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vocal surge
vocal surge
did the game crash?
vocal surge
ah
vocal surge
Aye
jolly sierra
brb gotta buy food
vocal surge
ok
vocal surge
xD
jolly sierra
lol
vocal surge
Close
jolly sierra
yeah
vocal surge
thought you meant irl food when you said you went to buy food lol
jolly sierra
was like this since prepatch
vocal surge
Ah
jolly sierra
ye
jolly sierra
op af then
vocal surge
aye
jolly sierra
w a gal here, is telling me about smash mouth passing away
vocal surge
XD
jolly sierra
minor cape
some
jolly sierra
body
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once
thick slate
so apparently rogue is looking to be above god tier in pve with that rework. How is it looking for pvp ? and which spec looks like the top dog with these changes?
halcyon timber
All seem solid
We all can crank from testing so far
Not sitting around on our hands
thick slate
Any change in the playstyle, for example for sub ? Or is it still build till sectec then do go, rinse and repeat
thick slate
we got some notes?
Bro
we didnt get notes
we got a whole dictionnary lmao
how did you manage to miss that
minor cape
i checked right before they came out
lel
gonna take a look
Reverberation now increases Echoing Reprimand damage by 100% (was 75%).
what is blizzard trying to tell
thick slate
oh you gonna be in for a lot of surprises
halcyon timber
Shit is filthy
God damn goremaws boyyyy
So happy he made that suggestion. After kingsbane came back i was a little bit sad ha
Where mah stabby buddy goremaw at? Haha
minor cape
they really just gave us 700 ways to oneshot lol
halcyon timber
Nahhh it will get nerfed don’t you worry. Rogue always does.
No one is watching the other classes but dh is getting talent updates and there are a lot of classes who got nasty updates today too.
Warriors are stronger too and new talents
Discipline seems pretty sick w their changes too. Priest friends seem to be happy so far
Healer trinkets being 90sec is interesting too
minor cape
Healer trinkets being 90sec is interesting too
thats actually a sub nerf lol
halcyon timber
Always man
halcyon timber
Yep a lot happier
Kit flows very well
Some of the outlaw kids are very happy about killing spree today too
halcyon timber
I fuckin hate stunbot
Really finally get to play the game
Core abilities feel good and lots of choices to customize our stuff. Im a happy stabber.
Mfd change is sick af
minor cape
now will be musthave
last jasper
Jeez I hate mfd 😂
stoic spruce
I officially have the best outlaw build
minor cape
wait it's a split between 7cp and mfd?
halcyon timber
Si
halcyon timber
Heh
New trees are fuggin solid
Sprint talent is beautiful and 2 feints
Will help w mosh pits
halcyon timber
I don’t speak outlaw, care to translate please?
stoic spruce
big pp dam
halcyon timber
Ahhhh
I understand
Pp punch
XD
Seeing all the wind wankers gripe about assassination execute is cute
thick slate
there's no way we make it live or atleast 2 weeks in like this
stoic spruce
shhh
thick slate
there's literally not a single spec in the game that's remotely close to how good we are looking to be
halcyon timber
We are getting tuned , seriously
We’re not dh or mages, they aint letting us slide
stoic spruce
I hope its just damage because Outlaw plays so fluidly and I'm scared they'll damage the fragility of it.
stoic spruce
I love how much you get punished for smashing random buttons as outlaw
halcyon timber
Oh they do and we become stun bots for mages
minor cape
but dh is like
minor cape
dh is good - blizzard buffs dh anyway - refuses to elaborate
stoic spruce
since we are getting nerfed, I had Killing Spree and Ghostly Strike come back in 10 seconds
halcyon timber
Lets not wish it upon ourselves though
thick slate
but know this for sure, not a single spec, historically, became bad after the rework. even after the nerfs. it became a way better version than it was
stoic spruce
by using DB and Shadowdance to bring it back
thick slate
it fortifies its position
minor cape
So they can combust and such
same without rogue
halcyon timber
Would say realistic tuning yeah
stoic spruce
I actually enjoy this iteration of sub
minor cape
because AR EM PEEE AR EM PEEE
minor cape
AR EM PEEE SO SCARY
halcyon timber
Rrr emmmm peeeeeee peee
stoic spruce
It almost makes me want to take back all the bad things I said about sub players. Almost.
halcyon timber
Meh
marble oasis
It almost makes me want to take back all the bad things I said about sub players...
Progress Pog
marble oasis
Aoe kidney for life
minor cape
It almost makes me want to take back all the bad things I said about sub players...
i mean popo i will shit on your porch
stoic spruce
sorry broseph, I'm team aoe blind
minor cape
and vanish
stoic spruce
ride or die team aoe blind
marble oasis
sorry broseph, I'm team aoe blind
Why not both 😤
halcyon timber
Yeh but at least our shit costs 50 energy and a 40 sec cd and it will still get nerfed anyway
marble oasis
Make is giga objective cappers again!
stoic spruce
towns not big enuff fer the two of us
halcyon timber
Id rather burn their house down and shit in their fridge
minor cape
no way aoe kidney is actually good
halcyon timber
It get yeeted
halcyon timber
I dunno man i just rogue here
halcyon timber
You guys wanna talk shit in voice or nah?
Discuss idears , its cool if not man just was askin
marble oasis
It’s actually insane.
