was beautiful
#pvp
jolly sierra
potent pivot
What’s this?
waxen meteor
ret rework was broken, but overall the direction is good
just the numbers are never tested
jolly sierra
What’s this?
seems like warr tier
looks like an uldir plate ripoff
i wonder how will look in pvp elite
jolly sierra
ret rework was broken, but overall the direction is good
still recall vanguardz venting saying it was shit after the tuning before the rework become live
then the guy short time after manages to 1 shot a full geared hunter in a stream
waxen meteor
still recall vanguardz venting saying it was shit after the tuning before the re...
yeah i do recall as well
why do i feel undead mission from new patch exactly the same content as previous expasion ?
jolly sierra
maybe cuz we had darkfallen questline in final steps of shadowlands
waxen meteor
it's 100% the same
potent pivot
seems like warr tier
The warlock tier looks INSANE
halcyon timber
Prob will with more datamining today
halcyon timber
New zone looks sick, def look forward to hanging in the dream a little
languid ravine
Mage finally getting a BEEG HAT to make a Black Mage transmog
halcyon timber
New dragons look sick too
potent pivot
Seems like they’re putting more money into cosmetics finally
halcyon timber
Yeah black mage hat looks sick
potent pivot
It’s about time tbh
halcyon timber
Thought that too, nice ffxiv looking hat
waxen meteor
priest one too
I did priest 1800 this season simply because you said so for this season tier set!
potent pivot
This seasons priest set is godly
jolly sierra
I did priest 1800 this season simply because you said so for this season tier se...
oh nice
well u got a good one there
potent pivot
One of the best sets they’ve ever made imo
languid ravine
doesnt the lock set look a little too similiar to.. current one? :p
halcyon timber
Agreed
waxen meteor
it's good, but it doesn't look like a priest
jolly sierra
imo s2 sets are very nice looking compared to another seasons
and maybe more valuable in pvp
waxen meteor
and it's funny, it took me 200 games as disc to 1800
jolly sierra
still recall how hyped u were
halcyon timber
So if not tomorrow then next week for us boys
waxen meteor
then i arrived 1800 in 30-40 game as SP...
halcyon timber
Nope just late fall i think on road map
Prob mid nov
Ptr is like 6-8 weeks usually?
jolly sierra
tbh
overall from all class tier skins we've got recently in pvp
this one is my favorite one
jolly sierra
i love how it look in pandas too, and usually sets doesn't matches well w them
jolly sierra
looks interesting
karmic summit
Is there a livestream about this atm if there is where is it at?
karmic summit
Ah yes the turkish cant wowhead affix
halcyon timber
Yep
karmic summit
Aight thanks
halcyon timber
No sweat
Solo queue rbgs looks cool
Just rated comp stomp for those who don’t play as a team though heh
wary spire
Wer numbas 
halcyon timber
wary spire
I think mage one is amazing.
scarlet shell
looks like a DnD old wizard
wary spire
Love it.
scarlet shell
shadow wizard money gang
halcyon timber
Sick af
wary spire
We love castin' spells
halcyon timber
Watch dh get eye beam to stun in 10.2
halcyon timber
Monks : wut da hale
waxen meteor
make eye beam stun
halcyon timber
marble oasis
Watch dh get eye beam to stun in 10.2
Might as well at this point
quaint cedar
I mean if a DH isn't constantly putting the entire enemy team on stun DR the whole game then what's the point?
halcyon timber
Eyebeam now grants 100% crit chance for 5 sec after
quaint cedar
I heard DH defensives are pretty weak, we should give them vanish too
halcyon timber
They can f off eternally
marble oasis
Yeh that jump in the air super weak.
waxen meteor
Remove eye beam range, it can hit target of 2000 yards now
marble oasis
Must put them to full health also
halcyon timber
35% dr when doing circus flips is too weak
20% passive dr from having vape tatts is weak
quaint cedar
maybe DH just needs even more damage
marble oasis
Ye 50% more than everyone else isn’t enough 😭
quaint cedar
nope
halcyon timber
Vengeful retreat now has a 60% to dc enemy teams
marble oasis
“Blur is now broken again and dh can dodge from 360degrees”
halcyon timber
Not to mention glimpse already gives them their weapon back
quaint cedar
actually would be cool ngl
halcyon timber
Once upon a time, step gave a FAT 20% increase to dmg on next atk and freed us from roots
quaint cedar
people would get so mad tho lol
marble oasis
people would get so mad tho lol
Bro they get mad we even exist even if we tickled them
halcyon timber
Yeh wish dfa was in class tree and was 20%
A rogue punched me pp! Nerf them blizzy
marble oasis
People just have a born hatred of rogue when they’re good or bad rogue is broken
Mainly due to skill issues meaning they get their shit pushed in.
quaint cedar
Bro they get mad we even exist even if we tickled them
lmao for real
halcyon timber
Tells us everything
marble oasis
People still trinket sap in 2023
All the damn time
stoic spruce
Tbf it's hard not to hate a class that has what rogue has.
wary spire
If a class has nothing to be hated by it's a bland ass class.
stoic spruce
Outlaw vs everyone else
scarlet shell
i have no problem facing rogues, i just walk away from their silly smoke bomb etc
marble oasis
Tbf it's hard not to hate a class that has what rogue has.
Ye bad survivability is a great trait 👀
stoic spruce
That's not what I mean and you know it
halcyon timber
Slappy 25 cent machine hand grabs us out of bomb anyway
marble oasis
That's not what I mean and you know it
Ye i know :p
stoic spruce
Remember when slappy hands gripped us from stealth?
That was unironically funny looking back.
quaint cedar
If people don't hate rogues then the class isn't designed correctly
marble oasis
Give us seperate cheap kidney and stun drs give them something to really moan about
Mwuhaha
quaint cedar
We're rogues, we shouldn't fight "fair"
halcyon timber
Frost mage does
stoic spruce
PvP shouldn't be balanced
halcyon timber
And infernal from warlock does
karmic summit
Give us seperate cheap kidney and stun drs give them something to really moan ab...
