s not generally the case though when applying to all cases .

[jolly sierra]

if we endure the least actually, a double feint isnt enough

[halcyon timber]

Well feint x 2 for 20% , evasion and veil give 10% , atrophic for 3.6% and deadened nerves being 5%

Not sure how much they are going to budge on adding much more

[jolly sierra]

u wont use athro in current incarnation of assa if DTB is nerfed

[halcyon timber]

Agreed but on paper they look at that

[jolly sierra]

also we lost the versa bonus

[peak agate]

So what's your suggestion? General damage mitigation, purely physical....magic?

[halcyon timber]

Id say give assassination old elusiveness (30sec off cloak and vanish)

From wrath

Or let thieves bargain be a class wide pvp talent

[jolly sierra]

something with vial

like a damage reduction in use or something like that

or give us cheat death alongside elusiveness

[wary spire]

Can buff leaching for assa, seems appropriate.

[jolly sierra]

for the spec only

u have legion artifact tree, there are a lot of ideas from there

[halcyon timber]

Vial dr would be solid

You guys got 4% on that right? Can’t remember

[peak agate]

I'll take a physical wall that I can use in a stun.

[languid ravine]

I think BigDebuffs can do this but not sure

[jolly sierra]

will check later

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i just use omni cd or my eyes

[jolly sierra]

or using feint in stun, should be fine too lol

like rets with div prot

[halcyon timber]

Yeah but when it comes to rogue they are hesitant on stuff like that. Always have been .

[jolly sierra]

woot

[halcyon timber]

I could agree for assassination though . Enhancement would reeee “wE hAd sHamaNisTic RaGE”

[low moon]

any initial thoughts on 10.2 changes for pvp?

[halcyon timber]

It’s solid but things will get tuned. All classes are strong.

[peak agate]

depends on pvp modifiers tbh

[halcyon timber]

We don’t have new pvp gear or proper stamina levels either

So hard to say

[low moon]

more talking like play/fun/utility than damage, tunings always gonna be up to whims of blizz

[halcyon timber]

That’s my kinda deal too.

Feels solid

Smooth and precise

[peak agate]

I like the changes to Sin as a general casual pver

I still think it needs work pvp wise

and themetically

[low moon]

makes sense, looks like its trying to head in the right direction for giving sin some aoe options

[uneven grove]

what do u expect from wow players

[uneven grove]

for pvp they need to consider swapping out the mind numbing posion slot with the improved non lethal posions or improved wound, and make deadly baseline or idk, cus if you use wound only, that 1st point on assa tree is fcking deadge

that's my 2 main concerns

[wary spire]

I really like sudden demise. I hope it won't be trash in pvp.

[low moon]

piss and vinegar

[halcyon timber]

XD

[vocal surge]

in 10.2, SnD becomes optional for the opener

in PvP

[peak agate]

first talent point for sin should be https://www.wowhead.com/spell=333847/red-ink lmao

[halcyon timber]

Red ink was cool

[shadow creek]

Thanks for replying. How so? Because of Crackshot?