Aoe kidney into dance cheaps the most giga peel going.
Gouges +blinds on top
halcyon timber
Dh does it with magic piss puddle sigil and eye beams a team down
thick slate
yall forgetting outlaw can blade flurry their blind too lol
thick slate
cancel aura what ?
halcyon timber
F u demo lockkkk
Cancel aura blade flurry to not break blind if it works how i think it does
Like bf > blind em all > cancel bf
thick slate
its an ability you press
it doesnt randomly work with blade flurry
theres an ability you take
that makes it like this
but yeah defo cancel aura BF after blind
halcyon timber
Right i get that but the application part is what i think is what we are agreeing on
thick slate
Yeah i misunderstood at start
halcyon timber
Bf to affect 3+ targets plus the actual target > blind > cancel flurry > pp slap time
If that’s how it works / shrug
stoic spruce
I don't know if there's room to grab it tbh
halcyon timber
Do ittt for rogue science
halcyon timber
Yeh man
stoic spruce
Been on that grind all night
stoic spruce
Thinking about her (10.2 outlaw)
halcyon timber
XD proper
stoic spruce
Opening with BtE 
halcyon timber
I hope to avoid knee jerk nerfs this go around
stoic spruce
And then killing spree + ghostly strike and then dreadblades + shadow dance to get KS + GS back so fast
I LOVE IT ERIDIAN
Also, 4 set is great
Unfortunately will be nerfed in pvp
Somehow
halcyon timber
Yeah its sick af
Im really happy to see everyone enjoying stuff
Tier will be cut by 50% as expected, doesn’t really bother me much as long as core kit is solid
Extra stuff is neat and all but yeah
stoic spruce
I have to distance myself from ptr
If I keep playing, I'll be even more mad when it gets nerfed.
halcyon timber
Its normal my dude
Testing and giving our boy data is the best we can do for our class
Honest testing at that
Nerds in Sl beta just wanted to gem stack old wrath gear and cheese bosses and we paid big time for it
Along with world trinkets and such that were used in pvp
stoic spruce
Nerds in Sl beta just wanted to gem stack old wrath gear and cheese bosses and w...
Really?
halcyon timber
Yep
stoic spruce
I've never heard of this lol
halcyon timber
Yeah they put a scaling buff on everyone and people ran to get old triple gem slot stuff from wrarh
Wrath
And it kicked up too so yeah
Bfa there was a lot of dumb stuff going on too during beta
sour charm
Did anyone test sudden demise?
wary spire
Okay guys. Hear me out. Shadow dance on assa.
wary spire
Healing, stuns and all we'd have to lose is some puny ER and, um, some boring strikes...
sour charm
With improved garrote still being nerfed in PvP dance is less of a dmg increase than it might seem for Assa at least
wary spire
But utility!
If we're not getting any updates in defensives on assa side I took it upon myself to create the tankiest abomination.
Wanna test this out. Right side is kinda skuffed but maybe it has potential.
sour charm
Do you really think the heal is going to make you much more tanky
wary spire
Not much, but more.
halcyon timber
Feint x2 + Iron stomach + recuperator and deadened nerves being buffed slightly might be it
Like, its def something worth looking at for sure. I friggin dig it.
Not including iron wire / blackjack etc could def help with timing and kiting as us rogues do.
Definitely a lot better than flying fidget spinners ( combat readiness returning)
minor cape
i like this rogue tree a lot
except for where attack distance and recuperator is
🫡
anyone got a screen of sub tree?
minor cape
oh nice ty g
languid ravine
Not sure this is good, so many dead ass utility talents in first row
maybe its good to put them all first row
languid ravine
but also its just four straight lines
minor cape
you can play finality shadowdust
since rotten no longer generates cp
no point to take it
🤔
or idk we can only be guessing rn
languid ravine
idk, middle right half seems too mandatory/efficient where the vanish shield leads to all the must have nodes
swift death is just completely a dead node where its placed
languid ravine
then why have it exist in the game
wary spire
Do you guys think mfd or ER + AS is better for assa?
surreal barn
So does shroud of concealment take people out of combat now
wary spire
Still debating what better to cut for sd.
surreal barn
Why all the extra talents
languid ravine
Dark Brew is back babeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/rogue/subtlety/DAAAPRRUVEVBVQUAUoVQBA
said no one ever
wary spire
Dark Brew is back babeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/r...
Hope flag wouldn't be bis for sub.
languid ravine
its probably too good to pass up with new shadow technique combo point hoarding and goremaws
assuming neither of those are completely undertuned
and if that is true then we ll have even more concentrated damage windows
dubbed by blizz as "high intensity moments the spec is known for"
lmao
there miight even be a world where new shadow techniques works well with echoing reprimand making this situation even worse but not sure about this one
wary spire
Eeeh
languid ravine
gloomblade supports looks like it will play like trash
its like aligning the stars, every 6th builder is buffed, builder after dance is buffed, builder after rotten is buffed
have fun tracking those with your weakaura
surreal barn
Lol echoing reprimand and sepsis award max combo points with 25 and 10 energy while the new version of shadow blades is up
Add to goremaws for free finishers
With MfD you’re at so many macabre stacks
wary spire
Wonder what spec will be the least nerfed one in the end.