If that happens ill moan tbh
marble oasis
Balanced pvp class vs class is always bad.
Classes having strong and weak classes is good.
quaint cedar
or give us back 7 sec kidney lol
quaint cedar
I wasn't there for that, sounds super toxic
marble oasis
I mean i remember when combat could delete people in the air with killingspree but uhm yeh
quaint cedar
maaaan I wish killing spree did things
languid ravine
I m back to going 0-6 in 1600CR lobbies on Outlaw after hitting 2.1 on assa :^) S-tier spec btw 
halcyon timber
Me: Killing spree used to not be a defensive
Ok grandpa! Take your meds!
wary spire
Imagine killing people with killing spree.
quaint cedar
best I can do is 35% DR
halcyon timber
Imagine
scarlet shell
my favorite rogue in this game is gashtooth from the brackenhide dungeon
halcyon timber
An ability called KILLING SPREE be a defensive
scarlet shell
now that it a very dangerous rogue
quaint cedar
makes perfect sense
marble oasis
Get that nostalgia flowing
halcyon timber
Top god damn notch
marble oasis
halcyon timber
I remember when finishers instead of gimmicks did damage
Eviscerate on combat while beating their brains in with fist weapons
languid ravine
oh yea, it is so fucking weird that my Eviscerate often deals less than gigabuffed pistol shots
halcyon timber
I remembered when combat would bruise booty holes and leave change in pockets
stoic spruce
I watched a MOP unholy dk montage and this dude had a disease tick for 6.8k and then the heaviest breakdown happened lol
quaint cedar
I think killing spree should be an execute
scarlet shell
and let me teleport to other targets
quaint cedar
does extra damage to low health targets
marble oasis
I think killing spree should be an execute
Ffxiv ninja limit break. Broo if that was in wow
stoic spruce
I think killing spree should be giga buffed and the damage reduction removed
halcyon timber
Fffffff limit breaks
waxen meteor
Killing Spree did good dmg in tbc 🙂
quaint cedar
when was the last time spree was useful? WoD?
halcyon timber
Yeh
scarlet shell
unironically this
languid ravine
make blade rush deal 100k damage like survival hunter does
quaint cedar
sad to see such an iconic ability be useless
halcyon timber
That’s not fair
scarlet shell
now this is a killing spree i would like
halcyon timber
Wtb gang fking people in the woods like old days
scarlet shell
JUST show us the rogue rework NOW
languid ravine
yeah force Ret paladins to bubble hearthstone 😄
scarlet shell
come on i want to theory craft
quaint cedar
idc about anything else just gib rogue stuff already
halcyon timber
No bs boys , if we have like 5 nodes that buff backstab and evisc. I swear ill crap myself
marble oasis
I want outlaw to be as threatening as combat used to be but for it’s own reason.
The reason for it doing no burst sorta is weird to me.
scarlet shell
there better be some nasty outlaw abilities
halcyon timber
All i want is bread n butter
scarlet shell
give outlaw a massive blunderbuss that shoots in a cone adding a stacking bleed
marble oasis
I joke ablut wanting outlaw deleted and combat returned and that’s the only reason.
Everyone played mut and sub/hemo but see a combat rogue you better prepare your butt
halcyon timber
give outlaw a massive blunderbuss that shoots in a cone adding a stacking bleed
Ironman proton cannnon in marvel vs capcom
stoic spruce
I want greenskin to go back to 300%
halcyon timber
Actual footage of outlaw
quaint cedar
I want greenskin to go back to 300%
this please. 200% is barely noticeable tbh
scarlet shell
i notice GSW, but its not crazy
quaint cedar
well, looking at the details from my last solo shuffle
halcyon timber
I prefer stabbing the shit out of people
quaint cedar
on round 6 my highest pistol shot noncrit was 44k, and crit was 77k
halcyon timber
So the whole thing does 77k?
quaint cedar
this is on my alt rogue which has worse gear than my main, but not by a lot
and this was hitting into cloth/leather
scarlet shell
stabbing the crap out of people is somehow effective.
stoic spruce
How much does it do usually?
I'm not sure if I remember it going over 100k tbh
halcyon timber
I mean we are doing -25% and -5% primary stat now
languid ravine
Put Dreadblade leech nova back into dreadblades!
stoic spruce
I'm not sure if I remember it going over 100k tbh
With gsw
halcyon timber
I'm not sure if I remember it going over 100k tbh
That stinks, does it come up often at least?
quaint cedar
I don't see 100k pistol shots very often
karmic summit
Ayo realz if your reading these if you leak me the tree i wont show it to anybody i promise
quaint cedar
GSW is tied to BtE, which is a 45 sec CD but on CDR, so we have it prolly like every 15 ish seconds roughly
stoic spruce
That stinks, does it come up often at least?
Everytime you use BtE
halcyon timber
Everytime you use BtE
Oh ok thats cool at least
Our man is lurking but he was talking in the ptr pver channels earlier
stoic spruce
Yeah. I think blizz was very heavy handed with the tuning during beta and off season on launch.
halcyon timber
Agreed
quaint cedar
well lucky us, outlaw was doing the most damage during beta so we got slammed hard with the nerfs
quaint cedar
and basically never recovered from it either
stoic spruce
Fdk is still feeling the pain of everything getting nerfed by 50% from 10.0 lol
halcyon timber
Jeeze
quaint cedar
at least outlaw is in a decent spot right now. feels fairly good overall
stoic spruce
Yeah
scarlet shell
keyword decent
stoic spruce
Just one more % buff plz
scarlet shell
the agility from their set is nice, but soul rip kinda disappoints me
halcyon timber
New outlaw weapon
stoic spruce
And by one, I mean four.
scarlet shell
New outlaw weapon
handgonne
halcyon timber
Percy derollo style
scarlet shell
wait no thats not a handgonne
halcyon timber
De rolo
stoic spruce
The duck tail pistol. Aka, the kill everyone-inator
halcyon timber
XD
Pretty sure we are all maining ptr till release eh?
