just spam more feints
#pvp
jolly sierra
potent pivot
yus
wary spire
That new exxag is going to make a tea addict out of me.
languid ravine
you can always pick the active one 
halcyon timber
Mfd me likes
waxen meteor
New Talent: Sudden Demise (Passive) – Your Bleed damage increased by 10%. Targets below 35% health instantly bleed out and take fatal damage when the remaining Bleed damage you would deal to them exceeds 200% of their remaining health.
Smells like a nerf in pvp
sour charm
Pillaring is fine. I just don't want Assas "gameplan" to be tripple dot and run with passive exsang
languid ravine
remember its not even remotely the same exsang, its almost the opposite
jolly sierra
wasnt this exsang intended to work baked?
spring bough
New Talent: Sudden Demise (Passive) – Your Bleed damage increased by 10%. Target...
bro sounds like touch of death as a passive holy crap
jolly sierra
i say, having both the cd and the passive
jolly sierra
New Talent: Sudden Demise (Passive) – Your Bleed damage increased by 10%. Target...
ur target will cum to death
languid ravine
jolly sierra
hmm
maybe will ask shadenox in youtube for his thoughts for rework
lets see what he thinks about assa
spring bough
i love it they look amazing the passive BTE also triggering dispatch when used from stealth sounds like a banger
and it having no CD
GG
quaint cedar
I hope that our damage is going to not feel too terrible into plate. It already does even with find weakness...
spring bough
time to take the 4x critical damage BTE talent
quaint cedar
yeah some of the new talents sound amazing
Does this one work? Do we know how it interacts with subterfuge?
spring bough
dont know about the last question if it doesnt subt is dead lol
halcyon timber
https://tenor.com/view/gaviscon-kingdom-come-gif-22075003
Gdi lol
quaint cedar
yeah no reason to take if with that talent
waxen meteor
Is it just me or the language is written in a weird way
halcyon timber
This is so fuckin filthy dudes
halcyon timber
Does this one work? Do we know how it interacts with subterfuge?
That’s sick af , that’s subterfuge on the last line for free
potent pivot
there's 2 exsang talents
halcyon timber
Yeh
potent pivot
1 passive effect, 1 active effect
waxen meteor
What does it mean by the skills consume 10 energy to dup dmg
potent pivot
every time the dot ticks it takes energy from you
languid ravine
Does this one work? Do we know how it interacts with subterfuge?
additional 3 seconds + additional 3 seconds = additional 6 seconds
potent pivot
instead of giving you energy
languid ravine
hopefully
quaint cedar
that would be insane
halcyon timber
Mc’test that shit
stoic spruce
nose mask?
quaint cedar
just get a shadow dance every time you leave stealth
spring bough
and then stealth helps keep CDs up on so many abilities now lol
stoic spruce
I may learn to do some mythic raiding next patch
wary spire
I'm testing sudden demise out and it's kinda sick.
halcyon timber
Ill do some for the story and whatever. Wanted to but got busy w school
stoic spruce
purple is such a necromancer color
wary spire
Like things die so quickly once they're at 35%.
stoic spruce
lmaoooo
jolly sierra
Like things die so quickly once they're at 35%.
how much damage does it cum?
halcyon timber
We need a pvp voice channel
stoic spruce
I never wouldve thought a rogue would have an execute like ability
jolly sierra
we can steal a general VC dont worry
halcyon timber
Glad assassina got cool shit
languid ravine
how much damage does it cum?
if (your bleeds times 2) is bigger > than 35% of enemy max hp then touch of death
jolly sierra
if (your bleeds times 2) is bigger > than 35% of enemy max hp then touch of deat...
that is crazy as fuck
jolly sierra
one thing to consider
halcyon timber
Prob “wArlock has a chance to kill you” in the notes too
quaint cedar
I'm hyped for 2 feints with float. I want to go back to pre feinting stuns
wary spire
how much damage does it cum?
Bigly
languid ravine
your remaining bleed damage needs to be twice as big as the remaining enemy HP (while enemy below 35%)
jolly sierra
also, just noticed poison bomb is skipable now
jolly sierra
your remaining bleed damage needs to be twice as big as the remaining enemy HP (...
doesnt seems to be too hard to reach
languid ravine
its gonna be super sick for world quests and overworld stuff
spring bough
inc pvp change to 400% for that passive to work lmfaoooo
when sin just dropping people like flies the second they hit 35% lol
spring bough
"bro i hit 35% and instantly died wth was that" checks logs bleeds for 250k lmfaooooooo
potent pivot
inc pvp change to 400% for that passive to work lmfaoooo
i don't think it's going to be that easily triggered tbh
languid ravine
currently my bleeds against pvp dummy do like what 235k
so you would touch of death people at 117k life
and with deathmark even higher
no way that goes untuned
jolly sierra
what bout this lol
silent charm
just made this cheese build on PTR with crackshot. 6 sec of subterfuge x2 with vanish, spamming cooldownless BtE out of stealth after getting full CP from adrenaline rush lol. and this is with full mastery gear from S2.