torn stump
what about outlaw pvp talent like this?
wary spire
Isn't sting like a bee nerfed to nothing in pvp?
torn stump
Isn't sting like a bee nerfed to nothing in pvp?
in pvp is 5%.
wary spire
Float feels like a better deal.
torn stump
can choose before the battle.
acoustic junco
you definitely want killing spree and ghostly strike. You can macro ghostly into other abilities since it's off GCD.
quaint cedar
Was ghostly still on restless blades? Forgot to check that yesterday when I was on ptr
austere thorn
Can someone with ptr access check if crackshot works during dance?
quaint cedar
It does
austere thorn
Thats busted
quaint cedar
Was definitely working for me yesterday
austere thorn
Thats completely busted if it does lmao
quaint cedar
No reason to say that right now
This is first iteration. Talents and numbers can change.
All I know is that it feels really great to play with
This is exactly how I wanted outlaw to have burst. I love these ways you can combine stuff and set up a short burst window
So much more interesting than "me warrior, me press avatar, me do 15% more damage for 20 sec"
austere thorn
Lowkey best change is BTE switching from a debuff on target to a buff on rogue
wary spire
Wait, ks kills you when you have dreadblades up?
supple briar
I hope they keep that in, would be hilarious to witness
wary spire
Suicide spree.
torn stump
ghostly strike + killing spree need 35+45 energy, not sure good for pvp.
ghostly strike and blade rush is 2choice1, pvp need blade rush.
shadow creek
I've been monkeying around with different builds outside of Crackshot, and I gotta say this one slaps. Macroing Ghostly Strike+Cold Blood+BtE and then hitting Killing Spree, you can do massive burst every 45 seconds. With Improved BtE it's a banger. BQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkQSSTSAEJJJiEJplkEtAFJAAAAAAIpEJSKJShkSKBAAAgEBA
wary spire
Won't 4 vers be better than 1 stam?
shadow creek
Yup, changed it here: BQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkQSSTCARSSiIRSaJJRLQRCAAAAAASKRikSSShkSKBAAAgEBA
I think on PTR it's still 5%, but the vers is still more valuable.
quaint cedar
stam is pretty worth in pvp, it's buffed in pvp combat to 15%
shadow creek
Yeah stam and vers are both important, they bookend mitigation...gotta play around a little more with the build
Also: Blackjack + Airborne Irritant means we can apply a 30% healing & damage debuff to up to 5 targets...I haven't tested it yet but that seems pretty good
quaint cedar
only if the bug was ever fixed. currently it's bugged to not work with blind, only sap
but yeah, that could be good against melee teams as a tradeoff for not using blind on the healer
shadow creek
Yeah good callout. I mostly play rated BGs, and being able to neuter up to 5 targets focused on an ally during team fight would be clutch I think
austere thorn
Uhh if crackshot works with subterfuge/underhanded/dance and you play both +15% mov speed talents (which are now much easier to get), that means with boarding party pvp talent we're gonna have permanent 160% move speed baseline
austere thorn
Sprint was also buffed with the talent so thats like what, 290% move speed?
quaint cedar
LOL
I love it
man I wish we could take more pvp talents
we have so many good ones now
take your cut could be even better now that we have some stuff that scales with haste
austere thorn
They gonna nerf killing spree im pretty sure
They should
shadow creek
My biggest wish with the PvP talents is to make Smoke Bomb baseline. But yeah, there are a lot of good choices now
quaint cedar
Did we forget how hard other classes can hit?
Other classes still burst way harder than outlaw even with the changes
Not sure why we are advocating for nerfs on day freaking 1 here
shadow creek
KS is literally Outlaw’s only real burst, the buff is not only appropriate, it’s been a long time coming, imo
quaint cedar
I saw a fury warrior test damage on ptr and killed way faster than outlaw even with every modifier stacked
We really trying to make outlaw 0 burst again?
Let us have this lol
austere thorn
why should they?
Its too much
BTE crits for 120k with imp bte talent
Imagine during dance u spam ambush bte(+auto dispatch from crackshot)
quaint cedar
Imagine a dps spec being able to burst like literally every other spec in the game
Madness!
quaint cedar
But that's with 0 defensives pressed and no CC
austere thorn
U get like 3 finishers during dance
quaint cedar
In a real pvp scenario you're not going to hit a training dummy that doesn't react to you
austere thorn
Thats a fuck ton of damage
quaint cedar
Play any other spec. They can all do that
shadow creek
I think a lot of us may have Stockholm syndrome with how low are burst has been for years. This just brings us up to other comparable classes, like fury, or survival Hunter
quaint cedar
Stop gaslighting yourself into thinking outlaw doesn't deserve to have burst that every other spec has
Also, healers are getting a 1.5 min trinket in 10.2. We're going to need burst now more than ever to be viable
We can't keep going down this path of being a 0 burst spec
These are good and healthy changes for the spec
austere thorn
I mean im an outlaw main I rly want the spec to be good but I can see it being oppressive
Thats why I asked earlier if crackshot works with subterfuge/dance
wary spire
You can still get stunned in ks, right?
austere thorn
Yes
wary spire
I mean.
quaint cedar
Yeah, no cc immunity like before
austere thorn
Ideally u just send it after kidney/cheap
wary spire
If a burst that is telegraphed THIS badly deals okay damage I think it's fair.
quaint cedar
I'd assume disarm interrupts it too
Yeah. In 3s you'd have to cross CC if you want to get spree off. You're not going to just send it out and expect it to not get stopped
shadow creek
It should really be immune to cc, it’s almost identical to Bladestorm
quaint cedar
I'm fine with it. We have more lockdown than a warrior does, so we can reliably get it off if we plan ahead
Also, you can walk out of bladestorm. You can't do that with spree
shadow creek
True enough
quaint cedar
If they made it CC immune then the damage would probably get nuked and I'd rather have it do damage than be a CC immunity
stoic spruce
what about outlaw pvp talent like this?