Blizz reports : man we noticed a 5000% drop in rogues on live
stoic spruce
I still have to farm raid mogs on my dk but yeah
I can't find a normal raid group this late in the season
marble oasis
Blizz reports : man we noticed a 5000% drop in rogues on live
5000% drop of zero is still zero
halcyon timber
Can’t wait to see all the fotm kids muck our class up
I hUrD raoGuE wUR goOd tHisTh ThEasOn
marble oasis
I’m just hoping to trust the process.
And pray rogue is still too hard for fotm rerollers unlike ret where everyone with two fingers can play them.
halcyon timber
You don’t need 2 fingers for that
stoic spruce
"NO OUTLAW DOESNT NEED A TALENT REVAMP!! THEY WERE GOOD A YEAR AND A HALF AGO!! NOOOOO DONT GIVE THEM QUALITY OF LIFE CHANGES!!"
halcyon timber
Can Beethoven your butthole across the keyboard
karmic summit
I’m just hoping to trust the process.
And pray rogue is still too hard for fotm ...
I agree with everything other than the ret 2 button comment
Any force applied to the jeyboard will get 1800 ret
vocal surge
"NO OUTLAW DOESNT NEED A TALENT REVAMP!! THEY WERE GOOD A YEAR AND A HALF AGO!! ...
I love that after weeks of not visiting the Discord, this is the first thing I see
stoic spruce
:)
karmic summit
You can drop a anvil on the keyboard aswell
halcyon timber
RozgUes ShUd bE f TiEr . THey r oP
stoic spruce
OH PEEEE OH PEEEEEEE
halcyon timber
Inb4 other classes should get buffs for rogue talent redesign
vocal surge
Rogues: Plays at +200 APM
Other classes: "They're OP!" Smacking keyboard at 50 APM or facerolling their keyboard
marble oasis
50apm damn that high?
wary spire
OH PEEEE OH PEEEEEEE
ROGUES WERE OP TOP TIER SINCE VANILLA THEY CAN BE IN LINE FOR A WHILE
halcyon timber
Lol
vocal surge
They need autopilot to play their class
marble oasis
Thought they only needed to press 5 keys and stuff died
vocal surge
aka addons
halcyon timber
Hunters : we need more offense rapid fire sucks
stoic spruce
ROGUES WERE OP TOP TIER SINCE VANILLA THEY CAN BE IN LINE FOR A WHILE
REEEEEEEEEEEE
vocal surge
Also new warrior set
halcyon timber
Watch weapon chains come back -_-
stoic spruce
Watch weapon chains come back -_-
They did come back. In the form of Blacksmithing knowledge.
stoic spruce
halcyon timber
Remember that cooked shit boys?
stoic spruce
Remember the hunter monkeys from cata?
halcyon timber
XD yeah
wary spire
I still don't get how "but but but the class was top tier in patch 0.69 of Rage Of The Wooptiedoo 2 lightyears ago" is ever relevant.
halcyon timber
Grapple your weapn and fling turds
wary spire
But outlaw suffers greatly from that forum logic.
stoic spruce
Amazing time to be alive
halcyon timber
Its cool 11.0rogues will only be bakers in dalaran and slicing salami in the deli
stoic spruce
I still don't get how "but but but the class was top tier in patch 0.69 of Rage ...
They hate to see a bad bitch winning.
quaint cedar
wooooow
I love getting into a solo shuffle lobby where no one presses defensives and dies in 30 seconds
feels wonderful on a spec with 0 burst CDs
stoic spruce
I HAVE to know what outlaws burst will be
quaint cedar
I lost 50 points for that
halcyon timber
Saw the pve boys getting amped for wits propaganda
quaint cedar
literally lost at the spec selection screen
wary spire
I HAVE to know what outlaws burst will be
Stand back, i'm beginning to burst!
stoic spruce
Saw the pve boys getting amped for wits propaganda
What's that
halcyon timber
Wits was from bfa
stoic spruce
Stand back, i'm beginning to burst!
Hello new macro
quaint cedar
I just don't understand how at 2k+ mmr people still can't press defensives
one of the healers was brand new too
why is he at that mmr???? wtf is this game lol
stoic spruce
2k+ mmr people in shuffle don't understand how they're at 2k+ mmr either
quaint cedar
lol very true
this is exactly why I don't bother with shuffle much
for outlaw it almost feels like RNG whether you climb or not
halcyon timber
quaint cedar
sometimes I can make plays and carry, and sometimes I'm in a group where my spec is just completely ineffective and there's nothing I can do
stoic spruce
My CCs always carry for the most part because the other person doesn't have an interrupt on their bars
quaint cedar
yeah I CC a ton
but what can I do when warrior dies in the first 10 seconds because he won't press parry? lol
languid ravine
for outlaw it almost feels like RNG whether you climb or not
its not RNG it is a guaranteed 0% chance to climb
quaint cedar
I mean it's not that bad
languid ravine
it really is, its completely stacked against you
quaint cedar
I hit 1800 in 60 rounds
just struggling in the 2k range a bit becuase it's so inconsistant
lot of 0-6 dps or 0-6 healers
or just strange lobbies where no one presses anything and dies in 30 seconds and outlaw literally can't be effective in those situations
languid ravine
like all your win conditions are very susceptible to teammate failure, such as dragging games out (me smash) or keeping the cc chains rolling (me smash), swapping effectively (me smash)
I m sure there is more
stoic spruce
Oh you forgot me smash (me smash)
languid ravine
nah, "me smash" is a win condition that does not exist for Outlaw 😄
waxen meteor
marksman farming game sub2000 is fun
stoic spruce
The most satisfying thing to happen to me this season is a priest life swapped with a hunter and I insta swapped to priest and hit them with a phat (94k) pistol shot and landed the killing blow
jolly sierra
me smash is the biggest self win condition
languid ravine
you can if you play my 400 apm 10 combo points per second roll the bones bot build (tm)
jolly sierra
The most satisfying thing to happen to me this season is a priest life swapped w...