so no crit at all
or really any other damage modifiers
wary spire
spring bough
i feel like the ambush talents gonna be needed still sounds like we gonna be in stealth a lot. would def give up greenskin
jolly sierra
u can have big shivs alongside ambush spamming
while the guy gotta cum from assa ToD
maximum pressure
silent charm
i feel like the ambush talents gonna be needed still sounds like we gonna be in ...
yeah i just got rid of them because i was using BtE out of stealth and during subterfuge so it seemed like a waste to just have ambush on my bar for the out of stealth procs, when in reality going for the 10% reduced energy cost on finishers over the extra 1 cp from ambush seemed more worth it for this specifically
wary spire
what bout this lol
Zildyck's gonna be hard to pass on.
silent charm
in a more balanced build i dont think this is the play at all, but for specifically building to see how much damage i can do in 12 seconds, this was my strat
spring bough
is what im thinking. wanna keep up flurry so SND stays up and dont have to use CPs on that anymore
jolly sierra
Zildyck's gonna be hard to pass on.
yeah but no ideas about what to switch now
spring bough
haste seems like its gonne be big again
silent charm
yeah i think theyre doing that intentionally
since all outlaws stopped running haste completety in DF lol
got enough from take em by surprise and take your cut
spring bough
could prob drop swift, imp main gauche in my build and swap for blinding / heavy hitter
silent charm
but now it has a more direct effect on everything baseline
spring bough
def getting on ptr soon to try that
silent charm
the crackshot build i posted is very rng based though, since its only a 35% chance for BtE to refund 5 cp
if you spend 7cp that is
but if you get godly luck you can spam it lol
languid ravine
maybe try reprimand for back to back BTEs after vanish
I know you guys hate reprimand but :^D
silent charm
doesnt really help the 5 refund though tbh
quaint cedar
is what im thinking. wanna keep up flurry so SND stays up and dont have to use C...
that's pretty similar to what I was thinking of running too
silent charm
with all the CP RNG youd still need to get lucky to land on the right nodes
spring bough
feel like gotta take shadow dance if going upperhanded unless some1 can find away around that
waxen meteor
feel like gotta take shadow dance if going upperhanded unless some1 can find awa...
Shadow dance doesn’t bypass armor for all specs anymore right?
silent charm
feel like gotta take shadow dance if going upperhanded unless some1 can find awa...
shadow dance still requires a lot of the pointless talents we didnt want, and no more find weakness
waxen meteor
Moves to sub tree
silent charm
after the healing nerf
quaint cedar
does crackshot interact with dance?
silent charm
i would assume so
didnt test it
if it does though thatd be insane lol
with the stealth damage buff
languid ravine
shadow dance still requires a lot of the pointless talents we didnt want, and no...
read the new nodes, the useless nodes are replaced with increased damage during dance from subtlety
silent charm
read the new nodes, the useless nodes are replaced with increased damage during ...
oh nice
wary spire
yeah but no ideas about what to switch now
Maybe blindside instead of kingsbane?
spring bough
but the longer youre in stealth now the longer 3 big abilities dont lose seconds on their duration
quaint cedar
I think it does, but hard to tell because ptr is lagging bad for me at the moment
silent charm
my only worry is that 3 sec of dance isnt enough to make an impact when you still need to hit the 7cp
itd prob be clunky
like you get 1.5 bte's at best
wary spire
Like if demise's not nerfed to crap in pvp you'd have to build torwards that.
spring bough
second u dance boom BTE, so no more dispatches finishers for dance lol
since it already triggers with BTE lol
its gonna be so wild i feel like
silent charm
second u dance boom BTE, so no more dispatches finishers for dance lol
yeah but then you gotta get lucky with the CP refund
quaint cedar
yeah but with crackshot it casts dispatch anyways right?
silent charm
otherwise you gotta spend more globals
quaint cedar
or am I misunderstanding?
silent charm
yeah it casts it after
spring bough
yeah crack auto casts a 100% dmg dispatch lol
jolly sierra
Maybe blindside instead of kingsbane?
dont think that could work, deadly poison is still a big damage source
silent charm
just made this cheese build on PTR with crackshot. 6 sec of subterfuge x2 with v...
like on my damage meter here, i didnt actually press dispatch once i dont think lol
spring bough
ambush once or twice back to full CP hit another crack and i feel like its gonne be big damage lol
silent charm
but it still did 301k damage in 12 seconds
spring bough
yeah thats gonna be so fun. does subterfuge stack with upper
silent charm
ambush once or twice back to full CP hit another crack and i feel like its gonne...
ambushes burn energy big time though, and if you invest in shadow dance you might not be able to hit the 2 vigor nodes
wary spire
dont think that could work, deadly poison is still a big damage source
But dragon-tempered blades also got nerfed.
spring bough
cause if those two talents stack its over lmfao
wary spire
So it feels doubly bad to take it.
jolly sierra
But dragon-tempered blades also got nerfed.
ye but how noticeable it is?
potent pivot
ye but how noticeable it is?