Take Ghostly Strike instead amd macro it into Killing Spree and you'll have the best build
quaint cedar
No more using killing spree for a defensive or root break or some other silly utility lol
ngl I hope that blade rush gets moved somewhere else. I'm going to really miss it if it stays this way
always was one of my favorite outlaw buttons
I just love the animation for it and it feels cool to zip from target to target using hook and blade rush together
shadow creek
Ghostly, strike being off the GDC is so juicy
quaint cedar
agreed, very happy about that change
torn stump
Take Ghostly Strike instead amd macro it into Killing Spree and you'll have the ...
seem many people like macro Killing Spree, but I like blade rush.
quaint cedar
I spent hours upon hours in wargame and this is the best sauce
No vigor? You don't feel energy starved?
stoic spruce
Not at all
quaint cedar
Interesting
I felt a bit starved at times on ptr, wonder if I was doing something wrong. And that was with vigor
Did you change your gear at all? Like go haste or anything?
stoic spruce
Yeah I went more haste
quaint cedar
Ahh ok
stoic spruce
Idr my exact stats
quaint cedar
Do you actually use dreadblades? I can't really find a good use for it right now
Or is it just to get to fan and KS?
wary spire
People on the forum are already crying about rogue chances lol.
stoic spruce
Yes actually. It completes the build. So what I found is on opener you AR, RtB, BtE, Ambush/Pistol to full, macro KS+GS, DB and Shadow Dance. I have gotten KS+GS back in less than 10 seconds.
quaint cedar
Oh and minor nitpick on your build Popo, but I think Loaded Dice would be better than sleight. Guarenteed 2 roll on AR is nice and we have AR so often too
stoic spruce
I tested this with 4 set too
quaint cedar
Ohhh interesting. Yeah, I can see DB + dance being a good combo
stoic spruce
I had a reason for not taking it but idr
quaint cedar
How bad is the self damage?
stoic spruce
I'll probably take it
Oh it could kill you
Actually no
Not bad
Not too bad I mean
The DB/KS interaction is so funny though
quaint cedar
Ok. Leeching poison might help a bit with that actually
Yeah, I'd imagine that's a bug but it's also so funny I kind of want it to stay
Wouldn't be outlaw/combat if it didn't have at least one way to kill itself right? lol
stoic spruce
Lol yeah
Yknow, if you told me that outlaw would be opening with BtE, I'd call you all sorts of things.
quaint cedar
Crackshot is seriously one of the coolest new talents outlaw has gotten
I love it so much
It actually solves one of my problems I've always had with outlaw too, which is that it takes forever to set up. When you open from stealth you really aren't ready to send damage until like 10 seconds later, which feels weird for a stealth class.
stoic spruce
Have you tried the tier?
quaint cedar
Now you can just send it with BtE right away
quaint cedar
Yeah, I tried tier. Wasn't paying too much attention to it though tbh
stoic spruce
Is good
quaint cedar
Yeah, I love that it's a buff on the rogue now. So much better
stoic spruce
Everything is coming up Outlaw
stoic spruce
Some friends of mine
quaint cedar
Agreed. New changes are so fun. I know some people were hoping outlaw would get simplified a bit, but I'm all for it. Give me all the tools to play with.
I like outlaw being complicated. Specs like fury warrior put me to sleep. Can't play them.
stoic spruce
Yeah I like how punishing Outlaw is if you button mash.
You'll see big damage drop off and lack of energy if you press random shit lol
quaint cedar
Right. I think that's a good thing.
I love how the new talents lean into this even more. You're rewarded for planning ahead.
wary spire
You'll see big damage drop off and lack of energy if you press random shit lol
I'll stick with assa then lol.
quaint cedar
I keep screwing up on ptr and pressing BtE before dance. I like that I actually have to think about when to press it now. Before it was mostly just "use on CD" if you played GSW
Setting up burst windows with the new talents is just so satisfying. I can't get over how cool it is
Dying for 10.2 to come out now lol
stoic spruce
I don't even want to touch rated pvp until next patch
quaint cedar
Good thing I already got my duelist illusion
Definitely going to be spending a lot of time in ptr
With these changes, outlaw is actually going to be fun in shuffle for once. Right now on live it's so frustrating. I feel like in some lobbies I have 0 control over the outcome of the game, because I have no burst. If people don't press defensives and die in 30 seconds, I just end up auto losing every round
Having burst is going to be huge
waxen meteor
I don't even want to touch rated pvp until next patch
Lol I am doing opposite just running all different specs at no pressure
It’s kinda fun I finally got to know some specs in detail
teal silo
did anyone record outlaw on dummy or something?