happened to me with ww, a priest void shifted w an outlaw and then the wheelchair stunned him and died from a ToD
languid ravine
but can you
stoic spruce
I'd be more embarrassed dying by an outlaw
halcyon timber
stoic spruce
From a 60k pistol shot
halcyon timber
From a 60k pistol shot
Too strong, nerf rogues
stoic spruce
Aye chihuahua
jolly sierra
I'd be more embarrassed dying by an outlaw
technically he did
and guy had a glad mount
halcyon timber
Wtb ambush harming people’s ancestors again
jolly sierra
jolly sierra
Wtb ambush harming people’s ancestors again
once i went to gurubashi as starter acc and a twink rog 1 shotted me w ambush
halcyon timber
Free my boy blindside
jolly sierra
gimme blindside in a higher row and i promise to do god's job
halcyon timber
Wtb optional backstab node costing me 50 energy to slam bladders
languid ravine
dude
jolly sierra
wtb hemo for subs
languid ravine
Secret technique for backstab
languid ravine
clone jutsu backstab -> secret technique finisher
halcyon timber
F gimmicks
languid ravine
why even bother
just give sub rogue 900k burst in two sec
double down!
this is amurrica
california
jolly sierra
im willing to share bootleg garrote w u subs if u borrow me one of ur vanishes
halcyon timber
In nahjs steam our boy was in there and said we are nudging back into that direction (not full swing) but thats good
Not sure to what extent but moving away from 1 ability being the main hero is good
halcyon timber
im willing to share bootleg garrote w u subs if u borrow me one of ur vanishes
Thinking that’s either gone or a choice node w something now
We have like 3 hours left to see if ptr hits
quaint cedar
shuffle life for ya. go 1-5, then next go 5-1 lmao
halcyon timber
If not then it is manana
quaint cedar
ele sham got mad at me on round 5 because I died in a 2 second stun
I didn't even have trinket, dunno what he wanted from me
just got obliterated by the enhance
halcyon timber
quaint cedar
enhance lightning bolt does more damage than my GSW pistol shot RIP
hard garnet
Patch 10.2 adds Battleground Blitz, a solo queue for battlegrounds. It'll lower the max player size and change the pool to only include shorter battlegrounds (10-15 minutes is the target)
halcyon timber
Only does 60% of your life for no effort
halcyon timber
Patch 10.2 adds Battleground Blitz, a solo queue for battlegrounds. It'll lower ...
I dig it honestly
hard garnet
Same
quaint cedar
Another fun fact - lightning bolt does more damage than my 2 minute "burst" CD
halcyon timber
When mr krabbs yelled “so drop on the deck and squab like a fish” he meant rogues
quaint cedar
KiLlInG sPrEe my ass lol
waxen meteor
Another fun fact - lightning bolt does more damage than my 2 minute "burst" CD
I remember nessper was saying this is just an anti root skill now 🙂
halcyon timber
Do more damage flopping down my stairs on my back than that ability
halcyon timber
Another fun fact - lightning bolt does more damage than my 2 minute "burst" CD
This is a warcrime
languid ravine
Another fun fact - lightning bolt does more damage than my 2 minute "burst" CD
my brain was like "wait, can this be true? just two storm bolts? yeah maybe"
thats how little damage Killing Spree does
halcyon timber
Thing is its not on the radar to be upgraded either
Unless things change
Looks cool, i dig the owl cats
jolly sierra
are those owls?
halcyon timber
Yep
jolly sierra
looks like bears
halcyon timber
Armor makes em bigger i guess
New slitherdrake looks cool too
Catalyst is first week too, thats slick
halcyon timber
Yeah looks cool
quaint cedar
if only I could get glad some day.....
halcyon timber
Need a teammmm
jolly sierra
looks like fkn ferrets
quaint cedar
but with pvp this dead, prolly never happen lol
jolly sierra
mixed with a dragon
jolly sierra
season machine broke
quaint cedar
there's long noodle-ly dragons
halcyon timber
Still have them on bnet if they ever came back
quaint cedar
in all kinds of fiction
jolly sierra
ferret dragons
ferret dragons
quaint cedar
I want literally any glad mount
I feel like I missed the train
I started in SL S2 and didn't get glad that season because it was my first ever doing arenas
halcyon timber
Exploit early and often - gladfucious
quaint cedar
and now I can easily get 2.1k every season, but never really can find a team to push with in 3s
I got 2.5k in shuffle last season as outlaw
halcyon timber
What happened to that paladin?
quaint cedar
but just can't find any teammates at all for 3s
halcyon timber
Ur mw friend booked it too eh?
quaint cedar
yeah MW buddy never really hit me up again
halcyon timber
King of dr stunning
quaint cedar
I think once I hit 2.1k with LFG he just decided he didn't want to bother
he's tanked on all his healers too so we're pretty far apart now
hpal idk what happened to him, just haven't seen him on in weeks
lmao yeah
he DR'd EVERYTHING lol
quaint cedar
LOL
halcyon timber
Literally no one else
Yeah my priest buddy, good lord man.
Just yeah
Leaving that alone
quaint cedar
don't blame you
halcyon timber
Have a few that are coming back next season, they just have been busy
Aussie shaman is really good, he just hops on really dang late
jolly sierra
i have a partner too, but the guy went bored and we are going to classic rn
he had like 2k4 xp
yesterday the guy almost died against a raptor 5 levels above him lol
guy was lucky i was just spamming spam in that shit while he tanked
halcyon timber
We get to stab new chickens
jolly sierra
We get to stab new chickens
piñatas
jolly sierra
Ret - Hpal - Surv
bad ending
potent pivot
yeah
halcyon timber
Check the shit
potent pivot
i was about to say
waxen meteor
Check the shit
Portal pls!!
halcyon timber
Mfd is fuckin back
potent pivot
sour charm
If
New Talent: Sudden Demise (Passive) – Your Bleed damage increased by 10%. Targets below 35% health instantly bleed out and take fatal damage when the remaining Bleed damage you would deal to them exceeds 200% of their remaining health.