30% nerf
silent charm
if you wanna lean into it like UBER cheese levels then yeah shadow dance is the play. but it might not be reliable enough in a balanced build
potent pivot
pretty noticeable
spring bough
ambushes burn energy big time though, and if you invest in shadow dance you migh...
try this build if you on the PTR
languid ravine
read the new nodes, the useless nodes are replaced with increased damage during ...
wait, I lied. The useless ones are now Shroud of concealment cdr and an extra Feint charges I am stupid 
silent charm
try this build if you on the PTR
can you post import code
spring bough
can you post import code
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jolly sierra
if is the case is underwhelming af
and fuck it we are back to BFA levels of wound poison
jolly sierra
fuck it then
potent pivot
something like that
jolly sierra
fair enough
silent charm
so @spring bough the reason i had Improved Adrenaline Rush on my build was cause it gives full CP in stealth
jolly sierra
huh
potent pivot
so not like a total -30%
silent charm
so you can open with BtE
wary spire
12?
silent charm
otherwise you cant
languid ravine
so that shits will proc only 15% of time instead the current 40%?
its 30% + 30% from envenom + you can pick one talent for 5% currently
jolly sierra
wait that is easier to check
languid ravine
so new DTB will be 0% before envenom (??)
potent pivot
wait that is easier to check
its basically -10% total proc i think
potent pivot
so new DTB will be 0% before envenom (??)
no
jolly sierra
so we can settle this fast
potent pivot
i literally just said
languid ravine
is it 30% less of 30%? so like 21?
potent pivot
its basically -10%
wary spire
30% of 40% is 12%.
spring bough
so <@913956782961995796> the reason i had Improved Adrenaline Rush on my build w...
can drop swift slasher for it still should be rocking
jolly sierra
it will proc just 12% of time?
silent charm
got way less lucky with procs
jolly sierra
:l
potent pivot
it will proc just 12% of time?
no...........
stoic spruce
So what's outlaws burst suppose to be? I'm kinda lost on that part.
potent pivot
whatever the % is right now just do -10%
silent charm
So what's outlaws burst suppose to be? I'm kinda lost on that part.
CRACKSHOT SPAM (idk thats the cheese im testing rn)
quaint cedar
dude I love crackshot and new killing spree
languid ravine
whatever the % is right now just do -10%
if LESS means the same as it does in Path of Exile then it means the total application chance gets reduced by the LESS factor
quaint cedar
killing spree CRANKS now
jolly sierra
Man.
Sub's defensives are cracked.
gimme that for assa
languid ravine
so 30% LESS application chance would be multiplied with ALL sources of application
potent pivot
30% of 40% is 12%.
yes but without improved poisons the base chance is 30%
stoic spruce
I need some people to do wargames with
potent pivot
so 30% LESS application chance would be multiplied with ALL sources of applicati...
that part i'm not sure on, whether it only calculates the BASE proc rate, or your current total
potent pivot
because if it's your current total, you lose more % by taking proc increasing talents... which would be... weird... but you'd still net a higher proc rate from those talents... but they prolly wouldn't be worth the points they cost....?
spring bough
ok i got procs that time
what if you drop HO for greenskin whats that look like
vocal surge
Imagine BTE + Killing Spree Combo
languid ravine
it would still be worth because now the talents affect both your standard poison and the DTB poison
spring bough
ok i got procs that time
whats the highest BTE crit on that ?
languid ravine
its basically just blizzards way of saying "hey dtb too strong, lets put a random number and see if it fixes that"
silent charm
what if you drop HO for greenskin whats that look like
that was what i had originally, i actually dont think its that good. i wasnt using pistol shot that much as filler
ambush seemed more reliable for proccing and giving CP quickly
potent pivot
its basically just blizzards way of saying "hey dtb too strong, lets put a rando...
well it was nerfed because you can have DTB+KB now which would be way too borked
silent charm
jolly sierra
ambush will be relevant in assa lol
silent charm
max crit 134k lol
potent pivot
<:WHEEZE:1061649212711915600>
haven't seen you in a while 😤
vocal surge
Aye
I've been no lifeing StarCraft 2
Fully prestiged my Mengsk, Tychus, and almost Prestige 3 on Stukov
and before that
I farmed almost 7 million kills in a SC2 RPG game
I was tracking the amount of kills per game, running for 9hrs 6mins 59s each session
or ~7hrs 36mins irl at Faster Speeed ingame
potent pivot
how tf
vocal surge
For an average of 54k kills per session
potent pivot
isn't that game just flying around spaceships
vocal surge
Yea
potent pivot
vocal surge
It's fun x)
stoic spruce
I'm going to do some wargames with friends and then you'll get some REAL outlaw numbers
potent pivot
:o
vocal surge
I'm going to do some wargames with friends and then you'll get some REAL outlaw ...
what build you running?