waxen meteor
Like I finally understand why marksman kills people in 2 globals
teal silo
saw palumor testing sub earlier
white gazelle
New Talent: Sudden Demise (Passive) – Your Bleed damage increased by 10%. Targets below 35% health instantly bleed out and take fatal damage when the remaining Bleed damage you would deal to them exceeds 200% of their remaining health. this just guna insta kill people who hit like 20% health with fresh bleeds up ?
jolly sierra
tested that
yeah u gave persons strokes
and fucking dies
the problem is to test this stuff, u need a healer in ptr to give a shot
and see how viable it is
still need more endurace
BTW dropped DTB dmg is fucking shit with a 24% proc rate
(checked it in last night with Delussional Pirate)
rule of thumb
if internal bleeding wins in overall dps against deadly poison then is fucking shit
chrome schooner
New Talent: Sudden Demise (Passive) – Your Bleed damage increased by 10%. Target...
right now on ptr, yes
as long as they are below 35, if at any points your bleeds exceed 2x the % they are at, they insta die
And considering Rupture applies IB, that you have the newly remade Exsang, etc etc, it's not actually that complicated to make it happen at the moment
jolly sierra
why would it be a bad thing
dunno, tested DTB w the nerf and was really disappointed after checking the recount
usually deadly poison is one of the highest sources
waxen meteor
probably next seaon would be AP and sudden demise
inner tartan
next season how will outlaw be looking like ?
chrome schooner
I mean
Doing a build rn is sort of pointless as the trees are very, very likely to change
jolly sierra
sudden demise is good af, when i played against Delussional Pirate the guy got 190k strokes insta
chrome schooner
But if I should give you a build right now, let me see
jolly sierra
oh thank you
im thinking in leaving feedback ingame anyways, still feels the lack of defensives
waxen meteor
Yeah defiantly it doesn’t guide next season at all atm
jolly sierra
even with double feint
waxen meteor
Tons of change would income I guess
jolly sierra
hope so
waxen meteor
And it doesn’t make any sense in rogue tree to force us picking another poison before wounded
waxen meteor
Especially for non dtb and sin rogue
chrome schooner
Assuming you play Deadly/Crippling and Hemotoxin as your only MS since Shiv will be so powerful and all your kill windows will be revolving around it
If you want Wound instead then you take the point from Tight Spender to put into Improved Wound
dusky quartz
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DANFVUVBVBUVViRFCA...
damn how can i find keybinds for all this shit xd
chrome schooner
Also i am not sure whether Deadly Precision is worth keeping over Virulent Poisons if you play Deadly, I kinda put it by default since it makes Garrote and KB crit more for big dam on top of the added CPs from other builders, but maybe with only 5% taking more poison damage is better idk
jolly sierra
lets see
chrome schooner
Also i'm thinking Indiscrimate Carnage could be very, VERY good, especially with shiv being AoE 30% more damage now
But that means taking a point from Kingsbane or SBS, which are both really good looking
torn stump
have a question, about outlaw pvp, which one better Lethality or Vigor?
chrome schooner
Also, if CT ends up being too OP, (as it looks strong rn from what I was told)
jolly sierra
Assuming you play Deadly/Crippling and Hemotoxin as your only MS since Shiv will...
looks very interesting considering u were against kingsbane in past
as i check the tree
chrome schooner
Then maybe you take the points away from Vicious Venom and Fatal Concoction to put into Thrown Precision, Crimson Tempest, and Flying Daggers
And if you do that then Deadly Precision is probably better than Virulent Poisons since you won't have the second Poison amp from the Assa tree idk
chrome schooner
looks very interesting considering u were against kingsbane in past
I was never against KB per se, I like the spell
Simply, I was against picking it over DTB as DTB is way, way better right now
jolly sierra
I was never against KB per se, I like the spell
in prepatch u said was way too counterable
chrome schooner
Yeha well, there were better options
jolly sierra
or something like that
stoic spruce
have a question, about outlaw pvp, which one better Lethality or Vigor?
I haven't found vigor to be as useful as imagined. During testing I was energy starved at all.
jolly sierra
my memory is not that bad haha
chrome schooner
It doesn't mean it's bad in itself, just if you have better, then I'll be against it because it's not the best :p
stoic spruce
And I tested for hours and hours
chrome schooner
But right now since you WILL go for Arterial Precision as it's way too broken
KB is just one extra point for a good strong cd
jolly sierra
shivs seems strong af rn
chrome schooner
even if it gets somewhat countered, it's free dmg that prompts defensives for just one oint without going out of your way for it, unlike in prepatch
yes, shiv is back to its late sl version
does everything
jolly sierra
well, agree in that
chrome schooner
coffee in the morning, too
jolly sierra
kek
chrome schooner
Back to the Kidney Shiv meta
But since the CD will be 30s
It means you can't use the 2nd charge like an imbecile anymore
jolly sierra
F
chrome schooner
You can only ever Kidney Shiv, and never use the 2nd charge
chrome schooner
Because only the 2nd charge will allow you to get a Shiv on the next Kidney
jolly sierra
maybe w cheap shot?