Works with the dmg dupe from the new exang
Active version: 1 minute cooldown. Garrote, Rupture, and Crimson Tempest consume 10 Energy to duplicate 100% of any damage dealt. Lasts 10 seconds.
Passive version: While above 100 Energy your Garrote, Rupture, and Crimson Tempest consume 8 Energy to duplicate 40% of any damage dealt.
AND it also take the dmg from Zoldyck Recipe into account
AND It also takes the damage from Arterial Percision into account
Its gonna fucking delete people that drop below 35%
halcyon timber
Fient is gonna get nerfed
potent pivot
assa touch of death
sour charm
touch of death at 35%
Sign me up
halcyon timber
Love these changes seriously
If realz reads this, you did an incredible job man and your team too. Great creativity
wary spire
halcyon timber
Aoe kidney is gonna get nerfed
Even though long ass cd
And energy cost
And energy isn’t going to be flowing anyhow
I do like the new pv
wary spire
They keep buffing shivs damage, huh.
jolly sierra
not too bad, exit 33
oh fine
wary spire
Echoing Reprimand now charges a combo point from 3/4/5 (was 2/3/4).
But wai.
sour charm
Also correct me if I am wrong but I see no changes to Vanish CDR
potent pivot
>Echoing Reprimand now charges a combo point from 3/4/5 (was 2/3/4).
But wai.
because the 2 was always pretty annoying to hit
especially when using 2x daggers
twin burrow
21 combo points lets go
wary spire
But going from 2 to 7 was the coolest one...
twin burrow
rogue is the new ww which was the new rogue which was the old game and now were old but we finally got the emerald dream
languid ravine
oh god not haste, I cant even keep up without haste
wary spire
Gotta say i'm very whelmed right now
queen geyser
WE'RE SO FUCKING BACK
wary spire
Sudden Demise sounds so pog
shut solstice
I could cry
karmic summit
i am inlove with legion artifact returning for sub
but suprised no secret technique changes
languid ravine
liking this exsanguinate version a lot
Exsanguinate has been redesigned:
Active version: 1 minute cooldown. Garrote, Rupture, and Crimson Tempest consume 10 Energy to duplicate 100% of any damage dealt. Lasts 10 seconds.
Passive version: While above 100 Energy your Garrote, Rupture, and Crimson Tempest consume 8 Energy to duplicate 40% of any damage dealt.
exotic dove
Assa Changes stick out to me more tbh Liked reading the majority of that the most
halcyon timber
Assassins look sick af
spring bough
yall see the blade flurry blinds more than one target if blinding while flurry is up?
thats gonne be wild for solo
wary spire
We'll have what, 300 energy? Holy
halcyon timber
Yeah aoe blind is sick af
exotic dove
@spring bough I liked reading that too lol
halcyon timber
Don’t nerf that blizzy or ill take a dump in your car
languid ravine
RIP Indiscriminate Carnage though 😦
spring bough
that blind multi target gonna get nerfed so fast with the complaints already see it now
halcyon timber
Fine thet mages db all targets in a cone
potent pivot
F st nerf that shit
i don't think you really want that tbh
exotic dove
RIP Indiscriminate Carnage though 😦
I actually didnt use that all too often maybe I should have
languid ravine
actually wait, new version might be sick for pvp
halcyon timber
i don't think you really want that tbh
Oh i do, evisc should be king period
wary spire
Installing that ptr, wanna poke around
sour charm
AoE Blind and Kidney both sound incredibly cooked tbh
halcyon timber
Whats the duration?
spring bough
for outlaw seeing hook, flurry, rtb, and restless as baseline is amazing
halcyon timber
If rogues aint able to bang in the mosh pit then tools should be solid
potent pivot
Oh i do, evisc should be king period
feel like that's not a good take, but that's my opinion
halcyon timber
feel like that's not a good take, but that's my opinion
Alright cool man
potent pivot
having another viable option is nice
when evis hits too hard we always get nerfed
¯_(ツ)_/¯
spring bough
crackshot sounds like we could have some crazy burst BTE and dispatch hitting at the same time and dispatch hits for 100%? damn lol
shut solstice
WHAT
languid ravine
for outlaw seeing hook, flurry, rtb, and restless as baseline is amazing
on the other hand, those NOT being baseline is like an aprils fools joke
spring bough
upperhanded hitter gonna make BF and SND infinite time too
shut solstice
crackshot sounds like we could have some crazy burst BTE and dispatch hitting at...
??????
spring bough
New Talent: Crackshot (Passive) – Between the Eyes has no cooldown and also Dispatches the target for 100% of normal damage when used from Stealth.
New Talent: Underhanded Upper Hand (Passive) – Slice and Dice does not lose duration during Blade Flurry. Blade Flurry does not lose duration during Adrenaline Rush. Adrenaline Rush does not lose duration during Stealth. Stealth abilities can be used for an additional 3 seconds after Stealth breaks.
those two gonna be amazing i feel like
whose gonna break 30 seconds up time or more for adrenaline lol
BTE buff is now a rogue buff and not a mob debuff that is HUGE
surreal barn
spring bough
bte change gonne be so hot lol
waxen meteor
Nightstalker’s location has changed and now increases damage while Stealth is active by 8/15% (was 4/8%).