Aye
Im also getting ready for UED First Light to release the 2nd campaign
quaint cedar
omg subterfuge and underhanded stack
spring bough
lets gooooooooooooooooo
quaint cedar
6 seconds of stealth abilities
stoic spruce
vocal surge
Pooog
spring bough
this is gonna be such a sick first week of launch before we get nerfed
stoic spruce
I'm not convinced GSW isn't worth it yet because BTE absolutely pops off.
quaint cedar
I wish I could test this with haste gear
stoic spruce
But I will see
quaint cedar
did this just from stealth
wise breach
Okay, trying to put together a non DTB build, and the class tree is already fucked, why can't you pick up Master Poisoner and Improved Wound without needing Numbing/Atrophic
quaint cedar
well 8 seconds ish because I accidentally did an extra ambush and dispatch after it was over
823k total
quaint cedar
what I love too is having improved AR so you can open with BtE
feels sick
didn't use spree in that no
sprees have been doing 150k ish
wary spire
That sounds pgood
vocal surge
how's the energy economy?
quaint cedar
feels about the same right now, even with 2/2 vigor
but I think the intention is we will go haste now
which should make it feel better than live
silent charm
yeah
200 energy is a lot lol
i feel like im either maxed out or completely starved
so having a higher cap is nicer
sometimes that one extra ability to finish someone can be the difference
spring bough
i cant wait to hear all the complaints like we were doing about the paladins
im gonna feed off that lol
gonna make me smash buttons ever harder and delete faster lmaoooo
vocal surge
how much is crippling poison?
quaint cedar
screw that we deserve this
outlaw has been a joke for most of this expansion
let us be good for a change
vocal surge
We were fine at the start
and we dropped off very hard by the end of S1
with not much after
quaint cedar
yeah the nerfs destroyed us
vocal surge
was so close to Elite too
spring bough
its gonna feel like my DK when i just spam death coil and everyone dies
quaint cedar
I managed to get elite in S1 in shuffle as outlaw but god it was miserable
vocal surge
Crippling Poison could baseline reduce mspeed by 72%
spring bough
i hit 2386 in season 1 RIP
vocal surge
I should've continued queuing before the Paladin change
with the new talents
depending how it stacks with the multipliers
quaint cedar
my highest was 2500 something
vocal surge
72% or 70%
spring bough
felt so bad when i lost that lobby at that rating and it just went out of reach after that lol
quaint cedar
never got legend though, couldn't stand grinding shuffle that much
vocal surge
never got legend though, couldn't stand grinding shuffle that much
Try this combo
silent charm
ima be honest this crackshot build kinda feels like shit when you dont get the CP procs from BtE
vocal surge
Master Poisoner + Superior Mixture
for Crippling Poison
and shiv
how much is the mspeed reduction
It could be reducing mspeed by up to 94%
quaint cedar
I've been liking crackshot just with dance and stuff, still feels good
vocal surge
or 84%
silent charm
I've been liking crackshot just with dance and stuff, still feels good
yeah it feels good when its hitting, but ive found myself scrambling to fill CP some of the times ive tested
quaint cedar
honestly ace still seems too low of a chance
silent charm
and trying to react to whether or not it fills
waxen meteor
Is this 10.2 talent tree?
silent charm
yeah ace might not be the move
its the cheese move for sure
but youre praying for good rng
stoic spruce
Is this 10.2 talent tree?
yes
stoic spruce
no
okay
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spring bough
yeah it feels good when its hitting, but ive found myself scrambling to fill CP ...
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quaint cedar
It could be reducing mspeed by up to 94%
tooltip on dummy says 84%
stoic spruce
goodbye bladerush
quaint cedar
72%
stoic spruce
im gonna miss it tbh
quaint cedar
yeah that's my biggest complaint is that blade rush is a bit hard to get
quaint cedar
ohhh I didn't think about that
vocal surge
Since thats an unmodified shiv crippling poison effect baseline applying at a 30% chance
stoic spruce
man I was kinda hoping our burst wouldnt involve shadow dance but at least its something
austere thorn
does crackshot make BTE have no cooldown WHEN cast from stealth or it has no CD at all times?
stoic spruce
when cast from stealth
stoic spruce
yeah thats where you mostly use it
spring bough
what would we have to do to get that modified for it to be free cast, no CD, 7 CP if used from stealth lmfaooo
stoic spruce
I was wondering the same thing lmao
spring bough
get some mage clear cast action in here
vocal surge
Improved Adrenaline Rush
waxen meteor
Wow mass dispel becomes 2 mins cd
spring bough
just had a 229k spree
sounds like im drooling
vocal surge
spring bough
what if we took cold blood and used that for killing spree
quaint cedar
I need this now omg
quaint cedar
well on live cold blood doesn't make the whole spree crit
let me test if that's still the case
spring bough
brooooooooo that would be wild if the whole thing crits
vocal surge
Because Blade Flurry stacks with Killing Spree
imagine how much damage will come out of that
if a team stacks
vocal surge
and mind you
you can Adrenaline Rush in stealth
and it wont lose duration while you're in stealth
spring bough
LOL
vocal surge
blade flurry doesn't lose duration while AR is up
spring bough
this is going to be so much fun week 1
vocal surge
and slice and dice doesn't lose duration
quaint cedar
whole thing does not crit
quaint cedar
just first hit is guaranteed crit
quaint cedar
207k
stoic spruce
you can Adrenaline Rush in stealth
best qol change in 10.2
quaint cedar
40% of the hits crit
acoustic junco
just so you know the cold blood doesn't affect the entire killing spree
quaint cedar
yeah it's huge
quaint cedar
it does
and I think we will go back to crit/haste
for our stats
and dump mastery
vocal surge
quaint cedar
haste reduces the channel time for killing spree too
queen geyser
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/rogue/outlaw/DAORVFFRRVUVJkIBQCEEOVFVFVERBVBRIlBBVDgzzWhWh5hWob As much as I love Killing Spree, I'm gonna give this a whirl on patch day
stoic spruce
all other builds are wrong
quaint cedar
for example, without any haste my spree is 2.8 channel, but if I get haste from alacrity or take em by surprise then it goes down to a 2.55 sec channel
stoic spruce
outlaw shoots non-stop with this build
quaint cedar
should drop triple threat for blade rush
triple threat is useless
it only works on sinister strike
stoic spruce
yeah :/
acoustic junco
...you play it with crackshot and summairly dispatched. it stacks the buffs up
stoic spruce
I bet outlaw plays big haste now
acoustic junco
it's still 20% with stealth modifiers which you want while playing crackshot
quaint cedar
used to be 2/2 talent for 20% chance that doubles with stealth/dance, now it's only 10%
queen geyser
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/rogue/outlaw/DAOBVVVUFEUVRkYFQDBAQOVUV...