chrome schooner
Yeah MfD will have to be used different
You want to keep it for huge damage as it gives 15% extra
chrome schooner
Exsang is off global
So
What you can do
You wanna do a go, right
Kidney
Shiv
And then you press the macro
BADGE EXSANG KB
stoic spruce
Oh I wonder if Outlaw will play CD trinket. I should test that later
chrome schooner
MfD Envenom
jolly sierra
and the guy starts panicking
jolly sierra
= D
stoic spruce
Love to see it
jolly sierra
gotta test more tho, maybe w SS
jolly sierra
poison bomb is now flexible it seems
chrome schooner
It gets buffed from other sources though so maybe it's not a big deal
jolly sierra
i was dropping it yesterday when i tried to test DTB
torn stump
I haven't found vigor to be as useful as imagined. During testing I was energy s...
so is it mean Lethality better?
torn stump
and which one better Leeching Poison or Cold Blood?
stoic spruce
This is what I ran. Happy to answer questions.
I just found Cold Blood to be another bind I didn't want to press.
tribal badger
CB isnt particularly valuable to outlaw
we dont have any single very hard hitting spells to use it on
plus a naturally high crit rate
even without the stat
minor cape
i think some take it even now but im not sure why
stoic spruce
and which one better Leeching Poison or Cold Blood?
Leeching
torn stump
thanks
stoic spruce
Buff CtO
stoic spruce
DHS?
torn stump
at the same conditions
stoic spruce
What's DHS
torn stump
What's DHS
sorry, it is DPH
stoic spruce
What's DPH lol
torn stump
damage per hit
stoic spruce
Ahh
I don't think I remember
I'm about to log on and test stuff again though
Damage is good though. Not actually obscene at all.
torn stump
Dispatch & BtE & Killing Spree, what is their proportion?
stoic spruce
That's in 10.1 gear though since 10.2 pvp gear isn't available.
I don't remember
BtE is the highest if I remember correctly
halcyon timber
P P S L A M is all that is going down
stoic spruce
Hehe yeah
torn stump
GS+KS have a problem, 35+45 energy, Are they worth 80 energy?
stoic spruce
Ye
halcyon timber
Definitely man, gotta be on meth if you think its not
torn stump
how many dmg are there in GS+KS?
halcyon timber
Target takes 15% from you and off gcd
torn stump
I know that's so good.
halcyon timber
It’s filthy af
stoic spruce
GS+KS have a problem, 35+45 energy, Are they worth 80 energy?
That's why I said mind your energy lol
halcyon timber
Don’t min max too hard or you’ll ruin the game for yourself like the pve channels
stoic spruce
You can take vigor if it's giving you problems
Yeah
They never look like they're having fun
stoic spruce
Lol
torn stump
I think better make Blade Rush single, and Dreadblades+Ghostly Strike 2choice1.
stoic spruce
Ptr is happy though
tribal badger
but thats averaging in ur rtb buff that buffs bte
stoic spruce
I think better make Blade Rush single, and Dreadblades+Ghostly Strike 2choice1.
If energy is an issue, go for it home slice
Killing spree feels like that first scoop of ice cream from a brand new tub of ice cream.
stoic spruce
Why yes I would like some cookoe dough with my killing
halcyon timber
XD yeh man
Effing crazy man
From ptr though it seems we arent ridiculous though
Seen warlocks and dh and other mindless banana brains destroying stuff w the new talents they also received etc
stoic spruce
The damage was comparable to everyone else
torn stump
If energy is an issue, go for it home slice
I think Ghostly Strike better 25energy and no longer awards 1 CP.
and Killing Spree maybe 35energy, maybe nerf a few dmg.
35+45 is high costs.
halcyon timber
Hard pass fool
stoic spruce
Nothing does damage worthy of nerfing though
halcyon timber
Higher cost = allowed to slap someone’s face off again
Low cost = toddler ball tapping people only to get punted after
Not shit “needs” to be nerfed
stoic spruce
Some talents do need moving though
halcyon timber
Found something?
halcyon timber
Like i see what the pve kids were getting at but f that, there should be choices and they can’t have everything
Nerf tea and problem fixed as well
stoic spruce
ah wait nvm
torn stump
Higher cost = allowed to slap someone’s face off again
if it can low cost will better.
halcyon timber
Nah man lol
tribal badger
why
halcyon timber
Makes zero sense
tribal badger
its nice having heavy hitting spells with higher costs for a "burst" window
we already spam low cost zero damage buttons constantly
its supposed to give you a momentary change from that
stoic spruce
this area felt weird but I didnt realize you can take Summarily Dispatched into KS if you dont want DB.
but you have to take CtO though
tribal badger
I mean you'll need to take DB or the BF talent anyway
stoic spruce
yeah
tribal badger
ur not gunna wanna play without fth in any capacity
stoic spruce
im just saying in general
tribal badger
kinda sad thats not more centralized in the tree but u cant have everything ig
halcyon timber
Grandpa Eridian is gonna tell you a tale as true as the night sky, before the sundering, before the legion invaded a 3rd time…. Rogues did damage. We kicked people in the pp and abilities actually hurt and cost s lot of energy
The end
stoic spruce
why fan the hammer is this low in the tree baffles me tbh
tribal badger
its a strong talent
central to basically every outlaw build
low makes sense, but being so far off to the side
is what i dislike
shoulda just been a capstone honestly
languid ravine
And considering Rupture applies IB, that you have the newly remade Exsang, etc e...