Does it apply to dance?
exotic dove
I found this interesting New Talent: Sudden Demise (Passive) – Your Bleed damage increased by 10%. Targets below 35% health instantly bleed out and take fatal damage when the remaining Bleed damage you would deal to them exceeds 200% of their remaining health.
languid ravine
I love that underhanded upper hand, interesting way to reward the cdr engine playstyle
spring bough
deft maneuver inc BF 100% and generates 1 combo point per target struck LMFAO bro we gonna be SWIMMING in combo points
10000% uptime for flurry inc
languid ravine
Dreadblades Backlash damage increased to 8% of current health (was 5%).
spring bough
haste def gonne be the the hot stat too with Killing Spree and the new Swift Slasher basing inc on haste %
shut solstice
I can’t believe they fuckin did it
languid ravine
dreadblades final nail in the coffin
spring bough
DB sounds dead to me 8% is a lot
wary spire
Underhanded Upper Hand sounds like a ganker's dream, lol
spring bough
5% is even alot
shut solstice
I deathwish on my fury. I’m ready to 8% outlaw
spring bough
outlaw is going to be so fun cant wait
shut solstice
What do we even do now. Like knowing it’s going to be so fun makes it feel like ass now
spring bough
im gonna enjoy the buffs we got till then and make these new swords this week
shut solstice
And we let him cook
sour charm
I was kinda hoping for Assa to get some defensive buffs. Then again this is the first iteration with 0 PvP changes so I am still hopeful
spring bough
the double finisher with BTE and dispatch gonna be so fun
cant wait to see some1 get adrenaline to a minute of uptime lol
potent pivot
overall the changes look really good
languid ravine
Shadow blades is now a better Dreadblades without the downside :hmm:
austere thorn
we no longer have find weakness tho
hitting plate is gonna be even more annoying
potent pivot
will have to wait and see how the builds turn out but everything looks like gameplay will be more interesting
halcyon timber
Shadowblades sucked ass before
Us Subtlety rogues have to pool a good bit now like the old days
Anticipation built in in cool
halcyon timber
Definitely
potent pivot
adding more modifiers to finishers AND making every generator give full combo points?
halcyon timber
Yep nerfed
halcyon timber
Same time regen is slower and shit costs a good bit more
potent pivot
goremaws
potent pivot
if you press goremaws energy won't really be an issue for the kill at least
halcyon timber
Agreed
potent pivot
but we'll see how things pan out i suppose
potent pivot
i'm just excited to test new things and actually theory craft again
pvp has been in a pretty solved state all expansion
halcyon timber
First round man
potent pivot
there's some baseline stuff
halcyon timber
Outlaw is gonna be filthy af
potent pivot
nothing to survive more for assa
New Talent: Graceful Guile (Passive) – Feint has 1 additional charge.
^this is a rogue tree change
halcyon timber
Yeah feint will be solid
potent pivot
Deadened Nerves also buffed from 3% -> 5%
jolly sierra
New Talent: Graceful Guile (Passive) – Feint has 1 additional charge.
generic
tbh wanted something personal
potent pivot
i'm not on ptr atm, i'll check if they are updated on wowhead's ptr trees
jolly sierra
like sub getting more healing
sour charm
Why worry about surviving if you you kill them
jolly sierra
Why worry about surviving if you you kill them
cuz i dont wanna be a glass cannon anymore
sour charm
Assa looks really strong from an offensive standpoint.
But then Sub gets AoE kidney which seems like a massive issue in the making
sour charm
cuz i dont wanna be a glass cannon anymore
(I was joking)
jolly sierra
aasa was fine already in dmg
potent pivot
rogue set btw?
visual flume
Is it me or does this look bad? am I trolling?
halcyon timber
Kinda neat and its not like it doesnr have a curse on it
sour charm
rogue set btw?
this looks like a weird mix of Nyalotha and Nathria
(Hunter nathria since the mask)
languid ravine
rogue set btw?
I loves it (not the mask though)
sour charm
also about assa
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014354006270808144/1149474942308597892/image.png
Apparently Kindsbane is its own button again?
That would explain the DTB nerf since you can pick both now
potent pivot
yeah i have mixed feelings about the helm
halcyon timber
Pumpkin kicker face mask hell yeh
languid ravine
its trying to be a horror clown samurai helmet
jolly sierra
rogue set btw?
that fkn color for helm looks totally out of place
karmic finch
Omg as sub we can talent brew macab and vanish cdr altogether
This is disgusting lol
spring bough
is that the elite color or just one of the dungeon colors?
jolly sierra
also about assa
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014354006270808144/11494...
alright that is op af
changed my mind
halcyon timber
Yeh
sour charm
DBT 30% less poison application
depending on how its calced
could just fuck it over
jolly sierra
that is fair tho
jolly sierra
u can compensate with the 2p talent for procs
jolly sierra
next step: Remove Deathmark
R E M O V E D E A T H M A R K
languid ravine
why you guys hating deathmark 😦
jolly sierra
B R I N G B A C K V E N D E T T A
sour charm
Because everyone just cleanses it
halcyon timber
Remove old donuts from the gas station
languid ravine
remember we now have a solid energy dump with new exsang
wary spire
rogue set btw?
Looks amazing.
spring bough
isnt deathmark just vendetta renamed? lmao
sour charm
also IT DOESNT EVEN LET ME SEE OTHER ROGUES IN STEALTH ANYMORE
WHY DID SUB STEAL THAT NICHE WITH DUEL
jolly sierra
fucking survs and bad interaction with both poisons and accelerated bleeds
sour charm
I WANT TO PRESS VENDETTA AND KILL ANOTHER ROGUE IN THEIR VANISH
That was actually one of my favorite things to do
potent pivot
R E M O V E D E A T H M A R K
gotchu fam, i just dispelled your deathmark. you're welcome.
potent pivot
isnt deathmark just vendetta renamed? lmao
no
halcyon timber
Realz talked about how it could be changed to have the mark and be reapplied again
Gotta take it up with the big man though. I dunno kids.
karmic summit
as sub we can play flag db and macambre am i the only one that sees a issue here?
potent pivot
if it wasn't dispellable i'd be 100% happy with it tbh
idk why they gave us an on GCD 2min AND made it dispellable
aren't we the only dispellable 2min in the game rn?
languid ravine
as sub we can play flag db and macambre am i the only one that sees a issue here...
what? I heard you sub rogues love gimmick one shots
potent pivot
after fire mages cried for years about combust and got it changed
sour charm
Assa is the only class that has basically every single one of its CD be bound to a single target
karmic summit
what? I heard you sub rogues love gimmick one shots
i am not sure if i am a sub main yet
jolly sierra
gotchu fam, i just dispelled your deathmark. you're welcome.