ER
quaint cedar
well that's not what the tooltip says
queen geyser
Based tho
quaint cedar
this is what I'm thinking of running
going to go big into haste/crit
ohh I need to test spree with MfD
stoic spruce
ohh I need to test spree with MfD
I tried it. I really like it
quaint cedar
ohhh I kinda like MFD
it still has CDR for outlaw
and it synergizes sooo good with crackshot
stoic spruce
if you want that smidgen of extra cheese, Sting Like A Bee is fun
but you have to get rid of evasion cdr ofc
quaint cedar
would be good probably against casters
you usually don't run float against casters anyways
stoic spruce
yeah
unique bramble
Is there CDR on killing spree? I see it’s a 1.5min cd as a finisher
quaint cedar
yes
stoic spruce
there is
stoic spruce
its pretty generous too
unique bramble
Jheeze. How short can we make the cd with uptime ?
quaint cedar
about 45 sec I think
stoic spruce
I have it for every dreadblade
unique bramble
Damn. So which spec is looking stronger rn with these changes? Assa or Outlaw ?
quaint cedar
how have you been finding dreadblades? I was thinking it would be useless but idk
stoic spruce
oh wait lol. db has longer cd anyway lol
quaint cedar
no idea man, too early to tell
stoic spruce
how have you been finding dreadblades? I was thinking it would be useless but id...
im not sure, as much as I love the ability, I dont think theres room for it
quaint cedar
yeah, I feel like increasing the health penalty to 8% kills it
stoic spruce
my burst windows has ambush refilling all my CP all the time
I wouldnt say it kills it but it does make you more reliant on a healer than before
which was already a lot
the biggest problem is the fact that I have to take Precise Cuts to get rid of Dreadblades AND have Killing Spree
quaint cedar
yeah that pathing is a little weird ngl
quaint cedar
I still don't understand why fan the hammer is so deep in the tree. You can't make a viable build without it
quaint cedar
yes agreed
I'd put it where sleight of hand is
and just delete sleight
and replace FtH's spot with something else
stoic spruce
oh. Dont use shadowdance when BtE is on Cooldown
just a reminder
I thought with BtE having no CD in stealth, it'd reset it.
it does not
https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-druid-form-customizations-datamined-in-patch-10-2-owlbear-cat-raptors-a-fish-334910?webhook what the heck is this?
quaint cedar
yeah I already messed that up lol
going to need to adjust to that because usually I want to BtE before I use dance so I have the debuff up
now I have to wait to BtE until I use dance
vocal surge
Our set bonus for 10.2
quaint cedar
going to take time to not screw that up lol
stoic spruce
Our set bonus for 10.2
I bet CtO would be better with the tier set
vocal surge
quaint cedar
set bonus seems really good
stoic spruce
I need a way to get to vigor because my energy rn is either empty or capping
hello sepsis, time to be ignored
WAIT
thisll be so funny
stoic spruce
OH MY GOD IT STACKS
analog crater
so, since ive out of touch with rogues and we are starting to see the changes they are making for rogue next season, how is each spec looking?
stoic spruce
Outlaw is what you would call "lit"
quaint cedar
wait what stacks?
austere thorn
does crackshot work with dance? since it dispatches with 100% normal damage whenver u dance u just spam ambush - dispatch - ambush - dispatch right
ops
quaint cedar
yes it does
austere thorn
ambush - bte - ambush - bte* I mean
quaint cedar
it's really fun lol
stoic spruce
wait what stacks?
sepsis
quaint cedar
with what?
queen geyser
wait what stacks?