new exsang will have 0 interactions with Sudden Demise
halcyon timber
Really cool exsanguinate has 2 effects
halcyon timber
And the execute was a really cool idea and hopefully doesn’t get tuned to be crappy crap
languid ravine
yes you get bonus damage when it ticks
its completely unrelated to your total bleed values
stoic spruce
this set is growing on me. Giving me Fall/Halloween vibes.
languid ravine
cuz it duplicates the dmg there
oh wait so when they bleed out instantly do you like spend 200 energy instantly to get big bonus?
jolly sierra
oh wait so when they bleed out instantly do you like spend 200 energy instantly ...
no that exsang effect lol
languid ravine
what exsang effect lol
languid ravine
what the fuck did I say
does exsang procc when your rupture for example bleeds out instantly from sudden demise?
languid ravine
and then what
jolly sierra
duplicate 100% my dmg
tribal badger
i think blackguard is asking if the damage inc from exsang is calculated in the execute from sudden demise
like is it taking the future damage from bonus bleed ticks from exsang to calculate 200% of targets hp
languid ravine
are you on PTR right now? what the fuck does exsang do
tribal badger
increasing the execute range dramatically
jolly sierra
lemme check again
languid ravine
the wording lets me believe that each tick will suck out 10 points of your energy bar to deal double damage
as long as you are above 100 energy
tribal badger
thats the passive version yes
the passive version is a bit problematic right now as you basically cant go over 100 energy
it sucks energy up way faster then u can generate it
the active version is more playable
chrome schooner
It sucks it exactly as fast as Venomous Wounds gives it back
languid ravine
passive gonna be more of a PvE cleave thing then?
chrome schooner
Which means you gain energy as long as you hold globals
jolly sierra
it duplicates active dmg everytime bleeds ticks
chrome schooner
But if you spend, you spend
tribal badger
really did something change from whispyrs pin?
i havent tested it myself but whisper said u basically cant get above 100 energy with the passive version
languid ravine
yea makes sense because energy gain from bleeds is = energy spent from exsang
tribal badger
u should test if the bonus tick damage is being calculated in the execute
see if it goes off at different thresholds for a single bleed with exsang vs without
languid ravine
yeah I was wrong, exsang should interact fine with sudden demise
jolly sierra
look
languid ravine
nah threshold is gonna be the exact same
tribal badger
if it does thats very strong
languid ravine
same threshold, double the overkill damage
jolly sierra
then the guy had 95k hp remaining
if ur bleeds can do overall 190k then do that amount
(active ones)
halcyon timber
Dingdingdingding
jolly sierra
DINGDINGDING
languid ravine
Round Two! FIGHT!
tribal badger
I am not following, are you saying it scales with it or it doesnt
i assume you are saying it does
jolly sierra
it scales
tribal badger
👍
halcyon timber
ROGUE INTENSIFIES!!!
languid ravine
seems to work as intended
imagine saying that about a blizz feature
and it is not a stealth breaking bug in the game for half a year
languid ravine
yeah but no 2set and maybe no vanish cdr :^)
halcyon timber
Im really happy with how shadow blades and techniques was changed. Made it way smoother.
Stab stab instead of lurking like a hobo in a wendys parking lot
jolly sierra
and it is not a stealth breaking bug in the game for half a year
bruh im still butthurt
fucking shit how tf they never fixed it
im going for next tier to orgri
minor cape
Im really happy with how shadow blades and techniques was changed. Made it way s...
blades is sick
imagine blades being useful for something besides shadowstrike
jolly sierra
oh new trophies of strife
minor cape
this worldpvp?
or you mean trophy of conq
also will there still be that fucking sparks quest?
jolly sierra
dunno im checking the tier rn
jolly sierra
im checking its stats
im sorting by most to least in distribution
my writing is fkn shit
but those are the stat spreads for now
im taking off my shitty gear
wary spire
I'll take the vers/cum pants please and thank you.
minor cape
the real ones have cum pants irl
sour charm
my writing is fkn shit
So wait, all the stats are just bad again?
minor cape
jolly sierra
So wait, all the stats are just bad again?
seems like
sour charm
I mean I was huffing copium and played with like 21% crit on assa this season
minor cape
no more mastery stacking?
sour charm
But with the rework it is even more mastery heavy
minor cape
or its just asa
sour charm
Could run like gloves/shoulders or helm I guess, depending on just how much vers we get on the PvP gear
I would be very surprised if they keep the versa budget on pvp items as high as it is currently
we are already well past the DR point
jolly sierra
i need to test more the bonus 4
tribal badger
tf is wrong here
just very undertuned i think
what do u think is wrong, seems like its just missing a zero to me
jolly sierra
what do u think is wrong, seems like its just missing a zero to me
something like that
or maybe two
heh
tribal badger
idk 16k damage onto envenom is like
another full cp consumed or more right
plus it aoes
160k sounds like a bit much
jolly sierra
lemme see
maybe is a typo issue
alright something to consider
the 4set indeed hits by 1600
XD
im copying my retail pvp addons
quaint cedar
why fan the hammer is this low in the tree baffles me tbh
Yeah this is honestly my biggest complaint about the new outlaw trees. FtH should be after the first gate, somewhere in the middle. It is central to any outlaw build. You can't make a viable build without it.