REEEEEEEE
sour charm
Really makes no sense that they are also easily removed ontop of that
karmic summit
this is too much buttons for my brain
wary spire
nothing to survive more for assa
I mean we can try going for sd that has that heal. 
sour charm
And the heal still does less than for Sub since we dont have two SD, no double vanish, no cdr on vanish
jolly sierra
I mean we can try going for sd that has that heal. <:starege:923197272064426075>
was it already updated?
sour charm
and dont have a shield on vanish, if you even click that on sub
jolly sierra
send me a link chad, i wanna test it now
wary spire
I'm in ptr
jolly sierra
lemme check
languid ravine
did death mark always duplicate lethal poisons?
languid ravine
the more you know
sour charm
Like the effect, not just the damage
wary spire
Wonder how sudden demise and deathmark work together.
sour charm
If all the bleed dmg boost work on sudden demise its going to hit extremely hard if you have long duration bleeds going
wise breach
So is Crippling Chains of Ice now? 
sour charm
On use Exang, Deathmark, Arterial Precision, Zoldyk
wary spire
Bonespike is a bleed, right?
wise breach
Yes
wise breach
Lmao
sour charm
https://i.imgur.com/NhNCnRB.png
Could play something like this for a demise build
languid ravine
I wonder how Sudden demise is gonna work in pvp
wary spire
Almost 1 for 1 what i cooked up lol
languid ravine
how did they handle monks touch of death?
spring bough
they have the new talent trees out already??
wary spire
sour charm
Cut to the chase feels very so-so
languid ravine
I feel like if either and or Zoldyck and Sudden demise are too strong they are autolock
sour charm
if you dont get uptime because the matchup makes you run
it feels bad
good when you can sit on someone tho
wary spire
I like how it feels so i'm testing that one out for now
sour charm
If Demise actually works properly in PvP I don't see how you could not pick it
languid ravine
would say the same about Indiscarnage
sour charm
Okay, maybe if DBT + Kingsbane is just absurd and gives you enough pressure that you dont need demise to kill
languid ravine
auto empowered garrote on every enemy player kek
wise breach
Man what's with some of this stuff now being choice nodes
Like Elaborate Planning and Cut to the Chase
stoic spruce
trying the new trees in PTR and I swear its like "I can just... have these talents and complete my build?"
languid ravine
I dont like it but, but choosing between elaborate planning and cut to the chase makes sense to me
jolly sierra
if the guy fkn explodes w that new bleed talent then should be crazy af
sour charm
I honestly feel like Iron Stomach and Nimble Fingers are the biggest bait talents
(unless you play with a lock)
sour charm
click featherfoot????
jolly sierra
why so
languid ravine
giga sprint always
jolly sierra
i just wanna run for a while
languid ravine
that talent is locked forever best in slot mvp every round
wise breach
I'm struggling to see any significant difference for assa in PvP with these trees to be perfectly honest
sour charm
well
it should have more killpressure
and still die instantly
Not exactly what assa players asked for
more viable? Probably
More fun? Ehhh
jolly sierra
unless it removes my movement restrictions im not picking that new sprint talent
languid ravine
PTR started one hour ago and it is already over
wary spire
I honestly feel like Iron Stomach and Nimble Fingers are the biggest bait talent...
I feel like subterfuge on assa is an even bigger bait.
languid ravine
time to go home everyone
jolly sierra
dude the only thing i wanted was more survivality i was fine w the dmg
sour charm
I feel like subterfuge on assa is an even bigger bait.
I am not joining a single shuffle without subterfuge
wise breach
I think I need to move away from DTB and try some other builds
stoic spruce
killing spree is amazing
wary spire
You wanna cast those juicy garrotes!
sour charm
I also want to be able to cheapshot peel if I have to
languid ravine
whoever made Killing spree into a finisher is a genius
jolly sierra
im not taking off my deadly poison
wise breach
You don't need Subterfuge for multiple Garrotes, it's strictly for Cheap Shot
wary spire
That's my point!
jolly sierra
yep
sour charm
Its also so you don't get fucked over if your teammate runs ontop of you
wise breach
But yeah, for cheap shot peels it's nice
jolly sierra
its for múltiple cheap shots
sour charm
which happens way to often for me to spec out of it
stoic spruce
whoever made Killing spree into a finisher is a genius
I cant remember the last time a button on anything has felt this good to press
languid ravine
try frost mage glacial spike :^D
wary spire
With double feint not taking nimble fingers feels like a waste.
sour charm
im not taking off my deadly poison
Just keep deadly poison and run Hemotoxin
languid ravine
I truly doubt you want to ever press feint as assa, especially now with new exsang and -4% versatility
jolly sierra
Just keep deadly poison and run Hemotoxin
with the cloak of shadows pvp talent being so juicy? no way
wise breach
I was hoping to see Elusiveness unnerfed
jolly sierra
same
sour charm
Run Cloak, Toxin and have the 3rd spot be flex
jolly sierra
but 2 feints are fine too
sour charm
Between Disarm, Bomb and DFA I guess
wary spire
I was hoping for maneuverability to be back.
jolly sierra
if those are each 15s
wary spire
But there's still pvp changes that are not here.
sour charm
Like I agree with you, I'd rather not run Hemotoxing
wise breach
I would love some dev insight on what in the world they were thinking when they changed Maneuverability
sour charm
But the option is there for a non DTB build
sour charm
I would love some dev insight on what in the world they were thinking when they ...