MFD - GS - Nightstalker
Blow someone away with Dance BTE
Ace Up Your Sleeve for potential instant second BTE
stoic spruce
subterfuge and shadowdance
spring bough
dont forget the new prey we have too add 10%
queen geyser
Eeyup
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/rogue/outlaw/DAORVFFRRVUVJkIBQCEENVFVFVERFRBVIlBVDgzzWhWh5hWob Gonna give this a whirl
spring bough
whose getting the 300k crit first lmfao
sounds like KS could if it all crits somehow and u get lucky
wise breach
After messing with it in a duel, Sudden Demise is insane
unique bramble
After messing with it in a duel, Sudden Demise is insane
Tell me more
twin burrow
assa thistle tea dance with KB, AP and sudden death
gg
we get so much i dont see how this is going to work
wise breach
basically if you get someone below 30ish%, they're dead if you reapply an empowered garrote
twin burrow
assa is actually gonna assasinate
wise breach
Trying this for all the bleed multipliers
twin burrow
ya thats a pretty solid path
which exsang u guys like, i think the passive can work if u run thistle side, u have like 300 energy
unique bramble
basically if you get someone below 30ish%, they're dead if you reapply an empowe...
So you’d have to save a vanish to get the instant kill on 30%?
wise breach
I think I prefer the active one
wise breach
Vanish or meld
wise breach
Do you go dance now?
wise breach
What do you skip, ER?
unique bramble
dance is so worth it
All our dmg revolves around bleeds rather than ambush & envenom so this is shocking to me
twin burrow
stoic spruce
I was so high on Outlaw I forgot the other specs existed and I was like "yeah tf? Of course you take it" lol
twin burrow
you dance for stuns and garrote
.>
and dance is a damage multiplier and a defensive for regen
u dont need MFD as assa
dont need CB
ER > dance? not for me
i didnt play ER s1 as assa
and was top 50 for a bit on ss
i was 1 of 2 top 100 rogues not doing it
quaint cedar
dude I'm too stupid for new outlaw I keep pressing bte at the wrong times now lol
unique bramble
Why isn’t anyone complaining about the fact we need to pick numbing/atrophic poison in order to buff wounding poison
waxen meteor
is this ptr or is there a talent calculator somewhere already
analog crater
does new outlaw play quite a bit different then current outlaw? just getting back into my rogue and dont wanna waste all this time learning things if its gonna change completely once the new patch hits.
quaint cedar
the basics are the same but you actually have a burst you can do now
and it requires some planning, you can't just mindlessly smash stuff
steep loom
Lol. Me and a guildie goofin around and this is all the procs+autos from 1 killing spree
vocal surge
with Blade Flurry?
steep loom
had a grand melee roll
so 10% more, and sting like a bee +10%, +gs 15%, and dance +15%
quaint cedar
lol
pliant spoke
booo another slitherdrake glad mount
quaint cedar
I can't get over spree doing so much damage
steep loom
its so ridiculous
just make sure u dont accidently press it when dreadblades is up
cause then its kill me spree again
wise breach
Why isn’t anyone complaining about the fact we need to pick numbing/atrophic poi...
I suspect that's going to get changed, I made the same observation earlier too
steep loom
and each strike counts as 1 lol
quaint cedar
and pressed it at 2 cp lol
queen geyser
Why isn’t anyone complaining about the fact we need to pick numbing/atrophic poi...
It sucks but I'd rather go down the path of nimble fingers anyway
vocal surge
Killing Spree burst is so good
quaint cedar
this is everything I wanted from the rogue update
more utility
more choices
and outlaw has BOORST!
queen geyser
It ain't even next patch
spring bough
bout to start using it on live more get used to it LOL
analog crater
is shadowdance still gonna be part of the outlaw main build?
quaint cedar
I think it will be but still early yet
we have more things that can interact with dance
mostly underhanded and crackshot
so seems very worth
tribal badger
ngl
as cool as these changes look
im a bit worred for next patch
how is outlaw gunna deal with plate
i dont wanna go the way of MM where u crush cloth lobbies and do no damage vs plate
they took away FW 
quaint cedar
well I just dueled a prot pally on ptr and slapped him
damage feels completely fine even without FW
tribal badger
i mean tanks all have like +40% damage taken modifiers in pvp
not exactly an apt comparison
tribal badger
i hope they compensate with raw damage
cause it would suck to be like mm
but everything looks pretty exciting rn anyway
halcyon timber
FW is a 10% increase in damage and GS is off the global and does 15% no ?
quaint cedar
why are warrior players so lame
halcyon timber
/shrug
quaint cedar
no one will let me test damage lol
queen geyser
how is outlaw gunna deal with plate
GS/MFD/Sting is my guess
No armor pen but we've got modifier options
tribal badger
sure but those things all also get reduced by plate, im mainly talking like
MM has a lot of modifiers to its damage to do big burst
but that doesnt change that it does like 30% less burst to plate wearers then clothies
because it has no armor pen
FW really helped normalize laws damage vs plate/cloth
esp since outlaw has even higher physical damage breakdown then mm
idk if anyone in the game is a highly impacted by armor as law tbh
analog crater
im looking at murlok, and for outlaw gear it is showing a lot of people with life bound gear, is it better then the conq gear?
halcyon timber
and 15% on GS yeah?
waxen meteor
im looking at murlok, and for outlaw gear it is showing a lot of people with lif...