Also makes leveling an outlaw rogue so painful. Even on live it's in around the same spot and it takes until like lvl 50 something to get it
I barely made it through leveling my 2nd outlaw because it was so miserable to play at low levels
tribal badger
yea i mean
sub is always da wae for leveling
stealth > teleport for free with shadowstrike > shadowstrike > finisher > mobs dead > restealth
infinite teleports in questing content
jolly sierra
kingsbane hits like a truck wtf
halcyon timber
blades is sick
Yeah its an actual cool down now, multi purpose and hateful stabbing so im happy man
Driving home boys, catch up in a few
halcyon timber
Cursedaf image
jolly sierra
Cursedaf image
face reveal
halcyon timber
LOL
halcyon timber
kingsbane hits like a truck wtf
NurF rOGuEs NoT aLLoWeD tO dO dMg
halcyon timber
Always report and test with honesty
This is the first iteration and realz already said stuff was going to change when we talked to him the other day.
jolly sierra
yeah seems like ghostly strike isn't gone yet
chrome schooner
IC with a Shadowdance build could very well not be "dead af" !
jolly sierra
IC with a Shadowdance build could very well not be "dead af" !
excuse me, but im consider IC more in a RBG context
hitting everything with garrote and rupture at least for me was crazy af, but after dropping to 3, damn, that hurts
btw, will shadow dance be viable in assa?
halcyon timber
yeah seems like ghostly strike isn't gone yet
Dunno if it will, gs being off the global and buffed looks pretty sick no different than our old friend sanguinary vein
Ks being a finisher is one of the filthiest things it seems. Good for outlaw kids man, glad they got a crap ton of toys now
waxen meteor
Regardless the wounded poison part needs to be addressed for all specs
chrome schooner
So AoE should be ok
halcyon timber
Imp wound
Im a fan of blackjack moving up as it did.If blind worked on it as advertised then it wouldn’t bother me much w wound
pale storm
jolly sierra
ppl is whining hard for CT in forums
jolly sierra
halcyon timber
Uncool (tomatoes from ssx tricky on the screen)
What do you propose be altered again?
jolly sierra
halcyon timber
Thebdirect damage seemed solid
jolly sierra
jolly sierra
the wat
halcyon timber
Read on that yesterday and thought it sounded cool
halcyon timber
Theres an acidic splash talent type deal you guys got
halcyon timber
Seem cool?
chrome schooner
No
halcyon timber
Dang
jolly sierra
internal bleeding is hitting very hard
chrome schooner
And not IB triggers on Rupture as well, so you really want it
jolly sierra
compared to current iteration
halcyon timber
Good
halcyon timber
No blinks an eye when dragon flap their butt cheeks in taco bell breath and nuke a team
What’s the set do for you guys?
Is it sick?
jolly sierra
also, seems like the 2set when overlaps each other in stacks it replaces even buffs with higher stacks
for example if u got 7, then 15 and u spend energy again u can drop to 5 stacks, even if u have not its effect over
sec
halcyon timber
K
jolly sierra
im talking rn about the 2set effect
the 4set is dissapointing af rn, for me it hits like by 1600 with 60% mastery baseline
halcyon timber
Sound’s bugged
The 4 set doing 1600? Jeeze
Sounds like a mini poison bomb
Is it guaranteed to explode as in the tooltip?
Sounds cool but yeah i see how that is frustrating
halcyon timber
Dk looks filthy. Good for them man
halcyon timber
Small bonuses are nice i guess. Would rather have strong core kit than being reliant on tier or gimmicks.
Lotsa plate, i def prefer light armor and shiz to be swift.
The new rogue gear is still cool but I’ll still mix and match though.
In like the side guards and the vials on it
jolly sierra
that fucking mask
waxen meteor
i don't like that look tbh
jolly sierra
who tf did it with the colors
jolly sierra
I queued into Nahj
ended changing the build from last time we dueled
vocal surge
and their healer didn't join
jolly sierra
XD
halcyon timber
that fucking mask
Green goblin dk nose xD
halcyon timber
<:peeposcared:879405496199704607> i don't like that look tbh
Agreed but it is what it is, that’s why we have transmog heh.
jolly sierra
Green goblin dk nose xD
che
vocal surge
ngl
its a lot harder
to play Outlaw
lol
With crackshot
but when you do catch a team out with it
you pop off
sour charm
Tfw Deadly Poison still isnt a passive that works on every lethal poison
halcyon timber
XD
queen geyser
I'm cool with Outlaw still having a higher skill floor
Keeps the FOTmonkeys off the spec
vocal surge
Ye
You still do a lot of damage
if you miss the Crackshot window
but if you can pull off
THAT window
vocal surge
queen geyser
You stacking GS/MFD with it?
halcyon timber
https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-insane-cat-help-my-cat-is-insane-help-my-cat-ca...
Lol
vocal surge
Nah
jolly sierra
Tfw Deadly Poison still isnt a passive that works on every lethal poison
bring deadly brew back
halcyon timber
Crackshot is cool af from the tooltip
quaint cedar
Keeps the FOTmonkeys off the spec
Agreed. The worst thing would be to have everyone fotm rerolling
vocal surge
Yeee
halcyon timber
Forum npcs are terrible
jolly sierra
what did they said now