"Rets wont get the mobility of rogues don't worry"
"And to make sure we also removed rogues mobility"
jolly sierra
But the option is there for a non DTB build
the only way to confirm which one is the most viable build is waiting for season starting
sour charm
If anything that shit shoulda been made baseline and not removed
wise breach
Mind Numbing has been kind of neutered after 50 nerfs in S1, so DTB is really mainly for Deadly damage, and maybe we can get more value from other talents
sour charm
Well in theory there is still no real reason to play Assa over Sub unless it does stupid amounts of damage
stoic spruce
Crackshot is bugged
jolly sierra
sour charm
I still think Deadly should be a passive that applies to all Lethal Poisons
But thats more of a general assa thing, not pvp specific I guess
languid ravine
kinda love this, next tier is really doubling down on energy dumping
spring bough
havent found a way for the rogue tree to be able to take 2/2 vigor, 2/2 lethality, dance, and deeper. feel like gotta give up on lethality with this new stuff lol
jolly sierra
kinda love this, next tier is really doubling down on energy dumping
yep, seems like tier is made taking in consideration the tree revamp
sounds very nice w exsang
and the 100 energy
stoic spruce
what builds are yall testing?
sour charm
reminder: Exsang says "consume" energy and the set bonus says "spend"
Not saying it doesn't work
jolly sierra
nothing, im sitting in a chair
sour charm
But it could be coded differentl and thus not count
languid ravine
yea they are counter synergistic the way they are worded
jolly sierra
cuz i just come back home
languid ravine
but you might be able to pool or generate enough to have two set and exsang happen at the same time
languid ravine
like you can use thistle charges to make more concentrated damage windows
instead of just keeping the engine warm
sour charm
Assa in general seems all about energy management now
Even more so than it was before
stoic spruce
theres so much to go through
halcyon timber
Good
jolly sierra
well was the most energy efficient spec across all rogues anyways
spring bough
do yall think subterfuge and underhanded would synergize? so 6 seconds worth of stealth abilities after or nah?
halcyon timber
Test it out brooo
languid ravine
it was probably made with subterfuge in mind
spring bough
feel like subterfuge is worthless if it wont do it
sour charm
I worry that Passive Exsang and Passive Indiscriminate will promote a "tripple garrote/rupture and run" playstyle
stoic spruce
do yall think subterfuge and underhanded would synergize? so 6 seconds worth of ...
it stacks?
wary spire
Wonder if blackjack's still bugged.
halcyon timber
Probably
jolly sierra
im dropping that shitty tier set once per all
spring bough
it stacks?
i dont know. im wondering if it does. cause if it doesnt subterfuge is worthless if u take underhanded
wary spire
Also i thought tea was supposed to be changed?
sour charm
Still the 1st round of changes
analog crater
new elite set
halcyon timber
Tea needs to be nerfed on the 3 charges ish
sour charm
I am sure Realz is going to come around and do more work
jolly sierra
are u sure isnt the final build?
sour charm
new elite set
THAT is the elite color?
analog crater
conq set
halcyon timber
Prob not man
spring bough
that new sets mask needs an entire rework lmfaoooo
halcyon timber
Tis the first iteration and realz said more stuff is worked on
jolly sierra
is that the elite color?
tender ferry
Why are they incapable of giving us a simple yet stylish black armor set without making us look like the fucking Shredder from TMNT?
jolly sierra
is fucking shit
halcyon timber
Its scarecrow from batman
spring bough
black on black set w some black smoke coming off it would be a nice rogue color lol
analog crater
you guys want me to post the pve colors?
sour charm
Let me guess the HC color is black/red again
jolly sierra
god dammit im not using that shit once i reach 1k8
analog crater
Mythic
halcyon timber
That’s cool looking
analog crater
herioc
halcyon timber
The milkshake grape color
spring bough
forever on my shredder set now with the TFs rocking shadow flame illusion. never changing that set lol
sour charm
well might as well just do PvE for the better set kek
analog crater
normal
languid ravine
those legs are gonna be BIS for a shitton of mogs
analog crater
RF
jolly sierra
alright im using the s2 elite set for this season
sour charm
I still think Deathmantle did it better
sour charm
Looked more like proper leather
jolly sierra
with the TP daggers and primal storm
analog crater
close up of the face for you guys
languid ravine
Colouration on most of these versions kinda suck though 😦
jolly sierra
its very unfitting for the rest of the set
spring bough
it looks like a msk from a MOP dungeon or raid lmfao
jolly sierra
the color i say
analog crater
personally the normal is my favorite
dont get enough cool sets with orange in em
oh fuck man
i might be rockin the honor set
sour charm
Mythic would look cooler with a black mask
halcyon timber
At least it isnt dk nose mask
sour charm
THe mask REALLY stands out
analog crater
jolly sierra
they shit looks better
languid ravine
whoahowoaowohaoa guys
jolly sierra
lol
sour charm
Talents are SOLVED
Assa is NERFED
It is officially OVER
Jokes aside, I need some sleep
halcyon timber
Sleep well man
sour charm
Hopefully Real throws Assa something for survivability
languid ravine
no sleep, you must play PTR for 20 hours a day
queue arena all day and keep dying on that assa rogue
sour charm
No I need to continue my second run of Baldurs Gate tomorrow
halcyon timber
2 feints is nice
jolly sierra
keep dying with fkn assa kek
halcyon timber
Any changes to vial boys?
sour charm
yeah but 2 feint is not assa exclusive
halcyon timber
Im outside hitting a dart
jolly sierra
or give cheat death too with elusiveness choice for assa tree
halcyon timber
What got split up ?
jolly sierra
no, are the same 2 choices
halcyon timber
New sprint stuff
wary spire
Honestly maybe new maneuv and new sprint talent can work togetha.
languid ravine
or give cheat death too with elusiveness choice for assa tree
you could do stuff like: give BOTH effects in the same talent, but you can pick if between strong cheat death and weak feint, or vice versa
honestly I d prefer them to be separate talents though
if feint has to be this weak anyways
jolly sierra
same
languid ravine
and I ll still be spending two talent points and maybe have a mediocre pathing
jolly sierra
im pretty disappointed w assa tbh
spring bough
is it worth spamming 16s this weekend to make 2 primal weps for the embelish or just stick with reg pvp weps?
havent been on the rogue in a month heard they are pretty decent
potent pivot
are u sure isnt the final build?
yes
this isn't the final build
they want feedback on it
sour charm
My feedback is that Assa looks great offensively but will still die to every other melee in the game
jolly sierra
that is it
potent pivot
time to spit on assa tree to get some ways to survive
sour charm
Also please don't make passive exsang viable
potent pivot
just pillar bettar