Conq shoulder has no mastery
waxen meteor
We use a lot of crafted gear this season for mastery
tribal badger
im looking at murlok, and for outlaw gear it is showing a lot of people with lif...
u get more mastery
rogues already pretty tanky
most pvp gear is like 70% vers 30% mastery
crafted is 50/50
halcyon timber
@spring bough in PVP? it should be changed to 5% on players as it was as last patch and the expansions prior.
tribal badger
so they are trading versa for mastery, and damage wise yes its probably better
waxen meteor
For rings yeah
spring bough
<@913956782961995796> in PVP? it should be changed to 5% on players as it was as...
def still the 5% in pvp
halcyon timber
@spring bough right on ty man
waxen meteor
For shoulder conq doesn’t have even mastery
analog crater
ah ok. when is the release date for the next season? may just say fuck it and honor cap and wait to gear until then lol
especially since they are getting the rework
spring bough
why does the outlaw pve build they playing with rn actually look good for pvp lol
halcyon timber
ah ok. when is the release date for the next season? may just say fuck it and ho...
2 months probably man
spring bough
bout to log onto the ptr and try this build lol
halcyon timber
feels pretty smooth all around atm
spring bough
sounds like summarily dispatched works well with crack pot
waxen meteor
I read sub rework probably even a nerf?
And doesn’t solve any problem related to continuous dmg
quaint cedar
lol sounds like we're on the right track then. Pve players know how to parse
Wish I got to duel a plate wearer on ptr before I had to log off
Sucks losing FW but I think the extra burst will make up for it
analog crater
i can copy over my pally real quick if you need it adoring
analog crater
lol np np
halcyon timber
dunno, spamming tea isn't fun
this shit actually is
goremaw's being back is great, new shadow techniques also feels very damn smooth
really would dislike for them to eff it up because mAh ParSe
quaint cedar
I think a big thing for us as physical damage compared to mm is we have better lockdown. So even though our physical damage is reduced by plate we'll still be fine against them because of our stuns
halcyon timber
us pvpers like stabbing things often , sitting around like it's 2005 waiting for energy to come back isn't fun
halcyon timber
10.2 the age of blades
chrome schooner
what is this class tree design that forces you to pick either numbing or crippling to go for master poisoner & wound when you're not assa with 4 poisons
hmm
The rest of the work seems really nice on a first look but this one decision is ... puzzling
queen geyser
I'd swap the position of atrophic/numbing and improved wound on the tree
jolly sierra
what is this class tree design that forces you to pick either numbing or crippli...
oh u are back
jolly sierra
have you decided about a tree already? XD
yeah i was commenting your guide in youtube lol
spring bough
lmaooooo killing spree 1 cast 20 hits is wild
potent pivot
spring bough
dread blades with killing spree? lol
spring bough
GG 8% no joke x 20 hits
vocal surge
I broke the +300k damage
potent pivot
LOL
spring bough
hell yeah lol
potent pivot
Not a bad idea really
pearl warren
but uhhh assa lookin kinda cracked...
potent pivot
Unless you want to give blizz feedback
potent pivot
Everything is looking cracked tbh
pearl warren
i have my contacts 🕵️
my only complaint was outlaw losing find weakness
but it might even out
tbd
waxen meteor
pearl warren
yeah outlaw set is the one true tier set
halcyon timber
yeah and will be nerfed like this season's as well expectantly
tribal badger
knowning sets r nerfed 50% in pvp, outlaws seems real nice
just cause 4set will still give another buff
halcyon timber
so really 25% and 5%
tribal badger
ye
u want sets with effects that arent nerfed 50% because they arent direct damage (like subs current 2set giving symbols)
even if the damage portion is nerfed ur still getting the full value of that symbols crit etc
way better then laws current set also, this new one
spring bough
apparently you can cloak off the KS debuff
tribal badger
magic immunities/removals work yup
its also just an insanely effective defensive
100% stagger for its 2-3s animation and its over 8s
tons of delay for ur healer
halcyon timber
makes sense
spring bough
there is a new boe helm in game thats a flaming skull with demon hunter horns on it. looks like it would go well with out set lol
vocal surge
Take Your Cut bis pvp talent?
ayyo
Welinth
Take Your Cut
is huuuuuuuuge
lmao
spring bough
what one is that?
halcyon timber
pp punch haste time boys
spring bough
time to stack haste in every slot possible
halcyon timber
yeh boy
spring bough
haste/vers fk crit and mastery lol
yeah second i pickup dreadblades and use KS i die lmfao
spring bough
this is gonna be like walking a fine line playing that with KS in rated lmao
not tryna blow cloak on my own ability lol
spring bough
cant do a damn thing on these valdrak dummies without lag lol
halcyon timber
yeah I just went to Zul Dazar
vocal surge
Yeee
spring bough
17 seconds 1.61 million damage
this is wild
212k killing spree, 122k BTE, 221k dispatch (3 hits they all crit), 445k total ambush dmg lmfaoooooo
halcyon timber
can you summarize the way it is working now? How does outlaw flow? explain to my subtlety brain in stabbing words how excited you boys are about shooty shoot time.
I'm happy seeing other rogues happy and that's all tht matters to me man
spring bough
i hit adrenaline, RTB, BTE from stealth, ambush BTE then before stealth wears off you ahve 6 seconds hit dance, ambush, bte, dance ends hit 7 CP KS and its GG thats my 17 seconds
spring bough
im just using the pve one right now without dreadblades since that killed me before lol
lucid citrus
lol
halcyon timber
Hmm murder, best flavor of coffee
spring bough
new fist wep / dagger from this raid looks cool. hope the pvp ones look the same
spring bough
fianlly some good pvp weps elite gonna be chasing
21 seconds 2.29million LOL
240k KS getting there lmfaoo
halcyon timber
Inb4 “we see rogues are having a good time so we fixed that “
spring bough
they better give us our week or two on live before we get any nerfs like these paladins had lmfao
spring bough
yeah this is gonna be wild man i got another 2 milly in 20 seconds on the pvp dummy lol
halcyon timber
What’s this propaganda about shoe trinkets for healers that im getting dmd about
Short
spring bough
if you open from stealth thats 6 second window, dance another 6 and vanish can get 18 seconds of stealth 100% uptime or close to it lol
big burst window XD
halcyon timber
Warlocks got redesigned talents too and discipline good deal
Yeah that’s getting botched man
Bfa prepatch style botching during war of the thorns
spring bough
average BTE crits 118k lmfaoooooo
vocal surge
how are you getting 118k?
spring bough
off 8 casts lol
vocal surge
mines are getting 85k at highest
spring bough
shits wild idk
vocal surge
Ah
spring bough
123k was the highest
2.44 mil was over 22 seconds lol
using the build from the PTR-outlaw pins from Guy lol
CTO seems like it might be huge cause u can get all the RTB buffs up with it since we in stealth so much
blade flurry doing realy good single target damage too lmfao
just had it go for 263k while spree got 211k
last one from me this is wild lol. 9 hits all crits. live is going to be the wild wild wild west
vocal surge
130k dps
spring bough
i didnt even see that lmfaoooo
vocal surge
spring bough
130k ST dps*****
vocal surge
imagine that
spring bough
even more wild lol
vocal surge
with cleave
spring bough
omfg
bro solo is going to get wrecked on launch day i cant wait
just rush into the mosh pit BF and bang lol
austere thorn
Does crackshot work in dance?
spring bough
yes it hella does lmfao
spring bough
CTO def the way cause u get most of the RTBs buff and having that flurry buff is huge
is there something making BTE critt 100% of the time? did another 8 casts all crits
spring bough
ooooo the RTB buff
vocal surge
if I recall correctly
spring bough
ontop of BTE buff so thats what like 80%?
spring bough
and i ahve 20% crit so thats 100%
yup CTO is the way to go never not using it lol
so stay at 20% crit and load the haste and it should be cracked
vocal surge
Wait
what about Boarding Party?
Between the Eyes gives allies within 15yds +30% mspeed for 6 seconds
spring bough
think id rather have take your cut for the haste lol idt id ever give up enduring or veil
spring bough
could do smoke bomb instead of take your cut for the burst kill
vocal surge
it'd be a lot harder
for enemies to reposition
to deal with that speed buff
and catch up
spring bough
thats true that would be kinda crazy
prob be like a continuous 20 seconds of team just running end to end lol
drag someone out and just all converge lmfaoooo
vocal surge
Imagine the wheelchair classes
spring bough
im 3/3 with going 100% on BTE crits lol
this feels crazy lol
thats like 20 + casts and all have crit
gonna need like a jingle alert for when stealth is almost up lol
austere thorn
I thought crackshot didnt work with subterfuge/dance?
spring bough
another 8 more BTEs and they all crit
spring bough
123k seems like the max so far lol
220k spree and did 315k flurry damage too lmfaooooooo
it seems like every time BTE crits so does dispatch too lol
grave basin
sub rogues looking kinda cranked
halcyon timber
pp slam
jolly sierra
dude what the heck
deadly poison procs like shit
impressive, can say DTB def doesn't worth now
vocal surge
name?
jolly sierra
meimei-raszageth
vocal surge
says you're unfriendly
Sub seems alot easier
to do 1v2s
Im in Valdrakken
in front of the pvp area
jolly sierra
eksdee
vocal surge
I can't understand what your saying ingame
vocal surge
Yeah
jolly sierra
lemme see if i have luck
jolly sierra
so i can switch race
vocal surge
192680 damage (1 overkill)
vocal surge
ok
vocal surge
Ooof
jolly sierra
crashed
halcyon timber
hek kek
jolly sierra
we are cooking in ptr
vocal surge
ooof
jolly sierra
rlly
vocal surge
yeah
I didn't even notice you were DC'd
till after 2 Between the Eyes
and you hit 20% hp
jolly sierra
oh
vocal surge
had you in a stun opener
vocal surge
yee
vocal surge
ok
jolly sierra
im here ready to give some strokes